Interesting thought! That would explain why PB considers them so powerful and dangerous, and potentially even why Moe might have tried to send them to Mars. If people wanted to colonize Mars, making sure they had an ample energy supply once they got there is a good idea. Not sure how to reconcile that with the fact that Moe apparently knew there was already a society on Mars since shooting nuclear reactors at them could obviously be perceived as an act of war. Maybe he didn't know it was an active society, and assumed it was empty/abandoned?
Also, if they were nuclear reactors in disguise, wouldn't their destruction result in a larger, more cataclysmic explosion? I'm not an expert on nuclear physics (yet) but that assumption still holds weight, right?
Mikey Mod they are likely thousands of years old and have run out of fuel, remember that it is still quite difficult to sustain a nuclear reaction even when there is fuel available
The Fire Giants are obviously Pre War Military Robots - the door Fire Princess cuts through is a military blast door - The Fire Kingdom was a hotbed of Nuclear Detonations. The target was everything on top of the Fire Giants. When Flame Princess talks about a new fire kingdom - shes reffering to using the Fire Giants presumed Nuclear Launch Capacity - Also Moe and MoeCo built the fire giants on contract for the government, obviously.
What if the fire giants are weapons? We've seen how much damage the fire giants can do, by creating a volcanic wasteland in Ooo. What if Moe's schematic was a plan of attack?
Jedijazz4 Mars is extremely cold. Maybe the plan was to melt it’s icecaps and spread warm water across the planet, making it habitable. (This obviously only is a possibility if there was no knowledge of the mars society and there were plans of colonizing mars)
I was under the impression that the Fire Giants were simply superweapons created by Moe before the Mushroom War kicked off, hence why in the legend they came hurtling out of the blue. Their explosions combined with the newly released magic in the world to create the Fire Kingdom and it's people. Regarding Moe spotting the Martian society, that's probably the case.
This new theory makes total sense. But, I'm more interested in the king of Mars himself. I'm still fuzzy on the details but hasn't the show implied that he actually was the same Abe Lincoln that was a US president at some point or another. There was even Martian lore that implied that Abe Lincoln was some kind of ascended ancient Earthling, who eventually came to Mars and was basically crowned God King of the planet. My guess is that in his free time he still lived on earth and eventually became a US president. after his supposed death he just decided to live on Mars permanently. So when he sacrificed himself to save Jake (by becoming mortal), all Death had to do was allow the original gunshot to finally be able to kill him in the present. Or alternatively perhaps Lincoln did not become are US president until after he sacrificed himself for Jake. This would mean that he was made Mortal and transported into the past became US president and then was killed.
He's on the penny, he turns into the statue, and as you said he gives up his immortality with a gunshot sound in the background, so yeah - it seems he very well may have been the US President somehow at some point. There's so many endless possibilities when it comes to that level of "magic" and we don't have that much information about Lincoln to actually craft decent assumptions. In the video, I just wanted to stress that Lincoln existing many thousands of years ago isn't a problem in any way, because obviously he's based on the historical Lincoln but stretched across time and space. Of course if you assume Gunter's flashback montage was a continuity error that screwed the timeline up, everything becomes much "cleaner" in a way, but when has Adventure Time ever been clean?
+Uncivilized Elk the creators arent perfect, yes. this timeline is either flawed or we just dont have enough info. at first i thought that abe asked moe a favor that is to build that dome. but i would go with ur theory about how he was studying instead of building the dome.
Uncivilized Elk Seeing has how the character was planned even back from the pilot, I just can't see it as a continuity error. Like you said it's probably just a cosmic or magic thing. Like with Prismo and his death.
