Chakotay was in the maquis so he no doubt saw many dead people that were under his command. Plus Fed officers are extensively trained in composure during conflict. There's time to grieve later, not during a conflict.
Janeway gave off a sharp sigh, one of sadness, disappointment, and exasperation at their current situation, and her inability to deal with it and prevent more needless crew deaths.
This 2 parter is my fave Voyager episodes for sure. Such an intruiging use of time manipulation warfare and a sympathetic villain and putting Voyager through... hell... for the first time in a long time... until the reset button was hit.
randomrazr, I believe the UPN suits put the kibosh on those intentions, IIRC. By the way, does the handle refer to your being a BSG fan? If so, nicely done.
Would be amazing, and if you don’t have to hit the boring ass reset button at the end of the episode you get even more opportunities to unique to Voyager storytelling. Leave the ship damaged, use a alien dry dock from one of the new allies from this episode, do episodes and missions away from the ship while it’s being repaired. So much you could do.
This was supposed to be a season-long story arc, and it probably would have been awesome; too bad Berman lacked the cajones to see it through. Thank goodness Ira Behr and Ron Moore managed to keep the Dominion War going for two full years on DS9, instead of the six-episode span they were originally going to get.
Ira Beher stealth produced The later seasons of DS9 and right up lied to Berman to allow his vision to unfold. But yeah Berman was furious when he seen the Finshed episodes. Berman had tight reins on Voyager so they wouldn’t have got away with it on Voyager
He made the correct call as disappointing as it may have been. The moment the words "temporal weapons" are spoken you immediately know this is a time episode and immediately you become less invested in everyone's outcome. You know no matter who dies it will all be fixed with the wave of a magic wand in the last minute. the ONLY way they could have made a year of hell season work is if they had lasting consequences. Today I could see them doing that. Today networks don't have reservations with killing off main cast members. Game of Thrones changed the rules of the game. But back then it was rare to kill off characters. They could have at least made the year of hell more than TWO episodes. 3 or 4 would have been awesome.
@@FablestoneSeries That's exactly right. It would have been off-premise, which means it would have alienated the audience Voyager had at this point, with no guarantee that the audience that would have liked a season-long year of hell arc would have gotten word of it soon enough to tune in. The dominion war was a gamble in terms of tone, but it at least still fit the overall premise of DS9 that had been all about political tensions right from the start. The year of hell would have not fitted Voyager, which up until this point had seldom suffered real losses or faced real adversity.
Year of Hell really deserved a whole season, and I honestly think the only reason it didn't get a whole season is because Garret Wang agreed not to leave the show if he got some episodes based around him. Man literally died twice in the shows run. But originally he was supposed to die permanently in Year of Hell and the whole season would be about them losing crew and struggling to survive which would have leant so much credence to the Equinox encounter where Janeway chastizes the equinox captain and crew for turning their backs on their principles just to cheat their way home. And he rightly counters that Voyager was larger, had more resources and was fully operational. But if Voyager instead had spent all of season 4 getting piece by piece ripped apart and then when they met the equinox in season 5, the ship was still in the process of being put back together with a skeleton crew, Janeway would have had much more weight to her argument AND the equinox could have introduced new characters much more easily instead of 3 crewman whom I dont think we saw ever again.
It didn't. Why? What should be interesting in fighting an enemy that by themselves also don't know what's going on, as they don't know anything about the time ship themselves anymore? In the end it would just have been 26 episodes where after one episode the outcome would have always been that the race Voyager was working together now would have been deleted by the time ship and vanished... BORING.
It wasn’t Wang’s decision to leave. He never wanted to leave. It was Paramount’s decisions to keep him after he was pronounced one of sexiest men alive. But before that, he was supposed to be axed to make room for Seven of Nine. When Wang became sexy so to speak, they got rid of Kes instead.
…The Year of Hell… I so much liked this one and I felt it could literally be turned into a year of episodes fighting this new threat. I will miss this ‘Year’ and the other…’Think Tank’. 😔😔
Random Extra: "They're firing at us Captain!" Janeway: "Thanks Ensing Obvious! Now off you go before I devour you for my afternoon snack!" *Tuvok rolls eyes*
In short yes. Would you like a longer explanation? To keep from potentially boring you, it's the intertial dampeners not quiet canceling out the kinetic force of the weapons impact. Meaning, the shaking would be far worse, potentially even fatal if the inertial dampeners were to go completely offline during a fire fight. You know how the blast from an explosion doesn't have to hit you hard enough to kill you, just change enough in the soft stuff to mess you up? It's the same idea.
