Technology, Politics, and Radical Christian Living w/ Marc Barnes
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- Опубліковано 15 лис 2021
- Me and Marc rant about technology. On UA-cam. On the Internet. You're welcome.
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I will say this:
I admit and concede the many strong points and merits of your arguments. However, and I mean this VERY literally; if it were not for the internet, smartphones, and UA-cam, all 3, existing-- I'd never have become Catholic. I'd be either Wesleyan, Lutheran, or Calvinist, given the predominant history of my Area. But not Catholic. I'd never have been exposed to ANY pro-Catholic Apologetics, period.
I found this show on my phone, and I love it. All tools can be used for the glory of God or against. Him. Let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater. Keep on going Matt and I be listening on my phone. LOL
@@ambassadorsoftheflameofmer5651 the smart phone is not a tool, as is explained in the interview
@@jacobzanardi1930 I listened on my little machine.
I think we can acknowledge the net effect of this stuff has been bad up til now. But people are learning how it’s been bad, and how it’s been good. Look, it’s not going away - full stop - so let’s learn how to use it responsibly (wise phones; covenant eyes; time management apps; a practice of deep work; etc).
@@rockanne As did I, but as Matt has often said “I think you would be better off never listening to me again, if you got rid of your smart phone”.
At no point do they argue that everything involving technology is evil. Interviews like this aim to bring about whatever good they can from technology. But that still doesn’t take away or justify the bad.
I became a Catholic in large part because of Matt Fradd. However, if the entire world were rid of smartphones (or even UA-cam for that matter), it would be a fallacy to claim that I would have never become Catholic. The Lord calls each of us, and provides all of us with alternate paths to His church. We mustn’t be so unimaginative to not be able to see that the world would be vastly better without certain technologies or technological practices.
My kids absent-mindedly hum/beatbox the intro tune to Pints with Aquinas when they are playing or sketching.
Do you randomly make up lyrics to the beginning? I've thought that Matt should ask all his guests to write their own lyrics to his theme song.
That's so epic
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Me too kids
Just wanted to point out I work construction for a living and use my tools and machines all day long to help my body complete tasks quicker and more efficient. I also use my smart phone machine to grow my brain at the same time with how to videos and theology and philosophy. It's helped me be a better catholic and understand my faith better in a way that wouldn't be possible without it. I don't have time to sit down and read often so my smart phone machine has been a game changer for my faith
Yes, I agree. Some balance to the conversation.
This is one of the most enlightening discussions I've heard. I totally agree with Marc Barnes that we can live more freely without the trappings of technology or that we use technologies as tools and not as end in themselves. I grew up in a very rural island town in Palawan, Philippines. Up to the mid-80s, we did not have electricity - we used gas lamps and pressure lamps. We have zero electrical devices and no phones. Our major source of info are magazines which my father subscribed to and a transistor radio. We also used firewood and coconut husks for cooking. I spent my teenage days there until I have to go to college in the big city. While some families own motorcycles and tricycles (being the major means of public transport), most used bicycles in moving around. I would say that lIfe back then in that island was very pleasant because people are not asking or wanting for more. Now that I'm almost 60 years old, I actually missed that life and I don't mind going back to it. By the way, that place is predominantly Christian and Catholic. I am a cradle Catholic myself.
I love how Pints with Aquinas are hours long. Such good content.
I generally shy away from long youtube videos, but I make an exception for Pints with Aquinas. Good discussion.
Yes, love the long ones. Much better than the clips/shorts. I pass those up.
Please have Marc on again. He describes such a rich and robust vision of christian living, that it easy to see the poetry in it. Could listen to him for hours more.
00:00 Intro
06:14 What is the Premise ot the Marcs Book about Technology, which is he writing?
07:36 What is Technology?
10:49 Genezis
32:22 Permanitazing the Conditions of Scarcity
01:04:28 Three Ages of Tools
01:23:31 Critique of Technology
01:31:20 How did Marc get rid of his Smartphone?
01:45:45 Is only answer to Omnipotence of technologic Tyrany of today becoming Catholic?
01:52:35 Data Lords
01:58:34 How do we change Ownership over Rent?
