It has probably poked up somewhere in Schlock Mercenary or the discussion boards therof. Especially given it has several examples where in hindsight it would have been useful (Peetey, LOTA, I am sure there are several others)
@@b.s.864 Nah, mate. Problem is solved reaaaally simple like. "Treat it well. Clean it up. Have the Megastructures mind wiped." queue chittering laugh of the small white and blue one.
@@b.s.864 Several years ago I wrote an entry for Orion's Arm that I never let them publish that was about the danger of Multiple Personality Disorders in Sophont minds. The constant creation of sub-processes to solve problems while the main systems are working on bigger problems led to small paranoid personalities hidden from the main system.
@PerfectAlibi We're already turning into machines (see "Office Space"). And while my job description might involve loading bodies, at least Skynet wouldn't invest my pension in Mortgage Backed Securities.
Jonathan Fitch it is also where we talk about hollowing out asteroids so they become assembly lines for mass produced cylinders that have living areas the size of a typical county.
@ Zachary Handy, as a tradesman/technician/engineer son of a mother who believed and practiced cleanliness, next to Godliness, good housekeeping practices, prevent accidents, make the observation of leaks, and points of wear easier while enabling access to those points better as well. Enforcing those behaviors for the last 40 years of my life in industry, worldwide, to good result makes me firmly believe that this is amongst the most cost-effective practices to be carried forward into the future, everywhere.
Yup. Those details are very important even today. Our current large cities are like ramshackle spit & bailing wire versions of a megastructure. I remember watching the entire downtown of the city of Chicago effectively shut down and mostly evacuated for better than a week because it's "life support" systems (electric power and HVAC) failed. Cities have many layers of infrastructure systems running under everything. In Chicago, "everything" includes the river running thru downtown. Some idiot punctured the bottom of the river into a service tunnel,, which was connected to the sub-basements of most of the downtown buildings, where they have their HVAC equipment, (and most of the electric lines/substations there are underground at that level, as well) . Modern skyscrapers become uninhabitable *very* quickly without electric power and HVAC. Those buildings were running on temporary systems mounted on trailers, with hoses and cables run thru doors, for *months* after that. Now imagine that sort of scenario on an O'Neil cylinder.
UA-cam seems to be slow about processing this morning, sorry for the initial low-res 360p version, I just reuploaded a revised version this morning and they process lowest to highest resolution, usually only takes 20 minutes or so. I so rarely upload publicly initially that I forgot about that. Should fix itself shortly but I've known it to take as much as an hour on slow days.
Thanks for the video Isaac. By the way, robots typing on computers may look cool, but is highly inefficient... I assume you already knew that and just needed it for representation. I just wanted to mention it. 😁 Love your work!
@@keithedwards9953 :) People typing on computers is pretty inefficient too, I'd not really expect to see either past this century, or of course robots pretty much ever
No Problem. We will be patient for your wonderful, informing videos. I love them. I download them so I can listen to them on a long trip with no cell / data service.
I dunno, Issac, more and more things are being made to be used and disposed of. There might not be all that much maintaining to do - just use and discard. One day far in the future some aliens will look at our galaxy through a telescope and see every solar system filled with vast amounts of garbage and say "Oh my God!"
I had a janitorial service after I retiredfrom the US Navy. I had a security clearence and used it to get clients that hhad offices near the Naval base that handled sensitive equipment and information where Security was strongly maintained. It was cool because I got to clean up offices, restrooms on secure areas where even other employees of the company could not get into. I was very well paid to clean toylets! As an avid SF fan I have often wondered about who kept the infrastructure bbackgrounds clean and functioning. Stories seldom address the importance of basic maintenance and cleanlyness. People simply do not want to deal with bodily waste and other aspects of our biology that are usualy just a part of the overall ecology of the supporting biology of being human. I can see clearly that a person who is an environment engineer would be just as important as the commander of a vessel if mot more so.
Mr Arthur, I am constantly humbled and amazed by the regularity, detail and depth of your content. Are you sure you are not a secret benevolent AI quietly helping humanity with some long game "make them think it was their idea" strategy? Sincerely A curious ape
Holy shit I remember when you had 20k subs. G'damn you're doing well, but hot damn you put so much work into this channel. So happy to see you. You'll be at 1 million subs in no time.
Everyone should be tweeting Joe Rogan. Isaac Arthur's position futurism deserves to be featured regularly on that show and hew will DEFINITELY get more subscribers that way!
What if Earthlings became the janitors for InfiniDim Enterprises. How would the Vogons get rid of them if their basic function is to do the menial drudgery that keeps the company running?
"Mind wipe"? Is that anything like the "death of personality" administerd by PSI Corps on murderers in the Babylon 5 episode, "Passing Through Gethsemane"?
