I have a zen moment/headseeker roll and it's great. It doesn't have ricochet rounds or a range masterwork so I'm still focusing on this till i get that roll. Extended barrel, ricochet rounds and a range master work is what I'm after. Mine now has 75 range so it's useable but not 5/5.
Rocking hammer forge rifle ricochet rounds zen moment desperado range masterwork I’d like to try the head seeker roll with zen but I really like this roll desperado fells like kill clip
@otisdriftwood7094 I got a shiny 4/5 early on and haven't used it yet just due to not playing pvp at all yet since onslaught released. Super excited to try it out. Let me know what you think of it.
Just wanted to say I really appreciate how you go over the best pattern for the deterministic recoil. Not many other creators do and it’s now a vital piece of info to have.
one thing alot of people arent talking about is how good the sight on elsies is a translucent sight with a clear red dot its what sights in this game wish they were
Destiny might be the only game where the sights don't bother me much. I kinda wish more guns had straight up irons lol. But I agree, elsie's is real clean. Gun feels good
Overlapping the sights for w/o Zen Moment and with it was goddamn genius 👏, love that perk and anything that makes people see how much work it does is awesome
I managed to get a special edition one with arrowhead break, high caliber rounds, zen moment/under over in the 3rd column, and headseeker/kill clip in the fourth. I could not be happier with it
I never really liked even pre nerf desperado on the messaged or broadsword, but zen moment desperado on this thing made me completely fall in love with desperado, being able to use it to farm kill people as they get res’ed in trials is beautiful, and unlike those other weapons it still feels like I can hit the 2 burst constantly with desperado active
Finally, a Void high impact pulse you don't have to farm Pit of Heresy for and given high impact pulses in the energy slot are EXTREMELY rare altogether (only four in the game's history with Premonition being reissued ages ago after being sunset). Also, thank you for talking up Desperado. I get the bigger appeal of Kill Clip and maybe Desperado could use a slight buff (i.e. the added stability and aim assist from Necrochasm's version of the perk), Desperado can still cook when it's going. Always has for the most part in my experience. Something I recall from another vid when talking about Desperado to consider... "In pve desperado is the only 30% increase in weapon efficiency for legendaries in the game after the kill clip nerf In pvp desperado is the only damage perk that universally shifts ttk's for all archetypes of pulses (not factoring in like taking a single bullet out of a burst like kill clip does. Plus, the forgiveness of desperado is based on correcting for MISSED shots (because you can send a followup burst faster) while kill clip adds forgiveness for just BODYSHOTS Overall desperado has a higher activation requirement, but imo it does add at least something to the table"
I wanted to look it up, and yeah, there's only 4 'second-slot' high-impact pulses in the entire game: Premonition (Pit of Heresy) Stars in Shadow (Crucible, Season 12) Phyllotactic Spiral (Neomona) Elsie's Rifle (Into the Light). One for each Light element. Crazy stat. I'll share another: There's never been an Arc Lightweight Frame sidearm. . . Unless you count the Vinegaroon-2SI with an Arc Damage Mod wayback in the beginning of D2. 😂
Appreciate the detailed review and analysis on stuff like recoil direction and the effects of zen moment. Great breakdown of what is clearly a best in class pulse with a tremendously bright future. I can't wait to lock in an ideal zen headseeker roll and enhance it up!
other reviewers didn't even mention the shitty horizontal recoil in their supposed god roll recommendations. CG the goat for weapon reviews bc he actually tests them
I personally like under over head seeker. I have a zen roll too and it’s great but I use the under over for the fact that I always 2 tap everyone. Even through over shields aside those given by well or bubble
I agree with your assessment. I am solely grinding for "my" god roll version now. So far zen and headseeker is my favorite for a dueling weapon. Just trying to find the best barrel (range and stability) and masterwork for it.
