Dear Bungie: Please Don't Do This 😅
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- Опубліковано 3 кві 2024
- Destiny 2 News: Bungie just dropped the TWID / TWAB today, and there's some good info about Into the Light, but they're making ADDITIONAL PvP changes to the Special Ammo economy, which I feel is ... odd. The new special ammo meter in trials is pretty good IMO, why fiddle with it now? And shouldn't this be in Trials? Here's my thoughts / reaction...
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It's only year 9 of Destiny. You'd think they'd have special ammo figured out.
IMO nothings ever gonna be balanced in this game. Too much special means just getting sniped or ran at with a shotgun.
No special means if you use your special, you cant do shit if you get aped.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ the special that reset on kills 2 kills worth per round was fine enough
@@ThornEnjoyer you forgot being cross mapped by laser junkies
@@element5308 ah yes and also bows. Who tf ever thought bows were a good idea in this game man
@@ThornEnjoyer to be fair traditional bows don't make sense in destiny 2.
Railguns. Cross bows. And things that send projectiles at mach 20 speeds makes more sense.
I definitely hate dealing with the hip fire bow guy who peaks for 0.01 seconds and steals ya kills, but bows are a lot easier to aim then sniper rifles so I guess it's a little something for people who wanna snipe but can't.
Or supers
wanting labs to get used more is understandable, I think the main reason they don't use it for everything is that not as many people play labs
Tl;dr: Players can’t be blamed for not taking part in bad playtests.
The idea with labs is to play test PvP changes. Unfortunately, giving players the option to not play it really messes up any valuable data that could be used to improve said changes if they either do not come out already being decent or without a reward incentive.
The way Bungie has handled it has been pretty bad imo. Look at how player perception behind Iron Banner has changed the past few years now that it has become Crucible Labs for new game modes:
-The debut of Rift in IB (there actually was a crucible labs that nobody played before the debut iirc) irreparably made it a mode a majority of people will avoid if any idea of competition is expected.
-The debut of Tribute forced Bungie’s hand in giving players the option to just play IB Control instead because of all the bugs with the mode.
-The debut of Fortress introduced players of all skill levels to the Bubble/Well meta, and the Conditional Finality counter meta.
-Eruption actually came out to positive feedback in its season launch (even with the bugs), but has since been a slog to play. This one I personally attribute to SBMM being applied after the debut season.
Players cannot be blamed for not taking part in playtests. If there’s no loot incentive, don’t expect anybody who just wants rewards to play it. If it’s a buggy mode, don’t expect anyone to stay for long. If there’s no accessible way to give feedback, don’t expect players to give any. If SBMM is enabled, don’t expect positive reception to meta’s being formed.
I used to enjoy Iron Banner. Did all the bounties every week on all 3 characters. Tried out crazy builds, some I still use today. Would deliberately lower my light level to try out the Iron Burden challenge just for fun. The stack issue was solved by the Freelance node. Loot farming was bad, but got better (more consistent) after the engrams were introduced (the current time-gated challenge system is worse than tokens though imo). Now, I just take a break for a few days before doing a few sweaty games and leaving. Bungie had a twab before they reworked Iron Banner of the vision they wanted for it. That vision has not been achieved in any capacity.
@@mrfluffsalot8587 yeah, pretty much, hope Bungie figures out a better balance or adds meaningful incentive for labs to get more data instead of messing other playlists up.
Bungi sucks at making a no into a yes. Labs having low pop could be fixed with a increase drop rate or exp for a set amount of matches
Give me a reason to play your game mode bungo 🤷🏻♂️
@@mrfluffsalot8587 I think Iron Banner in general has a very serious identity crisis. It should either be a "Festival of Loot" (with some playtesting for new PvP mechanics), or it should be a competition, where each team tries their hardest to win.
Right now, gameplay incentivizes the first route, but triumphs and MM - second.
@@Xfaction1111 IDK, another 5 riptides doesn't make me wanna play Relic any more. IB had a lot of Crucible loot at some point, but that didn't feel impactful.
At the end of D1's life cycle we had special weapon crates, and sidearms were ultra meta because they circumvented the ammo issue.
