They are too busy with delusional "design choices" and "specs", if we keep letting them be the face of Linux desktop, they are gonna end up killing Linux. Developers should stop using GTK, or at least not locking it down to LibAdwaita, they need to stop giving GNOME clout.
Actually, GNOME isn't that bad at all. I've tried many DEs, but I always end up returning to GNOME. In my opinion, its design language is the clearest, most beautiful, and intuitive. However, we need to keep pushing them to implement the features we've been requesting for years. Look, they finally added accent color support; the next checkpoint is the system tray.
@@yaroslav7328 GNOME is pretty, the prettiest I'd say, but they have a bunch of issues (more noticeable when gaming) that will never get fixed on Wayland because of their design choices. I love minimising my game just to be greeted by a timed out later on, stop hanging my games when I minimise them! It has been an issue since FOREVER but for them it's not an issue, things like this will kill Linux. And yes, you are not supposed to minimise in GNOME, but fullscreen apps (like games) minimise on their own when you switch to another app!!! Their own decisions are clashing with how computers have worked for ages, congratulations! KDE cares about their users and usability, doing anything on KDE just works, thanks KDE devs.
Tried cosmic on my old laptop (full install). I was optimistic to begin with but considering it is an alfa, I was expecting less. It is almost good enough to run as daily. This is the first top panel I really enjoy using. Made it so it auto hides with maxed windows, and I use if for less important stuff - BT, notifications, shutdown button, workspaces and so on. It is really cool that you can move things freely between panel and the dock and can change their behavior quite liberally.
YESSS !!!! About a year I follow the development of Cosmic and it feels GREAT !! There is a possibility that Cosmic becomes my Main Operating System and I leave Windows .... Thanks for your great explanation !!
From the video, I like the look of the spotlight-esque search in cosmic. I work on a Mac, but I run Linux mint with cinnamon as my non-work main computer, so there's things I like about Windows and MacOS that I'm happy have made it into a linux desktop environment (which I use for my own programming projects and gaming)
I'm glad they do this, because I wish more people would have a chance to try tiling window managers and have their own opinion instead of just sticking to what they now (which probably is windows or mac style)
@@CineverseSculpt I would say it's like XFCE or MATE lightweight. system monitor is currently showing about 1326MB and hardly any cpu usage. at an uptime of about 3hr. Don't have any comparative numbers for what gnome usually is.
Since i like to distro hop a lot. I installed it on my thinkpad. I wasn't expecting it to be stable but it is. There are a lot of features missing but it is in alpha stage. And they already updated it couple of times.
As a Pop!_OS 22.04 user, I'm certainly excited for Cosmic to be released, but I'd be glad, if I had the option to stay with my current set-up until the software I use for my current desktop (i.e. variety and GSConnect) or feature-equivalent alternatives are available on Cosmic as well.
I loved the video, introducing this Desktop Environment. Very clear and concise. One thing that has nothing to do with the content, but the presentation. I'm not sure if this is part of the editing, but towards the last 3 minutes, every sentence had multiple high intonations, going up in tone where it should have gone down. 06:45 - You can, of course, switch the orientation of workspACES, if you prefer a horiZONTAL VIEW, adjust your resolution and reFRESH RATE. I hope this is understandable by text. It is very fatigueing and made the last part hard to get through. Again, I think the content is great and also the presentation was done well. Without the tonal changes I would have enjoyed the video quite a bit more. Looking forward to you other videos.
I am so excited for this. I use a laptop as my main computer, and I like taking it everywhere, so I don't often have a mouse. I'm hoping the tile manipulation functionality isn't wholly based on it, because using a trackpad for that doesn't sound fun.
I installed Cosmic the other day on my EndeavourOS, and it feels like a great midpoint between Hyprland and Gnome, with the kind of pros from both that I find use for. Problems include absence of hotkeys or hotkey customisation for a lot of things; having to use mouse every time I need to change keyboard layout; PgUp/PgDown, Home/End not working in file manager; tiling setting not saving between sessions/autotiling not being a thing, etc. Stuff like this is making it difficult to switch full-time - I hope they enable these things soon.
@@MichaelNROH Yeah I discovered that custom hotkey setting from your video, but am completely clueless how to create one for e.g. layout switching. Hopefully something more streamlined comes along soon. Thank you for the reply.
@@mmstick I'm sure those reports have existed for weeks, if not months, already, given how anticipated this DE is and how many people are trying it out. I did open a thread on the subreddit the other day to ask about the keyboard layout switching hotkey thing, and I think it was one of the devs who responded by telling me the hotkey is not yet included.
Cosmic probably has great timing. It will take a couple more years to be ready but given the development of Linux, so will it by then too. I’m looking forward to the state of Linux when cosmic is ready for daily use on a grand scale
The part that most interesting for all the stuff this desctop experience has is the window stalking. I don't know how good the implemention is but personally think it's very good to have this option for every app. And yes it's true that able to use multiple software and use alt tab however I think this great idea for proactivity.
