Nike Pegasus Premium first look
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- Nike’s April 11, 2024 “On Air” event in Paris released a two important Pegasus updates and there is a lot to cover with some major implications for the next 2-5 years for Nike Running.
0:00 Intro
0:57 Nike Pegasus 41
1:26 Nike Pegasus Premium
2:12 Nike’s innovation supercycle
2:49 Nike Air
5:22 What is so innovative here?
7:29 Unknowns & PR
8:54 The future of the Peg
10:40 Final thoughts
11:15 Outro
Disclosures: No one is paying me to make this video and no one has any editorial control over the contents of this video. Additionally, I have no connection into Nike’s design or marketing process. Everything I cover in this video is my own opinion and experience.
Product images courtesy of Nike.
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Cool vid. I like the peg ideas you created at the end.
Rough sketches… but that make the point. So many possibilities for this shoe in the future.
Thanks for the video, really interesting.
Thanks for watching. 🤙🏻
okay im super intrigued by that curved air unit. the return of energy my be crazy good
It could also be very unstable… but it’s very interesting. I look forward to trying them.
That Pegasus Premium would be dope if the air unit has embedded red LED lights that light up as your feet strikes the pavement. Would make it a great option when running at night or in the rain😂😂😂
Hahaha… Nike Lytes… 😂
@@SagasuRunning it would be accurate to the promotional materials
@@user-xx5oo7mj4u if it did that I would run to get that shoe, pun intended 😂
Right.. Just like the thumbnail showed..
LA Gear shoes been around for 40 years 😂
Did you see the RunnersWorld interview with Nike where they said they are streamlining their running shoe line? There will be Standard and Premium versions. Specifically said the Invincible 3 will now be called the Vomero Plus. I think this is good for consumers as it makes the choice less overwhelming and confusing. Much like the iPhone one can now choose between standard, premium, and other versions of just a couple shoes. Love it.
I did and we will see how it pans out. Nike’s running line (like most big brands) needs a massive pruning, so it’s good.
However the standard and premium thing could get dicey unless they clearly define the difference. I’m a longterm Apple user but the “pro” name on an Apple product means nothing anymore as it’s been so diluted.
no matter the price. im buying this pegasus premium. Looks timeless already.
The Volt version of pegasus 41 looks fire too.
I'm not sure if that IS Volt...but yes, it does look good. I'm also not sure if it is one of the release colorways. We shall see.
Nice review. Whatever happened to the latest version of the Peg Turbo? Did they put it on the afterburner?
Turbo 4… we should have some official info on it soon (I’d expect).
Peg 41 hype
Yes… even with my concerns… I can’t wait to try the 4 Pegs…
Air Zoom (which I distinguish from standard Air) has been a staple for a while now. They’ve done some interesting things in the past 2 decades on implementing those zoom units, notably in their basketball shoes, but it’s even made its way into soccer cleats/boots and track spikes. My favorite instances of zoom air have been Alphafly 1, full length zoom+lunarlon drop-in midsole in the Lebron 11, and the unlocked zoom in the Jordan XX8 and XX9 shoes (almost a precursor to the alphafly’s implementation).
I do think that curving the full length bag is a unique change that seems inspired by the carbon fiber plates of Vaporfly, so that could be very exciting, but the Pegasus Premium does sadly look to be quite the heavy and likely expensive shoe when it eventually releases. In a market where running shoes are getting lighter and the market looks to be pushing that technological forefront, I get why Nike doubled down on what makes them unique in Zoom Air, but I do wonder if it’ll be too little too late for performance footwear in running.
Agree… the weight is going to be key here. This shoe won’t be ultra light but if they can get it around 9oz for US Men’s Size 9… it’s a good start.
The Zoom Milers were my all time favorites. But the air unit never lasted for more than 6 months. Absolutely tragic how badly they were designed, given how comfortable they were.
This shoe could be very similar… but much heavier.
This feels like their attempt to compete with the Asics Superblast. That ZoomX top layer with the Alphafly's full length air zoom unit while making it more durable is nice, especially since the Vaporflys and Alphaflys aren't very durable.
We will see how it runs but that is going to be a HARD shoe to beat as for performance and consumer sentiment.
Something tells me it will be more in-line with the Cloudmonster Hyper: not a bad running shoe, not a great one.
A very good comparison!
Yeah, who knows maybe. It's more like they are desperately trying to create some hype
Nice work ❤
Thank you. 🤙🏻
Looks amazing for walking comfort !
It could be ideal for that if the durability is there.
Have the amended the fit on the toe box recently? I used to love pegasus, but the last pair I tried (about 3 years ago) weren’t comfortable
They have gotten better since the ones you tried (likely 37 or 38). Still not a wide shoe, but not aggressively narrow like those were.
