@@Mike.Erman.Trout. 🤣 not really. There’s toxic bubbles that can be full of gas but yeah it was a weird name I don’t know why they changed it though. The new one isn’t much better. “Mirage fizzle” for shizzle I guess
I got Acheron and her Signature LC (albeit reluctantly) so this guide coming in frame 1 of the banner dropping is a lifesaver Thanks for the detailed content MrPokke!
As a F2P, I can proudly say that I got my first back to back 5 star today. Bronya (C2 now) and then Acheron. I got Acheron way earlier than anticipated (30 pity), thinking about the lightcone now… Putting my luck out there, Good luck to everyone pulling!!
She’s finally here! The moment we’ve all been waiting for lol. I’ve been excited for her for months it seems like. I spent 350 pulls and got her E2S1. Lost only 1 50/50, so am super happy with that. U was hoping for her E2S1 😁
She is still strong but yk that you still need a S5 version of all of those 4 star lightcone. And also the longer the fight drag out the more noticeable the different between a S5 GNSW lc and her signature lightcone (she will cast more ultimate). Overall she is still a strong unit but i wish they actually do showcase of her with the s1 version of the 4 star lc alternative.
looking on just the number of flowers gain by acheron herself only, by her 9th turn, she would have loss 1 ulti cast. However, she will continue to improve with incoming characters to buff her playstyle
yeah... "just pull S5 4* LC guys 3head" xD I'll wait to see some review on her at E0S0 to see if she can clear content without hyperinvesment (some people have godly relics that I'll never get xD)
exactly. after all this time still no S5 GNSW, and that's on my Kafka anyway. At the same time, you *don't* want your MoC fight to drag on anyway. I'll prolly pull for her lightcone in the end.
You say that e4 doesn't count as a debuff, but it actually does give a stack of slashed dreams when summoned enemies enters battle, like the dragonfish that the auramaton gatekeeper spawns. Though it's still only 1 stack for the whole action and not 1 per enemy.
Bro, my Acheron is killing it with GNSW. And I’m not even using the path planar set. She’ll be a monster once I get it 😂 Keep up the great work pokke! ❤❤
Likewise, I lost 50/50 to welt light cone (needed it anyway) so I’m still using S5 GNSW and it’s working great, lightning set and Salsotto so when I actually get her weapon and set she will be shredding through MOC
Apparently it's 22% better than S5 GNSW so I got it (I dont even have that 4 star LC at S5). You don't need ANY 5 star LC on anybody. It just makes building them easier.
Btw it's not extra 60% dmg buff in trace, but it increases base dmg % of all attacks. For example, her skill's main target will take 1.6*160% of atk dmg instead of just 160% atk dmg. So the value it gives is way higher than simple dmg buff, since dmg buff gets added together before multiplying, so it decreases the actual value as it goes up.
Some very good info in this guide. Will come in handy when I win 50/50 later and get her LC early. Surely. Anyway I'm surprised that CN is sleeping on Welt sustain, they're usually ahead of the game on these things, but maybe they don't bother cause they're all going for E2S1+ lol
Hey does the slow debuff from Gepards E2 apply a stack of crimson knot? If so would that make him better than Fire MC cause enemies would be getting debuffed on their turn.
They would also be taking more actions since the freeze makes their next attack come out faster. so when they lose freeze they get slow debuff so that's +1 stack and when they attack Gepard with trend LC that's also +1 stack.
I'm still shaking right now 220 tickets DOUBLE Acheron pull on a 50/50 did some more got welt and another Acheron, pulled on the light cone banner got her light cone on a 75/25 with 21k jades left I Can't 😭😵
I got her in my first 10 pull, and honestly, I'm not going to risk getting her eidolons, I just got the game a few weeks ago and have been struggling without a 'sustain' and heard that Luocha has fallen off, so I'm thinking of going for that one dude with the shields.