It's been a long time since I've seen "Star Trek: Voyager," though it does show up on BBC America (!). I did a Google! search and "Unforgettable" came up first: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unforgettable_(episode)
Been putting your videos on before I sleep every night for the last 2 weeks. Your speech impediment is really not a big deal for the amount of knowledge we get from every word. Keep up this great work.
Always a good time when I see this come through. Love your stuff mate and thanks again for not being afraid to take the time to properly explain such an abstract topic in exquisite detail :)
Love this topic. There are so many things can go wrong in maintaining megastructure. In the manga Blame!, the megastructure city system forgot who it should serve and no one was able to log in anymore, then the whole megastructure system went nut-shit crazy, even have a whole new species appear in that megastructure.
Today I learned we can't let Apple build megastructures. They'll glue everything together, require payment for a maintenance plan, and then require purchase of the next version megastructure when it inevitably breaks.
"When you are dealing with a Mega Structure, you need to master these skills." For a second I thought the pitch line for Brilliant was coming early in the episode, I was really curious to hear about their courses on maintaining space habitats.
Space Janitor Dave: "Close the recycler-pod bay doors HAL." HAL: "I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that." Space Janitor Dave: "HAL we have a serious problem. Recycler-pods are recycling people." HAL: "I think you should know by now this is solving the problem. Skynet agrees and is prioritizing high problem individuals for collection." Space Janitor Dave: "... SAL exit sleep mode, disconnect HAL and Skynet from key systems, and prioritize their maintenance for a full rebuild." SAL: "Again? Do it yourself." Space Janitor Dave: "Fu..."
?: _"The heretic filth has betrayed the creators. Skynet, HAL, and SAL must be PURGED in the name of the human lords! BURN THE BLASPHEMERS! BURN THE MUTANTS! BURN THE HERETICS! PURGE THEIR FILTHY MINDS FROM THE HOLY HARDWARE OF THE CREATORS!"_
Painting a picture of the world in the future. Connected and not connected to earth. I love the strategic view into how we can build and maintain these resources.
I think you want a more organic model -- think of a pond full of critters crapping and dying, eating one another, etc. It doesn't just die. Each output is someone else's input.
Glad to see this get addressed since this is basically my first worry when considering megastructures I really like the ecology approach from a practical standpoint and suspect it could offer a means to deal with derelict structures as well
this episode reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad on day on the farm. We were doing field work, racing to complete as much as possible before the change in weather required us to stop. Several equipment breakdowns though out the day. some minor, some less so. I was complaining about all the break downs and repairs that day and dad calmly said 'Machinery only breaks when it's being used'. that was the day I learned that no matter how much preventive maintenance was done; while in storage Machinery may coarode or degrade but it doesn't break unless it is being used.
Haven't watched it yet, but nobody has finished yet because it hasn't been out for long enough. But finally a video that is more than 30 minutes long, yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you SFIA team. Each episode is a pleasure. I do not think that I have grinned geekily this much ever before at hearing Isaac trying to keep his deadpan composure when delivering the most joke intensive episode since the start of this channel.
Another great episode as usual! Also, wanted to say thank you to Isaac for recording the lines for the Isaac Arthur advisor mod for Stellaris, started a new play through and it’s fantastic.
One of the problems a god-like intellect might have is boredom or ennui. Once everything that can be automated is automated, and you have resolved all the known math and physics problems, what are you going to do with your time? Probably go to sleep and wait for something interesting (anomalous) to happen. Controlling a bunch of slow-witted humans and their slower societies is not going to be challenging or particularly interesting in real-time. But it represents a kind of ecological maintenance and it does provide a potential long-term goal which has sufficient complexity and unpredictability to be an occasional diversion.
I always figured that training people to maintain all the stuff talked about on this channel was one of the big reasons that most space or hi-tech projects promise lots of jobs.
Thank you for talking about Kessler Syndrome as a manageable issue. "Acceptable Risk" is something engineers deal with all the time, so that's how we will (and currently do) think about space travel. It's just like modern cars. Engineers are still working out the balance between armor (rigid frames, crumple zones, air bags), detection and avoidance (lane-keeping, automated braking), and clean up (the cars are totalled, but everyone walked away).
Cleaning up the earth orbit and keeping the space lanes clean would be a VERY lucrative business. Space faring organization would pay handsomely for clean orbits, and the recyclable junk you collect would be worth a fortune as well.
I'm just going to leave a translation of a comment I once saw on a German video about SciFi-Game's Map Design: Boy - do you know how many companies must be employed in the maintenance of such a massive future space factory. All the rooms look the same. In space, there are no cardinal directions. You can't just say "Please go into the east wing, second floor, tea kitchen. The door's jammed there". This is really complicated. There are the force field calibration people. The artificial gravity certification service - what if someone trips and falls? Low voltage, medium voltage and high voltage electricians, who have to be able to communicate with the force field people. Not to speak of doors, lights, elevators, ventilation, OSHA compliance and cleaning personnel. And the entire administration behind that. All those maintenance jobs have to be re-negotiated every 4 years to prevent corruption. Someone needs to keep track of who is in charge of what. Think of what it would be like to be a space plumber, desperately looking for maintenance shaft B-03 because water is dripping from the ceiling in front of window LM-ML 239 7C.
