What Happened to Orianna? Why NO ONE Plays Her Anymore | League of Legends
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- Orianna used to be bar none one of the most popular mid laners in the entirety of League of Legends during the earlier years. Since then her presence has drastically diminished to the point where it's rare for one to come across her. Today we'll be discussing what happened to her in Why NO ONE Plays: Orianna.
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orianna's another victim of the mobility creep. during her days, dashes are rare so it was easy for her to use the ball to continually poke you. in today's league landscape. with the amount of champions(and items) with dashes, it's just too easy to just keep your distance from the ball as it doesn't have crowd control outside of her ultimate
She still has that 0/5/0 still useful champ that keeps her as a valuable champion.
It's like a boxer who can only jab and leave their arm out only to be open for counter shots.
If we could re adjust Orianna, I wish her ball could be recovered more quickly so she could poke more often so that even when her mobile opponents dodge one attack there is a 2nd attack to worry about.
her poke is disgusting for a lot of champions
What about anivia she is more slow then orianna
@@medvedik__9989until anivia complete RoA and Seraph. She's a pretty fragile champ.
Her hp is just too low, slower mobility with more slower skill shot. The passive was there to let her have a second chance for early game when most of the enemies are in their lower stats.
Tbh I still prefer Orianna for early game. But if I need some serious neutral game then Anivia might be the best option along with Malz.
She became too hard to play not because of the champion but every single matchup against are different. There's just too many annoying assassin that you have to play differently.
Especially against champs like Leblanc or Viktor. It's just hard to justify where Orianna would profit the most in the current landscape.
This combined with her lane bully style makes her playstyle a lot more difficult to pull off nowadays. She's just too hard of a champion now for most newer players to want to play her sadly, so her playerbase just slowly dwindles as she continually loses her increasingly older player base
She just got powercreeped
@@trollerox7276true
What are you talking about she isn't hard she's just bad. And boring. She is just like boring azir
Oriana needs more love. She is one of the best designed champions
she just needs more skins. i hope they leave her kit as is, or else we'll have an akali situation all over again
Hardly disagree
She is boring and her survivability is fairly low. Xerath, syndra and lux, being also very immobile champs, have better self peel because of their instant cc on a basic ability. Also syndra and lux can burst you and xerath feels that he can poke from 2 screens away
yes please i used to main her until they nerfed her aa.
Only if you consider being mediocre at everything good design
She's objectively one of the most interesting and fair designed champions in the game, she fits her role perfectly, and that's the entire problem. When you picked Orianna in 2013 you feared facing an Assassin like Akali or Zed, maybe fizz at times and that was pretty scary. Now every champion in other lanes are gonna rush you down like crazy and she's always had problems with people being in her face. Look at the footage in this video and you'll just see it. Playing against Ahri with her 2 dashes, Akali with her multitude of dashes and in combat mobility with her invis, and that's just the midlaners. That doesn't account for all the mobility in other lanes now. These same characters are gonna do also insane amounts of burst that you just can't compete with. You have to manage your movement all the time and try to get out your abilities properly while everyone else is doing the equivalent of holding W at you and hitting you on the head with CC. She is a character that lives in the old league design, where there are still aspects of traditional MOBAS like HoN and DotA. There is some stuff that is fast paced but it's much more focused about the control and macro of a game. That's not the game now. Everyone wants to dash around and do a million damage and solo queue is people just coin flipping fights to get a lead or ff at 15. She's still awesome to watch and play. But man she is just playing a whole different game. But hopefully they don't try to "fix her" and add a bunch of stupid shit like resets or other such nonsense on her kit.
I think another thing to bear in mind, is that she still has the really old balancing of having to choose between more frequent poking in lane or more burst. Both with their own faults. Q max provided very reliable poke, but absolutely ruined your mana pool for how little it did to your opponent. W max gave such strong trading patterns, but its high mana cost meant it couldn't be used for efficient waveclear. She is still probably by far the most balanced mage out there, with an ability to play into virtually anything and, at minumum, neutralized some very dangerous threats. But because her mana pool is not effective at pulling her through in early/mid game she has to stunt herself into building Tear items a lot, her passive does nothing in conjunction with her kit and just describes how The Ball works, and reliance on Ball delivery for reliable playmaking makes her feel really bad against non-control mages and possibly even worse against infinite scaling champions.
