@@fila1445 Oh stop, let it be. These are filmed so far in the past you guys that keep bringing it up won’t change anything. We will all see how his valve job turned out whenever that video comes out.
@@fila1445 its a guy in his garage making due on tight budgets and what they have. It is Perfectly adequate. Stop being confrontational for the sake of it.
Not that I'm entirely proud of it, but I've made basically an entire S10 driver's side floor pan out of JB Weld as well as patched a radiator neck with it. In both cases, it lasted all of the years I owned both vehicles. The radiator is the one that made me a believer... I put like 90,000 miles on that repair and it never had a problem. I used to make fun of people using JB Weld like that, now I'm tempted to tease you for wasting your time with the welder. ;)
I've got another similar story. Ordered a new radiator for my E38 and the reseller sent me the wrong one. I had already lost practically all of my patience waiting for the new radiator to arrive, so you can bet I wasn't thrilled with the idea of sending it back and waiting for a replacement. So what I did was I took the saw to both the brand new radiator and the old one, since I needed the necks from the old one. Re-attached them using JB weld, and then JB welded the coolant temperature sensor bung as well since mine was in a different location. That repair was done over half a year ago and it's still holding up. It's not exactly the norm, but sometimes you're actually rewarded for being cheap, impatient and arrogant.
@@StoneMcKnuckle In my case it was all my fault. I was jacking a FWD engine up off of its mounts to do a timing belt service and accidentally ran the alternator into the radiator. Oops... :/
Honestly yea I've done this clearance cheese and my welds didn't do it but my jb welds did. Unfortunately the heat racked my pan as it was not bolted to the block
These videos captivate me so much, you do everything from your garage. A true DIY series that any joe blow with basic skills and tools can follow. I am so anxious to see this motor put back together and started.
The only thing I'd be concerned with is that JB weld on the inside potentially flaking off after some heat cycles and blocking the oil pick up. So it will be interesting to see how that works out. Other than that I love your channel! Keep up the good work.👌
I’ll be honest, you’re suffering trying to use a flux core welder, even a basic gas setup will give you much cleaner welds and way more control. I get the low budget approach but flux core is just a false economy
Yep, a mig welder with some cheap 100% CO2 and whatever wire will weld an order of magnitude better than this and will probably cost less in the long run. Especially when you consider that there will be next to no re-welding of the entire thing and much less grinding, which takes a bunch of time and supplies. And it's a lot cleaner, as there's no flux fumes and residue going everywhere. One downside is that wind can blow the shielding gas away but that's it, only upsides from here on in.
@@poptartmcjelly7054 While I typically would agree with both of you in this sentiment, having used a very cheap 110v welder myself I can assure you, they do not weld any better with gas. you need a 220v gas setup to make even close to a semi decent weld. I still have my dirt cheap (name brand) 110v welder in my home garage, it is a dedicated flux machine now because I wasted years trying to make it run on gas with nothing but frustration. Go ahead and try and tell me I just don't know how to weld, I expect that kind of silly flamage. Fact is I held certs for many years in structural SMAW/GMAW I run my ac/dc tig just fine at work almost every day..... cheap flux welders are what they are and a decent machine will cost no less than $1k USD. so if a $300.00 oil pan is out of the budget, I would be willing to say even the harbor freight multi purpose 220 machine is well out of reach and I consider that machine to be the absolute bottom of the barrel to even start making decent passes. I'm actually impressed given the porosity of stitch welding with flux that he was able to make a liquid tight weld. this guy gets props for making it happen with what he has, which a lot of us did for years.
@@bobbyd9583 Get an inverter welder and it won't matter what voltage you have. For 400€ i got an inverter welder, a 5l CO2 tank with gas and a regulator, an automatic face shield and a 5kg spool of 0.8mm wire all brand new delivered to my door. It's not that expensive and it's a great investment. I've been using it to weld everything for almost two years no problem. Even welded a water tower frame way out in the garden with a long extension cable and the welder had no problem welding thick steel. And i can tell looking at the video that my welds are an order of magnitude better than what i saw on that oil pan. And before i got my MIG welder i used my AC buzzbox to stick weld such stuff and had about as much success as our guy here with the oil pan.
