I bought the A&D and a V4 a little over a year ago. Super happy with it. I can't imagine this being that much better for double the price. Especially when you consider having to buy all those extra disks and changing out parts when you switch powders. Maybe it's a little faster, but my v4 is already faster than I can dump the load into a case and seat a bullet, so a little extra speed dropping a charge is meaningless for me. The Sartorious balances are nice, but they are expensive. Not sure nearly three times the price of the A&D is worth +/- .02 grains finer resolution. Either way, had this been around when I was looking, and at more reasonable price, I might have given it a look. With that said, it is a nice bit of kit and if you don't mind the price, I'm sure it'll work plenty well enough.
What you don't have with the V4 is the repeatability and consistency. This is where this unit distinguishes itself from all others. When you change from one powder to another and then back, it saves those settings and will repeat exact
@@ingenuityprecision That's perfect my biggest complaint with the v4 is that if I want to be perfectly precise I get a lot of overthrows. Especially using stick powders.
@@ingenuityprecision so I have to calibrate when I change powders. Takes all of a minute, maybe. V4 is very consistent. Rarely get over or under charges.
@@StuninRub I've had them all and tested and so have 1000's of our customers that bought the powder meter to fix their V4. They are not even on the same level. I wouldn't have sold 1000's of the powder meters if the others worked that well. I would be out of business.
I've owned every version of the AutoTrickler and a SuperTrickler. For the last year I have been using a V3 with the IP trickler. I have found that combo to be the best so far but this new IP trickler looks awesome. Can't wait to get one.
I have a Prometheus and a v4 with A&D setup. But I went ahead and got on the list for this. I see some advantages and think I will upgrade to the better scale than the a&d. it isn’t cheap but cool shit ain’t cheap and cheap shit ain’t cool
John, why do you feel that the Sartorius is a significant upgrade compared to the A&D? I'm trying to decide if the significant price difference is worth the money to me. Thank you.
I have a Prometheus and a v4 with A&D setup. But I went ahead and got on the list for this. I see some advantages and think I will upgrade to the better scale than the a&d. it isn’t cheap but cool shit ain’t cheap and cheap shit ain’t cool
Hey John, really like your videos pal. When are you going to do a critique of the New "LabRadar LX Doppler Radar Chronograph"?? or compare it with the Garmin Xero and Caldwell Velociradar?? That would be great......as always...Thanks for your efforts....
STILL on the waiting list now over a year and sitting with fingers crossed that I will see my order filled before the end of the year {2024}🤞🙏 Have an early Auto Trickler with all the Area 419 upgrades as well as the Ingenuity trickler upgrade {That has really helped speed up things with less over/under throw} so now waiting to go all Ingenuity with the extra pieces to up date my system...
im wanting to upgrade from my chargemaster lite. However i think this set up is more than i want to spend for 100 and 200 yard group.. what would be a good set up but better than the chargemaster lite thanks in advance
Hi John, I have the same entris with a V3 stand alone trickler. To get the setup for the entris you demonstrate in this video, should I order the upgraded system on the ingenuity website ? Dan
Looks a hair slower than my Super Trickler, but seems to get to speed without the fuss. The Super Trickler took a bit of playing around to get it fast.
John was just showing the rude and crude right out of the box and calibrating for each of the powders. He didn't spend any time fine tuning. I can tell you, charges average about 4-8 sec religiously. It drops the bulk charge in about 1/10 of 1 second and trickler does the rest.
I pre-ordered one and planning to switch from V4 Auto. If I’m only shooting one or two different powder, certainly V4 is good enough. But loading 5+ different caliber with all kinds of different powder, V4 can easily get me frustrated. The only concern I have with this one, judged by the previous video, is how easy it is to switch between different powder. Hopefully I can get mine soon and try it out.