We are reaching the end of D2's campaign style life cycle, and they are reintroducing ammo crates while sidearms are everywhere.
We've come full circle.
Time to go grab my iron wreath from the vault at the old tower.
@@skeletonSkullyCan you grab my chaos dogma while you’re there?
I'm not sure why people are willing to fund the second iteration of the same issues anymore, but i guess at least noone can complain after The Final Sale ^^
@@CosmosCat I got you bro
More evidence to my theory that they're trying to "ruin" pvp with weird special ammo stipulations so we'll be more inclined to play their new game. I firmly believe Destiny 1's final pvp meta was intentionally made horrible so we'd play 2
The special economy with the meter discourages the use of special ammo more because you don't want to waste your valuable one shot. I have especially seen snipers way less in trials and rocking double primary more or defaulting to a shotgun for the special because you rarely have to aim much with one.
True but it also discourages the use of unique and fun builds. Making pvp more toxic and meta heavy.
It's a double-edged sword.
@@theremnants6807 most "fun builds" there was with old systems was more of a "hey this youtuber said its a broken combo with 500% win rate"
No matter the system they implement, its always going to be meta slaves everywhere
Rarely do people just build for fun anymore
Sounds like WAY TOO MUCH special ammo to me.
Time to dust off my fusion rifles.
Burden of guilt is saucy imo. My favorite fusion
DUUUDE my Burden's been slappin' lately. I'm not even a Fusion guy (shotgun Andy) but I love the look and it feels perfect everytime I use it 😭😭😭 I'm so rdy
@@denny8422 what’s your roll on burden?
I got small bore, projection fuse, well rounded, successful warmup, and a stability master work with adept range. It gets me up to 91 range and 76 stability off a super pop or grenade throw, which absolutely slaps
@@BombStarsElemental capacitor, high impact reserves, with a stability master work on burden of quilt goes hard
@@denny8422I got one with hammer, accelerated, perpetual, and harmony. Chill clip is other option. Currently have 5k pvp kills on it. Love it
Does this mean all them 1780 crackshots I've been witnessing were smurfs?.
Dang, i thought i was just getting old and getting skill issued
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9 years later they’re just dancing around double primaries again.
I am really worried about the ammo change. I been really liking trials and comp, and even been doing really well learning pulse rifles and sidearm gameplay. I’m just worried it will get really bad again where it’s just shot gun spams or sniper camp lanes
They continue to spam shotguns nevertheless.
It's less than before for sure.
It's PvP. It already sucked
Yeah, I was really enjoying the decrease in shotgun aping! Such a shame, especially with crates appearing at spawns.
Sniping has essentially died in trials and comp because of the current ammo system
@aidenrevetta4805 Destiny has never really been set up for real sniping. Most games have snipers almost unusable within 75m; in Destiny, that's a moderately long shot with a sniper. And in Trials I haven't noticed much of a drop in snipers, because I rarely saw them before the Ammo Transmat system; now they lack the ammo, but before they were still vulnerable to aping and especially flanking.
The special ammo meter system currently in place in the Crucible is fine for those who have even mid tier skill. Unfortunately, at least for those like me who cant hit water if thrown from a boat in pvp, Its made things lile the Lorentz Driver catalyst quest impossible. Joys of having the pvp skill level of a lobotomized house plant, i guess?
Its not just worse players suffering, the Meter is genuinely such a bad system, it makes special completely inconsistent, compared to when you were able to keep track of ammo better. PvP's meta is actually a nightmare right now. I think if we had the old Special System, this Meta could be kept in check, but now its just rampant, and awful.
@@Nitroband pvp is doing fine besides target lock autos being kinda stupid. if the special ammo you possess feels random you've got middling skill at best. unless you mean it in reference to whether or not your opponent had special, in which case, valid actually.
i cant wait to play the whisper again bruh
I can't wait to play the whisper for the first time!
@@notbydesign3316ur gonna enjoy it. absolute banger
I'm more excited for Zero Hour, for whatever reason I didn't play that one nearly as many times.
