The Controversial Collapse of the US National Team
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The Controversial Collapse of the US National Team
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Shut up
Get that bag
So Vizeh, part of the main issue with US Soccer is the federation. They are children posing as businessman and it's been well known for a while that MLS has its fingers in the federation and theres no accountability within the federation. Like you know those press conferences where Southgate is brutally questioned, in those conferences for Gregg no-one is allowed to ask tough questions by the federation or their press access is revoked, not even joking the federation is soft and weak minded and Gregg was hired by his brother Jay in 2018, Maxwell could probably tell you more about this stuff its ridiculous. As an american before US Soccer can change it begins with the federation and how its been run now since the introduction of MLS, It's a good ole boys club and I'm sick of it. Sorry for the tirade but my frustration begins with that and then the players is another discussion. They play amazing for their clubs sides but with Gregg at the helm for the past 5 years most of the players underperform when they play for the crest, not unlike some England players. it's just saddening, hoping a new voice can make the difference.
@user-oz7li2wn2l Yeah the game ain't terrible I have played it before but I respect the gustle
0:14 That was Algeria not Nigeria
Klopp got offered and rejected the job in 2 hours 😂😂
That's just tough man hahaha
“The worst he can say is no”
NOOOOO
Okay I get it’s fun to shit on the U.S. especially in football but he was so adamant about being burned out I doubt it was fully beacuse of the team LMAO
Why did people actually think he would take the offer 😂😂
As someone from trinidad and tobago we would like to take full responsibility for this slow downfall of the USMNT
As you should mate!
@@RockSmithStudioBye Bye New Orleans then 🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹🇹
Complete cope. We own Concacaf
@@RockSmithStudiotypical classy comment you’d come to expect from the average American fan.
I'm an American, but I'm not mad. Trinidad did what they had to do.
But that single match change US Soccer entirely. The debate between using, "MLS players vs European players" is still happening all because of that one single game! Plus, that match will haunt US fans for years unless we win something big, which I don't think it is going to happen.
Welcome to CONCACAF Lads, where all major tournaments are held on U.S soil and you pay $500 for a seat in a 80k capacity stadium with a pitch that in any wrong step you can end/alter your career
CONCACAF: Where the football ⚽️ tackles are of the American kind 🏈 and incompetence/corruption is the standard.
and there's a 90% chance the pitch was just literally rolled out for this competition over top a turf surface that only exists because the owners of the teams who play in those stadiums are too fucking cheap to pay for real grass fields to play on.
What’s wrong with the pitch?
@@kb4903 A lot of the games are in NFL stadiums. Which most are artificial turf. For Copa America, they layered a grass pitch over the turf and it was terrible. There a some pitches in the MLS that are only for football, but most of those are 15-25k seat capacity compared to the NFL stadiums that are usually over 50k seat capacity. Besides, some NFL stadiums like MetLife stadium in NY (WC final for 2026) have a reputation for NFL players tearing their ACL.
@@George-my3qv ouch what about the next World Cup? Surely fifa won’t allow that.
As an American it’s not the coaches it’s the whole soccer federation that is holding us back especially with the pay to play. Seen many talented players who didn’t make it due to finances.
It’s both
Can always trust America to put money ahead of success every single time
Yeah, living in America I'm not that good myself but I've heard so many people who are really talented say they can't join an academy because of money
They cant even trap a ball and have rubber shins
@@Stephen-lx9nm you’re spewing bullshit
"The lebron james of soccer"- some guy on pawn stars
Top 1 all time Sports Moment
To be fair if I was selling that jersey I’m not telling him the truth 😂
Considering LeBron James is the 2nd best basketball player of all time, that means Pulisic is the 2nd best player of all time behind only Messi😊
Pulisic isnt even current top 100
@@Qiunellhe’d be like bottom of the top 500
As an American, The worst part about pay to play is that soccer is the only sport who follows this rule, all other sports in the US like American football have teams that you don’t need to pay to play for, which does bring the best players out
I can see that, everyone plays football (American) & Basketball so you can play against some amazing talent even in your own neighbourhood. Here in Canada pay to play is really bad. Hockey is the main sport and it's very expensive to play. Hence jn yhe NHL many players are the offspring of former players.
Have you never heard of AAU💀💀💀
I personally wasn't very good growing up, but living just outside of LA my whole life I've seen some extremely talented young players. So many of them lacked the resources to push themselves to the highest competitive levels and ended up plateauing. As long as playing at a high level of youth football/soccer is gatekept behind a paywall we will literally NEVER reach our maximum potential.
Pay to play is a huge problem here!! This is coming from a guy who as a kid, I grew up with a single parent, who struggled to pay for my competitive soccer. It cost over $2000 per season to play competitively where I'm from (this was back in 2008 to 2015)
That’s actually so stupid it hurts
The reason people are unaware of the World Cup is that US Soccer does 0 promotion of International SOCCER. No marketing effort at all,
Great...we don't want those *soccer nerds* in this sport anyway
It’s crazy because when unveiling the host cities they had Kim Kardashian, Drake, and Kevin Hart. Any other night in Hollywood that’s a big moment and the media barely picked up on it
I’m from the US. Myself and too many others are forced to pay far too much for the smallest chance that we might get to play football beyond the youth level. We can blame the national team’s lack of success all we want, and the federation and their motivations are definitely a concern for anyone involved with the game here, but in reality the grassroots system needs to be fixed to allow the truly skilled players, not just the rich kids, to shine through if we want to really progress as a footballing nation.
M8 call it Soccer! I'm a Brit and I wish we still called it by its proper name like you do. Football is just a term for a group of sports that originate from mob football and its older variants, 🏉🏈⚽ all of these are just codes of football and so all equally don't deserve the name. Saying football is a code of football obviously makes no sense. So, we should instead use it's real name association football which everyone knows is shortened down to soccer. Also please stop using the "its called soccer" thing, to go woah our cultures are soooo different and just educate them on why they're stupid for calling soccer football.