It took me 160 wishes to get Acheron. Back to back rough pulls. It all started with sparkle! 25.6K Jades!!! I really hope all my future pulls aren't like this. Luckily it only took me one 10 pull to get her Light Cone.
19:30 Silver Wolf also has 8% Def Down from her tallent so with Pela that would be 95% Def down without Resolution LC. Also. Resolution does not give an extra stack for Acheron if another debuff is aplied at the time of the atack as Silver Wolf does on basic, skill and Ult and Pela E4+ on Skill and Ult. Resolution gives Acheron an extra stack only on Pela Basic but you sacrifice Pela 2 turn Ult. I found it better to run Tutorial LC on Pela for 2 Turn Ult and Good Night Sleep Well S5/In the Name of the World (Incessant if you have it) on Silver Wolf and have her as sub DPS.
@@sirsuntar8717 well probably yea for PF. For MoC prob not. So u have consistent debuff, even when jiao ulti downtime. Jiao also applies debuff to enemy every action they take during his ulti duration, so it wont stack with trends, as acheron talent cap at 1 stack per action. So using him + MC trends kinda bad. MC still can taunt ofc, but need SP and trend wont generate any acheron stack during jiao ulti. When jiao ulti on cooldown, then trends can generate stack again, we dunno how long the downtime of jiao will be as for now.
@MrPokke pin this To anyone doing overworld in 2.0 total xp per character in a map clear is 100k new patch calcs Im still doing so I will update you all here on my next day since I 100ted the map. Edit: Here is the data now for those psychos that love Overworld farming. 116144 xp earned per character (464k) ~103 TP Creds 63822 earned - ~26 TP Time spent 58 minutes (about an hour) 12 minutes were Herta station and Belobog 19 minutes Luofu 27 minutes Penacony In 2.0 alone before Acheron it took me ~3 HOURS to clear the map. This woman alone eats a minimum of 80 bags of chips, how she is not getting fat is beyond me she has a god damn black hole in her stomach
THanks!! I've been breaking my head trying to figure out and finding simulations all over the internet to see if she really needs it, I saw some simulations were her dmg as S0E0 with GNSW s5 is comparable with Jingliu S0E0 too, I'm fine with that
whale commentary: yeahh so without her signature her 0 cycle is about 20 seconds slower so you really need to get that otherwise the units noit really worth the time or investment Normal commentary: Acheron is hot and with just her best team she performs on par with the other strongest teams and shes also hot 10/10 recommend
Wow… who would’ve guessed… since I watched all the previous videos from the other CCs… but what’s this? I’m still watching this… absolutely unfathomable
I die die need the lightcone, simply because GNSW is stucked with Kafka and it is not even s5, it is impossible to get 2 copies of S5 GNSW for both kafka and acheron in the short period of time so I must get acheron lc. It sucks that her lightcone is so limited, most of Nihility lc is for dot chars. If there is a f2p option pretty sure nobody would want to pull for her lc
Jingliu fits into more team comps. Acheron wants nihility characters too, not just for the Big Trace, but also because any unit that can apply debuff during turn & ult, will make her able to ult more. That said, Jingliu has some issues against enemies with high Ice Resist. So in terms of enemies Acheron is more versatile.
If you have Kafka's LC on your E1 Black Swan, then no need to maintain BS Ult debuff since the Erode effect already counts as a Shock and proc the lightning res down effect of E1 Black Swan
I'm in the same boat as you and I'll get Jingliu, because she just a lot easier to build and unlike Acheron she has a great F2P 5star LC option from Herta's shop.
Having an higher Base Atk iirc don't specifically give Atk% a better value without giving value to all other multipliers. having higher base atk just mean than your character we'll do higher damage overall. and reduce the value of flat atk. Atk% remain with the same value compared to other multiplier because they all benefit from higher base atk. it's a common mistake ppl think i have to say.
I should have watched this vid earlier cause I wasted my $100+ pulling for Acheron LC only to lose 75/25 on the 79th pull. Having anxiety now and taking a long time recovering from this… and I already had GNSW S5 way earlier on my kafka.