02:10:17 Turning Luxury into Necessity
02:18:37 How is today Technology striving for indefinite Profits?
02:25:54 Payment & Hiding Renting
02:32:47 How do we build alternative Reality?
03:00:20 Q&A Should Christians use Smartphones?
03:03:42 Calling for Christians to change the Culture
03:08:19 Should we get rid of Smartphones if it brings us Goods unoptainable elswer? Shouldn’t we build our Temperance?
This was one of the most enlightening conversations I've heard in a long time. You guys are doing wonderful work. If UA-cam can deliver genuine, long-form conversations like this, then it can still be a force for good.
I feel like our Pope is getting sucked in to politics of the LGBT thing because of America bishops. He was a person of tolerance and stayed away from that topic mostly so he tolerated the Alt society. Now bishops are opposing him or stating we should oppose gender theory. I say the Church should stay out of those matters and let people think for themselves. I believe God will sort out those details. So what if we tolerate Alt society? Are we going to change people from not expressing themselves? This is America the land of self expression! If people want to kneel, let them kneel. Half the people don't put their hand over their heart during the National Anthem, although I do. We should stop them if they are disruptive, otherwise leave others alone. We make it worse when more of us get mixed up in that. There are likely bigger more important to deal with at home and with our personal lives.
The problem with indiscriminate tolerance of "Alt" behaviors and beliefs is that they created an alternative god which leads you to the alternative of heaven which is hell.
The phone call from Matt's wife, we interrupt this interview, for LIFE. Love it!
Excellent video! If you want to detach from the worldly ways and be a radical Catholic/Christian, homeschool your children! Making the decision to homeschool my children was the best decision my husband and I ever made! When you homeschool, you take “ownership” not only of your children’s education, but of growing the family and community.
The one interview that's hard to watch till the end, cause every 5 minutes I want to turn it off and throw my computer away.
Matt, when I watch your videos, I feel less alone. Thank you for speaking truth and interviewing guest who speak the truth too.
Marc Barnes is based
Probably the most based guest Matt has brought on
11:00 "Ratzinger. Our boy."
This man speaks my language
"...and a man who walks, in a world built for cars, is treated like a demon."
As a 28 yr old man, who has only been able to own my own car with a license for the past 3 years, I can attest to my addendum.
The irony of Matt being distracted by his phone during the conversation and making a call.
"It's a confusing day and age and confusing things need to be talked about because when they're not, I feel really isolated." - Matt Fradd
Exactly how I feel about the Covid vaccines these days! I want to hear good, faithful Catholics discuss it. I really hope there will be a conversation on it on this channel.
What questions do you have about the covid vaccines?
Thanks Matt for this great podcast. Some profound insights from Marc Barnes. It was the final straw for me. I gave up my smartphone and own a Nokia dumbphone now. It is amazing how much more time I have now and how I am "forced" to actually talk to my friends instead of using messaging apps. I have been trying to use the spare time to pray the Little Office of the Blessed Virgin Mary (a Medieval Liturgy of the Hours that is still used by the Carthusians) which I can highly recommend. God bless!
The Carthusians may have the key to save us from the horrors of modernity. Have you read "The force of silence" by Cardinal Sarah?
@@mjvictoriano I agree, fantastic spirituality. I know the book, but haven't read it yet. I will plan to read it :)
I hopped in the livestream at the end, so I’m really excited to watch all the rest! This was so good! Love the guest!
So this has been probably the most captivating interview I have ever seen. Looking forward to the nuggets you will extract in the coming days and weeks.
Just about an hour in and I am absolutely energized by this interview.
This is one of my favorite interviews! Thank you for all you're doing.
Relating to the discussion on leisure vs servile work. I'm reminded of a quote attributed to JP2, when asked by a reporter what he does in his free time. "All of my time is free," he responded. We can build tree houses in a servile manner or we can build cathedrals with freedom and liberality and leisure.
Oh my gosh, a friend and I printed out those pictures of derpy lions YEARS ago and I've been looking for that blog entry since!
