totally groundbreaking mobile film making app ever ，keep your great job on. hopefully someday you can make a comparison between raw mode and direct log mode， after all ， log has more friendly workflow than raw
Image quality is not filmmaking, it's a fraction of the equation. There are masterful films created with subpar image quality. Just setting the expectation and definition of "filmmaking" correctly so that ppl can learn more about the craft itself as a whole.
hi how to import the dng to davinci. i just came back to learn motioncam but after the new update the old step seems not working. i usually export the dng and go through motioncam tools again to render then the dng files can easily used in davinci. While now i have the problem the motincam tool doesnt recognize the file or the file cannot be select for render and if i select it, it only shows individual picture. also i cannot drag the file to davinci same happened with motioncam tools
Is the stabilization in this app the same as stock app stabilization? What about opening and controlling the app and recording video with the Galaxy Watch5 Pro?
Xiaomi 14U and MC is just better. No doubts here, especially when you crop in the footage. You can clearly see the post processing that you can disable on iPhone and the benefit of having DNG (pure RAW) on X14U.
When I mention chroma in the context of raw, I'm referring to the color detail and separation between channels, not chroma in the YUV sense (since, as you correctly pointed out, raw is RGB-based). The term 'chroma' here is more about visualizing color purity and channel independence. To display chroma details, I use a custom DCTL in DaVinci Resolve that isolates the color information by subtracting luminance from each RGB channel. This technique highlights the differences in how each color channel carries information. The reason this comparison is relevant in raw vs. iPhone video is because iPhone footage (or other log-compressed videos) often undergoes heavy chroma subsampling and aggressive denoising, which can blur fine color details. Raw data, on the other hand, preserves more native sensor information without this subsampling, allowing for clearer separation between red, green, and blue channel details. So while it's still RGB, the way each channel retains or loses color information is different between processed log video and raw. This visualization helps reveal how much color data is retained or smeared, exposing compression artifacts or the 'painterly' effect you sometimes see in compressed footage.
@@MotionCam One more question if I may. If you substract luminance from the RGB channels you get colorful but very flat image. However, your version is contrasty, is there any other processing you do here? It doesn't seem like a simple contrast adjustment.
@@AttilaBakosArt Good catch! When isolating chroma by subtracting luminance from RGB, the resulting image tends to be flat because chroma, by nature, has much lower amplitude compared to luma. To address this, we applied a non-linear remapping of chroma data into the luma channel. The process works by redistributing the magnitude of chromatic differences in a way that exaggerates smaller variations while preserving larger ones, which prevents weaker chroma signals from disappearing into the shadows. Essentially, it’s like stretching chroma detail into the luma domain for clearer visual separation. This remapping uses a perceptual scaling curve rather than a simple contrast boost. A linear adjustment would raise the entire chroma range uniformly, but that wouldn't emphasize the subtle shifts we're interested in. By applying a curve, areas with minimal chroma information stay closer to their original values, while regions with significant chroma differences are amplified. This produces the higher-contrast appearance you're seeing, even though the underlying chroma data remains the same. In practical terms, this lets us inspect how much chroma information survives processing (or is discarded), making artifacts and discrepancies between different capture methods much easier to spot.
@@MotionCam I appreciate the effort you put in your answers very much, and again, thanks a lot! I built my own DCTL a long time ago for the same purpose but I only analyse the Cr and Cb channels in grayscale with added linear contrast. I tried to convert them back to RGB with a fixed luma value, but as we discussed, the image was too flat and I couldn't figure out a clever way for a better visualization. Your method is very pleasing, I'll try to do something similar.
Does the Xiaomi footage use the multi-frame RAW noise reduction feature (looks like it from the temporal noise characteristics)? It was really effective when I was using it on a Samsung S23 Ultra, but I'm using an iPhone now. I do notice that the detail is worse like you show on this test for iPhone, but I prefer the iPhone workflow (Blackmagic Camera) more.
man this shit is awesome getting this cuality regarless the storage from this devices awesome idk what vivo does w the 200 ultrsa but i wanna see this app on that
@MotionCam Correct. It's entirely about post processing or no post processing. Post processing takes control away from the user. This is perfectly acceptable for general users but less desirable for creatives who want to be in control of their image. The bigger sensor of the Xiaomi will have nearly a negligible effect on the final output. The tiny differences won't even be processed by the eye of a general audience.
i download the Motion cam app on my Samsung Galaxy s24 Ultra what are the best settings as a beginner to experiment the video capturing as i dont have any PC for editing at the moment? Any android app that can edit the content from this awesome Motion Cam app? Thank you.