That’s awesome. Can’t imagine spending $1500+ on just the scale though. I mean, if you got it, you got it. “Ball out” as the young ones say. I’m still relatively knew but does the other FX scale not have enough granularity for reloading powder? I can imagine if were trying to see the difference between 0.001gr then it’d be worth investing but from the limited info I have on the FX it seems like that should be plenty good enough for the size particles we deal with in reloading. I don’t know. I’m no pro so maybe I’m way off base. Very cool nonetheless. Every time I’ve check the site for this it’s been a $0.00 preorder thing but it never seems to give me a price or date as to when they will start selling them. I imagine there will be a large backlog of orders to get out and could be months before you can easily order one from the site. Will keep eyes out though. 👍🏼
If you click on the options for the preorder it will show you the prices. If you don't get in line on the preorder and are waiting until they show in stock for immediate shipping, it will be next year for you.
@@ingenuityprecision hmm. Must of missed one of the drop downs. Thought I picked an option for all 3 drops down. I’ll have to try again cause I def want one before a year. Thanks for info. 👍🏼
Hey John, I've been on the wait list since last spring, the website says shipping 4th quarter this year, but before that it said late spring 2024. This thing looks awesome, I can't wait to get one, but do you have any insider info on an actual shipping date?
@@FClassJohnhe just keeps pushing the date back. I reached out three days ago and all he said was “still a few months out from delivering”. I get he’s a small business but some word to the customers would go a long way.
Surely someone could take a couple days, "fine tune" each powder and create a simple database with the settings for each powder to be optimal so that on the app you just tap the powder you are dispensing instead of all the calibration / fine-tuning each time? The discs are specific to certain powders anyway, so I assume there has been data captured already?
You only calibrate a powder one time and you save it forever. It only takes about 45 sec to do the calibration. There is just enough difference between your same powder as mine in humidity to make it run slightly different which would require tiny tuning anyways. So no real benefit to a database
Any chance you can show a setup on a creedmoor scale. I’d be looking to get this setup. Creedmoor is a great scale that basically got no support and this is a huge plus. Money aside I am interested.
@@SpudOutdoors This is an older video. The dome would be the new one like I showed in my latest video. I thought you wanted to see how it actually worked, sorry.
@@FClassJohn just wanted to make sure creedmoor scale wasn’t an after thought build unlike the other two scales. Well thought out system. But to the main question how good is it at throwing that lower weight range. 26-34 grains.
I logged a preorder in January .. have been waiting with bated breath ever since . Began sending a "whine" email every month since May asking for status ... getting very prompt return emails say shipping delayed ... delayed .. but now the end is in sight ... Here hoping my orders is an early one... so damn tired of the RCBS MatchMaster over-throws.. Question: If I grovel hard enough can I get moved up in line? ;-)
Don't be intimidated. There's nothing to it and if you need help I usually call everyone that sends me an email. I would rather speak to a person than email. It's faster for me when I'm in the shop floor so much.
@@joemass1023 I waste soooooo much time dumping initial charge by hand and trickling the final charge by hand. It’s my least favorite part of reloading.
@@smolaman83 Absolutely not! That's the beauty of the disk trickler. It can only drop a kernel of powder when the notch in the disk is over the drop hole as it rotates. This is how it does not overcharge
@@ingenuityprecision Exactly as you say, I have that upgrade to my original Auto Trickler and it is WAY better than the rotating tube of the original setup.. Faster and less subject to over/under throw! Now just waiting for my "Pre-Order" to come to the top of the list so that I can have the whole platform...
@@ingenuityprecision I use mainly AR2208 and AR2209 - 223, 6.5, 308 - with some of the charges i use at the moment - say - 22.8 - I’ll accept 22.8 or 22.78 - -but not 22.82 - as the ES and SD get larger that tiny bit over 22.8 - thankyou for your reply here from Australia 🇦🇺
@@bluekats777 The reason I said what I said is that a lot of people do not understand that if the particular powder is say .02-.04gr in average size with some variance between them that it can be impossible to get exact 22.78-22.8 every charge. The powder kernels have to be consistent in their size. If they are then you could set the acceptability to 0.0 and it will finish each charge to exact
@@bluekats777 Yea, my tested N570 is more like .08gr per ea. A lot of powders from VV and Alliant are very inconsistent in kernel size. They are same diameter but vary in length a lot in the same jug. I tell people loading these powders that realistically you should be +/- an average kernels weight of these powders.
