As a previous boat mechanic I can attest that 3M 5200 is just as good as bolting, we would use that stuff on the underwater gear on like mastercrafts And we would literally have to take a sledgehammer to get it to break loose and sometimes it would even break gel coat and fiber glass instead of the 5200
Love the video. Informative funny to the point. Appreciate the feedback I learned a bit watching and I feel like with my limited experience in physics I trust your input. I just want to say i feel like putting foam in the pods would be best. Why not automatically displace water? At maybe 10lbs I think the weight of the foam is worth never having water inside the pod. A failsafe. Especially with not welding but = importance. Just my 2 cents. Love the video keep em coming! I'm never opposed to saving time and money thanks again! ( been day drinking n idc :p)
I do have to give you the credit for my even finding out about these things. I didn't even know they existed until I saw one of your videos. I immediately ordered the medium size pair from Backwater, Inc out of Minnesota and installed them on my 1989 Landau 'Sport 10' 17ft aluminum bass boat with 40 hp Evinrude. Mine were beautifully built and expertly welded with something like 10 gauge marine aluminum and were perfectly air tight. I mounted them just like you have yours on your boat, basically the design of the pods is already there and I just mounted them down to the bottom at the transom and out to the edge of the hull. It was as if they were made for my boat. I agonized about how to secure them because I didn't want to spoil the integrity of the airtightness of the pods, nor did I want to risk burning through my hull welding them on. The hull thickness at the transom is about 16 gauge I'm guessing. So I thought and thought, and decided to order two locking watertight deck hatches that were about the right size to fit the tops of the pods, cut the tops out of the pods and through bolted them through the transom using 5/16'" stainless steel bolts with flat washers, fender washers and nyloc nuts, all stainless steel. I also used the two pieces that were left over from the cutouts on the tops of the pods to make two backing plates inside the transom that are shaped to fit the little bit of deadrise that the hull has. Also, like you, I used a generous beading of 5200 around all the through bolts and the perimeter of the pods, like two passes and then used the rest of it to run a line of "caulk" across the tops of the pods. Maybe a little bit of overkill, but they are absolutely bonded and fixed to the hull. The flotation they provide at the very aft end of the boat and to the outside of the boat has made a completely different boat out of mine. Even with the weight of the motor, fuel tanks, battery, oil reservoir and everything including people at the back of the boat, the flotation is unbelievable. I will say that at rest, the pods are practically underwater or flush with the surface of the water. The boat is also very much more stable in roll, both at rest and at speed. I consider this modification to be the very best thing I ever did to the boat, and it has made the boat much safer and more enjoyable to use. No penalty in performance, maybe even a little better in getting up to plane and yet my tilt/trim is still very effective. I sealed the hatches very well and they don't leak a drop. Best thing I ever did to that little boat.
Good to hear you had a good experience like I did! Hands down one of my favorite mods to my boat. I considered going the same route you did and bolting them on, but I figured ya only live once, might as well try something different.
I have a metal boat that my father made 37 years ago. He has never worked with a welding machine and grinder before, he is an industrial designer. I have been in metalworking for 15 years and I want to make a new aluminum boat and these videos of yours are of great use to me.
This is the last time I watch your videos while trying to put the kids to sleep! Number Yellow busted me up and I woke up the boy! Thank you for the info on the pods. I’ve been debating getting them.
LMAO... At least I didn't do myth number lamp! Then you may have been crying and laughing. Thanks for checking out the video bud! Get them pods, I love mine!
Thanks for another good video. Certainly one of ne favorite channels and while I'm not ready to as deep down the Jon boat rabbit hole as you are (yet), these are definitely helping my ideas of what I want evolve!
Thanks Jesse... It is becoming an addiction, I have so many wild ideas and plans for the channel, now I just need more time to do boat stuff and not work as much!
Great product. I upgraded from a 30lbs minn kota on my canoe and I am more than happy with the purchase. I have been using it all summer long and it hasn’t let me down once.
I worked in the Boating industry. We built a 48-foot, open cockpit, offshore fishing boat. It had a composite sandwich boat hull. We then lifted the Hickory veneered plywood laminated bulkheads into the boat with a crane. We used 3M 5200 to weld the bulkheads to the inside of the hull. It can fill big gaps and retain structural integrity. It took forever to cure, but it was solid. If we tried to use fiberglass resin it would have thermally reacted out of control and bubbled up. There was so much mass it may have even caught on fire. So we used3M 5200. That stuff is really strong. It worked.
3M 5200 is an incredibly strong adhesive. Boat builders use it to attach the top cap to the hull on boats and to seal and waterproof portholes or hull intrusions. It takes a week to cure, however.
I always knew it was good stuff but never tried anything this drastic with it... now I am a firm believer in 5200. The long sure time does kinda suck but it is worth it.
Panel adhesives are incredibly strong. There are productions cars where some structural components are glued together with these adhesives. With some, the aluminum will fail before the glue does when pulling apart.
Myth buster..got it right !… I actually looked at this concept myself…”but” given my variance in waters and people on boat 1 or 2… I deemed it not worth the trouble…I’m not going there because it’s the only thing some miss the fact that it’s a lot easier to balance the boat properly according to water conditions and people on board…another is bow attitude when you have a lot more floatation at transom it changes approach for the bad in choppy waters…I’d say play with balance first and if you still need it don’t over do it !!! All in all ..good vid 👍🏼
Oh for sure always play with balance first. Only reason I did it is because the eventual motor that is going in this boat is waaaayyyyy to heavy for this boat and I need all the floatation I can get.
GOOD IDEA!!!! That will have to be in the scooter section next time. The accent is natural, I am originally from Louisiana, and I love that guy on TikTok. He cracks me up!