Noooooooooooooooo!!!! I was following your budget engine build its so interesting but now i am done with the last video hurry and upload a new one because i am hooked lol just keep it up bro i am really enjoying your vids
You need to get yourself one of those Bernzamatic Oxy-Map gas torches. I've used it to heat up 3/16" steel for bending and forming. Makes like so much easier. Probably would've made that 16Ga bend like butter.
Roadkill style! I love it! In this hobby you do with what you can and do with what you have to make it work. Just ignore those armchair keyboard warriors, it's your project & you do with what you have. We all seem to be in the same boat, budget builds, so you do what makes it work. Keep at it & don't give up!
Love the project. It was perfect timing. As I'm working to save what could be considered a basket case. So thanks for putting some myths to rest. Not everything has to be high buck machine finished to be extremely reliable. And yes the effort is quite time consuming, I spent 5 hours today cleaning up 8 cylinders in a sbc, still kind of rough by all guesstamations, but we're gonna run it anyway. So thanks for the in the real world videos.
Do it i have a 454 bored to 468 edelbrock heads edelbrock tunnel ram dual holley double pumper 750s zz572 cam stock bottom end with valve relieves in the pistons bc big cam 630hp 590tq
Definitely leak test parts with water. The oil will contaminate the extra welds, as will not removing the slag from every flux core weld between seperate welds.
Good job on the build so far, I wish I could actually see what all you have completed thus far. I really miss working on project cars, I remember way back in the day when I was 15 working in my brothers machine shop, always breaking down Small Blocks and Big Blocks. So this is really nostalgic for me, and can wait for the rest of the videos. Keep up the good work, I’m digging it.
A couple of days ago I started watching the 78 Firebird playlist from the beginning again 👍 Me yelling at you to throw the torque wrench away and tighten things just enough so they don't break. And EVERY time the inlet manifold still cracks! 😫😫😫
Hey man. I watch alot of engine rebuild vids on UA-cam and most of the engines have alot of $ thrown at them. I've never seen one quite like yours but I like it. You get a 👍from me plus a sub. Great vid man, keep up the good work.
I used JB Weld years ago to seal a welded motorcycle case. Did a lot of research on different epoxies and it was by far the only one that was heat and oil resistant. Worked fine for quite a while.
They did use 455’s in those days,also if you score the line to bend with your cut off wheel it’ll bend nicely and hey it looks lovely.good enough for who it’s for but I would have turn the welded nut the opposite way and the jb weld was right.good job
I think that was probably due to the plastic expanding when heated causing the issue. I've used to fix a very leaky oil pan that would have required the engine to be pulled, no issues. Think it works much better on metal.
I'm not a fan of that brand of bedliner. Gasoline will dissolve it in an instant. I don't know how they can even call it a bedliner with its super shitty durability. Hopefully oil won't dissolve it too. Ive also heard thin jb weld won't hold up to heat. I hope nothing flakes off inside the pan over time.. Glad to see more big block updates. The pan looks good. Hopefully she clears!
What you could do next time is score the bend lines with the angle grinder. This will make it easier to bend and allow a tighter and centralized bend. If you were worried about the piece structurally you can just score bend then weld those scores.
i love this type of videos, the oil pan looks solid for a diy job but I would've cut out the drain hole from the old sump and welded it on, you would've gotten better oil drainage because the hole was even lower but this will work fine i guess
For the oil pan drain, you could cut a piece of sheet metal, weld the nut on it and then weld the sheet at the inside of the pan. So then, you can be sure to drain almost all the oil (and the metal pieces which can get to the bottom of it).
A little tip for when your bending steel use the grinder and go down your bend or where you want it bent at don’t cut all the way through just enough to we’re you can bend it and depending on how deep you cut it to bend it you might have to run a bead down it
Good job well done, JB Weld will be good I’ve had some tractor fuel tank that had some plastic fittings that I could not fix that were leaking slightly and I sanded it all down put some thick two coats of JB Weld on there it’s been almost a year with no leaks
I swapped a gen V 454 into my 1981 firebird and use a stock style eBay oil pan off eBay, wasn’t too bad to swap and I never had an issue with the crossmember, however it was a beast to get lined up on the engine mounts so I can understand taking this extra step to save the hassle in the future
Bending fact stock steel made easy by scoring the inside of the bend while firming a “V” shape, then come back and braze or lightly weld the bent sides to produce a strong, leak-proof piece. Also, brazing works better than welding where the pieces need to be leak proof.