Wow. Finally, a tiling window manager that supports tabs and looks easy enough to use that it won't scare most people away immediately. This is long, long overdue. I know there was a KWin tiling extension I used a number of years ago. Not sure if it's still around. It was almost good, but you couldn't tab windows, which was a dealbreaker. I learned my way around i3, and have finally got a setup I'm happy with. But I really wish I could have skipped a lot of the learning curve and troubleshooting.
@@jayarmstrong I personally consider it a critical feature. The juggling I would need to do using virtual desktops and sticky windows to replicate even my most basic layouts is just a nightmare. When I open a new window, I have it set to open up tabbed with the current window(s.) I then relocate it as I see fit, if I believe relocation is needed. This means when I create a new window, I don't need to consider what it's going to do to the rest of my layout, or if I have enough space for it. Of course I do. It doesn't take up anymore space, and doesn't change the layout. If I have a text file I'm working on using the left third of the screen, I can have a pdf viewer and web browser on the right 2/3rds, tabbed, and swap between them without losing sight of the text editor. Virtual desktops without tabs would require making the text editor a sticky window, the browser and pdf viewer would need to be non-sticky and on separate workspaces. And even then, this makes it so I can't create a workspace without the text editor. Back when I used regular floating window managers, I found window management such a pain that I would almost always just maximize everything and jump back and forth through keyboard shortcuts. My current method starts that way, but neatly and cleanly transitions to viewing multiple windows when I want to. I'm really annoyed that tiling window managers aren't really designed with this setup in mind. I use i3, which I think drastically over complicates things with multiple containers and different container layouts. When I move a window left, that means I want to tile it to the left. But that often just rearranges tabs until I'm the furthest tab to the left. I don't care about tab order, and can't figure out a way to get i3 to cleanly move window to adjacent container.
@@plentyofpaper very interesting. Appreciate the detail. I'm realizing I've layered on a few tools to make things work faster. I don't know if they'd help your workflow, esp in i3. I use window snapping, exquisite for tiling (dialed in for 3 columns on a 4k screen), ALT+mousewheel to quickly move current window between virtual desktops, and two of the built in 'app overview' extensions to quickly switch apps from the background. With 4k, I keep 3-4 windows tiled, often browsers with tabs related to current activity. I use a couple keyboard shortcuts, ALT+rightclick to resize windows, and the tiling extension keeps everything tidy. Full tiling managers like Hyperlander/sway look pretty but I wouldn't want most apps to open full screen. I also just started using CTRL SHIFT A in the browser and the equivalent shortcut in Krunner to quickly switch to an existing tab/window. Overall, I'm happy though I wouldn't mind more horizontal pixels to keep task list, music apps always visible.
My favorite DE & WM have been Plasma and Hyprland for a while now. I installed Pop_OS with Cosmic on a spare thinkpad I had laying around to see what all the hype was about and I was genuinely impressed with they have so far. I think this going to be a very happy medium for people who want to leave something like Plasma or Gnome, but too scared to jump to something like Hyprland or Q-Tile. Cosmic definitely has a place in the Linux world, I have a feeling it's going to be an important one.
I already use Pop so it’s fairly familiar to me - but I do love the entire look and feel so far and I really enjoy Sys76 approach to Linux (and giving us something new!). Well done! 😊
You can already turn a folder into a wallpaper slideshow pretty easily on kde plasma. Dont know how long that setting has been around for, but its been at least a year since thats when i started using it. So nope, cosmic isnt the first DE to do that.
the panel and the dock function the same way, in fact there are only two "panels" in the settings.. you can have 30 panels if you like by editing the config files directly. From what they said the settings app provide sensible configurations for the average user, but you can do so much more
I need to try the actual alpha now that its out. Tried to daily it on my gaming rig during pre-alpha and it was a mixed bag. Some things worked great, others not so much. One thing worth mentioning is that Cosmic supports mirroring to displays with different refresh rates (ahve one image displayed at 60 hz on one and 240 hz on another for example) which is something desktop environments on Linux really struggle with (especially Gnome). Really excited for that HDR support in maybe the beta or whenever System76 cooks it up.
I've run this on metal for a while and it worked very good for an alpha. I went back to Endeavour for personal reasons but I look forward to final release in the future.. edit: decided to install Cosmic on top of Endeavour, so far so good!
Running CachyOS August 2024 release and I installed and played around with it. It still has the Gnome feeling but with more customization to it, along with a tiling desktop feel. However, for me, my workflow doesn't really work well with tiling desktops, nor the Gnome-type workflow, so I doubt it's something I will look at in the future. But still, I love trying out new things, and with Linux, it's so easy to be able to test out things like this, unlike a certain OS from that Redmond place. 😉
As soon as they manage to get tiling as good as hyprland with modern protocol support (which would require them to re-think their as of right now moronic release model), I'll consider daily driving it.