She’s one of my least favorite characters on the show. I just can’t really get into her arcs and development, and when I do she always ends up doing something genuinely wrong and never gets punished for it. Like the show acts like she’s one of the good guys when she is, in my opinion, actually really disposable. I don’t get what Marceline sees in her
@@Argos_RB As she developed throughout the show, she eventually learned the things she did was bad. People can change and become better. She was born from a hivemind, always with others, and when she separated, with her brother Neddy, she had to make all the decisions, since Neddy was so sensitive to the world, that he couldnt understand or comprehend it without fear. So she made a family for herself, Who all are little parts of her. Aunt Lolly was her kindness, Cousin Chile was the life of the party, and Uncle Gumbald was her smarts, wits, and need for control. Gumbald wanted to be in control, and planned to use Dumdum juice on Bonnie to make her dumber, and more innocent, which, she felt betrayed, as her only source of familial love was shattered. They became the first candy people, and her mentality was shown.. ".. Well.. Now they aren't fighting.. they seem happier this way.." Her initial exposure as a child led up to how she was as an adult- A very Obsessive, Controlling, and Mildly Manipulative Princess, as she used the Dumdum juice as an extract to create the rest of her candy kingdom, who she intentionally made less smart than they should have been, so she could keep them in tabs, and wouldnt worry about betrayal. In this, however, over time, she learns that it isn't always going to work. The stress eats at her, and she learns that, her old tactics, and her methods, aren't working. So she questions whether or not theyre good methods. Its fascinating, since Bonnibel never had the opportunity to ever think "is this the wrong way to go about this" since nothing had ever questioned or put it in question. She had no clue it was -wrong- to start with. It comes to a point when she develops enough to allow the candy kingdom to develop on its own, without her control, and starts to relinquish any need for it, that she starts to become a better person. No, she didnt start as a good character, and over time, from what we learned, she was honestly not a good person. But we cant hate people forever. As people become better, change, grow, and are kinder, and learn from their mistakes, we need to be able to learn to forgive and accept. Of course, we dont have to. Its up to the individual to forgive. But The chance is there. When people learn to become better, to be better, the chance should be given to allow them to grow and be kind. But thats my take.
@@karmageddon9047 I actually partially rewatched the show on HBO in this time, and I guess you’re right. Still tho, sometimes she can be hella infuriating
You missed one appearance, look at the guardian protecting the islands where the last humans live, I suspect that Mo was trying to build a shelter, based on the Mars dome, however, considering the technology we see in those brief clips, I kind of suspect that this was BEFORE the mushroom war. The notable stonehenges that appear in the window might also imply that Mo is far older than you think. And considering Ooh has a massive upheaval every thousand years, the time frame of ancient egypt to the mushroom war may not be all that long
This could be in an alternate universe where Earth didn’t lose nearly 1000 years of technological development, and nuclear war happened in a time closer to Abe Lincoln’s life some 200 years ago in our time.
I kinda feel that due to the Martians relying on Grob Gob Glob and Grod with a sword to strike down Orgalorg, that they didn't have as advanced technology and that it grew alongside earth. Therefore, when the time came for the Martian society to develop into a dense inhabited area, they required more science to sustain them and Abe Lincoln with his omniscience contacted Moe, as detailed in your theory. Also, the volcanic landscape might have been created by the huge amounts of augmented rocket fuel to power them.
Patrick Hughes a God with a flaming space sword is too primitive for you? Adventure Time is all about swords my dude, I think GGGG is about as advanced as it gets. Magic and science go hand in hand in this show, so the sword is only pertinent.
I think the timeline in adventure time is actually quite a bit shorter than it's talked about in the show. It is possible when characters talk about time it convoluted and mixed up because of lost knowledge and the drastic changes in the earth's landscape. For instance, the wizards are using advanced technology but they have no idea how they are doing what they are doing. Maybe the story of orgalorg was much later in time like after the mushroom war, but it was forgotten by humans. There are so many possibilities with this show
I think the tower on the Blueprint is an addition Mo was designing to the Martian bubble, and the Giants where transporting them when the mushroom war started.