The full length zoom unit looks super similar to the one they used in the lebron 10 hoop shoe years ago and those were dope
I mentioned those in the video. Nike has been here before… but not quite like this. The curve in the unit is a bit of a game changer.
Im excited. Pegasus got me into running 😊
Pegasus is the classic…
Me too. The first pegasus, some time circa 1982 from memory.
If they price this $300.... Don't jog near sketchy neighborhoods.
Really great video. I am quite excited for what Nike will come out with. Their training shoes have seemed a little lost the last couple years.
Agree on both counts. Reading between the lines of the press release for the Pegasus Premium, I think this is just the start of many new things we will see from Nike Running in the next 5 years.
Thank you for watching! 🤙🏻
I wonder what your take is on them removing the Zoom Air from the Vomero 17. Did it just not fit the concept/purpose anymore?
I talked about that in my initial impressions video on the V17 last fall. The short of it is that it didn’t fit the shoe anymore. ZoomX gave the plush feel needed.
Would you say that just from looking at the Peg 41 picture that they’re leaning more towards a higher stack more cushioned design, contrary to its more lower stack minimal daily trainer previous Peg predecessors?
I think the specs are about the same as the 39/40, they don’t look much different. Maybe they gained 1-2mm but nothing substantial.
The Peg has been low/middle of the road for a few years now. I don’t see that changing. The specs for the Turbo 4 and Peg Premium are unknown… but they both look taller.
What other silhouettes would look crazy with a full zoom? I’m thinking a full zoom AM97 cause those things suck at comfort, or a full zoom skate shoe?
A Zoom Air skate shoe would get destroyed AND have no board feel at all. It would work in the Air Max range...but them again, they wouldn't be air maxes anymore...
I know that you love Nike, but I just can't get to the same spot. They truly deserve the credit for creating the super shoe market with the inception of the Vaporfly followed by the Alphafly.
However, everything else they've done in the daily trainer and super trainer space has been absolutely mediocre. To the point you made in your initial Saucony video, other manufacturers haven't necessarily brought innovation the same way Nike did with the creation of super shoe market. However, they've sure advanced it in a way that has alluded Nike.
Nike really doesn't have a great daily training or super training lineup. They really don't have anything that competes with the likes of a Novablast, Superblast, Endorphin Speed, Boston 12, Takumi Sen, etc. ZoomX is great, but what else are they doing with other variations of foam and technology, in the non-super shoe space, that is at all interesting? In fact, if you look at every manufacturer top to bottom in terms of midsole foams from their super shoes down to their daily trainers, I put Nike firmly in the bottom two (along with Brooks). Even ZoomX is starting to feel a little bland when compared to the likes of what Asics and Hoka are doing (the Cielo X1 has in my opinion, the most unbelievable midsole insure ever created).
When I think of Nike, I truly think of a running populace brand, not a running innovation brand. They've been riding the coattails of the unbelievable innovation that they brought to the market with the introduction of their super shoes in 2017 + 2018.
I hope some of these upcoming releases turn the tides and start proving me wrong. However, at this point, I'll believe it when I see it.
Though we disagree regarding Nike, please know how much I love your videos and your perspective. I firmly hope to be wrong about Nike going forward :-)
I agree with what you are saying actually. The Nike running line in 2024 is a bit in shambles. The Peg, and the 3 variations we are getting, is literally the only trainer that I’m interested in from them. I have massive reservations about all of them… but will still give them a try and cover them.
Thank you for the support as always. I realized making this video… besides the V17 problem video I haven’t made much Nike content this year… things change.
The best Nike trainer is the InvincibleRun3. That full bed of ZoomX is a dream to run on plus it has a very durable outsole. I have nearly 500km in my pair, I've done everything up to threshold workouts and trail runs with my pair, it still refuses to die at this point, Currently am contemplating on whether to score another pair for the future. Sometimes I pick this over my Novablast 4 and Superblast😊😊😊
@user-xx5oo7mj4u I enjoyed them when they first came out our haven’t run in them for months…
@@SagasuRunning first 30-40K was so meh, I was considering returning them. I guessed the midsole broke in gradually over that period and since then has remained golden. Aside from the VF3, this is now the only Nike pair I still run in.
I put about 240kms on my pair before injury stopped running in them. Currently I only own/run in a Peg40 and a Vaporfly 3.