Cinnamon has had the slide show background setting since at least cinnamon 5 with an adjustable time and folder selection! I think its currently the best DE if you dont want wayland or tiling, both gnome and kde while being better in different areas but they give me massive headaches every time i use them, they're so buggy its like living in a bugs nest! but i will give Cosmic a try on arch when it comes out, i dont wanna try a distro just for a de
I really hope minimizing an app goes into the app's icon and not in its own icon in the toolbar. 90+% of humans on earth expect their desktop to work this way. Have an option for the other way sure, but just have defaults setup for avg user
The minimized windows is an apple in the dock. You can just remove it. The icons behave the same way you expect in the popos dock or windows taskbar, one click and the window preview comes up.
But I think this shouldn't be the default behavior of the dock, I think the vast majority of people prefer the way already is in gnome dock. This new window minimize to me is more to someone used to MacOS. But at least is very easy to remove
I was looking for a dynamic tiling Wayland compositor that doesn't sacrifice on its looks. Living large in Hyprland. Now, Budgie DE does the floating WM best, but I will give Cosmic a try after beta is done.
KDE has had wallpaper slideshows forever. What I don't understand is that it looks like Cosmic could have been achieved with a KDE tiling plugin and a 'background task' plasma widget. And those might already exist. What am I missing?
cosmic seems super cool, I love i3 but I miss the simplicity of having a full desktop environment that just works... if cosmic's tiling system is improved upon more im 100% swapping over
I Like Gnome and kde and tiling Window Managers; they all lack Something, i really think cosmic could be it, unite all good things under one hat? Awesome!
Question how are the resources usages. RAM & Memory usage IS it a light environnement or a heavy one ? is it Fast or slow as hell on old computer ? Do you need a good video card accelerator to use Cosmic Desktop ?
While i admire what they try to do, as a long term Pop OS user i got tired of waiting. 2204 feels old right now (to me). 2 years is a long time, and this still is a bit rudimentary. I experimented with ubuntu minus snap, which is fine, but you need replace the snap packages. So i installed gnome on Mint22 , no snap, no flatpak needed, and all ubuntu modifications are there. Presently this will be my way to go. Hope Pop OS will be great again🤞👍
I really hoped to see a more gentle review highlighting more the encouraging side to try popos cosmic desktop while just mentioning the bugs, because this is a new venture in linux, so its still new and not mature, so more encouragement what is really needed here. I'm saying this because I know you're a nice guy and do encouraging review as well as subjective unbiased reviews. sorry for the long comment, and thank you for the review. and I use xfce btw ( in other words, I'm not linked to system76 in anyway, just a linux enthusiast, begginer).
I'm not expecting it for at least a year. Their current pace is incredible, but developing a Desktop Environment from scratch is no easy task, especially when others are progressing simultaniously
I have a 55" TV screen as my monitor, sitting on top. With KDE Plasma I have a task bar on top and on the laptop screen a panel at the bottom. Same type of panel. Cosmic at this point seems to be too much like "Gnome" with panels.
They don't venture too far from the current experience it seems. They used Gnome for a reason previously and they seem to keep its vision, just with more options
@@MichaelNROH Yeah I never liked Gnome. Was always more comfortable with KDE. Gnome sometimes too much like "Mac" by dumbing down the interface to the point where it is irritating. We are creatures of habit I guess. I like a specific way of working - classical Start button with very configurable taskbars. Especially with dual screens.
@@franklin_johnson01 I don't care about "pretty". I need to get to stuff, make stuff, have the power available. One of the reasons I hate Mac interface. Dumbed down to the point of irritation. Interface perspective from where I stand: KDE > Windows > (Gnome, Mac) But as of late Windows is sliding o the point of irritation as well.
If they keep going good with this, I could get off windows. Maybe by then, gaming support will be decent enough with all of that new steam stuff going on with arch linux.
I tried the alpha for like a week, it wasn't awful but I'll give it another year before trying it again. I noticed that system processes and cosmic-comp consistently used a lot of my CPU and RAM. It also just felt way more sluggish, and videos sometimes had popping sounds, though this is probably due to Wayland sucking. Also I'm not really the biggest fan of the design for cosmic programs. It just feels kinda minimal and bland.
It sounds like you did not install Vulkan drivers for your hardware. Make sure that you have Mesa's Vulkan drivers installed. There are people running COSMIC on very low power ARM boards like the Banana Pi Zero with nearly no CPU usage.
4:10 to 4:19..well that's cool, but CAN you put separate Documents, Pictures, Downloads, folder launchers RIGHT on the dock/panel combo ..thing? If not...no thanks.
Hey Michael, I did try cosmic on hardware, I did not like it. It is still to buggy. I could not get the clock to tell the right time. I am not going to go into a lot of things, I hope they fix these problems soon.