Just return to forsaken era special ammo economy. I want to use my beloved as a primary weapon again
For everybody out there who mains sniper and is a little bit upset with new ammo economy. Try the finals, they added 5v5 game mode in season 2 and I'm currently having a blast there using my light build with a sniper and grapple. (I'm imagining that I'm using starnd and beloved and crying)
No flinch, bad aim assist for rollers and no fucking bullet magnetism on mnk, so you actually have to be accurate to beat an opponent
Me with my frozen orbit
I think using Beloved and Dust Rock Blues as primaries are the very reason Special Ammo has been repeatedly gutted.
When Special Ammo is abundant, games devolve into being a psychopath or camping a power position for the rest if the game.
When Special Ammo is scarce, everyone just teamshots because Primaries can't get a kill without having moved Heaven and Earth.
It's a problem that's plagued the game since inception. It's never going away.
Oh would you look at that. Even MORE REASON to keep never touching crucible. I'll add it to the list.
I knew it! I thought it was really strange during the last Bungie stream when they showed the new PvP maps with Special ammo crates. I figured it was a "hint" at something they had cooking
Do you play the game that's collision.
They told us about looking at implementing ammo crates a few TWIDs ago
I just want them to revert the changes entirely in 6's. It's nothing but shoulder to shoulder teamshot meta and I hate it.
Put on a waveframe and profit, then.
Seriously. Just rat packs roaming from zone to zone. So boring.
I agree 100% so boring
One thing about special ammo is it drastically takes the skill out of the game. With no special people worry that the meta will be campy and deathballing but we already have that. 6s is 50/50 teamshot or absolute apefest with no in between. Not saying I'd prefer Y1 D2 but I regularly decide to run double primary and couldn't give a single fuck about the "skill expression" with shotgun, nade launcher, etc.
Not to mention the changes did nothing since good players can farm worse ones for ammo, and apes just int away their starting shots then sit and do nothing all game.
Imo there should be a gunplay only game mode with no abilities, I understand that the space magic is what makes destiny stand out from other games but I'd love to see some slower gunplay positioning exchanges, all the changes to the ammo economy are kind of overshadowed when it doesn't matter what gun you're using if you get blade barraged from halfway across the map.
They announced that they tried this system when collisions first came out already its not for the first time. And it was in labs.
And it still sucked
@@syd6654 agreed 100% crate system is ass current system is inf better
It works for clash imo. It made games a little more fluid and as a movement-focused player I loved it
Collision wasn’t labs, it was just part of the 3v3 playlist and it shipped that way
God dammit. I was REALLY hoping I would be able to change my human Hunter to Exo.
They have been testing crates in labs if I remember correctly
The new meter special ammo feeds into a snowball effect. Isn’t quite balanced.
The other thing that I find frustrating about the meter, is I can't predict when enemies have special. I get notified when I receive special, but not when enemies get it. I can duel someone that has already fired two shotgun shots, and surprise! They have more
@@ashes382 true and man when matchmaking puts you on a match in progress you enter with no special and they are with supers and special. Is like thanks for ruining my KD.
You don’t get special with special kills.
@@xXDrOkOnXx seems to be at the very east 50% of my time in pvp since the last update, getting bounced from match to match and thrown in halfway through. Also im ps4 so the character skins take about a minute to load so im literally fighting invisible players with special and supers whilst ive yet to even get warmed up. just to be hit with "were breaking up those teams" then start the same thing all over again
It sucks, but the nature of being better feeds into a snowball effect. Everything is based on rewarding skill, so higher skill equals higher rewards. There's literally no way for this game to keep the playing field completely level without a complete overhaul. That's why they're trying crates again, which isn't the answer either. If you drop special, that just helps the higher skill players too since you'll respawn without any, and they'll be stockpiling yours.
With the special meter IB is a shitshow for me, enemy team bunching up to a deathball, farming special while my teammates run around solo, getting farmed. System works in trials, but in 6v6 it does not work at least in my skill bracket.
I like the special ammo meter system too
My spider pfp is better
@powerflood51408 Not bad that's for sure 😂
I mean they did use labs for collision and the crate system in collision, I thought it played well, mostly because at least we all spawned in with special
As someone who really dislikes the ammo meter system in trials, I'm glad they're trying something else. I much preferred the hard reset of ammo at the beginning of every round, and how going into a round you always knew how much ammo your opponent had. Now it feels like a gamble to peak any lane or push any corner, because you have no idea what could be waiting for you. It could be a Forerunner with 18 unused shots from previous rounds, or it could be a primary fight, (or 3 guys hugging behind a barricade with autos).