This has been a subtle trend with hsr. Content creators(not all,lol) and random commenters doom posting about characters and what they have to offer and people listen and take it too seriously and then blow them out of proportion. Yada yada. Good ol bandwagon.
If you take 20% off 100, its still bigger than 70. If it was just simple numbers, everyone would see 100*0.8 and conclude "80 is bigger than 70", but when add in enough variation that people don't understand the numbers anymore, their gut reaction is to think that having 20% less on 1 side must mean its less than the other. I think think this is effectively what happened with Acheron, where E0S1 Acheron might be like a 100, E0 S5GNSW Acheron might be with Jingliu or DHIL+sparkle as like an 80, and the average dps (that actually sees use) is probably a 70. In particular, I think this effect happened with her her ult. Not having S1 means that she gets 1 less stack per skill. A small porition of people genuinely thought this makes her one of the slowest ults in the game (and this was on a video where she ulted almost every cycle). If she had a 3-4 turn ult, as some people were speculating, she would in fact suck. She's pretty much twice as good as people incorrectly speculated without doing the math.
Her S1 isn't mandatory *IF* you can already achieve 2 turn ult with GNSW S5 (basically it's still mandatory if you don't have Trend and high superimposition GNSW).
@@exu7325 No its not. You have 10 cycles to complete MOC. Acheron is S+ tier with GNSW S5 and optimal team comp. If you get rid of some of those factors, she might drop to A tier. A tier characters can quite reasonably clear MOC. Plus getting 2 turn ult cycle is very reasonable. 2 nihilities and the stacks she gets from ult already put you about there. Like I said, if you take 20% off 100, its still more than 70, or in this case more like 50 because I think an optimally set up E0S0 Acheron already does over double the damage MOC requires.
Welt+Huohuo+Black Swan techs combined doesn't seem to work even with Acheron S1. After landing all the debuffs you only start the fight with 7 stacks instead of 9.
mrpokke what do you think of acheron, SW and black swan + Shield/healer? do you think SW and black swan make a good team for her or should i remove black swan and build pela?
I got her E0S1 now, should i pull for E2, Luocha or wait for Aventurine or Jingliu? I have around 11k Jades left and we will get more pulls ofc as the patch goes on.
on the gunaifen , acheron , pela team , if i were to use a gepard instead of fire mc would it still work? gunaifen e0 , acheron e1 , pela e6 , gepard e0 with his light con , also i dont have acheron LC
The Gepard or TB is only there to carry Trend of the Universal Market LC. If you don’t have that, then the fourth slot sustain doesn’t matter, I don’t think
lost on lc banner to welt lc, dont know if i still want to try to get it but i''ll probably just pull on lc until i get gnsw s5 but i still think about hitting it because i have guaranteed so if i get it early its w if i don't i will just wait for other cracked lc
SW or Tutorial if you have them, otherwise just throw whatever on her. Guinaifen is better than Sampo, easier debuff stacking + vulnerability through Firekiss
Is Pela still better if I have e2 SW and e2 sparkle? (And e2 Acheron) I'm less concerned about AoE def down when Acheron annihilates non elites anyway.
Sorry you posted this 30 minutes late so I can't watch it now
Agreed.
No, he posted a week and 30 mins late so it's definitely unwatchable
@@danikazeytv True I can't watch this since it came out way after the creator experience server videos
Such a skill issue indeed
I agree really sucks for pokke
Respect to this guy pumping out content before even prydwen got updated
Prydwen was always slow
Prydwen so slow they took down the entire calculator cuz they couldn't keep up lol
Just join the official server kid, they had the math a week ago😂
Prywden so ass they used s5 gnsw for their simulations.... Totally relatable and fair yea...