Thanks for the video, interesting. And it’ll be interesting to see if they manage to keep the weight reasonable… those long AirPods looks kind of heavy…
If they can get this around 9oz for the reference size… they may be onto something. If it’s pushing 11oz… well… that’s a different story.
patents last only 21 years. that's how Skechers and many other smaller brand can use similar technology to air maxes without getting sued. Zoom air is also an expired patent, but i guess the complexity to manufacture zoom isn't fiscally worth it to the smaller brands who copy technologies.
I did know this but I also figured Nike re-ups or finds related avenues to patent around the original patent. The OG Air max air is long gone. Zoom Air though is something Nike will very much protect through many means. Especially with the success of the Alphafly.
Realistically though...only Adidas could afford the R&D and manufacturing costs to produce something similar, at least of the same quality and performance characteristics.
@SagasuRunning the only thing they have is trademark protection. A competitor just can't copy a siloett or call his technology "*competitorname* Air/Air Zoom" one could argue that the original "Tensile Air" nike trademark for nike zoom expired due to nike not using it since 1997 but that's gray territory
I see. I see. Good info.
Poppin!
That could be literal for some!
@@SagasuRunning it's slang for.. looks hot
Yes, I know… but a pun is a pun…
Full length zoom is without a doubt comfy. But I just didn’t like the instability in the Nike Zoom All Out. But I always thought, while still keeping the full length zoom air idea, maybe try zoning the zoom air out into a few different pods? That would create a whole lot more stability than if the zoom bag is 1 piece running the length of the shoe
I feel like the curve in the Zoom Air unit will allow for them to introduce some more stability into the shoe. Either with the sidewall thickness above or below the unit or the tensile fibers. I could also se them doing zoned Zoom Air units, similar to what they do with the current air units in the Pegasus, just more drastic and visual.
interesting, my first proper "running" shoe is peg trail 3😅, i dont know anything but just picked up at store and used it like my daily trainer!!
You gotta start somewhere. The Peg trail 3 was one of the better looking Peg Trails.
The air unit looks like the shape and location of a carbon plate. Very smart design!
Agree. They definitely learned from all their experience with CF plates…
Very interested to hear more about this one and hope it's not quite as narrow as Nike shoes often are. Makes it hard for me to use the brand. That said, to me, the biggest storyline here is that Nike (just one guy's opinion of course) has really lost its position as a leader in running shoes other than the race models. There isn't anything special about the Vomero, Peg, etc. relative to a Saucony Ride or offerings from Hoka and other players. We'll see how this plays out, but I believe this to be the brand's attempt to have that same sort of separation it enjoys between the Vaporfly/Alphafly and the counterparts to those shoes from New Balance, et al.
Agree fully. There are many other options out there in the training space…. Most other brands have at least 1-2 trainers that are outstanding now as well. I’m very curious what Nike does next for trainers. This shoe is only the preview of what is to come.
The hole in the bottom is a concern (sharp object ) . Peg 36 was one of my favourites, but the line was left behind . Will see because price to performance to durability matters these days.
That is also my big concern with the Alphafly… it always stresses me out when running them.
@SagasuRunning i also hope the price , performance, and durability justifies the shoe
We shall see…
I’m kinda getting excited about the Pegs again.
This definitely brings some needed new life into them… we shall see how much impact it really has though.
I have never enjoyed the React midsole material. I think it was a regression from "Cushlon". Maybe Cushlonn was just old EVA but not all innovations are improvements.
I like React, quite a bit. I’m on the fence about ReacrX though… the Peg Premium is ZoomX above the air unit and ReactX under it in the heel.
@@SagasuRunning what was in the Pegasus 37. That was what I disliked and I haven't come back,
react. Peg36 is the last cushlon
I really enjoy React foam. Nike Epic React Flyknit was my all-time favorite. I ran 4 Marathons on those!
@@SagasuRunning if true that it comes with ZoomX above the air unit and React underneath, won't the ride be wonky as there's too much happening in the midsole?
Interesting. And yes please a review of the new “normal” peg would be much appreciated (need to get a new daily runner and thinking to switch from invincible to peg).
Why do you think they plan to launch this new approach / air tech with the peg instead of a more premium shoe? It looks a bit of a gimmick aiming at attracting more like of a sneaker audience vs serious runners? (I guess you don’t think that’s the case?)
The Pegasus is one of the most important lines in Nike running. Even though it seems to have taken a backseat to the racing options the past few years it is no surprise Nike uses it as a platform for their next phase of innovation.
The shoe shown here is for the PR hit and it will be seen the next year or so on the feet of athletes...for the PR. However, as i said at the end of the video, I don't think this is the final for. I'd expect Nike to evolve this concept into something much more performance oriented (which this is but I'm sure it can be pushed further).
How is zoom actually different to air? Looks like more solid ‘columns’, basically … ?