Even if there was more ammo available before, at least there wasn't uncertainty, leading to hyper passive play. Additionally, the meter system creates a snowball effect I'm not a fan of. Teams who win earlier rounds have a much greater advantage over their opponents, as they'll have a lot more special to use in the moment. Previously it was only supers you had to worry about, but now you could be stuck with nothing while your opponent enters the fourth round with 10 shotgun shots between them.
Thank the lord's for the new ammo system coming up 🙏🙏 checkmate was the worst thing to come into destiny 2
Old system was better imo
Right when the skill gap was starting to widen, they're compressing it again? I don't see these Special changes making the Comp playlist any better.
Eh... What skill gap .. .the sidearm Spam when you get close and the igneous from a mile away or the pulse ? Literally a weapon for every situation ..very little map movement etc ..
I wish we were forced to run a special weapon ..double primary ruins the game just as much as special ..
@@kenzilbaptiste2519 haahahhhahahahahahahah
@kenzilbaptiste2519 I'm close... of course I'm going to use a sidearm
Hey Fallout! They did try it out in labs. Collision in labs has been using the ammo crate system for quite a bit
Quick question. How do I redeem the Tigris fati emblem? I've never done a twitch drop until now, and I'm worry I'm not gonna get it. That same emblem was my favorite in D1 😵💫
Noone's gonna talk about the cursed double blade barrage at 5:10?
The problem with the current ammo system is you don't know if a player has zero special ammo or an entire mag.
I actually liked using my glaive as a tool and not as my primary. It actually felt good to also have to aim well with my primaries for a change. now...they just seem to throw aim to the wind again. I'm confident we will go back to the old system, just rebranded as crates with dropping ammo on death
The reward set to a title or something exclusive would have been awesome!
I think ammo packs that randomly appear on the mapo would help
Gambit's Mote (Timelost) I changed to just before annoucing "removing gabmit"
Glad to see they’re finally fixing the ammo for high impact fusions for some reason you only get 1 ammo even on kill refunds. And in collision you only get one ammo per conditional shot
the reduction is strand skill points needed makes my titan happy!!! I did the grind on my lock and hunter
Buried bloodline still doesn’t get proper ammo from transmat, hoping it at least does for the crate
They said on the stream pantheon would be discussed in a future TWAB, not the next one
I agree with your thoughts on the special ammo meter feeling good finally. I'm not much of aPvP player usually, but after grinding iron banner this past week it's felt really good shifting the focus more towards primary usage and needing to conserve your special for moments where you can make it count
Ok but are the quick silver GL changes in PvP too? Because that will literally kill it if I’m killing them before the micro rocket procs it’ll basically be an exotic without an exotic trait
im def not crafting outbreak since i already have over 16k kills with it
That's pretty low
@@thundershock720no, you just don’t have a life
@@ilikedirt1781 datto says delete it🤓
@ilikedirt1781 I mean, if you're an end game pve player 16k isn't that crazy.
It is of you use literally any other weapon lol @@Whitebishop89
I think the best iteration of the special ammo meter was in that first week of trials on cauldron. It made it very easy to know if an opponent had special ammo or not less they were using the glitch where they would switch to the chess piece with reserve mods, but not everybody was doing that, so you could easily count the number of shots and then know what to expect the next time you approach that enemy. In my opinion, that was the best it’s been.
I’m willing to try it. But also, I too am nervous
The only thing that I can think about after reading this twid is the comp change to clash and collision.
This is probably the first change that I've felt super passionately opposed to. I'm going to have to watch my salt levels now to make sure I don't start getting toxic.
I didn't say anything when they added rift (except that the matches still went on after there was literally no way to win) even though it's not fun in 3v3 and should be 4v4 at the least.
I didn't say anything when they reduced survival to 3 points even though it feels way worse, especially when countdown and trials elimination are to 5 points. 3 points is just over so fast, I almost feel like it might as well just be one round by comparison to the other game modes.