I was insanely lucky the other day with an Elsie's drop - the Shiny dual perk version. Zen/keep away & desperado/headseeker with range MW . Crazy happy! The weakness is barrels, i have chambered to help Recoil, and fullbore as options. Flared or extended mags
In pve I proc V-rounds on every void build. The fact that Brave weapons all give Light subclasses grenade energy is awesome. So Elsie's and Recluse will help you get back thst grenade you just tossed to proc V rounds. Pair with a Vortex grenade and explode groups of enemies. No need for D-rounds. Go ahead and take a damage perk
I've never been a fan of slow pulse rifles (besides Bygones), even though they are generally my favorite primary weapon type (I prefer rapid-fire usually). Gotta say, Elsie's has blown me away. I found myself using it as a go-to for early Onslaught waves before I swap over to Graviton Lance/Disorienting Grenades. Absolutely SLAPS with volatile rounds, and the rolls are pretty incredible, much like with many of these Brave weapons.
Honestly your weapon reviews lately have me re-evaluating rolls on the new brave weapons as well as older guns. I've also started looking at perk combos I might not have considered with the sandbox changes. Also, loving the included recoil patterns and the overlay with the two different reticle patterns is top tier man; keep it up!
I have been following you for a LONG TIME!! You have the most informative reviews… so imagine how appalled I was when I realized I wasn’t subscribed. Fixed that! Keep up the great work
I'm a believer now. It's magnet-ing shots I don't think it should and it's amazing. and it duels it's just rock solid no flinch at all, it makes me wonder if my Messenger was ever this consistent with the two-taps. This thing is best in slot Hi impact pulse now for the energy slot, AND it pairs with Conditional. People were silly for scoffing at this and it was announced.
Unfortunately I've been so busy I only got to farm foir Recluse so far, but I can't wait to get and use this one, it was my favourite pulse in D1 and I was so sad it was light level locked... I hope your health is holding up okay, do take care of yourself you hear? o/
Mines got Extended Barrel, Flared, Keep Away, Head Seeker, with a Stability Masterwork. It is shiny and I love how it looks, Flared + Keep Away is a crazy combo to look for, genuinely, when Keep Away is active that 75 reload speed suddenly turns into a 100 reload speed and now its a kill chain monster with Desperado (which is my other perk but I prefer Head Seeker for consistency). This thing is gonna be hard to compete with going forward because no other pulse will be like this
You know what might make a really interesting vid, honestly - is a breakdown of how you manage your vault. You cover tons of rolls all the time, but eventually you gotta make room for the next review - what do you choose to keep? Not a Datto cleaning or anything like that, just your own decision process from a player’s perspective and how the content creation affects it, etc.
I loved strangers rifle in D1, was one of my most used weapons. Was so excited for Elsie's Rifle and when i heard it was getting zen moment and headseeker i knew it was gonna be able to compete. So happy they brought it back in a good state
I got a curated roll with a couple good pve perks and Zen Moment/Headseeker for PvP. Combined with High Caliber rounds and smallbore for some extra range and stability and it was tearing things up today. Clean sights, feels great to use for me and could two burst better than any pulse I've used before thanks to Zen Moment helping control that recoil, even without arrowhead (also 72 stability thanks to MW). I play on PC, so its definitely not just a controller perk anymore. It's a beast.
Great video as always. I have about 20 of these but only 4 are good for me. I have Zen / Kill clip, Under-Over/ Kill Clip, Under-Over / Adrenaline Junkie, they are great. But I am still looking for a Smallbore, Ricochet Round, Under-Over (which is a perk you opened my eyes too), and Headseeker. That’s my PvP good roll. I have a Repulsor Brace/ Destabilizing Rounds roll that’s nasty for PvE, I plan on pairing that with Gyrfalcons.
I was really wanting a under-over/kc (or headseeker) roll for this but I wound up getting a holo with Keep Away and a kc/headseeker swap. Ricochet rounds, smallbore and a stability MW. Honestly love it.
09:24 since i tried my adept messenger with under over desperado just for the fun, and realized that it was melting through guardians, i immediately fell in love with it.