With all the exposed wires it still looks like a prototype to me. I couldn't handle the mess. Edit: On second thought I could learn to live with the wires.
@@gixxerjunky I do like how the IPS grabs powder it is probably much more controlled than the spiral chute systems. I'm definitely impressed with it's performance.
Love that he added the red and green lights to show the status of a drop. Can’t wait to get notified that mine will be shipping. My other trickers might be going up for sale. 😃 Can you set what the tolerance can be or is it set to +- .02?
Oh my, this again. I got tired of waiting for this. Then when I found out the price was going to be WAY TOO MUCH. I just built my own for WAY less money. WAY freaking over priced!! Hell, it cost way more than the A&D scale it sits on! PASS!!!
I bought the A&D and a V4 a little over a year ago. Super happy with it. I can't imagine this being that much better for double the price. Especially when you consider having to buy all those extra disks and changing out parts when you switch powders. Maybe it's a little faster, but my v4 is already faster than I can dump the load into a case and seat a bullet, so a little extra speed dropping a charge is meaningless for me.
The Sartorious balances are nice, but they are expensive. Not sure nearly three times the price of the A&D is worth +/- .02 grains finer resolution.
Either way, had this been around when I was looking, and at more reasonable price, I might have given it a look.
With that said, it is a nice bit of kit and if you don't mind the price, I'm sure it'll work plenty well enough.
What you don't have with the V4 is the repeatability and consistency. This is where this unit distinguishes itself from all others. When you change from one powder to another and then back, it saves those settings and will repeat exact
@@ingenuityprecision That's perfect my biggest complaint with the v4 is that if I want to be perfectly precise I get a lot of overthrows. Especially using stick powders.
@@ingenuityprecision so I have to calibrate when I change powders. Takes all of a minute, maybe. V4 is very consistent. Rarely get over or under charges.
@ingenuityprecision It is literally the same level of repeatability and consistency, the v4 is just slower.
@@StuninRub I've had them all and tested and so have 1000's of our customers that bought the powder meter to fix their V4. They are not even on the same level. I wouldn't have sold 1000's of the powder meters if the others worked that well. I would be out of business.
Around a 6 to 7 seconds a throw with that accuracy is incredible
Thank you John for the detailed walk thru. I’m waiting for mine. I thought I was in the first batch, but I’m not sure. Hopefully it ships soon.
I've owned every version of the AutoTrickler and a SuperTrickler. For the last year I have been using a V3 with the IP trickler. I have found that combo to be the best so far but this new IP trickler looks awesome. Can't wait to get one.
I love that it is able to use different scales, that imo is the drawback of the v4.
Time for a throw-down! Bring out the Auto and the Super!
Great - hope to be within the 1st batch, I placed my preorder as soon as it was up. My scales are ready :-)
My little RCBS 750 Rangemaster is still going strong 😂 Still gets me 1/4 MOA results and better. But man this setup is sweet!
Not convinced this is worth replacing my autotrickler V4 which works perfectly when calibrated.
If you load one powder then you are good to go
I love it but its not worth the $ to change from my autotrickler v4
Can not wait for this and my Sartorious to ship.
I have a Prometheus and a v4 with A&D setup. But I went ahead and got on the list for this. I see some advantages and think I will upgrade to the better scale than the a&d. it isn’t cheap but cool shit ain’t cheap and cheap shit ain’t cool
John, why do you feel that the Sartorius is a significant upgrade compared to the A&D? I'm trying to decide if the significant price difference is worth the money to me. Thank you.