The fire giants obviously aren't rockets though, they're asymmetrical, not aerodynamic, are not uniform in design and do not appear to have any dexterity in their limbs. Also people tend not to launch multiple rockets to do the same job at the same time. It's highly doubtful that they were ever intended to move themselves through conventional space time.
I agree. Additionally, if the purpose was communication, what was the purpose of building them with such daunting appearances. I don't disbelieve the theory, I just have trouble believing they were built for communication or even travel to the Martian society.
***** Ice's king's beard was designed by the suppressed innermost wishes of a genetically modified dinosaur caused by farther issues, moments before a mass extinction event. The Fire Giants were created by a genius who would make his designs aerodynamic.
This is so awesome. I love your theory videos so much, especially when more comes out to support them. Like the fact that according to Distant Lands before BMO met Finn & Jake he was supposed to go to Mars, and he was bringing food with him, which is something that he wouldn't need for himself. It would also make sense that Moe sent BMO after the Fire Giants because they were shot down and he knew strength wasn't the way, so he went with love, hince sending BMO. If only Olive hadn't interrupted BMO then we'd know for sure, but then again if she hadn't the entire space situation would have been destroyed and it's quite possible Tree Trunks would have never met her Space Husband and Princess Bubblegum would have never been able to get her ships to the alien planet to keep the Candy Kingdom going after its demise on Ooo, and who knows maybe the Grey Princess wouldn't be on Ooo 1000+ having tea with Shermy and Beth.
this is really fascinating but i have to ask ... are you rewatching each episodes to notice these stuff ? or just remembering something and then building it all together ?
Technically both. The latter when it comes to just having/thinking up an idea, but afterward when I decide to make a video on that idea, I do the former to revise that idea if necessary and make sure I didn't miss something important.
Absolutely great analysis! Loved hearing your thoughts on this, you gave me a totally new perspective on some important AT lore. Hope you're having a good day btw.
tbh i think all moe creations are meant to have a mission in mars cuz i think bmo fist mission was to build a potato farm in mars but he got lost in a wacky space advanture and ended up back in earth and meeting jack and finn at that moment
Nice theory... although I’d like the idea that Moe had to make repairs or adjustments to the society bubble on Mars! Which would explain the blueprint... maybe my boi Abe reaches out to Moe to make the bubble better 🤷🏽♂️
I really like this theory, because it explains a lot of the lore more precisely than the forums I've seen on the Internet. However there is one thing I would disagree on, and that is intent. In the same way that one does not meet a neighboring country with a huge army for a welcome party, I do not believe Moe created the Giants for a "hello to Mars!" reason. If Moe could somehow glance past their forcefields, could he not also send a message past them, in a form they could understand? Moe is a human, and humans are notorious for bringing weapons to colonize neighboring beings. I believe the diagram of the Martian landscape was for tactical reasons, and the Giants in order to attack Mars. I mean, earth was probably fairly crummy, what with the sudden destruction of humanity and nuclear fallout + winter. It's possible he sent the Giants to conquer Mars so that he could live in their super society away from the troubles of Earth. After that, I totally agree with the rest of your theory!
I agree, PB is fears for her kingdom and its ability to defend against the fire giants. To the point of nearly killing the people of the fire kingdom to force them to look to her for help so she can get close enough to disable them. If you really wanted to say hi, youd send a spaceship with something like moe to say hello. Not fleet of robots that may or may not hold potentially atomic weapons, or any weapons for that matter. If they can create the fire kingdom, it means they turn any kingdom into a volcanic landscape.
Do not forget that in You Forgot Your Floaties, it is stated that Glob has "ancient human D.N.A" so at some point Mars and Earth interacted. Also remember that in Evergreen, you can see a ruinous pillar with engravings on it and that the bad lands were once shown with part of the statue of liberty's arm in the background so they've gone through massive geological changes since civilisation fell. There is no telling as to exactly what happened.
another cool link between Moe and Mars is that BMO was sent to terraform Mars (or at least get potatoes there) at the start of his Distant Lands episode
In Sweet Pea/the Lich’s speech with KOO, he said monsters existed in the very beginning. You could see Orgalorg in one of the monsters. What do you think about this?