There is currently no official way to "upgrade" to it I'm afraid. Some figured out the steps you need to take but I wouldn't recommend it. Cosmic is still a bare-bones experience and a rollback is not that easy if something doesn't work at all
Coming from a newbie, configuring a tiling window manager like awesome or i3 with .files is a pain in the as$holes. I might switch to it if its available for ubuntu later on. Sys76 is one of the biggest contributors to FOSS and Linux, so im sure they will figure it out. Nice vidya btw
Ich hoffe sie legen Wert auf Touch Bedienung. Ich habe mittlerweile so viele Distros auf meinen 2in1 ausprobiert, keine funktioniert vernünftig. Ich nutze wieder Windows 🤦
It's quite a nice Gnome clone and it's great to have another DE option, but the GUI makes no sense to me. Too much space used in the panel/dock combo and then they don't even seem to do a lot. The menu brings up this large menu that only seems to load apps and choose categories. To be fair if I tried it I might think otherwise. I do love the pop-up launcher though. K-runner on KDE plasma is too tiny whereas the Pop one is nice and big. And Gnome doesn't have one at all OOTB.
@@Danzek. I think Mint(especially Cinnamon) will struggle with only 2gb, for a smoother and still functional machine I would suggest Lubuntu or Linux Lite
i completely understand the advantage of having multiple choices for users, but when the product looks like something that already has been around for years, offering almost nothing new and solving nearly zero problems then whats the point?! i feel like their team could be better off just working on something like KDE to make it more robust and all together better. but again here is ANOTHER low effort de called cosmic!
cool havent seen new de in a while its cool to see i like it but i am a hyprland person but if i buy a sys 76 laptop i wloud defenetly use its its uniqe
Cosmic has the potential to be everything gnome should've been. I'm very excited for the future.
It's gonna be a while though. I wonder how fast they can catch-up or eventually surpass it
"should've" lmao
It seems pretty polished for an alpha release. It definitely has potential!
It's rock solid in Window Management, so the core is pretty great yeah
How to switch language?What is the key combination?Pop os 24 cosmic alpha
If only the gnome team wasn't so stubborn about petty things
They are too busy with delusional "design choices" and "specs", if we keep letting them be the face of Linux desktop, they are gonna end up killing Linux.
Developers should stop using GTK, or at least not locking it down to LibAdwaita, they need to stop giving GNOME clout.
Now i have to either find GNOME extensions to replicate this behavior or sacrifice all my extensions that I have come to love
Actually, GNOME isn't that bad at all. I've tried many DEs, but I always end up returning to GNOME. In my opinion, its design language is the clearest, most beautiful, and intuitive. However, we need to keep pushing them to implement the features we've been requesting for years. Look, they finally added accent color support; the next checkpoint is the system tray.
@@yaroslav7328 GNOME is pretty, the prettiest I'd say, but they have a bunch of issues (more noticeable when gaming) that will never get fixed on Wayland because of their design choices.
I love minimising my game just to be greeted by a timed out later on, stop hanging my games when I minimise them!
It has been an issue since FOREVER but for them it's not an issue, things like this will kill Linux.
And yes, you are not supposed to minimise in GNOME, but fullscreen apps (like games) minimise on their own when you switch to another app!!! Their own decisions are clashing with how computers have worked for ages, congratulations!
KDE cares about their users and usability, doing anything on KDE just works, thanks KDE devs.
@@yaroslav7328They implemented the system tray as an extension 🤷♂️
Cosmic is looking amazing, I cannot wait for the final product.
can't wait Cosmic have all the features later. Maybe I could consider to use it then.
Tried cosmic on my old laptop (full install). I was optimistic to begin with but considering it is an alfa, I was expecting less. It is almost good enough to run as daily.
This is the first top panel I really enjoy using. Made it so it auto hides with maxed windows, and I use if for less important stuff - BT, notifications, shutdown button, workspaces and so on. It is really cool that you can move things freely between panel and the dock and can change their behavior quite liberally.
"I love your videos! You are exploring new distros, which really helps me see if a distro is good or not. Thanks, bro!
YESSS !!!!
About a year I follow the development of Cosmic and it feels GREAT !!
There is a possibility that Cosmic becomes my Main Operating System and I leave Windows ....
Thanks for your great explanation !!
Which distro do you use? Pop!_OS or another one?
@@andrabtedja I tried different Linux OS-es. My main system is a tuned Windows 11 24H2
I am a popOS user and I am excited to see this. You had me at slideshow desktop wallpaper
There's also a system service that enables theming to be dynamically generated and applied based on the active wallpaper.
From the video, I like the look of the spotlight-esque search in cosmic. I work on a Mac, but I run Linux mint with cinnamon as my non-work main computer, so there's things I like about Windows and MacOS that I'm happy have made it into a linux desktop environment (which I use for my own programming projects and gaming)
The tiling looks great too!
Apple 🤢🤢🤢🤮🤮
I'm glad they do this, because I wish more people would have a chance to try tiling window managers and have their own opinion instead of just sticking to what they now (which probably is windows or mac style)
Im pretty hyped for cosmic, it has huge potential
Running COSMIC right now, on this computer
Are the animations bad?