Air max (OG Air units) = literally just air, maybe with posts inside.
Zoom Air = small bag filled with air and white tensile fibers
Air Pods (Alphafly) = unit filled with air and linear arranged tensile fibers in columns.
in my experience, long zoom air is for jumping sports. Like basketball. Not running…at least not casual running. Zoom all out was terrible for running in many aspects, though I was so excited to try it.
Unfortunately, this looks just as PR move for new generation who didn’t try mistakes from the past 😕
On the other hand, they can’t just lower the price, so some “innovations” are necessary 😉
@Ab7trAct This is a tech preview. The technology will evolve… just like in the Alphafly.
I think Zoom is a product family identifying the performance range for Nike, like adizero for adidas. The Zoom brand can be combined with the Air brand or they can be separate.
Zoom and Adizero are the same for Nike and Adidas respectively. Air is tech, like Lightstrike… can be there or not.
I think Nike thought about a exposed air unit peg, but they are worried about the durability of the Zoom Air. It’s not like the Air Max unit, even it loses air pressure, the structure of the midsole can still hold it up. That’s not the case for pegs. A lot of people, like me, use pegs as our dailies, I don’t think Nike wants to replace a lot of pegs because of this😂
Agree… but we will see how Nike distinguishes them. Standard/Premium… we will see. I’m also someone who used Pegs as my daily until very recently…
@@SagasuRunning Btw, I saw from another channel that did an interview with a Nike VP, they they are going to have 3 different trim levels for most of their running shoes, standard, plus, and premium. They could use the exposed design for the plus trim, lol
Yup… it’s coming, I’m sure. 👍🏻
Nike air zooms units are like rinse repeat and recycle. Nike already had a full air zoom unit in the Peg 35 and 36.
Yes, but it's strange. Some of the people who had been running long before the recent maximalist and tech breakthroughts, still like them (including me).
Went running this morning with my beat up, brick Peg 38, and the air unit still feels pretty good on the forefoot. Am I crazy?
Happy running!
Totally different tech and unit in the 35/36. But yes, they do go back and forth on this a lot. I was actually hoping for the full length zoom air unit in the Peg41.
I wasn’t a huge fan of the Peg38…. But I LOVED the Peg37 and when you hit that air unit cleanly on your strike it was magic.
@@SagasuRunning I have the white and pink 37 with the huge swoosh that goes over the toebox (and that other brands copied too). I’ve pit about 100 miles on it and I plan to use it for all uptempo long runs on my half-marathon block this season. It never lets me down, even though it’s regarded as obsolete.
Happy runs, Chris!
Just one thing I have grown so sick of is the use of the word "premium" in branding (we can add PRO, ULTRA, and Max to the list too). Its overused to the point of cliche and self parody by this point. And almost always it's not even true. Its already been done to death in tech. But looks like we also get to look forward to it in shoes now......🙄🙄🙄.
Also.....Im not sure I understand what is "premium" about cheaply made in Vietnam products 🤷🤷
Agree… but Nike has held onto this one for YEARS.
yeah, anything with premium or professional on the box is usually anything but that.
I thought I was the only one. When they use it I just cringe cuz the quality is literally the opposite lol
@@therunophil 100%. It's almost always a marketing gimmick. And you are so right....."pro" is the other overused marketing buzz word that has reached levels of self parody by this point.
@@kirbyfan3000 well....given that Nike make the vast majority of their shoes cheaply in sweat shops in places like Vietnam, Bangladesh etc....I'm not sure where the "premium" part of the equation is.
Damn I miss my Zoom Elite 9s. Run my first 2 marathons on those.
Oh man… haven’t thought about those in a while. The memories!
In 2017, Nike released a series named "Zoom All Out" which could be seen as a predecessor to Pegasus Premium. Zoom All Out was not as bouncy as it looks even though it had dramatic heel-to-toe visible Zoom Air bag. I still keep 1 or 2 pairs of Zoom All Out in my closet.
I talk about that shoe in this video… in many ways it is the direct predecessor given it was actually a running shoe.
@@SagasuRunning Zoom All Out had some bugs, I hope Nike will fix them in upcoming Pegasus Premium. I'm really looking forward to it. About Pegasus 41, it seems that Nike marks it as an large air bag in forefoot, however, I doubt it's the same size as in 34, 39 and 40. I'll disassemble 41 to see it when I get one.
The 41 has the same Zoom Air units as the 39/40.
In the press releases for the Peg Premium… Nike seemed confident it solved the problems from the Zoom All Out.
@@SagasuRunning Thanks for your info, A little disappointed if they use the same air bag units from 39/40. I would prefer airbag units from Winflo 7/8.