Its funny cuz before this there was the episode where kes was living her lif in reverse and told them about the Krenim and the Chronoton Torpedo. One would think they would remember since u know....she told them exactly WHEN THEY would encounter the Krenim. Only difference is kes flung them 95000 lightyears closer to them when she "ascended" so the time table to encounter them jumped up.
What I find interesting is that we see three different versions of the Krenim Captain. First we see him when he has a small underpowered ship making empty threats and being unreasonable. The second just as aggressive but more confident and with a powerful ship. The third at the end he is just as willing to defend his territory but reasonable enough to let them leave. So this last version is in the middle ground. Really shows you how different one individual can be in different timelines.
@@MiguelAJeffery He did let them go in the third timeline, though he didn't fire upon them or make threats, while letting them leave Krenim space. I call that being reasonable.
One thing that doesn't make sense is Voyager's position after the shockwave hits. Now, obviously, for story telling purposes, the ship is 4 days into Krenim space. But the show explains that the wave effects all space and all time, past, present, and future. By erasing the Zahl home world, Voyager wouldn't have entered Krenim space, nor would they be that far into it. This is reinforced by the fact that by the end of this story line, we end up back at the beginning where Voyager meets the same Krenim captain and he waves them off. Janeway would have gone around in this timeline at the first signs of trouble/weapons fire.
4:09 Janeway: “All hands, battle stations!” Tuvok: “Captain we are already at Red Alert, with shields raised, weapons charged, in combat with an enemy vessel.” Chakotay: “Dammit Kathryn did you attend any classes at the academy, or just hang out with that gardener all day?” Kim: “Goddamn nepo babies…” Paris: “Hey!”
Just red alert is different than battlestations. Red alert is a simple alarm that the ship is in danger. Could be due to space anomaly, an imminent collision, or an ion storm. Battlestations is specifically telling the crew to prepare for combat, with incoming weapons and possibly intruders to look out for.
@@TheZeroAssassin They we’re already looking at a 70+ year journey, adding a few more years to avoid dying by trespassing through someone else’s backyard seems a might antithetical to their plans.
I don't recall the episodes in detail (time for a rewatch I thnk), but in this clip we first see Voyager being welcomed through the territory by people who seem to be the rightful owners of it, and Janeway just starts getting a hint of the ongoing territory dispute before time changes. Then we see the Krenim attacking mercilessly and refusing to respond to hails, so Janeway had no way to know where their territory even is so she couldn't avoid it.
Wish we would have seen more of the Krenim. Especially Anorax Not sure if that's his name. Of course he's known more for That 70s Show. Always liked him.
I like how they foreshadowed them in that one episode where kes was moving thru time Also this is how voyager should've appeared at the end.. not like it rolled out of the space dock
@@randomrazr Apparently the reason was because Annorax was altering the timeline so much that it affected Voyager's knowledge about the Krenim when Kes warned them about them.
Bridge crew: "Didn't Kes warn us about the Krenim?" Janeway: "Kes? Kes who? I hate bullies so much that I'd rather risk everyone's lives rather than heed the warning to stay out of this space"
Kes left after Seven arrived, she never got to experience that future. Effectively the episode Before and After never happened once she left Voyager. How Voyager came to meet the Krenim in the right place and time 10,000 light years later after Kes had enabled that "jump" is a paradox in itself. Maybe Voyager originally gave the Borg the nanoprobe tech to defeat 8472 in exchange for as long as Voyager could last in a transwarp conduit...
@@tomv5988, Well, since in the revised timeline that we were presented with at the end of Part 2, the Krenim didn't perceive Voyager with malice and consequently, let them proceed, our stalwarts continued travels would have plausibly taken any further such storylines, out of the range of the showrunners' (and writers') attention.
Fairly certain invading another soverign powers space just because they can't defend themselves is completely against Federation and Star Fleet regulations. Also the name Krenim should be setting off red alerts immediately given they had foreknowledge of them courtesy of Kes.
I think honestly it was the right call to make it a 2 parter, if it was all reset after a whole season, the comments here would be about how much of a waste it was just to end with a time reset like nothing happened.
The "KRENIM" were a technologically-advance species from the Delta Quadrant. The Krenim government was called the Krenim Imperium. At 98% restoration, the Krenim Imperium of 2374 was composed of over two hundred star systems, nine hundred planets, and thousands of warp-capable vessels spread out over five thousand parsecs.