@@TheRogueRenegades I would say their basically non existent. Granted it makes everything feel snappy
@@NFvidoJagg2 is it lightweight?
@@CineverseSculpt I would say it's like XFCE or MATE lightweight. system monitor is currently showing about 1326MB and hardly any cpu usage. at an uptime of about 3hr. Don't have any comparative numbers for what gnome usually is.
Great! But I’ll wait for the full version
Since i like to distro hop a lot. I installed it on my thinkpad. I wasn't expecting it to be stable but it is. There are a lot of features missing but it is in alpha stage. And they already updated it couple of times.
As a Pop!_OS 22.04 user, I'm certainly excited for Cosmic to be released, but I'd be glad, if I had the option to stay with my current set-up until the software I use for my current desktop (i.e. variety and GSConnect) or feature-equivalent alternatives are available on Cosmic as well.
22.04 will be supported until 2027, but you should create GitHub issues for the things you care about to ensure that it's being tracked.
I like where they are heading. Hopefully Cosmic will replace Gnome for me.
I installed it on a laptop I have to help them test. I just wish they had a section in the settings to report bugs/broken features.
there are the github issues, but i am not sure if it is ready to contribute
It's set up just like I have KDE set up! I might switch once they get the kinks ironed out.
Really excited for a stable or Beta built, coz as expected Alpha release was very broken for me 😅
I loved the video, introducing this Desktop Environment. Very clear and concise.
One thing that has nothing to do with the content, but the presentation.
I'm not sure if this is part of the editing, but towards the last 3 minutes, every sentence had multiple high intonations, going up in tone where it should have gone down.
06:45 - You can, of course, switch the orientation of workspACES, if you prefer a horiZONTAL VIEW, adjust your resolution and reFRESH RATE.
I hope this is understandable by text. It is very fatigueing and made the last part hard to get through.
Again, I think the content is great and also the presentation was done well.
Without the tonal changes I would have enjoyed the video quite a bit more.
Looking forward to you other videos.
3:21 KDE : "Are you sure about that?"
I am so excited for this. I use a laptop as my main computer, and I like taking it everywhere, so I don't often have a mouse. I'm hoping the tile manipulation functionality isn't wholly based on it, because using a trackpad for that doesn't sound fun.
My hope is that they do NOT pass up on accessibility. To date, KDE is the only desktop with a fullscreen magnifier with the options I want.
I installed Cosmic the other day on my EndeavourOS, and it feels like a great midpoint between Hyprland and Gnome, with the kind of pros from both that I find use for. Problems include absence of hotkeys or hotkey customisation for a lot of things; having to use mouse every time I need to change keyboard layout; PgUp/PgDown, Home/End not working in file manager; tiling setting not saving between sessions/autotiling not being a thing, etc. Stuff like this is making it difficult to switch full-time - I hope they enable these things soon.
I think you can implement all hotkeys if you find the window management configs, but it's a lot of work.
They will surely improve this for the Beta
@@MichaelNROH Yeah I discovered that custom hotkey setting from your video, but am completely clueless how to create one for e.g. layout switching. Hopefully something more streamlined comes along soon. Thank you for the reply.
It would be helpful to report issues for the specific things you find lacking. Which will make it easier to push PRs to fix those specific issues.
@@mmstick I'm sure those reports have existed for weeks, if not months, already, given how anticipated this DE is and how many people are trying it out. I did open a thread on the subreddit the other day to ask about the keyboard layout switching hotkey thing, and I think it was one of the devs who responded by telling me the hotkey is not yet included.
@@SvalbardSleeperDistrict You might be surprised. People aren't often reporting issues they encounter.
i use it on my thinkpads and it works well for my purpose.
Cosmic probably has great timing. It will take a couple more years to be ready but given the development of Linux, so will it by then too. I’m looking forward to the state of Linux when cosmic is ready for daily use on a grand scale
The part that most interesting for all the stuff this desctop experience has is the window stalking.
I don't know how good the implemention is but personally think it's very good to have this option for every app.
And yes it's true that able to use multiple software and use alt tab however I think this great idea for proactivity.
Wow.
Finally, a tiling window manager that supports tabs and looks easy enough to use that it won't scare most people away immediately.
This is long, long overdue.
I know there was a KWin tiling extension I used a number of years ago. Not sure if it's still around. It was almost good, but you couldn't tab windows, which was a dealbreaker.
I learned my way around i3, and have finally got a setup I'm happy with. But I really wish I could have skipped a lot of the learning curve and troubleshooting.
There are at least two excellent tiling extensions. I hadn't thought of tabbing windows as I just use multiple virtual desktops. How helpful is it?
@@jayarmstrong I personally consider it a critical feature. The juggling I would need to do using virtual desktops and sticky windows to replicate even my most basic layouts is just a nightmare.
When I open a new window, I have it set to open up tabbed with the current window(s.) I then relocate it as I see fit, if I believe relocation is needed.