Yup, I don't often play mid but it's always nice to see Ori on your team. She's one of those champs whose biggest "flaw" is that they are too fair which is really less of Orianna problem and more with just the current state of the game
... how about *_grounding_* on her W ?! ... x)
I've said it before and i will say it again, CertainlyT should have been kicked out of Riot after this abomination of a rework that changed way to much and made her pretty much unbalanceable. Ironically he was responsible for Darius and Yasuo too, who are 2 pretty hated champions.
Just build protovelt now you have a dash too :)
Something people usually don't talk about is her base stats being some of the lowest in the game. Usually is not noticed because she has passives that put them to other champions standards:
She has one of the lowest base ad, but her passive buffs her autos deal the same dmg any other mid laner would deal early game. This means that, at least early game, she doesnt have a passive, and when this passive actually makes her have some auto dmg compared to other mages, you're not gonna auto as orianna.
She has some of the lowest resistances early in the game (Yuumi level armor and mr), but her e has some passive resistances to help her match everyone. This means if u manage to trade with her when she can't get the ball on herself, she's taking close to 10% more dmg than any other mid laner would.
Add this to her q still having that 30% dmg reduction after the first collision, and u get a "scaling" champ whose only way to pressure early is aery spam that gets outscaled by every other dmg dealer.
It's honestly really frustrating. I don't get why riot adds these. Isn't the point of these passives to be "bonuses"? When you decrease her stats to compensate, they stop being bonuses, they just make her EQUAL to other champions.
I'd like for riot to do away with this stuff, maybe change her passive completely
@@dde8721 passives being basically a 5th ability wasnt as much of a thing when she came out. when ori was released her passive was decent because, like everyone else is saying, there was less overal mobility in the game so she could keep enemies in one spot for longer than she can now which gave her time to auto them and genuinely benefit from the extra damage. the fact that she could use her abillities from far away with relative safety through the ball made for her lower stats quite a bit imo but ofc now, theres so much mobility that enemies can just dash up to you and kill you before the ball even makes it back in time to actually combo.
she definitely needs a passive change and honestly maybe just a very soft rework. there are so many things you could do with her, make her passive stacking mr reduction to reward oris who kite well and survive long or maybe make it that she gets a little movement speed when the ball returns to her or maybe if she autos a champion and the dash within like 1.5 seconds of being auto'd by her, they take a little bit of damage or get a little slow. just something, anything lmao.
Ever tried conqueror on her?
Ori on WR can trade VERY WELL with most other champs. Since her passive gives bonus magic damage on her AA she can kills minions more easily and guarantee them as opposed to other champs that don't have the bonus and scaling that her AA have.
Her AA passive scales nicely with conqueror and many times I get Yasuos, Zeds, Irelias, Rivens, Fizzes, and so on, on the run cause they thought they could kill me and I'm literally eating on them, early game, with autos.
@@nox_caditi was about play her on wr lmao, clicked this video cause i was having doubts but this comment gives me hope
@@guidinglight6968 the first strike rune is also really good on her, you get your build earlier the more you harass the enemy
As an Orianna main, this is too sad to be true. I hope she appears on Arcane Season 2, she needs more love from us.
I'd consider Orianna's situation to be the very similar situation as what happened with Riven essentially - for the longest time what characterized Riven and made her a super powerful meta dominating champion who seemingly had it all - a.k.a. a resourceless champion with low cooldown moves with high early game damage, high burst damage, high mobility, high dueling and outplay potential - all of these have over time become normalized and *_a baseline for much of the modern champions_* - Orianna and by example Riven itself haven't magically become worse over time, just that most champions around them *_can do the same thing they do_* and *_THAN some_*
Am tempted to start playing her just because she is a mechanical ballerina with her body split in two but still connected by magical tech.
One of the biggest things Riot could do to help Orianna is improve Ball visibility for herself. As the game progresses, it gets increasingly harder to keep track of her Ball with so much more new things to keep track of and how VFXs (especially on skins) keep getting more flashy and similar looking.