Hello, great video on breaking myths concerning the float pods! I have a very old pre 1972 jon boat,and it had some issues I fixed up with the help of Lowes home improvement store near my home. I used gutter calk to fix pitting holes from electrolysis, rather than weld, due to budget,and time.i used 1in square tube to build my own transom,and storage compartment opening frames with glue and rivet vs. Welding as well. And I watched a Roland martin video,where he added side floatation to his old town canoe.i removed all the foam from front,and back.as it was holding water,and had some leaks inside the sealed seat areas I needed to access to fix. The floats are bass pro bout bouys bolted w 1/4 20 6 inch bolts and flat washers.and the stability is great.as it made the boat wider and more stable. While giving me the floatation back from removing the factory crap spray foam from within the seats.the over all speed was 8 mph w a 3.5 2 stroke Nissan outboard. And averages up to 3 mph w a 30lb thrust minkota tiller. If you have any questions hit me up! Im helpful,and honest about my findings, and will explain in detail the tools,and process to achieve the same .thx for the video it's good!
@@SendItJonBoats just got my boat registered, and titled in Okeechobee. I took it out to Kissimmee river yesterday and got 5 fish, and missed alot of bites. Hard to tell between the sticks,rock and fish w my spin rig. But s good trek up some side canals. Water Temps are 94 degrees, and I seen active tilapia, gar,and 2 gators. I caught 2 small bass,2chicklids,and 1 catfish. I used 1/16 ball head and rattail worm combo. Any color was good enough. Black blue flek,cinnamon red,and natural clears were all good as well! And as you guessed! I sent it...... in the Lil John! 🚣♀️🎣💥👌
Good video! After seeing your install I installed the medium pods on my topper 15. I did it mainly because of adding the 670, although the added weight from the 420 really wasn’t much difference. Still waiting on the cam for the 670. Did a cottonmouth snakeskin paint job. One performance negative with mine is that in a hard turn, it will slide and bulldoze water instead of tilting like usual. You’re absolutely correct about everything.
I bet that 15 scoots along real well with a 670. That is next on the to do list is get a comparison of the 420 speeds versus the 670 speeds on this boat so people can use it as reference when they go looking for a longtail.
@@SendItJonBoats I swapped a 8x4 prop for a 9x6. Only gained about 3 - 4 mph . I tried the 670 with the 8x4, no more speed (still governed). But it jumped, idle to plane in about 10 - 15 yds. It still does that with the 9x6, which makes me think I’ll be able to run a 9.5 x 9 with ease. We will see. I’m going to try it eventually.
Hey man that 3m and aluminum rivet combo works quite well. That's basically how we keep aircraft together lol so why the hell wouldn't it work on a boat. Also makes for easy-ish replacement if you crunch one
There is a spray you can get that breaks down 5200 it's called De-bond. Works pretty good if you can't use a power tool. You can find it in the Kellogg catalog, online or at boat supply store. Have fun.
Just found this video... finally someone who understands how to build with aluminum. I work in the Aircraft Industry. Planes are riveted and epoxied together. Under Destructive testing, the metal tears before the joints... Good Job on your boat.
finally ... someone who tells it like it is !!! great vids!!! keep them rollin'! and for the love of god DON'T stop the bloopers!!! i hope my grammar is up to par as well as my semi quasi cro -magnon grasp of the english language was up to the task of leaving a feeble attempt at a slightly social comment for the haters to make fun of!
LMAO.... Easy with the 5$ words there buddy! I almost had to start googling just to translate the big words LOL. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the bloopers. Many more fun ones coming.
Thanks for checking out the video Tim. Yeah Amazon don't pay crap. I'm lucky if I make 30 or 40 bucks a month off them. Not nearly enough for how much of their products I use. But I am spoiled, I like being able to order stuff and have it in 2 days so I keep using them.
I would weld them on, plug the hole on the bottom, but extend them to the top level with the transom. Connect an aluminum tube inside the boat to both and use as a gas tank.
@@michaelace4739 You also forgot to mention the specific gravity of gasoline is less than water thus providing buoyancy also. But the weight of the aluminum would negate any useful lift. Your jug theory is correct if the plastic is HDPE. It is slightly lighter than water. Denser plastic like PVC does not float. I believe you have missed the point. Any USEFUL buoyancy would be minimal. Ounce or less. The whole purpose is to obtain SUBSTANTIAL lift, 200 pounds or more.
Technically the foam will give you less buoyancy because you’re adding weight. Granted it won’t be perceivable because of the low weight but technically…
I'm running pods on my 12.5 ft boat with an outboard and it works great. Hard to explain how they are made but they are welded and foam filled. I can send you an email about it if you want with specs and pictures. Works great.
Thanks Jeremiah, glad you are enjoying the videos. I got a mountain of backlogged scooter comments for upcoming videos. The more popular the channel becomes, the more scooters show up! I love it!
I put a small set of beavertail pods on an Alumacraft 1032 using 1/4-20 bolts and 3M 5200, mounted even with the bottom of the transom. Ran a short shaft Yamaha 8hp on it and never had any issues with them other than when I decided to add a hydrofoil on the motor. I had to run the motor a bit lower on my diy jack plate. Sold the boat and 7 years later, ole boy I sold it to is still running the same pods, with them same bolts and same beads of 5200. As you say, they do not have to be welded on.
Thanks for the info JB. See I knew I wasn't the only one who had glued them bad boys on the back of a boat! Sounds like yours have really held up well. I think mine will be fine too, they are on there solid!
Slowed my boat down just a bit from 35 to bout 30 miles an hour it’s a 12 foot Lowe’s alum. Boat with a 20 merc 4 stroke and stick steering but put a speed prop on it and have not run it yet but floats very shallow fixed it to fish creeks and to go red fishing down south
First time viewer. That Haters Corner almost had me hitting the subscribe button, but 11:41 put me over the top and I smashed both the subscribe and like buttons :)
Nice video . keep them coming. I will say that i have noticed one BAD side effect from having pods on my duck boat. I have a 2005 smoker craft 1866 with a 115 yamaha with a jet. Previous owner added the pods. When running at high speeds and turning the inside of the run pod lifts the inside corner of the boat and pushes down on the inside corner of the bow. So the boat does not bow rise in the corners but drives the bow down and allows the rear of the boat to slide out of the corner to much. Gets kind of squirrelly and you have to cut the throttle to regain control. It also throws up a lot of spray off the front edge of the bow where it enters the water. With the wind I soaked one of my buddies while making a tight corner. Boat does 30+ with two guys, dog, blind and all our gear.
