Hasan Brings H3H3 To Tears Over Israel/Palestine Solution Debate
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- Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
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Papa Gut brings Boogie2988 to tears when discussing their trauma bond
Exemplary idea my friend
It’s so gross and sad when Hissman lets Ethan know that “this position is gonna get u in so much trouble”. What he really means is I’ve cultivated an audience that will come at ur head and entire family if you even think of disagreeing with this sentiment. Basically it’s a veiled threat exactly like you should expect from someone of his political ilk.
I think it's hamasan now?
It means “my audience will come after you”, it also means, “you know how hard the audience you cultivated goes after people they think are bad”.
At this point I’m legit convinced Hasan is just a robot. I’ve never seen Hasan show an ounce of empathy to his so called “friend” of his,I’ve never seen Hasan show empathy for anyone in any context despite how much he claims he loves to “educate people from a place of understanding and empathy”,I’ve never seen him engage with any topic and show any genuine emotions (negative or positive) when covering it,I’ve seen him consistently lie over the years about stuff that’s so unbelievably easy to prove wrong without a care in the world as if he truly believes every lie he says,I’ve never seen him give a genuine take of his rather than just repeating whatever’s considered a typical “leftist” or “socialist” take at the moment,and I’ve literally never seen anything that suggests he genuinely cares about anyone other than himself. He has to be a robot built by conservatives to make the left look as bad as possible. That’s the only explanation for his behavior at this point
he might just be autistic
Him crying on stream was soooo fake lol
He’s unable to divert from any point he deems as the best/his, when confronted he twists the conversation to a avoid it, he won’t concede on any point he fights for, instead of discussion he fights and bends to try to prove hes right.
@thebracc1835 yea and the echo chamber meme about no free clout (no anti me) makes it impossible to ever change.
@@ThePlotToBlowUpTheEiffelTower I don't watch much of him, so I've never really seen his normal range of emotion, but watching him cry after Ethan cried really did feel so fake. It was very uncomfortable to watch.
I usually put your videos on to listen as I fall asleep, but I couldn’t stop laughing every time you called Hasan stupid. Now I’m sitting here at 4 am. Thanks Papa Gut.
I thought I was the only one😭 he’s voice is very soothing but when he cracks a joke I just start laughing😭
Papas laugh is very infectious Lmao
Literally leftovers gets over 30K live viewers and they don't have the moderation issues that Hassan has.
yup cuz hasan is like a pregnant chicken, hes incubating those folk, he is them and thats why he defends them so passionatley...they like his mind babies to push his ideals unto the world.
im not defending hasan really but, he gets a lot more than 30k concurrent and also the h3 community is highly highly censored and stuff, theyve conditioned people into hidng their true beliefs to not get banned
@@man.itz.ashton What? LOL Hasan bans anyone who disagrees with him even mildly. He has plenty of time to moderate and scream at people who bother him.
How can his chat be moderated when his moderators are psychos like Frogan
@@man.itz.ashton They heavily censored *in favor* of Hasan. They made it members only and tried to filter out the Hasan haters in the audience. The average viewership for a regular ep is like 40-50k (now closer to 40k after the falling out), and the moderation basically made it so that people just quit watching leftovers and watch the regular show. Which I think is pretty healthy, otherwise it's just hate watching for Hasan and ruining the chat. I actually like watching Hasan I think he's funny, it's just whenever he's in a debate or covering Palestine or Taiwan or a lot of hot button issues for Tankies, I can't stand watching him. He just morphs into a goblin
As a Jewish Israeli "leftist", and a peace activist my entire life, with many close Arab friends and a long fascination and involvement in the political aspects of it all, I can only say that Hassan is rather ignorant on the matter (not entirely though, but mostly. And dangerously so). Not that Ethan is completely informed (though, little are, as it truly is a complicated and vastly long story, spanning close to 200 years; the short version of it, mind you - definitely not only since 1948), but he is definitely much more realpolitik about the situation. There are inaccuracies thrown around casually and carelessly here by both of them, but that's the state of discourse nowadays anyway.