This isn’t the only Pulse Rifle with Zen Moment + Headseeker. You reviewed Syncopation when Witch Queen launched, and that was before both perks got their buffs. I would like a re-review of that weapon since it can get ENHANCED PERKS. I for one use it that Stasis Pulse Rifle so much and love using it. 4:30
I’ve gotten multiple really solid rolls but still chasing that Zen moment, Headseeker, Ricochet, Small bore/Arrowhead, and Range MW. Once I get that roll I’m pairing it with conditional or an smg/sidearm and never taking it off unless I feel like getting some spicy one taps with Hawkmoon.
My favourite was a keep away headseeker it has 85 stability and 75 range with keep away it feels so good. I like the zen moment one too though just couldn’t get the same stats as my keep away one.
It really does just feel different. Also helps that I’ve had the most luck with drops on this. Got the PvE rolls you were talking about. Also for PvP I got Arrowhead Brake/Ricochet Rounds/Zen Moment/Headseeker/Stability Masterwork. An absolute dream to use. Also got Arrowhead Brake (or Hammer Forged)/Ricochet Rounds/Under-Over/Headseeker/Range Masterwork which is perfect to switch to when you have those overshielding teams.
A quirky perk I honestly have my eye on is Loose Change ever since they buffed it to give +20 Aim Assist and 20% reduced ADS speed penalty, basically twice as good as Moving Target but with an activation requirement. And since it's a Void weapon it'll work with Gyrfalcon's with the Volatile Rounds so you should easily have Loose Change active in a duel, probably not as consistent as Zen being up all the time but I feel like it's a gimmick combo worth keeping in consideration.
With the new changes in Exotics and subclass verbs, I am surprised to say that Loose Change is viable with this, especially with Headseeker. It is essentially triple the Aim assist, and double the ADS strafe speed of Moving Target with a reload bump and headshot damage bump. W atith Gyrfalcon Hunter, it will give you wall hacks, and damage groupers! Pair it w Rat King to keep it going
There is a trade off for all those stats though. Of the high impacts you showed, its the only one woth a lower zoom at 17, so there is still a cost, but it seems to be worth the tradeoff
Solid video. Really appreciate the overlay of the sites with Zen versus non-zen. It always sucks being on MnK with different recoil feel. I never FEEL the impact of Zen on MnK, and really notice the impact of Keep Away. Would have loved a comparison with Keep Away on this as well as the Zen. Performing the same Sights overlay with crits versus non crits.
Right now I prefer my arrowhead break, highcal, zen moment, headseaker roll since the only maps that my 68 range are the two witch queen maps. I consider this to be as good as a psy hermetic god roll at base and is more accessible. The only thing I'd be curious to know is if we can enhance both perks in a column. I'll probably get a few weapons with good pve and PVP perk sets on the same weapon, like my recluse.
My first adept was Messenger with Headseeker/Zen Moment. Awful roll when it dropped, but it’s become a monster in recent times. Got the same roll on Elsie’s and it’s insane, I’m not even a pulse rifle person outside of BxR.
Zen x Headseeker is what I'm hoping for. Wasn't really bothered until I got a pretty meh roll & saw the Stats! Even a mediocre roll was a stop from auto dismantle & check it because it must have the best options in Barrel, Mag & MW kinda situation! I've seen a few people not really into it in PVE but I definitely want a Repulsor Brace x Destabilising Rounds one to try out on my Gyrfalcons Build, hard hitting + silly synergy seems like a no brainer.
Great video man! I actually got lucky and got the God roll you recommended. Haven’t heard much about your health lately, is everything better? We appreciate you man and hope you’re doing well
If you are a super min-maxer then it's worth noting the Under-Over roll. If anti-barrier pulse ever comes back it would be the best void option with Frenzy for champ stunning. Pretty niche end-game use case but uh, being best-in-class at something is worth a mention I think
Ended up getting a shiny yesterday with zen and underover in the 3rd and headseeker and desperado in the 4th along with riccochet and high cal as the mag options.... might be my luckiest drop to date
My zen moment and desperado is killing guardians on her own I literally just watch it happen also Elsie's allows me to run a shotgun which I haven't done in over 2 years
I really appreciate the wall shoot test now that every weapon has deterministic recoil. However, I’m a bit surprised you mentioned smallbore as your optimal roll since that forces a counterbalance mod to avoid the 73 recoil. 🤷♂️
Love this gun better than the messenger. Got my shiny GOD ROLL 💯🔥😊. Corkscrew, fluted barrel. Ricochet, flared magwell. Zen moment, Keepaway. Kill clip, Head seeker. Stability MW
Thank you for watching! I love this pulse and still looking for a 5/5. What rolls are you liking?
