Boss Analysis # 36
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2024
- The thirty-sixth episode of Boss Analysis.
Battles against a clone of the main character(s) is perhaps the easiest idea for a tough opponent you can think of; what better foe than an evil version of yourself? But hey, it's a common theme in video games for a reason, it nearly always leads to intense boss battles.
How will you fare against your own powers? How well does the A.I utilize yourself, and should you be worried if it can be you better than yourself? It's (nearly) always an exhilarating experience.
Why, just one of these bosses is the main feature for today's episode of Boss Analysis...
You know what Megaman should get by killing a copy of him ? An extra life.
DarkOrderSolDjango nah he just killed himself an extra life
Decapitate Him!
Flick his head off, instant 1-UP.
But they changed 1-UPs to look like hearts in Powered Up, so he would have to do a Mortal Kombat fatality move on Copy Robot to get one in Powered Up
@Roman Davis STFU BOT. I AM REPORTING YOU
talk about copy gimmicks all you want, i'm more impressed by the fact they put unique dialogue for all copy robot vs all robot masters scenarios
edit: also, that hd renditon of the boss theme is pretty epic
Cutman vs yellow devil has the best dialogue easily, it’s absolutely hilarious
4:48 - His jump is random seeded, and fun fact, the AI actually jumps to Elec Man's "react to player shots" code to do the jump.
That would be because Clone Mega Man's AI is almost exactly the same as Elec Man's. Leave Elec Man alone in a flat room and he does the exact same thing. The only reason Elec Man is more exploitable is that his attack has a wind-up, so if you shoot just before he fires you can trap him in a loop much more easily.
@@DoctorNovakaineAnd this is all because the devs were literally running out of the 128 KB they had for NES cartridge space of the time. No wonder there were only six Robot Masters.
Honestly, can I just say that whole concept of "boss reversal" is a cool idea? Like, the idea of playing as the "good" version of a villain, and fighting the "evil" former player is just so weird. Most games don't even come close to sticking to that idea as well as that remake of Mega Man does.
It'd be like if the Zombotany mode from Plants VS Zombies was won not by planting plants to fight off plant-headed zombies, but planting zombies made of plant material to eat the plant-headed zombies. (Like Zoybean Pod in the 2nd game.)
or maybe if the player character was the bad person all along, who ended up condemning the rest of humanity by their actions, and the zombified humans wanted to get their revenge? i imagine it'd be pretty neat, needing to get past that person with limited resources of your own
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Ah, Powered Up, if only you weren't exclusive to the Playstation Portable, maybe it would have garnered more attention and success...
Mega Man 11 does kick ass, so at least the series ain't dead.
Fortunately, you can still download stuff for Powered Up. You might need to get rid of your Wi-fi password for the time being as the PSP will most likely not be able get through current password encryption.
i like mega man 11, but even when i change the controls i suck at it
If it ever gets added to Switch I’m instantly buying it
So good that i bought an PSP few days ago...
Just so you know, Proto Man says "Sorry, It had to be" when he wins, making him edgy-ish but as I know and love him, I am aware of the pain he goes through.
Glad you showed up Powered up Git,its The True megaman 1 to me : D
What?,its My Opinion You Trio of Fools!
I think we were starting a comment chain lol.
But I agree with you, any other megaman game that tries what Powered Up tried wouldn't get anywhere, Powered Up felt like an actual recreation of MM1 while games like Legacy Collection just brings the original back.
@@Retr0_ADHD well I think Powered up is a Completed REMASTER of The Original Megaman,Completed with The Ability to play As the Robot masters and such(cant forget Roll And Blues/Protoman,the DLC's)
@@charaznableplays2110 And they add two more bosses, which you can also play as, plus the level editor. And the level editor let's you make some fun levels, so instead of having to play with the same levels you can make some fun exclusive levels with said robot masters and get into some interesting things. This is just a remaster, it's a remaster made well. And you know when you have those you're in for a treat!
@@Retr0_ADHD sadly i dont have the DLC's ;-;,my only remaining Unlockable Robot master is Gutsman,AND I HATE HIS DAMN STAGE!
Powered Up had a ton of great ideas, it’s a shame that there weren’t any more of them. I would have loved to play as Metal Man or Snake Man.