@@MotionCam fair point, still think it could be a bit more natural, the beauty is that it would make motioncam stand out even more as crushing the shadows less would expose (heh) the iPhone's weakness a bit more. Still awesome comparison
@@MotionCam I saw there are significant chromatic aberration at the high contrast area in the MotionCam footage, so I guess it's recorded in storage reduction mode （by skipping 2 lines of 3) , haven't using the full resolution mode to reduce the chromatic aberration.
Why is there so much noise on the iPhone in 2:43? Is it really main lens at 30 fps? It's not even that noisy at night. One thing that iPhone is better at - stabilization by default. For MotionCam gimbal is pretty much a must have if there is any movement involved. Gyroflow is overly complicated in my opinion.
i disagree. stabilization on iphone makes the footage looks like shit. there s a weird jitter that if you wanna make spmething high quality that wont do it
Only thing that can save apple in future is 6K Bayer downsampled to 4K ProRes LOG :) else their chroma denoising isn't high quality leading to wider colour blotches. Rest they also need to fix the lowered white clipping point bug in manual exposure mode. 2-3 years back with iphone 12/13 pro they were not even meeting the bare minimum standards thanks to LTM Rec.709 :)
It's inaccrate to compare apple log in the low light condition with still camera position, of course it brings noise reduce a lot in the still pixels, motion view will be way worse than Mi14
@@MotionCam Yes I mean it's impoved the pixel quality that where the area won't move, for example the buildings, as the comparison the raw footage has uniform noise distribution
Totally get what you're saying! These shots are on a tripod because we wanted to show what the footage can really do at its best. MotionCam isn’t trying to be a point-and-shoot app like the iPhone. It's more for people who want full control and are willing to put in a bit of effort to get cinematic results. That said, we do support recording gyro data, so if you’re shooting handheld, you can stabilize your footage in post using tools like GyroFlow. It takes a little more work, but the payoff is massive: you get both smooth motion and the insane quality of RAW video. MotionCam’s really about giving creators the tools to push boundaries. It’s not for every use case, but for those who want more, there’s always a way to make it work-and the results are worth it. 😊
I wouldn’t say there’s a definitive 'best' - both devices handle HDR very well, but their workflows differ significantly. It really comes down to the user’s needs and preferences. One approach might suit a more automated, out-of-the-box experience, while the other provides more flexibility and control, which may appeal to those who prefer fine-tuning their results. Each has strengths depending on the scenario and the user behind the camera.
Appreciate the feedback! Just to clarify - this is HDR footage, so it’s best viewed in an HDR environment to fully see the differences. The video’s purpose is to highlight the processing differences rather than being a polished final grade. Since UA-cam compresses and discards a lot of details, the footage was pushed a bit to make those differences more visible. Thanks for your interest - we’ll be sharing the source files soon if you'd like to take a closer look!
Here u can find the sources from both devices:
f005.backblazeb2.com/file/MotionCam-Public/2025/01_iphone16pro_vs_mi14u/index.html
The difference in chroma detail is insane:
The iPhone's ProRes produces only a fraction of the chroma detail of the Motion Cam RAW video.
Better details on Motion cam and less noise.
Nice comparison.
Thank you for existing and for doing a great job 👌
I think this is the best comparison ever made between motioncam raw and iphone. I am a xiaomi mi 13 ultra user. Thank you.
MotionCam looking very crisp
totally groundbreaking mobile film making app ever ，keep your great job on. hopefully someday you can make a comparison between raw mode and direct log mode， after all ， log has more friendly workflow than raw
Thanks, we will do after V4 is out
@@MotionCam seems v4 is rumbling，really looking up to it
Image quality is not filmmaking, it's a fraction of the equation. There are masterful films created with subpar image quality.