I recently became a coach at the middle school I work for. Mainly a Hispanic community and so many of those students are talented but don’t play club for whatever reason(obviously may be financial reason), I try to encourage them and their parents to sign them up. As a former player myself and someone who grew in the same community, I just know that after high school, most of these players playing career will end if they don’t play club cause only playing for their school won’t cut it as when they get to high school, the season is only about 2-3 months long. I do have a few players that play for the local club team (that is pay to play) and those where the better players but I would say the ones that don’t play club, are more passionate.
It’s genuinely so baffling how it’s still a thing, makes no sense to me mate
@@freddiemedley5580no it’s football, we are brits let’s say it as it is 😂
@@VirkStar321 we only stopped calling it soccer in the 70's, that was only due to all our European counterparts calling it football and taking the mick out of us. All our ex colonies still call it soccer, that's what it was called when they sailed off. But if you want to say football is my favorite code of football be my guest.
I am happy you highlighted the pay to play aspect. I am from the USA and there are no soccer fields near me with open goals. About 10 years ago, fields near me started chaining their goals and kicking players off unless they were part of the organized league. I find it very embarrassing and it is a major roadblock in the way of becoming a great soccer/football nation!
That’s so awful man, when I was in America I found it so hard to find a place to play football too man
@@Vizehthat’s odd. Where I live atleast all fields are public including the college ones, being Harvard, MIT and Boston University
@@MIDEVILKING26that’s in one of the biggest metropolitan areas in the U.S. What you can get in Boston you’re not getting in middle of nowhere Nebraska or South Carolina
MLS next is free which is cool and is our best youth league
Maxwell is gonna have a field day with this one if he upload it,isn’t he vizeh
Trust me I have his absolute blessing on this one
@@Vizeh please make him upload san marino episode 2
Losing to Trinidad in the 2018 WC qualifier has set soccer in America back at least 10 years
Americans know there is a World Cup here, more than likely Vizeh asked the casuals who look at the sport as something for kids.
Facts! I'm sure he also asked about 3 people and concluded that no one knows about it because it fits perfectly into his story about the USMNT downfall
Or it’s just that majority of us don’t care about soccer enough to know they were hosting games here, it’s not one of our top sports so yea there’s gonna be many casuals
@@Celticsnation412 because you guys s_ck at it and you can never dominate it. Your people are only interested in sports they can dominate. Shame
As an American, I'm going to be the first to tell you that this squad is not as special as they make it out to be. Most of these players are average at best.
I'm tired of the US media telling us this is a golden generation when this squad has not done anything to punch above its weight
I agree but at the same time it's better than to beat Panama in the 2023 Gold Cup for example
agree but you can be better and you have talent just look at the squad, if your organization wasn't corrupt asf and not serious at all (which is why I stopped supporting the USMNT despite being born here (not originally from here) and live here), the coach for the last few years explains it all. Canada made the semi final of the COPA AMERICA this year which is a amazing achievement for them. Go and compare both yours and canada's squad most would say USA's is better. The problem is the coach and the organization. You should have got Jesse March who gave that orgnazition the biggest slap in the face by being a AMERICAN coach leading your rivals down south to a Copa America semi final ON AMERICAN soil why they get knocked out of the group
At the same time, on paper this is the most talented squad you've ever had (and with your current system you won't get anything better than this). Getting knocked out in the groupstage at your home tournament is a disgrace (trust me, I'm Polish, I know a thing or two about that), especially if you finish below Panama. The players are to blame as well, because this level of effort is unacceptable, but really, if you ask me, your entire system needs a total revamp if you want to actually grow the sport in your country
Skimming through the squad you have players like Robinson who I rate and was one of the best LB's this season especially at defense, pulisic who we all know. McKenna who played for juventus last season nd now back to Leeds from loan, some more premier league side players like and others who play in top 5 leagues like balogun. Yes its not the best and yeah most are average tho you got some talent in their and they are better then the manager makes them look imo. Im not trying to gass you up, ofc the players take some blame for how you have been peforming. Im just saying that with a better manager this team could perform way better and it is the most talented squad you had on paper.
@@zosiazaremba7479 agree the whole organization needs a revamp
Rejecting Jesse Marsch in favor of Berhalter is crazy, with Marsch they probably woudlve still lost but at least make it to the quarter or semi finals like Canada
one thing, gold cup isn't really taken seriously by the big north american teams since the nations league was created(even tho its technically the main competition) so the defeat to panama in the gold cup wasn't rlly a "historic moment" as the players in that team were essentially the US B team
exactly. usa won the nations league a few months before and it was seen as a success with interim manager BJ Callaghan and players playing convincingly well over mexico and canada. the gold cup later that summer wasn't even the B team, it was players 3rd-5th on the depth chart. i don't think fans or the federation attributed any weight to the competition. this kinda took away from the research aspect of what was otherwise a good video
Part of that reason at least in 2023, the US federation gave the players the option of either Nations League final four or Gold Cup. They obviously chose the Nations League since it would only be 2 games. Unlike the Mexican federation which didn’t give their players the option since the target audience to fill up the stadiums is the Mexico fans in the US, so they have to their “big” name players.
The old US teams with Howard and Dempsey were so much better and actually played with passion as a team. The current team now is a bunch of arrogant individuals that gets so hyped up here by the US media, when in reality the team isn’t that good. Yeah winning CONCACAF trophies is nice, but that’s expected, on paper your only competition is Mexico and even then they’ve been getting worse ever since the 2018 World Cup. We hear all this delusional hype here in the US…guys Greg Berhalter wasn’t going to win you anything that’s why you let him walk in the first place. Like why tf do I have to watch Alexi Lalas yap about how good this team is every year 😂. They could’ve have had Jesse Marsch who yes did bad with Leeds and Leipzig but ur telling me Berhalter is a better option. Marsch is doing more with “less” with Canada. Also seriously did yall think u would get Klopp? Tim Howard, I love you bro, one of my favorite players of all time but no he’s not leaving Liverpool for the US. And besides national team manager aren’t usually as world class as Klopp anyways unless they are old or past their best
as a Canadian, having canada go further than USA in the COPA was a great joy
be very grateful of your coaching staff, i say this as a Mexican fan lol
canada has been the best team in Concacaf since the last WC. Ignore fifa rankings,
Vizeh talking about US football I've truly seen it all
As an England/US supporter, the contrast between my two teams right now and the positions they are in is crazy. I will forever appreciate what Greg did in revamping our team and getting us back to the WC. With that being said, it is clear that he should never have been rehired. I hope the US takes this manager search seriously and finds us someone who can give us a good run in the WC, while also continuing to develop the sport and our next generation of players.
