Loved the video, brother! Really enjoyed the collab. Here's some responses to the various questions and such: - Predator Air Rush jump cue. Keep working on your jumps! It's an essential skill if you want to level up. - I kept wanting to trust those slow rolls, but I've been burned too many times. Definitely have learned that lesson now :p That miss at 12:25 still grosses me out. - I didn't realize you had the ability to reach back through time. Such is the power of your Commentator's Curse! Now I know why all that funky stuff was happening to us. - 2-9 kick at 18:10 was super fun. I knew I could get the kick on the 2 easily enough, and that the 9 was in the path. I considered playing for a safe to just kick the 2 away and hide up-table, but I decided to send it. Got rewarded! - After that kick, the missing rack was a B&R by me. I remember because I followed that kick with another strong play, then had a dry break. - Just realized something. Watch the 9-ball move on its own at 23:00. You kidding me with these tables lmao - Missed kick at 25:10, absolutely unintentional right spin. Hit that one so bad. - Hilarious description of your time-out approach.
I had a ton of fun doing this, honestly! Hope it’s enjoyable for others 🤙🏼🤙🏼 Ugh! Lame we missed your B’n’R!! And…. Is that… NOT… how you are SUPPOSED to do the timeouts?!….. 😅😅
@@drewvonporte 9ball if a ball goes on the floor and you miss it get spotted immediately, if the ball goes on the floor and you pocketed a ball, the ball does not get spotted until it’s that balls rotation turn or you miss!
the cue doesnt matter much in jumping, just needs to be stiff and have a hard tip. Harder the tip the easier it is to jump. Once you figure out how to bridge and stroke it hard enough to get it to jump its easy. Then it is just tweaking the angle for the distance and then learning how to get shape from jumping
This is basically what I’m realizing, now that I’ve been successful >90% of the jumps ive taken… and I’m using a cheap break cue 🤷🏻♂️ a work in progress!!! Thanks for the feedback! Also, thats what she said.
Awesome, thats pretty much what my buddy told me exactly, ha. I’ve gotten decent jumping with my break, but have so little control with it. Picking one of these up is next on the priority list!
Never played APA, find it crazy that you can't push out in regular matches. I also don't love the 8 ball rule where you have to play whatever you pocket on the break.
Yeaaaaa those are the worst rules. I used to think the “you are what you make on the break” rule was just to limit disagreements in bars. Can always check the balls in the chute what was made… but I dunno… APA 9-ball in itself is virtually a completely different game than 9-ball. Not sure if you’re familiar, but each ball is worth 1 point, 9-ball is worth 2. Kind of defeats the idea of 9-ball being a runout game. THAT is more egregious than not pushing if you ask me haha… But, I still enjoy playing APA and like the night out 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte yeah, APA 9 ball is more like straight pool, but with the rotation aspect. I'm in the UK right now, but moving to NYC in a month, so I will be looking for a league. Not sure if I will go for APA or something else. In the end, I just love shooting pool, so whatever I play I am sure I will have fun. I only really play on 9 footers, so moving to bar boxes will be a change.
@@JamesPlaysPool straight pool….. wow thats a really good point, ha! I like teaching and introducing non-poolplayers to pool, which is what keeps me interested in APA. I keep saying I’m gonna join a BCA team next but it hasn’t happened.
I just started apa like a month ago, i got kicked off for being too high rated xD. But yes the rules are very different however rules change from tournament to tournament and also bar rules are different. Ive played every aspect of pool but as long as you make your run out it stops mattering for the most part
Ya know, I've watched a bunch of your videos and just noticed the table size. Is that a 7' table? It seems really small. In Mi, Fl, and Ca, where I played it was always 8' tables and Tournament 9-ball was on a 9' table. Maybe it's just the perspective but this seems like a REALLY small table.
It IS a 7 foot table, aka a “bar box”. Definitely smaller than the 9’ tables, but I don’t feel like they’re THAT uncommon! I love 8’ tables, but I haven’t seen one in forever!