P.s., Papa, if you ever wish to have a conversation with someone like myself (Israeli leftist who sees both sides, hopefully) on stream, or off, I'd be more than happy to share my knowledge, as I feel I can provide added and nuanced insights that one should need to get from people who actually live in Israel/Palestine. I did previously dm you on ig, but i have no idea if you actually read these.
Peace, Salaam, Shalom.
What are the inaccuracies thrown around by Ethan
I'm assuming what you think Ethan got wrong was Israeli's general sentiments about certain slogans and thoughts about taking down the wall and that they'll "never let it happen". Is this true? Do a majority (as in 50% or more) not believe those things? Genuinely curious, I don't know. I think it said in an Israeli poll it was something like 83% supported the bombings or something crazy. Please correct me if I'm wrong
@@xygenzyHey. So I can give a few examples. One may consider them major or minor, or even not inaccuracies at all but a matter of opinion/framing... But still, since you asked:
1. It is inaccurate to claim that no Israeli will concede to the idea of a "one-state" solution. There are, in fact, many who do support it. Some on the left, but mostly on the right. This does not mean a single state in which Israelis and Palestinians are completely equal, mind you. It's a complex issue within itself, which I will not go into further, but there is plenty you can read about it.
2. The use of the word apartheid in this debate (by both). I definitely understand where it comes from, but the situation in Israel is different from South Africa apartheid. In reality, the "apartheid" (i.e., different law systems for Jews/Arabs) situation in Israel is predominantly in the West Bank, which is... Not really Israel. Having said that, it doesn't detract from the fact that Arabs here are mistreated by the law, are given less opportunities and are oppressed due to racism. In my opinion, the use of the term is mainly for shock-value, but that's debatable.
By the way, considering the two points above, in my opinion and most leftists in Israel, a "one state solution" will bring about a de-facto apartheid regime in the land, since indeed, as Ethan tried to repeatedly explain, Jews here will not allow for Arabs to jeopardize their security - this will inevitably result in apartheid. For the left here, and opposed to what Hassan is saying, only two states are actually a moral thing, since only by that, the situation described above can be negated.
3. Comments on the Oslo accords. To say that it is only via Hamas suicide bombings and terror that the Oslo agreements failed is not completely accurate. Israel, which should have stopped expansion of settlements as part of the agreements, deliberately failed to do so. In reality, both sides did not do their "best" to fulfill the deals. This was taken advantage of by radicals on both sides.
4. Labeling Itzhak Rabin as a "dove". Do not get me wrong, he is probably the best we ever had, and in his time, hope for peace was the highest. But Rabin was a war general, who understood in his later years, that there is no other option but to reach an agreement with the Palestinians and that no other option exists. He was not a hippie pacifist. But I'll say - I wish we had him here today. At least he was sane, rational and empathetic to the Palestinian plight.
@@LudwigHorsecockHey Ludwig. Regarding your question, then I believe it's quite accurate. Support for an aggressive military reaction was, and still is, highly supported by the public, following the brutal events of October 7th. The massacre and the kidnappings of very large amounts of civilians boiled the blood of the Israeli population, which sought justice and revenge (I guess this or the other depends on one's point of view). Whatever one's opinion on Israel's response, I'll say two things which I believe to be facts: one, Hammas knew that Israel will respond harshly, though perhaps they did not expect the magnitude they got. Two, what Hassan said, i. e., that Israel should have dissolved the government and negotiated with Hammas to free the kidnapped in response (again, whether you agree with it or not), shows his utter ignorance of Israeli psychy or his understanding of war tactics.
@gwolks1008 Thank you! It’s refreshing to have a level headed discussion on the matter. That was very genuine answer and I think minds like yours are necessary for moving general sentiment forward.