🤡🤡@@awatcher4965
thank you for the frame 1 CN analysis, it's really helpful
Did anyone notice they changed the name of the debuff on her light cone. It’s no longer called empty bubbles
I saw someone in live chat say "aren't all bubbles empty anyway?!" 😂
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. 🤣 not really. There’s toxic bubbles that can be full of gas but yeah it was a weird name I don’t know why they changed it though. The new one isn’t much better. “Mirage fizzle” for shizzle I guess
Anything is better than empty bubbles lol.
@@Mike.Erman.Trout. They're referring to DREAM bubbles, so it means "Empty Dreams"
I got Acheron and her Signature LC (albeit reluctantly) so this guide coming in frame 1 of the banner dropping is a lifesaver
Thanks for the detailed content MrPokke!
Pulling soley to mintpick faster
Gotta love it
Damn I should have watched this before syngerizing relics…
Thank you for this.
Just got Acheron and her LC and spent 50 pulls only. I’m still in shock but as a F2P this is a major W
Major w indeed. Congratz
absolutely a w as f2p
Congratz. I am extremely jealous.
Wow, congratulations 🎉
You posting this on every guide or what xD
Thanks for the information. Was wondering if Welt's Technique would work like that, nice to see it tested. 💯
Welt stocks going up!
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
As a F2P, I can proudly say that I got my first back to back 5 star today. Bronya (C2 now) and then Acheron. I got Acheron way earlier than anticipated (30 pity), thinking about the lightcone now… Putting my luck out there, Good luck to everyone pulling!!
Me too man, got 3 copies within a single 10 pulls, best thing ever !!! Im also f2p btw. Good luck to everyone.
@@daverwilfred4202 Congrats!! 3 copies of Acheron is insane. C2 Acheron is so good-
Ü@@angelawang7020u believe him 💀
She’s finally here! The moment we’ve all been waiting for lol. I’ve been excited for her for months it seems like. I spent 350 pulls and got her E2S1. Lost only 1 50/50, so am super happy with that. U was hoping for her E2S1 😁
Congrats
FINALLY SOMEONE EXPLAINS OVERWORLD XP FARM POTENTIAL
we're trick snacking with this one
Pokke Sensei, thank you for the guide
She is still strong but yk that you still need a S5 version of all of those 4 star lightcone. And also the longer the fight drag out the more noticeable the different between a S5 GNSW lc and her signature lightcone (she will cast more ultimate). Overall she is still a strong unit but i wish they actually do showcase of her with the s1 version of the 4 star lc alternative.
looking on just the number of flowers gain by acheron herself only, by her 9th turn, she would have loss 1 ulti cast. However, she will continue to improve with incoming characters to buff her playstyle
yeah... "just pull S5 4* LC guys 3head" xD
I'll wait to see some review on her at E0S0 to see if she can clear content without hyperinvesment (some people have godly relics that I'll never get xD)
23:55
exactly. after all this time still no S5 GNSW, and that's on my Kafka anyway. At the same time, you *don't* want your MoC fight to drag on anyway. I'll prolly pull for her lightcone in the end.
It's funny because Gnsw in on her signature lc banner so you might as well just go for her sig
Hanya's skill applying Burden is also not considered a debuff.
NUCLEAR CHARACTER ANALYSIS
THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING
Yeah Imma just get her and use the 4 star lightcone goodnight sleep well. Gonna saved for Firefly. Thanks for the analysis Pokke!
I pulled her LC, because it was easier than pulling GNSW or the future 4* gacha LC 🙃
you’re so real for this, cuz i literally got her signature lc at hard pity and didn’t even get a SINGLE GNSW copy 😭😭
You say that e4 doesn't count as a debuff, but it actually does give a stack of slashed dreams when summoned enemies enters battle, like the dragonfish that the auramaton gatekeeper spawns. Though it's still only 1 stack for the whole action and not 1 per enemy.
Would have liked some comparisons between Fire MC/Gepard/Fu Xuan for sustain with trend of universal market.
Its really helpful, thank you for Analitycs!