This means when I create a new window, I don't need to consider what it's going to do to the rest of my layout, or if I have enough space for it. Of course I do. It doesn't take up anymore space, and doesn't change the layout.
If I have a text file I'm working on using the left third of the screen, I can have a pdf viewer and web browser on the right 2/3rds, tabbed, and swap between them without losing sight of the text editor. Virtual desktops without tabs would require making the text editor a sticky window, the browser and pdf viewer would need to be non-sticky and on separate workspaces. And even then, this makes it so I can't create a workspace without the text editor.
Back when I used regular floating window managers, I found window management such a pain that I would almost always just maximize everything and jump back and forth through keyboard shortcuts. My current method starts that way, but neatly and cleanly transitions to viewing multiple windows when I want to.
I'm really annoyed that tiling window managers aren't really designed with this setup in mind. I use i3, which I think drastically over complicates things with multiple containers and different container layouts. When I move a window left, that means I want to tile it to the left. But that often just rearranges tabs until I'm the furthest tab to the left. I don't care about tab order, and can't figure out a way to get i3 to cleanly move window to adjacent container.
@@plentyofpaper very interesting. Appreciate the detail. I'm realizing I've layered on a few tools to make things work faster. I don't know if they'd help your workflow, esp in i3.
I use window snapping, exquisite for tiling (dialed in for 3 columns on a 4k screen), ALT+mousewheel to quickly move current window between virtual desktops, and two of the built in 'app overview' extensions to quickly switch apps from the background. With 4k, I keep 3-4 windows tiled, often browsers with tabs related to current activity. I use a couple keyboard shortcuts, ALT+rightclick to resize windows, and the tiling extension keeps everything tidy. Full tiling managers like Hyperlander/sway look pretty but I wouldn't want most apps to open full screen.
I also just started using CTRL SHIFT A in the browser and the equivalent shortcut in Krunner to quickly switch to an existing tab/window. Overall, I'm happy though I wouldn't mind more horizontal pixels to keep task list, music apps always visible.
My favorite DE & WM have been Plasma and Hyprland for a while now. I installed Pop_OS with Cosmic on a spare thinkpad I had laying around to see what all the hype was about and I was genuinely impressed with they have so far. I think this going to be a very happy medium for people who want to leave something like Plasma or Gnome, but too scared to jump to something like Hyprland or Q-Tile. Cosmic definitely has a place in the Linux world, I have a feeling it's going to be an important one.
Snappy, structured, stable.
Rust is the future but I wish Cosmic is based on Cinnamon's infra, with customization and design like KDE
I think Cosmic is a new step for linux
It is
The needed step away from Gnome
I already use Pop so it’s fairly familiar to me - but I do love the entire look and feel so far and I really enjoy Sys76 approach to Linux (and giving us something new!). Well done! 😊
You can already turn a folder into a wallpaper slideshow pretty easily on kde plasma. Dont know how long that setting has been around for, but its been at least a year since thats when i started using it. So nope, cosmic isnt the first DE to do that.
All I want is a text suggestions option. Like on Windows, Android, and IOS
I tried the alpha and really like what I saw but I'll be waiting for the full release before switching.
Ohhhh...ok, cosmic is looking awesome
It's fantastic.
the panel and the dock function the same way, in fact there are only two "panels" in the settings.. you can have 30 panels if you like by editing the config files directly. From what they said the settings app provide sensible configurations for the average user, but you can do so much more
Bro got that corn dog plant growing behind 🌽 🐕 🔥
I need to try the actual alpha now that its out. Tried to daily it on my gaming rig during pre-alpha and it was a mixed bag. Some things worked great, others not so much. One thing worth mentioning is that Cosmic supports mirroring to displays with different refresh rates (ahve one image displayed at 60 hz on one and 240 hz on another for example) which is something desktop environments on Linux really struggle with (especially Gnome). Really excited for that HDR support in maybe the beta or whenever System76 cooks it up.
I installed the alpha on my desktop (want to see if I can come with some feedback to aid the developers). Works pretty well for an alpha.
I've run this on metal for a while and it worked very good for an alpha. I went back to Endeavour for personal reasons but I look forward to final release in the future..
edit: decided to install Cosmic on top of Endeavour, so far so good!
I hope other distros will use Cosmic as well!
It is using too like fedora and arch btw
This looks great, but I think I'll look it up again in another year or so.
Running CachyOS August 2024 release and I installed and played around with it. It still has the Gnome feeling but with more customization to it, along with a tiling desktop feel. However, for me, my workflow doesn't really work well with tiling desktops, nor the Gnome-type workflow, so I doubt it's something I will look at in the future. But still, I love trying out new things, and with Linux, it's so easy to be able to test out things like this, unlike a certain OS from that Redmond place. 😉
As soon as they manage to get tiling as good as hyprland with modern protocol support (which would require them to re-think their as of right now moronic release model), I'll consider daily driving it.