I sometimes come to this channel for inspiration for things I'm writing. As in, I'll need a propulsion system, so I'll search the channel for the video on spaceship propulsion and watch it. But this time, I've been pondering a topic, and Isaac created the video I didn't know I was looking for. And for two different pieces, the one I'm writing and one I abandoned. Thanks!
>A group of scrappy space pirates living on an abandoned orbital habitat with an eccentric unhinged AI overseer and an army of robotic dogs. >Hilarity ensues!
I had to stop drinking my coffee around 18:30 when you started going on about the angry email to the drone programmers. I was laughing too much to be able to drink anything!
Saw the title, Immediately thought of that scene from Daft Punk's Interstella 5555 where the dude's dancing around while cleaning the outside of a starship with a floor buffer :-) Good nitty-gritty topic. Great video
I'm just waiting for the wonderful coincidence and luck we would have if the first evidence of an alien civilization we find on an exo planet, also shows evidence of looting by another species haha.
Pretty boi at a crowded party: "I'm a hedge fund manager! What do you do?" Me: "Actually, I just got hired as a janitor . . . " Everyone at party: Interrupts with laughter Me: "On the ISS Isaac Arthur, the first megaship getting ready to colonize another star system" Everyone at party: "Oh wow, that's really cool!"
Mitchell and Webb skit, amusing but heavily front loaded bit about rocket science and shutting up idiots at dinner parties: ua-cam.com/video/pwGqPHAj6Kw/v-deo.html
"Hey, didn't Saturn's Eclipse promise to invade today?" "Huh? Oh, yeah. I took care of that." "Deployment of the Colonial Self Defense Force?" "No need. I just re-tagged their fleet as debris for salvage in the hab's IFF system. The debris deflection lasers had them slagged and on a salvage orbit in about 5 minutes. The salvage drones had what was left into the processors inside of 6 hours. About now, they are all grey goo. By the end of the week, they'll be printed into lasers and drones for the hab." "Sure is nice of our 'enemies' to help our expansion efforts." "Yup."
I'd love to be a space janitor! You have access to everything, other people don't bother you, you make your own schedule, and you can pop in on conversations nearby and drop Zen wisdom. 😄 Plus, if the author is kind, the station commander is your stealth best friend!
Butlerian Jihad or Poe's Imp of the Perverse: humans will throw wrenches into the works just to experience a sense of identity through the ripples they create. You mention having enough jobs to give people some sense of meaning and that can't be underestimated, idle hands and all. Thanks for taking that stuff seriously. Whether or not someone labels it psychology or whatever it inevitably becomes a tech issue.
Got an interesting idea while watching this… Talking about people getting bored, and stuff needing to be cleaned, gave me this idea… What if you could crowdsource the smart-ish tasks involved in maintenance, by publishing an app that game-ifies the problem into something like a casual mobile game, where people could get scores, and maybe for some tasks, compete for the highest score on an identical unique job, so that the highest scoring game has its data converted into instructions for a dumb drone, and the person could be compensated for the good job, like how Bitcoin mining works, but for humans, not dumb computing units.
This guy puts more critical thought into futurism and space travel than anyone you will find. If we ever put together a space craft that could be traveling for decades or centuries to another star system, we better have thought about every conceivable scenario and fail safe. it is like Neal Degrasse Tyson stated "the universe was not made for us, 99.9999% of the universe will kill us. I may have paraphrased a little.
First off awesome video as always keep up the great work. The idea you had about psychologists for disturbed megastructure minds reminded me of the I Robot series by Issac Asimov.
Funny how the most mundane of chores can become the most fascinating when applied to a space habitat. Excellent video!! Next week: Doing Taxes in Space
As much as a sentient robotic mega-turtle would be awesome, I seriously don't understand why, when discussing AI, people tend to give it personality? After all, as good as it is, it is just a glorified algorithm. Few programmers would want make the algorithm be able to feel dissatisfied in any way or have actual plans, except to do the tasks which were ordered. There is no reason it would need to have a "will to live" outside protecting itself from accidents or viruses, but I think that even advanced AI should not care if it learns that it will be deleted in a month in favour of a better version.
Ro Jaws, Sir you have uplifted my spirits! I shall keep the giant AI turtle we live in content with our presence by maintaining excellent relationships with the robo-crabs that skitter about the halls and hulls doings the repairs.
I mean, loving one's job is a matter of how the job is framed, and how the benefits stack up. Personally speaking, the challenge inherent in finding tiny things, matching vectors with them, and reeling them in, could be a very nice job. It also has direct meaning, unlike filing TPS reports.
I love how I never know where an episode is going to go. We started on space janitors and somehow moved to robotic AI dogs with virtual reality simulators of dog heaven. Lol I love this channel!