I'm wondering if this is a trait shared by all Federation Captains when cut off from the rest of the Fleet. Janeway had a chance to turn around and go around Krenam space but out of stubbornness, Pride or just pure desperation she decided to take Voyager straight through which basically got them all killed. Captain Ransom of the Equinox did the exact same thing against the Patronen Guard? Which cost him half his crew before meeting Voyager.
Personally, I would have absolutely LOVED to see how the Krenim would have tried (emphasis on the word TRIED) to respond if their 'Temporal Manipulations' had been encountered by the Borg and then the Borg adapted and became impervious to it. I can just imagine the Krenim essentially quoting Commander Data and saying: "ooohh SHIT!!" Hahaha. Just my opinion anyway.
I dont think borg could have adapted to it. The krenim most likely would have calculated the creation of the borg, and changed the time line from there.
IMO, This was the point where the whole series could have been elevated to legendary if they had kept all the progression and character development made in this storyline. But in typical Star Trek fashion, everything and everyone went back to normal by the end and the ship was in tip top shape for the following episode...
Inside Voyager was a temporary device from the 28th century to destroy Voyager. Season 5 episode 24 Relativity. This device is not affected by the temporal change. When Voyager adapts to the temporal weapons, when it interacts with the temporal shockwave, the device synchronizes, causing time to return to the beginning of the chapter. ua-cam.com/video/zd0MJQNa858/v-deo.html
Jamie, I like the color of the Krenim Warships. The ship did not look that big. Some of the Cardassian ships look bigger then Krenim Warships. I think the warship should have look like the Imperial Star Destroyer. I wish that Star Trek Voyager did another episode on the Zahi. It would be nice to ship the inside of the ship. The ship looked like a good size. It was a little small then Voyager. I like the design of the ship. How about you?
@@April-dv2pb I really really like the designs of all of the alien starships from this EPIC two-parter "The Year of Hell". The Zahl Heavy Cruisers for example have a very impressive, very friendly looking, and also a very sleek look to them that's almost but not quite Romulan/mixed with Andorian style design.
@@April-dv2pb I do remember that ship (Even though I have never even watched that movie before in my life) You should also definitely check out the really sleek and beautifully well detailed Human and Alien Spaceship designs from "Space Battleship Yamato" franchise. BTW... Here's the EPIC opening Space Battle scene from the 2009 anime film "Space Battleship Yamato: Resurrection", where the pure evil SUS Empire attacks and destroys an Earth Federation Emmigration Fleet, led by Earth Flagship "Blue Noah": ua-cam.com/video/3SAQdnMHxuc/v-deo.html ).
often thought when watching voyager what would the journey home of been like if they weren't is a small class of ship and were is something like a sovereign class lol. it would have been a quite show since most thing would have just turned the other way lol.
The entire Voyager Series should have been like this. No way one federation ship could be reset at the beginning of every episode like it was brand new.
@@NaesGalaxy Voyager, like most other bigger starfleet vessels, has access to industrial replicators. Apart from certain compononents like anti matter and deuterium crystals they can replicate anything given enough energy. Still, effort could have been made to ensure continuity and have some damage be mentioned in episodes later that repairs are still underway and such
@@NaesGalaxy It has been mentioned. I'm in the middle of rewatching season 3 and Paris just said that part of the ship could use some of ? (don't remember exact words) after 2 years of the damage they've taken and always talking about maintenance that is due like scrubbing the warp plasma conduits and such.
Well early episodes did make an issue of counting resources and acting like they were getting lower. After a few mentions it got dropped. Federation ships have replicators tho. No reason they can't keep themselves repaired. Would just take more time than a dedicated facility.
In reality, the Krenim captain wouldn't exist in either 3 timelines. A large empire means more people are reproducing vs a small empire means less people are reproducing. Not to mention, the various wars the Krenim would fight or diseases they encounter would change the population stats based upon who gets killed or not. People meet at the right place, right time. Interrupt that, even for a few seconds, and life changing consequences would happen. I do get the point of the episode, though. And it was fun to see the actor/character on how his demeanor would be in different timelines. After all, it is a tv show. 😉
@@krane15It's called logic, dude. We're talking about population dynamics on a massive scale over a period of 200+ years. What evidence do you have that he would exist? Time to use your critical thinking skills.
"This is turning into the week of hell..." "Turning _into"?_ Didn't you start the scene with a dead crewman on the bridge? If that's been going on for a week already then saying it's "turning into" a bad week seems so... callous.
