If one of them were stronger, it would be imbalance. It’s important not to maximize each one of them. -Joker toxin empowers mind self. -Magics empowers child self.
I feel like it's a roundabout integration of the usual Batman origin story and the Nolanverse one, where they went to the opera instead and Bruce got scared of the bats shown so his parents left the show early with him, leading him to blame himself for doing so. Thus we have Zorro, but also Bruce blaming himself.
@@FurnaxIkkiit’s my understanding it’s always been Zorro. Every animated Batman did it, even though they all don’t follow the same continuity Comics I don’t know for sure though
@@FurnaxIkki It's sad that Batman blames himself for what happened. Ignoring the fact he was literally a child, but by him doing that, he takes away the agency of Joe Chill. Joe chose to rob the Waynes. He chose to hold them at gunpoint and he ultimately chose to shoot them.
No. The actual rule is “no killing”. Although by following it the way I do has caused more deaths than the 8 ones I could have given and prevented the other millions.
"Well, aside from Batman Odyessy, and this one time against Darkseid. But I was symbolically using the embodiment of evil to me, a gun, against the embodiment of evil against Darkseid, so it cancels out."
Technically that was a different universe. Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, Golden Age, Silver Age, New 52....it gets confusing in a hurry. Short version; you can't rely on anything from more than like six years ago to be cannon to whatever the current version of any given DC character looks like. Because it's not cannon. That version of the character was rebooted a dozen reboots ago. And in the time it took me to type that, DC planned it's next reboot. (Statistically speaking, while I was joking, I'm probably not wrong.)
@@SemiOmni314 I had to look this up because DC keep changing, retconning and rebooting their universe.... I mean, HQ was just supposed to be in one episode but then her role expanded. Later, in "Mad Love", it was set up that she was a psychologist who had an internship at Arkham.
"It's too fucked up in here!" Damn, and that's coming from Harley. But it does make sense, she is a professional psychologist/therapist, guess even with all the crazy things she's been through, she knows when too fucked up is too far fucked up.
"professional" you mean the harley quinn who wanted to "cure" the joker solely so she could sell a book on the experience? yeah, reaaaal profession there.
The first telling of Batman's origin predates the 40s version, so it was the 20s version both in story and real life. But later versions changed it to the 40s version, I guess since it was more recent and iconic, and retellings just tip toe around whatever the writers feel like. It's like how Captain America was a WW2 veteran, then Korea, then Vietnam, then the Gulf war and back to WW2 via frozen in ice!
@@rcslyman8929 No, he was saying “not the 90s one” in reference to Harley’s “Antonio Banderas” comment since it was Harley that mixed the two movies up, not Bruce
@@mitchhamilton64 she is licensed professional therapist plus Batman saved her life a bunch of times and helped her with Ivy's plan to break free from Joker also HQ just felt sorry for him and used her luck that she found about him and being a professional to help him with what she knew. If someone gives you good advice especially someone as damaged as Batman they usually can take it.
@@General_Weebus that's only in one literation....in this one she did not at all, she actually hated her professors and their creepiness towards her and she did not at all reciprocate any sexual advances
Jokes aside this is probably the best story about why Bruce is Batman. The guilt is so brutal he refuses to think about anything else. When I first saw this episode it made me cry.
This was already done back in BTAS or the Movie mask of the phantasm if I recall. Was also explored in the JLAS when Bruce got mind controlled by starro
Brave and the bold also had something similar yet different to this with it happening because Thomas and Martha took Bruce to the movies after he had a meltdown over not getting what he wanted for cristmas
@@retro_morgan9208still wierd how they made an episode where Alfred wrote fanfiction and it still ended up with Bruce dying just so a new gen Batman can begin.
And it makes sense too, as guilt is very rarely a _rational_ emotion. It can really screw with your head, _especially_ when you're young. ....I can confirm as much from personal experience. Back when I was 13, I suddenly and unexpectedly lost a friend to an accident with a stolen handgun (he'd been with another friend of his at the time and his friend found the handgun on the ground, and while trying to unload the weapon [when they should have just called the police and let them deal with the weapon] it discharged and shot him in the head, killing him instantly). Even though I wasn't there when it happened, I still had thoughts going through my head like: *"Maybe if I'd been there, he'd still be alive."* or *"Maybe I could have done something to save him."* When in reality there was nothing that I _could_ have done, and if I _had_ been there, then _I_ could have been the one shot instead.
It’s a bit ironic, but somewhat fitting, the idea of Harley being Bruce’s therapist. Bruce has even stated he feels he should be locked up in Arkham too. He’s even admitted to Jason he doesn’t do things by the book. Batman follows his own code, the GCPD just happen to work well with Batman on occasion, for the most part. Because Gordon trusts Batman, and the sprite of hope he inspires in the corrupt city. But, it all sort of comes full circle, as Bruce helped Harley change, and be better (mostly, as far as a crazed anti-hero fan go), it’s only fitting Harley helps Bruce, in a similar way. But still ironic that she, who was once, well-crazier, and in a bad relationship, is the one who chooses to be Bruce’s therapist. But if she can get past some of her issues, and move on, so can Bruce. It’d be a hell of an uphill battle though. Baby steps.
Also calls to mind the scene in young justice where Wonder Woman called out Batman for recruiting Dick as Robin to avenge his parents. Then when she asks "So he could be like you?" it is just followed by a soft "So that he wouldn't." Bruce knows he's to far gone, but has become so consumed by his guilt that he can't/won't stop.
ok, never imagined that i would find a good quote for dramatic context in an actual comedy based on batman, said by none other than Harley: "moving on doesn't mean forgetting, it means healing"
Well Harley is a professional and licenced Doctor in psychology after all.... Liked the fact that the writers still had it in mind, and not fall into gooffy/quirky girl too deep
You should watch Batman :Under The Red Hood He says he constantly fantasizes and dreams of killing the Joker in the modt brutal ways possible and the fact it's so easy, is why he doesn't do it. He knows he's mentally unstable and that if he killed once he wouldn't beable to stop himself.
Continue reading at own risk ... ... ... ... ... ... I like to think that that is exactly how he overcame the Joker infection at the end of Arkham Knight .. "That's my secret, Cap.." so to speak .. he constantly ran that thought through his mind on a regular basis .. He just had to wait until the right moment when he could be truly certain that he was ONLY in his mind when he confronted that fear ..