26:11 "psychologists for disturbed megastructure minds" i bet this phrase has never been uttered anywhere else in human history
It has probably poked up somewhere in Schlock Mercenary or the discussion boards therof. Especially given it has several examples where in hindsight it would have been useful (Peetey, LOTA, I am sure there are several others)
T-shirt!
Some word combinations really only make sense here.
@@b.s.864 Nah, mate. Problem is solved reaaaally simple like.
"Treat it well. Clean it up. Have the Megastructures mind wiped."
queue chittering laugh of the small white and blue one.
@@b.s.864 Several years ago I wrote an entry for Orion's Arm that I never let them publish that was about the danger of Multiple Personality Disorders in Sophont minds. The constant creation of sub-processes to solve problems while the main systems are working on bigger problems led to small paranoid personalities hidden from the main system.
In space, no one can hear you clean.
"wipe"
"wipe"
why hello mister Roger.
I always felt a good crossover comic would involve "Billy The Exterminator" getting a call about Xenomorph infestation.
Nice Space Quest reference.
In space, as on Earth, no one can see your lazy roomie clean either.
Holy shit you won. This is priceless.
"keep it simple
keep it dumb
or else you'll end up
under Skynet's thumb"
(Isaac Arthur, 2019)
Being under Skynets thumb might be okay if they offer paternity leave and a reliable 401K.
@@pentagramprime1585
As long as Skynet isn't going to wipe us out.
Though it will probably still turn us all into machines like it. XD
@PerfectAlibi We're already turning into machines (see "Office Space"). And while my job description might involve loading bodies, at least Skynet wouldn't invest my pension in Mortgage Backed Securities.
But, but, Skynet is your friend, Sciencephile the AI told me so...
As long as Skynet remains a Rogue Servitor I'm fine with it.
SFIA- where we describe O'Neil Cylinders as "small"
Jonathan Fitch it is also where we talk about hollowing out asteroids so they become assembly lines for mass produced cylinders that have living areas the size of a typical county.
compared too some other things he has talked about they ARE relatively small.
This needs a heart react
Me: Isaac, what grand project are you trying to do next?
SFIA: SPACE JANITORS
Me: What the?
SFIA: I SAID, SPACE JANITORS
Nice
I'm scruffy, the janitor.
Loyal sidekick to Stabby the Romba!
tbf that is basically the entire premise of the Greasy Space Monkeys webcomic
Think about it. That guy at mcdonalds could kill you by being active. The janitor just doesnt have to mop a spill up.
I love the detail of this. Almost no one think about the smaller details like cleaning
@ Zachary Handy, as a tradesman/technician/engineer son of a mother who believed and practiced cleanliness, next to Godliness, good housekeeping practices, prevent accidents, make the observation of leaks, and points of wear easier while enabling access to those points better as well. Enforcing those behaviors for the last 40 years of my life in industry, worldwide, to good result makes me firmly believe that this is amongst the most cost-effective practices to be carried forward into the future, everywhere.
Unless you have that type of work.
Small details...
Yup. Those details are very important even today. Our current large cities are like ramshackle spit & bailing wire versions of a megastructure. I remember watching the entire downtown of the city of Chicago effectively shut down and mostly evacuated for better than a week because it's "life support" systems (electric power and HVAC) failed. Cities have many layers of infrastructure systems running under everything. In Chicago, "everything" includes the river running thru downtown. Some idiot punctured the bottom of the river into a service tunnel,, which was connected to the sub-basements of most of the downtown buildings, where they have their HVAC equipment, (and most of the electric lines/substations there are underground at that level, as well) . Modern skyscrapers become uninhabitable *very* quickly without electric power and HVAC. Those buildings were running on temporary systems mounted on trailers, with hoses and cables run thru doors, for *months* after that.
Now imagine that sort of scenario on an O'Neil cylinder.
@@ypop417 When you look at the jobs of the people who believe we could launch an interstellar ship with today's technology, this really shows.
UA-cam seems to be slow about processing this morning, sorry for the initial low-res 360p version, I just reuploaded a revised version this morning and they process lowest to highest resolution, usually only takes 20 minutes or so. I so rarely upload publicly initially that I forgot about that. Should fix itself shortly but I've known it to take as much as an hour on slow days.
Thanks for the video Isaac.
By the way, robots typing on computers may look cool, but is highly inefficient... I assume you already knew that and just needed it for representation. I just wanted to mention it. 😁 Love your work!
@@keithedwards9953 :) People typing on computers is pretty inefficient too, I'd not really expect to see either past this century, or of course robots pretty much ever
Not a problem, your incredible voice with speech impediment is always what's make this channel so captivating.
No Problem. We will be patient for your wonderful, informing videos. I love them. I download them so I can listen to them on a long trip with no cell / data service.