Next time if you have a piece of angle iron, hold the sheet metal between the table and angle with clamps.. it’ll make a better “break”. but hey, you did it! As long as the end result is an oil tight pan who cares? Good job.
Don't forget to short the oil dipstick put the recommended quarts in see were it lands on stick shorten at the handle end so full is in middle of hatch again
If it is sealed, I see no issues with your new design and build. I mean it looks pretty nice and I think it is sealed well. I would have probably gone for a supper finish with smooth surfaces and powder coating. But that is just my OCD. But I think you did good... Thumbs Up!
Oh no!!! The new drain plug is on the side of the oil pan? I sure hope that doesn't cause a massive mess every time you take the plug out and the oil comes shooting out! My Dad's truck has the plug on the side and it's always a disaster when he changes his oil.
Ah, old good CAD. Cardboard Assisted Design.
I'm a good old cad.
nice binky reference xD
i want to like this so bad but i cant bring myself to kill the 69 ;)
"A few hundred dollars out of my price range". So they cost a few hundred dollars 😄
"Here at Fuzzy Dice Projects we test the limits of good enough!"
@fuzzy dice, please let that be your moto in future episodes, it's gold.
But that valve job wasn't even mildly adequate:/
@@fila1445 Oh stop, let it be. These are filmed so far in the past you guys that keep bringing it up won’t change anything. We will all see how his valve job turned out whenever that video comes out.
@@ryanolson6794 sorry but it just bugs me :/
@@fila1445 its a guy in his garage making due on tight budgets and what they have. It is Perfectly adequate. Stop being confrontational for the sake of it.
14:02 - "The right man with the shortage of tools can make all the difference... in the garage"
Not that I'm entirely proud of it, but I've made basically an entire S10 driver's side floor pan out of JB Weld as well as patched a radiator neck with it. In both cases, it lasted all of the years I owned both vehicles. The radiator is the one that made me a believer... I put like 90,000 miles on that repair and it never had a problem.
I used to make fun of people using JB Weld like that, now I'm tempted to tease you for wasting your time with the welder. ;)
I've got another similar story. Ordered a new radiator for my E38 and the reseller sent me the wrong one. I had already lost practically all of my patience waiting for the new radiator to arrive, so you can bet I wasn't thrilled with the idea of sending it back and waiting for a replacement. So what I did was I took the saw to both the brand new radiator and the old one, since I needed the necks from the old one. Re-attached them using JB weld, and then JB welded the coolant temperature sensor bung as well since mine was in a different location. That repair was done over half a year ago and it's still holding up.
It's not exactly the norm, but sometimes you're actually rewarded for being cheap, impatient and arrogant.
@@StoneMcKnuckle In my case it was all my fault. I was jacking a FWD engine up off of its mounts to do a timing belt service and accidentally ran the alternator into the radiator. Oops... :/
Honestly yea I've done this clearance cheese and my welds didn't do it but my jb welds did. Unfortunately the heat racked my pan as it was not bolted to the block
Love the creativity that comes out when it comes to budget builds keep up the progress mate its coming along great
That pan looks great but I hope you put that drain bolt in a spot that will be easily accessible and not up against a crossmember or tierod
“What are you doing step drill?”🤣
These videos captivate me so much, you do everything from your garage. A true DIY series that any joe blow with basic skills and tools can follow. I am so anxious to see this motor put back together and started.
Omg. UA-cam videos about something other than an LS!!
I'm subbing
14:02 That half life sound effect was perfect
Was just about to mention that classic button sound myself. I wonder how many people caught that.
The only thing I'd be concerned with is that JB weld on the inside potentially flaking off after some heat cycles and blocking the oil pick up. So it will be interesting to see how that works out. Other than that I love your channel! Keep up the good work.👌
Yes and it will flake off rather quickly bathing in hot oil, Not a good idea lol
I’ll be honest, you’re suffering trying to use a flux core welder, even a basic gas setup will give you much cleaner welds and way more control. I get the low budget approach but flux core is just a false economy
Yep, a mig welder with some cheap 100% CO2 and whatever wire will weld an order of magnitude better than this and will probably cost less in the long run.