Might have been a good concept and what Voyager should have been like from the start with the appreciation for diminishing resources without resupplies affecting the ship. Instead Voyager decided they could throw away torpedoes, shuttles and magically get them back every episode because the "reset button" exists. Just like the end of this story. This episode is sadly stupid with even a bit of thought. Why would Voyager be in the same position in the new timeline when the conditions are so different ? Voyager would have advance warning they are going to be entering the territory of a race that do no take kindly to their borders being violated so Janeway acting the victim is stupid. Voyager would also know they have a lot more firepower so flying into their space without permission is terminally stupid. Pull the same stunt with the Romulans or Klingons... you expect them to ask "nicely" for you to leave rather than murder you ?
Here is where I stopped watching Star Trek. Since the command was to continue course, while ignoring the sovereignty of a n opposing species. Typical power play without respect. Even when you have better weapons and defensive measures, no need to go against a non threat and ignore their rights.
“Unless you’ve got something bigger in your torpedo tubes”
😂 gets me every time
It feels like a weirdly personal comment doesn't it :D
One minute of screen time, or four days and a temporal wave later...
The Krenim, have something bigger in their torpedo tubes.
And the way Chakotay's head turned like "Bish, whaaat?" He wanted to laugh so bad 😂
I mean she isn't afraid to size-shame Q. Random Krenim scout-ship didn't stand a chance!
3:02 Chakotay just casually walking to a fallen comrade and announcing that she's dead. Janeway couldn't look less bothered either. 🤣
she almost gave an annoyed sigh.
Actually if you look closely I think she did “sigh”
Chakotay was in the maquis so he no doubt saw many dead people that were under his command. Plus Fed officers are extensively trained in composure during conflict. There's time to grieve later, not during a conflict.
Janeway gave off a sharp sigh, one of sadness, disappointment, and exasperation at their current situation, and her inability to deal with it and prevent more needless crew deaths.
@@fawziekefli2273I agree
lol good ole Janeway
“Leave now this is our territory!”
Janeway: naw I’m good thanks
This 2 parter is my fave Voyager episodes for sure. Such an intruiging use of time manipulation warfare and a sympathetic villain and putting Voyager through... hell... for the first time in a long time... until the reset button was hit.
And Voyager showed lasting damage.
This is one of my all-time favorite stories in Voyager. As well as the regular cast, Kurtwood Smith was amazing too.
Its OK, but a little dark for my taste. Although the complexity of the story does add to the drama.
@@krane15Apparently it was originally intended to be a season-long storyline.
would have been a stellar season if they followed a WHOLE season of year of hell as originally planed instead of 2 episodes.
The lack of lasting consequences is a bit too episodic.
randomrazr, I believe the UPN suits put the kibosh on those intentions, IIRC.
By the way, does the handle refer to your being a BSG fan? If so, nicely done.
@@DukeofEarl yeah... you can't do a whole season of this and then say that nothing has really happened
Pm 9
Would be amazing, and if you don’t have to hit the boring ass reset button at the end of the episode you get even more opportunities to unique to Voyager storytelling. Leave the ship damaged, use a alien dry dock from one of the new allies from this episode, do episodes and missions away from the ship while it’s being repaired. So much you could do.
This was supposed to be a season-long story arc, and it probably would have been awesome; too bad Berman lacked the cajones to see it through. Thank goodness Ira Behr and Ron Moore managed to keep the Dominion War going for two full years on DS9, instead of the six-episode span they were originally going to get.
Ira Beher stealth produced The later seasons of DS9 and right up lied to Berman to allow his vision to unfold. But yeah Berman was furious when he seen the Finshed episodes. Berman had tight reins on Voyager so they wouldn’t have got away with it on Voyager
He made the correct call as disappointing as it may have been. The moment the words "temporal weapons" are spoken you immediately know this is a time episode and immediately you become less invested in everyone's outcome. You know no matter who dies it will all be fixed with the wave of a magic wand in the last minute. the ONLY way they could have made a year of hell season work is if they had lasting consequences. Today I could see them doing that. Today networks don't have reservations with killing off main cast members. Game of Thrones changed the rules of the game. But back then it was rare to kill off characters. They could have at least made the year of hell more than TWO episodes. 3 or 4 would have been awesome.
@@FablestoneSeries That's exactly right. It would have been off-premise, which means it would have alienated the audience Voyager had at this point, with no guarantee that the audience that would have liked a season-long year of hell arc would have gotten word of it soon enough to tune in.
The dominion war was a gamble in terms of tone, but it at least still fit the overall premise of DS9 that had been all about political tensions right from the start. The year of hell would have not fitted Voyager, which up until this point had seldom suffered real losses or faced real adversity.