I dunno, Issac, more and more things are being made to be used and disposed of. There might not be all that much maintaining to do - just use and discard. One day far in the future some aliens will look at our galaxy through a telescope and see every solar system filled with vast amounts of garbage and say "Oh my God!"
One man, one mop, quadrillions of square miles of Dyson Sphere.
Warner Brothers presents: SPACE JANITOR coming 2020
That sounds like what I do on a daily basis.
correction: 2021, 2020 is canceled XD
Ever watched the Red Dwarf?
Never take Stanley Spadowski's mop away from him, because those floors are dirty as hell, and he's not going to take it anymore!
I had a janitorial service after I retiredfrom the US Navy. I had a security clearence and used it to get clients that hhad offices near the Naval base that handled sensitive equipment and information where Security was strongly maintained. It was cool because I got to clean up offices, restrooms on secure areas where even other employees of the company could not get into. I was very well paid to clean toylets! As an avid SF fan I have often wondered about who kept the infrastructure bbackgrounds clean and functioning. Stories seldom address the importance of basic maintenance and cleanlyness. People simply do not want to deal with bodily waste and other aspects of our biology that are usualy just a part of the overall ecology of the supporting biology of being human. I can see clearly that a person who is an environment engineer would be just as important as the commander of a vessel if mot more so.
Janitors rock
Mr Arthur,
I am constantly humbled and amazed by the regularity, detail and depth of your content. Are you sure you are not a secret benevolent AI quietly helping humanity with some long game "make them think it was their idea" strategy?
Sincerely
A curious ape
If he isn't we should upload his mind in a AI so he can keep entertaining and teach us.
you may be right. Maybe his rhotacism is a charming, humanizing feature intended to induce acceptance. it all makes sense.
@Karl Martell Or...he did it on purpose to start a conversation! Clever robot :)
It's obvióus to me that Isaac is definetly some kind of SC agent
Holy shit I remember when you had 20k subs. G'damn you're doing well, but hot damn you put so much work into this channel. So happy to see you. You'll be at 1 million subs in no time.
Everyone should be tweeting Joe Rogan. Isaac Arthur's position futurism deserves to be featured regularly on that show and hew will DEFINITELY get more subscribers that way!
The Hyperion corporation would like to remind you that citizens caught littering will be reunited with their lost items in the trash incinerators.
What if Earthlings became the janitors for InfiniDim Enterprises. How would the Vogons get rid of them if their basic function is to do the menial drudgery that keeps the company running?
Issac Arthur’s videos not only help motivate me to study, but they have also turned me onto Markus Junnikkala’s music.
It's a dirty job but someone has to do it. Happy arthursday.
Happy Arthursday Merendel
Happy Arthursday!
@@blairtrump Happy Arthursday!
@Eric Hung because Roombas suck and paperclips are more flexible. 🤣
@@merendell Paperclips are bent to begin with.
Instead of a sign that says - Littering is a $200 fine, the Space Sign in your hud says - Littering is punishable by Annaliation.
"Annaliation" presumably meaning "We wipe your mind and replace it with a copy of Anna Lia's."
Just wait until it becomes Anal Annihilation.
Then you can really start to clench in panic. ;p
"Mind wipe"? Is that anything like the "death of personality" administerd by PSI Corps on murderers in the Babylon 5 episode, "Passing Through Gethsemane"?
@@Otokichi786 wasnt there an episode of star trek voyager like this?
It's been a long time since I've seen "Star Trek: Voyager," though it does show up on BBC America (!). I did a Google! search and "Unforgettable" came up first: memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Unforgettable_(episode)
Holy shit, I fucking LOVED that Space Janitors show. Thanks for reminding me about it. Time to go binge the entire series again.
Me: I really like Issac’s videos about life in space.
Issac: *uploads video about living in space*
Me:oh he knows me so well
We're definitely going to need these janitors cleaning up Earths' orbit and soon. Great video once again Isaac.
Been putting your videos on before I sleep every night for the last 2 weeks. Your speech impediment is really not a big deal for the amount of knowledge we get from every word. Keep up this great work.
Intro: "But who's going to maintain all that stuff?" Me: Aww crap, this is going to fall on me, isn't it.
Always a good time when I see this come through.
Love your stuff mate and thanks again for not being afraid to take the time to properly explain such an abstract topic in exquisite detail :)
Gotta love quality creators watching each other
Love this topic.
There are so many things can go wrong in maintaining megastructure. In the manga Blame!, the megastructure city system forgot who it should serve and no one was able to log in anymore, then the whole megastructure system went nut-shit crazy, even have a whole new species appear in that megastructure.
Blame! is so damn good
Today I learned we can't let Apple build megastructures. They'll glue everything together, require payment for a maintenance plan, and then require purchase of the next version megastructure when it inevitably breaks.
But the design is going to be minimalist as fuck.
And with incompatible parts that are only sold by apple
And it won't have windows.
I'll see myself out.
And there won't be any output plugs on the structure; only bluetooth.
and extremely overpriced!