Something like an icon / healthbar highlighting on attached allies (only visible to Orianna and maybe that attached ally) and a more visible range indicator would be an amazing QoL.
oof, way too true. you can even notice it on aram since you'll get to teamfighting so fast. her ball gets lost under minions, frontliners and vfxs
WR already has that, you have a marker below you that points towards the ball and the ball when in your allies gives you a range circle, like Shako's clone
i hate the recall when she leaves the ball area, sometimes i call the ball a milisecond too late and the ball its already on me without making any damage, i wish it made damage on her auto recall too, could make some good plays and take off a little of mana dependenc
@@maca76 nah, it's best the way it is, cause if when you leave the range the ball returns like if you're calling it back it would announce your position to the enemy and completely negating the chance of an proper ambush
this is so true sometimes navigating yourself and trying to find where tf the ball went while in a big team fight can be so difficult lol
Ori is too team reliable nowadays, this is her main "weakness" imo, if you don't win lane as her it's significantly harder to have an impact on the game without Seraph's + Luden or Liandry's - compared to other options , of course. But she's for sure one of the most rewarding and fun champions to play with till this day
i think the term you're looking for is pro play champion. she's basically a malphite, notable for that one ability and it's shockwave. too bad no one plays her in solo queue
*reliant
@@ReXiRa787 ty, english is not my main language
@@lillyie agreege, and it's quite hard to think of ways to make her more appealing without making her broken (I really like her abilities as of now and consider them balanced)
actually that is what is pulling me towards her. When you are playing from behind you can resort to assisting your teammates and play her like a shield bot (remember the Athenes days?). This is also why I still pick Aery in most matchups, even though first strike, phase rush or electrocute are technically better.
League was significantly better when top 3 most played mids in pro were viktor ori Azir.
she’s so fun to play, i just wish she had an ASU or a legendary skin. then i’d play her waaaayyyy more.
what’s wrong with you that won’t change anything
if she’s fun to play her then play her why do you want to buy a $20 skin
@@cadenmoore1939 e girl and e boy mentality.Only skin I bought is Mecha Kha'Zix because how iconic that skin is
@@cadenmoore1939 sometimes you don't like the champion because their abilities are not satisfying enough
@@cadenmoore1939whale mentality
@@cadenmoore1939 pretty colours and effects, ori's base skin sucks
She suffers from mage obsolescence. They were supposed to be great zoning/siege tools with fair range and great damage potential, but we now have in one side a huge mobility creep, on the other very tanky guys and in the middle some crazy utility that never existed.
For me ori is suffering from (1) mana hunger and (2) not being a threat in terms of constant damage. I assume they'll give her the rumble treatment and give her some % max health damage on Q in the future
lower the q cooldown and give it percent
Yeah I 100% agree, if I don't go tear I have a lot of mana problems and I can never use my abilities on wave. But if I go tear I lack crucial damage which I need to make up with poking a lot more. Old seraphs didn't have this problem since it gave ap when stacked. And after the buff changes junglers never give blue until they finished their jgl item and if the blue splits a lot of the time a random teammate takes it before I can. I hope they maybe lower Q and E mana (+ cd maybe), since this is what you need to position the ball.
Lower mana on W and give it more damage like %hp, because Q should be the way to move the ball and W should be the burst combo part
Yeah… sadly I think that’s just how it is for mages reliant on slower, telegraphed abilities
@@alliu6562 The issue is not even that, because landing those skills were rewarding before. Today you can have script xerath level of gameplay and still not have much impact, which is a bit sad for a mage lover t-t
Lol 2 months after this video and she s tier in pro.
Love the uploads Vars. When the Soul Fighter event ends would you consider making a video about how this summer's League content measured up against the last 3?
I think what Orianna needs is a mid-scope update like Ahri. Her model is pretty dated, so giving her a visual update along with some QoL buffs should go a long way for her. Maybe have the ball accelerate as it travels so it can cross long distances faster. Or maybe they could tweak the secondary effects of her w and e to help her lean into support a bit more. I'm sure there's quite a bit of adjustments that they can do that aren't just buffing damage numbers.