Wow, seems like some boats have to be set up differently to get them to work right. I do not have any experience with smoker crafts or jets, but that sucks you are having issues.
After seeing these pods I had the same concern. That the pods would definitely affect turning at higher speeds. Just like you said. The pod would interfere with proper banking.
Bro first time watching your videos an right off the rip. Love it your straight up an not B.S keep it up I’ll watch ur videos from here on out. Hate the fake ones from others. 💯💯💪
You just got a new subscriber "Go eat a bag of..." LOL good stuff. I have a 1032 and a 1756, always messing with them and modifying them, glad I found your channel.
Aircraft sheet metal fabricator here, When we start talking about attaching things permanently together, my #1 go-to is going to be rivets. They permanently deform around the hold, filling it, and work hardening (depending on material) to provide excellent shear/tension strength. After that, I'd go down to hi-tig, or hi-lok maybe, and then welding. The only reason welding imo is lower on the scale is because of the heat transfer. I'd be worried about varying hardness around the weld, and creating brittle/weak spots. Or melting straight through, because sheet aluminum is a fickle master.
I also wonder about the heat affected zone concerning welding and how that relates to the number of flex cycles before the metal cracks, but as we know, many aluminum boats are welded together from the factory. Other than putting only enough heat into the metal to to make the weld, do they use another method to deal draw our or deal with the heat of welding?
LOL, Thanks Travis. I do some really dumb stuff when filming so I try to include as much as I can in the bloopers. I have to cut some of it or else the video will be 10 hours long
I copied your "Gator Glide" up here in Canada, I hope it stands up to the Canadian Winters for hunting and fishing. The finished product is a super slippery boat hull which is a blessing for pushing and pulling boats in the Canadian North. I have officially completed my "Send It Canadian Boats" but I don't have an inflatable horse 🐎 and a plastic sword. Once I get those items I will Send it !! Thanks for the videos 👍👍
@@SendItJonBoats welded them on 12 foot Lowe’s alum. Boat with a 20 horse 4 stroke merc. With stick steering added to it it slowed it down a bit from 35 to 30 miles an hour but have not ran it since I put the speed prop on it but it really really helped it float shallow I can run in just a few inches of wAter like a whole bunch rigged it up to fish creeks and fish for reds down south I’m from north Louisiana
Just a little tip on figuring pods. If you can determine the cubic inches of your pods (kinda tough) you can figure the gains you’ll get. The sum = x cubic inches. That sum divided by 231 cubic inches (per gallon of water)= gallons. That x 8.34 (lbs per gallon)= extra weight you can haul. IOW a pod being 15” wide, 15” long and 10” tall = 2250 cubic inches x 2 pods = 4500 cubic inches divided by 231 = 19.48 gallons x 8.34 = 162 lbs. So if you had a 200 lbs motor you could put a 362 pound motor on and draft would be unchanged. Or…. You could pull the plug, fill it with water and weigh the contents. Buuuut, you can add foam to the pods and mount a 7.3 Power Stroke and two small block Chevy’s, you’ll have a hell of a time keeping the back end in the water. Not gunna charge y’all for that. Btw, that was a fancy hot glue gun!
I am a fleet technician, rivets are the only thing supporting several thousands of pounds of product when you drive next to 18 wheelers on the highway at mach 5. I'm sure they can hold a 500 lb boat with a 13 hp motor.
Lmao. I just subscribed and really enjoy the presentation of information. The bloopers add a lot of humanity and relatability to the channel also. Nice work! Do you have a fishing channel?
I have a 1436 that i put 8’ sticks of 6” pvc pipes on the side for side to side. Works amazing! Can now run a trot line while standing up and not feeling wonky.
The float pods, installed in that similar way, actually did get you up on plane slightly better but not noticeably as a flat bottom boat gain less from planar boards than do a V hull. (This was established when motor boats began to show up)
Enjoy watching, very entertaining. We are rebuilding a 1436 Jon boat we picked up real cheap. we are missing one seat and want to take out another on. we are looking for the corner supports for the cross brasses. any ideas what we can use? Thanks
First video of yours I've ever watched. Just curious as to what a float pod was. However, your hater segment was worth watching the video. It was awesome. Scooters, keep em coming. I may have found a new channel to watch.
Good video. We put a pair on both of our Jon’s. It resulted in better river fishing because it did raise up our skeg gaurd a couple inches. If you put foam in them, the foam will not set up because foam needs oxygen to set up. The foam will lay in there and stay runny. Prove me wrong.
@@antfarmmining7824 the foam expands in that area that gets air (drain plug) and clogs up the airway. I suppose you could drill a bunch of holes in the top of the pod to allow air to get in.
Right on about the foam , and also that foam can go bad after years of use , not to mention if you have a lowe roughneck like I do. They sprayed the foam in all the way down and sealed the drainage in the back rear structural boxes, so after years that foam just turned in to a big wet heavy Blankey, after gutting all the foam out , and weighing it while it was wet . I was caring about an extra 200 pounds in the back with soaked foam and so I added my own foam that I can take out when ever I want , what a difference it makes having fry foam , holy crap that foam needs to be check . Use a long drill bit or coat hanger to see if your foam has become a big wet blanky
That is ridiculous they put all the wrong foam in there and it got soaked. I know when I pulled all the foam out of my boat it was soaked and weighed a bunch.