Thats it, Batman for as much as he says it's about his code, its more about the fact that he knows the moment he kills he won't be able to stop, like a former alcoholic going binge drinking after 30 years of sobriety, he'll lose himself. He'd become the punisher; his discipline is the only thing that keeps his humanity alive because he refuses to heal from his parents' death. Since he refuses to heal his intense devotion to his cause and code is the second-best thing
This is good, but I like the Grant Morrison version where he's moved on from the death of his parents. He became Batman to keep himself sane when nothing made sense, but since then he's engaged in his parents' mission to better Gotham as both Batman and Bruce, and THAT is his motive. He has children that make him proud and that make his life full. I like that he was forced to admit that the single truth of Batman was that he was never alone, that Batman was born the moment he called Alfred for help while bleeding out in that room. I like that his "enlightenment" leads him to found Batman Inc and trust others with the mission (even if temporarily; This IS comics). And I love that the post-flashpoint version of him (That still apparently went through the Grant Morrison Arcs) began celebrating the life of his parents on their anniversary as opposed to the night of their death once he begins training Damian.
There's FAR too great an inclination to keep characters and their lives and situations static in comic books. That's how we get crap like One More Day and the stupid botched wedding arc in the King run of Batman, which was supposed to subvert the concept. Batman can heal and grow and it can make him a stronger Batman, especially when he's best buds with the light of the world Superman and don't lie to yourself Wonder Woman.
@@3Rayfire That is the advantage of The Multiverse: You can have both static and changing at the same time. The Multiverse is a tool that opens up story telling possibilities, and allows you to do stories that couldn't be done if there was just one universe (unless you create a bunch of imaginary and/or Elseworlds stories). As an example, on Earth-Two Bruce did get over the death of his parents and moved on, got married to Selina Kyle, and had a daughter named Helena. Eventually, Selina was killed, their daughter became The Huntress, and later Bruce was killed by Bill Jensen. On another Earth, the Batman of Earth-One travelled to an Earth where Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't been killed and stopped them from being killed. That Bruce Wayne did still become Batman but he did it in honor of the man who saved his parents life.
That should be the end point of Batman. He starts his crusade born entirely out of guilt, 😂 but through friends (Justice League), family (Batfamily), and love (Selina) he eventually heals out of that guilt but still continues to be Batman because his parents wanted Gotham to be better, but not to the point where he pushes everyone away from him like he tends to happen. Like you can't pry this man from the suit until he becomes decrepit but he should evolve from brooding, guilt-ridden man to quiet but content family man. He can take a night off to play board games cuz there's should be like 30 heroes in Gotham alone by this time.
I'm pretty sure it was well established that Bruce blames himself for the death of his parents since "Batman: The Animates Series" from 1994 and that's why he became Batman
@@littlegiantj8761 Batman experimented with the undead before like when Damian died and he used his friend Dr frankenstein so why wouldn't he do it with a asshole man eating plant plus he was unconscious while the zombie apocalypse started happening.
Wtf? That’s my reaction to what everything Bruce said to his younger self. Who is voicing Harley? She sounds familiar, like I’ve heard her voice from an anime.
This is by far the best done Harley Quinn redemption they've ever done. They used her therapist background (something they only bring out for cheap jokes in other iterations) and they identified which Harley attributes CAN be redeemed. It's this version of Harley I can see becoming a full fleshed hero/anti-hero, despite still being a pretty bad person.
So Bruce is always struggling with himself regarding the No Kill Rule and deep down somewhere he just knows he wants it. It'll be so much easier as well. Criminals like Joker and Professor Pyg genuinely deserve it and Bruce knows this too. But he won't pull the trigger.
I like this Harley, She's Still The Harley we all Know, But Here she's Actually Reminding us that She IS a Trained Therapist and Although she maybe one of Batman's "Enemies" She still sticks but the Rules of a Therapist.
Harley, that kid over there is 8, I spend the next 17 years trying to heal trying to hold it together, when I hit 25 it dawn on me, it wasn't going to happen, that's why I go out every night just to keep myself together.
I think Bruce and Harley are underrated together. I get she's supposed to be Joker's sidekick but the way her personality bounces off of Bruce's is far better and more entertaining to me.
If I was Batman and she said that to me I'd be like: Guy Williams, Harley! That's the Mark of Zorro! Guy Williams is Don Diego de la Vega! Antonio Banderas is Alejandro Murrieta!
I really like this design for Bruce Wayne. It looks like Bruce Timm's Batman for the more detailed styles that followed. I can't say I've really liked any other designs for Batman since until I saw this
True, when he did brave and the bold, I always think of Hoss Delgado. But in the Harley Quinn show, he actually toned down the Delgado, and actually did a good job.
I mean Bruce does have another Alter Ego that only comes out in true Emergencies that is totally ok with killing. so mind Bruce having the gun does make sense
In the Justice League Unlimited episode "For the man that have everything", is heavily implied that Batman ressents the fact his dad was too weak to protect himself and his wife from being murdered. That his true desire is that his father would beat the criminal to a pulp, protecting the family and avoiding all the pain Bruce went through. So, yeah, f*cked up is a proper description.
@@seriousspikesam7770 Not really the Identify, as it's not somthing he's assuming. It's that Batman is his real psychology, its who he is mentally in behaviour, his obssesiveness with Vengeance, to Train , to strike fear into criminals, to never let go of his parents death, thats Batman, that's who he is. Bruce Wayne is just his legal name and how he acts in public as some playboy spoilt rich kid, that fools around with girls and has parties is just something he assumes to throw off people thinking he's Batman, so it is a mask . Bruce wayne is the actual Identity he assumes and Batman is who he is. There's also Bruce wayne the Person who became Batman, but that person basically died when his parents were killed.
Ok but why didn't the parents just put their foot down and said no about goin down the dark alley way. Everything would have been fine if they went a safer route to their vehicle
The Waynes Loved Bruce and also Loved and believed what they were doing for Gotham was actually making it a better place. So it's Love and appeasement of thier hyperactive young son mixed with naiveté.
Bruce Wayne holding a gun and telling his past self to watch his parents die is really sick. I would expect that kind of cold behavior from flashpoint Thomas Wayne, but not from regular Bruce Wayne.
Alfred also blames himself because Thomas Wayne wanted Alfred to have a vacation Alfred pleaded with them that at least let him pick them up at the movie theaters and then he can make his plane but Thomas Wayne told him otherwise😢 and we know the rest
The guionist of this series must be the same of birds of prey and suicide quad kills the justice league. It has some funny moments but has zero respect for better characters
Me gustaría destacar un análisis psicológico que le hicieron a batman unos profesionales, llegaron a la conclusión de que batman no sufre ningún trauma por la muerte de sus padres, si no que desde pequeño demostró una gran resiliencia al enfocar toda esa rabia y odio en algo mejor, converirse en batman para que nadie tenga que pasar lo que el, pero lo que si es verdad es que sufre obviamente de depresión (su cruzada es bastante oscura y solitaria la mayor parte del tiempo, no se permite ni cuenta con que vuelva a ser feliz) también sufre de transtorno de personalidad antisocial y transtorno disociativo de la identidad ya aue el no se peecibe como bruce wayne, sino como Batman
You know I thought Batman was a good guy in ways he will protect someone in need but I now understand why he is corrupted and he can easily turn against the justice league where They come after him for something but the little problem is that he knows all their weaknesses, especially Superman and that makes Batman move dangerous.