Ori is a monster champ, you can play her into almost anything. only a small few exceptions. Most people just dont know how to properly use her Q. You can see who really knows Ari vs who doesn't simply by seeing how they clear wave. Most people would Q into it then use E to pull it back then Q again to finish it off, that's 3 spell casts and a ton of mana for 1 wave. what an experienced Ori knows is that the ball does damage to anything it passes though, meaning that you can clear a whole wave with just 2 Qs, its safer and costs way less mana, just you into the wave hit all 6, auto the casters once then q is back into the melee creeps. Or for example they're laning and want to pull the ball back onto of them, so they E right? Well that uses mana and you're down a defence spell, you can instead use Q to put it into range of you while also doing some damage to the enemy or the wave and just walk onto of it to pick it up, saves mana and doesn't cost a defence spell. Why this is important is lets say you have a bank coming, its easier to put the ball on the teammate but you can't bc no E. Lastly you never see unexperienced Ori players make use of her passive, it really hurts if you can maintain your position and play around the ball. People think you need to know where the ball is at all times, you don't, you just need to know your leash range, the ball will go where you tell it so as long as your're in leash range you dont need to know where the ball is bc you can just reposition it, you dont need to see it even just remember the general position of where you sent it last and where you are now. a lot of players will forget the ball is right onto of them, its more important for them to keep track of it than you. You just need to know that s long as you are within leash range, the ball will move where you tell it. Keeping an eye on your leash range means you can snap the ball back to you instantly if you need to without using E or if E is on CD, just walk out of leash range for a sec and it'll come back in an instant. OR even just simply using Q and keep the ball in one spot, the enemy has to constantly keep track of it but you dont really need to, so just use it to zone, inexperienced ori ori players think they need to keep the ball in motion all the time, the ball is most effective when you can utilize its mere presence to create space and zone; for example if you're taking a tower and you know the direction the enemy is coming from, place the ball in-between their path and you, so either they go around or are forced to walk through it. Ori has so many tiny mechanics that make her one of the Best picks in the game if you know how to properly use her kit. sorry for long comment lol I just like Ori
Orianna is my most played champ in soloq, I've used her for many seasons to climb to gold, but now I play other champs in rank because I feel like Ori is lacking. Yes she can still be very oppressive, and powerful, but most of the time you are out ranged or out damaged by other champs, and feel useless. I used to blind pick her, and feel confident about almost any matchup, but now she is situational at best.
Fantastic video. I watch alot of your stuff but this one is a gem. Good one Vars!!
that "wretched weaponry" in the background hits hard
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Not really, a 7.9% pick rate isn’t anything to write home about. And it’s decreasing so… maybe this comment aged like milk?
After how much Sera was brought up in this vid I almost kind of want to see a dedicated video for her, how she fell from mid lane to APC/Support, etc
She's a "perfectly balanced" champion. Feels smooth to play, can engage, support, zone, poke, consistent damage etc without feeling too complicated. Sadly, with loads of BS's in champion design, she can feel a little rough to play (It's hard to zone properly when Yone can engage her from 2 miles away.
this did not age well shes picked or banned in every game at worlds atm
The biggest problem with Ori in modern day League of Legends is the fact that everything she does is honest, telegraphed and kind of slow leaving room for counterplay. With the rise of the new 200 years champs we experienced an increase in non-counterplay gimmicky abilities and therefore Orianna, even tho I believe she is alongside Jhin one of Riots best designs (in both cases, gameplay and visual / concept design / lore), cant function in such environment unless Riots gives her a 200 years no counterplay mechanic (like for example cut her slow on her W from 2 seconds to 1.25 seconds and in return give it the grounding effect / or let here ball deal constantly a tiny amount of damage in a small radius so she can apply spell effects without casting abilities beside positioning her ball properly with Q or E - lets be honest, if Riot would ship such changes they would probably ship both ideas at the same time).
Honestly, grounding and burn damage doesn’t seem that unreasonable lol 200 years would be giving her ult multiple pulses each pulling people in and making her e pull her towards it and giving her w a root/grounding. Though even with all this, she’s still not as 200 years as new asol.
Yeahh league is kind of just bs mechanics trying to beat more bs mechanics. Riot just tunnel visions on the feeling of playing the character and doesn’t consider facing against them.
tbh Grounding does sound nice !
and you wouldn't even need to nerf the slow duration ! just revert the R dmg buffs !
I'm pretty sure riot (ehem chinese playerbase that they love catering to) hate grounding since they want a hyperfast and dash heavy snowbally meta. When was the last time a champion had a grounding effect, the closest is vex who gets a damage effect but doesn't stop the dashes and thus still take the massive burst that usually follows from said dashes.
Personally I hate this aggro snowbally meta and would love more grounding effects but I fear I and like many in these comments are in the minority.
To be fair, I'd much rather just see less dashes on various champions rather than more grounding effects. Getting your flash denied is annoying even for champions without dashes, and in most cases it is the low mobility champions that are easiest to Oriana ulted in the first place as they can't just dash away the moment the ball comes close. I also does not help against the true issue that LoL has a high amount mobility creep when comparing older and newer champions.