What if survival was to 3 points, but only if it was 3-0? If both teams win a round then it could go to 4 points? I'd be happier going to 5 like everything else, but whatever. Who really needs consistency? It's really that survival is my fave and I want to play it more.
Collision is just a snowball fest and clash gets pretty boring after a while. Comp used to be my favorite playlist back when it was just survival, though I liked the playlist fine when it was 4v4 and mixed modes. No idea why it went 3v3, but it worked and was fine, especially after we lost so many maps.
I thought 3v3 survival was the best iteration because it really helped people learn how to compete since it wasn't one life per round like trials, which doesn't help anyone get better. Elimination kind of works in the way that you have to already be good to compete. Anyone who's not already good learns to play scared by hiding and laning until there's a pick, which is the most boring kind of game. The zone helps a little so it doesn't drag out forever, but it's still lame.
It's really upsetting because comp has always been where I lived. Now it's just a big RIP for me. The new modes aren't very fun for playing repeatedly. I just see myself losing interest and being sad that there isn't a playlist I want to spend all my time in anymore. Ugh, I can feel the salt building.
The thing that killed d1 PvP was special ammo crates and no one can say otherwise
Well. It's better then the current ammo bar system.
so true
I think is far better in D2 that was in D1 and its much better than the bar system in my opinion.
i love the changes to special ammo. it was a pleasant suprise for me when i returned for the into the light update
If they want to add in Special Ammo bricks ive got an idea. A special Ammo brick fills up 1/2 of your special ammo meter l. It seems like a good trade off
no that precision shot gun bug lost me my flawless once and almost a 2nd time i defiantly noticed
As a fusion rifle main I like the meter. Problem is high impact fusions, several exotics, and main ingredient all only get 1 ammo instead of 2
New Light kit seems cool
I remember when Pantheon was destiny 1 crucible map.. damn im old
They tested ammo crates in Collision in Labs
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Interesting thanks for the catch up
in fact i would like to see a video on that situation like how would you and byf would tackle that and good luck on going through the entire population of Touhou Project if you ever do a video similar to the one that featured raid bosses
Agreed. This is going to be everyone camping spec ammo crates. Like heavy ammo every round. I love the ammo meter system better.
“Having a side objective to choose to play around which rewards better map control as opposed to just kills” is not “forcing people to camp”
@@Googahgee of course it does, mark my words people will be running double special weapons like vanilla
I think they should market labs differently. Have it be the Pinnacle spot on weeks without IB and disable it on weekend for Trials. Have it literally be the "come here and find out," playlist. Idk, it kinda reminds me of how they should've treated Pinnacle weapon perks, give it to higher end players to play test and then give it to normal loot pools after tweaking it from the higher end play tester data.
I absolutely HATE the ammo bar system we’re stuck with now, so I’m all for the ammo box. I’d rather they just go back to the old special ammo system though.
The crate system is a nice compromise.
11:14 IDK I'm not much a fan of an emblem thats guaranteed to be rarer than day 1 last wish that will not take long to clear
I do not like any of the new special ammo economy changes. I want it to go back to where it used to be. Starting with two rounds. I hate starting with no ammo. Putting a crate at spawns in trials to start makes no sense. Give special to start
Either that or at least make the special ammo refill a global timer and not give it to the Void Titan with Conditional that's already destroying the entire lobby lmao
Im with you not liking it. If I would like all primary play, I would play halo..
@@cheppard2420
Or Checkmate, y'know.. the mode specifically designed for that?
@@cheppard2420 it makes the game very campy which it is now.
@@Fenneken141 exactly
How will we get the new Whisper of the Worm? I've had that thing forever now, and I really don't want to have to earn it again
By completing the "Whisper" (Reprised) mission when it releases with Into the Light which you have to talk to Eris to start the mission. and when you complete it you will unlock the craftable Whisper of the Worm, plus if your lucky enough you can also unlock the ship as well.
Didn't they use Labs for collision which has ammo crates?