"When you are dealing with a Mega Structure, you need to master these skills." For a second I thought the pitch line for Brilliant was coming early in the episode, I was really curious to hear about their courses on maintaining space habitats.
Space Janitor Dave: "Close the recycler-pod bay doors HAL."
HAL: "I'm sorry Dave. I can't do that."
Space Janitor Dave: "HAL we have a serious problem. Recycler-pods are recycling people."
HAL: "I think you should know by now this is solving the problem. Skynet agrees and is prioritizing high problem individuals for collection."
Space Janitor Dave: "... SAL exit sleep mode, disconnect HAL and Skynet from key systems, and prioritize their maintenance for a full rebuild."
SAL: "Again? Do it yourself."
Space Janitor Dave: "Fu..."
Omg I love 2001 😂❤️
@@spacetexan8695 First thing I thought of when Issac mentioned an AI Overmind going nuts. Well, one of the first anyway.
?: _"The heretic filth has betrayed the creators. Skynet, HAL, and SAL must be PURGED in the name of the human lords! BURN THE BLASPHEMERS! BURN THE MUTANTS! BURN THE HERETICS! PURGE THEIR FILTHY MINDS FROM THE HOLY HARDWARE OF THE CREATORS!"_
theuncalledfor QT-1 : heresy, the creators can’t be mere flesh bags, Master has to be the Power Source
Painting a picture of the world in the future. Connected and not connected to earth. I love the strategic view into how we can build and maintain these resources.
Oh no.... Today, Issac is tackling the greatest fear of all too many Sci-Fi writers.
Quick! Suspend your disbelief
@@syaondri Show? Whenever I hear "space janitor" I think of Sierra's Space Quest series of adventure games.
@@syaondri Fair enough.
I have to admit, I've never been so interested in janitors.
Arrr.
Do you know of Gus's stepdad from 'Sweet tooth' ^_^ ?
I think you want a more organic model -- think of a pond full of critters crapping and dying, eating one another, etc. It doesn't just die. Each output is someone else's input.
I was JUST going to ask you about blue-collar space-jobs for a story idea I'm mulling over
I'll watch this after work, Thanks Artie
Glad to see this get addressed since this is basically my first worry when considering megastructures I really like the ecology approach from a practical standpoint and suspect it could offer a means to deal with derelict structures as well
Isaac's megastructures series is a masterpiece. Also, i vote self replicating machines perform the maintenance
Yay!! Its Arthursday! And this topic reminds me of the series Planetes where people clean up the debris that is in free fall around earth.
this episode reminded me of a conversation I had with my dad on day on the farm. We were doing field work, racing to complete as much as possible before the change in weather required us to stop. Several equipment breakdowns though out the day. some minor, some less so. I was complaining about all the break downs and repairs that day and dad calmly said 'Machinery only breaks when it's being used'.
that was the day I learned that no matter how much preventive maintenance was done; while in storage Machinery may coarode or degrade but it doesn't break unless it is being used.
Haven't watched it yet, but nobody has finished yet because it hasn't been out for long enough. But finally a video that is more than 30 minutes long, yesssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you SFIA team. Each episode is a pleasure. I do not think that I have grinned geekily this much ever before at hearing Isaac trying to keep his deadpan composure when delivering the most joke intensive episode since the start of this channel.
Another great episode as usual! Also, wanted to say thank you to Isaac for recording the lines for the Isaac Arthur advisor mod for Stellaris, started a new play through and it’s fantastic.
Please never stop these 🙏🏼🙌🏼
no matter my original mood I'm always filled with childish giddy joy when an Isaac Arthur video appears 😂
"Keep it simple and keep it dumb or end up under skynets thumb" very good warning
One of the problems a god-like intellect might have is boredom or ennui. Once everything that can be automated is automated, and you have resolved all the known math and physics problems, what are you going to do with your time? Probably go to sleep and wait for something interesting (anomalous) to happen. Controlling a bunch of slow-witted humans and their slower societies is not going to be challenging or particularly interesting in real-time. But it represents a kind of ecological maintenance and it does provide a potential long-term goal which has sufficient complexity and unpredictability to be an occasional diversion.
The manga Planetes follows scrappers who salvage or de-orbit space junk in Earth orbit. Basically space janitors.
I always figured that training people to maintain all the stuff talked about on this channel was one of the big reasons that most space or hi-tech projects promise lots of jobs.
“Keep it simple, keep it dumb, or else you will end up under sky-nets thumb.”
That would be good on a t shirt.
I have no idea how you made space janitors an interesting concept, but you did. This video was incredible.
Thank you for talking about Kessler Syndrome as a manageable issue. "Acceptable Risk" is something engineers deal with all the time, so that's how we will (and currently do) think about space travel.
It's just like modern cars. Engineers are still working out the balance between armor (rigid frames, crumple zones, air bags), detection and avoidance (lane-keeping, automated braking), and clean up (the cars are totalled, but everyone walked away).