@@drewvonporte There were lots of 8' tables everywhere I've played, that may have chenged though because I've not played in about 8 Yrs. I had a pretty cool 8' at my house. My wife was a big fan of dolphins, the animal not the team, and so I got a Beach Dolphin Pool Table with the legs shaped like dolphins. I ended up giving it away when we moved from Fl to Ca. That decision always haunted me. The only real differance for me between table sizes is the breakoff shot, and smaller tables can have an effect, closer pockets vs cluttered balls. I grew up on 12' snooker table, started playing for money when I was 8; notice that I said "playing for money" and not "winning money" . Best way to learn though imo , losing money is a great incentive to improve, but I digress. My sweet spot, tablewise, is 8' but it doesn't really matter.Back to the point, I haven't seen a 7' table in a very long time, maybe 10-15 Yrs although I've been on permanant hiatus for about half of that.. cheers/
Also prefer 8 over 9 ball, but probably for other reasons. When I win at 8 ball I've pocketed my share, at 9 ball on my skill level I can win with hitting a single stroke and that kinda feels not like a win. But that hopefully changes over time.
I used to feel like that about 9-ball, but I’ve kind of changed my perception of the game a little. Once you get past 5-ball in a run, the pressure is on, and you almost *have* to get out (or switch to a safety game). THAT is the game. So if someone fails at that, the loss should come! Almost as though: the game isn’t about running 9 balls, its about running the last 3 or 4. But- that’s just how I try to view it! The patters in 8-ball are more interesting to me.
Yes what he said, i don't know what billiard means, from my understanding it was a just a game other wise known as 3 cushion. But yes a carom is when you use an obect ball to change the direction of the cue ball to make another ball. As opposed to a combo which is using an object ball to make a different ball. I'm not sure what it's called when you shoot the object ball into another ball to change the direction of the object ball though. Then there's kick and bank, two totally different things, and people confuse those two all the time. Because they're pretty much the same thing.
@@mattevans1643 a “billiard” is just that. Shooting an object ball (A) into another object ball (B) and in essence, changing the path of object ball (A) to make it 💪🏼🤌🏼
@@mattevans1643 This is my understanding of the nomenclature. Carom simply means to deflect off of another ball to cause your Cue-ball to change direction. It is used both as a potting tool as well as a position creation tool in effect creating an extra 'bank'(s). Banking and kicking are similar and different. Banking is directing your chosen object ball to deflect off of a rail (s) while kicking you are not using the rail to deflect the object ball but rather you are using a rail (s) to deflect the Cue-ball. The question you had when you said "I'm not sure what it's called when you shoot the object ball into another ball to change ... that is also a carom. In esense a carom is any time that you use a ball as a deliberate object to redirect another ball, whether it is into a pocket (which would often be employed in English Pocket Billiards which is played similarly to 3-Cushion billiards except there are pockets on the table and caroming your cue-Ball into a pocket is One way to score points, 3-Cushion billiards has not pockets and points are scored Only by utilizing caroms + rails to manufacture the required 3 cushion criterion. With regard to 3-Cushion billiards I would highly encourage anyone that wants to learn cue-ball control to play 3 Cushion. The non-pocket version is much more difficult but correspondingly the very best game to learn how to control the cueball. The problem is that it is not a popular game due to it's difficulty and so it is hard to find a real, pocketless, billiard table. The pocket version is often played on a 'proper' 12' snooker table, or even an American snooker table 10'. The biggest difference there is the jaws of an American table are cut differently and are much easier to sink balls on. IF you're trying to excel at the game try and find a true snooker table or better still a pocketless billiard table. ta-ta
You’re both wrong 😂. A carom is shooting the OB off another ball, then into the pocket. A billiard is using the cue ball into an OB, then cue ball into another ball, making it into the pocket.
Get yourself a Mezz AD3 if you want a jump cue that will do it for you. Next best is the Cuetec Propel. The air rush is a good jumper but not as good as the other 2.
Masters is just a branch of APA. It’s a team where 3 people play a week and the skill cap is 19, so there’s always gonna be an amateur player on a team
Great cross over!
@0:13 I think Beyonce wrote a song about that 🤣🤣🤣
Glad you enjoyed! It was fun!
Loved the video, brother! Really enjoyed the collab.
Here's some responses to the various questions and such:
- Predator Air Rush jump cue. Keep working on your jumps! It's an essential skill if you want to level up.
- I kept wanting to trust those slow rolls, but I've been burned too many times. Definitely have learned that lesson now :p That miss at 12:25 still grosses me out.
- I didn't realize you had the ability to reach back through time. Such is the power of your Commentator's Curse! Now I know why all that funky stuff was happening to us.
- 2-9 kick at 18:10 was super fun. I knew I could get the kick on the 2 easily enough, and that the 9 was in the path. I considered playing for a safe to just kick the 2 away and hide up-table, but I decided to send it. Got rewarded!