I don't believe Riot will stop adding more dashes into the game though...
An Ori tries to get in range to poke the enemy champ. Gets fricking 1 shot by a blue kayn coming from behind a wall.
Thats basically every mage minus ahri and a couple of other control mages with hard cc
@@bullettime1116 but ahri has mobility in her kit and most mages have an ability in their kit to stave off assassins to some degree.
It'd be interesting to go over why so many classic mages are just... gone from the midlane.
I used to play a ton of Karthus, Brand, Vel'koz, and Ziggs mid, but nowadays you never see them outside of support/jungle.
It's indeed sad to witness other mages being shoved and forced towards bot lane ಥ_ಥ
Mobility + high damage
Like vars said, mage midlaners are required to have utility on top of damage. Artillery mages and mages with pure damages like karthus velkoz xerath brand, only provide damage whereas control mages offer utilities and zone controls along with good damage. Also imo control mages are just more fun to play than pure damage mage.
@@aki5876 Plus, there are too many assasins and skirmishers that do a lot and have too many ways to off you.
@@Gabriel_custodio195 this really shouldn’t be understated, because ultimately Oriannas problems aren’t really that unique since dealing with control mages, for the majority of assassin picks, is almost solely a matter of pressing a no/low-cost outplay button and you get to invalidate half their damage. The former feel hard to play mid since you just straight up have none of the privileges that account for your weaknesses or player mistakes by comparison.
It also makes sense how many of these picks are funneled into bot lane, because it’s one of the few remaining lanes where the mobility/on-demand outplay nonsense hasn’t affected it much. Your matchups have fewer means to address your lockdown and skillshot bursts and are generally less durable.
For me the biggest problem about her is no mobility
These days everyone has a dahs and a lot of damage
I played against and as Orianna, the moment you tell your jungler she has no flash, she is dead
She is so easy to shut down of all the mobile high damage champs that are the most popular champions to pick and play
I also feel a link between Ori and pre-mid-scope Ahri, jack of all traits and master of none
Same as Viktor and Syndra, the control mage class is supposed to not have mobility
@@RA-LT I know but it makes it 100x time harder to play in modern League
Especially if you're a artillery mage
The reason why Xerath, Ziggs and Vel Koz are not played as much and Lux only goes support
@@mariannapapikyan4123 I understand u, but part of the problem is also the lack of team play. It's pretty rare to see people peeling for them or playing around them and around their powerspikes, that's why they're only played high elo. They require vision to play around, get to objectives first and a lot of team relying gameplay.
@@RA-LT True
I honestly don't think this is a problem, as an Orianna otp the no mobility fits her perfectly. I don't think mages should have a lot of mobility and Orianna already has more than most mages with your W and Phase Rush. Orianna is a very macro reliant champion which makes her very hard to play in SoloQ but if played correctly you have little to no problems in laning phase. I think her problem comes from a lack of damage and mana.
it might sound weird but i think at least in lower elos the splash art is really important. when i was new to the game i always thought that skarner and orianna must be really old and outdated because of how crude their portraits looked. the crucial detail being that because of the portrait cut out i couldn't even tell that skarner was a scorpion and orianna a mechanical puppet rather than poorly drawn humans.
the way u just yapped out your ass
skarner maybe but orianna's splash is solid
@@Drathrin i like both of their artwork but in champ select you only see their faces, so it's easy for newer players to not even understand what they are
very true, they are showing their age badly in terms of model, splash and animation
no you're 100% correct. the aesthetic is extremely important. orianna should be gwen-ified
Seraphine currently does everything orianna used to do but better, poor girl
Ori is always a good pick and is a staple in the mid lane, Sera is basically only used sup cause she got gutted in the midlane
Seraphine isn't even touched anymore especially in Mid, she's straight up not even listed on there rn
Why everyone plays Kayn = 6.27 Pickrate
Why NO one plays Orianna = 16.09 Pickrate
The "and teemo" at 8:18 got me
One thing I feel like you didn't mention is mobility creep at on point in league Orianna was popular because of there wasn't as many threats now every champ seems to have some crazy dash to close the gap or get out of your ultimate the mobility creep is crazy
Off topic but fine choice for backround music
Not sure if mentioned in video, but one of reasons is definitely her audiovisual design. Balerine robot with metal ball, definitely isn't as mainstream as Aurelion Sol, Ahri, or other so called "cool" champs, it just isn't in the power fantasy of teenage boys.