Especially when you consider that there will be next to no re-welding of the entire thing and much less grinding, which takes a bunch of time and supplies.
And it's a lot cleaner, as there's no flux fumes and residue going everywhere. One downside is that wind can blow the shielding gas away but that's it, only upsides from here on in.
@@poptartmcjelly7054 While I typically would agree with both of you in this sentiment, having used a very cheap 110v welder myself I can assure you, they do not weld any better with gas. you need a 220v gas setup to make even close to a semi decent weld. I still have my dirt cheap (name brand) 110v welder in my home garage, it is a dedicated flux machine now because I wasted years trying to make it run on gas with nothing but frustration.
Go ahead and try and tell me I just don't know how to weld, I expect that kind of silly flamage. Fact is I held certs for many years in structural SMAW/GMAW I run my ac/dc tig just fine at work almost every day..... cheap flux welders are what they are and a decent machine will cost no less than $1k USD. so if a $300.00 oil pan is out of the budget, I would be willing to say even the harbor freight multi purpose 220 machine is well out of reach and I consider that machine to be the absolute bottom of the barrel to even start making decent passes.
I'm actually impressed given the porosity of stitch welding with flux that he was able to make a liquid tight weld. this guy gets props for making it happen with what he has, which a lot of us did for years.
@@bobbyd9583 im glad i live in norway where 230v is standard
@@bobbyd9583 Get an inverter welder and it won't matter what voltage you have.
For 400€ i got an inverter welder, a 5l CO2 tank with gas and a regulator, an automatic face shield and a 5kg spool of 0.8mm wire all brand new delivered to my door. It's not that expensive and it's a great investment.
I've been using it to weld everything for almost two years no problem. Even welded a water tower frame way out in the garden with a long extension cable and the welder had no problem welding thick steel.
And i can tell looking at the video that my welds are an order of magnitude better than what i saw on that oil pan.
And before i got my MIG welder i used my AC buzzbox to stick weld such stuff and had about as much success as our guy here with the oil pan.
@@osbberjen I'm glad Norway has the idiots like you that don't know about split phase.
Noooooooooooooooo!!!! I was following your budget engine build its so interesting but now i am done with the last video hurry and upload a new one because i am hooked lol just keep it up bro i am really enjoying your vids
You need to get yourself one of those Bernzamatic Oxy-Map gas torches. I've used it to heat up 3/16" steel for bending and forming. Makes like so much easier. Probably would've made that 16Ga bend like butter.
Roadkill style! I love it! In this hobby you do with what you can and do with what you have to make it work. Just ignore those armchair keyboard warriors, it's your project & you do with what you have. We all seem to be in the same boat, budget builds, so you do what makes it work. Keep at it & don't give up!
I really like the idea of re designing the stock pan, cool video.
Petition to give this man a proper mig welder and sheet metal tools. My man is trying do it right but limited by tools and budget.
This needs to be TIG welded IMO
Love the project. It was perfect timing. As I'm working to save what could be considered a basket case. So thanks for putting some myths to rest. Not everything has to be high buck machine finished to be extremely reliable. And yes the effort is quite time consuming, I spent 5 hours today cleaning up 8 cylinders in a sbc, still kind of rough by all guesstamations, but we're gonna run it anyway. So thanks for the in the real world videos.
This series kinda makes me wanna get a 454 for my van
Do it i have a 454 bored to 468 edelbrock heads edelbrock tunnel ram dual holley double pumper 750s zz572 cam stock bottom end with valve relieves in the pistons bc big cam 630hp 590tq
@@_Otaku-kt8be jesus thats alot, i was thinkin like, stock with a few bolt ons for towing lol
Do it 🙂, I've got a 500 horse 5.3 in a blazer, more power is always better.
Make sure you get a bigger gas tank too
@Austin Plucinski follow me in Instagram @empty_wallet_garage if you want to ask any questions I'm there
Definitely leak test parts with water. The oil will contaminate the extra welds, as will not removing the slag from every flux core weld between seperate welds.