"We still you see hiding under there, pancake face." 🥰
This was such an amazing conversation, I feel smarter somehow after watching it. I hope you have Marc visit again! I love how charitably yet firmly he reiterated the Truth.
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Truth? About what?
Just thought, if anyone enjoyed this read ' Obelix and Co. ' it's part of the asterix series , the plot is how the Romans undermine Gaulish society by creating and artifcial 'need' in Rome for Menhirs, Gaulish standing stones. I read it nearly 50 years ago and it's message has stayed with me.
This was just amazing. Thats exactly what society needs.
Two of my favourite people in the same room. Thanks for making this happen!
Marc’s thorough, slow, and drawn out arguments are beautiful. There’s a part of me that gets impatient and just wants the quick hitting mic drops, but I think that’s Matt and Marc’s point exactly. We’re slaves to technology and instant gratification.
Beautiful but mythologically odd. Many assertions made yet contradicted by evidence once you dig deep. Most won’t since the easy road is digested so simply.
Really enjoyed this deep discussion on this topic!
What a phenomenal conversation, thanks so much for sharing it with us!
Marc Barnes has perfected the art of a close shave
This is an enthralling conversation. Bringing together lots of fragments of thought for me.
Incredible talk. Really impressed with this channel. It should be noted that the system Marc describes is modern capitalism. We can personally overcome these forces, but as our society becomes more capitalistic, it will be harder and harder and especially harder to protect our children from it.
When you started into the description of the three ages of technology, I thought I was following, and I imagined it going like this:
1st age: Tools - man uses objects to extend his powers
2nd age: Machines - man enters a relationship of activating processes he doesn't fully understand
3rd age: Smart-tech - now the relationship is reversed, and the technology is the activator (smartphones, social media, notifications), and man is the "machine" being activated (page views, ad-clicks, purchasing behavior, collection and sale of personal information, opinion shaping)
I was surprised when the line was taken in a different direction toward technology having the illusion of being a tool. Still true, but maybe less fundamental than where I took it.
I want to move to Steubenville!
I wish I could live in such a Catholic community!
One of the best talks I've ever heard!!
My favorite episode. Currently looking to move my family to walkable neighborhood. Tired of living in a place where waling to the market is a chore and dangerous.
Awesome content Matt!!!
you tube ai just delivered this to me after another pints recording, i loved this and it was just what i needed, thank you Jesus..........this guy in my far more intelligent American doppelganger...
This conversation is so profound and moving! Thank you Matt and Marc
1:31:57 comment for traction but great quote/description.
This has been the most interesting conversation I’ve ever repeatedly falling asleep to.
This is an amazing episode - foundational for Christian life today. Many people (myself included) likely feel asleep to these things but after hearing this... it is really awakening to how to live a more clear Christian life.
New follower. What an interesting talk! Thank you.
WOW I’m only 30 min in but this is SO GOOD.
Sacrifice without wanting something is not sacrificial. I love that! It is easy to forget the aim of our sacrifice is for a good in this life AND the next.
yes I love that to... so profound.
13:10 fits in perfectly with the way Jonathan Pageau describes technology as garments of skin.
I’ve listened to this at least three times. It reminds of some of the themes in Jeans-Claude larchet’s book “The New Media Epidemic”.
This is beyond excellent. I will be listening to it again
This was a beautiful conversation.
I love this. Also, Marc is totally giving off Junior High Gym Teacher vibes.
Very enlightening. Those who make the newer phones, cars, refrigerators , washers, make them to expire sooner than said objects did even 20 years ago. My old refrigerator lasted almost 30 years the newer ones are only expected to last maybe 12 years.
You guys are amazing...while there may be crummy uses of technology this is not one...to have serious conversations that are thought provoking. Good stuff
New polity - PWA conference about social ordering, money catholic education and family would be great... 🙂
The difference between the two different kinds of making is the making the elves do versus the making that sauron does with the elves.
Who doesn’t love Marc Barnes?
Marc Barnes is a leg, it's great that you finally had him on!
Marc Barnes is looking like James Joyce nowadays 😂
This guy is awesome. Incredible insights.
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One of the best , he is great at communicating.