Great theory! In my mind, it’s canon. I think that Moe’s character is a wholesale reference to another person from a work of post-apocalyptic fiction: Isaac Edward Leibowitz from A Canticle for Leibowitz. Both he and Moe are: •Jewish •Electrical engineers and good with mechanics •Survive a violent apocalypse •Live in the desert •Don’t necessarily save the world themselves, but lay the groundwork for others to do so. •Want their knowledge to live on after they are gone.
Wait if flame princess said there is only a few what if there were not only six but more seeing the possibility that there were some that never returned back to earth and ended up lost or drifting is space due to an unknown reason and possibly creating other civilizations in other planets or maybe they are just drifting out there
It looks interesting to me that outside with the fire giants in construction there are rocks formed like stonehenge which it could means that it was way in the past or something like that.
I’d like to think Abe Lincoln contacted Moe about restarting Mar’s magnetic core and gave him the schematics of his super society to help get an idea of how he should set up the fire giants. Would also help explain why they would create the fire kingdom.
I believe it was meant for war with the Martian, since its' a protector giant of Fire Kingdom it must meant that its' must have quite capabilities in combat. Due to such a major defeat to the Martian Moe's body almost decapitated whole but he manages to recreate a synthetic replacement and that's why he has been hiding these whole years under factory bunker. He maybe have major connection with the Mushroom /Attached Soul Atomic Lich-Bomb (ASAL-Bomb)
Has anyone checked the details in "You Forgot Your Floaties" to see if it has any clues to this? I could totally believe that the fire giants would be the reason that Magic Man/Normal Man built Margles.
look outside of Moe's window there are Stones for a stone circle. that means that Moe probably build the Fire Giant Ages ago. another use would be for them to be used on Mars to make the other areas livable too?
Related to the episode, I have some serious problems with PB. I love her because she is cool and geeky and rules her people really well. However, I also hate her because she is so manipulative and single minded! She actually weakened the fire people for her own gains! But then again, she loves each and every one of her candy people! Does anyone else have this problem?
I would like to see the Peacemaster reappear. Also, PB seems totally okay with Peppermint Butler doing this crazy stuff. ven though PB cares deeply about her people, she still lets Pep Butts do all his creepy stuff, like possessing Cinnamon Bun with a demon. Then we see her interact with Marceline and it is obvious that they have a really deep friendship and we see that PB actually has a heart. She is a really complex character and I think that, despite the constant troubles that she causes by overlooking something (I.e, Treetrunk's space family) she really does care about her subjects.
Yes... maybe he was a demon that possessed a candy person. Because, as we see in The Vault, a younger version of Pep Butts presents Shoko with her new arm. Since PB is building her kingdom and we have the earlier versions of the banana guards and the first appearance of the gumball guardians, we can presume that that was when Peppermint Butler was created. With all those years between Shoko and Finn, Peppermint Butler still being around, there is a possibility that something went wrong along the way. Peppermint Butler is still one of my favorite candy people though. Starchy and Cinnamon Bun included.
Imagine you've got about thirty puppies in your arms. And you let them play in a little playpen. But imagine those Puppis never grow old, and are forever puppies, constantly trying to eat things they shouldn't and trying to get out, even if it means they might fall and crack their head open and die. You'd want to protect them. And if basicly every other person you knew when you were younger had betrayed you or lied to you in some way, your be wary about wanting to even let the puppies become smarter. And even if theres someone with a bunch of guns next door, even if that person hasent done anything wrong before, you'd want to get rid of the guns, just in case the off chance that someone could use them against your puppies would happen. Just in case. And along the way, you'd become obsessed with protecting your Puppies, going in and out of stages where you're borderline psycho to protect them(all bublegums spy cameras and killing flame princesses fire giants), and when its just all become so much that you don't even have the energy to care for a while(when the king of Ooo took over the castle and bublgum was just like 'fine screw you all I'll just live in my log cabin for a break) Idk I just really like bubblegum and personally can see logic in everything she does, weather that logic is because of past betrayals or just how her personality works.