Batman is a good guy. Yes, he's "Corrupted" in that he's so sick in the head that we would expect him to be psycho, but he _chooses_ to be good in spite of it all.
I haven't seen this episode but I'm glad they have adult Bruce doing this to young Bruce to elicit sympathy from the viewer. I think we very often romanticize this sort of masochism in an adult as a sort of righteous penance instead of what we should see it as: unhealthy. We are all emotional beings that deserve the same sympathy that we would give to a child.
I wonder how “old giggle gas”(Joker) would be if he spent some time up in Batman/Bruce Wayne/Batman of Zur-En-Arrh’s head. Probably get the crap beaten out of him thanks to all the defensive mental booby traps in there.
In another continuity, it's said that Bruce wanted to see the second showing of Mark of Zorro. By the time it ended, it was late and the Waynes needed to get home quick. But rather than call Alfred to pick them up, Thomas suggested taking a shortcut through an alleyway; which would later be known as Crime Alley. This is where the murder took place mere moments later. THAT sounds more believable than Thomas wanting Bruce to attend a shareholders meeting, in my opinion. Also, the fact that Bruce FORCES himself to never let go of his trauma is further proof that he and Batman aren't the great heroes people make them out to be. MY idea of a great hero is someone who finds a way to work through their trauma, let go of the pain and keep living life the best way they can. Batman, Vegeta and even the teen version of Steven Universe all fail at this in so many ways
It's Batman's inability to move past his trauma that makes the character so compelling. In one iteration he intentionally uses it to trigger his fight-or-flight, as a way to push his body beyond what it's normally capable of. (Hysterical strength and all that) The core tragedy of the character is self-internalized guilt and trauma. Bruce never tries to let go because he believes doing so would make him a worse Batman. He glorifies his own misery. This parallels a real-life pattern of thought found amongst many artists, who believe their various problems empower their art. He's like a rock star who's afraid if he goes clean, his music will lose its edge. And while it's true that the best Batman stories are ones where his character arc is learning to let himself heal, that doesn't mean the character is a poor "hero" because he's flawed.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth So...him emotionally and psychologically raping himself (metaphorically speaking) makes him compelling? I fail to see that, especially when you look at scenes like THIS
@@SilverScribe85 | "Compelling" simply means interesting. Batman has layers to unpack and flaws to develop, which makes him inherently more relatable and more substantial. There's a reason why he's lasted for 90+ years. Many of the best Batman stories are ones that explore and discuss these flaws and what aspects of the human experience they represent. It should also be noted that Batman stories are USUALLY a superhero rendition of the noir genre. The noir genre of fiction is defined by tragedy, loneliness, flawed characters, and HEAVY introspection (primarily focused in those flaws.) Its pessimistic, but in a way that has a lot to say, and gives you a lot to think about. That's what makes it "compelling."
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth I question what people find relatable about a man who refuses to let go of an incident that's happened to virtually EVERYONE on the planet! Seriously; many people lose loved ones from muggings, war, political drama and as seen in current events, schoolhouse and movie theater shootings. Yet, how many of THOSE victims decide to take the law into their own hands by dressing up in costume and refusing to let others get close to them? Seriously...NOTHING about Batman strikes ME, personally as relatable. I see him as an unstable, entitled rich prick who refuses to let go of pain and shuts themself away from others; physically AND emotionally. In a way, he's a lot like the former president
So it sounds like your idea of a hero doesn't match up with Batman to begin with. (I mean... there's not many ways to frame becoming a masked vigilante who throws himself off of buildings and fights criminals barehanded as a healthy reaction to trauma and grief.) So what are you doing watching a Batman show?
So Bruce Wayne feels like he doesn't deserve to happy and has to spend an eternity being miserable and alone for something he couldn't possibly have predicted could happen as a kid? That doesn't help anyone nor is it what his parents would want. He can still mourn the deaths of his parents but Bruce needs to learn to let go and work to make Gotham City a better place like they wanted to do.
That I'm aware of, 3. The Mark of Zorro (1920s black and white film), The Mask of Zorro (1998 Antonio Banderas film), and The Legend of Zorro (really shitty sequel also starring Antonio Banderas released in 2005).
See that's the thing about Bruce being Batman. As Harley said he should know that moving on doesn't mean forgetting it means healing, something he should've done a long time ago. I mean he's always been so closed off arrogant untrustworthy and so distant from others he eventually pushes them away and that's not good at all.
Retconning in Bruce demanding to see Zorro is such crap. If he really felt that he was responsible for his parents murder, he would’ve killed himself a long time ago.
Bruce isn't that fragile he just felt more obligated to complete his parent dream of making the city a better place and helping those like him and he didn't demand it he pressured them which they are adults they could have easily known better
@@WeAreTheDraiken I mean sure but I’m mostly talking about people who see the characters being snarky or something and say “ThIs Is PuRe FeMiNiSt TrAsH!” and write it off as such when you have probably one of the better deconstructions of not just Batman but a lot of Batman’s Rogues while still managing to at least be somewhat funny. Granted not all the jokes land and sometimes it can be a bit too Late 3rd phase-4th Phase Marvel humor for my tastes but just because it potrays Harley as LGBT doesn’t immediately make it “woke feminist garbage”.
yeah woke feminist garbage used to be a thing to refer to Velma Batwoman Santa Inc etc now they just use it as an excuse for misogyny and homophobia or how this show would be canceled if it was straight or white people doing the things the character did because they want to play in some fantasy world where their oppressed
@@rynemcgriffin1752 Just say it potrays her as a lesbian. LGBT is somthing completely else now (it all went downhill when they added the T), there have been non straight characters before time, but that acronym and movement is not a representation of them and always involves seeing anything that has been normal for hundreds of thousands of years as Bad. But Harley has been a lesbian in the comics (or Bi more accurately) , any comic reader knows that. The issue is that it's not a deconstruction IMO, Batman before has been deconstructed up to the point of even his no kill rule being laid bear (sans enter the redhood). But the show props up harley by lowering other characters from what I've seen. I mean Bruce has a panic attack in a episode, so Harley can be his support in that episode. It's not the fact harley is gas, that is the issue.