Repulser brace and desperate measures
I have a zen moment/headseeker roll and it's great. It doesn't have ricochet rounds or a range masterwork so I'm still focusing on this till i get that roll. Extended barrel, ricochet rounds and a range master work is what I'm after. Mine now has 75 range so it's useable but not 5/5.
Rocking hammer forge rifle ricochet rounds zen moment desperado range masterwork I’d like to try the head seeker roll with zen but I really like this roll desperado fells like kill clip
@otisdriftwood7094 I got a shiny 4/5 early on and haven't used it yet just due to not playing pvp at all yet since onslaught released. Super excited to try it out. Let me know what you think of it.
You don’t have a shiny god roll lmao
Just wanted to say I really appreciate how you go over the best pattern for the deterministic recoil. Not many other creators do and it’s now a vital piece of info to have.
Np ❤
Seriously. I think other people's reviews are really missing out by not covering it, I think it's really important
Literally like 2 content creators do this everyone else is like "it has kill clip it's a god roll😂"
I was just about to post the same thing. The classic "get to 100" just isn't the same anymore and seeing the actual recoil helps immensely.
*cough cough aztecross* some real thorough testing he did by looking at it on paper
one thing alot of people arent talking about is how good the sight on elsies is a translucent sight with a clear red dot its what sights in this game wish they were
Destiny might be the only game where the sights don't bother me much. I kinda wish more guns had straight up irons lol. But I agree, elsie's is real clean. Gun feels good
Yeah, the messenger red dot gives me tunnel vision. I miss when it had scope options.
It’s what ur mom wishes u were…
Yeah… I’ll just c myself out…
Overlapping the sights for w/o Zen Moment and with it was goddamn genius 👏, love that perk and anything that makes people see how much work it does is awesome
was about to drop the same comment! Really cool to see the difference real time. Kudos, CoolGuy
Yeah, great editing there.
i have a zen, desperado roll.
0.55 ttk , blindingly fast
I managed to get a special edition one with arrowhead break, high caliber rounds, zen moment/under over in the 3rd column, and headseeker/kill clip in the fourth. I could not be happier with it
Sounds perfect for pvp 1000%
I'm sorry, but that's illegal. Delete it for the good of the crucible.
prepare to get messiges like you are cheating
Under over desperado . Is cheating😅😅😅😅 got that roll and haven't put it down yet lol
you have actual hit the jackpot, that is insane. Enjoy it man
Just a little correction for what's said at 5:40, flinch resists are multiplicative but since they are fractions of
something to note for a desperate measures roll is on a normal melee kill you can get 2 stacks, so melee one person into buffed gun dual :)
I'm intrigued on a warlock PVP build with desperate measures on Elsie's. With either Zen Moment or Over Under.
I have a Zen Moment/Headseeker roll with arrowhead, ricochet rounds, and a ranged masterwork. Imma have to take this thing out for a spin.
I have only one problem with this gun. The stock is so big, it block 1/4 of my screen
Sounds like a fov issue.
Skill issue
They also made the sights smaller
That’s why I like console reticle cantering instead of middle cantering
The stock is why the stats are so good though, think about it.
I never really liked even pre nerf desperado on the messaged or broadsword, but zen moment desperado on this thing made me completely fall in love with desperado, being able to use it to farm kill people as they get res’ed in trials is beautiful, and unlike those other weapons it still feels like I can hit the 2 burst constantly with desperado active
I’m loving under over on this thing, void titans literally don’t expect it at range
Finally, a Void high impact pulse you don't have to farm Pit of Heresy for and given high impact pulses in the energy slot are EXTREMELY rare altogether (only four in the game's history with Premonition being reissued ages ago after being sunset).