I am always a fan of your no nonsense approach!
Good job on the build so far, I wish I could actually see what all you have completed thus far. I really miss working on project cars, I remember way back in the day when I was 15 working in my brothers machine shop, always breaking down Small Blocks and Big Blocks. So this is really nostalgic for me, and can wait for the rest of the videos. Keep up the good work, I’m digging it.
Always excited to see a new Fuzzy Dice Project video in my feed! You really inspire me to get my hands dirty on my own cars!
A couple of days ago I started watching the 78 Firebird playlist from the beginning again 👍
Me yelling at you to throw the torque wrench away and tighten things just enough so they don't break. And EVERY time the inlet manifold still cracks! 😫😫😫
Hey man. I watch alot of engine rebuild vids on UA-cam and most of the engines have alot of $ thrown at them. I've never seen one quite like yours but I like it. You get a 👍from me plus a sub. Great vid man, keep up the good work.
Still watching and still loving your content! It’s an incredible journey
Yes! Another episode been waiting to watch something awesome all day
Always happy to be supporting such a great channel
That was a pretty tidy job overall and the JB weld on the outside was a genius move, applying it inside looks uber sketchy though.
Was looking forward for a new episode. Thank you for interesting content!!
Hey, remember that welding outdoors can lead to bad welds if the wind blows away your shielding gas.
Great series, can't wait for the next ep.
He's using flux core wire. No gas
Couldnt you have just gotten an oil pan for a 1970 396 camaro? Same block, same subframe. Cheaper and no leaks!
Beautiful job!
GREAT JOB MAN!! I'm proud of you on this one!! I approve of this oil pan
Bro I give you all the props in the world!!! You're the true definition of a youtuber!!!
Nice job this is becoming one of my favorite series on UA-cam
The second I realized this was a new video I was just like YESSSSS
Imagine it doesn’t fit after all of this or leaking after first start
Then u buy one lol
Nice work! The JB weld alone should be enough to seal any pinholes, I've used it before for just that.
Look in to getting a TIG. For your needs the $200 Hitbox Tig would be great. Works for me anyway.
Nice job on the oil pan
Glad you're back. Keep uploading more. Love your content.
The JB weld will be fine. I've had to repair transmission lines with the stuff and they have yet to leak again.
Doesn’t work with brake lines tho just makes it like a putty
@@nick00work given the pressure in brake lines I wouldn't use it on them to begin with.
If you have an old engine block you can bolt the pan to it helps keep the pan surface from warping
nice oil pan you did a great job
I used JB Weld years ago to seal a welded motorcycle case. Did a lot of research on different epoxies and it was by far the only one that was heat and oil resistant. Worked fine for quite a while.
They did use 455’s in those days,also if you score the line to bend with your cut off wheel it’ll bend nicely and hey it looks lovely.good enough for who it’s for but I would have turn the welded nut the opposite way and the jb weld was right.good job
Good update, looking forward to more.
This looked like a really fun project
Great craftsmanship and video. Thanks for sharing .
Those fluxcore welds look pretty rough - my tip - check if you have your welder set to a correct polarity (DCEN) - that will make it flow way nicer.
Many of the cheaper flux core welders actually put out AC sadly... Makes for a lot of spatter
I tried sealing my coolant reservoir in JB weld, and the heat from that melted it enough so that it continued to leak.
I think that was probably due to the plastic expanding when heated causing the issue. I've used to fix a very leaky oil pan that would have required the engine to be pulled, no issues. Think it works much better on metal.
"Grinder and Paint makes me the welder I aint" - AVE
What about using the grinding wheel to score the bend areas?
The Half-Life 2 “denied” sound effect at 14:03 was perfect!
I'm not a fan of that brand of bedliner. Gasoline will dissolve it in an instant. I don't know how they can even call it a bedliner with its super shitty durability. Hopefully oil won't dissolve it too. Ive also heard thin jb weld won't hold up to heat. I hope nothing flakes off inside the pan over time.. Glad to see more big block updates.
The pan looks good. Hopefully she clears!
Can't believe its been a year since the last 454 video :O. Hope the next batch comes out soon.
What you could do next time is score the bend lines with the angle grinder. This will make it easier to bend and allow a tighter and centralized bend. If you were worried about the piece structurally you can just score bend then weld those scores.