I'd go all in for Air Man, Gemini Man, Skull Man (Rock's Skull Barrier was underwhelming, but the one skull had in the actual boss fight was ridiculously good), Gyro Man or Napalm Man, Knight Man or Tomahawk Man, Slash Man or Junk Man...heh. There's a few I think could make cool and fun playables, if they followed the Powered Up Formula.
> The was made for the PSP specifically because there weren't any MM games on it
> Capcom cancels Powered Up 2 because the first didn't sell well because it was on the PSP...
You may want to check out the Day in the Limelight fangames. The first one lets you play as the MM1 bosses and is...interesting but very flawed. The second one lets you play as MM2 bosses, and is much, much better.
Lpoeser I’ve heard of those. They seem interesting, though I can’t currently access them.
@@Lpoeser Or Rock Force. Once you rescue them, you can play as Elec Man, Bomb Man, Cut Man, Fire Man, Dive Man, Knight Man, Tornado Man, or my favorite, Nitro Man.
Imagine if Copy Robot was a literal mirror match
There would be no AI behind him. *His AI is literally your controls in reverse.*
How would you win? Crash N Trance on the GBA did a fight like that though the timing on each side was different
That means when you shoot him, he shoots you, and when you jump to evade he would too. The only way to hurt him would be to take damage yourself. That would literally be impossible.
That's happened a few times in puzzle games. You kill the boss by making him/her stand in specific places, or just one specific place.
Tomb Raider comes to mind.
It would be posible if the terrain wasn't flat, or if there was a pit.
If the terrain was constantly changing it would be possible
Funny enough that the joke character has the hardest copy fight compare to proto man
@[WUT] Fursey Rain Fidel rovk
@@shaymin491 roll (btw you misspelled) isn't "Joke" Character.
1:30 It's even easier to admire the greatness of Mega Man when he's in the hands of TASbot.
8:31 The pause trick works for every weapon. It'll help.
Protoman says "Sorry. It had to be."
"Do not say... this is the way it has to be..."
Loathes: Thieves
Is: A Thief
So he loathes himself? xD
"But I guess being a copy of you would make me the biggest cheat of them all, right?!"
I think he has some issues with himself.
Yes he does hate himself. He hates himself so much, he's going to fight himself in a death match. Or as the video says, he's going to f*ck himself up.
Copy Robot's going through some shit.
"Easy Egypt"
Remember King Sandybutt?
Surprised you didn't show off the Copy Robot in MM3, because as we all know it's just as cool as the original and definitely not awkward and rushed
This is my favorite video you've made in a while. Seeing a seemingly unpredictable boss be broken down into a series of patterns was really interesting.
Technically, it should be impossible for Mega Man to beat Copy Mega Man. Robots are programmed to do a particular thing, and Mega Man is (re)programmed to fight enemies. Thus, Copy Mega Man, being an exact replica, has the same ambition, to attack enemies, in his case Mega Man. This means that both Mega Man and Copy Mega Man are going to attempt destroy each other with the exact same battle strategy, which would normally end in a stalemate since they are perfectly matched. However, the Mega Man Legacy Collection details that Copy Mega Man has “twice the firepower of the original”. This means, since Copy is a better fighter than Mega Man, he will always win.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk
a possible inuniverse explanation would be that wily didnt manage to copy his ability to adapt to his enemys. that way,copy robot would literally the same as megaman is at the start of the fight. but in the process of the fight,megaman can learn how to fight himself while copyrobot just kinda cant. at least that is my best guess
A metal man ditto match would probably go like this:
Whoever hits eachother twice first wins
Not if we're playing in Hard Mode
Then it will be the One Hit Wonder Matchup
@@endermage77 hardmode is twice, normal is once
@@endermage77 The player can only sustain 1 hit, while the opponent can survive 2.
It would be like a duel at high noon - whoever shoots, or in this case throws, quicker, wins.
Just a typical game of Bushido Blade.
Just realized that Copy Robot's theme from the original gets remixed in the remake!
I wasn't sure at first, until I listened closely.
That's actually Wily Castle Boss theme. And all MM1 music is remixed... If for better or worse? That's opinionial. I think bosses music are better then stage ones.
19:55 Guys look, it's *Mega* without the *Man!*
Struggle Monster also know as Rock
This is such a good video. It is about my favourite game of all time, and, actually taught me something I didn't know! Like, seriously. I played the shit out of this game when I was younger. Got a 90% with something, then the save got corrupted. Was pretty bummed out after that. Did not complete the game with only a few characters (GutsMan being one of them, because, you know)
You just earned a sub.