- After that kick, the missing rack was a B&R by me. I remember because I followed that kick with another strong play, then had a dry break.
- Just realized something. Watch the 9-ball move on its own at 23:00. You kidding me with these tables lmao
- Missed kick at 25:10, absolutely unintentional right spin. Hit that one so bad.
- Hilarious description of your time-out approach.
I had a ton of fun doing this, honestly! Hope it’s enjoyable for others 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Ugh! Lame we missed your B’n’R!! And…. Is that… NOT… how you are SUPPOSED to do the timeouts?!….. 😅😅
Great stuff! Subscribed!
Awesome, thanks!! This one’s a little older, and I’m always trying to add more to content! Love to hear feedback! Cheers! 👊🏼
Nice work Gents!
Those Valley tables have corner pockets as big as 5 gallon buckets .
Lol Bob the Diamonds 💎 I play on aren’t the tightest pockets either 😬 but yeah some Valleys are absolute dumpsters!
FYI That ball that came off the table on the break of the first rack is supposed to be spotted!
Oh is that true in APA?? Good to try and remember 😅
@@drewvonporte 9ball if a ball goes on the floor and you miss it get spotted immediately, if the ball goes on the floor and you pocketed a ball, the ball does not get spotted until it’s that balls rotation turn or you miss!
@@drewvonporte 8ball the rule is a little different
@@Mbm-billiards got it!
the cue doesnt matter much in jumping, just needs to be stiff and have a hard tip. Harder the tip the easier it is to jump. Once you figure out how to bridge and stroke it hard enough to get it to jump its easy. Then it is just tweaking the angle for the distance and then learning how to get shape from jumping
This is basically what I’m realizing, now that I’ve been successful >90% of the jumps ive taken… and I’m using a cheap break cue 🤷🏻♂️ a work in progress!!!
Thanks for the feedback! Also, thats what she said.
@@drewvonporte xD
If you want CF cuetec propel is the best jumper, if you want wood and a little cheaper air rush or cuetec avid
Awesome, thats pretty much what my buddy told me exactly, ha.
I’ve gotten decent jumping with my break, but have so little control with it. Picking one of these up is next on the priority list!
Never played APA, find it crazy that you can't push out in regular matches. I also don't love the 8 ball rule where you have to play whatever you pocket on the break.
Yeaaaaa those are the worst rules. I used to think the “you are what you make on the break” rule was just to limit disagreements in bars. Can always check the balls in the chute what was made… but I dunno…
APA 9-ball in itself is virtually a completely different game than 9-ball. Not sure if you’re familiar, but each ball is worth 1 point, 9-ball is worth 2. Kind of defeats the idea of 9-ball being a runout game. THAT is more egregious than not pushing if you ask me haha… But, I still enjoy playing APA and like the night out 🤙🏼
@@drewvonporte yeah, APA 9 ball is more like straight pool, but with the rotation aspect. I'm in the UK right now, but moving to NYC in a month, so I will be looking for a league. Not sure if I will go for APA or something else. In the end, I just love shooting pool, so whatever I play I am sure I will have fun. I only really play on 9 footers, so moving to bar boxes will be a change.
@@JamesPlaysPool straight pool….. wow thats a really good point, ha!
I like teaching and introducing non-poolplayers to pool, which is what keeps me interested in APA. I keep saying I’m gonna join a BCA team next but it hasn’t happened.
I just started apa like a month ago, i got kicked off for being too high rated xD. But yes the rules are very different however rules change from tournament to tournament and also bar rules are different. Ive played every aspect of pool but as long as you make your run out it stops mattering for the most part
Looking forward to a matchup gents!
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It's a predator Air2. Kinda old by todays standards, but it's a good cue.
Nice!
Ya know, I've watched a bunch of your videos and just noticed the table size. Is that a 7' table? It seems really small. In Mi, Fl, and Ca, where I played it was always 8' tables and Tournament 9-ball was on a 9' table. Maybe it's just the perspective but this seems like a REALLY small table.
It IS a 7 foot table, aka a “bar box”.
Definitely smaller than the 9’ tables, but I don’t feel like they’re THAT uncommon! I love 8’ tables, but I haven’t seen one in forever!
