Addressing Immeasurable Speed Shinra
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- Опубліковано 24 січ 2022
- Addressing these “immeasurable speed Shinra debunks” I keep hearing about. Expect a full scale of Shinra Kusakabe from the Fire Force Manga here soon!
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By definition, Immeasurable speed - Movement beyond linear time.
This speed cannot be measured. If T is undefined, then the speed formula cannot be applied, making the calculation impossible
So technically the speed formula for immeasurable would be
"D/undefined", since there is no defined time, the formula itself breaks
Now, if tou travel back in time, it means you got negative speed, so in the formula it would be
"D/-20s"
I used -20 seconds, but it can be any amount of negative time
In this case the formula doesn't break, this because negative time is still linear time. In short words, travelling to the future or to the past it's still linear.
So yeah, going back in the past it's not immeasurable speed
Great calculate the speed how many miles per hour would moving in negative time be
@@somerandomdude827 You would go back in time? Did you seriously ask for Mph when people are talking about FTL - Immeasurable speed?
You copied Drip sauce's debunk word for word didnt ya? 💀😭
nah drip used my debunk but since i dont have a voice in the powerscaling community nobody believes me. i have old screenshots proving my claim @@Reddly42
and even then i told drip it was ratty and he ran with it@@Reddly42
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Yeah so basically there is no problem with shinra scaling. There is a problem immeasurable speed scaling. Shinra speed was and still is fairly rated but immeasurable speed is overrated. Shinra speed does not change but speed of anyone with immeasurable speed scaling based on their speed effect on time, does change to ftl
2:50 yes I want a video explaining this
lemme know if I’m wrong on this…
linear time definition : Linear time is time that is perceived by the human senses as a referential point that has a beginning and an end, (e.g. yesterday started at 12 a.m. and ended at 11:59 p.m).
to put it on basic terms,linear time is referenced as something that is a line that has a beginning and a end.
for example,linear numbers,such as 1,2,3, etc are linear,,even negatives are linear.
-1,-2,-3, etc are still linear because they can be lineally defined by a temporal axis.
to be immeasurable in speed,you have to be unbounded by the speed formula, break it,and become immeasurable. (t=time, movement beyond t =undefined movement=immeasurable speed).
simply put,immeasurable speed is movement beyond linear time. moving, stopping, and going backwards in time isn’t immeasurable speed,because you’re still defined by a temporal axis,you’re not unbounded by time in its entirety.
some verses use the theory of relativity to go back in time. that’s not immeasurable speed though,that’s just ftl (faster than light) ,because in ff (fire force), when you go faster than light, you go back in time.
and I’ve already made it clear that going backwards in time is still linear movement,still quantifiable timeframe,and thus not immeasurable speed scaling.
1 thing, shinra moves in 0 seconds alright? distance/time, lets say he were to move 5km, 5/0, which is undefined, meaning breaking the formula
@@Titan-1104 No, if it was undefined, we’d still be able to quantify it, because when you put it in a calculator it’ll still be able to define the undefined. So technically, it wouldn’t break the formula, since we’re still able to understand, and therefore quantify its semantical value. And also, shinra didn’t move in 0 time, he went back in time, which is negative, unlike positive or 0 where you’re moving forward or you’re in the present.
@@Rhetorical_Ife are u good? Undefined means undefined, meaning not possible to find, ofc a calf won't have all the buttons to do impossible calculations since there useless and impossible
@@Titan-1104 No, that simply means you aren't able to define it. Quantify ≠ define. And you haven't refuted my assertion of Shinra moving in negative time, not 0 time. 0 does break the formula (for calculating division problems ONLY), but not in the way you claim it does.