Personally, I wouldn't play Seraphine for example, just because her audiovisual design repels me so much.
I mean same here, but not because she's cutesy, but because she's a boring, safe, corporate design that sacrifices any intresting meaning for the most widely appealing design possible.
Not to mention the manipulative marketing that surrounded her release.
I don't agree with this because league is full of girl/femboy culture and champs like sera, mf ahri and lux are giga popular and are not "cool concept" champions. Ori fits that narrative too it's just that she isn't that popular because riot didn't treat her as well as the other girly mages like Ahri Lux and Syndra. Orianna could have had so many good skins but riot didn't want to, like she literally just got the Star guardian skin and it's because seraphine stans bullied Riot.
I suggest a video on the Lazer nexus tower that has been reverted!
I had good memories of them, and would love to know more about their departure. :)
ok when you said there are 3 houses being made outside i was expecting yelling, pipes falling and engines running in the background. it would be extremely funny if after that announcement all we could hear was the construction site with you yelling into the mic
also hi, me and my buds have been watchin you for years now, keep up the good work we all love it m8
Good man putting respeck on The Forklift Certified Able.
I can't belive there is not video about Zac in this playlist.
Nice Video, at 7:09 you spelled "Availability" wrong though :) Just to edit it for future watchers
Great vid. Orianna got me to gold for the first time this season, so no complaints here!
its just cool knnowing that vars just uploaded a new video and then you see its a video about qyiana after you just got demolished by one
I appreciate the clash of ninja footage. That was my childhood
Lmao love the Nier Automata music in the background. The track that plays when you return to the factory. Kinda does fit an Orianna video I guess.
Waiting for a video on syndra :)
I really wish we had more carry mages that aren’t assassins in the jungle and I think, with some changes/buffs Ori could fit that role and maybe increase her playability.
No way! I started playing orianna 4 days ago and he does that video? What a coïncidence.
One change that might be broken but interesting is to give her two charges on her E, but make the cd a bit longer. This would help in burst survivability against assassins who all in her, and makes her midgame more interesting by having the ball zooming around due to the 2 e's. Plus she could flex into supp more and tgat could be interesting given the amount of resists a fully upgraded e could give, and gives her order max flexibility.
actually might be the best design for ORI atp
I don’t think reducing her E cooldown by even half would be a huge buff, but having a double E at 2 charges would be crazy strong.
IMO, if Orianna doesn't wind up getting reworked into a support role or mid-scoped back into relevance... the best way Riot could bring Orianna back to the modern par is simply by buffing the range of her Q. 50 units perhaps?
While the wombo-combo potential of her ultimate gets a lot of the spotlight, Orianna's secret strength in the old days USED to be her zoning and area-control in lane. At the peak of her popularity, the 825 cast range on her Q was pretty close to being on par with what most ranged characters could pull off consistently with their abilities, save for artillery casters. And with less low-cooldown dashes and dives in League's roster overall, the slow and speed-boost on her W was a bit more relevant in stopping approaches or making quick getaways. Heck, the range she had was potentially even GENEROUS sometimes when you considered that she also had her potential "leash" range to utilize, allowing her to drop the ball in her opponent's usual safe zones, walk back to her own safe areas, and then start creating momentary trigonometric threats against the opponent.
However, over time that cast range was slowly crept up on. Not just by the obvious dash and dive mobility, but by the average ability range of new characters on the roster. More artillery champions were added, more piercing skillshots with the range of the usual poke abilities were available, more spammable snipe pokes and more pokes in kits overall, led to Orianna getting punished for trying to place her ball forward. Her extra threat zones went from a moderately generous bonus she could utilize on the regular to something you had to risk yourself for to get your hands on, and her normal cast's range went from going roughly toe-to-toe with her opponents to always being too small to claim initiative with.
And her buffs over the years? Looking at them, they almost exclusively seem to focus on her wombo-combo value, as opposed to her deteriorating laning phase where she's been subtly falling behind the curve more and more. Thus, she has gone from her former position as a popular control burst mage, one who would tactically shift into enchanter tactics late-game due to her middling range and lower total ability scaling, to a lackluster enchanter mage who relies on teammates at all stages of the game to enable the surprisingly high amount of burst they have locked away.