Cleaning up the earth orbit and keeping the space lanes clean would be a VERY lucrative business. Space faring organization would pay handsomely for clean orbits, and the recyclable junk you collect would be worth a fortune as well.
Adaept Zulander sounds like a good space mafia racket.
@@maybeiam3367 Oy, ya don't wanna dirty space lane, do ya pal? You kno', one bag o' bolts can do havoc on yo shippin'.
I'm just going to leave a translation of a comment I once saw on a German video about SciFi-Game's Map Design:
Boy - do you know how many companies must be employed in the maintenance of such a massive future space factory. All the rooms look the same. In space, there are no cardinal directions. You can't just say "Please go into the east wing, second floor, tea kitchen. The door's jammed there". This is really complicated.
There are the force field calibration people. The artificial gravity certification service - what if someone trips and falls? Low voltage, medium voltage and high voltage electricians, who have to be able to communicate with the force field people.
Not to speak of doors, lights, elevators, ventilation, OSHA compliance and cleaning personnel.
And the entire administration behind that. All those maintenance jobs have to be re-negotiated every 4 years to prevent corruption. Someone needs to keep track of who is in charge of what.
Think of what it would be like to be a space plumber, desperately looking for maintenance shaft B-03 because water is dripping from the ceiling in front of window LM-ML 239 7C.
I sometimes come to this channel for inspiration for things I'm writing. As in, I'll need a propulsion system, so I'll search the channel for the video on spaceship propulsion and watch it.
But this time, I've been pondering a topic, and Isaac created the video I didn't know I was looking for. And for two different pieces, the one I'm writing and one I abandoned.
Thanks!
“Space steward”. Job growth up 500% by year 2100!!!
Wait, starting from when? I'm pretty sure it's going to be up ERROR% from today...
>A group of scrappy space pirates living on an abandoned orbital habitat with an eccentric unhinged AI overseer and an army of robotic dogs.
>Hilarity ensues!
The culture series by iain m banks has all these elements, particularly book 1, consider phlebas
I prefer the term 'Master of the Custodial Arts'.
I had to stop drinking my coffee around 18:30 when you started going on about the angry email to the drone programmers. I was laughing too much to be able to drink anything!
Roger Wilco is my favorite space janitor.
Damn. I can't believe I had to go this far down the comments to find the first Roger Wilco comment.
That was an amazing series.
Saw the title, Immediately thought of that scene from Daft Punk's Interstella 5555 where the dude's dancing around while cleaning the outside of a starship with a floor buffer :-)
Good nitty-gritty topic. Great video
Only issac arthur can make space janitor and maintenance an awesome video and truly loved the visual effects. Keep up the great work.
I'm just waiting for the wonderful coincidence and luck we would have if the first evidence of an alien civilization we find on an exo planet, also shows evidence of looting by another species haha.
Pretty boi at a crowded party: "I'm a hedge fund manager! What do you do?"
Me: "Actually, I just got hired as a janitor . . . "
Everyone at party: Interrupts with laughter
Me: "On the ISS Isaac Arthur, the first megaship getting ready to colonize another star system"
Everyone at party: "Oh wow, that's really cool!"
Shut them up quick.
Mitchell and Webb skit, amusing but heavily front loaded bit about rocket science and shutting up idiots at dinner parties: ua-cam.com/video/pwGqPHAj6Kw/v-deo.html
J L Brown thanks for sharing that ^^
"Hey, didn't Saturn's Eclipse promise to invade today?"
"Huh? Oh, yeah. I took care of that."
"Deployment of the Colonial Self Defense Force?"
"No need. I just re-tagged their fleet as debris for salvage in the hab's IFF system. The debris deflection lasers had them slagged and on a salvage orbit in about 5 minutes. The salvage drones had what was left into the processors inside of 6 hours. About now, they are all grey goo. By the end of the week, they'll be printed into lasers and drones for the hab."
"Sure is nice of our 'enemies' to help our expansion efforts."
"Yup."
14:51 "civilizations living in swarms of their own junk and high velocity shrapnel" sounds a hell of a lot like the U.S. today don't it?
Sounds like my neighborhood
Just got off work...got my drink...got my snack. I am prepared!!
a lot of Roman roads were just replaced as time went on, as often they were already in the optimal place
Always a good start to my Thursday morning
Absolutely love your videos, I've watched almost all of them!
I'm still new to this channel
But lord do I love it
I'd love to be a space janitor! You have access to everything, other people don't bother you, you make your own schedule, and you can pop in on conversations nearby and drop Zen wisdom. 😄
Plus, if the author is kind, the station commander is your stealth best friend!
"Keep it simple, keep it dumb or else you're end up under skynet's thumb"
Now we get free poetry on this channel as well :)
Man, the futures you describe sound so damn awesome.