Just setting the expectation and definition of "filmmaking" correctly so that ppl can learn more about the craft itself as a whole.
hi how to import the dng to davinci. i just came back to learn motioncam but after the new update the old step seems not working. i usually export the dng and go through motioncam tools again to render then the dng files can easily used in davinci. While now i have the problem the motincam tool doesnt recognize the file or the file cannot be select for render and if i select it, it only shows individual picture. also i cannot drag the file to davinci same happened with motioncam tools
Please join our Discord.
17:51 last comment I promise, but was the aperture closed down? Stars like that usually don't appear with it fully open
It's the same in the next scene, would explain the slightly more chroma-noisy footage than expected.
was at 2.0 default aperture mode on mi14u
@@MotionCam 2.0 sounds like not fully open?
yeah that more 2stops-ish less light reaching the sensor. 1.63 is the max
@@techtt6213 in all scenes was used 2.0
Is the stabilization in this app the same as stock app stabilization? What about opening and controlling the app and recording video with the Galaxy Watch5 Pro?
Stabilization is based on OIS, you can try the. demo version to see what works or not. Cheers
@MotionCam Does Galaxy Watch work with MotionCam?
@@blizzforte284 I dont know, you can test yourself :) (with Demo version)
Xiaomi 14U and MC is just better. No doubts here, especially when you crop in the footage. You can clearly see the post processing that you can disable on iPhone and the benefit of having DNG (pure RAW) on X14U.
NGL iPhone still quite impressive but Xiaomi with the true RAW recording is clearly better
@@DavidJonSpem indeed is a great device!
@@DavidJonSpemclearly? I’m not high enough to see these “clear” advantages
What do you use to display chroma details? And what do you mean by chroma when it comes to raw? After all it's RGB, not YUV.
When I mention chroma in the context of raw, I'm referring to the color detail and separation between channels, not chroma in the YUV sense (since, as you correctly pointed out, raw is RGB-based). The term 'chroma' here is more about visualizing color purity and channel independence.
To display chroma details, I use a custom DCTL in DaVinci Resolve that isolates the color information by subtracting luminance from each RGB channel. This technique highlights the differences in how each color channel carries information.
The reason this comparison is relevant in raw vs. iPhone video is because iPhone footage (or other log-compressed videos) often undergoes heavy chroma subsampling and aggressive denoising, which can blur fine color details. Raw data, on the other hand, preserves more native sensor information without this subsampling, allowing for clearer separation between red, green, and blue channel details.
So while it's still RGB, the way each channel retains or loses color information is different between processed log video and raw. This visualization helps reveal how much color data is retained or smeared, exposing compression artifacts or the 'painterly' effect you sometimes see in compressed footage.
@@MotionCam Thanks a lot for the detailed answer!
@@MotionCam One more question if I may. If you substract luminance from the RGB channels you get colorful but very flat image. However, your version is contrasty, is there any other processing you do here? It doesn't seem like a simple contrast adjustment.
@@AttilaBakosArt Good catch! When isolating chroma by subtracting luminance from RGB, the resulting image tends to be flat because chroma, by nature, has much lower amplitude compared to luma. To address this, we applied a non-linear remapping of chroma data into the luma channel.
The process works by redistributing the magnitude of chromatic differences in a way that exaggerates smaller variations while preserving larger ones, which prevents weaker chroma signals from disappearing into the shadows. Essentially, it’s like stretching chroma detail into the luma domain for clearer visual separation.
This remapping uses a perceptual scaling curve rather than a simple contrast boost. A linear adjustment would raise the entire chroma range uniformly, but that wouldn't emphasize the subtle shifts we're interested in. By applying a curve, areas with minimal chroma information stay closer to their original values, while regions with significant chroma differences are amplified. This produces the higher-contrast appearance you're seeing, even though the underlying chroma data remains the same.
In practical terms, this lets us inspect how much chroma information survives processing (or is discarded), making artifacts and discrepancies between different capture methods much easier to spot.
@@MotionCam I appreciate the effort you put in your answers very much, and again, thanks a lot! I built my own DCTL a long time ago for the same purpose but I only analyse the Cr and Cb channels in grayscale with added linear contrast. I tried to convert them back to RGB with a fixed luma value, but as we discussed, the image was too flat and I couldn't figure out a clever way for a better visualization. Your method is very pleasing, I'll try to do something similar.