I run the ingenuity trickler with my auto trickler Gen 3. Works like a charm. The ingenuity trickler is life changing.
I have a Prometheus and a v4 with A&D setup. But I went ahead and got on the list for this. I see some advantages and think I will upgrade to the better scale than the a&d. it isn’t cheap but cool shit ain’t cheap and cheap shit ain’t cool
It would be nice if you could actually get one
Super excited for this. I preordered in December so just waiting it out.
Prefer the controllers because I have 3 setups. Excited to get something that won't spew powder everywhere
Serial connectors? Stepper connectors not shielded? Its 80s design!!
Hey John, really like your videos pal. When are you going to do a critique of the New "LabRadar LX Doppler Radar Chronograph"?? or compare it with the Garmin Xero and Caldwell Velociradar?? That would be great......as always...Thanks for your efforts....
Seems like the release has been pushed back a lot. Is this being released by a company or a single person? And what kind of support would this have?
So, I'm still keeping my Prometheus?
STILL on the waiting list now over a year and sitting with fingers crossed that I will see my order filled before the end of the year {2024}🤞🙏
Have an early Auto Trickler with all the Area 419 upgrades as well as the Ingenuity trickler upgrade {That has really helped speed up things with less over/under throw} so now waiting to go all Ingenuity with the extra pieces to up date my system...
Loving the new format John, keep up the fine work. Looking forward to mine arriving in New Zealand
Thank you for the kind words.
What is the tray that holds the cases and bullets? Where can I get one?
im wanting to upgrade from my chargemaster lite. However i think this set up is more than i want to spend for 100 and 200 yard group.. what would be a good set up but better than the chargemaster lite
thanks in advance
Hi John, I have the same entris with a V3 stand alone trickler. To get the setup for the entris you demonstrate in this video, should I order the upgraded system on the ingenuity website ?
Dan
I’d love to see a side by side comparison to the SuperTrickler. Great content, love the videos!
I don't have these systems.. someday i hope. But awesome video! love watching the how to videos, definitely helps MY understandings
Can’t wait till my days of throwing with an RCBS powder thrower and hand trickling up on my A&D are over. Looking forward to the day mine ships
First!
itr is sad that you have stooped to a marketing source. I expected more from you,
Looks a hair slower than my Super Trickler, but seems to get to speed without the fuss. The Super Trickler took a bit of playing around to get it fast.
John was just showing the rude and crude right out of the box and calibrating for each of the powders. He didn't spend any time fine tuning. I can tell you, charges average about 4-8 sec religiously. It drops the bulk charge in about 1/10 of 1 second and trickler does the rest.
The keypad looks like something from the 80’s 😂
You mean something that probably still works? LOL
@@ingenuityprecision do you have a ETA on when they will start shipping?
And I’m over here snapping pencil powder in my uniflow. The struggle is real.
I preordered in March. Looking forward to receive it but told not to expect it till this fall.
I pre-ordered one and planning to switch from V4 Auto. If I’m only shooting one or two different powder, certainly V4 is good enough. But loading 5+ different caliber with all kinds of different powder, V4 can easily get me frustrated. The only concern I have with this one, judged by the previous video, is how easy it is to switch between different powder. Hopefully I can get mine soon and try it out.
Promise you it is easier and cleaner from powder to powder than anything you have ever used
John any Idea when he is going to release it
He's hoping the first batches go out end of August.