I think the Round of 16/Quarters is ideally your limit that's the thing for me honestly
Im in your position too dude. Im a Colombian American and the contrast right now between the Colombian and American fans is insane. One is elation that transcends the heavens and belief this year we bring home the trophy. The other other panic and chaos with no direction where to go!
As a American/Mexican go get the cup for your home country. Also the Mexican national team is doing so bad hopefully i could see the Mexico win the world cup also the united states too also maybe Canada too.@TrainerAQ
@@VizehI agree I think that’s our limit, but the way we got to the knockouts in 2022 did not impress me. Berhalter made the same mistakes that he has kept making, it almost cost us then and it’s certainly cost us now. He likes to sit back and play for the bare minimum result and hope other results go his way, it’s unacceptable. The Wales match was terrible and we almost gave up a late goal off of a mistake against Iran. I agree with you about our limit, I just think in order to consistently get to that limit, our coaching and our federation as a whole needs to be changed.
American fan here- what has been the most frustrating about this “golden generation” is the shear inconsistency from match to match. One match we are holding our own against a world class team like Brazil with Tim Ream channeling his inner prime VVD, and the next game we are getting embarrassed by a country with a population the size of my home down, with Tim Weah channeling his inner prime Mike Tyson. It’s embarrassing to watch and support, especially with the undeniable quality that the team possesses on paper. Getting Greg out is a step in the right direction, and i can only hope that one day Klopp will change his mind and give it a go 🙏
Copa América has nations that are not from South America because Conmebol only has 10 countries. Throughout the years they usually invite 2 nations usually from Concacaf, in other cases we’ve seen them invite Japan & Qatar. This edition had 16 teams, 10 from Conmebol and 6 from Concacaf (2016 also had this same format).
There's a statement made by Scaloni about the possibilities of European invitees to play in Copa America (and the Conmebol invitees for the Euro), but it's a fake.
Let me clear up a misconception. The Reyna's didn't pull their stunt because of the lack of playing time for Gio. That whole thing was over Gregg opening his mouth and making everything public at a leadership conference.
Cheers for adding this, either way it was all unnecessary
@@Vizeh Just to add one thing to that, you could make a routine video series delving into every clown show thing that's happened within the US Soccer over the past 2 years. From the Berhalter-Reyna debacle, to Major League Soccer trying to monopolize the professional side of the sport as well as attempt to kill the oldest soccer tournament in this country(US Open Cup), to how the commissioner of Major League Soccer sits on the board of the United States Soccer Federation which totally doesn't create a conflict of interest.
Insane what Berhalter can do to a team in all the worst ways
The power of soccer
I am from the United States.
I've been watching your stuff for the past 7 years.
Keep it up mate!
ANd yeah. The state of football is dissapointing here in America.
I was legit having a conversation about how Colombia beat Uruguay with 10 men, and my friend said this:
"Explain it to me in American football terms, not that soccer stuff".
Bruh.
Thank you Tim Weah🙏
Yeah this Pay to Pay system sucks, having been raised by a single mother I had absolutely no chance in getting very far with soccer. I know its not much but I played from ages 4-8 and for that age I was pretty good. A couple of coaches from more serious teams pulled me and my mom aside after games offering to get me on the team. Totally leaving out the fact I didn't have my dad around to be a driving force in sports for me.. My mom simply didn't have the money or time commitment for even that level and age of play, we shortly moved states and it was an even worse set up where my mom would have had to drive me 30mins there and back every practice for even the most basic of teams. No chance.
It was either Carli Lloyd or Clint Dempsey but one of them said they are too comfortable with the locker room, hard decisions have to be made with this team and no one can be safe
They absolutely are. These players are soft and the USSF and Berhalter absolutely coddled a select group of 5-6 players
Growing up in America I’m so glad you acknowledge the pay to play aspect…
I was not able to afford playing at better teams. They were either too far away or cost too much to take part of! I still decided to continue rec soccer and train at home with my small goal as much as possible.
It wasn’t until a friend’s father moved their “Premiere” level team to my hometown.
In America there are different levels:
(From lowest to highest)
Recreational
Select
Premiere
Olympic Development
I managed to make my high school team, and also made the premiere team that came to my hometown. I just wanna say thank you to that coach, Marcos.
If it wasn’t for him I would have never grown into the player I did become. I would have never even had the chance to learn football at a high level. Playing on his team allowed me to understand the game more. It made me train harder and eventually allowed me to join a Division 1 College.
The American system is broken for Football ⚽️ but I will never forget the coach who helped me grow so much…
P.S. I’d also like to acknowledge a Brazilian training camp that came to my hometown as well one summer. They massively progressed my depth of technique and encouraged me to enjoy the game like never before! It would be a shame if I didn’t mention them, and it goes to show how important support is for grass roots football. Even in America….
Americans who love the sport (so basically anybody who would watch this video) are "football fluent" meaning we don't care if you say soccer or football. Most of us interchangeably use both terms depending on who we're talking to. I find it so strange when Brits feel like they're offending Americans by calling it football. We don't care. We use soccer to differentiate when talking about sports with other Americans. But if we're watching a football youtuber, we're not gonna get confused as to what sport you're referring to...
If you watch any old British documentary film - pre-60s - or look at old newspapers the British themselves called it soccer more often than not. Apparently the typical British fan today thinks 'soccer' is an Americanism.