I’m cool with trying it honestly; would love to try it honestly
I have avoided all pvp activities after reading about misapplied bans.
don't feel like grinding a halfway decent gear pool because some robo system thinks I cheated for my abysmally low ranking
What do they mean by manipulate matchmaking? How can it be manipulated
I get why they want to at least see if there are better solutions to the special ammo economy. The infrequent nature of the meter system means risk reward specials like GLs and Snipers are used significantly less, and pain point exotics like Forerunner and Conditional Finality are used more, as well as it means if your team does particularly well, you get even stronger than you already were. It feels much better than before, but there's still room to improve. However, i think of messing with it in Trials is the wrong move.
It's an endgame PvP mode that only sticks around half a week. It shouldn't be treated like a sandbox where devs can mess with a little bit here, and a little bit there, and it certainly shouldn't be the first place to go to for testing. They have Labs for a reason.
Bro just gave me the idea to change my name to Vex Offender
They have put crates in labs and it had a lot of traffic since they’ve been in
My main problem with Trials ammo is special ammo on round 1. If they just made it be charge bar, no ammo, the steamroll will be skill based.
Also that breach GL buff will probably trigger Knockout again, so if you were like me and liked to degeneratively shoot a wave GL and punch close up to enemies, guess what? They might be bringing back that build
remove heavy ammo replace heavy round with special round[1 brick] and every other round is special round starting on round 2. Spec drops on death also -100% regen to non super abilities.
Forget the meter and the crates, just give us the old system back. If I'm going to get cloudstruck every time the bad guy respawns, at least I will have ammo too. I'd like to be able to practice using fusions, snipers and GLs without needing to wait a millennia for ammo.
As far as I see it, the pros get to stay good because they've already trained over the years and can make good use of the scarce ammo or are even skilled enough to run the right double primary combos. Meanwhile any aspiring PvP player either has to spend 3x longer learning the ropes of special weapons in PvP or work their way to pro on double primary.
There's a bunch of ppl using precision shottys, Matadoor. Anyone using a kinetic slot primary is using them. But there's a SERIOUS lack of precision shottys overall, and we haven't gotten a new one in years despite them being the best pvp archetype. There's zero kinetic ammo precision shottys that aren't sunset, and Bungie missed a HUGE opportunity with Into the Light to bring back Dustrock Blues. Instead, we get Succession again.
I think the reason for the trialing of special ammo changes has to do with the snowball nature that trials currently is. Granted some of that is due to terrible lobby balancing. However, my experience with trials is very few close games. Most are 5-0/5-1/5-2 for either team. With the current setup it’s just a rich get richer kind of situation without the other team having the ability to catch up.
honestly, as a lower skilled player, I heavily dislike the current trials, there are many games where I get 2 special shots, for the entire game. While the enemy team get enough ammo to roll over me round after round.
So get good? 😂.
Why the fk would a low skill player get kills on better players because of special 50/50 crutch.
My kd and winsate skyrocketed now that worse players can no longer 50/50 their way out of everything.
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So, I get why people don’t like crates but I do think they willingly to not go with it if it doesn’t work. They did make it clear by the 3rd week of trials it will go back to special meter
So THATS why my Fractethyst wasn't ohkoing
the only good thing this brings me is that i get to practice with slugs more but yeah this is such an unneeded change
The new meter allows snowballing to happen really badly. Ofc, people who play the game for a living will *love* this system, as it benefits them more than anything.
I feel like this is a psychotic change. Collision already swings dramatically game to game. I have had so few balanced feeling games. It is so hard to get control when you have to camp a special drop just to get back in the fight. Not to mention that you drop special. So the winning team just keeps momentum. If you are on the winning team you need to do so little. I have been able to play matches where 2/3rds of my kills are just straight Fusion Rifles kills. Before anyone is like but the comp list is so much more balanced because of SBM, we all know it doesn't work and bunnies ELO system is shit and doesn't know how to do arithmetic.
Man i love special meter, racking up a 5 or 6 streak and then swapping to my condi just to pop off w 6 or 7 more kills is too much fun in 6s at least, even in trials i dont mind special meter, i think id much prefer it over ammo crates
Digressing more than jayztwocents
They may have just killed competitive for me i doubt i enjoy these changes
Does this mean alt accounts will be bannable? I have another one for when I'm chatbanned
iron banner iron lord title is still bugged the weapons from the last 3 seasons havent counted towards the unique weapons required for the triumph ya love to see it man
They literally had trials right 3 weeks ago. They made special more abundant the past 2 weeks which sucked, but that first week after the change the meter was perfect.