I’d prefer the airbag from the 35/36 personally…
So i've seen these in person. A "friend" of mine is a nike product tester for these and I will tell you. They are worth the hype and they are very very squishy.
“Squishy” doesn’t instill confidence for me. That’s the last thing I want a Peg to be. I’d squish cokes with rebound… then cool. So fingers crossed 🤞🏻
Thank you for the observation though!
@@SagasuRunningIt's not like the Vapor Max, but it's a responsive squishy. They impressed me.
I’m so curious now…
Whenever I see this shoe I wonder how much oz it will be over 10oz...
Unknown (but likely)...if they can get this around 9oz they have something...if not...well....
No Nike Air Zoom tempo next?
There is a prototype floating around on Instagram but it’s unlikely to be released. The rumor is the model is killed. But Nike is full of surprises so who knows?
What about the turbo 3's?!
Turbo 4… and they will be coming. We should know more details soon.
Remember when Reebok had the hexalite? Wasn’t that similar to air?
I had to Google it as I only vaguely remembered it. Hexalite seemed like nothing more than a hexagon matrix, more similar to On Clouds or Adidas 4WD than Nike Air.
I see what you mean. The current hexalite definitely looks more like ON tech. But when they came out in the 90s, they looked like little air pockets in a honeycomb pattern. I remember could pop them. They were mainly used in tennis and basketball shoes. I don’t know whether Reebok was a contender in the running industry.
Another weird one to look up is Puma Cell lightspeed. I believe it’s very similar to Nike Air tech as well. Atleast visually in my opinion.
@Mel-md6cb I remember the Puma cell thing. The 90s one was still a hexagonal array packed into a bubble in the heel. Again, I think that hexagonal array thing was how they all could do it.
The OG pegasus didn't have an air window did they?
Nope. In fact I think only the Peg 1997 had - visible air unit. The Air Max was the one with the window.
@@SagasuRunning i had the og yellow grey ones
As soon as I saw this shoe I thought to myself, I wonder what Chris is going to say about it.. haha
Hahaha… as soon as I saw it I was already thinking about where to start with it… haha
Its April 2024. I feel absolutely no excitement for a shoe released sometime in summer of 2025.
I once had the Air Max 360 with a air zoom unit covering the whole sole ... I have a very bad memory of that shoe.
Ya… it’s a bit odd. However, I suspect we will see this on the feet of Nike athletes around the Olympics and on podiums. Which is why they had to release the presser on them.
Great breakdown.
Thank you!🙏🏻
Nike did this before in the Kevin Durant basketball shoe many years ago!
The Lebron came first. The Zoom KD9 & KD10 where the same idea as the Zoom All Out...a flat Zoom Air unit.
Although I enjoyed air unit on my Vomero 16 I'm not looking forward to this idea of full lenght air pods. Nike already been falling behind in their cushion game for their mid range products. Price tags also set expectations. If you are going to ask more than 200$ for non-plated trainer it better be lightweight, nimble, explosive shoe which you wouldn't expect from a full length air pods running shoe. Just name the shoe 'Premium' and call it day approach will hurt them in a long run.
This may be all of that… we shall see.
Hopefully my foot would get along with Peg41. 39-40 didn’t do it for me.
🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
That Pegasus 41 with the exposed air zoom in the front will be super firm and uncomfortable
Depends on how it’s tuned. Visually tying the Pegasus to the Alphafly though tells a single consumer story… (even though the Pegasus has much more in common with the Vaporfly).
Wow thanks for introducing these shoes. I have to have them !! I thought light up shoes were just for kids
These don’t actually light up. That’s just editorial photography.
They really just made another air max
The curved air unit is really much more…
They look just like the zoom air lows. One of my favorite shoes
Those were Nike Zoom All Out Lows, and yes they are similar, other than the curve in the Zoom Air unit.
That Pegasus 41 looks awesome but that's pretty much it. I don't think it will be durable and as comfy as their other running shoes.
It will likely be extremely plush and comfortable… but the durability for a daily trainer could be iffy. We shall see.
As much as I tend to like Nike racing shoes, their daily ones have been somewhat underwhelming in recent years especially since the demise of the Peg Turbo so interesting indeed to see what appears to be a "super" trainer from Nike and let's hope that is actually what it is and not another expensive brick that they seem all too "keen" on giving us. As for the Peg 41, the first ReactX running shoe weighed more than a house and I recall you thought it was basically more of a lifestyle shoe. Let's hope the Peg 41 isn't of that ilk. Wonder if the Peg Turbo 4 is still on the cards. I see Nike are streamlining their line up. Guess call everything a Pegasus something is not a bad start!