The obsession to become Batman, that's why Bruce is a bad hero in my opinion. He's rich and so what? He beats the living out of villains because he wants to, not to do what is right.
This version of Batman is an exaggerated caricature of the character, which is fitting for a parody-like series like this. This show has some very smart writing at times, like Joker finding out Batman's identity and then choosing to leave crime behind and becoming a family man. It also has some really stupid writing at times though, so I can see why for some people it sucks.
Ok you can dislike Batman reviving his parents, but this scene right here outlines the DEFINING APPEAL of the character in MOST iterations. The core tragedy of Batman's character is that he's internalized his own guilt/trauma and allowed it to define every aspect of who he is. The character's core flaw has always been a glorification of his own suffering. It's what makes him try to single-handedly fight all of Gotham's crime, isolate himself from others, and never take a break. He chose a bat symbol because they made him feel afraid. It's a metaphor for how his Batman persona is his fear/trauma turned outwards, used for good (or vengeance, depending on the iteration.)
this is why i hate this show. harley quinn is nothing but a messed up criminal who wants to please the joker, making her anything else, you might as well make her nothing! shes not a savior for people with mental health, shes an extreme example of what the problems of abuse and neglect can lead to. this is just bizarre fan fic. "what if batman needed mental health help from harley quinn!" pleaaase. yeah right. its sooooo cringey.
Lol , she has moved on from joker in comics like many years ago , she isnt even considered villain now , she is considered antihero in comics , tell us you dont know about harley quinn without telling us
She is licensed professional therapist plus Batman saved her life a bunch of times and helped her with Ivy's plan to break free from Joker as Harley has proven many times she knows how to move on with her life. In fact the comics she is more than just Joker victim she is a person with her own dreams personality friendships besides pleasing Joker she had a life before him and can move on without him. also HQ just felt sorry for him and used her luck that she found about him and being a professional to help him with what she knew. If someone gives you good advice especially someone as damaged as Batman they usually can take it.
Batman telling his younger self to watch their parents die are so fucked up yet somehow so befitting Batman with his untreated trauma.
It's kinda messed up though
@@Patisdead yes it's indeed very messed up moment and line
It's the way he says: "It's what we deserve"
Fuck, this dude is broken :(
Reminds me of that one ttg clip where robin got bruce's parents killed to get batman back
If one of them were stronger, it would be imbalance. It’s important not to maximize each one of them.
-Joker toxin empowers mind self.
-Magics empowers child self.
The fact this Bruce begged his parents to see Zorro….that lead to the shooting…..it actually makes the origin of Batman even more hurtful
just like Bruce said it's his bat-shaped cross to bear
I feel like it's a roundabout integration of the usual Batman origin story and the Nolanverse one, where they went to the opera instead and Bruce got scared of the bats shown so his parents left the show early with him, leading him to blame himself for doing so.
Thus we have Zorro, but also Bruce blaming himself.
@@FurnaxIkkiit’s my understanding it’s always been Zorro. Every animated Batman did it, even though they all don’t follow the same continuity
Comics I don’t know for sure though
@@FurnaxIkki It's sad that Batman blames himself for what happened. Ignoring the fact he was literally a child, but by him doing that, he takes away the agency of Joe Chill.
Joe chose to rob the Waynes. He chose to hold them at gunpoint and he ultimately chose to shoot them.
@@FurnaxIkki Only Hollywood shat on Zorro forever now, while Batman was milked to death and beyond.
"Moving on doesn't mean forgetting, it means healing!" Those are some very wise words to live by.
She was a psychologist for a reason. She genuinely wanted to help people. Then the Joker screwed with her head.
She should have been a motivational speaker with a gem like that.
@@gamester512 She developed Stockholm syndrome
words that harley should not be spitting out.
@@mattboesch8907 She's also aware that she had Stockholm Syndrome.
"I thought your rule was no guns"
Thats a lie, i just haven't used one since 1933
"I mean the real me is against it but the mind me is flexible"
No. The actual rule is “no killing”. Although by following it the way I do has caused more deaths than the 8 ones I could have given and prevented the other millions.
"Well, aside from Batman Odyessy, and this one time against Darkseid. But I was symbolically using the embodiment of evil to me, a gun, against the embodiment of evil against Darkseid, so it cancels out."
Batman hadn't existed yet.
Technically that was a different universe. Pre-Crisis, Post-Crisis, Golden Age, Silver Age, New 52....it gets confusing in a hurry. Short version; you can't rely on anything from more than like six years ago to be cannon to whatever the current version of any given DC character looks like. Because it's not cannon. That version of the character was rebooted a dozen reboots ago. And in the time it took me to type that, DC planned it's next reboot.
(Statistically speaking, while I was joking, I'm probably not wrong.)
"As your therapist, I promised to help you heal."
Sometimes, we forget that Harles actually had that role.
I mean... I've yet to meet a therapist who actually healed someone.
@@nikolaosboukouvalas449 They don't heal. They help you heal. :)
@@Kalah_ Didn't she only become a psychologist in Arkham just to write a book about the super criminals locked up in there?
@@SemiOmni314 I had to look this up because DC keep changing, retconning and rebooting their universe.... I mean, HQ was just supposed to be in one episode but then her role expanded. Later, in "Mad Love", it was set up that she was a psychologist who had an internship at Arkham.
Harley backstory of being therapist never touched until now
"It's too fucked up in here!"
Damn, and that's coming from Harley. But it does make sense, she is a professional psychologist/therapist, guess even with all the crazy things she's been through, she knows when too fucked up is too far fucked up.
I mean it makes sense.. Bruce dresses up like a bat.. he is kinda f up
"professional"
you mean the harley quinn who wanted to "cure" the joker solely so she could sell a book on the experience? yeah, reaaaal profession there.
Harley Quinn is an expert on fucked up.
@@mitchhamilton64 Professionals can be in it for the money. In fact there are many professional psychologists who do that very thing.
@@mitchhamilton64 Have you ever heard of different iterations?
“No, that’s the 90s one!”
Was it the Mark of Zorro with Douglas Fairbanks or Tyrone Power?
I ask because I own the latter version on DVD and never saw the one with Fairbanks
@@SilverScribe85 in some versions of the story it was the Tyrone Power one
@@tom_cruise_1986I have that one on DVD, it's good
The first telling of Batman's origin predates the 40s version, so it was the 20s version both in story and real life. But later versions changed it to the 40s version, I guess since it was more recent and iconic, and retellings just tip toe around whatever the writers feel like. It's like how Captain America was a WW2 veteran, then Korea, then Vietnam, then the Gulf war and back to WW2 via frozen in ice!