Also, thank you for talking up Desperado. I get the bigger appeal of Kill Clip and maybe Desperado could use a slight buff (i.e. the added stability and aim assist from Necrochasm's version of the perk), Desperado can still cook when it's going. Always has for the most part in my experience.
Something I recall from another vid when talking about Desperado to consider...
"In pve desperado is the only 30% increase in weapon efficiency for legendaries in the game after the kill clip nerf
In pvp desperado is the only damage perk that universally shifts ttk's for all archetypes of pulses (not factoring in like taking a single bullet out of a burst like kill clip does. Plus, the forgiveness of desperado is based on correcting for MISSED shots (because you can send a followup burst faster) while kill clip adds forgiveness for just BODYSHOTS
Overall desperado has a higher activation requirement, but imo it does add at least something to the table"
I wanted to look it up, and yeah, there's only 4 'second-slot' high-impact pulses in the entire game:
Premonition (Pit of Heresy)
Stars in Shadow (Crucible, Season 12)
Phyllotactic Spiral (Neomona)
Elsie's Rifle (Into the Light).
One for each Light element. Crazy stat.
I'll share another: There's never been an Arc Lightweight Frame sidearm. . . Unless you count the Vinegaroon-2SI with an Arc Damage Mod wayback in the beginning of D2. 😂
Damn, didn't know Zen literally pins your reticle in place. Great visual representation. Thanks CG.
Appreciate the detailed review and analysis on stuff like recoil direction and the effects of zen moment. Great breakdown of what is clearly a best in class pulse with a tremendously bright future. I can't wait to lock in an ideal zen headseeker roll and enhance it up!
other reviewers didn't even mention the shitty horizontal recoil in their supposed god roll recommendations. CG the goat for weapon reviews bc he actually tests them
I loved seeing the regular version laid on top of Zen moment! It really shows how good it is.
I personally like under over head seeker. I have a zen roll too and it’s great but I use the under over for the fact that I always 2 tap everyone. Even through over shields aside those given by well or bubble
No one Elsie tests recoil patterns! You saved the day cool guy 😎
I agree with your assessment. I am solely grinding for "my" god roll version now. So far zen and headseeker is my favorite for a dueling weapon. Just trying to find the best barrel (range and stability) and masterwork for it.
BXR is a good example, my current crafted roll is 80 range, 61 Stability, 73 Handling, 65 Reload Speed.
I was insanely lucky the other day with an Elsie's drop - the Shiny dual perk version. Zen/keep away & desperado/headseeker with range MW . Crazy happy! The weakness is barrels, i have chambered to help Recoil, and fullbore as options. Flared or extended mags
In pve I proc V-rounds on every void build. The fact that Brave weapons all give Light subclasses grenade energy is awesome. So Elsie's and Recluse will help you get back thst grenade you just tossed to proc V rounds. Pair with a Vortex grenade and explode groups of enemies. No need for D-rounds. Go ahead and take a damage perk
I have a third axiom with zen moment and head seeker. That combination is a must have. It must be perfect on Elsie's Rifle.
Thank you for the fantastic weapon review, in-depth exploration of zin moment, and the perfect overlay to show it in action.
I've never been a fan of slow pulse rifles (besides Bygones), even though they are generally my favorite primary weapon type (I prefer rapid-fire usually). Gotta say, Elsie's has blown me away. I found myself using it as a go-to for early Onslaught waves before I swap over to Graviton Lance/Disorienting Grenades. Absolutely SLAPS with volatile rounds, and the rolls are pretty incredible, much like with many of these Brave weapons.
first elsies roll i got a holofoil one with zen headseeker, high cal and arrowhead/fluted, extremely consistent roll.
I got a shiny variant with Smallbore/Arrowhead - High call/Ricochet - Under over/Zen - Headseeker/KC. Played one match, fell in love.