I thought this as well, as a two parter it was so damn rushed and could've been a fabulous even 5 parter.
There was a lack of drawers?
Year of Hell really deserved a whole season, and I honestly think the only reason it didn't get a whole season is because Garret Wang agreed not to leave the show if he got some episodes based around him. Man literally died twice in the shows run. But originally he was supposed to die permanently in Year of Hell and the whole season would be about them losing crew and struggling to survive which would have leant so much credence to the Equinox encounter where Janeway chastizes the equinox captain and crew for turning their backs on their principles just to cheat their way home. And he rightly counters that Voyager was larger, had more resources and was fully operational. But if Voyager instead had spent all of season 4 getting piece by piece ripped apart and then when they met the equinox in season 5, the ship was still in the process of being put back together with a skeleton crew, Janeway would have had much more weight to her argument AND the equinox could have introduced new characters much more easily instead of 3 crewman whom I dont think we saw ever again.
It didn't. Why? What should be interesting in fighting an enemy that by themselves also don't know what's going on, as they don't know anything about the time ship themselves anymore? In the end it would just have been 26 episodes where after one episode the outcome would have always been that the race Voyager was working together now would have been deleted by the time ship and vanished... BORING.
It wasn’t Wang’s decision to leave. He never wanted to leave. It was Paramount’s decisions to keep him after he was pronounced one of sexiest men alive. But before that, he was supposed to be axed to make room for Seven of Nine. When Wang became sexy so to speak, they got rid of Kes instead.
@@acmenipponair youre extrapolating the episode out to a season. It obviously would have been rewritten to not include a time wipe of everything
Never mess with Kathryn Janeway she does not take kindly to threats
Lol shields down to 17% and then calls for battle stations?
Captain Janeway doesn't respond to threats, she doesn't take any crap either!!! 🖖🖖
…The Year of Hell… I so much liked this one and I felt it could literally be turned into a year of episodes fighting this new threat. I will miss this ‘Year’ and the other…’Think Tank’. 😔😔
It almost was. The Year of Hell was supposed to be a full season, but got reduced to a 2 parter. Can't remember where I read that.
Imagine the Krenim encountering the Think Tank! I'd love to see that episode.
Random Extra: "They're firing at us Captain!"
Janeway: "Thanks Ensing Obvious! Now off you go before I devour you for my afternoon snack!"
*Tuvok rolls eyes*
This was one of the best stories in the series.
Considering how the whole "Year of Hell" story played out, I think the Krenim is as close as Star Trek ever got to having Daleks.
Was a great story and well acted out
"they pose no threat"
*bridge shakes from a hit*
Does every hit by anything shake ships?
In short yes.
Would you like a longer explanation?
To keep from potentially boring you, it's the intertial dampeners not quiet canceling out the kinetic force of the weapons impact. Meaning, the shaking would be far worse, potentially even fatal if the inertial dampeners were to go completely offline during a fire fight.
You know how the blast from an explosion doesn't have to hit you hard enough to kill you, just change enough in the soft stuff to mess you up? It's the same idea.
Roga Danar's escape pod (or whatever it was) didn't shake the _Enterprise-D_ upon hitting her shields.
0:42 That’s what she said!
Its funny cuz before this there was the episode where kes was living her lif in reverse and told them about the Krenim and the Chronoton Torpedo. One would think they would remember since u know....she told them exactly WHEN THEY would encounter the Krenim. Only difference is kes flung them 95000 lightyears closer to them when she "ascended" so the time table to encounter them jumped up.
What I find interesting is that we see three different versions of the Krenim Captain. First we see him when he has a small underpowered ship making empty threats and being unreasonable. The second just as aggressive but more confident and with a powerful ship. The third at the end he is just as willing to defend his territory but reasonable enough to let them leave. So this last version is in the middle ground. Really shows you how different one individual can be in different timelines.
And he still had the big ship in the third timeline.
ReAsOnAbLe 😂
Or how a regular dude responds to three different set of stimuli.
@@MiguelAJeffery He did let them go in the third timeline, though he didn't fire upon them or make threats, while letting them leave Krenim space. I call that being reasonable.
@@michaelhviper I apologize--I agree with you. It's just that as an attorney, I hear that word all the time 😆
Run. In the opposite direction as fast as you can!!
Loved these episodes, some of the best.
'Target Voyager. Put Janeway out of her misery.'
She strolled up there and said good day sir. Like this was a sunday walk 😂😂😂 Jane way was badass a fuck. Phew memories
That Star Trek VI energy blast managed a lot of mileage!