Cinnamon has had the slide show background setting since at least cinnamon 5 with an adjustable time and folder selection! I think its currently the best DE if you dont want wayland or tiling, both gnome and kde while being better in different areas but they give me massive headaches every time i use them, they're so buggy its like living in a bugs nest! but i will give Cosmic a try on arch when it comes out, i dont wanna try a distro just for a de
I love GNOME but I'm definitely gonna give Pop_OS a shot when Cosmic is in the production release.
😃😦😩😮😲😳🫨😬😱
Cosmic DE has potential, but I would wait a couple of years till it becomes mainstream to use it
Cosmic might do it 👏
I really hope minimizing an app goes into the app's icon and not in its own icon in the toolbar. 90+% of humans on earth expect their desktop to work this way. Have an option for the other way sure, but just have defaults setup for avg user
It probably will. It's something that also benefits visuals
The minimized windows is an apple in the dock. You can just remove it. The icons behave the same way you expect in the popos dock or windows taskbar, one click and the window preview comes up.
But I think this shouldn't be the default behavior of the dock, I think the vast majority of people prefer the way already is in gnome dock. This new window minimize to me is more to someone used to MacOS. But at least is very easy to remove
I love watching people review Alpha software and complain about missing or breaking features. Like cmon man... Great video never the less :D
I was looking for a dynamic tiling Wayland compositor that doesn't sacrifice on its looks. Living large in Hyprland. Now, Budgie DE does the floating WM best, but I will give Cosmic a try after beta is done.
Wallpaper slideshow has been available on Linux Mint for years.
KDE has had wallpaper slideshows forever. What I don't understand is that it looks like Cosmic could have been achieved with a KDE tiling plugin and a 'background task' plasma widget. And those might already exist. What am I missing?
i am trying right now :) on my dualboot lapotop with win11 + fedora 41 btw
It's already the best desktop environment I've ever used, and it's an alpha!
cosmic seems super cool, I love i3 but I miss the simplicity of having a full desktop environment that just works... if cosmic's tiling system is improved upon more im 100% swapping over
I use Xfce DE with i3 as its window manager. It works nice.
I'm interested in trying Cosmic if it comes to Fedora.
As far as i know, it is on Fedora already.
It is available, but not officially
I Like Gnome and kde and tiling Window Managers; they all lack Something, i really think cosmic could be it, unite all good things under one hat? Awesome!
GNOME made it right. I still don't like the MacOs-like look and feel, but it's certainly better than GNOME because you can tweak it.
How many different front ends does linux need?
yes.
next question
Question how are the resources usages. RAM & Memory usage IS it a light environnement or a heavy one ? is it Fast or slow as hell on old computer ? Do you need a good video card accelerator to use Cosmic Desktop ?
Cosmic doesn't really have anything fancy yet, so it's pretty lightweight. It definitely will get a lot heavier though
9:20 w reference
How much memory does it use?
Is it possible to combine the top panel and the dock at the bottom to save space?
Yes. You can use just one panel with all the options
While i admire what they try to do, as a long term Pop OS user i got tired of waiting. 2204 feels old right now (to me). 2 years is a long time, and this still is a bit rudimentary. I experimented with ubuntu minus snap, which is fine, but you need replace the snap packages. So i installed gnome on Mint22 , no snap, no flatpak needed, and all ubuntu modifications are there. Presently this will be my way to go. Hope Pop OS will be great again🤞👍
4:49 wait a sec. Wasn’t the lack of custom themes in gtk4 the reason they split with gnome and made their own thing in the first place?
I really hoped to see a more gentle review highlighting more the encouraging side to try popos cosmic desktop while just mentioning the bugs, because this is a new venture in linux, so its still new and not mature, so more encouragement what is really needed here. I'm saying this because I know you're a nice guy and do encouraging review as well as subjective unbiased reviews.
sorry for the long comment, and thank you for the review. and I use xfce btw ( in other words, I'm not linked to system76 in anyway, just a linux enthusiast, begginer).
You have an old version, active windows get highlighted
Und here we go lads.
When Mint has a wayland beta Ima try it
The video suffers from zoom-glitching. If that's intentional, you should know it's very distracting.
Linux suck badly in productivity ! Hands down!
Windows FOREVER !
I REALLY hope system 76 see this
when is the final release or stable release?
I'm not expecting it for at least a year. Their current pace is incredible, but developing a Desktop Environment from scratch is no easy task, especially when others are progressing simultaniously
@@MichaelNROH So which should i use in the meanwhile? whats your view on Vanilla OS 2?
I have a 55" TV screen as my monitor, sitting on top.
With KDE Plasma I have a task bar on top and on the laptop screen a panel at the bottom. Same type of panel. Cosmic at this point seems to be too much like "Gnome" with panels.
They don't venture too far from the current experience it seems. They used Gnome for a reason previously and they seem to keep its vision, just with more options
@@MichaelNROH Yeah I never liked Gnome. Was always more comfortable with KDE. Gnome sometimes too much like "Mac" by dumbing down the interface to the point where it is irritating.