This is pretty impressive!
Can you change aperture in motioncam?
If you refer to xiaomi aperture, not possibile officially due to camera api limitation, but with root is possible yes
Does this program help with stabilization on Android? Does it work with the Samsung Watch camera remote?
Stabilization is given by OIS module (is hardware)
@MotionCam So it's the same as stock app stabilization? What about opening and controlling the app and recording video with the Galaxy Watch5 Pro?
@@blizzforte284not possible
Uncompressed and unfiltered RAW best for post processing
When you will release the new update? I have xiaomi 14 ultra and the last motion cam pro.
V4 development just started, more info will be announced on Discord
@MotionCam thank you!!
Does the Xiaomi footage use the multi-frame RAW noise reduction feature (looks like it from the temporal noise characteristics)? It was really effective when I was using it on a Samsung S23 Ultra, but I'm using an iPhone now. I do notice that the detail is worse like you show on this test for iPhone, but I prefer the iPhone workflow (Blackmagic Camera) more.
As you should, each device has its own advantages, noise was removed in post. Thanks
man this shit is awesome getting this cuality regarless the storage from this devices awesome idk what vivo does w the 200 ultrsa but i wanna see this app on that
we need to see the Iphone 16pm vs S24U before S25U release
Is more about RAW than the device ;)
I believe more people own the S24 Ultra than the Xiaomi 14 Ultra, suggesting that more raw video comparisons would benefit them.
Lets see what s25 series brings ;) @@adamsmite6744
@MotionCam
Correct.
It's entirely about post processing or no post processing. Post processing takes control away from the user. This is perfectly acceptable for general users but less desirable for creatives who want to be in control of their image.
The bigger sensor of the Xiaomi will have nearly a negligible effect on the final output. The tiny differences won't even be processed by the eye of a general audience.
@@matthewhartman7176yeah, I agree but on larger screen or Tvs and monitor I definitely see it.
Will motioncam pro work all good on z fold 3?
you can try Demo version
Does not the Xiaomi have an 1-inch sensor?
Yes it does
What's the difference in file sizes though?
not far from each other, will share sources today
The app now supports all Galaxy S23U, 24U cameras?
Hello, yes it does
i download the Motion cam app on my Samsung Galaxy s24 Ultra what are the best settings as a beginner to experiment the video capturing as i dont have any PC for editing at the moment? Any android app that can edit the content from this awesome Motion Cam app? Thank you.
For that it is best to join our Discord, and hop on the ride ;)
@MotionCam thank for the answer I will join it 🙂
Looking forward to seeing the comparison with direct log vs apple log
In time we will be able to have active noise reduction filters, and we will do :D
Was this mastered on an HDR monitor? Feels a bit compressed/crushed for an HDR video. More like SDR footage "stretched" to HDR
everything is pushed further more so yt wont discard data
@@MotionCam fair point, still think it could be a bit more natural, the beauty is that it would make motioncam stand out even more as crushing the shadows less would expose (heh) the iPhone's weakness a bit more. Still awesome comparison
@@techtt6213 I think both devices performed really well under those extreme conditions, and as you know, RAW still needs to be processed. :D
Oh yeah for sure, lets be honest. The iPhone does bring pretty great mobile video at great ease to people. Can't say that of my Pixel@@MotionCam
Line skipping to reduce the raw storege still an issue for MotionCam Pro
Raw storage is not reduced by any form... ( You capture the stream as it is)
@@MotionCam I saw there are significant chromatic aberration at the high contrast area in the MotionCam footage, so I guess it's recorded in storage reduction mode （by skipping 2 lines of 3) , haven't using the full resolution mode to reduce the chromatic aberration.
@@MotionCam Hopefully one day we could have pixel binning raw mode by combine 3x3 pixels by CPU on the cell phone in realtime
Why is there so much noise on the iPhone in 2:43? Is it really main lens at 30 fps? It's not even that noisy at night.
One thing that iPhone is better at - stabilization by default. For MotionCam gimbal is pretty much a must have if there is any movement involved. Gyroflow is overly complicated in my opinion.
All these scenes were exposed at ETTR levels (no clipped data, unless it was the sun).