Ya… we will see about this one. As I said elsewhere in the comments I’m more interested in Nike’s “innovation supercycle” and this being the first release out of that. I am expecting a fairly sizable shift in running shoe tech over the next 2-5 years. Let’s see what Nike is thinking.
As for the Peg Premium… I think the chances of it being a brick in your size is likely. That Zoom Air unit, scaled up, cannot not be heavy…
As far as I can see the Turbo 4 is in the ca da still, possibly may/June release… but it’s unknown. I have low expectations for it… hopefully I’m pleasantly surprised.
As my Instagram post said… I have doubts about ReactX foam… the IRN4 was a lifestyle shoe… and part of the problem with it was the foam. So fingers crossed on the Peg41… but very low expectations at the moment.
I do hope I’m wrong… 🤞🏻
maybe nike view shoe weights at the lowest they can go and thinking can we get more performance even if weight notches up.
Nike definitely doesn't seem to emphasis weight as much as some other brands...and especially not as much as we do here on UA-cam.
were you at the event in Paris? would've enjoyed having a chat!
Sadly no, I’m over here in Taiwan… watching from afar.
"Aliens land on earth wearing some sort of shoe with air units"
Nike: Sue them!!!
It would happen… definitely. 💯
Theyre gonna be heavy
I think you are right….
Big no on exposing zoom in mass market Pegasus. Mass market meaning everyone training for sport.
Exposed zooms doing drills, plyos, daily miles. There would be way to many warranty claims. If the swoosh made an exposed zoom line would be for their AirMax95, sneakerhead culture and not for their run/sport/training
It feels like they are trying to bridge that gap, which is n interesting move, though we will see where it takes their run program…
@@SagasuRunning btw very good details on Pegasus!
I'm the type who rotates Pegasus (Peg40 2-4pairs)
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If it is ZoomX with Air Zoom and lightweight , I will get myself a pair ! Hopefully, it will launch soon after the Pegasus 41 ...
The top layer of foam in this is ZoomX and the bottom layer is ReactX… it launches Spring 2025… around the time of the Peg 42…
Definitely a cop
💸🤙🏻
Other than their racers, not sure why Nike trainers have been getting heavier and heavier with each iteration. The Infinity RN 4 while quite comfy, why the upper is so thick and unbreathable. The Zoom Fly 5 has become so heavy cf. the OG. The Peg Turbo now the Peg Nature is just forgettable and of course heavier!! Compare to Saucony, Asics and adidas, these brands actually listened to the people and gave them what they wanted. Fingers crossed the Peg 41 will be great cause I've been buying since 35 .
Ya… it’s doesn’t make sense… at all.
Glad they got rid of the ugly fin on the back of the shoe for the premium. I hope they get rid of it entirely for the regular pegasus too.
By fin, you mean the midsole extending past the heel? If so this does seem like something Nike is in the process of dropping, rather drastically, across the line.
@@SagasuRunning Thank goodness. I just think the shoes would look so much better without that extension of the heel.
thats kinda not true since karhu created the "air technology" and still use it in many of their shoes
The Karhu Mestari uses a much more basic idea of an air bubble encapsulated in the EVA midsole with somewhat diminishing returns. Conceptually, they are using “air” but technically it’s a very different execution and solution that has little to do with what Nike built in the early 80s.
Pegasus has already had visible air units in the past, and it was such a big flop that Nike had to rename the shoes air Arma for men, and air Imara for women, because it is a big nonsense to have visible air units in a regular training shoe.
Pegasus has always be known in the running world as a reference for regular trainers.
When the air unit is hidden, it is protected and the shoe lasts longer, or maybe this new version of the Peg is not designed anymore for training, which would make sense.
That was one of the shoes that killed the Pegasus line for a while in the late 90s. The ultimate dad shoe. The exposed Air unit was only part of the problem with that shoe (and late 90s running shoes In general).
The Zoom Air unit is very different from those old air units… we will see how this one runs next year. The Pegasus 42 will still be out there as will the Pegasus Plus though….
I understand how important Air is to Nike, but I’ve grown tired of seeing the brand equate “innovation” to different setups of visible Air.
I think a curved Zoom Air unit will deliver a new sensation underfoot, but if the experience is even partly similar to what a Vaporfly 3 feels underfoot, I can’t help but think that the average consumer will be turned away from the Pegasus Premium in favor of something less aggressive. An MSRP of over $200 USD is expected like you said, but I don’t know if it’s the right move, especially given that the shoe is being touted as part of the Nike Pegasus family, one that consistently goes on sale/can be found for steep discounts at Nike outlets.