I can tell you, the 1998 film The Mask of Zorro can lead to an obsession. In my case, it led me to fall in love with Catherine Zeta-Jones.
The way he gleefully says “It’s what we deserve!” just makes it so more messed up.
Him correcting her on what exact Zorro movie, it was the night of his parents murder is just such a beautiful organic joke.
Aside from the fact that "the 90s one" was the MASK of Zorro, not the MARK of Zorro.
And we won't even mention the Legend of Zorro...
@@rcslyman8929 No, he was saying “not the 90s one” in reference to Harley’s “Antonio Banderas” comment since it was Harley that mixed the two movies up, not Bruce
I appreciate that the writers of this show clearly understand the characters on a deep level while still managing to keep the comedy twist
if they understood the characters they wouldnt make harley of all people batmans savior, especially when it comes to mental health.
@@mitchhamilton64 she is licensed professional therapist plus Batman saved her life a bunch of times and helped her with Ivy's plan to break free from Joker also HQ just felt sorry for him and used her luck that she found about him and being a professional to help him with what she knew. If someone gives you good advice especially someone as damaged as Batman they usually can take it.
@@user-dl8zc7cr8y she's a "licensed professional" because she slept her way through university. She's not qualified to help anyone
@@General_Weebus that's only in one literation....in this one she did not at all, she actually hated her professors and their creepiness towards her and she did not at all reciprocate any sexual advances
@@natasha5553 It took me reading your reply to realize that by "sleeping" they weren't referring to snoozing 😭
Jokes aside this is probably the best story about why Bruce is Batman. The guilt is so brutal he refuses to think about anything else. When I first saw this episode it made me cry.
This was already done back in BTAS or the Movie mask of the phantasm if I recall. Was also explored in the JLAS when Bruce got mind controlled by starro
Brave and the bold also had something similar yet different to this with it happening because Thomas and Martha took Bruce to the movies after he had a meltdown over not getting what he wanted for cristmas
@@retro_morgan9208still wierd how they made an episode where Alfred wrote fanfiction and it still ended up with Bruce dying just so a new gen Batman can begin.
And it makes sense too, as guilt is very rarely a _rational_ emotion. It can really screw with your head, _especially_ when you're young. ....I can confirm as much from personal experience.
Back when I was 13, I suddenly and unexpectedly lost a friend to an accident with a stolen handgun (he'd been with another friend of his at the time and his friend found the handgun on the ground, and while trying to unload the weapon [when they should have just called the police and let them deal with the weapon] it discharged and shot him in the head, killing him instantly). Even though I wasn't there when it happened, I still had thoughts going through my head like: *"Maybe if I'd been there, he'd still be alive."* or *"Maybe I could have done something to save him."* When in reality there was nothing that I _could_ have done, and if I _had_ been there, then _I_ could have been the one shot instead.
It’s a bit ironic, but somewhat fitting, the idea of Harley being Bruce’s therapist. Bruce has even stated he feels he should be locked up in Arkham too. He’s even admitted to Jason he doesn’t do things by the book. Batman follows his own code, the GCPD just happen to work well with Batman on occasion, for the most part. Because Gordon trusts Batman, and the sprite of hope he inspires in the corrupt city. But, it all sort of comes full circle, as Bruce helped Harley change, and be better (mostly, as far as a crazed anti-hero fan go), it’s only fitting Harley helps Bruce, in a similar way. But still ironic that she, who was once, well-crazier, and in a bad relationship, is the one who chooses to be Bruce’s therapist. But if she can get past some of her issues, and move on, so can Bruce. It’d be a hell of an uphill battle though. Baby steps.
Also calls to mind the scene in young justice where Wonder Woman called out Batman for recruiting Dick as Robin to avenge his parents. Then when she asks "So he could be like you?" it is just followed by a soft "So that he wouldn't." Bruce knows he's to far gone, but has become so consumed by his guilt that he can't/won't stop.
ok, never imagined that i would find a good quote for dramatic context in an actual comedy based on batman, said by none other than Harley:
"moving on doesn't mean forgetting, it means healing"
Well Harley is a professional and licenced Doctor in psychology after all....
Liked the fact that the writers still had it in mind, and not fall into gooffy/quirky girl too deep
Bruce is just one step away from being Frank Castle. That line about his mind being flexible sounds like he's constantly questioning his No Kill rule.
You should watch Batman :Under The Red Hood
He says he constantly fantasizes and dreams of killing the Joker in the modt brutal ways possible and the fact it's so easy, is why he doesn't do it.
He knows he's mentally unstable and that if he killed once he wouldn't beable to stop himself.
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I like to think that that is exactly how he overcame the Joker infection at the end of Arkham Knight .. "That's my secret, Cap.." so to speak .. he constantly ran that thought through his mind on a regular basis .. He just had to wait until the right moment when he could be truly certain that he was ONLY in his mind when he confronted that fear ..
@@WeAreTheDraiken I love that movie.
Thats it, Batman for as much as he says it's about his code, its more about the fact that he knows the moment he kills he won't be able to stop, like a former alcoholic going binge drinking after 30 years of sobriety, he'll lose himself. He'd become the punisher; his discipline is the only thing that keeps his humanity alive because he refuses to heal from his parents' death. Since he refuses to heal his intense devotion to his cause and code is the second-best thing
A subtle, but important difference (in the hands of good writers, at least):
Batman has a rule against killing. Superman chooses not to kill.
I actually really like Harley and Bruce as friends. And yes Bruce, not Batman
This is good, but I like the Grant Morrison version where he's moved on from the death of his parents. He became Batman to keep himself sane when nothing made sense, but since then he's engaged in his parents' mission to better Gotham as both Batman and Bruce, and THAT is his motive. He has children that make him proud and that make his life full.
I like that he was forced to admit that the single truth of Batman was that he was never alone, that Batman was born the moment he called Alfred for help while bleeding out in that room. I like that his "enlightenment" leads him to found Batman Inc and trust others with the mission (even if temporarily; This IS comics).
And I love that the post-flashpoint version of him (That still apparently went through the Grant Morrison Arcs) began celebrating the life of his parents on their anniversary as opposed to the night of their death once he begins training Damian.
There's FAR too great an inclination to keep characters and their lives and situations static in comic books. That's how we get crap like One More Day and the stupid botched wedding arc in the King run of Batman, which was supposed to subvert the concept. Batman can heal and grow and it can make him a stronger Batman, especially when he's best buds with the light of the world Superman and don't lie to yourself Wonder Woman.