That scene always reminded me of the TNG ep Worf:"Laser's!" loll
What a great show.
Would've liked to see the alternate version of this episode with Kes.
Whom?
One thing that doesn't make sense is Voyager's position after the shockwave hits. Now, obviously, for story telling purposes, the ship is 4 days into Krenim space. But the show explains that the wave effects all space and all time, past, present, and future. By erasing the Zahl home world, Voyager wouldn't have entered Krenim space, nor would they be that far into it. This is reinforced by the fact that by the end of this story line, we end up back at the beginning where Voyager meets the same Krenim captain and he waves them off. Janeway would have gone around in this timeline at the first signs of trouble/weapons fire.
Thank you for explaining that
Needed for story.
@@Dennis-Earl-Smiley which I said in the 2nd sentence.
Different timeline means different Krenim territory, as shown multiple times in the two episodes.
4:09 Janeway: “All hands, battle stations!”
Tuvok: “Captain we are already at Red Alert, with shields raised, weapons charged, in combat with an enemy vessel.”
Chakotay: “Dammit Kathryn did you attend any classes at the academy, or just hang out with that gardener all day?”
Kim: “Goddamn nepo babies…”
Paris: “Hey!”
Just red alert is different than battlestations. Red alert is a simple alarm that the ship is in danger. Could be due to space anomaly, an imminent collision, or an ion storm. Battlestations is specifically telling the crew to prepare for combat, with incoming weapons and possibly intruders to look out for.
Barkley doing Janeway is primo😅😂😊
I have to confess, Janeway should have simply gone around. Show respect for their sovereignty.
(0h, and remembered Kes’ warning as well.)
You seem to have no grasp of how large space is, going around would have added months or years
But Starfleet principles!
And the fact that they were getting their butts kicked in the first week.
It was a decades-long journey, anyway.
@@TheZeroAssassin They we’re already looking at a 70+ year journey, adding a few more years to avoid dying by trespassing through someone else’s backyard seems a might antithetical to their plans.
@@Beuwen_The_Dragon It would've been the smart thing to do as they'd never get home if they get killed by angry aliens for trespassing.
I don't recall the episodes in detail (time for a rewatch I thnk), but in this clip we first see Voyager being welcomed through the territory by people who seem to be the rightful owners of it, and Janeway just starts getting a hint of the ongoing territory dispute before time changes. Then we see the Krenim attacking mercilessly and refusing to respond to hails, so Janeway had no way to know where their territory even is so she couldn't avoid it.
Wish we would have seen more of the Krenim.
Especially Anorax Not sure if that's his name.
Of course he's known more for That 70s Show.
Always liked him.
Kurtwood Smith. Yeah it would've been nice to see more of him.
Don’t forget Robocop he killed Alex Murphy
The tigers are playing tonight and, I never miss a game.
The Writers of Star trek Online thought so too. He shows up but sadly not reprised by the same actor.
Anorax is now called Duffle.
Thanks I didn’t remember that one. I will check it out.
I like how they foreshadowed them in that one episode where kes was moving thru time
Also this is how voyager should've appeared at the end.. not like it rolled out of the space dock
Kes warned them about the krenim. im surprised they were surprised to meet them
@@randomrazr Apparently the reason was because Annorax was altering the timeline so much that it affected Voyager's knowledge about the Krenim when Kes warned them about them.
Bridge crew: "Didn't Kes warn us about the Krenim?"
Janeway: "Kes? Kes who? I hate bullies so much that I'd rather risk everyone's lives rather than heed the warning to stay out of this space"
Kes left after Seven arrived, she never got to experience that future. Effectively the episode Before and After never happened once she left Voyager. How Voyager came to meet the Krenim in the right place and time 10,000 light years later after Kes had enabled that "jump" is a paradox in itself. Maybe Voyager originally gave the Borg the nanoprobe tech to defeat 8472 in exchange for as long as Voyager could last in a transwarp conduit...
All hands brace for impact
Notice Chakotay immediately braced for impact
Voyager would have been the best Trek if it had DS9's grittiness and heart! Plain a nd simple.
Red Foreman was awesome in this 2 part episode, wasn't he?
Yes he was.
I just wish we saw more of him.
A follow up episode would have been great 👍
@@tomv5988, Well, since in the revised timeline that we were presented with at the end of Part 2, the Krenim didn't perceive Voyager with malice and consequently, let them proceed, our stalwarts continued travels would have plausibly taken any further such storylines, out of the range of the showrunners' (and writers') attention.