Cell foam doesnt absorb water. Thats litteraly the point of it. I gutted a 30 year old capehorn and tossed the foam in a bucket of water and has never taken on water
As a previous boat mechanic I can attest that 3M 5200 is just as good as bolting, we would use that stuff on the underwater gear on like mastercrafts And we would literally have to take a sledgehammer to get it to break loose and sometimes it would even break gel coat and fiber glass instead of the 5200
Man thats good to hear. I knew 200 was strong but I didn't know it was that strong
Try 7200.
We usually use bolts/screws and 5200
A heat gun can help loosen the 5200 to get pieces apart.
Love the video. Informative funny to the point. Appreciate the feedback I learned a bit watching and I feel like with my limited experience in physics I trust your input.
I just want to say i feel like putting foam in the pods would be best. Why not automatically displace water? At maybe 10lbs I think the weight of the foam is worth never having water inside the pod. A failsafe. Especially with not welding but = importance. Just my 2 cents.
Love the video keep em coming! I'm never opposed to saving time and money thanks again! ( been day drinking n idc :p)
I love your execution of telling people how stupid they are on the internet.
someone has to let the haters know that we love them. LOL Thanks for watching.
I do have to give you the credit for my even finding out about these things. I didn't even know they existed until I saw one of your videos. I immediately ordered the medium size pair from Backwater, Inc out of Minnesota and installed them on my 1989 Landau 'Sport 10' 17ft aluminum bass boat with 40 hp Evinrude. Mine were beautifully built and expertly welded with something like 10 gauge marine aluminum and were perfectly air tight. I mounted them just like you have yours on your boat, basically the design of the pods is already there and I just mounted them down to the bottom at the transom and out to the edge of the hull. It was as if they were made for my boat. I agonized about how to secure them because I didn't want to spoil the integrity of the airtightness of the pods, nor did I want to risk burning through my hull welding them on. The hull thickness at the transom is about 16 gauge I'm guessing. So I thought and thought, and decided to order two locking watertight deck hatches that were about the right size to fit the tops of the pods, cut the tops out of the pods and through bolted them through the transom using 5/16'" stainless steel bolts with flat washers, fender washers and nyloc nuts, all stainless steel. I also used the two pieces that were left over from the cutouts on the tops of the pods to make two backing plates inside the transom that are shaped to fit the little bit of deadrise that the hull has. Also, like you, I used a generous beading of 5200 around all the through bolts and the perimeter of the pods, like two passes and then used the rest of it to run a line of "caulk" across the tops of the pods. Maybe a little bit of overkill, but they are absolutely bonded and fixed to the hull. The flotation they provide at the very aft end of the boat and to the outside of the boat has made a completely different boat out of mine. Even with the weight of the motor, fuel tanks, battery, oil reservoir and everything including people at the back of the boat, the flotation is unbelievable. I will say that at rest, the pods are practically underwater or flush with the surface of the water. The boat is also very much more stable in roll, both at rest and at speed. I consider this modification to be the very best thing I ever did to the boat, and it has made the boat much safer and more enjoyable to use. No penalty in performance, maybe even a little better in getting up to plane and yet my tilt/trim is still very effective. I sealed the hatches very well and they don't leak a drop. Best thing I ever did to that little boat.
Good to hear you had a good experience like I did! Hands down one of my favorite mods to my boat. I considered going the same route you did and bolting them on, but I figured ya only live once, might as well try something different.
@@SendItJonBoats I read your comment as "I ordered a pair from backwater minnesota". I was offended a bit but you're not wrong!
I have a metal boat that my father made 37 years ago. He has never worked with a welding machine and grinder before, he is an industrial designer. I have been in metalworking for 15 years and I want to make a new aluminum boat and these videos of yours are of great use to me.
Heck yeah man, wish I had more time to weld and fabricate stuff because I love it. I hope your new boat turns out good.
This is the last time I watch your videos while trying to put the kids to sleep! Number Yellow busted me up and I woke up the boy! Thank you for the info on the pods. I’ve been debating getting them.
LMAO... At least I didn't do myth number lamp! Then you may have been crying and laughing. Thanks for checking out the video bud! Get them pods, I love mine!
You got my subscription! Keep sending those scooter comments, they had me rolling! 😂 plus great information with no BS on the boat itself!
Thanks for the sub! Appreciate you watching!
Thanks for another good video. Certainly one of ne favorite channels and while I'm not ready to as deep down the Jon boat rabbit hole as you are (yet), these are definitely helping my ideas of what I want evolve!
Thanks Jesse... It is becoming an addiction, I have so many wild ideas and plans for the channel, now I just need more time to do boat stuff and not work as much!
Great product. I upgraded from a 30lbs minn kota on my canoe and I am more than happy with the purchase. I have been using it all summer long and it hasn’t let me down once.
Very nice, glad to hear.
I worked in the Boating industry. We built a 48-foot, open cockpit, offshore fishing boat. It had a composite sandwich boat hull. We then lifted the Hickory veneered plywood laminated bulkheads into the boat with a crane. We used 3M 5200 to weld the bulkheads to the inside of the hull. It can fill big gaps and retain structural integrity. It took forever to cure, but it was solid. If we tried to use fiberglass resin it would have thermally reacted out of control and bubbled up. There was so much mass it may have even caught on fire. So we used3M 5200. That stuff is really strong. It worked.
I love it so far, I wonder what other cool stuff I can glue on the boat now! LOL
Just Bought a 16ft Xpress and I'm here for all this info! Thanks so much!
Thats a nice boat, xpress makes good stuff
3M 5200 is an incredibly strong adhesive. Boat builders use it to attach the top cap to the hull on boats and to seal and waterproof portholes or hull intrusions. It takes a week to cure, however.
I always knew it was good stuff but never tried anything this drastic with it... now I am a firm believer in 5200. The long sure time does kinda suck but it is worth it.
Panel adhesives are incredibly strong. There are productions cars where some structural components are glued together with these adhesives. With some, the aluminum will fail before the glue does when pulling apart.
First video I've seen on this channel and I'm hooked. Awesome content!