Yea plus they said it until the 80s or whatever then you point that out they wanna get mad
For anyone a bit confused on the pay to play in America I’ll explain. In the US the undeniably top 2 youth leagues is MLS next and ECNL. MLS next is where the academy’s play and is directly connected with the mls. In MLS next there are mls academies and also regular clubs. The mls academies like LA galaxy NE revolution Philly union etc are free to play for if your good enough. Including travel and everything. Now that may seem good but the problem is that unlike in Europe where for example the Ajax or Real Madrid academies start as young as U-8 or U-7 which is when kids are somewhat at the same level no matter how rich they are, mls
academies start at U-12. At 12 years old there is already a massive gap between the kids who can afford to get a private coach or equipment etc and those who can’t. The mls next clubs are not free. These are teams that are not affiliated with the mls but are big clubs in youth soccer for example Boston Bolts. The MLS next teams for a club like Boston bolts can cost up to 15k a year sometimes. Then there’s ecnl where all teams are pay to play starting at around 3k for the cheapest teams and up to almost 20k for some of the better teams including travel. This structure is something that is not going to be easy to work around in the us.
The biggest problem is soccer is a business in the US. Parents pay $5-7k a year from the age of 6. It’s insane.
A manager I want the US to appoint is Herve Renard. Big reputation on intl comps. Won AFCON with Zambia and Ivory Coast, beat Argentina in WC with Saudi Arabia. He could get the best out of this team
I personally think that the USMNT were right to sack Gregg Berhalter following their embarrassing exit from the group stages of the Copa América on home soil despite having a favorable group and you can’t tell me that you as a manager were fired by the same team twice. Apart from winning a couple of Mickey Mouse trophies in CONCAAF and then getting to the RD of 16 at the World Cup, they haven’t really gotten any better under Berhalter as in fact, their team has gone backwards and they’ve decided that they need a change in the managerial position and we have to see a better trajectory within this team if they are to be taken seriously because they had a chance to do that at the Copa América, but they blew it and you just don’t know if they’ll ever become a top soccer team because the USWNT the women’s team is much better than the men’s team and that’s how it’s always been in the USA and unfortunately for men soccer is a European sport as other sports are more popular in America. They’re preparing for the 2026 World Cup with a better manager which again it’s going to be held at home for them.
In the United States, soccer is the only sport that is behind because you look at other sports like basketball baseball football etc, they’re regularly producing top class athletes and coaches and they have a plan for their development when they go pro, I’m not trying to say that their soccer team their players need to be on the same caliber as Messi Ronaldo Neymar or Mbappe as most of the players they have can’t even start on a mid table team in Europe, but their national team given the population of this country still hasn’t found a proper manager and you can’t tell me that they have a player in their squad who’s truly world class. There’s a lot of talk about them potentially hiring Jurgen Klopp one of the greatest managers in football history and he is without a job following his recent departure from Liverpool and he’s temporarily taking a break from coaching, and I do believe that they need an actual manager, people need to realize that coaching isn’t what’s going to solve everything, as the core issues in North America needs to be fixed because this isn’t good enough.
should have sacked him before the world cup in 2022
soccer has grown a lot in terms of reputation and youth level in the past 10-15 years. however, all the problems you mentioned are still very much endemic.
i'm the first person in my family to do competitive sport, and i chose soccer. small youth clubs are super cheap, where i started, but they're more about being active than developing players. i know parents paying 10k/year for their kids' youth clubs (5-10k per year is standard for elite youth clubs), and they're not even going pro, they're maybe going D1 for college. my mom paid about 3k/year during my teenage years, and even then, my club/team wasn't sending anyone to D1 or pro.
and like you said, that's on top of travel costs. you also need parents/guardians who can take time off work to drive/fly you across the country and stay in hotels to go to these elite tournaments, and then maybe get scouted for D1 colleges for MLS academies. going to any elite soccer level takes a LOT of money and luck (getting seen by someone notable).
there's more and more academies being built, yes. there's more and more "semi-pro" teams being founded and joining leagues, yes. and this is good for the game in general. but there's no "league pyramid" like in england, so there's no clear path to going pro. youth clubs are truly about getting more players to make more money. if their former players go pro / D1, that's a bonus to advertise. to get more players 😂
as for the USMNT, they need a coach who's willing to pick a system and players to play that system. it feels like we just play our best players instead of our best team, and they end up looking like 11 individuals as such. i attended the 5-1 loss to colombia and each player was their own island.
the stereotypical arrogance needs to be shelved. some of the best players , talent-wise, may need to be benched in favor of a balanced and complete starting 11. and imo, stop listening to former players ffs (ESPECIALLY alexi lalas), listen to the fans and those who WANT to play soccer in the future. not the people who played in the past.
Leading up to the Copa America the writing was on the wall. A loss away to T&T where Dest threw a tantrum and got sent off. Barely scraping by Jamaica in the Nations League semi final thanks to a late own goal tying the game. 5-1 loss to Columbia. Terrible tactics and squad selection. Our best play over the past years was in between Gregg’s periods under Anthony Hudson and BJ Callahan.
The US (& Mexico before 2020’s) biggest issues is, they’re a big fish in a small pond in Concacaf. Much like PSG in Ligue 1, they’re never really challenged week in week out and when the big games in UCL come about the lack of adversity they face domestically shows when they face adversity in the UCL knockout stages. USA doesn’t face much adversity, yes they missed the WC in 2018 but with the expansion of World Cup I doubt that will happen again. In the Gold Cup they can send an alternative team and win it like in 2021. In the WC against Netherlands the difference and confidence from the Dutch coach & players is what separated each team. Against Uruguay in Copa America, apart from the terrible referee, it was more of the same as the Netherlands in the Workd Cup. The comfortness Concacaf gives the US doesn’t help them. It certainly doesn’t help the players egos too or to justify a coach like Berhalter to be rehired after moving on.
I’m a Mexico fan, winning the Gold Cup last summer was the worse thing to happen. It set us back even more years, it justified an incompetent coach & players who shouldn’t even still be called up. Now another World Cup cycle has been wasted with another terrible Copa America.
I went to the US vs Panama match, when they announced the line up and said Gregg's name, boos were everywhere, we kept giving the ball away and can't attack even thought the attacking skill of the US vs Panama's defense is outclassed.
The US losing to Panama was very reminiscent of England losing to Iceland in 2016: both teams were so bad to the point of rooting for them to lose.