@@Rhetorical_Ife going a certain distance in negative time means if u move more u take less time which in the end is easily breaking how time works
Bruh the show literally said "He moves toward light speed then surpasses it" meaning at the lowest, he moves FTL
Bruh just because It says light speed doesn't mean he's just moving that fast, when his literally going back in time with share speed
I mean this based off vs battle wiki so is it credible? And second he needs to be blessed by "grace" to even time travel when he moves ftl.
he turned into god
flash travelled back in time with Mac 70 speed (CW), so yeah travelling back in time using speed doesn' make him Immeasurable speed
bruh that's because of cosmology my dude that's the same reason shinra is not Immeasurable speed
Also Time Travel does lead to FTL while Flash was a plot device
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Why do you bring a high outer beinginto a battle when he's battling am outer-universal being
For flash case light is actually faster in DC because approaching the speed of light can make you go to the speed force which is an outerversal realm
but didnt he prove adolla is also a outerversal realm?
@@ryandillard897 yea sure
There are a lot of characters reaching that speed yet the only ones who can go to the speed force are the once connected to it. And being able to reach an outerversal realm does not make light faster it just means that that's how the realm interacts with the world.
Time Travel isn’t Immeasurable speed
No but it’s a qualification for it 😁
By speed it is
Make that video I only liked for it
You didn't really debunk the last argument.
Fire Force verse operates under real life Physics in which FTL speeds can lead to immesurable speeds due to Special Relativity and such, where time slows down and distances shrink. Problem is, for other verses, they already reach FTL scaling but their verse does not use Relativity to change anything. You can just get infinitely faster.
So if a Fire Force character is inside another universe like DBZ, Naruto, or Bleach, their speeds would just be average scrub speeds and would not time travel, skip time, or whatever nonsense.
If another character is brought into the Fire Force verse, they'd be immesurable, irrelevant, or even nigh-omnipresent due to the different laws of physics.
Not going to watch another video of you explaining how this logic cannot be used, cuz I don't want to give you support.
Wanked characters for Fire Force exist - you clap
Wanked characters for other series - nononono, let's debunk them with the same logic that others use to debunk my Fire Force scaling.
Lol u said fax
Actually reaching FTL speeds using particle theory if translated over would mean he can literally enter dimension they wouldn't have access to. Because with said dimension reaching said speed would start to rip apart the atoms in the Air. Most anime don't use said particle theory because of the actual science behind ftl travel. Travel being the key word since most have combat to reaction speeds but not travel
he already debunked that genius, did you even see the video?
He himself said that if one verse has different laws or logic than another, both should have their logics and they should not both have the same.
this is the same, not seriously, the same as the stupid logic of goku not having chakra should not be affected, when more or less the same should be with naruto for not having ki.
and if they both had it, then one of them would literally lose its distinctiveness.
did you notice that problem? or do you just say that because yes.
If we put goku in fire force, he won't be immeasurable speed, because in his verse, his logic is that you can't travel in time, even going faster than light.
so that is not done, because it is not in the character or characteristics of the verse.
like i say,is like goku does not have chakra so he is not affected,and naruto does not have ki,also not affected.
is stupid,that's way no one is gonna use the logic of one verse for the other verse,because it will break the character.
@@Joyscp999 I am not watching any more videos from an idiot. "Both should have their logics" is not an argument. Both should have the same rules to avoid unfair advantages.
There is no problem with making them the same. For Naruto vs Goku, making Chakra and Ki the same does not do anything except make the fight fair. The same thing for these Fire Force BS.
@@Zero-ef4sc
Fair? If you know how a battle would work where the two have the same logics, when they shouldn't.
It is not so that a combat is fair, it is so that it has logic.
because it is not logical that naruto has ki if ki is never used in naruto, or that goku has chakra, when chakra is never used in dragon ball.
or that naruto or goku have haki when neither of them ever has haki.
I know it sounds unfair,
but is it that, or simply contradict the characters themselves.
the same with shinra, shinra can travel in time going faster than light, but other verses do not use that logic, so they should not be applied if they are inside the fire force verse, because they do not use it and they are not part of the character.
also,i think they deleted your comment.
Is Naruto immeasurable ?