Welcome aboard. Thanks for watching
Love the Chanel name lol your funny too lol , they do improve hole shot and support heavier motors so your boat sits more level .
Thank you. Glad you enjoyed the video. I love the pods so far, best mod to my boat yet.
Soooo....stick around!
@@serialseatsniffer5610 😂
Myth buster..got it right !… I actually looked at this concept myself…”but” given my variance in waters and people on boat 1 or 2… I deemed it not worth the trouble…I’m not going there because it’s the only thing some miss the fact that it’s a lot easier to balance the boat properly according to water conditions and people on board…another is bow attitude when you have a lot more floatation at transom it changes approach for the bad in choppy waters…I’d say play with balance first and if you still need it don’t over do it !!! All in all ..good vid 👍🏼
Oh for sure always play with balance first. Only reason I did it is because the eventual motor that is going in this boat is waaaayyyyy to heavy for this boat and I need all the floatation I can get.
Man, please tell me you can work "and while we wait...we hydrate" into a future video 😂 you nailed the accent brother👌
GOOD IDEA!!!! That will have to be in the scooter section next time. The accent is natural, I am originally from Louisiana, and I love that guy on TikTok. He cracks me up!
Hello, great video on breaking myths concerning the float pods! I have a very old pre 1972 jon boat,and it had some issues I fixed up with the help of Lowes home improvement store near my home. I used gutter calk to fix pitting holes from electrolysis, rather than weld, due to budget,and time.i used 1in square tube to build my own transom,and storage compartment opening frames with glue and rivet vs. Welding as well. And I watched a Roland martin video,where he added side floatation to his old town canoe.i removed all the foam from front,and back.as it was holding water,and had some leaks inside the sealed seat areas I needed to access to fix. The floats are bass pro bout bouys bolted w 1/4 20 6 inch bolts and flat washers.and the stability is great.as it made the boat wider and more stable. While giving me the floatation back from removing the factory crap spray foam from within the seats.the over all speed was 8 mph w a 3.5 2 stroke Nissan outboard. And averages up to 3 mph w a 30lb thrust minkota tiller. If you have any questions hit me up! Im helpful,and honest about my findings, and will explain in detail the tools,and process to achieve the same .thx for the video it's good!
Awesome, thanks for the info. Glad it worked out for you.
@@SendItJonBoats just got my boat registered, and titled in Okeechobee. I took it out to Kissimmee river yesterday and got 5 fish, and missed alot of bites. Hard to tell between the sticks,rock and fish w my spin rig. But s good trek up some side canals. Water Temps are 94 degrees, and I seen active tilapia, gar,and 2 gators. I caught 2 small bass,2chicklids,and 1 catfish. I used 1/16 ball head and rattail worm combo. Any color was good enough. Black blue flek,cinnamon red,and natural clears were all good as well! And as you guessed! I sent it...... in the Lil John! 🚣♀️🎣💥👌
First time watching and I love the content! You’re hilarious and the information you provided is very valuable.
Thanks Thomas, glad you are enjoying the channel. Many more fun videos coming soon.
Im a big fisherman first time IV seen this channel and im impressed you gotta love the good ol boys they tell it like it is
Welcome aboard! Glad you enjoyed the video...we don't hold nothing back around here.
Good video! After seeing your install I installed the medium pods on my topper 15.
I did it mainly because of adding the 670, although the added weight from the 420 really wasn’t much difference. Still waiting on the cam for the 670.
Did a cottonmouth snakeskin paint job.
One performance negative with mine is that in a hard turn, it will slide and bulldoze water instead of tilting like usual.
You’re absolutely correct about everything.
I bet that 15 scoots along real well with a 670. That is next on the to do list is get a comparison of the 420 speeds versus the 670 speeds on this boat so people can use it as reference when they go looking for a longtail.
@@SendItJonBoats I swapped a 8x4 prop for a 9x6. Only gained about 3 - 4 mph . I tried the 670 with the 8x4, no more speed (still governed). But it jumped, idle to plane in about 10 - 15 yds. It still does that with the 9x6, which makes me think I’ll be able to run a 9.5 x 9 with ease. We will see. I’m going to try it eventually.
@@hdaniels30 Never know until you try... I am always trying new stuff to see what actually works.
My man you are a riot! Keep it up. So refreshing to see honest content.
I appreciate that! Thanks for watching.
Was thinking about subscribing then saw the LSU sign in the background….. now I’m definitely subscribing lol
GEAUX TIGERS!!!! Thanks for the sub!
My fellow LSU mates! Cheers fella
Thank you for this vid. I have an 18/60 and the wake is too far back for my longtail. Youve probably saved my mudtail for me!
60 is really wide for a longtail, anything over 48 is usually pushing it for me. A short tail (surface drive) works better on them wider boats.
Hey man that 3m and aluminum rivet combo works quite well. That's basically how we keep aircraft together lol so why the hell wouldn't it work on a boat. Also makes for easy-ish replacement if you crunch one
Very good point about replacement... getting that 3m off would be a hell of job but it can be done with s grinder, some wire wheels and some patience!
There is a spray you can get that breaks down 5200 it's called De-bond. Works pretty good if you can't use a power tool. You can find it in the Kellogg catalog, online or at boat supply store. Have fun.
Just found this video... finally someone who understands how to build with aluminum. I work in the Aircraft Industry. Planes are riveted and epoxied together. Under Destructive testing, the metal tears before the joints... Good Job on your boat.
What epoxy do you use looking to throw pods on my boat wondering if there’s something even stronger than 5200
Awesome, i am glad you liked it. Thanks for watching. I did not know about the epoxy. I knew that airplanes used rivets. Good info, thanks
Bro, the tiktok cajun reference in the bloopers, 💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣
I love that Stalekracker guy. He cracks me up.
@@SendItJonBoats every. Single. Time.
Love the "SCOOTER" segment🤣 priceless. Keep up the videos I'm just starting my build thanks!!