And now I want to see a boss analysis of other dark heroes, basically dark characters of yourself that use your skills against you.
Dimitri is a fantastic copy cat, but what about the other characters that use the skills and powers you have?
What about a certain boss from the Megaman Zero series?
I wont spoil the story, but the stage your in and the fight is brilliant it's another boss that has your skills, strength, and power, and uses them against you
SA-X?
Never knew about that Poweredup edition, i'm surprised at how much effort the put into making all those characters playable.
this one needs to be i my collection! oh and BTW, Garbage Day?
21:05 *w o o a h*
Ah, good ol’ Copy Robot. _The one who was actually given more of an actual character in Powered Up as a narcissistic jerk._ He’s no Metal Sonic, but he still has a lot of points of interest.
In the Archie's comic, the robot masters defeat the fake Megaman and they say "We were programed to destroy a Megaman, Wily didn't say which one". XD
Yeah, that was pretty funny. :D
Anyone else find it weird that Roll has a crush on someone that can technically be considered her brother?
Mega Man confirmed takes place in Alabama
The Roll from Legends did the same, except Volnutt was adopted instead
SWEET HOME ALABAMA
@@Ale-do2zr I mean, Roll (or her equivalent) in any Mega Man media is pretty much guaranteed to have feelings for the blue bomber. To note, only the ZX series really subverts it, by virtue of not having a Roll equivalent. The X series also does to a lesser extent by having the Roll equivalent pine for Zero, not X.
Classic has Roll (obviously).
Zero has Iris in the X series and Ciel in the Zero series.
Volnutt has Roll Casket (Roll #2).
MegaMan.EXE has Roll.EXE (Roll #3).
Geo Stelar has Sonia Strumm.
( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Ah yes, I couldn't beat the original Mega Man due to the clone boss. All I was told was that the fire weapon would help, but he was still difficult even then. Thanks for showing me what else I should have known. Maybe I'll go back and finish it once and for all.
Edit: I think Protoman says "sorry, it had to be done."
When Smeargle learns Transform from a ditto...
"I am a shadow, the TRUE self!"
Yes.
I wonder if they’ll ever make a sequel to Powered Up. It would be fun watching Quickman speedruns. Oh and now that you’re covering Megaman again Git, when are you going to cover that Sigma stage that you mentioned in your old Quickman video? I haven’t forgotten >:D
It didn't sell well, so, sadly there isn't going to be a sequel. I am so sad because of this.
i just hope they port it to the switch eventually.
What will Lub Lub’s inspirational words be?
The Robot Master battle theme from Powered Up is probably one of the best standard boss themes in the series (in a series known for some great boss themes).
1:07 One of best ones has to be in my opinion vs omega zero (both mmz3 and ZX)
Agreed
I'm glad to see when someone talks about powered up, wish I did better, maybe we could have seen the others remade like it too where you could play the other robot masters
Have to admit, you fooled me with the thumbnail Haha. Looked a bit similar to a character from a game you don't like lol
Which one?
@@junichiroyamashita Sans
I honestly thought it was from Mighty No. 9.
Also, why did you think it was from Undertale? The thumbnail clearly shows a 3D character.
@@qty1315 couldve been fanart or something lol
Casually glossing over the robot incest, are we? :D
The Mega fight looks like it would've driven me nuts! Cudos for figuring it out! Also even going over to powered up was a nice unexpected touch!
Yellow Devil was easier in the chibi remake. I still can't beat OG YD.
Elec Man+pause trick.
Bumo bumomomo bumo!
I disagree. In Powered Up you're given an extremely small space to dodge the blocks, much smaller then what you had to work with on the old NES game. The only saving grace with PU Yellow Devil was that the blocks come in a consistent pattern (one pattern for Normal, another for Hard, he doesn't even do the 'break apart' shtick on Easy). I had to rely on my memorization to beat Yellow Devil in Hard in PU.
@@Scuttlest He comes in a consistent pattern in the original, too.
17:20 'You're not me!'