Yeah it really does feel like Hasan wants this war to be the same as it was in other countries. He is ignorant on the subject bc he’s unwilling to accept the idea of the sheer level of contrast between the examples he brought up. Like the situation with the Israeli who literally escaped being gassed and then 3 years later they get attacked by people who wanted to wipe them all out for occupying their territory, that is generational trauma that will last for a very long time and the trauma itself is insane on a level no one could possibly understand. His “ignorance of Israeli psychy” is very profoundly evident if he actually believes that the possibility for taking down the wall is on the table considering all of that combined with what happened recently
That and if they dissolve, Hamas will 100% use the weakened state as an opportunity to attack. It’s insane that the group that has built itself up from their own horrific generational trauma and militaristic goals would just be like “oh okay cool bro. We’ll dissolve rn and be friends and it’s all water under the bridge” . It’s just insane to me how little he truly understands the psyche of either side to *that* degree. This isn’t gonna happen unless there is total peace for at least a hundred years, or MASSIVE amounts of humanist movements and an overhaul in general sentiments that cut through the trauma of having survived the Holocaust and mass bombing campaigns. Just “dissolving the borders” is a fairy tale
I used to be a fan of Hasan but it's so clear he causes more harm than good. In a situation everyone agrees is complicated Hasan says "No, I'm actually an expert." I think he does a disservice to his super impressionable audience. He's so opportunistic, he uses people then turns on them and I think worst of all he's spineless. He presents like he pushes back on ideas he disagrees with but he just aligns with the take that his core audience thinks is right and burns everything else to the ground with no regard for the real world impact. With certain things the himbo make dumb take thing was funny but it's not anymore. I genuinely think he is too dumb and too concerned with the way he looks to his fans to be in the position he's in.
Bro what? I can’t even finish reading the comment with how blatantly little you know about Hasan. He’s NEVER EVER EVER NEVER claimed to be an expert on anything 😂 he always call himself a dumbass. You could certainly grasp to make a point that it’s annoying when he does that and he might just do it to deflect a certain level of criticism he might get but be fucking honest with yourself. Especially when you’re using quote marks like that
It’s like watching someone trying to fill a 40,000 word essay
the way ethan is being treated genuinely made me sad, i feel like there should be a space for discourse from both sides without random bloodthirsty witchhunts, thats how resolutions are formed. i hate hasan and his fans, i get the impression that both hasan and his audience are nowhere near as passionate about the issues they discuss as they attempt to seem and virtue signalling is at their core. it feels like the entire internet is against ethan right now and its hard to watch
Ethan cultivated that audience and he was warned that deep down those people say they are tolerant but ultimately they hate anyone that dares have a different opinion than them. The moment he didn’t agree with them on something they would turn on him, cancel him and would eat him in the end. Ethan was warned but he brought this on himself so I don’t feel bad for him.
I sort of like Hasan, I think he's generally right, I HATE his fans. Especially that mod, Frogan. Actual garbage person. She said what Hamas did on October 7th was a "revolution" and called Ethan an Arab hating racist Zionist. When people call her on this, she refuses to engage and just says petulant trash like "what does it feel like to be stupid? lol". I hate her guts so much
@@Dj.MODÆO It's emotional Tankies from Hasan's audience. The majority of those who were already there before him support Ethan. Or at least support him farrrr more than the overlap with Hasan's audience
@@Dj.MODÆOit’s not Ethan’s audience though. The comments & views on the normal h3 videos are fine. Even the like ratio on their initial debates were fine. A very small percent of Ethan’s audience cares about this. It’s Hasan’s audience that’s buggin out.
I have learned nothing from this debate they had
You learned that Hasan is the sort of American that would have supported the Nazis in World War 2.
1:47:12
That's Hasan's political commentary in a nutshell. Truly an intelectual of our time.
Papas guts hatred for Hasan makes me happy
Its disappointing to see Papa spew the same false misinformation that Jordan Peterson was right and that Ethan asked for this audience and that Ethan is uncharitable. That is just not true.
It is true. Ethan rolled out the red carpet for Jordan Peterson when he first had him on the show but when Ethan started gaining a more radical audience he turned his back on Jordan Peterson and started condemning him even though Jordan Peterson had not changed in that intervening time and even then, what stopped Ethan from having a talk with him on his show like he did for Jontron and like he's doing for Hasan?
Ethan noscoped Jordan Peterson and all he said is that Ethan was going to get gotted by the audience he was catering to, and this video and the videos covering this controversy prove that succinctly.