This was hugely insightful. I don't know who this guy is but man did he have some great points
I listen to your podcasts, and don't mind doing the old ones too because you have never had a guest that was a waste of time, all of your guests are high quality and have had said something that is worth saying.
This was not only not an exception, but this is the best online conversation that I have ever heard.
Where did you get this guy Matt?
I don't think you have had him back to talk about gender, but since it has been a year I think it is time to have him back on.
This is an amazing conversation. But I could do with chapters!!
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Thanks!
He looks like the lead singer of okily dokily😆❤️they play heavy nedal. Also, this video was fantastically good.
Is this going to be in a book? Great show.
This is the best video on your UA-cam channel if not UA-cam entirely.
Just when I think I listened to the best episode another one like this just tops it.. Maybe the best podcast out there.
Wow. This is intense!
Marc is a great guy and so knowledgeable. We had a great time having him on at AWAKEN Catholic.
great discussion ... felt this way for years... I have smashed a few phones..
20 min in and it is great 🙂
How would you recommend I listen to your podcast in the car or otherwise on the go if I were to switch away from a smart phone?
This conversation is amazing. Has Marc read Marshall McLuhan? I would like to know his opinion on him. Matt should interview somebody that takes McLuhan to the table. People think McLuhan is like a prophet of technology but he's actually a very peculiar critic of technology... and a Catholic convert.
I love this conversation...i don't have a TV and computer broke.
I do have a cell, and "they" have made it almost impossible to get or afford a landline where I live.
I would love to be living in a Christian community town...
I am a senior and since COVID I have been very isolated...
Fantastic! I have so many thoughts right now and will go to God with my concerns. Thank you so much.
I love how close he is to the mic 🎤
@Pints With Aquinas ...Before switching to the Wisephone, you said that you would not take your laptop OR phone home with you. The other day (now that you have a dumbphone with no internet capability) you said that you now bring your Wisephone home. Have you found that the texting &/or calling is now a return to distraction you had previously cut off (to a lesser degree than internet & Apps are distractions, but a distraction nonetheless)?
smashed my smart phone months ago and have not regretted it once!
GREAT SHOW!
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Wow this channel is treasure
Paul warned them about this in Colossians 2:8: "Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ."
Transhumanism. Metaverse. Golden calf. History repeats itself.
We need to seek, know and live in the Divine Will of God.
Matt, have you read "The Shallows" by Nicholas Carr? He challenges the assumption that modern technology is morally neutral and also discusses how it affects the neuroplasticity of the brain.
Despite it being unpopular both in Unions and the Catholic Church, I'm a libertarian, and I LOVE the line Marc delivers at 1:39:00. "If you're going to tell me what to do, at least love me." I don't think I'll ever accept at face value that Christ and God want me to be a good, obedient little citizen of any nation or kingdom outside of the Kingdom of God, and I can accept the divine authority there if only because God loves me.
But to the question of smart technology.
I'm torn between being a luddite and loving the good that is available from such technology.
Personally, I do think I've managed to, largely, strike a balance. But I do not think this is a balance readily attained by many, if most, people.
I absolutely spend a lot of time on the internet and on social media. But I do try to direct that time to good pursuits, discussions of good things, learning things I may not learn through locality. I use GPS but I don't feel I depend on it so much as a safety net. I still maintain a personal skill of navigation and mostly use GPS to give me information about WHAT is in an area and as a digital map, not unlike how you might use a physical map. I generally can navigate without it using basic skills and common sense, I often get directions from people, and I rarely need it to get somewhere I've been. This might be because I'm old enough to have lived without GPS for more than half my life and so I developed those skills, but nevertheless, it does evidence an ability to use it in ways that don't diminish your ownership of that skill.
Maybe I'm rationalizing, I'm open to that, but I do know that, if I'm in company of others, I generally don't have my phone in hand, I actually tend to mock, in a friendly way, those around me who have their nose stuck to their phone while we're sitting together. I generally don't have it out while I'm eating or otherwise engaged. I get it out for specific purposes, as a multimedia device, not unlike a stereo, radio, and as an advanced communication device.