England lost to Iceland in a friendly before the Euro 2024 had kicked off, but now they only have several hours away for winning their first major trophy since 1966.
Vizeh we are in shambles but so glad you did a video on us
It's a rough time man jesus
Apart from that it’s hard to find quality pitches in the U.S. to play in without getting trespassed. Very crazy stuff
I’d love if you did one on my country Jamaica 🇯🇲. Blessings from the Caribbean and keep the videos coming!👍
Much love bro, of course!
I'm an American. In fact I was at the Uruguay game in Kansas City. Berhalter being gone is step 1. He was a decent coach, but he wasn't ever going to be a top coach. I hope for Herve to bring us a QF game in 2026, but I'm not going to have crazy high expectations. The pieces are there, but we never seem to bring it together quickly enough for the big tournaments.
(And yes, we did chant "Fire Gregg' on the way out of the stadium)
I agree 100% with you about the pay-to-play. That is why our better athletes go to other sports. Almost every college American football team has former Soccer players(I'm American) on them. Our current Roster has only played to their potential for 4 matches in these last 6 years. Those 4 matches are the ones Gregg didn't manage them. People here in the States love to put all the blame on the players when they are clueless about how Gregg is a control freak. He controls every aspect of the pitch with his rigid system. Players do not have the freedom to create. 'System is more important than Goals' Thats a quote that came directly from Gregg. An equipment manager(BJ) had this group of players playing their best and that is because he let the players do their thing.
Your better athletes go to other sports?
Sure if basketball and american football players had chosen soccer you could field 11 goalkeepers and would become unbeatable. 😅
As a baller from the USA, the game is very influenced by the saying “pay to play”. Many poor people in my country do not have the money to sign up for trainings and youth academies which leads to a big deficit in finding good, young players. Players only get scouted for there national team or other mls clubs if their parents don’t paid the hefty fee
Shouts: “Leave USA alone!“ cries into forearm
*maqwell intensifies*
As a US fan, we can all agree that Alexi Lalas sucks and is a terrible human being and I literally skipped the 7 minute section where he thinks he's a god and shitting on the players he think couldn't even play near his level.
As a Canadian / (very loose) Canada MNT fan, I'm glad Americans don't like him either.
His "I have to see Canada doing this? anybody but Canada!" comments came off as extremely salty / entitled.
Who? Genuinely never heard of them.
Woah he was calling out old usmnt legends that didn't need to be there anymore
@@luckymark571 the way he does it is insufferable, because he’s an insufferable human being.
More about the academy’s not caring about players as an American some teams such as Raleigh’s ( near where TST tournament was) youth team has 7-8 different teams with “different levels” but only like top 2 really matter for development.
Soccers issue in America is the cost to get your kid on a travel club team. My dad had to walk away from putting me on a travel team because it started at 6k. And that’s without travel costs. That was 2006 not much has changed
Big thing I'd say about the USMNT vs Canada's NT for example is the actual playing experience the players get. (Berhalter has obvs been a very mid-low tier manager for the US but everyone has mentioned this already)
The US (and other) media/fans always harp on about all of the USAmerican players "playing" at top leagues in Europe but in reality the game time they're getting is very low.
Matt Turner is at Forest in the prem but played less than half the season as their #1. Geo Reyna was loaned out by Dortmund to get minutes but only played about 5-10 times. Tyler adams played FOUR times for bournemouth ALL SEASON.
Aside from Weston McKennie & Christian Pulisic who show genuine ability and relative consistency, the USMNT "Golden Generation" is more similar to a Golden Gen like Australia's in the 2000s (with Schwarzer, Cahill, Viduka, Kewell etc.) Than one like Belgiums of the 2010s which magically won nothing.
These players need to find clubs that will play them week in, week out so they can build on what they are already capable of.
Canada utilised many MLS players, with just about every player being a vital component of their teams, they know how to be the leader and do the key team acts that drive and inspire the rest of the squad. USMNT lack that focal point.
Purely spitballing though
To put it in perspective. Gregg Berhalter is like Southgate without the talent at his disposal AND worse tactics. He was a mid level MLS coach who never won anything and was fired from a second division Swedish team. He greatly held the team back, but mainly got his job through nepotism (his brother was 2nd in charge of USSF when he was hired).
No rational US fan expects the US to become some world beater with a new coach, but at this point we should be competing with the 3rd/4th best teams in south america. Losing to panama with our line up, even a man down, is embarrassing.
As an American there are so many sick athletes that could play soccer at a high level. The 2 biggest sports (American) football and basketball both have some size limitations, so a lot of the best high school athletes are simply too small to continue to play high level sports in college, but they could have been great at soccer if they played it as youth, but youth clubs are crazy expensive. They have huge tournaments in the city where I’m from and it’s 50 dollars just for parents to park so I can’t imagine how much the actual team costs
I’m not gonna act like I’m some elite level hooper but I grew to 5’8 on a good day and played basketball at 5a level and even had some juco opportunities but my point is yeah Ik a lot of people who were shorter and better than me who simply couldn’t really move to the next level cause they were like 5’4 and slightly above wonder how good they would be if they were obsessed with dribbling with their feet and not their hands
CONCACAF: Where you can play in literal cow pastures at 1 pm in 95 degree Fahrenheit weather and not get a card for breaking an American player’s leg because “reasons”
Quick correction Vizeh, Donovan scored that famous 90th minute winner again Algeria not Nigeria. Quality vid regardless
Bro said Nigeria LOL
It literally cost $0 to play organized US football, B-Ball, and baseball growing up.
You could never guess what would happen in that stage? They lost 5-1 to Colombia right before the cup, they were getting battered again if they qualified just like Panamá did.
Former American grassroots player here. The whole “pay to play” system has really hindered development in young players. Clubs in the United States only seek profit and not development on a youth level which is why wealthier families are able to keep their child playing while others cannot. Also, the level of competition varies from year to year I cannot tell you how many times we were put in leagues that have just been created just for it to be rebranded next year. The closest thing to European youth clubs are MLS Next clubs which definitely do bring a higher level of competition but again it is very costly through fees and travel expenses. Ever since Messi came to United States it was believed he would have an impact on the country, but besides appearing in a few commercials for American brands I struggle to see any improvement on the youth level.