Fairly certain invading another soverign powers space just because they can't defend themselves is completely against Federation and Star Fleet regulations.
Also the name Krenim should be setting off red alerts immediately given they had foreknowledge of them courtesy of Kes.
Captain Smugway "fire smug attack with faketon torpedoes"
BSG meets ST in that we follow battle damage … what could have been.
Reminds me of Yesterday's Enterprise 😢😮
They had foreknowledge of the Krenim and the year of hell from Kes, they should have been turning tail and legging it immediately!
ikr? Thats one of the issues i had with Voyager even though i liked it. The writers FORGOT that took place apparently.
I think honestly it was the right call to make it a 2 parter, if it was all reset after a whole season, the comments here would be about how much of a waste it was just to end with a time reset like nothing happened.
So if the Krenim had low warp capability..then why not warp trough their territory in high warp?
There would be no episode.
"Mr Paris, warp eight."
In universe, the Krenim would likely be able to detect the ship somehow and surround it.
I love her haircut in this. It just suits her so well
Funny, I was thinking just the opposite. Always preferred the shoulder length. In fact, bravo to the hair people with all the females in the show.
Reminds me of the look of the French Canadian captain that they had in the original pilot.
@@smallpseudonym2844Genevieve Bujold
The "KRENIM" were a technologically-advance species from the Delta Quadrant. The Krenim government was called the Krenim Imperium.
At 98% restoration, the Krenim Imperium of 2374 was composed of over two hundred star systems, nine hundred planets, and thousands of warp-capable vessels spread out over five thousand parsecs.
So that's where the Krenim Timebug came from
Never, never, never threaten Kathryn Janeway .
I'm wondering if this is a trait shared by all Federation Captains when cut off from the rest of the Fleet. Janeway had a chance to turn around and go around Krenam space but out of stubbornness, Pride or just pure desperation she decided to take Voyager straight through which basically got them all killed.
Captain Ransom of the Equinox did the exact same thing against the Patronen Guard? Which cost him half his crew before meeting Voyager.
This kicked off the year of hell.
Personally, I would have absolutely LOVED to see how the Krenim would have tried (emphasis on the word TRIED) to respond if their 'Temporal Manipulations' had been encountered by the Borg and then the Borg adapted and became impervious to it.
I can just imagine the Krenim essentially quoting Commander Data and saying: "ooohh SHIT!!" Hahaha.
Just my opinion anyway.
I dont think borg could have adapted to it. The krenim most likely would have calculated the creation of the borg, and changed the time line from there.
The second time voyager is under attack Janeway tells the crew to go to battle stations, but the crew should already be at battle stations!
Wow the ship firing on Voyager changed some persons vanished and Voyager also changed
an alternate reality instead .
Lock onto them with our patronising ray
IMO, This was the point where the whole series could have been elevated to legendary if they had kept all the progression and character development made in this storyline. But in typical Star Trek fashion, everything and everyone went back to normal by the end and the ship was in tip top shape for the following episode...
Inside Voyager was a temporary device from the 28th century to destroy Voyager.
Season 5 episode 24 Relativity.
This device is not affected by the temporal change.
When Voyager adapts to the temporal weapons, when it interacts with the temporal shockwave, the device synchronizes, causing time to return to the beginning of the chapter.
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Voyager was a hell of a show
It has its good episodes. And like the other series, its very, very, bad ones.
April 5, 2063
38.3K subscribers Hey Paul, what is your opinion of the Krenim Patrol Ship, Krenim Warships, and also the Zahl Heavy Cruiser design?
Jamie, I like the color of the Krenim Warships. The ship did not look that big. Some of the Cardassian ships look bigger then Krenim Warships. I think the warship should have look like the Imperial Star Destroyer. I wish that Star Trek Voyager did another episode on the Zahi. It would be nice to ship the inside of the ship. The ship looked like a good size. It was a little small then Voyager. I like the design of the ship. How about you?
@@April-dv2pb I really really like the designs of all of the alien starships from this EPIC two-parter "The Year of Hell". The Zahl Heavy Cruisers for example have a very impressive, very friendly looking, and also a very sleek look to them that's almost but not quite Romulan/mixed with Andorian style design.
@@jamieolberding7731 I can see you points. I like to see sleek looking ships too. The ship from 2001 Space Odyssey is a good ship design.