Can I fill the pods with ice and beer or does that not help either?
Beer helps everything.... Put a tap in the drain plug!
@@SendItJonBoats pulse pump with a tube similar to the camel packs
@@sbranham86 Now thats a dang good idea!
Those bloopers are gold
THank you
So yes, 3M 5200 is bad ass. We used it to bed sailboat winches to the deck and they never come off.
I always heard it was great stuff just never glued a whole pod on with it.... but now I have!
Great vid! Thanks for bring to light the myths and the facts on pods! And the review on comments, had me roll-n!
LOL, the haters always get me cracking up! Thanks watching the video Michael.
Haters are going to hate... The rest of us will subscribe and like...
Good way to look at it... but I still like to hate on the haters, because it's funny!
😂😂😂😂🤣. I’m dying of laughter . You most definitely have gained a new sub. About to binge watch. 👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽
Awesome, appreciate the sub!
It would blow their minds on how they make airboats and small air planes
I know right!?! I even said that in the first pod video... the whole boat is riveted together so pods riveted ont he boat is not a big deal! LOL.
Who?
First time watching and instantly hooked, love the honesty
Now look what you done! Ya done hurt those folks feelings that live in their parents basement 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😂 LMAO.... I didn't know that snowflakes had feelings???? LOL
@@SendItJonBoatsLove all your videos, Just catching up on all of them, Where can I find a header an muffler for my Predator 420? Thanks brother!!!
finally ... someone who tells it like it is !!! great vids!!! keep them rollin'! and for the love of god DON'T stop the bloopers!!!
i hope my grammar is up to par as well as my semi quasi cro -magnon grasp of the english language was up to the task of leaving a feeble attempt at a slightly social comment for the haters to make fun of!
LMAO.... Easy with the 5$ words there buddy! I almost had to start googling just to translate the big words LOL. Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed the bloopers. Many more fun ones coming.
Lmao I'm so glad I stuck around for the roast! For real is that all Amazon pays to put those links online?
Thanks for checking out the video Tim. Yeah Amazon don't pay crap. I'm lucky if I make 30 or 40 bucks a month off them. Not nearly enough for how much of their products I use. But I am spoiled, I like being able to order stuff and have it in 2 days so I keep using them.
@@SendItJonBoats I have a 14ft vhaul boat I would to install pods to my boat is it possible ??
@@dennisgomez6228 yes you can do it
YOOOOO that first blooper got me no lie 😂😂😂
LOL. I love stalekracker, watch him on TikTok all the time.
I would weld them on, plug the hole on the bottom, but extend them to the top level with the transom. Connect an aluminum tube inside the boat to both and use as a gas tank.
This guy is a genius! One could be a gas tank and the other could be a beer cooler! Great idea!
Uhmmmmm....Pretty sure filling them with fuel and beer would negate any buoyancy.
@@eiserntorsphantomoftheoper2154 no not at all, as long as its enclosed it will float. A gallon plastic container full of water floats.
@@michaelace4739 You also forgot to mention the specific gravity of gasoline is less than water thus providing buoyancy also. But the weight of the aluminum would negate any useful lift. Your jug theory is correct if the plastic is HDPE. It is slightly lighter than water. Denser plastic like PVC does not float. I believe you have missed the point. Any USEFUL buoyancy would be minimal. Ounce or less.
The whole purpose is to obtain SUBSTANTIAL lift, 200 pounds or more.
Too much math... yall making my head hurt!
1st video I've scene of yours. I am now subscribed. Love it
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video.
Technically the foam will give you less buoyancy because you’re adding weight. Granted it won’t be perceivable because of the low weight but technically…
Very good point, did not think about that, but yeah nobody needs to put anything in the pods! I get comments about it all the time.
I'm running pods on my 12.5 ft boat with an outboard and it works great. Hard to explain how they are made but they are welded and foam filled. I can send you an email about it if you want with specs and pictures. Works great.
Awesome. Glad to hear they are working well for you.
Did the pods increase stability in your 12.5? @crossroadgaragellc
After watching the Haters Corner.... NEW FAVORITE CHANNEL! haha
Thanks Jeremiah, glad you are enjoying the videos. I got a mountain of backlogged scooter comments for upcoming videos. The more popular the channel becomes, the more scooters show up! I love it!
Got a 1236 Jon boat and was thinking about pods to make it more side to side stable. Glad you broke that myth lol saved me $$.
Yeah don't know a good way to add side to side stability and still run good. But we are going to keep trying and see what happens.
The most appropriate response to trolls. Send it, sir.
Full send on the trolls. Thanks for watching.
When you stood on that float pods I got stressed lol . Great vid interesting to watch and great editing keep up the great work!
LOL, thanks for checking out the video.
Just found your channel and I love it! It will definitely come in handy for me as I work on getting my Polar Krap, I mean Kraft, up and running!
Welcome aboard! Polar Krap lmao! Never heard that one.
I put a small set of beavertail pods on an Alumacraft 1032 using 1/4-20 bolts and 3M 5200, mounted even with the bottom of the transom. Ran a short shaft Yamaha 8hp on it and never had any issues with them other than when I decided to add a hydrofoil on the motor. I had to run the motor a bit lower on my diy jack plate. Sold the boat and 7 years later, ole boy I sold it to is still running the same pods, with them same bolts and same beads of 5200. As you say, they do not have to be welded on.
Thanks for the info JB. See I knew I wasn't the only one who had glued them bad boys on the back of a boat! Sounds like yours have really held up well. I think mine will be fine too, they are on there solid!