Bro, my Acheron is killing it with GNSW. And I’m not even using the path planar set. She’ll be a monster once I get it 😂
Keep up the great work pokke! ❤❤
Likewise, I lost 50/50 to welt light cone (needed it anyway) so I’m still using S5 GNSW and it’s working great, lightning set and Salsotto so when I actually get her weapon and set she will be shredding through MOC
dude you have hands down the best guides
i wach all cc and your guide is the best
Apparently it's 22% better than S5 GNSW so I got it (I dont even have that 4 star LC at S5).
You don't need ANY 5 star LC on anybody. It just makes building them easier.
We saw that with Jingliu LC. F2P Herta one was good enough but we pulled the signature regardless lmao 😂
Gepard just came home 😭
Btw it's not extra 60% dmg buff in trace, but it increases base dmg % of all attacks. For example, her skill's main target will take 1.6*160% of atk dmg instead of just 160% atk dmg. So the value it gives is way higher than simple dmg buff, since dmg buff gets added together before multiplying, so it decreases the actual value as it goes up.
Hard pity and I got a e2 himeko. Thanks hoyo for the blessings 🙏🏽 🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼🖕🏼
Some very good info in this guide. Will come in handy when I win 50/50 later and get her LC early. Surely. Anyway I'm surprised that CN is sleeping on Welt sustain, they're usually ahead of the game on these things, but maybe they don't bother cause they're all going for E2S1+ lol
comparable e2 dhil THIS STATEMENT CHANGES EVERYTHING
Gl to everyone pulling for our queen!
so... any idea when is acheron's rerun? 😭
Mr. Chokke I don't have sparkle since I lost the 50/50 so can I just run Acheron with pela, welt, Gallagher?
Nuclear Acheron Drama
Hey does the slow debuff from Gepards E2 apply a stack of crimson knot? If so would that make him better than Fire MC cause enemies would be getting debuffed on their turn.
They would also be taking more actions since the freeze makes their next attack come out faster. so when they lose freeze they get slow debuff so that's +1 stack and when they attack Gepard with trend LC that's also +1 stack.
Why's there so many bot comments on this one
I'm still shaking right now 220 tickets DOUBLE Acheron pull on a 50/50 did some more got welt and another Acheron, pulled on the light cone banner got her light cone on a 75/25 with 21k jades left I Can't 😭😵
Light cone is 75/25
@@mandom5714 oh, ok
thats wild same thing happended to me. Not shacking but def am shocked atm
I got her in my first 10 pull, and honestly, I'm not going to risk getting her eidolons, I just got the game a few weeks ago and have been struggling without a 'sustain' and heard that Luocha has fallen off, so I'm thinking of going for that one dude with the shields.
Get e2
i used 240+ pulls and only got e0s1. im so pissed
not only you
Whaled to get her E2 . Lost all 50:50 . Got all 5* 80 pulls or more . 😢
LC was way better. Got it with 5 pulls . Previous one with 15 .
@@MariaRodriguez-hb4ix bro my friend got e2s1 completely f2p 😭 lucky mf
Huge help thx for the insight sir
It took me 160 wishes to get Acheron. Back to back rough pulls. It all started with sparkle! 25.6K Jades!!! I really hope all my future pulls aren't like this. Luckily it only took me one 10 pull to get her Light Cone.
Same I Lost 50/50 and got her lc with one ten pulls.
No way thats too relateable to me,i 90 pity to get welt and abt 80 pity to get acheron,then 10 pull for her lightcone
@@wongyiixuanwrss2619 I lost my 50/50 to welt too.
19:30 Silver Wolf also has 8% Def Down from her tallent so with Pela that would be 95% Def down without Resolution LC. Also. Resolution does not give an extra stack for Acheron if another debuff is aplied at the time of the atack as Silver Wolf does on basic, skill and Ult and Pela E4+ on Skill and Ult. Resolution gives Acheron an extra stack only on Pela Basic but you sacrifice Pela 2 turn Ult. I found it better to run Tutorial LC on Pela for 2 Turn Ult and Good Night Sleep Well S5/In the Name of the World (Incessant if you have it) on Silver Wolf and have her as sub DPS.