Reminds me of a mission in City of Heroes where you must fight several clones of your character. The Old Republic also had a boss that created droid duplicates to fight you, but sadly they only copied basic class abilities and weapons, not appearance. Back in Castlevania land, Portrait of Ruin had the final bonus boss be 2 Doppelgangers of Charlotte and Jonathan, who could mimic any attack except for your Dual Crashes. Like Dimitri before them they're not hard, but interesting- I wish that battle had some dialogue between evil Jonathan/Charlotte and the heroes. Long before that, Castlevania 3 had a Doppelganger who is very difficult without exploiting by constantly switching partners, since once again they hit 4 times as hard as you do.
Hey! I remember this game!
It's actually my very first Megaman game!...Don't judge me on that, it's actually pretty good.
Especially for that Level Editor Mode. That thing was the ''Mario Maker'' of my PSP.
There are several other instances of clone battles in Megaman, what with Dark Megaman in the Battle Network series and of course Omega Zero in Zero 3. Perhaps you should cover those sometime.
14:34 You happy, Undertale fanboys?
No, because that little flame with eyes got doused and died and then exploded so it's not really pacfist :'(
I think there are 3 main aspects when trying to gauge how difficult is an oponnent in a game: power (how hard he hits and how much he can take) skill (how often he hits and how hard it is to hit him) and strategy (how unpredictable, hard to fool, hard to adapt, adaptable and versatile he is) most bosses are superior to the player character in the power aspect, this boss is superior to the player in power, and about the same in skill, however he is not too bright being predictable, easy to fool and adapt, and while he is versatile he doesnt take full advantage of it.
It must be weird seeing yourself die by your hands.
The copy robot would've probably been harder to program on the NES if it DIDN'T copy whatever weapon you were using. as it is, he's likely more of a copy-paste than you may think. Odds are even the code sees this fight as the same entity fighting itself, and both are affected by most of the code equally as a result. (hence him being unable to shoot if you're out of ammo. He uses your ammo pool and simply doesn't reduce it). If the devs wanted him to only ever use the mega buster, they'd probably have to jump through a lot of pointless hoops, making a whole new entity that simply looks the same. All things considered, this boss could've probably been used to make a two player mode if the console could handle it.
Curious where Evil Megaman got his scarf from. I remember Copy Robot wears it in the Archie Comics series.
Because this "Evil MM" is Copy Robot.
Fighting the Fiend Hayabusa clones in Ninja Gaiden Black was always a blast, they'd use unusual combo strings and projectiles everywhere.
I think you might be interested in the final boss's first form from Mega Man X8.
That Copy Roll sounded like a pre shadow battle speech in Persona 4.
I'm pretty sure the evil Mega Man you fight when playing as one of the 8 boss Robot Masters is not a clone, but a reprogrammed original Rock/Mega Man. He was taken by Dr. Wily instead of the Robot Master you're playing as.
No. Its Copy Robot. He confirms it few times. (also Those clones in PU are in my opinion "Holo-clones" not Copy Robot. Copy Robot is the "On the scene >:)" one
I knew exactly who this was by the thumbnail
Who now?
@@rottenstinkyegg the copy robot from mega man
i thought that the thumbnail was a shadow of casper but i was wrong
What
@@vidyabatter you ever seen casper, like the ghost??
And I as a longtime megaman fan just instantly recognized it as copy robot
Saints Row 4 has a level where you fight an evil version of yourself.
How do you still make vids after 12 years and only got 129K subs? That's some bs. You deserve a lot more popularity and credit cause you work really hard.
Finally a mega man video.
*its been entire days.*
Nothing better than puting an _Doppelgänger_ on a game ( animes, movies... etc... ).
17:14 Oh, you go back to Alabama where you came from!
I mean... they're robots. There's no technical genetic relation. And no one batted an eye on Ice Man's crush on her in the Archie comics, despite also being made by Dr. Light
I dont get it. Please explain
@@lazykirby57 Megaman and Roll are both made by the same creator, Dr. Light
Alabama is memed for incest
I have played a lot of times Megaman 1 and I didn't even knew one of those strategies against Copy Megaman
I really like this kind of bosses as well.
This reminds me Valukar in Golden Sun 2.
If you trap them in with guts man's blocks you can still hurt them. Make a 4th block and attack them on the side where the block on top isn't covering. Rinse and repeat
1987? the progress from the late 80s to the late 90s in games is cool as shit
16:43 The main reason I wished there was a Powered Up 2.
Blame Capcom deciding to make this a PSP game that not many people played on.