I think the biggest point the show is trying to make is that PB is trying to be a great and strong ruler but is really just a little girl grown up too fast. They are trying to show the human element to ruling a people. Honestly if you ever get to a position of power you might just realize how stupid us humans are. We are rarely so different from the candy people
I'm curioous about learning more about Moe himself. I like to imagine that he had a human son, and Amo got jealous of him and decided to leave or sneak around the factory unnoticed(explains all the symbols like "Love Me" writen on the vents in "that room in the factory"). Mo, not knowing where Amo was, then created BMO to be friends with his son... and well. Amo probally got more and more jealous of this. I really like this part of the story alot. It's nothing grand, but it was vague enough to make me take it apart and make a theory like this.
My headcanon is that Abe went on a mission to earth in a vain attempt to kill gunter to avoid him causing chaos on earth via atomic warfare. This resulted in him getting shot and basically saying fuck you people... OR the atomic bomb had some sort of magical booster that warped reality, causing historical figures to be resurrected and scattered to the winds of time
Just throwing this out there as an idea. For years there was a really popular theory that there WAS a living society on Mars! It began in 1877 when Giovanni Schiaperelli thought he saw "canals" on the red planet. Astronomers would report that new ones were being "built" all the time. Maybe this just turned out to be true in Adventure Time.
Even if you couldn't see that the resemblence between the blueprint and the dome, you can see the word "MARS" written across the top of the blueprint - the two "notes" in the top left point the the top of the M
There are some continuity errors that could be attributed to accidents but personally I've always wondered if some of the events shown retrospectively in adventure time are of a different time all together. (Westworld s1 spoiler>) Narratives are sometimes revealed to the audience out of chronological sequence such as all the events shown in Westworld occurring at two different points in time. One key theme of adventure time is occurrences being cyclic such as the catalyst comet, or the primary governing forces in pre mushroom war earth and adventure time earth clashing and waging a war that would threaten the planet. Moe could have been around for millennia, surviving through each cycle and creating the Mars society before the events of orgalorgs banishment to earth. This show is so much fun to talk and think about.
I know this is like a year late but... in the episode where finn meets moe he asks if moe is human. Moe says "My skin is human" or something like it implying he's not but is wearing the skin of a human.
Abraham Lincoln actually totally matches his historical counterpart. Abraham Lincoln was well known for his freakishly long arms and his face that was simultaneously nothing to look at yet so beautiful that not even the most skilled artist could do it justice. Clearly Abraham Lincoln was totally an alien king of another planet.
In the scene with moe constructing the firegiants there are megalith structures next to the construction site. It's not much to go of, but it could mean that moe did indeed exist since the neolithic aera, or traveled back in time to father the martian society.
With distant lands, we have another proof of the link between Moe and Mars, as BMO was sent to mars to plant some spuds but ended up deviating from his destination...
My oppinion is that Moe as the smartest robot constructor in the Land of Ooo was simply asked to repair the Fire Giants sometimes, and could be even asked for help on Mars, so the blueprint could be sent to him from Mars.
I think the Bubble blueprint in Moe’s lab was maybe a replacement one built on Earth before the Mushroom War and towed to Mars after the first one was destroyed by GOLB in the process of taking Margles from Magic Man. The Fire Giants just towed the Bubble to Mars and malfunctioned on the way back crashing into what would become the Fire Kingdom because of the Mushroom War taking out what could have been Mission Control which were controlling the Giants.
Other possible explanation: Mo DID plan Mars and all that, and once it was done, Abraham Lincoln used some sort of magic/science to make it exist throughout the past, present, and future. It may be a slight stretch, but seeing how little we know of the lore, it could be a possibility.