I don’t foresee serious runners trading their Saucony Triumphs and Hoka Cliftons for the Pegasus Premium, but stranger things have happened. I also can’t get behind the Pegasus Premium’s upper, as it feels bulky and outdated in comparison to the sole unit. Maybe this is a way to capture the average consumer, but I think a Pegasus Turbo-like upper would’ve fit better.
I agree with a lot of this. I don’t think the Pegasus Premium will feel like a VF or a plated shoe, it will be the opposite. However, there is no doubt Nike is using its learnings from plated shoes to develop this.
As for the averages consumer…. I’m not sure these are for them. At the same time, I agree, more serious runners are also not going to jump on them…. Unless there is a clear performance difference like the VF had years ago.
We need honest reviews and not get caught in the hype. Is this shoe better for sure but let not make it look like the best shoe in its class because of the hype. This is what Nike is good at.
When I can run in this I will and cover it fairly. From a tech standpoint though it is interesting. It’s also fascinating how this one came out of nowhere.
Nike has a lot of progress to make on its trainers… but I will always pay attention to the Pegasus…
2:57 air is more Apple than Nike
How so?
@@SagasuRunning air pods and air Mac and stuff imo
I am doing remote work. Maybe, not creative enough to have this one.
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Smh the out sole is thin ,that’s why I never buy the adidas ultra boost with the thin continental out sole. Nice design but won’t last
Pegasus outsoles are typically very durable. I’d expect this one to be even more so to protect the Zoom Air unit.
*I fcuking hate having a trainer fetish... Now I have more trainers to buy!*
These will definitely be ones to get next spring…
$225USD. I will stick with superblast & NB SC trainer V1.
Very different shoes for very different purposes… but the price is definitely going to be a hot topic next spring.
@@SagasuRunning doesn't matter. To a lot of people they just need daily trainers for most of their runs.
@@dkmchui That will always be the standard Pegasus or the Vomero/invincible. Not this.
You have to be very big running shoes nerd to be even remotely interested in shoes which will release next year. In the meantime there will be so many great, good, decent shoes that you will forget that it was even announced. I'm not sure what Nike wanted to achieve with so early announcement.
I mean… I have a YT channel where I talk about running shoes. 🙋🏼♂️
That being said, yes, there are some fantastic 2024 models out already and soon to be out.
We are all big run shoe nerds on this channel, I'm sure you'd noticed before! Or you hadn't?
@@SagasuRunningOf course, nothing towards you, thanks for covering this topic as I wouldn't know without you, but in my opinion it would be great if they would release it this year, otherwise they will have to ignite interest about it again next year. I'm only doubting decision from marketing point of view.
@@ucataniI did as I'm watching it myself. ;) Just wanted to understand their move as I don't think there are many cases when companies are announcing publicly their coming products so early.
@@allfanmu The Peg Premium will be on the feet of some athletes on Olympic podiums this summer, so they needed to put info on it out there. Additionally, it got them the PR hit they wanted from the Paris event.
Otherwise they would have saved it...but Olympic years are always a bit different.
Air Max? or nah?
Nah…
Gimmick alert went on red. The opposite of hyped.
I can see that… but I think there is a bit more to it. At least this “innovation supercycle” from Nike. I do think there is a big tech shift coming in the next 3-5 years for running… Nike usually is on the forefront of it. The Peg Premium isn’t the and all here…
Surely the price will be prohibitive 😂
Unlikely… but I also don’t expect it to be a massive consumer release. Ir will likely be a lottery system as always and small batches.
I just can't seem to get excited by the Pegasus. It always looks like a mediocre heavy shoe with the same old foam. The Premium... very skeptical. It needs to get raving reviews to try it out. Other brands just make much better daily trainers.
I always have been and always will be a fan of the Peg. It will always get my attention. There are other great daily trainers out there… but the Peg is a Peg… always.
@@SagasuRunning is it nostalgia? 😉
A bit… but I genuinely enjoy the Peg. It is what it is and sometimes it is good and sometimes it is and… but I’ll always pay attention to if.
We want an upgraded Turbo, not this 🙄
I do. And I want an upgraded turbo too.
The Turbo 4 is coming…
I admit it: I never felt the air units and I never found them "soft"... there it is. I said it.
I was a nike fanboy for many many years, but they seriously have to deliver otherwise I will still avoid them. There are simply sooo many better shoes out there than the nike training companions.
I only feel them when they shift or deflate… which happens.
I agree… Nike training needs to deliver. This may be the first step to that. We shall see how it evolves over the next 5 years.
Air unit technology is pretty much a scam and hype to sell the shoes, the concept makes sense but the execution doesn't. There's the reason most of Nike performance shoes still mainly use some kind of foam. Even their basketball shoes intentionally make the air unit as small as possible, mostly hidden or encased in solid foam or rubber structure.