Slowed my boat down just a bit from 35 to bout 30 miles an hour it’s a 12 foot Lowe’s alum. Boat with a 20 merc 4 stroke and stick steering but put a speed prop on it and have not run it yet but floats very shallow fixed it to fish creeks and to go red fishing down south
First time viewer. That Haters Corner almost had me hitting the subscribe button, but 11:41 put me over the top and I smashed both the subscribe and like buttons :)
Nice video . keep them coming. I will say that i have noticed one BAD side effect from having pods on my duck boat. I have a 2005 smoker craft 1866 with a 115 yamaha with a jet. Previous owner added the pods. When running at high speeds and turning the inside of the run pod lifts the inside corner of the boat and pushes down on the inside corner of the bow. So the boat does not bow rise in the corners but drives the bow down and allows the rear of the boat to slide out of the corner to much. Gets kind of squirrelly and you have to cut the throttle to regain control. It also throws up a lot of spray off the front edge of the bow where it enters the water. With the wind I soaked one of my buddies while making a tight corner. Boat does 30+ with two guys, dog, blind and all our gear.
Wow, seems like some boats have to be set up differently to get them to work right. I do not have any experience with smoker crafts or jets, but that sucks you are having issues.
@@SendItJonBoats more or a annoyance then a problem.
@@SendItJonBoats more or a annoyance then a problem.
@@SendItJonBoats i do not have as much of an angle on the pods as the come off the hull. More flat and even with the line of the bottom of the hull.
After seeing these pods I had the same concern. That the pods would definitely affect turning at higher speeds. Just like you said. The pod would interfere with proper banking.
Bro first time watching your videos an right off the rip. Love it your straight up an not B.S keep it up I’ll watch ur videos from here on out. Hate the fake ones from others. 💯💯💪
Great video bro .I love how u call out all the scooters
Thanks for checking out the video Jesse. Someone has to give the haters a taste of their own medicine.
Awesome dude.
I love the hater section of the video.
Glad you liked it, thanks for watching
That's why I don't do too much commenting I hate sarcasm , I just watched the videos good job
Comment all you want dude... we love comments.
This man is amazing 🤣🤣🤣 I can't stop laughing how have I not seen ur channel before?!? Minute 30 in and I'm subscribing 🤣 keep it up bro keep it up
You seem to have a fully functional BullSpit detector. You just got a new sub.
You would be correct... no time for the BS of the boat world. Someone has to tell it like it is! Thanks for the sub
Thank you for the fun video. Keep those jacklegs in check.
Somebody gotta keep these yahoos in line! LOL
Nice channel, I love your attitude and t-shirts. Keep up the good work.
You just got a new subscriber "Go eat a bag of..." LOL good stuff. I have a 1032 and a 1756, always messing with them and modifying them, glad I found your channel.
I don't know anything about boats..... But I like your style.
All you need to know is #1 boats and hoes #2 send it!!!!
You got this bro! LOL
Aircraft sheet metal fabricator here,
When we start talking about attaching things permanently together, my #1 go-to is going to be rivets. They permanently deform around the hold, filling it, and work hardening (depending on material) to provide excellent shear/tension strength. After that, I'd go down to hi-tig, or hi-lok maybe, and then welding. The only reason welding imo is lower on the scale is because of the heat transfer. I'd be worried about varying hardness around the weld, and creating brittle/weak spots. Or melting straight through, because sheet aluminum is a fickle master.
You dang right welding thin aluminum is a giant pain in the butt! I am a huge fan of rivets now.
Do you use solid rivets, or pull through mostly? Are self-sealing pull through rivets even trustworthy for water?
I use both but anything that is in the water I use the solid rivets and they work great.
I also wonder about the heat affected zone concerning welding and how that relates to the number of flex cycles before the metal cracks, but as we know, many aluminum boats are welded together from the factory. Other than putting only enough heat into the metal to to make the weld, do they use another method to deal draw our or deal with the heat of welding?
Don't listen to the jerks.....you do a great job.
LOL, Thanks Stacy. I just love giving the idiot keyboard warriors a taste of their own medicine.
Tape measure blooper was the best. Should of just kept that in the video, good laugh!
LOL, Thanks Travis. I do some really dumb stuff when filming so I try to include as much as I can in the bloopers. I have to cut some of it or else the video will be 10 hours long
I absolutely love how you shut all these idiots up lol.. Wonderful work.. and wonderful video!!!!
Got to show the haters some love, or else they will get thier feeling hurt and tell thier mommy that I insulted them.
@@SendItJonBoats Very true :) Keep up the good work man!
Cool video, love the bloopers, great stuff, 😅🤣😂
Thanks for the information. I appreciate your straight forward advice.
Glad I could help, thanks for watching.
I copied your "Gator Glide" up here in Canada, I hope it stands up to the Canadian Winters for hunting and fishing. The finished product is a super slippery boat hull which is a blessing for pushing and pulling boats in the Canadian North. I have officially completed my "Send It Canadian Boats" but I don't have an inflatable horse 🐎 and a plastic sword. Once I get those items I will Send it !! Thanks for the videos 👍👍
YEE YEE... yeah get you a viking helmet and a sword and you can send it! But don't forget the unicorn!
@@SendItJonBoats SEND IT !! 🦄 ⚔️ 👍😁
Man, you are a hoot to watch! You're ideas are pretty good too!
Thanks Kevin, glad you enjoyed the video. Many more insane ideas coming up soon!
Great job..great info too..love the format of your vids..keep swattin dem skeeters
LOL, We got some big ol skeeters down here and they will eat your face off.
I missed the boat and should have said scooters..refering to your smacking trolls segment..skeeters..scooters..same to me..just smackem
Loved this vid bud! Glad I found your channel, i love jon boats
Awesome, thanks for watching. Many more fun ones coming soon.