I think that Moe noticed the Marsian society and somehow got those blueprints and wanted to use that bubble tehnology for the fire giants.But Marsians noticed the giants and they destroyed some of them creating the fire kingdom.They did it because Moe used theire thehnology.
I always thought they just made oxygen, because fire needs oxygen and such a large kingdom of fire would need a large amount of oxygen. The reason they seem to turn off with a whoosh when the energy core is extracted is because the oxygen in the system is let go. They weren't really meant to take too much damage because they were just storage. I thought the story that fire princess tells us was a bit far-fetched since they break easily and that it was embellished as time went by.
I believe your first theory holds up. If you look out Mo’s window there are multiple henges, possibly placing his timeline before ancient Egypt and Orgelorg.
Moe reminds me of Robert House from New Vegas, both geniuses with successful companies and surviving the apocalypse and having special augmented medical equipments that makes them immortal
Before watching, what I think: 1) the Martian society has been there for *at least* a thousand years. 2) both Moe and BMO are younger than that. So, probably Moe was just studying their technology and trying to replicate their nuclear source of energy. Now, probably it either a) went wrong and Moe gave up on it; or b) it served Moe's purpose, which had been to help the incipient fire people all the time.
I think that that you are forgetting that the mushroom war wasn't a single event. It was a war. I find it much more likely that Mow was contracted to build the fire giants as some sort of weapon to fight in the mushroom war, but something went wrong and the crashed down to earth, killing civilians and creating the fire kingdom. In his shame, Moe became a recluse, hiding in his factory. I agree that the blue prints are based off of what Moe saw on Mars,however, I think they served a different purpose. The Mars Dome blue prints, may have been designed as a new dome for humans on earth to live, protecting them from the mutated world. But Moe never built it because of his despair.
I dont think any of you guys say this but five seconds into the video you see a handle which just might bea door that leads to the space ship inside which might make sense cause theres not much known about them
Pre Mushroom War, Mars wouldn't need a cloaking device, per se, just a way to make it seem like something that could easily be explained away as a camera artifact or some such. After the War, it could have been clearly visible, but only people like Moe would have the tech or the knowledge to observe it and correctly deduce what it was.
Maybe Abraham Lincoln in AT is actually the real Abe Lincoln, as he fought the vampires during the Civil War. Then possibly got infected by a vampire as he have out lived his times for milleniums, but managed to cure himself of vapirism just before building his settlement on Mars.
My theory was that Moe was trying to replicate the martian shield to protect (something) from the mushroom war. Or maybe to create/protect a moon colony, as seen in the AT comic #39
I'd argue the fire giants could have ben weapons more than communication devices, given how FP's brother treated them as such and they certainly had the capability to be weapons.
I find it interesting how everyone is assuming the fire giants have arms but I just realized what if they are just rockets and and the perceived arms are just tech tubes
i really like this theory a lot so i'm going to choose to believe that moe was simply following the teachings of someone before him. and that he himself didn't build the fire giants and such but maybe an ancestor or teacher of his did.
moe actually states he's a thousand years old in be more! meaning he was born around the time of the previous comet/marceline/the mushroom war
And he survives a thousand years after Fin and Jake.
@@gamerse7en560 No lol he died before the last episode of Adventure Time It was se in The more you moe in 2015
@@rejuno1991 im talking about bmo
GamerSe7en yeah but the original comment wasn’t about bmo
GamerSe7en where did bmo come from the original comment never said anything bout bmo lol
Doesn't that mean BMO is older than the Fire Kingdom?
Yes it does
BMO is Immortal.
Hes about as immortal as his batteries let him be.
The King of Ooo is eternal!
Sarfnic Games well BMO is older then every one now, cause they all dead 💀
My personal opinion is that the "Fire Giants" are nuclear reactors.