@@3Rayfire That is the advantage of The Multiverse: You can have both static and changing at the same time. The Multiverse is a tool that opens up story telling possibilities, and allows you to do stories that couldn't be done if there was just one universe (unless you create a bunch of imaginary and/or Elseworlds stories).
As an example, on Earth-Two Bruce did get over the death of his parents and moved on, got married to Selina Kyle, and had a daughter named Helena. Eventually, Selina was killed, their daughter became The Huntress, and later Bruce was killed by Bill Jensen.
On another Earth, the Batman of Earth-One travelled to an Earth where Bruce Wayne's parents hadn't been killed and stopped them from being killed. That Bruce Wayne did still become Batman but he did it in honor of the man who saved his parents life.
That should be the end point of Batman. He starts his crusade born entirely out of guilt, 😂 but through friends (Justice League), family (Batfamily), and love (Selina) he eventually heals out of that guilt but still continues to be Batman because his parents wanted Gotham to be better, but not to the point where he pushes everyone away from him like he tends to happen.
Like you can't pry this man from the suit until he becomes decrepit but he should evolve from brooding, guilt-ridden man to quiet but content family man. He can take a night off to play board games cuz there's should be like 30 heroes in Gotham alone by this time.
"The mind me is flexible." Great line. Even works for the old, That's what she said.
Zorro Bruce: Come on champ let’s go watch our parents die it’s what we deserve.
Me: wow that was the most painful thing I ever heard. Of all time
I like the detail that it was a Zorro movie considering that was the original inspiration for Batman
It was actually the Shadow, they just don't like talking about that.
The "Zorro" connection has also been used in the comics.
Bruce should call her Aunt Quinn
Oh, like Peter Parker & Aunt May. They appear to be a LITTLE CLOSER in age here.
Aww
It hurt when he said it’s his penance, his bat shaped cross to bare.
1:28 I didn't expect to hear this sentence today lol
Bruce is beating himself mentally.
it's easy to forget that she is a therapist, but hearing her say it while in her outfit is so odd and i live for it
0:23
Wow the show actually added an extra layer to batman 😮
I'm pretty sure it was well established that Bruce blames himself for the death of his parents since "Batman: The Animates Series" from 1994 and that's why he became Batman
What are you talking about? That has been a thing for a while
They also made him stupid enough to be oblivious of a zombie apocalypse he started
@@littlegiantj8761 Batman experimented with the undead before like when Damian died and he used his friend Dr frankenstein so why wouldn't he do it with a asshole man eating plant plus he was unconscious while the zombie apocalypse started happening.
@@GAPIntoTheGame In the Nolan trilogy or a few comics yeah
Wtf? That’s my reaction to what everything Bruce said to his younger self.
Who is voicing Harley? She sounds familiar, like I’ve heard her voice from an anime.
Harley is voiced by Kaley Cuoco from The Big Bang Theory.
Brandy from Brandy and Mr Whiskers.
@@MoTheGulagKing Penny from Big Bang Theory? Mind blown in a good way.
@@MoTheGulagKing I don’t really watch that show much and don’t know that character.
Classic misplaced guilt. Its like Superman said in injustice "but you weren't the gun"
Oh now I get what Superman meant when he said that!
Harley, you think this is fucked up? Bruce's ideal afterlife is being Batman again. Think about what that entails
This is by far the best done Harley Quinn redemption they've ever done. They used her therapist background (something they only bring out for cheap jokes in other iterations) and they identified which Harley attributes CAN be redeemed. It's this version of Harley I can see becoming a full fleshed hero/anti-hero, despite still being a pretty bad person.
Damn, Harley saying things are fucked up? That's how you know things went sideways.
0:50: I think he means the one with Tyrone Power.
Due to the sliding timescale they have to have it be some special anniversary screening or something when they call back to this in the comics.
@@Igarappappao Bruce doesn't care that he made Joe chill traumatize him?😅😅😮😢🎉🎉😂.
@@nataliapanfichi9933 What?
So Bruce is always struggling with himself regarding the No Kill Rule and deep down somewhere he just knows he wants it. It'll be so much easier as well. Criminals like Joker and Professor Pyg genuinely deserve it and Bruce knows this too. But he won't pull the trigger.
1:27 like what the f ? but there was no way in any multiverse i was expecting to hear that
"C'mon, champ, let's go watch your parents die!"
Hm..sounds too much like Zur En Arrh in my opinion...
*"C'mon, champ. Let's go watch our parents die. It's what we deserve."*
Says the older superhero sleuth to his younger self.
I like this Harley, She's Still The Harley we all Know, But Here she's Actually Reminding us that She IS a Trained Therapist and Although she maybe one of Batman's "Enemies" She still sticks but the Rules of a Therapist.
Harley, that kid over there is 8, I spend the next 17 years trying to heal trying to hold it together, when I hit 25 it dawn on me, it wasn't going to happen, that's why I go out every night just to keep myself together.
He sounds like he's channelling Adam West.
This episode only proves just how fk up Bruce Wayne is both mentally and emotionally 😂😂😂
I think Bruce and Harley are underrated together. I get she's supposed to be Joker's sidekick but the way her personality bounces off of Bruce's is far better and more entertaining to me.
If I was Batman and she said that to me I'd be like:
Guy Williams, Harley! That's the Mark of Zorro! Guy Williams is Don Diego de la Vega!
Antonio Banderas is Alejandro Murrieta!
Also, Banderas was in the Mask of Zorro. Not the Mark of Zorro.
Dr. Harleen Quinzel doing a hell of a job.
This is a better version of Harley than the one in that abominable game I hope we can Neuralyze out of our brains.
Still there are times in the later seasons that shows this Harley to be way worse though
I like to think sometimes Jack Tripper is pretty proud up there.
The last good episode of the show
I need to watch this series
I really like this design for Bruce Wayne. It looks like Bruce Timm's Batman for the more detailed styles that followed. I can't say I've really liked any other designs for Batman since until I saw this
Bader deserves to be the new Batman for everything. Harley Quinn showed me he can do a great serious Batman.
True, when he did brave and the bold, I always think of Hoss Delgado. But in the Harley Quinn show, he actually toned down the Delgado, and actually did a good job.
He sounds almost like Owlman from Justice League: Crisis on Two Earths played by James Woods. I approve.
Honestly? Absolutely,after his astonishing work in the brave and the bold series,he deserves to be the next batman. Let’s make it so.
Honestly, Kevin would approve. Hell, he worked with him on a Brave and Bold episode!