Acheron, the best waifu in the game deserves her LC. Hence worth it. 😉
May have lost the 50/50 but made up for it with a double Acheron pull and won lightcone rng. E1 S1 for $150 I’ll take it.
With the damage calc he now can say "SAVE ME E2S1 ACHERON!!!"
I may not have needed it but I wanted it
I'm watching this even though I have her LC just so I can be with all the people of unlucky position.
My plan as a mid-luck player: pull her and her lightcone, wait for rerun and stack stellar jades, pull for e1 and e2
so signature is 13% to 26% better than a S5 gnsw
that's quiet significant to insane
it also improves the experience by reducing the ramp up period
I know, I still pulled the LC.
Instructions unclear, got Acheron e0s1
Can drop preservation trends later when her patner support arrives. But for now, trend is a must mostly.
What path does her future support follow?
@@dalandannNihility.
For E0S0 you might actually still run FMC with trends, since there's no faster way to charge ult.
Especially for PF
@@sirsuntar8717 well probably yea for PF. For MoC prob not. So u have consistent debuff, even when jiao ulti downtime. Jiao also applies debuff to enemy every action they take during his ulti duration, so it wont stack with trends, as acheron talent cap at 1 stack per action.
So using him + MC trends kinda bad. MC still can taunt ofc, but need SP and trend wont generate any acheron stack during jiao ulti. When jiao ulti on cooldown, then trends can generate stack again, we dunno how long the downtime of jiao will be as for now.
@@invertbridwasn't aware of those leaks. nvm then :D
no luck for me but still here for some good info.edited (I got her in the end).
@MrPokke pin this
To anyone doing overworld in 2.0 total xp per character in a map clear is 100k new patch calcs Im still doing so I will update you all here on my next day since I 100ted the map.
Edit: Here is the data now for those psychos that love Overworld farming.
116144 xp earned per character (464k) ~103 TP
Creds 63822 earned - ~26 TP
Time spent 58 minutes (about an hour)
12 minutes were Herta station and Belobog
19 minutes Luofu
27 minutes Penacony
In 2.0 alone before Acheron it took me ~3 HOURS to clear the map.
This woman alone eats a minimum of 80 bags of chips, how she is not getting fat is beyond me she has a god damn black hole in her stomach
pokke was busy using his cursed technique on CCs that were pulling for acheron 😂 so this video came in late
E4S1 and climbing to a dream.
Welt sustain was a foot note 😮
So i asume the mighty DHIL has fallen and acheron has taken the throne now?
Damnnnnn you telling me E2 DHIL got powercrept??? by E2 Acheron... My wallet's hurting
THanks!! I've been breaking my head trying to figure out and finding simulations all over the internet to see if she really needs it, I saw some simulations were her dmg as S0E0 with GNSW s5 is comparable with Jingliu S0E0 too, I'm fine with that
yeap, jl better ofc, but not significantly. and it's ok, anyway.
Holy shit man, memory reboot at start fits too much
Great guide
whale commentary: yeahh so without her signature her 0 cycle is about 20 seconds slower so you really need to get that otherwise the units noit really worth the time or investment
Normal commentary: Acheron is hot and with just her best team she performs on par with the other strongest teams and shes also hot 10/10 recommend
Wow… who would’ve guessed… since I watched all the previous videos from the other CCs… but what’s this? I’m still watching this… absolutely unfathomable
I die die need the lightcone, simply because GNSW is stucked with Kafka and it is not even s5, it is impossible to get 2 copies of S5 GNSW for both kafka and acheron in the short period of time so I must get acheron lc. It sucks that her lightcone is so limited, most of Nihility lc is for dot chars. If there is a f2p option pretty sure nobody would want to pull for her lc
if im having dps i'd get her LC like whats the point of dps anymore
as a f2p peasant, is E0+GNSW Acheron better than E0+hertastore Jingliu?