@@FClassJohn Ty 🤞Hoping I’m on it
That’s awesome. Can’t imagine spending $1500+ on just the scale though. I mean, if you got it, you got it. “Ball out” as the young ones say. I’m still relatively knew but does the other FX scale not have enough granularity for reloading powder? I can imagine if were trying to see the difference between 0.001gr then it’d be worth investing but from the limited info I have on the FX it seems like that should be plenty good enough for the size particles we deal with in reloading. I don’t know. I’m no pro so maybe I’m way off base. Very cool nonetheless. Every time I’ve check the site for this it’s been a $0.00 preorder thing but it never seems to give me a price or date as to when they will start selling them. I imagine there will be a large backlog of orders to get out and could be months before you can easily order one from the site. Will keep eyes out though. 👍🏼
If you click on the options for the preorder it will show you the prices. If you don't get in line on the preorder and are waiting until they show in stock for immediate shipping, it will be next year for you.
@@ingenuityprecision hmm. Must of missed one of the drop downs. Thought I picked an option for all 3 drops down. I’ll have to try again cause I def want one before a year. Thanks for info. 👍🏼
Hey John, I've been on the wait list since last spring, the website says shipping 4th quarter this year, but before that it said late spring 2024. This thing looks awesome, I can't wait to get one, but do you have any insider info on an actual shipping date?
Wish I could help. Last I heard was same as everyone else. He was shooting for near end of August, first of September release.
@@FClassJohnhe just keeps pushing the date back. I reached out three days ago and all he said was “still a few months out from delivering”. I get he’s a small business but some word to the customers would go a long way.
Surely someone could take a couple days, "fine tune" each powder and create a simple database with the settings for each powder to be optimal so that on the app you just tap the powder you are dispensing instead of all the calibration / fine-tuning each time? The discs are specific to certain powders anyway, so I assume there has been data captured already?
You only calibrate a powder one time and you save it forever. It only takes about 45 sec to do the calibration. There is just enough difference between your same powder as mine in humidity to make it run slightly different which would require tiny tuning anyways. So no real benefit to a database
@@ingenuityprecision That makes sense! Thanks for the reply!
would love to know cost
$995 without scale.
$995 + $95-$125 (for draft shield to fit your scale) = $1090 - $1120 + 10% for the big guy = ~$1200
WHAT IS THE WEIGHT TOLERANCE
is it +/- .02?
You can set it to what ever you want
Any chance you can show a setup on a creedmoor scale. I’d be looking to get this setup. Creedmoor is a great scale that basically got no support and this is a huge plus. Money aside I am interested.
Here ya go, it's part of this video ua-cam.com/video/LTkeruS0mqE/v-deo.html
@@FClassJohn I hope he upgraded the draft dome as well for the creedmoor. So how good is it at the 26-34 grain range. I do a lot of Grendel cases.
@@SpudOutdoors This is an older video. The dome would be the new one like I showed in my latest video. I thought you wanted to see how it actually worked, sorry.
@@FClassJohn just wanted to make sure creedmoor scale wasn’t an after thought build unlike the other two scales. Well thought out system. But to the main question how good is it at throwing that lower weight range. 26-34 grains.
I logged a preorder in January .. have been waiting with bated breath ever since .
Began sending a "whine" email every month since May asking for status ... getting very prompt return emails say shipping delayed ... delayed .. but now the end is in sight ... Here hoping my orders is an early one... so damn tired of the RCBS MatchMaster over-throws.. Question: If I grovel hard enough can I get moved up in line? ;-)
Wich sartorious to get?
Honestly if you can find a deal on the last generation one they're just fine but the new one with the touch screen is awesome. amzn.to/4czWxQQ
Have you done something to your hair?
No but I hate my hair so I always wear hats. It's rare I'm not in one but because of how I filmed this one I needed to take it off.
@@FClassJohn You've come a long way, for a guy that wouldn't show his mug on camera.
@@davecollins6113 Thank you 🤗
I really want to get an auto setup like this but I’m pretty intimidated by the whole set up process.
It's really not that bad. People turn it into a science experiment it doesn't need to be. Jump in.
Don't be intimidated. There's nothing to it and if you need help I usually call everyone that sends me an email. I would rather speak to a person than email. It's faster for me when I'm in the shop floor so much.