I mean Bruce does have another Alter Ego that only comes out in true Emergencies that is totally ok with killing. so mind Bruce having the gun does make sense
Even more f***** up when he resurrected his parents
In the Justice League Unlimited episode "For the man that have everything", is heavily implied that Batman ressents the fact his dad was too weak to protect himself and his wife from being murdered. That his true desire is that his father would beat the criminal to a pulp, protecting the family and avoiding all the pain Bruce went through.
So, yeah, f*cked up is a proper description.
What's the music playing during @0:16 onwards?
If Bruce Wayne is not his real name, does that mean his parents were actually Thomas Bat and Martha Man?
Bruce is the name, Batman is the identity.
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Not really the Identify, as it's not somthing he's assuming.
It's that Batman is his real psychology, its who he is mentally in behaviour, his obssesiveness with Vengeance, to Train , to strike fear into criminals, to never let go of his parents death, thats Batman, that's who he is.
Bruce Wayne is just his legal name and how he acts in public as some playboy spoilt rich kid, that fools around with girls and has parties is just something he assumes to throw off people thinking he's Batman, so it is a mask .
Bruce wayne is the actual Identity he assumes and Batman is who he is.
There's also Bruce wayne the Person who became Batman, but that person basically died when his parents were killed.
@@seriousspikesam7770 It's a bird. It's a plane. No, it's the joke flying over your head.
1:30 mrw mind me beats up regular me for the slightest mistake.
Ok but why didn't the parents just put their foot down and said no about goin down the dark alley way. Everything would have been fine if they went a safer route to their vehicle
Their rich and most likely bad parents, so they didn't care, Alfred would know better.
Their rich and most likely bad parents, so they didn't care, Alfred would know better.
The Waynes Loved Bruce and also Loved and believed what they were doing for Gotham was actually making it a better place.
So it's Love and appeasement of thier hyperactive young son mixed with naiveté.
Bruce Wayne holding a gun and telling his past self to watch his parents die is really sick. I would expect that kind of cold behavior from flashpoint Thomas Wayne, but not from regular Bruce Wayne.
Alfred also blames himself because Thomas Wayne wanted Alfred to have a vacation Alfred pleaded with them that at least let him pick them up at the movie theaters and then he can make his plane but Thomas Wayne told him otherwise😢 and we know the rest
Oh right, I sometimes forget Harley was a psychiatrist before
The guionist of this series must be the same of birds of prey and suicide quad kills the justice league.
It has some funny moments but has zero respect for better characters
Me gustaría destacar un análisis psicológico que le hicieron a batman unos profesionales, llegaron a la conclusión de que batman no sufre ningún trauma por la muerte de sus padres, si no que desde pequeño demostró una gran resiliencia al enfocar toda esa rabia y odio en algo mejor, converirse en batman para que nadie tenga que pasar lo que el, pero lo que si es verdad es que sufre obviamente de depresión (su cruzada es bastante oscura y solitaria la mayor parte del tiempo, no se permite ni cuenta con que vuelva a ser feliz) también sufre de transtorno de personalidad antisocial y transtorno disociativo de la identidad ya aue el no se peecibe como bruce wayne, sino como Batman
I wish they explored this more in season 4, this was a real highlight episode. Season 4 honestly disappointed me
yeah that checks out
Antonio Banderas film! Lol😂
"Come on chump let's go watch our parents die!!!" Lmao pretty tweaked
This scene doesn’t change the fact this show is cringe.
You know I thought Batman was a good guy in ways he will protect someone in need but I now understand why he is corrupted and he can easily turn against the justice league where They come after him for something but the little problem is that he knows all their weaknesses, especially Superman and that makes Batman move dangerous.
Batman is a good guy. Yes, he's "Corrupted" in that he's so sick in the head that we would expect him to be psycho, but he _chooses_ to be good in spite of it all.
I haven't seen this episode but I'm glad they have adult Bruce doing this to young Bruce to elicit sympathy from the viewer. I think we very often romanticize this sort of masochism in an adult as a sort of righteous penance instead of what we should see it as: unhealthy. We are all emotional beings that deserve the same sympathy that we would give to a child.
An 11 year old boy sounds familiar doesn't it but becoming Batman is a whole lot harder than retiring from it!!!
I wonder how “old giggle gas”(Joker) would be if he spent some time up in Batman/Bruce Wayne/Batman of Zur-En-Arrh’s head.
Probably get the crap beaten out of him thanks to all the defensive mental booby traps in there.
In another continuity, it's said that Bruce wanted to see the second showing of Mark of Zorro. By the time it ended, it was late and the Waynes needed to get home quick.
But rather than call Alfred to pick them up, Thomas suggested taking a shortcut through an alleyway; which would later be known as Crime Alley. This is where the murder took place mere moments later. THAT sounds more believable than Thomas wanting Bruce to attend a shareholders meeting, in my opinion.
Also, the fact that Bruce FORCES himself to never let go of his trauma is further proof that he and Batman aren't the great heroes people make them out to be. MY idea of a great hero is someone who finds a way to work through their trauma, let go of the pain and keep living life the best way they can.
Batman, Vegeta and even the teen version of Steven Universe all fail at this in so many ways
It's Batman's inability to move past his trauma that makes the character so compelling. In one iteration he intentionally uses it to trigger his fight-or-flight, as a way to push his body beyond what it's normally capable of. (Hysterical strength and all that)
The core tragedy of the character is self-internalized guilt and trauma. Bruce never tries to let go because he believes doing so would make him a worse Batman. He glorifies his own misery. This parallels a real-life pattern of thought found amongst many artists, who believe their various problems empower their art. He's like a rock star who's afraid if he goes clean, his music will lose its edge.
And while it's true that the best Batman stories are ones where his character arc is learning to let himself heal, that doesn't mean the character is a poor "hero" because he's flawed.
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth So...him emotionally and psychologically raping himself (metaphorically speaking) makes him compelling?
I fail to see that, especially when you look at scenes like THIS
@@SilverScribe85 | "Compelling" simply means interesting. Batman has layers to unpack and flaws to develop, which makes him inherently more relatable and more substantial. There's a reason why he's lasted for 90+ years.
Many of the best Batman stories are ones that explore and discuss these flaws and what aspects of the human experience they represent. It should also be noted that Batman stories are USUALLY a superhero rendition of the noir genre. The noir genre of fiction is defined by tragedy, loneliness, flawed characters, and HEAVY introspection (primarily focused in those flaws.)
Its pessimistic, but in a way that has a lot to say, and gives you a lot to think about. That's what makes it "compelling."
@@PotatoPatatoVonSpudsworth I question what people find relatable about a man who refuses to let go of an incident that's happened to virtually EVERYONE on the planet!