Honestly your weapon reviews lately have me re-evaluating rolls on the new brave weapons as well as older guns. I've also started looking at perk combos I might not have considered with the sandbox changes. Also, loving the included recoil patterns and the overlay with the two different reticle patterns is top tier man; keep it up!
I have been following you for a LONG TIME!! You have the most informative reviews… so imagine how appalled I was when I realized I wasn’t subscribed. Fixed that! Keep up the great work
I'm a believer now. It's magnet-ing shots I don't think it should and it's amazing. and it duels it's just rock solid no flinch at all, it makes me wonder if my Messenger was ever this consistent with the two-taps. This thing is best in slot Hi impact pulse now for the energy slot, AND it pairs with Conditional. People were silly for scoffing at this and it was announced.
I love that you cover the record patterns now. Best weapon reviews I never miss one, watch most of them multiple times
Unfortunately I've been so busy I only got to farm foir Recluse so far, but I can't wait to get and use this one, it was my favourite pulse in D1 and I was so sad it was light level locked...
I hope your health is holding up okay, do take care of yourself you hear? o/
Mines got Extended Barrel, Flared, Keep Away, Head Seeker, with a Stability Masterwork. It is shiny and I love how it looks, Flared + Keep Away is a crazy combo to look for, genuinely, when Keep Away is active that 75 reload speed suddenly turns into a 100 reload speed and now its a kill chain monster with Desperado (which is my other perk but I prefer Head Seeker for consistency). This thing is gonna be hard to compete with going forward because no other pulse will be like this
You know what might make a really interesting vid, honestly - is a breakdown of how you manage your vault. You cover tons of rolls all the time, but eventually you gotta make room for the next review - what do you choose to keep? Not a Datto cleaning or anything like that, just your own decision process from a player’s perspective and how the content creation affects it, etc.
I got that Over Under Kill Clip roll and holy hell it's so fun. It tears through 6s.
I loved strangers rifle in D1, was one of my most used weapons. Was so excited for Elsie's Rifle and when i heard it was getting zen moment and headseeker i knew it was gonna be able to compete. So happy they brought it back in a good state
I got a curated roll with a couple good pve perks and Zen Moment/Headseeker for PvP. Combined with High Caliber rounds and smallbore for some extra range and stability and it was tearing things up today. Clean sights, feels great to use for me and could two burst better than any pulse I've used before thanks to Zen Moment helping control that recoil, even without arrowhead (also 72 stability thanks to MW). I play on PC, so its definitely not just a controller perk anymore.
It's a beast.
Great video as always. I have about 20 of these but only 4 are good for me. I have Zen / Kill clip, Under-Over/ Kill Clip, Under-Over / Adrenaline Junkie, they are great. But I am still looking for a Smallbore, Ricochet Round, Under-Over (which is a perk you opened my eyes too), and Headseeker. That’s my PvP good roll. I have a Repulsor Brace/ Destabilizing Rounds roll that’s nasty for PvE, I plan on pairing that with Gyrfalcons.
I was really wanting a under-over/kc (or headseeker) roll for this but I wound up getting a holo with Keep Away and a kc/headseeker swap. Ricochet rounds, smallbore and a stability MW. Honestly love it.
I just got a roll with arrowhead brake, Richochet rounds, Range mw, zen moment and head seeker. I just started playing again too 😅
09:24 since i tried my adept messenger with under over desperado just for the fun, and realized that it was melting through guardians, i immediately fell in love with it.
I was JUST looking at reviews after getting a smallbore rico ka despo stab shiny, nice timing! Hope all is well ❤
fun fact keep away can have this rifle out range other elsie's users
This isn’t the only Pulse Rifle with Zen Moment + Headseeker. You reviewed Syncopation when Witch Queen launched, and that was before both perks got their buffs. I would like a re-review of that weapon since it can get ENHANCED PERKS. I for one use it that Stasis Pulse Rifle so much and love using it. 4:30
I’ve gotten multiple really solid rolls but still chasing that Zen moment, Headseeker, Ricochet, Small bore/Arrowhead, and Range MW. Once I get that roll I’m pairing it with conditional or an smg/sidearm and never taking it off unless I feel like getting some spicy one taps with Hawkmoon.