You know, it would be cool if they brought back the cloned Megaman but instead of like copying the same ability, the clone would use an ability that is the weakness to the one your using and you would take more damage due to that.
Believe it or not, mega man: powered up is my first played mega man game. I’m glad you used it as an example.
Illusion Alius from Rabi-ribi is a pretty fun fight, particularly the 3rd round with her that uses way more moves and magic types.
Hm? ( 0_0)!
...
Lub Lub i'm not angered, I'm relaxing right now.
eh? don't look at me that way.
1:07 cough dark link cough
Imagine a 'copy kirby' boss who can use any ability that normal kirby has at will.
Copy robot: hates thieves
Copy robot: is a thief himself
.... BrUh
Has anyone with Super Arm ever thought of PUNCHING?
Evidently not.
Except when megaman came into smash bros he uses the super arm as his grab, there’s also the arcade which he chucks boulders.
I know a game where clones of the main character are evil.
In Yu-Gi-Oh Stardust Accelerator you get to face four clones and that's the hardest part of the game and one of the hardest in the entire franchise, because...
1) It's a Survival Duel, you have to face four opponents in a row without changing decks, saving the game and with 8000 LP for the four duels.
2) Your LP will carry over to the next duel, but no more than 10000 LP.
3) At least two of the clones are insanely hard. The first has a Zombie World deck, but at that point of the game, you already dealt with Zombie decks a few times, so it isn't ridiculous. The second clone has an Ice Barrier deck, so he's a pushover as long as he doesn't get at least two main deck monsters or the Synchro monsters. The last two opponents... Hoo boy! The third runs a Lightsworn deck and the last one has a Tele-DAD deck, which are the best decks you could use at that time.
The fangame Touhou Puppet Dance Performance does the 'copy the player' gimmick in a Pokemon-esque RPG of all things.
One particular battle in that game, Satori Komeiji (whose ability is to read minds) creates a near-flawless replication of your team. Exact same moves, exact same items, exact same levels, exact same costumes. Only difference is their OTs.
“Longs to fuck himself up”
You may know everything I'm going to do, but that's not going to help you since I know everything you're going to do! *_Strange, isn't it?!_*
Skimming through the video bar while watching it, I'm surprised that you didn't mention anything about the copy robot in 3.
3:58 actually someone did that as a fangame I think. Can’t remember what it was called but it was a FPS for some strange reason...
oh the mega man doom ver game
the king has posted. all heil
7:57 i just love how the music beeps when pausing a lot
Ah, good to see another boss analysis. And a Mega Man related one at that!
Anyone notice how the pattern with Copy ProtoMan in Powered Up is similar to "BreakMan" (who is really just ProtoMan wearing a slightly different helmet) in Mega Man 3? (The only real difference is that Mega Man 3 didn't have the charge shot...)
19:47 "Sorry, it had to be"
Proto Man said "Sorry, it had to be."
Isn't Powered Up!Copy Robot just doing the charge attack because you're playing as Megaman C? If you play as regular Megaman, he acts the same, I thought.
Fireman voice remembered me of boomstick from death battle
You should cover epic battle fantasy 4 and 5s evil character variants. Be warned they are perhaps the hardest enemies in the game
Awesome
Well a Metal man ditto fight, would be pretty much metal blade spam but would last like... 5 seconds... Why is he even weak to his weapon again?
Maybe a joke, maybe a programmer error, who knows.
I think it would be really cool that if you use a single weapon for too long they’ll switch to the one that has the advantage and will deal extra damage to YOU instead.
I just have one question....
Who is this Lub Lub
(Ha you thought)
And what about the fight in Classic Mode of Powered Up?
Good to see mega man in a video again
I feel doppelganger from castlevania 3 will get featured
Proto Man versus Copy Proto Man. Who else is red with a bit of yellow and has to basically kick his own ass?
Hmmmh...
That megaman battle is basically dropkick
I love this channel
Copy mega man is probably weak against spikes.
1:00 Longs to fuck himself... up. I just burst in laughter
Wait, I thought Guts was broken in Powered Up? Doesn't throwing a guts block at a wall make it split up into shrapnel that flies through walls?
i am the only one who hates wily stage 2 from the original megaman because some ******* puts a reskin of the floor of ice man's stage? i fell every single time because i slipped, i hate it more than the boss actually