The only way to FIX Orianna and all other grandfather champs is to ADD dash to them!!
Anyway, I still enjoy playing her in ARAM, especially initiating crazy teamfights 😂
I rather to see visual update or rework for older champion every year rather than getting a new champion that's completely generic.
0:44 Wait Lillia was actually in the spotlight at one time? 💀
I think somewhere around release when she had a busted clear speed
I love that teemo is his own category!
Var's neighbor has to be getting gentrified with how often building is happening there.
Music in the background:
NieR Automata - Wretched Weaponry
I think she is really good as a support. The low cd and really good range on her E is amazing! Also constant speed/slow varieties. The most annoying thing is her mana though, until almost the late game.
Not "Wretched Weaponry" from NieR: Automata playing in the background while you talk about a Wretched Weaponry herself such as Orianna. You sir, never cease to amaze me in your videos
imagine simply adding "Enemies affected by the Ball can't use movement abilities for 1.0-3.0 seconds based on level", she would be instant meta
True, her main issue she dont have any movement, she doesnt have any cc, she just cant defend herself
@@Pissandra_0.0 and the lowest mr/armor without her ball ( so thats 90% of the time while shes not running away )
that would instantly make her the best champ in the game.
Orianna is one of my favorite champions, but it really feels like she has fallen behind more modern champions, since her damage is low but her aoe control is still super good i like to play her as a support, both in midlane and in botlane
One thing i recognize, the champion with unique playstyle always having a low play rate.
I like how teemo is his own category
Showing this to my friend who plays ori and asking her if shes alright
A good change imo would be to have her W give more speed, ground enemies (cancel dashes) and execute minions at a small percentage
Would you do a list of Puppet master champion lists and what they excell at and do really bad at???
man, i actually shed a tear when you showed galio taunt flashing, that one hurt on a personal level.
I cannot focus on the video because of feelings this music is giving to me xd
love playing her
I feel like she is very broken in the right hands especially when i watch dopa play her, her team fighting is crazy good and ger laning is insane.
That didn’t age too well and it’s been 3 months
I’m shocked 😭💀 I love playing her plus she’s so easy to play with considering how you can easily adapt your playing style in regards to who you’re playing against
honestly she still can be played, but it became alot harder, because of too many nuke champs. You often arent able to follow on roams in the early game and have to stay mid, because you stand no chance in a pure 1v1. Though if you are able to gain a small lead or once you can join skirmishes around baron or herald, she can still bring significant value if you play her relatively defensively
Hey Vars have you tried recording with Krisp
Hey Vars, I have a question. How do you statistically account for the fact that more champions being available naturally creeps down pick rates in general? Is that a thing that you look at? How do you account for that in long time statistics like for Orianna? I am sorry for putting you on the spot, but it kinda came to mind while watching that video.
As a small sidenote in terms of power I think what works against her a little bit nowadays is her passive. It works amazing in lane of course, but in teamfights it becomes a liability and could be used for something else that might work better in the long term
7:45 riot started ruining the game, but didnt what people found fun about league was having more champions capable of more roles than being a cookie cutter, boring as all hell, one champ, only one lane being effectively used in and has a low pickrate. Although there is still a lot of champs that stick to one lane
Unless I'm missing something here
Just played with an Orianna a few games back for the first time. I have no idea what she does but i could feel the impact of the barriers and the gravity thingy in every teamfight.
probably pivoting orianna into a more support role, buffing the shield and making the ball movement speed ability give attk spd too and maybe making the ball give her passive on hit damage to nearby allies. i think buffing damage on her ult and w is scary and just makes for degen gameplay, maybe q buffs but that ability is as bad to try and dodge as lux e
BGM: Wretched Weaponry - Nier Automata OST, one of my favorite theme is this game.
returning orianna otp, became cass otp as ori didn't have the solo carry power to claw out victories when i deserved them.
recent buffs to ult damage have changed that though. previously a 4 man ult might halve enemy hp for team to follow up on, but if they're all completely worthless and it's 1v9 your huge ult makes no difference. now that same ult can near one shot a team (or ohko the carries) and even underfarmed allies can capitalise. it's made a massive difference.
only thing that needs updating imo is her passive. literally anything would be better.
i wish her e had charges and the resistances would stay longer after the ball leaves, her w gives an insane ms buff, would be nice if the slow/speed up field moved with the ball for a certain duration, maybe even reduce the w burst and add a continous damage effect, maybe make q refund cd if it doesn't hit, her passive could be a time based enhance effect, get boni by game lenght, after all she is the clockwork doll, she even has a spin up mechanism in her model, maybe increase cast speed? or ball velocity?