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The future was looking bright a few years ago because we had a bunch of young players playing in Europe. But ultimately these players are approaching their primes and not improving. Weah, Musah, Mckennie, Reyna, Adams are prime examples. The only good players we have rn are Pulisic, Balogun, Robinson, and maybe Adams/Dest but they can't stay healthy.
Tyler Adams I rate massively but he's just so rarely fit it's so annoying man
McKennie just had a good season. What are you saying
They're up and down in form and they were never going to be world class but they're still the greatest group of players collectively/individually we've ever had before, A better coach can absolutely get more out of them.
@@Warum.2439but he’s still too soft and he came into Copa America unfit and out of shape
@@Not_Sal okay but it was said that he didn’t improve and he did
Berhalter is gone!
*CRAB RAVE MUSIC*
In most countries in the world soccer is by far the most popular sport, for more than 100 years now. Children play it in schools, in the squares, in the streets. There are clubs (not franchises) that fulfill a social and sporting role, it is very different culturally speaking. Furthermore, CONCACAF does not have the same competitiveness as other continents, there are no world champions, Mexico has not even played in a final in its history. Until not many decades ago, the USA did not even have a national league, and today it does not even have relegations. The problems are many and varied to be top in the world. Regards from Argentina
12:24 Side Note: The 2000 Gold Cup was the only instances that neither Mexico nor the United States were in the Final. Both teams were knocked out in the quarterfinals by none other than Canada and Colombia respectively, who were playing in the Final at that time. Canada beat Colombia 2-0 to win the tournament. It's even surprising for the Colombians, as they somehow recovered back to win their (last) Copa America trophy a year later at the home soil, which might be repeated again in this Copa America Final against Argentina on this Sunday morning (Monday morning in our local time).
As an american its been mind-numbing watching what US soccer has done to my team. But hiring berhalter has wasted the best team weve ever had. The Federation chose corruption and nepotism over success on the pitch and now were 2 years out from the most important month in the history of the sport for the United States and we have no goalie, no real center backs, no coach, no direction, and it looks like the federation is about to repeat their mistake again by hiring Cherundolo to be the coach over literally anyone with a real coaching resume. They just talked to Klopp for the headlines and everyone knows it.
I mean for gods sake you can't tell me that man for man we aren't at least on Morocco's level. Its embarrassing at how tactically inept we have been under a series of terrible mls quality coaches who don't even play our best players in their correct positions, if they paly them at all. Gio Reyna is not a winger or a regista. Pulisic is not a back-to-goal central forward. Matt Turner is not a sweeper keeper who we pass around the back with. Anyone with eyes can see these things, but apparently not US Soccer
USA lost in American Football 2 weeks ago against Japan and Austria. Mens National Basketball team lost against Germany and Lithuania at FIBA World Cup. USMNT and Beerholders brother thought they can fly under the radar and sign Beerholder another time, but this time fans went crazy. Maqwell and Zealandism having big party. Never seen those guys so happy.
Don't forget the USWNT (women's soccer team) as well. They suffered the worst results in major tournament the last year, crashing out in Round of 16 to Sweden on penalties. In the past, they are used to be the "Brazil" of the women's football, winning four World Cups.
@@ezraezra2928 I'm 43 old Jordan fan. I tuned into Basketball recently and this LeBum and his son story is all American media talk about. It's ridiculous. I went straight back to football. American sports associations have a big nepotism problem.
USA American football team has explicit rules to keep the team worse. Please just do some basic research bro
As a Costa Rican, we enjoy seeing USA and México collapse. They've made the Gold Cup a duopoly for almost the entire century filled with controversial referee decisions nearly every single time, mostly México.
The moment that really turned us against the USA entirely was when we played away against them during the 2014 qualifers. Despite the snow, low temperature, and all signs telling that it shouldn't have been played, it went on. We lost 0-1. We got our comeback at home but we don't forget.
Also they tried to colonize the entire continent back in the 19th Century but they won't tell you about it nor the name we associate with this, William Walker.
October 10th 2017 might be the only time I’ve ever cried watching a sporting event
I cried when the eagles, dodgers and idk who else lost all in the same season.
Also cried when inter Milan lost to man city
It was not only a bad day for the US Soccer. There were so many big nations missing out in 2018 World Cup. Italy and the Netherlands were the biggest one, with Italy even missing out the next 2 World Cups in a row.
6:54 and I may add, at that point we hadn't beaten the US away since May 1985 and in turn, kicked them out of the 1986 World Cup.
9:42 it was nothing short of a miracle that we qualified for the IC playoffs, considering that by the end of MD7 we were one non-win away of being out of the World Cup altogether.
For the first case, the US had actually beat Mexico away in 2012, but that was a friendly game.
Honestly it just comes down to the federation being more worried about profits rather than growing the game
Another big problem I see is how much influence MLS has on the U.S. Federation and how they prevent any changes that would help grassroots or lower leagues develop. Don Garber, MLS Commissioner, is on the board of the federation (also has been commissioner since the 90s)
Edit: Also any manager is better that Gregg. Dude won nothing in MLS, which is shocking cause he led one of the most talented teams in the league in Columbus Crew, and got fired from a Swedish Second Division team for not having developed attacking football
Im from American & was fortunate enough to get in a record breaking "travel/select club" the Fayetteville Force in NC which got me on the 84'Youth USA National Squad. Even "back then" I obviously couldn't fully grasp it, but even I knew how expensive it was! & I'm talking if you were good enough to make the team! "paying to play" wasn't really too ramp it like it seems now. But obviously, you'd come across teams with 2-3 players that clearly couldn't cut it but because of "Daddy's $ & Nut Hugging" they where there, even if they were on the bench! & It's a huge commitment on your part & your parents/whoever gets you to where you need to be. Hotels for weeks at a time, food, gas,ect. I can only imagine how egregious it is today!😳 I remember even just out uniforms were like $350-$400! We had the matching bags, warm ups in both home & away colors & the uniforms but damn! Even when we 1st got officially sponsored, there was still a fee to play! Again I was younger but I believe it was like a $200-250 fee for your registration & whatever the fuck they did with it!🤣 Hate to hear about The US & "Pay to Play" it really does stifle genuine growth & doesn't give the kids who deserve a spot a chance! SMFH & MFers wonder why we are still a Joke in Futbol/Soccer! 😏🤘🏾🫡
Try to imagine a world where Tom Brady becomes a goalkeeper or center back. it sounds insane to me.
nah mate call it football, it’s what it is -an american
Contrary to the rest of the world, the Gold cup in recent years has actually taken a backseat to nations league. It’s scheduled at weird times during the MLS and Liga MX seasons as well as right at the end of European preseason, so the top countries have sort of all handshaken to make the nations league (which occurs at better times in the calendar year) the premier competition
Glad you made a video about this, got my chips and ready to watch this banger. Keep it up man almsot to 450k!