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@@SendItJonBoats welded them on 12 foot Lowe’s alum. Boat with a 20 horse 4 stroke merc. With stick steering added to it it slowed it down a bit from 35 to 30 miles an hour but have not ran it since I put the speed prop on it but it really really helped it float shallow I can run in just a few inches of wAter like a whole bunch rigged it up to fish creeks and fish for reds down south I’m from north Louisiana
Just a little tip on figuring pods. If you can determine the cubic inches of your pods (kinda tough) you can figure the gains you’ll get. The sum = x cubic inches. That sum divided by 231 cubic inches (per gallon of water)= gallons. That x 8.34 (lbs per gallon)= extra weight you can haul. IOW a pod being 15” wide, 15” long and 10” tall = 2250 cubic inches x 2 pods = 4500 cubic inches divided by 231 = 19.48 gallons x 8.34 = 162 lbs. So if you had a 200 lbs motor you could put a 362 pound motor on and draft would be unchanged. Or…. You could pull the plug, fill it with water and weigh the contents. Buuuut, you can add foam to the pods and mount a 7.3 Power Stroke and two small block Chevy’s, you’ll have a hell of a time keeping the back end in the water. Not gunna charge y’all for that. Btw, that was a fancy hot glue gun!
Too much math and stuff, made my brain hurt. But thanks for schooling us.
I like the style of the video. I'll need to watch more.
Thanks, glad you enjoyed the video.
I put a pair on my 12 foot Jon boat with a 20 mercury and stick steering and foreword controls plus added power trim tilt perfect for the fishing I do
All in all, looks like a job well done. Works on the water. Doesn't suck. What more can you want?
Exactly! and I love the pods. They really helped keep the boat from squatting so much.
Glad you are back!
I am back... trying to get some videos rolled out.
Thumbs up for flipping off the trolls. Hilarious.
LOL. Always going to be some haters... but keep em' coming, that means I am doing something right.
Informational and unconditional. 👍 outside the box
Thanks
I am a fleet technician, rivets are the only thing supporting several thousands of pounds of product when you drive next to 18 wheelers on the highway at mach 5. I'm sure they can hold a 500 lb boat with a 13 hp motor.
Yup... very good point.
I don't always use proper grammar but brother, I love the sarcasm great channel
Lmao. I just subscribed and really enjoy the presentation of information. The bloopers add a lot of humanity and relatability to the channel also. Nice work! Do you have a fishing channel?
Thanks Glenn, I do not have a fishing channel but maybe that is something I need to look into. I have had several request for it.
Haha keep it up man that videos are awesome and very helpful
Thanks Wallace, glad you enjoyed the video.
I have a 1436 that i put 8’ sticks of 6” pvc pipes on the side for side to side. Works amazing! Can now run a trot line while standing up and not feeling wonky.
That's my cuzin. Going to start forwarding my Scooter comments so we can have a guest section.
Yee Yee Cuzin! Lets do it!
Absolutely a great, informative video! I'm looking at installing some Backwater pods on my 16'X50" jon. Thank you for posting.
Glad I could help
I love when ppl think foam adds floating. If anything it makes your boat sit lower in the water because it’s more weight in the boat
The float pods, installed in that similar way, actually did get you up on plane slightly better but not noticeably as a flat bottom boat gain less from planar boards than do a V hull. (This was established when motor boats began to show up)
Cool
so are you saying a v hull gains more from float pods than a flat bottom or less?
Great advice I plan on making my build almost like yours!
Good luck! and have fun, I love my boat.
Enjoy watching, very entertaining. We are rebuilding a 1436 Jon boat we picked up real cheap. we are missing one seat and want to take out another on. we are looking for the corner supports for the cross brasses. any ideas what we can use? Thanks
I would have a welder make some strong corner braces for you, that would be the best bet.
I would love to see a video dedicated to all the scooters. I love your channel keep it up
LOL, Thats a good idea, we get a lot of scooters.
First video of yours I've ever watched. Just curious as to what a float pod was. However, your hater segment was worth watching the video. It was awesome. Scooters, keep em coming. I may have found a new channel to watch.
LOL, We get lots of scooters, there will be plenty more coming up soon.
I enjoyed your little show and I am too trying to come up with side floats for mine and damn the performance
Yes the side float pods are a headache but I am determined to get them working.
Great video sir . Thanks for sharing your knowledge!
Glad i could help. Thanks for watching
Good video. We put a pair on both of our Jon’s. It resulted in better river fishing because it did raise up our skeg gaurd a couple inches. If you put foam in them, the foam will not set up because foam needs oxygen to set up. The foam will lay in there and stay runny. Prove me wrong.
Great point about the foam needing oxygen. So true.
Lol is the area not full of air before you poor the foam in ,and is there not a hole for it to get air where you poor in the foam?
@@antfarmmining7824 the foam expands in that area that gets air (drain plug) and clogs up the airway. I suppose you could drill a bunch of holes in the top of the pod to allow air to get in.
Right on about the foam , and also that foam can go bad after years of use , not to mention if you have a lowe roughneck like I do. They sprayed the foam in all the way down and sealed the drainage in the back rear structural boxes, so after years that foam just turned in to a big wet heavy Blankey, after gutting all the foam out , and weighing it while it was wet . I was caring about an extra 200 pounds in the back with soaked foam and so I added my own foam that I can take out when ever I want , what a difference it makes having fry foam , holy crap that foam needs to be check . Use a long drill bit or coat hanger to see if your foam has become a big wet blanky
That is ridiculous they put all the wrong foam in there and it got soaked. I know when I pulled all the foam out of my boat it was soaked and weighed a bunch.
Cell foam doesnt absorb water. Thats litteraly the point of it. I gutted a 30 year old capehorn and tossed the foam in a bucket of water and has never taken on water
It took you less than ten minutes to get a new subscriber. You have me absolutely weak XD
thanks for the sub, glad I could give you a good laugh.
Excellent - love the 'tude' back to the rude ppl.
Got to give the haters some love. Thanks for watching.
Just found you. Made me laugh so much at the end , I just had to sub. Thanks. Haters suck.
Crazy, but awesome! Great content, definitely worth subscribing to hear about the Scooters!
LOL thanks for the sub
Earned a subscription with this video. Scooter 😂 that's great.
Subbed, great content I am building my old 14 footer. Like it just as much as my Ranger
Heck yeah! Thanks for watching.
Myth number yellow had me cracking up 😂