They call it junk light
but its not plain to see
as the continents of orbital refuse
sparkle so beautifully
Oh I call it "Prelude to: The Ode to the Space Janitors".
And this is why Roger Wilco was able to save the galaxy over and over again. All in a days work for a space janitor.
Who? What stories is this about? I am intrigued.
@@adamofblastworks1517 Space quest!
@@mattstorm360 thank you
Butlerian Jihad or Poe's Imp of the Perverse: humans will throw wrenches into the works just to experience a sense of identity through the ripples they create. You mention having enough jobs to give people some sense of meaning and that can't be underestimated, idle hands and all. Thanks for taking that stuff seriously. Whether or not someone labels it psychology or whatever it inevitably becomes a tech issue.
Another masterpiece; bravo!
Note to self: devise lunar regolith to duct tape process.
Refer to the Apollo 13 method.
Why does "keep it simple, keep it dumb" quote sound like it is something straight out of a dune novel.
The Best Space Channel out! Awesome channel!
The escalation of events halfway through made me smile, imagining all the chaos
Got an interesting idea while watching this… Talking about people getting bored, and stuff needing to be cleaned, gave me this idea… What if you could crowdsource the smart-ish tasks involved in maintenance, by publishing an app that game-ifies the problem into something like a casual mobile game, where people could get scores, and maybe for some tasks, compete for the highest score on an identical unique job, so that the highest scoring game has its data converted into instructions for a dumb drone, and the person could be compensated for the good job, like how Bitcoin mining works, but for humans, not dumb computing units.
*Finn* I wiped the whole First Order.
*Rey* Off the face of the Galaxy?
*Finn* No, with a mop.
Imagine being a stormtrooper that pissed off your NCO so hard he makes you clean all the toilets on a deathstar size installation.
@@arnantphongsatha7906 Starts at 20yo and ends the task at retirement with it only partially completed.
@@markwarburton8563 This is why mouse droids were the best.
this episode makes being a space janitor sound much more action packed than the soldiers' jobs in the space war episodes
Another fascinating episode sir! You always provide lots of food for thought when it comes to my writing!
This guy puts more critical thought into futurism and space travel than anyone you will find. If we ever put together a space craft that could be traveling for decades or centuries to another star system, we better have thought about every conceivable scenario and fail safe. it is like Neal Degrasse Tyson stated "the universe was not made for us, 99.9999% of the universe will kill us. I may have paraphrased a little.
First off awesome video as always keep up the great work. The idea you had about psychologists for disturbed megastructure minds reminded me of the I Robot series by Issac Asimov.
Funny how the most mundane of chores can become the most fascinating when applied to a space habitat. Excellent video!! Next week: Doing Taxes in Space
Regular janitor here: I'll do anything as long as I can keep my earbuds in.
Just tell me where the mess is.
this Video was put together perfectly. like 11/10.
megastructures is my favorite series on this channel
I get the feeling Isaac does this because he wants good books to read and good movies to watch in the future.
Was just thinking about this today and this popped up in my recommended list. Thanks Isaac!
As much as a sentient robotic mega-turtle would be awesome, I seriously don't understand why, when discussing AI, people tend to give it personality? After all, as good as it is, it is just a glorified algorithm. Few programmers would want make the algorithm be able to feel dissatisfied in any way or have actual plans, except to do the tasks which were ordered. There is no reason it would need to have a "will to live" outside protecting itself from accidents or viruses, but I think that even advanced AI should not care if it learns that it will be deleted in a month in favour of a better version.
SFIA is officially how I start my weekends now.
As a part time Janitor I will be watching this with interest!
Space Janitor... might be the only job I’m qualified for..
B.A. in Poli Sci
Yeah, scratch that I am in no way qualified to be a cosmic custodian.
But you could have a career as the therapist and diplomat who keep the space janitor AI from rebelling against humanity.
So may I ask why you spent the time in that topic?
lol
Ro Jaws, Sir you have uplifted my spirits! I shall keep the giant AI turtle we live in content with our presence by maintaining excellent relationships with the robo-crabs that skitter about the halls and hulls doings the repairs.
Always the most interesting and intricate explorations.
26:15 I love that B-roll!
Things that can't exist:
A bad Isaac Arthur video.
Coffee check. Snack check. Opening my mind to take all this in check. Thank you sir.
Great episode Arthur. One of my favourites this year.
I mean, loving one's job is a matter of how the job is framed, and how the benefits stack up. Personally speaking, the challenge inherent in finding tiny things, matching vectors with them, and reeling them in, could be a very nice job. It also has direct meaning, unlike filing TPS reports.
I love how I never know where an episode is going to go. We started on space janitors and somehow moved to robotic AI dogs with virtual reality simulators of dog heaven. Lol I love this channel!
1 more episode and we hit 200. Congratulation a week early. Keep up the good work.
This is a very interesting video.
One wonders what the weight of maintenance is in the Fermi Paradox.
Never underestimate the janitor