We are creatures of habit I guess. I like a specific way of working - classical Start button with very configurable taskbars. Especially with dual screens.
@@isrbillmeyer gnome is prettier than kde
@@franklin_johnson01 I don't care about "pretty".
I need to get to stuff, make stuff, have the power available. One of the reasons I hate Mac interface. Dumbed down to the point of irritation.
Interface perspective from where I stand:
KDE > Windows > (Gnome, Mac)
But as of late Windows is sliding o the point of irritation as well.
cattails are such an odd choice of houseplant,,, invoking the aesthetic of having a river just out of frame, in your house..
If they keep going good with this, I could get off windows. Maybe by then, gaming support will be decent enough with all of that new steam stuff going on with arch linux.
Most programs are designed to work well on full screen. So tilling is not for me. At least you can take that panel away from the top.
you can make an app in full screen fyi
It is still really easy to move apps between displays and workspaces using super+shift+arrows
Can't you use a custom GTK themer app to add a custom theme?
I tried the alpha for like a week, it wasn't awful but I'll give it another year before trying it again. I noticed that system processes and cosmic-comp consistently used a lot of my CPU and RAM. It also just felt way more sluggish, and videos sometimes had popping sounds, though this is probably due to Wayland sucking.
Also I'm not really the biggest fan of the design for cosmic programs. It just feels kinda minimal and bland.
It sounds like you did not install Vulkan drivers for your hardware. Make sure that you have Mesa's Vulkan drivers installed. There are people running COSMIC on very low power ARM boards like the Banana Pi Zero with nearly no CPU usage.
4:10 to 4:19..well that's cool, but CAN you put separate Documents, Pictures, Downloads, folder launchers RIGHT on the dock/panel combo ..thing? If not...no thanks.
Hey Michael, I did try cosmic on hardware, I did not like it. It is still to buggy. I could not get the clock to tell the right time. I am not going to go into a lot of things, I hope they fix these problems soon.
1 panel > 2 panels
yeah that what i jus6 change o my de
The fact that gnome has no changing keyboard button in the top right bar is a lie. I used Ubuntu 24.04 and it had it
Ubuntu doesn't use native Gnome
@@MichaelNROH ok didn't know that
@@MichaelNROH by the way I don't take time to check what I am using as long as it is working for me and doing what I want
If you installed POP_OS can you install the cosmic desktop ?
There is currently no official way to "upgrade" to it I'm afraid. Some figured out the steps you need to take but I wouldn't recommend it.
Cosmic is still a bare-bones experience and a rollback is not that easy if something doesn't work at all
Coming from a newbie, configuring a tiling window manager like awesome or i3 with .files is a pain in the as$holes. I might switch to it if its available for ubuntu later on. Sys76 is one of the biggest contributors to FOSS and Linux, so im sure they will figure it out.
Nice vidya btw
For an alpha I am really impressed I can see this one is going to be my favorite
Does it having something like the activities feature in KDE? (Not virtual desktops)
Kind of?
I think Plasma is the only DE that seperates this from the Overview tbh
Ich hoffe sie legen Wert auf Touch Bedienung.
Ich habe mittlerweile so viele Distros auf meinen 2in1 ausprobiert, keine funktioniert vernünftig. Ich nutze wieder Windows 🤦
It's quite a nice Gnome clone and it's great to have another DE option, but the GUI makes no sense to me. Too much space used in the panel/dock combo and then they don't even seem to do a lot. The menu brings up this large menu that only seems to load apps and choose categories. To be fair if I tried it I might think otherwise. I do love the pop-up launcher though. K-runner on KDE plasma is too tiny whereas the Pop one is nice and big. And Gnome doesn't have one at all OOTB.
does Blender works in Cosmic?
This is like beta quality but it's an alpha
A Beta is basically testing a release version, while an Alpha is more like proof of concept really. It's still miles from a Beta release
It's an alpha because it's not feature-complete. But the quality is surprisingly good indeed!
@@MichaelNROH Let's call it incomplete, not proof of concept. A POC is something to learn from and then throw away in my understanding.
My question is, why this and not Plasma?
I was thinking about switching to mint,i have 2gb ram and 60gb hard drive space,do i am asking if im gonna have problems
@@Danzek.
I think Mint(especially Cinnamon) will struggle with only 2gb, for a smoother and still functional machine I would suggest Lubuntu or Linux Lite
i completely understand the advantage of having multiple choices for users, but when the product looks like something that already has been around for years, offering almost nothing new and solving nearly zero problems then whats the point?! i feel like their team could be better off just working on something like KDE to make it more robust and all together better. but again here is ANOTHER low effort de called cosmic!
cool havent seen new de in a while its cool to see i like it but i am a hyprland person but if i buy a sys 76 laptop i wloud defenetly use its its uniqe
I just hope Cosmic will push Gnome to be innovative and future proof.
But we have enough DEs with customisation. I don't need that in Gnome.