I think the biggest issue is the reliance, as noted several times, and in the giving up of personal skills to that reliance. I think it takes a very specific kind of person to be able to strike such a balance that they aren't the typical digital dependent and, rather, are wielding it as a tool in so far as one can.
This, of course, fails to address the issue of the ever present maker, and I do think that the lack of absolute ownership of the software, as well as the normalization of being the product, are problems that should be addressed and opposed. But I also think digital life is here to stay, barring some catastrophe leading to a global blackout. I think the real line in the sand is whether or not we abandon what is real for what is digital as they seem intent on doing with the normalization of concepts underpinning ventures such as the metaverse. I think that line is a hard line. I think once we cross the threshold from being able to use digital space as a tool(provided we have the discipline) to using it as an existence(in ways that make extricating ourselves from it all but a pipedream such as fully body immersion would undoubtedly provide), then it has crossed the boundary of being a tool that can be used strictly to good, despite how easy for it to err into evil, to a tool designed to make the good and evil inextricable from one another, at least by our own efforts. That is to say in a way that, no matter what good we might do with it, we unwittingly enable undeniable evils of one sort or another.
In conclusion, yeah, you probably should smash your smart phone if you can't, with all honesty, say that you do not depend on it. And I think that ability to not depend on it is all but lost to those raised in a world where digital access was already prevalent. I think that, in all but the most rare cases, it will only be those of us that grew up in an analog world and spent a portion of adulthood not regularly engaged with the digital who can manage this balance. I think it's because those age groups, that is 35-50, depending on their childhood, were allowed to be analog children and had the choice to adopt digital tools before they became what they are today. Whereas, if you were just coming of age, say 7 and up, as the 00's hit, you were not going to really have that choice. Before adulthood, you would be dragged into an existence that would force you to be familiar with the digital world rather than allowing you to adopt it as you see fit.
My local Bank Branch (Ireland) doesn't deal with cash anymore, inside. There is an ATM outside, and machines inside for checking balances, looking up transactions. You can't get foreign currency. Not sure what the Staff do, apart from pointing people to the machines. I had to get on a 20 minute bus ride to a different branch to change sterling to euro after a trip. Things that were meant to serve us actually make life more complicated. My Teenager just applied online for a Passport. It took 1 1/2 hrs with all the info they wanted, and glitches, I'm guessing.
I will never forget the medieval lions post for what it’s worth 🙏
smash your cell phone, buy a guitar, learn a new skill, volunteer to play music for mass. Matt Fradd would love it!
I agree with everything Marc Barnes said, however, if I get rid of my smart phone I won't be able to listen to Pints with Aquinas 🤔
Almost every 50s Ad:
Wanna be a better Wife and Mom? Then buy X!
Lion post- there’s groups that save everything that is about to be deleted from the ‘internet’s’. But I don’t remember the name of it...
And wow. Such a beautiful way to think and understand humankind in Gods plan for the world. And way to understand fear!
Utterly brilliant discussion, however: it is *extremely* easy to live without a car in many places in America-to the point where it is often much more difficult and expensive to live in these places with a car than without them.
The caveat is these places are almost exclusively places built before 1930 and managed to avoid the post-1950s car-centric bulldozer. Cities with 5000+ people/sq.mile are almost always quite liveable without a car.
That bit about no longer having character at about the 2 hr mark... wow thats really scary
Great conversation but this video really needs adding some chapters.
Looked recently to find a Mapsco map for my state only to find out they sold out in 2012. All their maps at least 10 years old if you can find one 😟
I got to play dominoes with pints with Aquinas
In South Africa: Being Jumped has a totally different meaning. :-)
Cheers
2:10:28 man i was saying this all the time for years
Good discussion. I actually worry about the amount of time I am drawn to social media - even if discussing the Word of God at times - and is it compromising my walk with Jesus in my real life? Is it more of a distraction than it is a beneficial and instrumental tool in my spiritual growth?
Edit:
Love your statement about the smartphone, "a machine that's designed to feel like a tool." Brilliant.
The Zucks of the world may hold a powerful position in our eyes, but we have to remember that in God's eyes, they are still only human. Prayer remains key in our daily life. We must hold to the power of prayer. And keep our eyes on the ball.