@@joemass1023 I have the A&D EJ-123 scale so I would have to see if this setup is compatible. I just got the scale and don’t want to change it.
@@joemass1023 I waste soooooo much time dumping initial charge by hand and trickling the final charge by hand. It’s my least favorite part of reloading.
@@sstevens7 sorry no go on that scale
No, white, working LED to see if theres a kernel left on the platen???
The actual production platen for the A&D will be white or machined aluminum. You are too used to shitty cups causing that problem. This is different!
Ok. I also bump a AT v3 trickle tube once in awhile, which drops kernels. This wouldnt happen here as well?? @@ingenuityprecision
@@smolaman83 Absolutely not! That's the beauty of the disk trickler. It can only drop a kernel of powder when the notch in the disk is over the drop hole as it rotates. This is how it does not overcharge
@@ingenuityprecisionGood thing Ive got a deposit on it
@@ingenuityprecision Exactly as you say, I have that upgrade to my original Auto Trickler and it is WAY better than the rotating tube of the original setup.. Faster and less subject to over/under throw! Now just waiting for my "Pre-Order" to come to the top of the list so that I can have the whole platform...
Can you dial in something like 45.65?
You can set the charge weight to whatever you want. How close you achieve that will depend on the size and consistency of those kernels you are using
@@ingenuityprecision I use mainly AR2208 and AR2209 - 223, 6.5, 308 - with some of the charges i use at the moment - say - 22.8 - I’ll accept 22.8 or 22.78 - -but not 22.82 - as the ES and SD get larger that tiny bit over 22.8 - thankyou for your reply here from Australia 🇦🇺
@@bluekats777 The reason I said what I said is that a lot of people do not understand that if the particular powder is say .02-.04gr in average size with some variance between them that it can be impossible to get exact 22.78-22.8 every charge. The powder kernels have to be consistent in their size. If they are then you could set the acceptability to 0.0 and it will finish each charge to exact
@@ingenuityprecision oh yeah…. For sure - I think john explained that well with the heavy powder being at .06 per grain 👍
@@bluekats777 Yea, my tested N570 is more like .08gr per ea. A lot of powders from VV and Alliant are very inconsistent in kernel size. They are same diameter but vary in length a lot in the same jug.
I tell people loading these powders that realistically you should be +/- an average kernels weight of these powders.
With all the exposed wires it still looks like a prototype to me. I couldn't handle the mess. Edit: On second thought I could learn to live with the wires.
Waiting for my order is ready email....
When the f is it going to ship to the rest of us peons?
This or the V4 Auto?
This 100%
While I'd love to see a side-by-side comparison, the V4Auto is less than half the price of the IPS.
@@whitesturgeon When this comes out you will be able to pick up a V4 for half price. People will be dumping them like crazy.
@@gixxerjunky I do like how the IPS grabs powder it is probably much more controlled than the spiral chute systems. I'm definitely impressed with it's performance.
@@gixxerjunky if it ever ship. I might just get the V4. a 5 in your bed beats a 10 in your head.
Love that he added the red and green lights to show the status of a drop. Can’t wait to get notified that mine will be shipping. My other trickers might be going up for sale. 😃 Can you set what the tolerance can be or is it set to +- .02?
You can set the start and end tolerances to what ever you want.
You can set the start and end tolerances to what ever you want
Nice!
John demonstrates at the very end it's adjustable.
Oh my, this again. I got tired of waiting for this. Then when I found out the price was going to be WAY TOO MUCH. I just built my own for WAY less money. WAY freaking over priced!! Hell, it cost way more than the A&D scale it sits on! PASS!!!
@@none_your_bees_wax Because you can't doesn't mean I didn't.
@@Rico11byou didn’t build anything close to what this can do.
@@NCETRY Whateva haters... Mine is only for me. Don't hate the player, hate the game. Or do hate the player, I don't care.
CAP, as the cool kids say.
@@whitesturgeon Now you guys are just boring me.