Thank you bro!
@@Vizeh No problem I hope Ill be able to make content like this one day.
Could you do a video on Canada? We were very big underdogs in Copa America and ended up in a Sem-Final with Argentina. We had some players emerge as stars for us like Ismael Kone, who you might recognise from Watford. The Canadian Soccer Federation was also very close to going bankrupt before the tournament started. Thought it could be an interesting video.
I was unfortunately waiting for this video to happen
Gregg's rehiring had me pissed that the USSF did that. Them getting hosed Colombia in a Friendly was my breaking point. So glad that there was far more outrage after getting Grouped this time around. Lot of pressure on Social Media to have Gregg gone. Yes Pay to Play has a big factor. I cannot imagine my Parents paying so much so that I can play when I could just play with my Friends at a local park without a problem.
You could have touched on sergino dest and his dismissal from the national team
Factor in the players’ lack of fight, the coach fostering complacency, the lack of rushing to right the ship by the federation, and the fan outrage at not even exceeding minimal expectations, you can clearly see that the United States men has hit a ceiling with Berhalter.
A new coach may originally be a Berhalter level at first or a slight downgrade, if he can instill a culture shift and make these players fight for every ball, then there is a fighting chance they can burst through the ceiling and find new levels of greatness.
The most important thing now is getting the coaching decision right. With the World Cup being less than 2 years away, we can’t settle for a MLS coach. Find a coach with a solid international background like Herve Renard, and build from there.
Edit: also since the formation of the CONCACAF Nations League, the USA really haven’t been sending their best talent to play in the Gold Cup. And Vizeh also proudly forgets that Mexico haven’t beaten the US since September 2019 apparently?
I am an American and the pay to play system is a mess. I am surprised a Burnley fan from the UK knows about this because most Americans don't but I digress. The USA got rid of Berhalter today but I was telling my friend... who are we going to hire? Jurgen Klopp wants a break and I guarantee wants to work in Germany. They are talking about Viera... no. Henry... No. I have even heard Arsene Wenger but no, he is retired. The problem is no one wants to manage the United States, we have a lot of money but who wants to have to deal with the pay to play system? Can you imagine the Soccer Association telling Jurgen Klopp who he has to play? Yeah right, that would be a disaster, so I don't know what the USA is going to do.
Thing is you don’t have a lot of money because you’d be doubling the wage of whoever you pay to manage the men’s side since the equal pay lawsuits’ settlement means equity between the men’s and women’s coach payments. So you’d be paying for 2 Jurgen Klopp’s instead of 1 by hiring him(which probably made USASF low ball him) . Nevermind the fact that he probably just doesn’t believe in your squad seeing how unimpressive its star players are. America can’t even reliably park the bus unless its against England and Klopp would only manage a team he could get his style of play into like Ragnick with Austria or Bielsa with Uruguay
American here; 100% nothing will change unless we get rid of pay to play in not just football but all sports. Our culture and attitude towards sports isn't organic or community base, but similarly to what you said, more a financial gain where the participants are assest instead of people to grow and change. Plus, it makes it hard to want to back the players if it is a pay to play system, as why would I wanna support rich people who arguably don't deserve an opportunity as much as raw talent that got unnoticed and neglected because their parents couldn't pay for the travel fees (or at least that's my opinion)
Predicting getting knocked out in the round of 16 at the very best, if we get out the group
Greg Berhalter getting sacked was a shocker
For me as an American and a soccer fan, there is sometimes a good squad or bad squad but I know that hearing the coach being fired is quite odd. But they need a new manager before the Olympics begin and really need to try to win gold rather than silverware because earning a gold medal in the Olympics is the biggest moment for each sport in the US and we believe in it at all times and cannot wait until their first soccer game against France in the Olympics. 🇺🇲🇺🇸🇺🇲
American here.
I think that for usmnt to be able to be a world powerhouse there needs to be changes in the MLS. just gonna talk about that part of us soccer cuz I don't need to write a book (tell me if I should tho am considering it lmfao)
step one
I think that MLS needs to be restructured and us soccer needs to be re structured like the rest of the world. Promotion and relegations should never have not happened, it only creates complacency which is the greatest problem in all American sports. (ex us basketball teams are not immune to losing and often lose to European teams, and the us basketball team lost to Lithuania but I digress.
the way us sports all work is that the league is closed creating the most lucrative league of that sport in the world except for soccer. I think MLS should be the top tier with several tiers below (this should be how all us sports work imo but I digress.)
anyway step one is promotion and relegations with functioning tier systems probably like in Germany.
step two is to garner actual genuine infatuation with soccer, so get rid of the fucking rules that you need 9 years of college to understand in the mls.
the most ridiculous part of MLS is that the best American players likely ever bar Landon Donovan have never plied their trade in America due to wage rules and roster registration shenanigans. If the US is to be good at soccer people have to like it. Why should I as a resident in Salt Lake City give a flying fuck about Real Salt Lake if all the players that are any good aren't American and all the good American players play in Europe. If I'm not going to watch RSL why should I watch the MLS. I already don't care about the club and the lack of American talent being there only magnifies that. I know that for us soccer to take off there needs to be an abolishment of the current rules in MLS and ones that actually allow clubs to try and put themselves on the map in USA other than Inter Miami w/ Messi. If the best players from America aren't in America nobody is going to watch American soccer but rather British soccer. (like even Cameron Carter vickers doesn't play in USA he plays for Celtic and he is proper shit.)