There's nothing difficult with gyroflow
i disagree. stabilization on iphone makes the footage looks like shit. there s a weird jitter that if you wanna make spmething high quality that wont do it
@@Vesnic8this is subjective on the type of use and user experience. Again the important aspect is we can control this.
could you guys get 60 or a 120 fps to work on s21 ultra?
^_^
Only Samsung can make that happen :D
was the motioncam footage sharpened? 100% shots look awesome but in 300% it feels overdone.
on both scenes had been applied same settings
Thank you very much for your great work. Is there any other smartphone besides the Xiaomi 14 Ultra that can shoot 4k 120fps RAW with your app?
Oneplus 8 pro and oneplus 11
@MotionCam Thank you very much.
I think it's a bit much on the sharpening in the first scene
Only thing that can save apple in future is 6K Bayer downsampled to 4K ProRes LOG :)
else their chroma denoising isn't high quality leading to wider colour blotches.
Rest they also need to fix the lowered white clipping point bug in manual exposure mode.
2-3 years back with iphone 12/13 pro they were not even meeting the bare minimum standards thanks to LTM Rec.709 :)
By the time Apple reaches there we might as well shift to 8K Bayer 100FPS with a 12bit linear ADC 😀🤞
It's inaccrate to compare apple log in the low light condition with still camera position, of course it brings noise reduce a lot in the still pixels, motion view will be way worse than Mi14
Noise reduction is applied regardless of motion or stillness
@@MotionCam Yes I mean it's impoved the pixel quality that where the area won't move, for example the buildings, as the comparison the raw footage has uniform noise distribution
12:27 that difference in quality is insane, the iPhone is having some bleed it looks like almost?
This happens because both devices were exposed using ETTR, and most of the scenes fall at the extreme ends of the dynamic range
@@MotionCam sponsor your app to mkbhd 😊
6:31 watch people say "more noise so it's worse"
Great job. However, some artifacting still remains on 14 Ultra's footage
Hey thanks, don't forget YT re-encode and highly compress this uploaded footage :)
Problem is. These are all tripod shots. Yes MC is better but the second you use handheld iPhone is far superior with its stabilization
Totally get what you're saying! These shots are on a tripod because we wanted to show what the footage can really do at its best. MotionCam isn’t trying to be a point-and-shoot app like the iPhone. It's more for people who want full control and are willing to put in a bit of effort to get cinematic results.
That said, we do support recording gyro data, so if you’re shooting handheld, you can stabilize your footage in post using tools like GyroFlow. It takes a little more work, but the payoff is massive: you get both smooth motion and the insane quality of RAW video.
MotionCam’s really about giving creators the tools to push boundaries. It’s not for every use case, but for those who want more, there’s always a way to make it work-and the results are worth it. 😊
Madrid?
Brasov :D
Vivo x200 on sensor HDR and denoise 9400
Looking forward on next x200u
Is this video not HDR for some reason?
This clip is HDR
@@MotionCam ah it's loading in HDR on my laptop now. Wasn't on phone. Usually does even on phone
first time in my life i felt its unfair to compare iphone to a xiaomi phone
Because I just watched this video, if I already bought an iPhone 16 pro...
Dont worry :) iPhone 16 Pro is a great device (out of the box, easier workflow, etc;)
Xiaomi is the best HDR
I wouldn’t say there’s a definitive 'best' - both devices handle HDR very well, but their workflows differ significantly. It really comes down to the user’s needs and preferences. One approach might suit a more automated, out-of-the-box experience, while the other provides more flexibility and control, which may appeal to those who prefer fine-tuning their results. Each has strengths depending on the scenario and the user behind the camera.
Really bad processing, any professional will tell you that
Appreciate the feedback! Just to clarify - this is HDR footage, so it’s best viewed in an HDR environment to fully see the differences. The video’s purpose is to highlight the processing differences rather than being a polished final grade. Since UA-cam compresses and discards a lot of details, the footage was pushed a bit to make those differences more visible.
Thanks for your interest - we’ll be sharing the source files soon if you'd like to take a closer look!
Я подумал, что он сводил картинку под айфон :)
Opaaaaa
Как купить приложение в России ?
MotionCam is sold only on Google Play