Interesting thought! That would explain why PB considers them so powerful and dangerous, and potentially even why Moe might have tried to send them to Mars. If people wanted to colonize Mars, making sure they had an ample energy supply once they got there is a good idea.
Not sure how to reconcile that with the fact that Moe apparently knew there was already a society on Mars since shooting nuclear reactors at them could obviously be perceived as an act of war. Maybe he didn't know it was an active society, and assumed it was empty/abandoned?
Also, if they were nuclear reactors in disguise, wouldn't their destruction result in a larger, more cataclysmic explosion? I'm not an expert on nuclear physics (yet) but that assumption still holds weight, right?
Mikey Mod they are likely thousands of years old and have run out of fuel, remember that it is still quite difficult to sustain a nuclear reaction even when there is fuel available
lucascb Oh okay. Makes sense.
Mikey Mod also they are slumbering in the song, which could mean inactive.
Wooooooooooaaaaaahh, I haven't noticed the Fire Giants on this Moe episode at all, genius!
It was on the season finale I think
The Fire Giants are obviously Pre War Military Robots - the door Fire Princess cuts through is a military blast door -
The Fire Kingdom was a hotbed of Nuclear Detonations. The target was everything on top of the Fire Giants.
When Flame Princess talks about a new fire kingdom - shes reffering to using the Fire Giants presumed Nuclear Launch Capacity -
Also Moe and MoeCo built the fire giants on contract for the government, obviously.
Ghost Tripper this makes a lot more sense
So princess bubblegum is afraid of the fire giants because the fire giants can make oo into a gigantic fire kingdom
@@windykar3705 bubble gum even makes a comment about how the giants are to dangerous because they could destroy her kingom.
this seems more promising
Ah yes
Obviously
What if the fire giants are weapons? We've seen how much damage the fire giants can do, by creating a volcanic wasteland in Ooo. What if Moe's schematic was a plan of attack?
rumblegrey against mars for some reason?
Jedijazz4
Mars is extremely cold. Maybe the plan was to melt it’s icecaps and spread warm water across the planet, making it habitable.
(This obviously only is a possibility if there was no knowledge of the mars society and there were plans of colonizing mars)
Why am I watching adventure time theories when I haven’t watched an episode of adventure time in years...
I have only ever seen one but I find this stuff fascinating
I was under the impression that the Fire Giants were simply superweapons created by Moe before the Mushroom War kicked off, hence why in the legend they came hurtling out of the blue. Their explosions combined with the newly released magic in the world to create the Fire Kingdom and it's people. Regarding Moe spotting the Martian society, that's probably the case.
This new theory makes total sense. But, I'm more interested in the king of Mars himself. I'm still fuzzy on the details but hasn't the show implied that he actually was the same Abe Lincoln that was a US president at some point or another. There was even Martian lore that implied that Abe Lincoln was some kind of ascended ancient Earthling, who eventually came to Mars and was basically crowned God King of the planet. My guess is that in his free time he still lived on earth and eventually became a US president. after his supposed death he just decided to live on Mars permanently. So when he sacrificed himself to save Jake (by becoming mortal), all Death had to do was allow the original gunshot to finally be able to kill him in the present. Or alternatively perhaps Lincoln did not become are US president until after he sacrificed himself for Jake. This would mean that he was made Mortal and transported into the past became US president and then was killed.
He's on the penny, he turns into the statue, and as you said he gives up his immortality with a gunshot sound in the background, so yeah - it seems he very well may have been the US President somehow at some point. There's so many endless possibilities when it comes to that level of "magic" and we don't have that much information about Lincoln to actually craft decent assumptions. In the video, I just wanted to stress that Lincoln existing many thousands of years ago isn't a problem in any way, because obviously he's based on the historical Lincoln but stretched across time and space.
Of course if you assume Gunter's flashback montage was a continuity error that screwed the timeline up, everything becomes much "cleaner" in a way, but when has Adventure Time ever been clean?