@@drewvonporte There were lots of 8' tables everywhere I've played, that may have chenged though because I've not played in about 8 Yrs. I had a pretty cool 8' at my house. My wife was a big fan of dolphins, the animal not the team, and so I got a Beach Dolphin Pool Table with the legs shaped like dolphins. I ended up giving it away when we moved from Fl to Ca. That decision always haunted me. The only real differance for me between table sizes is the breakoff shot, and smaller tables can have an effect, closer pockets vs cluttered balls. I grew up on 12' snooker table, started playing for money when I was 8; notice that I said "playing for money" and not "winning money" . Best way to learn though imo , losing money is a great incentive to improve, but I digress. My sweet spot, tablewise, is 8' but it doesn't really matter.Back to the point, I haven't seen a 7' table in a very long time, maybe 10-15 Yrs although I've been on permanant hiatus for about half of that..
cheers/
Also prefer 8 over 9 ball, but probably for other reasons. When I win at 8 ball I've pocketed my share, at 9 ball on my skill level I can win with hitting a single stroke and that kinda feels not like a win. But that hopefully changes over time.
I used to feel like that about 9-ball, but I’ve kind of changed my perception of the game a little. Once you get past 5-ball in a run, the pressure is on, and you almost *have* to get out (or switch to a safety game). THAT is the game. So if someone fails at that, the loss should come! Almost as though: the game isn’t about running 9 balls, its about running the last 3 or 4.
But- that’s just how I try to view it!
The patters in 8-ball are more interesting to me.
A carom is when you use a ball to change the cueball's direction in essense making the caroming ball into an extra rail.
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Yes what he said, i don't know what billiard means, from my understanding it was a just a game other wise known as 3 cushion. But yes a carom is when you use an obect ball to change the direction of the cue ball to make another ball. As opposed to a combo which is using an object ball to make a different ball. I'm not sure what it's called when you shoot the object ball into another ball to change the direction of the object ball though. Then there's kick and bank, two totally different things, and people confuse those two all the time. Because they're pretty much the same thing.
@@mattevans1643 a “billiard” is just that. Shooting an object ball (A) into another object ball (B) and in essence, changing the path of object ball (A) to make it 💪🏼🤌🏼
@@mattevans1643 This is my understanding of the nomenclature. Carom simply means to deflect off of another ball to cause your Cue-ball to change direction. It is used both as a potting tool as well as a position creation tool in effect creating an extra 'bank'(s). Banking and kicking are similar and different. Banking is directing your chosen object ball to deflect off of a rail (s) while kicking you are not using the rail to deflect the object ball but rather you are using a rail (s) to deflect the Cue-ball. The question you had when you said "I'm not sure what it's called when you shoot the object ball into another ball to change ... that is also a carom. In esense a carom is any time that you use a ball as a deliberate object to redirect another ball, whether it is into a pocket (which would often be employed in English Pocket Billiards which is played similarly to 3-Cushion billiards except there are pockets on the table and caroming your cue-Ball into a pocket is One way to score points, 3-Cushion billiards has not pockets and points are scored Only by utilizing caroms + rails to manufacture the required 3 cushion criterion. With regard to 3-Cushion billiards I would highly encourage anyone that wants to learn cue-ball control to play 3 Cushion. The non-pocket version is much more difficult but correspondingly the very best game to learn how to control the cueball. The problem is that it is not a popular game due to it's difficulty and so it is hard to find a real, pocketless, billiard table. The pocket version is often played on a 'proper' 12' snooker table, or even an American snooker table 10'. The biggest difference there is the jaws of an American table are cut differently and are much easier to sink balls on. IF you're trying to excel at the game try and find a true snooker table or better still a pocketless billiard table. ta-ta
You’re both wrong 😂. A carom is shooting the OB off another ball, then into the pocket. A billiard is using the cue ball into an OB, then cue ball into another ball, making it into the pocket.
Get yourself a Mezz AD3 if you want a jump cue that will do it for you. Next best is the Cuetec Propel. The air rush is a good jumper but not as good as the other 2.
*MEZZ has entered the chat*
Really???… I have not heard of the Mezz’s jump being good. I still haven’t pulled the trigger on one…. 🤔
@@drewvonporte yes sir Mezz is here😂😂. The AD2 was garbage but the AD3 is amazing.
Maybe Ill check it out!
How does a master miss that 8 ball at 27:00?
Yeah, you tell em Rich!
Masters is just a branch of APA. It’s a team where 3 people play a week and the skill cap is 19, so there’s always gonna be an amateur player on a team
Love the 8 ball content. 9 ball meh. Carry on.
I will say, 8-ball is much funner to add commentary to because there is a lot more going on! Still like rotation, but 🎱 has my ❤️
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