If we are talking only about Damage then Yes but Acheron also requires 2 nihility debuffers.. so overall will say jingliu is more f2p friendly
Only at S5
Jingliu fits into more team comps. Acheron wants nihility characters too, not just for the Big Trace, but also because any unit that can apply debuff during turn & ult, will make her able to ult more. That said, Jingliu has some issues against enemies with high Ice Resist. So in terms of enemies Acheron is more versatile.
Archeron would have better ceiling I would assume
@Tiasung people seem to forget ratio needs debuffs as well for him to properly work. It's just a different unit
Wouldn't ruan mei also be good she provides debuff and also weakness break is easier?
so... between SW+pela vs BS E1 + sw/pela, which is actually kinda better?? also, does BS need to ult a lot? better to use err for her?
If you have Kafka's LC on your E1 Black Swan, then no need to maintain BS Ult debuff since the Erode effect already counts as a Shock and proc the lightning res down effect of E1 Black Swan
For a beginner like me should i pull for acheron or wait for jingliu?
For a beginner Jing Liu is easier than Acheron
I'm in the same boat as you and I'll get Jingliu, because she just a lot easier to build and unlike Acheron she has a great F2P 5star LC option from Herta's shop.
Pokke do you know the stats from the preservation mc from the video ?
Having an higher Base Atk iirc don't specifically give Atk% a better value without giving value to all other multipliers. having higher base atk just mean than your character we'll do higher damage overall. and reduce the value of flat atk. Atk% remain with the same value compared to other multiplier because they all benefit from higher base atk. it's a common mistake ppl think i have to say.
Me reading all the guides and tips how to build archeron
while my wallet & jades are at 0
💀
If I only have S2 Trend of Universal, is it still better to use Trend Sustain compared to E4 Gallagher ?
Trend is fine at S1, you just need to build EHR.
I already have goodnight sleep well in use with kafka, what should i do? :(
Buy Fermata from Shop and run both of them together is an option
Or run Sampo/BS alongside her if you have them
hi guys, how can i unlock pioneers diver of dead waters??? i cant find it in my list of grindable relics
Do the Penacony Trailblazer Mission! It's story locked unlike the Trace materials which u can still get.
@@averagecommander oh story locked...thanks so much!!! Guess this is gonna take a while cuz I'm still stuck at trying to beat the trash cans
I should have watched this vid earlier cause I wasted my $100+ pulling for Acheron LC only to lose 75/25 on the 79th pull. Having anxiety now and taking a long time recovering from this… and I already had GNSW S5 way earlier on my kafka.
If you had Welt her best team comp would be Bronya, Pela and Welt sustain while she uses the Loop lc.
how come everyone said her S1 is mandatory and now everonye says its not 💀
This has been a subtle trend with hsr. Content creators(not all,lol) and random commenters doom posting about characters and what they have to offer and people listen and take it too seriously and then blow them out of proportion. Yada yada. Good ol bandwagon.
@@Gesfalthe fr
If you take 20% off 100, its still bigger than 70. If it was just simple numbers, everyone would see 100*0.8 and conclude "80 is bigger than 70", but when add in enough variation that people don't understand the numbers anymore, their gut reaction is to think that having 20% less on 1 side must mean its less than the other. I think think this is effectively what happened with Acheron, where E0S1 Acheron might be like a 100, E0 S5GNSW Acheron might be with Jingliu or DHIL+sparkle as like an 80, and the average dps (that actually sees use) is probably a 70.
In particular, I think this effect happened with her her ult. Not having S1 means that she gets 1 less stack per skill. A small porition of people genuinely thought this makes her one of the slowest ults in the game (and this was on a video where she ulted almost every cycle). If she had a 3-4 turn ult, as some people were speculating, she would in fact suck. She's pretty much twice as good as people incorrectly speculated without doing the math.