@@April-dv2pb I do remember that ship (Even though I have never even watched that movie before in my life) You should also definitely check out the really sleek and beautifully well detailed Human and Alien Spaceship designs from "Space Battleship Yamato" franchise. BTW... Here's the EPIC opening Space Battle scene from the 2009 anime film "Space Battleship Yamato: Resurrection", where the pure evil SUS Empire attacks and destroys an Earth Federation Emmigration Fleet, led by Earth Flagship "Blue Noah": ua-cam.com/video/3SAQdnMHxuc/v-deo.html ).
@@jamieolberding7731 I remember watched that a few months ago. You're right many interested ships.
Ah yes the year of hell
often thought when watching voyager what would the journey home of been like if they weren't is a small class of ship and were is something like a sovereign class lol. it would have been a quite show since most thing would have just turned the other way lol.
We are the borg resistance is futile
Tuvok quantum torpidos full spread fire
Well that's over next
The entire Voyager Series should have been like this. No way one federation ship could be reset at the beginning of every episode like it was brand new.
@@NaesGalaxy Voyager, like most other bigger starfleet vessels, has access to industrial replicators. Apart from certain compononents like anti matter and deuterium crystals they can replicate anything given enough energy. Still, effort could have been made to ensure continuity and have some damage be mentioned in episodes later that repairs are still underway and such
@@NaesGalaxy It has been mentioned. I'm in the middle of rewatching season 3 and Paris just said that part of the ship could use some of ? (don't remember exact words) after 2 years of the damage they've taken and always talking about maintenance that is due like scrubbing the warp plasma conduits and such.
Well early episodes did make an issue of counting resources and acting like they were getting lower. After a few mentions it got dropped.
Federation ships have replicators tho. No reason they can't keep themselves repaired. Would just take more time than a dedicated facility.
Down to 17% shields... oh ok battle-stations then.
1 timeline that person is alive and just like that...dead in the other.
In reality, the Krenim captain wouldn't exist in either 3 timelines. A large empire means more people are reproducing vs a small empire means less people are reproducing. Not to mention, the various wars the Krenim would fight or diseases they encounter would change the population stats based upon who gets killed or not. People meet at the right place, right time. Interrupt that, even for a few seconds, and life changing consequences would happen.
I do get the point of the episode, though. And it was fun to see the actor/character on how his demeanor would be in different timelines. After all, it is a tv show. 😉
A lot of speculation going on there bub. And all without a single piece of factual evidence to support any of it.
@@krane15It's called logic, dude. We're talking about population dynamics on a massive scale over a period of 200+ years. What evidence do you have that he would exist? Time to use your critical thinking skills.
You would think voyager had some temporal shields by now but nope.
good story but gotta love how they all just forgot about the Krenim
torpedo tubes...lmao😂
She's dead. Absolutely zero $%^^& given
Is it the first time? Didn't someone from the future warn them about the year of hell? Can't quite remember. It's been a while lol.
I really liked the year of hell. They shouldn't have hit the reset button at the end.
i find it funny kess warned janeway of the krenim how is it that they were able to nearly distroy voyager
HOLD UP!!!!! Does this mean that the Krenim of the future were responsible for the fall of their past Ancestors by sending Voyager back in time?
Well that’s Captain Kremmen but where are the Krells?
Cry HAVOC! And let slip the dogs of war!
More like a year if hell
"This is turning into the week of hell..."
"Turning _into"?_ Didn't you start the scene with a dead crewman on the bridge? If that's been going on for a week already then saying it's "turning into" a bad week seems so... callous.
Janeway should have turned around but then there would not be an episode.
Might have been a good concept and what Voyager should have been like from the start with the appreciation for diminishing resources without resupplies affecting the ship.
Instead Voyager decided they could throw away torpedoes, shuttles and magically get them back every episode because the "reset button" exists. Just like the end of this story.
This episode is sadly stupid with even a bit of thought.
Why would Voyager be in the same position in the new timeline when the conditions are so different ?
Voyager would have advance warning they are going to be entering the territory of a race that do no take kindly to their borders being violated so Janeway acting the victim is stupid. Voyager would also know they have a lot more firepower so flying into their space without permission is terminally stupid.
Pull the same stunt with the Romulans or Klingons... you expect them to ask "nicely" for you to leave rather than murder you ?
When star trek hit rock bottom.
This reflects Israel zionists perfectly.
Temporal mechanics. I hate them.
Think this a bit eagle eyes?
Here is where I stopped watching Star Trek. Since the command was to continue course, while ignoring the sovereignty of a n opposing species. Typical power play without respect. Even when you have better weapons and defensive measures, no need to go against a non threat and ignore their rights.
Vladimir Putin
Joe Biden of the American Imperium
I had some kremin cheese on a bagel just now.