It’s more Nike Air is a very old technology, from the mid 1980s. It has been eclipsed by many other things, including both foams and new versions of Air. Nike have been putting Zoom Air units in many shoes, basketball and running (mostly) for well over 10 years. Zoom Air is the modern version of Nike Air and very different in feel.
I do agree that in 2024 with superfoam… Air is maybe not what it was… but the Alphafly has show you can make them work together with great results.
Nike Premium Air 😂 like when you pay $400 to get "premium air" put in your tires 😂
Not quite the same… also there are other premium models coming form Nike running over other product lines…
If you run in a Pegasus you don't feel the zoom units. We all know those units are too thin to make ANY kind of difference. Also the Dn is a complete gimmick; its not possible to have a connected air chamber with two different PSI
I'm often very aware of the Zoom Air units, especially the one in the forefoot. I definitely feel it when I hit it correctly (I am a forefoot striker) and the feel is very different that a pure React foam shoe. I also feel them when there is a problem, when the bag looses pressure or shifts in the pocket.
As for multiple PSI in one chamber. Agree, not possible. However, Nike can tune the tensile fibers and/or the external material on the top/bottom of the bag, in combination with the foams. Honestly, you can do that all with pure foams... but Nike sees something here and it's interesting none-the-less.
Cheaply made=premium dollars.
Nike has had some spotty QC for a few years now but I’d expect these to be tightly controlled and inspected.
200-300 bucks for a Pegasus!! Erm... No
But…. But…. It’s “premium”?
This exposed Airzoom won’t last that long.
We shall see. It’s such a durability concern Nike must be engineering to resolve it.
Meh Id still rather have a new balance or hoka
We all have personal preferences.
Air units are crap, eventually they pop or get pierced.
The Zoom Air design is much different than the classic Nike Air unit… and is much more robust. However, durability will be a concern about this shoe.
And Nike has a pretty good replacement warranty for shoes with air units…
Some of those shoes are extremely ugly, but I know they’re made for comfort for runners so I get it, but I won’t get it😂
Haha. Valid. A shoe like this is about performance. If it’s not there then it doesn’t matter to a runner. There will be a crowd that buys these for aesthetics, Like the Nike Ultrafly, but that is more subjective.
@@SagasuRunning well the ones this video was about look pretty dope, it’s just some of those other ones that are kinda weird looking lol
Does anyone actually like Air? Feel like its all marketing and zero utility.
The Air unit in this is much different than say an Air Max… it’s much more like the Alphafly. Still, we will see what it is actually like.
10mm drop us a stinker
None of the specs are known about the Peg Premium…
@@SagasuRunning Everywhere I go, people comment seem to know everything. They know the price, the weight, what it is going to feel like (in spring 2025), the drop, the materials, and whether it will suck or not. I want to foresee the future too, but none of the prophets will teach me, it's a bit frustrating.
it always baffles me how anyone would want these ugly shoes on their feet. Apart from the alfa flys for marathon running it's bisarre.
There are tons of options out there to choose from.
@@SagasuRunning Yes of course, but that's the point, there is other options and people still insist on wearing nike trainers :) Each to their own, they are free to do what they want, but still, baffling
I still like the Peg and it is still a fantastic all-rounder. But besides the Vaporfly it really is the only other Nike shoe I’m paying any attention too at the moment.
Unless there's a carbon fiber plate and wide outrigger then it's stable, Nike is full of gimmick shoes don't be fooled
There will be neither. It’s a Pegasus…
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This shoe is gonna be so dull with bs technology
Who knows… I’ll definitely be covering it when I can get a pair to run in.
Fairly sure Skechers have a whole heap of shoes with full length air units and no Nike lawsuit as-yet.
They also light up. Different tech… but Nike did go after Skechers years ago… but so did many other brands. The early 2000s were a time Skechers made everyone angry.
I was about the say the same about Skechers. And they don’t light up. Nike is not alone with air units in the soles. I even had a dress shoe in the mid 2000s which had an air unit. Nevertheless, Nike is keep perfecting the technology.
Nike & Cole Hann did collab. Nike’s Air Unit has always been engineered a little different. Nike Zoom Air units are completely unique to them at this point.
Haha. Ohh boy what they try to make us buy their shyt. This is gonna be fun. I predict a lot of punctured shoes. IMO Nike is falling behind. Sure they have their superrace shoes. But that’s about it. They have a lot of work in front of them, to beat let’s say ASICS superblast in the daily runner department. And this ain’t gonna do it
They do need a refocus on trainers, I agree. But this is the start of it…