No one says you have to become a Jordan Peterson fan, but the man was right about Ethan. Ethan sowed a radical audience, and now he's reaping it.
@@OdaSwifteyewhat doesn’t “prove that succinctly” is the fact that most of the h3 audience doesn’t care. Their views are averaging the same. Their likes and comments are fine. It’s literally just the portion of Hasan’s crossover audience from Leftovers that’s mad. And that’s not that different from the portion of people who hate Ethan and the podcast anyway and have for years lol
@OdaSwifteye You see that's not the reason why Ethan took down the episode. At the time of the Interview Ethan was still new to the podcast space, all the Interviews he did with the guest were done to be extremely agreeable since Ethan was insecure about his hosting abilities.
Ethan took down the episode because he felt that he did extremely poorly to the standard of podcasting that he holds for himself today. He would be glad to have Jordan Peterson on today where they can have a better discussion.
Ethan making fun of Peterson had nothing to do with audience shift and more to do with Peterson actions. I been watching from the beginning and It made logical sense to clown on the Joke that is Jordan Peterson.
@@risenjoker923You’re actually just wrong
@@ihateanimebutonlywhenitiso7227 nope, this is 100% the reason Ethan gave when he took that episode down. He even extended an invitation for Peterson to come to the podcast again.
Brainded hasan fans flocking to downvote incoming
Spotted a couple in here already 😂
I hate when people say that the Israel/Palestine comflict is a "complicated issue". The truth is the war has been going for so long, that all meaning has been lost. Numerous lives over decades killed, and there will never be a winner, it'll be either one side is annihilated, or they just have to give up
This video reminds me that anyone can become a political presence without knowing anything, say anything and people will agree (talking about Hasan). Was waiting for you to react to this Papa. Based points as always 💯
Hasan really is a talking head, Ethan has the right perspective God damn
Hasan an L and gives middle Eastern citizens a bad rep.
Hasan is wearing the same beanie as joe pesci in home alone
This sounds like Donny from the Wild Thornberries arguing with himself, but moderately less intelligent
Papa gut's trolling is the only reason I finished that long ass video
we need an organisation dedicated to digesting and summarising all videos with hasan in it so we dont gotta sit here for 3hrs hearing nothin' but yappin'
my favorite papa gut is all filters gone and frustrated papa gut
Hasan: want to know how many settlers were there x years ago
Me: no
Papa Gut: no
😂😂😂😂
We have many middle eastern Alliances that are very close with us but not Israel. Egypt is one of them. They recognize Israel, but aren’t on the best terms with them.
Israel moved out all the 8000 Jews that lived in Gaza. A wealthy Israeli mam bought houses and greenhouses and farms from the 27 settlements and donated them to the Palestinians that moved into Gaza. He also donated millions of dollars to help them get started. So they were basically all set. They could have made Gaza their utopia. But sadly as soon as they came in they elected Hamas as their leaders. They also choose to burn down all the green houses and farms that were given to them. Also there was no border or anything until hamas started launching bombs at civilian areas. They also did many suicide bombing in Israel so the border had to be closely monitored from than on.
Wild that papagut can call anyone an idiot when he clearly lacks basic understanding of what an analogy is
Papa I've watched you react to Ethan debating other people and applauding the way he handled it on many different occasions.
Just a grifter being a grifter.
2:54:34 in Hasan's livestream which is video 1972914883, and @1:33:13 in this stream is when Hasan said that he is too afraid to cover the Israeli perspective to "save face" because expressing that perspective is dangerous and harmful. That doesn't at all logically connect with the idea of saving face. He clearly just slipped up and said the quiet part out loud and then went down a rhetorical dialogue tree without even realizing the mistake
Who is better informed on middle east politics? A political science major that grew up in the middle east and communicates regularly with Palestinians or a whoever this fucking guy is?
2 state solution supporter here. Reparations. Support.
Also Papa Gut that was a really good point at the end about how Ethan keeps doing this to himself. He does share a lot of blame in this and it’s insane how insightful sober Jordan Peterson was, lol.
The way Hasan says Ethan is sooo condescending.