They said the solo wave 50 would be nearly impossible, not a fireteam completion… fyi
My take. There are some weapons whos counters are special.
Get special too often. You deal with fusion. And all sorts of spam.
No special. Certain weapons become harder to deal with.
Both keep each other in line.
With these changes theres certainly gonna be some burried weapons that will be hard to deal with and Ex- special weapons like devils ruin and fighting lion will become way more viable.
Plus there will be more heavy weapon spam in crucible
The special ammo meter feels good sometimes, but as a bad player who doesnt get hella kills, and as someone who wants the deadeye title, its really annoying how i feel like i never have that sweet green. That being said, i have noticed that im not getting specialed so overwhelmingly, which is good.
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Out of all 10 years I've been with the franchise, the end of D1 was the worst meta I've ever played. Special Ammo crates completely killed my desire to play the PvP and made me easily transition into D2Y1, a better realized meta of double Primaries that almost no one liked. The only reason D2Y1 gets more hate is because the end of D1 was also a period where people were ready to transition to D2 and didn't scrutinize the blarring issues of that system.
Special Ammo crates force gunfights to take place near the ammo spawns, limiting the playable map down to extremelty few locations. It's more damning than other objective based game modes. Also, once the stronger player gets the kill, they secure the Special ammo becoming more powerful than the player they were able to defeat with weaker weapons, causing more deaths in the process. Also, the stronger player can now bully and monopolize all of the Special ammo crates, starving the other player of resources to be able to take the game back. The only exceptions to these were Ice Breaker-- a special ammo with infinite ammo, and Side Arms, weapons you were allowed to play in place of a special weapon.
Special Ammo crates need to never come back.
Here is my problem with the special meter. Because trials currently focuses on capturing zones, bubbles and wells are still the meta and win games. This compels me to run conditional and hold on to my special for those rounds when said supers come out.
Sure. I think double primary is much more viable nowadays, which is great. However, if you're playing better teams and the matches come down to the wire, good luck winning against those supers with your sidearm and pulse rifle when the other team caps the zone. This is my biggest issue with the new special meter and it needs to change because it's very annoying when I want to use things other than bubble, well, and conditional.
For the record, I'm not saying you can't do well with other loadouts, but those loadouts are meta Mainstays for a reason, and I know anyone in trials feels much better when you see two bubble titans or wellocks on your team than arc hunters.
They did say that they're specifically using this to gather data on special ammo AMOUNTS, which leads me to believe that this is designed to help tune values for the special ammo meter system.
for the name change, i was 2 characters over the limit but instead of telling me and letting me try again, bungie was just like "nah u wanted this" so now my name is "eris morn's weird green ba" instead of ball :') im excited for the name change
The special ammo crate is really good for the game right now in higher tier pvp because of how overly potent shotguns are in comp and trials.
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Total Solar Eclipse happens over the USA from Hoston to Indianapolis 4/8. Coincidence?
Mega lol
Let's go new name change, I made the awful mistake of putting ttv in my name now I just cringe Everytime I log on
Same. Cant even count the number of t-bags i've recieved by people thinking i was a tryhard
@@leonthelindstrom5925 That, but also just doing raids can be annoying, everyone expects more when you have ttv in your name which I understand but it is annoying after a while
Guess Im not playing trials these next 2 weeks
So some of the labs they've introduced recently had the ammo box system introduced for play test. And honestly I hate it. I get special at the beginning of the map, and then never after. If I respawn after a teammate has died and respawned 9/10 times they've already grabbed the ammo box and it's gone, or if I die and respawn, my teammates need. Me back into their fights ASAP, so there's no time to deviate away or wait for the special box to spawn so I can get ammo. Just something I've noticed consistently with that style of game mode. I prefer the checkmate style myself, as it rewards people for engaging and winning fights, not for being a box spawn camping, running, special crutching dick.
I think special is fine the way it is. The ttk right now seems off idk if I like it. Almost feels like d2 vanilla.