My favourite was a keep away headseeker it has 85 stability and 75 range with keep away it feels so good. I like the zen moment one too though just couldn’t get the same stats as my keep away one.
This weapon is the secret meta right now, and I’m going to continue to abuse it in this new sandbox.
Always found high impacts fire so slow that people just run and hide after the first burst.
Not one these. They are pretty quick firing and stable.
i loved this gun in destiny 1 but i couldnt ever get a good feel for no time to explain, gonna give this a go
It really does just feel different.
Also helps that I’ve had the most luck with drops on this. Got the PvE rolls you were talking about.
Also for PvP I got Arrowhead Brake/Ricochet Rounds/Zen Moment/Headseeker/Stability Masterwork. An absolute dream to use.
Also got Arrowhead Brake (or Hammer Forged)/Ricochet Rounds/Under-Over/Headseeker/Range Masterwork which is perfect to switch to when you have those overshielding teams.
A quirky perk I honestly have my eye on is Loose Change ever since they buffed it to give +20 Aim Assist and 20% reduced ADS speed penalty, basically twice as good as Moving Target but with an activation requirement.
And since it's a Void weapon it'll work with Gyrfalcon's with the Volatile Rounds so you should easily have Loose Change active in a duel, probably not as consistent as Zen being up all the time but I feel like it's a gimmick combo worth keeping in consideration.
i was lucky enough to get a shiny version of it straight away with zen/head seeker and desperado..
Thing slaps in pvp
With the new changes in Exotics and subclass verbs, I am surprised to say that Loose Change is viable with this, especially with Headseeker. It is essentially triple the Aim assist, and double the ADS strafe speed of Moving Target with a reload bump and headshot damage bump. W atith Gyrfalcon Hunter, it will give you wall hacks, and damage groupers! Pair it w Rat King to keep it going
There is a trade off for all those stats though. Of the high impacts you showed, its the only one woth a lower zoom at 17, so there is still a cost, but it seems to be worth the tradeoff
Under over is my favorite perk to run now especially against healing nades
Solid video. Really appreciate the overlay of the sites with Zen versus non-zen. It always sucks being on MnK with different recoil feel. I never FEEL the impact of Zen on MnK, and really notice the impact of Keep Away. Would have loved a comparison with Keep Away on this as well as the Zen. Performing the same Sights overlay with crits versus non crits.
Very good combo, I was able to get this roll on a shiny version but it had a handling masterwork instead of range.
I've kept an Underover/KC roll and a Zen/Desperado roll. I plan on trying them both tonight!
Right now I prefer my arrowhead break, highcal, zen moment, headseaker roll since the only maps that my 68 range are the two witch queen maps. I consider this to be as good as a psy hermetic god roll at base and is more accessible. The only thing I'd be curious to know is if we can enhance both perks in a column. I'll probably get a few weapons with good pve and PVP perk sets on the same weapon, like my recluse.
Thanks for gettin nerdy with buddy...👊
I have an old zen/desperado messenger and I really like that combo as it stacks up zen so quick
Hunting that zen + headseeker roll, but got an under over + headseeker that has put in work so far.
My first adept was Messenger with Headseeker/Zen Moment. Awful roll when it dropped, but it’s become a monster in recent times. Got the same roll on Elsie’s and it’s insane, I’m not even a pulse rifle person outside of BxR.
I have Chambered, ric rounds, keep away , desperado and I really like it. Definitely top tier
I got the smallbore, ricochet rounds, zen, headseeker, and range roll. Oh when I just play a little further back it’s juicy
You know… I wish forerunner had discord; it’d be on a whole different level
Zen x Headseeker is what I'm hoping for. Wasn't really bothered until I got a pretty meh roll & saw the Stats! Even a mediocre roll was a stop from auto dismantle & check it because it must have the best options in Barrel, Mag & MW kinda situation!