We have been blessed by the content gods lately shit is getting interesting lol
If this shit is interesting you need hobbies bro
@@wcsprings1129 So I'm not allowed to find the Israel Palestine conflict interesting or a political conversation interesting, okay, why are you here?
@wcsprings1129 Bro, you realize I can read your other comments you made on this channel, right? You literally ask for gut to react to more H3 content. 🤣🤣🤣
Hasans an idiot but this was still an interesting conversation
Why tf is this video 3 hours???
Papa gut takes the camera to the bathroom to increase his strength with the audience
Hasan talks out of his ass for the majority
Hamasanabi back at it again lol
The amount of times hasan has said uh is rotting my brain 🧠
There’s been a 2 state solution since 1948 they had a 2 state solution the day they attacked? How is this even a talking point?
every single sigh u made i literally felt so deep in my bones omf the struggle is actually the realest
2:47:15 on is a backboard shattering, hanging from the rim Papa dunk
Also, to anyone who is willing to explain bc i am kind of ignorant on the topic... How has Israel been historically oppressive to Palestinians?
Yo! Its been a minute since ive checked in with you ..awesome as always! But, i was unsubbed...anyone else have that happen?
It's possible you were subbed to the 'old' papa gut channel, he changed the name of his clips channel to Papa Gut and made it his primary channel now instead of the old one.
Noam was interviewed by Ali g
Ive watched this debate and the two brought nothing new to the table about this conflict, its just back and forth questioning and repeated opinions. I think this is the end of leftovers.
listening to papa gut is so frustrating , like ffs for once let Hasan at least finish his point before ranting and going off on him .
What point? He doesn’t make points. He vomits irrelevant information.
Israel deletes 11k..........
Ethan is so misinformed but Hasan can’t formulate a sentence without a 20 min introduction before he states any point
Always funny to see the mentally challenged argue amongst themselves
i agree with most your opinion, but i dont think hasans refusial to admit that "from the river..." is obviously a anti-semtic, comes fromhis western privlage , its because his family and roots are still in the middle east. he is just a product of the culture out there, they dont like jews, so hasan was brought up by these extremly rich turks, who prolly hate isreal.
gut put your chat on your vods like destiny or hasan it makes it funny ash
Glute spread at 30k
Im a new fan and enjoyed papa's videos that I've seen so far, the 2 hour vids usually feel like a 40 minute vid cause im entertained the whole way through, but hasans sheer idiocy, info dumping, and propogandizing for a terrorist organization, made this vid feel like I've been watching for 6 hours. Idk how i ever took hasan seriously but thankfully because of recent actually serious situations I've seen the light and realized hasan is absolutely braindead. Still love the gut tho.
Pooper gut
This shouldn’t be reaction content. I like Papa Gut’s measured responses in a lot of contexts, but I don’t think you’re qualified to comment on this. You need to learn more.
Found one
The only sensible comment in this section. Everyone else is just as ignorant and pigheaded as Gut
@@Karaparfound two
This is going to be the hottest take, but this is karma for having Trisha Paytas as a cohost. Ethan hired her on as a side show attraction where she acts weird and freaks out and Ethan gets to be the straight man and tell jokes and look sane by comparison.
Now he's friends with Hasan and Hasan doesn't respect anyone and only cares about himself and exploited Ethan's friendship the same way Ethan exploited Trisha's willingness to work with Ethan as his peer.
Ethan needs to stop doing the Destiny thing where you hire psychos to orbit around you for content, and find some real people to be around.
The dumbest take . If your logic was true, then what was Trisha’s karma lol. She blew frenemies up, not Ethan, and the choice for her to be the co host was based on their chemistry when she was a guest.
Sorry but “completely exploited Trisha’s willingness to work with Ethan as his peer” 😭 no, can we not? 😂
papa watch destiny on israel palestine he gives fair takes
I've always stood with Israel, i stand with the current "far right" Londoners that are protecting their country, i am a real man.
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didnt you read ? hes a real man 😂 @@bunnyshapedbread 😂
@@mojothecogo5088 He's got an interesting pfp
thats ... true lmao @@orphancrippler9526