And that is why I play her support now because she doesn't do as much damage as other midlaners but has great supportive abilities with her movespeed/slow on w, great poke, a fantastic shield and the ult as a get off me tool usually
Damn 10/10 NieR:Automata backround music. It is also fitting :D
I'll never forget matching up with an oriana way back when and she would just leave her ball to zone me out of the wave while she autos the creeps. That ball scared the life out of me 😂
Orianna and zyra were my first real mains in season 2. To this day she’s still my comfort pick when I’m picking early or just not familiar with a match up
I don't think she needs a rework, but a qolbuff
Make her ball travel a little faster from a location to the other and she will probably get a lot more play
I agree, that's what icks me, like I wanted to play her and something's stopping me and it's how slow her ball travel from one place to another. Which is sad and annoying (?) coz she's literally relying on her ball for all the skills she can do and for some reason it's so hard to hit or do anything (as an almost-interested Orianna player) because of it being too slow. Maybe I'm just bad and I just have to get used to it but idk.
@@julsegsI play her alot and you're correct. The ball-management is still a thing about her which I honestly think is a bit obsolete compared to all other modern champs with simpler kit plus easy character management. There were moments where I casted my ulti and forgot the ball wasn't in a position I wanted 😂
This video made me wonder as to her potential viability in the champ rosters of mage support players. She doesn't really have pre 6 cc the same way Brand and Lux do, but to make up for that she has a shield for her carry as well as a ms buff and slow. She has just as easily accessed poke, the versatility you mentioned in the video makes me think she'd have fairly consistent matchups, and her ult makes mid/jg ganks basically free as well as being a very powerful tool for drake fights. Just some food for thought, maybe worth trying.
Also imagine pairing her with like, Kaisa. Kaisa ult becomes the most dangerous thing ever
@@Hazy_FforestKai'sa + a support is already the most dangerous thing ever.
Love that Teemo gets his own category
How dare you have houses built on your street. Build them after you record.😤
I recently started playing ori support for fun, and honestly speaking it works really well.
You get a turbo fat ADC and really slow enemies.
Bro made a video on why people dont play the most popular champ in the game.
She has an interesting design and kit, which got me to play mid lane for the first time but her kit is pretty underwhelming when handling against other mid laners... ; A;
i just won a game with ori support and i see this in my home lol
Because her R does not explode after a delay after doing damage, she cannot teleport to her ball amd she can not create copies of her self to launch 2 skills at the same time
This did not age well. Worlds showcased the power of an Orianna.
Pro play is completely different from soloq . Oriana is one of those champ that really strong in pro play but kinda meh in soloq
Yup and she was picked exactly for the reasons I've been preaching. These people don't know what they're saying and probably get shit on by silver/gold fizz or whatever. she is still good for controlling lane but then that means what she is actually weak to, are champions that hyper outscale her.
was this your first worlds buddy? she's always prominent at worlds
Worlds =/= solo q
THE BALL
I didn’t hear construction. I think your good
This season ive been taking her support. With the recent buffs reducing mana cost on her w and e means you dont run out of mana super quick and maxing shield gives you stats to throw on your adc. 30 armor and mr at max rank for whoever has the ball on them plus a 500 hp shield is nothing to scoff at.
Next patch :
Commend shockwave: 500/650/800 (%200 ap)
I believe that she can teach you a lot about laning phase, late game macro and teamfights and is very simple to learn so she is great for new players but after that there are a lot of OTPs who play braindead broken champions and Orianna isnt broken ,she is perfectly balanced so when you play her in Solo Queue you struggle against those OTPs
The only way I can think of to make her more viable against the midlaners of today without completely changing her would be to increase the range of her abilities and speed up the ball's movement speed, maybe based on ability level
agreed, her q is a little on the short side in practice, and you aren't a gwen or a lillia so you have no sustain or protection besides a tiny shield. It's so easy to either cover the screen with a ranged skill, or go across it with a dash nowdays, that her limited range+being fragile doesn't help at all.
It's crazy how mobility is so valuable in LoL. Orianna's ult is like Dark Seer's Vacuum but a whole lot weaker. And somehow the context of LoL makes it a high power ult.