Definitely not lol
he is anywhere between relativistic+ and ftl+
Hell no 💀
I’m not sure if my comment was deleted or just never got posted but I’ll try and explain why this is definitely not immeasurable speed from Shinra, and the difference between the flash and Shinra.
1, Case by case simply is only referring to how their ability works. In order for it to be considered immeasurable speed, the character being able to go back in time has to be an affect of his speed alone, and not due to a consequence of their universes physics. If a character requires conditions they have no control over, then they do not qualify for immeasurable speed.
2,The argument that the fire force universe follows the same physics as our universe, with Einstein Theory Of Relativity, if true actually hurts the argument. As immeasurable speed requires you to be able to move though time. Which isn’t the case for our universe at all. Let’s use an example:
Let’s say we have 3 contestants in a race.
Person A Is going 50% the speed of light
Person B is going 100% the speed of light
Person C is going 200% the speed of light.
There is 1 person at the finish line to time each participants time.
The race is exactly 1 light second in distance. (299792.458km)
Person A would feel as if he got there in 1.73 seconds
Person B would feel as if they got there in 0 seconds
Person C would feel as if they got there in -.9 seconds.
However, to anyone who is standing still or not going speeds relative to them, such as the guy timing them at the finish line, Person A would be timed at 2 seconds, Person B would be timed for 1 second and person C would be timed for half a second. They are still travelling through time at the same rate as everyone else. *They* just won’t feel the affects of it due to time dilations.
3, The reason why this wouldn’t apply to the flash, as DC universe acts the same but in reverse to our universe, is because of his connection to the speed force, which is described as time itself and many more. But that’s just my understanding of it.
*Edit* This is not going based off the story narrative Just the examples people use in debates.
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Yeah and flash is still immeasurable speed there is so much more fucking feats he has that shows he has immeasurable speed, but meanwhile the laws in shinras world works, youll go back in tjme if you're ftl+ or mftl, you're literally changing topics rn why are you bringing flash into this, ik they're verses have similar laws of how speed works but you're supposed to debunk shinras speed not flash's 🤦 and within this video you have not debunk shinras speed at all, and in vs battles, you're supposed to follow the laws and cosmology of the verse of the character, that's why you can scale base superman to outversal despite showing feats of only multiversal destruction
Verse equalization only applies to nlfs such as the fact that non soul reaper won't be able to see soul reaper but within vsbattles wiki that will be considered as a nlf and be equalized so that even if you are not a soul reaper you will still be able to see the opponent and also will be to able to harm the opponent if you have the means to
The point of the video isn’t to debunk Shinra, on the contrary, it’s focused on addressing the most common “debunks” there are about it and proving them wrong. I advocate for immeasurable speed Shinra.
Fact is even with this in mind, Goku off scaling could still speed blitz before Shinra could accelerate towards the speed of light and beyond, rendering the time manipulation useless, because even if you want to classify it as immeasurable, we have a quantifiable speed that Shinra has to reach before transcending time
I think when he was literally in adolla, he was literally in a matter of, well, yeah, time travel.
also,shinra is able to react and move even in sho freezeing world,and sho freezing world has the time stop(the normal universe is normal, but for sho, everyone is frozen)so shinra can react to that even if he is not using super light speed
@@Joyscp999 time stop is nothing in DB, and these guys are in the quadrillions of times the speed of light minimum.
@@yalexander9432
hit not for time, the one that for time is guldo.
hit only jumps in time, but for it, time doesn't move.
also,shinra can just time travel like,instantly,is just,fast.
look chapter 216,shinra go super light speed instantly and not move even a milimiter and then time travel
@@Joyscp999 Hit can stop time he did it in the Anime, Also Shinra has to accelerate. He even did it against Hamuea. He had to accelerate the kick to traverse time. Goku could statue him
@@yalexander9432 1. actually, he only used a time skip, but he did it on himself and on the person he was going to kill
2.but shinra speeds up instantly