anyway: step two is the garner genuine interest in the sport and the only way for that to happen is to show the American people that the good players in the country aren't imported but we can make them, and to do that we have to let MLS teams pay the players the wage they deserve otherwise they'll play elsewhere.
step three is the actual soccer federation needs massive reform
I have a feeling the USSF has this complex where they think, "I'm not big deal cuz nobody in use cares about soccer so I can line my pockets, not worrying about the on field performance cuz nobody cares anyway." and for the first 100+ years of American soccer that was very true. Now that's different, people are watching soccer, (and it's not American soccer but I already showed how to fix that maybe). they still watch the usmnt, and we see the issues. Since for so long the USSF was operating fairly unregulated and corruptly Greg Berhalter was hired by his brother in effect while much more qualified managers were available, (bear in mind he was fired by Hammarby in Sweden at the time in the supprettan for playing boring soccer, nobody fired from the supprettan should be manager of the usmnt). This is a sign of what is likely full and total corruption in the federation that needs regulation and addressing immediately.
overall step three is the weed out corruption and have a function federation not focused exclusively on profit.
feel free to critique, I'm 5 beers in and its midnight.
edit: pay to play is bullshit, and in my vision with he new us soccer it would be abolished and a youth academy system would be implemented.
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Viz great vid but donyou know how you done a euro iceberg are you going to maje a copa iceberg?
Love the video, and completely agree with all the pay to play points you made
I wanna point out one thing though just to give a bit more context:
The US (and to a lesser extent Mexico and Canada) since the nations league’s creation, view the Gold Cup as a second rate tournament (behind the Nations League).
If you look at the rosters (and results) for the gold cup we played Dejuan Jones at LB, Alejandro Zendejas at RW and Jesus Ferreira at ST. For the Nations league we played Antonee Robinson at LB, Timothy Weah at RW and Flo Balogun at ST.
I point that out because if you’re gonna use the Gold Cup as an example it’s good to just add some context.
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You should see the coaches licensing system over here. Absolutely insane. So, not only do we limit our player pool through the "pay to play" model, but we also shoot ourselves in the foot with coaching licenses. It's expensive, and once you get high enough in the licensing process they begin forcing you to play and coach the style they want you to coach. No regard for the players on the roster, or what tactics fit your squad best. It's down the wings, then to the middle, then down the wings, then back to the middle or you won't get your license that you just paid $3000 for.
American here. I was totally unware of the pay to play system until this video. Corporate greed is a fairly common topic in our country but this is beyond shameful. The amount of talent we are wasting because they don't have the finaincial means must be astounding.
At this point, they should take a chance and hire maqwell.
Someone get Alexi Lalas permanently removed off air. It's so embarrassing to watch his bullshit
I can guarantee that most people calling the players overrated don't actually watch the players with their Club teams. Talent wise, I'd say the U.S. is on Par with maybe Austria.
Being a soccer fan and a USMNT supporter I think that are team needs to bring in a really good coach. I also think that the team has gone downhill since they didn’t make the World Cup in 2018, and yes the team beat Mexico with a B squad in the Gold Cup in 2021, but I feel like we need more talent and having the players from Europe being called into to play for the team.
As a Brazilian, I literally cannot understand how pay to play is even possible... Here, it's pretty much the other way around. Football is seen as one of the few real opportunities out of poverty for many many families. Football teams will pay scholarships at private schools and even an allowance for talented kids (I'm talking under 12 here). Take Endrick, for example. He's from Brasília, very far away from São Paulo, and his family was really poor. Palmeiras not only gave him an allowance, but also gave his father a job as a janitor so they could come to São Paulo and Endrick could play for them (this happened when he was 11 btw). Here, teams fight (and pay) for talent, but in the US it looks like it's the other way around...
I am surprised, a lot of dutch local clubs get sponsorships from local businesses and the big banks of the country use a decent chunk of change to sponsor memberships to have their logo's everywhere. I am surprised the overly sponsorship heavy USA isn't using a similar method to atleast have some sort of help with keeping it affordable...
The demise of the USMNT comes down to one word.That you mentioned in your video,Vizeh.And that word is ....arrogance.From since that dreadful day that happen in my beautiful country of Trinidad and Tobago.This team has been gased up by their media and pundits as this "golden generation".When they haven't done anything to get that title.And this team has been overflowing with arrogance.So in a way,this is karma.
Karma? this team won the nations league and other trophies while yall lost to a Canadian team with a horrible coach. Stay humble Trinidadians, you've never won a gold cup nor participated in a copa america lmfaoo. Thanks for helping the USA getting rid of their coach.
Coaches and the federation are arrogant, sure that's true. Wish you guys luck in the World Cup qualifiers
This is US’ golden generation because we have the most amount of European-based player in USMNT’s history, swept clean 3 CONCACAF Nations League, and 5-years long clean record against their most bitter rival (Mexico), but is somehow held up because of our incompetent coach, Gregg Berhatler.
Remember that the US didn’t have a world-class national team until early 2000s, so the bar is actually pretty low.
I didn't realize how dumb and corrupt soccer had become in the US until my nephew played in middle school and high school. My nephew was a great defender. 7th grade he missed out on the team because the coach had too many players trying out so he made them do 1 mls pen, you make it you stay, you miss your out. He missed, that team won 0 games that season. Next year he plays, they go undefeated. In HS you basically had to pay $300 to attend a soccer clinic that if you didn't attend you wouldn't join the team. The coach had all the academy players practice with him, had everyone else practice on their own or with the assistant on other side of the field. Had we not called the coach out on some other shady things my nephew would not even have gotten a proper look. Then on the varsity playing time was all behind the scenes parent/coach/academy coaches deals. There was so much talent but about 12 elite players never saw any playing time. It was a waste of time, money, and talent.
For context, In the 2023 gold cup, the US only played their B team for the tournament, and also did not have a set manager at the time.