Great Job. Keep it ongoing.
i love this type of videos, the oil pan looks solid for a diy job but I would've cut out the drain hole from the old sump and welded it on, you would've gotten better oil drainage because the hole was even lower but this will work fine i guess
For the oil pan drain, you could cut a piece of sheet metal, weld the nut on it and then weld the sheet at the inside of the pan. So then, you can be sure to drain almost all the oil (and the metal pieces which can get to the bottom of it).
those welds looks good. nothing wrong with them
Brutal , that trunk bed liner …oh man! Ouch.
A little tip for when your bending steel use the grinder and go down your bend or where you want it bent at don’t cut all the way through just enough to we’re you can bend it and depending on how deep you cut it to bend it you might have to run a bead down it
Cant wait for the next episode. Keep up the good work!
Since you weld like me with a cheap flux core welder you should look into anti-slag spray, does wonders with saving time cleaning
Good job well done, JB Weld will be good I’ve had some tractor fuel tank that had some plastic fittings that I could not fix that were leaking slightly and I sanded it all down put some thick two coats of JB Weld on there it’s been almost a year with no leaks
what a beutifull piece of work
I swapped a gen V 454 into my 1981 firebird and use a stock style eBay oil pan off eBay, wasn’t too bad to swap and I never had an issue with the crossmember, however it was a beast to get lined up on the engine mounts so I can understand taking this extra step to save the hassle in the future
these videos make my day. Keep up the good work 😁
Good work! Very impressive
Back in the day I had one of those wide-at-the-bottom gold colored , high-capacity Milodon pans on my dual-quad, blown 454 : )
Use a copper crush washer for the drain plug. I get DIY and cheap..but they cost less than that foam brush so..
When I’m bending I make a small cut to make the bend easier. Then I go back over and put weld in the bend to strengthen it
JB weld inside the oil pan? Wouldnt it just eventually get in the oil? Maybe obstruct an oil line or something
Ready for the next vid!
you should have used water to test, oil is just going to contaminate your weld area.
Bending fact stock steel made easy by scoring the inside of the bend while firming a “V” shape, then come back and braze or lightly weld the bent sides to produce a strong, leak-proof piece. Also, brazing works better than welding where the pieces need to be leak proof.
Good stuff, keep it up!
Useful Tip: use your 4 1/2in cutting wheel to score a line where you want to bend a corner. Scoring a line will help give you a sharper bend.
you know you could've probably bent that way easier if you'd have just applied a small amount of heat. I'm sure you've got a set of torches
6:15 I found the easiest way to do this (without a metal brake) is to use a 6" bench vise and a hammer. Clamp it in the vise, hammer it into shape.
I can relate doing modifications on oil tank for cross members! Do good on welding, we don't want oil mess in front of our motorcycles!
Excellent. Thanks.
Next time if you have a piece of angle iron, hold the sheet metal between the table and angle with clamps.. it’ll make a better “break”. but hey, you did it! As long as the end result is an oil tight pan who cares? Good job.
Don't forget to short the oil dipstick put the recommended quarts in see were it lands on stick shorten at the handle end so full is in middle of hatch again
I for one think it looks beautiful.
If it is sealed, I see no issues with your new design and build. I mean it looks pretty nice and I think it is sealed well. I would have probably gone for a supper finish with smooth surfaces and powder coating. But that is just my OCD. But I think you did good... Thumbs Up!
Oh no!!! The new drain plug is on the side of the oil pan? I sure hope that doesn't cause a massive mess every time you take the plug out and the oil comes shooting out! My Dad's truck has the plug on the side and it's always a disaster when he changes his oil.
That is some nice CAD work
Good job
I went from excited to annoyed waiting for the next video. It’s been a year plus like what happened ?
Keep the project going more videos please
Great job on the pan, I might have heliarced it though for asthetics (TIG welded for you youngins)
Good work!
Next time try POR 15 to coat and seal. Really good stuff. It dries as hard as a rock and really gets into the small holes and is self leveling.
Probably can use a torch and light up the sum in the dark to check for holes/leakage too?
my man is basically building a new car from scratch
You gotta do more of these 😁 great videos