Her S1 isn't mandatory *IF* you can already achieve 2 turn ult with GNSW S5 (basically it's still mandatory if you don't have Trend and high superimposition GNSW).
@@exu7325 No its not. You have 10 cycles to complete MOC. Acheron is S+ tier with GNSW S5 and optimal team comp. If you get rid of some of those factors, she might drop to A tier. A tier characters can quite reasonably clear MOC.
Plus getting 2 turn ult cycle is very reasonable. 2 nihilities and the stacks she gets from ult already put you about there.
Like I said, if you take 20% off 100, its still more than 70, or in this case more like 50 because I think an optimally set up E0S0 Acheron already does over double the damage MOC requires.
Thank you bro
Welt+Huohuo+Black Swan techs combined doesn't seem to work even with Acheron S1. After landing all the debuffs you only start the fight with 7 stacks instead of 9.
She inded doesn't need it but it'll take a while and u can only use skill since u dont have her sig
Took me 180 pulls, but E0S1 Acheron is so worth it on my profile page. Dont know if she is strong tho, havent used her yet
I need some advice,
I am a new player level 26 and i got Archeron at 83 pity.Should i go for the lightcone banner ?
totally if you can make it. then get a good sustain
I‘d say no and go for Aventurine. He’s gonna be of much more value for your account than Acheron’s LC
i wish he gave more e2 comps
mrpokke what do you think of acheron, SW and black swan + Shield/healer? do you think SW and black swan make a good team for her or should i remove black swan and build pela?
BS doesn't give as much utility as Pela even with E1. You also miss out on having two Nihility so Pela should be better than BS.
@@Hidea98 miss on 2 nihilty how? sw and black swan are nihility bro
@@Mr_wisk Woops Brain lag. Only consideration if you're E1 BS tho.
I got her E0S1 now, should i pull for E2, Luocha or wait for Aventurine or Jingliu? I have around 11k Jades left and we will get more pulls ofc as the patch goes on.
While trying to get one copy or Acheron I ended up with E6 Gallager. You are saying just use MC + Trends lightcone over him?
Why there isnt ruan mei.
having to watch the S1 is overhyped section on loop and i fear it's not working too well
My limited 5 stars are: Seele, Jing Yuan, DanIL, Sparkle.
Unfortunately this means I'm probably skipping her for Adventurine.
on the gunaifen , acheron , pela team , if i were to use a gepard instead of fire mc would it still work? gunaifen e0 , acheron e1 , pela e6 , gepard e0 with his light con , also i dont have acheron LC
The Gepard or TB is only there to carry Trend of the Universal Market LC. If you don’t have that, then the fourth slot sustain doesn’t matter, I don’t think
How about welt? In place of silverwolf? Is it not good?
lost on lc banner to welt lc, dont know if i still want to try to get it but i''ll probably just pull on lc until i get gnsw s5 but i still think about hitting it because i have guaranteed so if i get it early its w if i don't i will just wait for other cracked lc
i dont have sweaty lightcone what should use on pela?
also for 2nd nihility i have Sampo and Guinaifen who should i use?
my Acheron is E0S1
SW or Tutorial if you have them, otherwise just throw whatever on her.
Guinaifen is better than Sampo, easier debuff stacking + vulnerability through Firekiss
Is Pela still better if I have e2 SW and e2 sparkle? (And e2 Acheron)
I'm less concerned about AoE def down when Acheron annihilates non elites anyway.
Mmm too late. Already bought the light cone. Let’s be friends! lol!
I swear mr pokke just assumes everyone can read Chinese
is the final damage increase from her passive unique? iirc theres no other character passive or light cone passive that boosts “final damage”
i got cucked by yang again now have a useless e2 yang lol I can still get her in the next 2 or 3 weeks but not her cone so gnsw it is I guess lol