I've seen a few people not really into it in PVE but I definitely want a Repulsor Brace x Destabilising Rounds one to try out on my Gyrfalcons Build, hard hitting + silly synergy seems like a no brainer.
Funny, I have head seeker/zen/kill clip/ under-over all on the same gun . VERY smooth
Great video man! I actually got lucky and got the God roll you recommended. Haven’t heard much about your health lately, is everything better? We appreciate you man and hope you’re doing well
If you are a super min-maxer then it's worth noting the Under-Over roll. If anti-barrier pulse ever comes back it would be the best void option with Frenzy for champ stunning. Pretty niche end-game use case but uh, being best-in-class at something is worth a mention I think
yeah got a good roll of this and some of the kills this weapon is capable is snagging is unreal
Ended up getting a shiny yesterday with zen and underover in the 3rd and headseeker and desperado in the 4th along with riccochet and high cal as the mag options.... might be my luckiest drop to date
I have the zen/headseejer for pvp, but for pve I have a Flared, zen, desperado for pve with 62 range, 80 stability and 75 reload. Is one of fun
in the team shotting meta we have, zen HS is so powerful
Looks like Zen Moment may make 100 recoil direction a solid play even though 83 is technically better.
Loose change / kill clip with gyrfalcons is really fun.
I got Corkscrew/Ricochet rounds/Zen moment/Headseeker w/ range mw. 80 range and 70 stability (80 once both perks are enhanced). It feels so good.
I recently got a roll with Arrowhead, ricochet, range mw, zen moment, and desperado. I haven’t used desperado much but I’ll have to give her a shot !
No explanation on Keep Away??? I would've thought that would be a direct side-by-side comparison to Phyllotactic Spiral...
My first shiny drop day 1 of Into the Light was the Zen/Seeker roll of this gun and i could tell immediately that it was special
those desperado streaks were disgusting.. they cooked with this weapon man
The review I've been waiting for since the introduction of onslaught. Thank you!
I have many awesome rolls for Elsie’s rife but the roll I am loving right now is under over with head seeker.
I wonder how that would work in The crucible. I have that on a shiny as well
@@Enerjay88 I played a few games with this roll in crucible. I can’t tell you the numbers but it does stack on players with over shields etc.
I have an old Messenger with HC/ZM...it's pretty sweet.
I got a shiny drop for this and had Rewind/Destabilizing and Zen Moment/Headseeker with a Reload MW. Couldn't believe my luck.
I've been enjoying my under-over headseeker roll
For someone who can't hit a precision shot to save my life this thing is a life saver
I’m using a keep away headseeker shiny roll and loving it
The smoothest recoil in Old Russia.
How on earth are 44 people disliking this video? It's done with good and measured information, a lot of effort... I don't understand some people.
My zen moment and desperado is killing guardians on her own I literally just watch it happen also Elsie's allows me to run a shotgun which I haven't done in over 2 years
I really appreciate the wall shoot test now that every weapon has deterministic recoil. However, I’m a bit surprised you mentioned smallbore as your optimal roll since that forces a counterbalance mod to avoid the 73 recoil. 🤷♂️
Cb mod
@@CoolGuyGamesYeah, but that gets it to 88. Is that ideal? Wouldn't 98 be better with Extended Barrel?
Zen/Headseeker really does feel like cheating. Particularly with the range masterwork, chambered compensator, ricochet round roll I have.
Fluted/high cal/zen/headseeker handling MW my first drop.
got the rolls i wanted so fast XD distable + repuls and zen + kill super hyped
Cold Denial did have headseeker and zen moment beforehand, we just didn’t expect the buffs to the perks 😢
Love this gun better than the messenger.
Got my shiny GOD ROLL 💯🔥😊.
Corkscrew, fluted barrel. Ricochet, flared magwell. Zen moment, Keepaway. Kill clip, Head seeker. Stability MW
I wish I could’ve been focusing this one but I haven’t been able to get an Edge Transit god roll yet
What resilience are you running with this? Great video btw, thank you
Looks solid and worthwhile.... would have to get back on the game though