Seriously; many people lose loved ones from muggings, war, political drama and as seen in current events, schoolhouse and movie theater shootings. Yet, how many of THOSE victims decide to take the law into their own hands by dressing up in costume and refusing to let others get close to them?
Seriously...NOTHING about Batman strikes ME, personally as relatable. I see him as an unstable, entitled rich prick who refuses to let go of pain and shuts themself away from others; physically AND emotionally.
In a way, he's a lot like the former president
So it sounds like your idea of a hero doesn't match up with Batman to begin with. (I mean... there's not many ways to frame becoming a masked vigilante who throws himself off of buildings and fights criminals barehanded as a healthy reaction to trauma and grief.) So what are you doing watching a Batman show?
So Bruce Wayne feels like he doesn't deserve to happy and has to spend an eternity being miserable and alone for something he couldn't possibly have predicted could happen as a kid? That doesn't help anyone nor is it what his parents would want. He can still mourn the deaths of his parents but Bruce needs to learn to let go and work to make Gotham City a better place like they wanted to do.
Technically it depends on how's writing him
Antonio Banderas!
This show exists to Defile and tear down the old.
Here's a question... Why are they helping him?
How many Zorro movies exactly are there?
That I'm aware of, 3. The Mark of Zorro (1920s black and white film), The Mask of Zorro (1998 Antonio Banderas film), and The Legend of Zorro (really shitty sequel also starring Antonio Banderas released in 2005).
What is this from?
Harley Quinn on Max
See that's the thing about Bruce being Batman. As Harley said he should know that moving on doesn't mean forgetting it means healing, something he should've done a long time ago. I mean he's always been so closed off arrogant untrustworthy and so distant from others he eventually pushes them away and that's not good at all.
Retconning in Bruce demanding to see Zorro is such crap. If he really felt that he was responsible for his parents murder, he would’ve killed himself a long time ago.
He tried and couldn’t bring himself to do it. Being Batman is his suicide. He knows it will eventually kill him.
Bruce isn't that fragile he just felt more obligated to complete his parent dream of making the city a better place and helping those like him and he didn't demand it he pressured them which they are adults they could have easily known better
Animation with all the weird random facial lines...
Harley Quinn is Bruce Wayne’s therapist??? He’s doomed. 🤦♀️
She's actually a pretty good doctor when she's not acting like a lunatic.
❤ Harley Quinn kill the Batman
Will they make Harley a good character again?
Cause this one is 💩
Fuck anyone who says this show is feminist garbage. This scene proves it’s more than the Velmas and the Santa Incs being churned out.
I think people have issue with with how dirty they did Dick Greyson in the show.
@@WeAreTheDraiken I mean sure but I’m mostly talking about people who see the characters being snarky or something and say “ThIs Is PuRe FeMiNiSt TrAsH!” and write it off as such when you have probably one of the better deconstructions of not just Batman but a lot of Batman’s Rogues while still managing to at least be somewhat funny. Granted not all the jokes land and sometimes it can be a bit too Late 3rd phase-4th Phase Marvel humor for my tastes but just because it potrays Harley as LGBT doesn’t immediately make it “woke feminist garbage”.
yeah woke feminist garbage used to be a thing to refer to Velma Batwoman Santa Inc etc now they just use it as an excuse for misogyny and homophobia or how this show would be canceled if it was straight or white people doing the things the character did because they want to play in some fantasy world where their oppressed
@@rynemcgriffin1752 Just say it potrays her as a lesbian.
LGBT is somthing completely else now (it all went downhill when they added the T), there have been non straight characters before time, but that acronym and movement is not a representation of them and always involves seeing anything that has been normal for hundreds of thousands of years as Bad.
But Harley has been a lesbian in the comics (or Bi more accurately) , any comic reader knows that.
The issue is that it's not a deconstruction IMO, Batman before has been deconstructed up to the point of even his no kill rule being laid bear (sans enter the redhood).
But the show props up harley by lowering other characters from what I've seen. I mean Bruce has a panic attack in a episode, so Harley can be his support in that episode.
It's not the fact harley is gas, that is the issue.
The obsession to become Batman, that's why Bruce is a bad hero in my opinion. He's rich and so what? He beats the living out of villains because he wants to, not to do what is right.
This right here is why I've always thought these two should be together, not the stupid lesbian shit between Poison Ivy and Harley
I'm sorry but the lesbian shit is so much better than freaking Bruce and Harley,like what the hell Bruce and Harley?????
Not my batman
The batman I knew would never bring his parents back
From the dead
This version of Batman is an exaggerated caricature of the character, which is fitting for a parody-like series like this.
This show has some very smart writing at times, like Joker finding out Batman's identity and then choosing to leave crime behind and becoming a family man. It also has some really stupid writing at times though, so I can see why for some people it sucks.
@@imatiu yup
Ok you can dislike Batman reviving his parents, but this scene right here outlines the DEFINING APPEAL of the character in MOST iterations.
The core tragedy of Batman's character is that he's internalized his own guilt/trauma and allowed it to define every aspect of who he is. The character's core flaw has always been a glorification of his own suffering. It's what makes him try to single-handedly fight all of Gotham's crime, isolate himself from others, and never take a break.
He chose a bat symbol because they made him feel afraid. It's a metaphor for how his Batman persona is his fear/trauma turned outwards, used for good (or vengeance, depending on the iteration.)
@@Horro_rider| Like, would you prefer we returned to the flawless Golden Age/Adam West Batman, who's as interesting as a cardboard cutout?
i swear i hate this show its so much shit
In this show Harley is a boy
What? No, she's a lesbian
What do you mean?
She’s literally in underwear
this is why i hate this show. harley quinn is nothing but a messed up criminal who wants to please the joker, making her anything else, you might as well make her nothing!
shes not a savior for people with mental health, shes an extreme example of what the problems of abuse and neglect can lead to.
this is just bizarre fan fic. "what if batman needed mental health help from harley quinn!" pleaaase. yeah right. its sooooo cringey.
Lol , she has moved on from joker in comics like many years ago , she isnt even considered villain now , she is considered antihero in comics , tell us you dont know about harley quinn without telling us
You might have skip at least about a decade of character progression.
She is licensed professional therapist plus Batman saved her life a bunch of times and helped her with Ivy's plan to break free from Joker as Harley has proven many times she knows how to move on with her life. In fact the comics she is more than just Joker victim she is a person with her own dreams personality friendships besides pleasing Joker she had a life before him and can move on without him.
also HQ just felt sorry for him and used her luck that she found about him and being a professional to help him with what she knew. If someone gives you good advice especially someone as damaged as Batman they usually can take it.