+Uncivilized Elk the creators arent perfect, yes. this timeline is either flawed or we just dont have enough info. at first i thought that abe asked moe a favor that is to build that dome. but i would go with ur theory about how he was studying instead of building the dome.
Uncivilized Elk Seeing has how the character was planned even back from the pilot, I just can't see it as a continuity error. Like you said it's probably just a cosmic or magic thing. Like with Prismo and his death.
Or he somehow became the Mars King after he was the US President, due to time travel.
+PetruciosXD =) or clones there could be two Lincoln's
PB is actually really messed up when you think about it
She's full of issues
She don't deserve such a happy ending
She’s one of my least favorite characters on the show. I just can’t really get into her arcs and development, and when I do she always ends up doing something genuinely wrong and never gets punished for it. Like the show acts like she’s one of the good guys when she is, in my opinion, actually really disposable. I don’t get what Marceline sees in her
@@Argos_RB As she developed throughout the show, she eventually learned the things she did was bad. People can change and become better. She was born from a hivemind, always with others, and when she separated, with her brother Neddy, she had to make all the decisions, since Neddy was so sensitive to the world, that he couldnt understand or comprehend it without fear. So she made a family for herself, Who all are little parts of her. Aunt Lolly was her kindness, Cousin Chile was the life of the party, and Uncle Gumbald was her smarts, wits, and need for control. Gumbald wanted to be in control, and planned to use Dumdum juice on Bonnie to make her dumber, and more innocent, which, she felt betrayed, as her only source of familial love was shattered. They became the first candy people, and her mentality was shown.. ".. Well.. Now they aren't fighting.. they seem happier this way.." Her initial exposure as a child led up to how she was as an adult- A very Obsessive, Controlling, and Mildly Manipulative Princess, as she used the Dumdum juice as an extract to create the rest of her candy kingdom, who she intentionally made less smart than they should have been, so she could keep them in tabs, and wouldnt worry about betrayal. In this, however, over time, she learns that it isn't always going to work. The stress eats at her, and she learns that, her old tactics, and her methods, aren't working. So she questions whether or not theyre good methods. Its fascinating, since Bonnibel never had the opportunity to ever think "is this the wrong way to go about this" since nothing had ever questioned or put it in question. She had no clue it was -wrong- to start with. It comes to a point when she develops enough to allow the candy kingdom to develop on its own, without her control, and starts to relinquish any need for it, that she starts to become a better person. No, she didnt start as a good character, and over time, from what we learned, she was honestly not a good person. But we cant hate people forever. As people become better, change, grow, and are kinder, and learn from their mistakes, we need to be able to learn to forgive and accept. Of course, we dont have to. Its up to the individual to forgive. But The chance is there. When people learn to become better, to be better, the chance should be given to allow them to grow and be kind. But thats my take.
@@karmageddon9047 I actually partially rewatched the show on HBO in this time, and I guess you’re right. Still tho, sometimes she can be hella infuriating
keep up the theories man, always a good watch.
You missed one appearance, look at the guardian protecting the islands where the last humans live, I suspect that Mo was trying to build a shelter, based on the Mars dome, however, considering the technology we see in those brief clips, I kind of suspect that this was BEFORE the mushroom war. The notable stonehenges that appear in the window might also imply that Mo is far older than you think. And considering Ooh has a massive upheaval every thousand years, the time frame of ancient egypt to the mushroom war may not be all that long
This could be in an alternate universe where Earth didn’t lose nearly 1000 years of technological development, and nuclear war happened in a time closer to Abe Lincoln’s life some 200 years ago in our time.
This video is older than the island Adventure time miniseries lol
I kinda feel that due to the Martians relying on Grob Gob Glob and Grod with a sword to strike down Orgalorg, that they didn't have as advanced technology and that it grew alongside earth. Therefore, when the time came for the Martian society to develop into a dense inhabited area, they required more science to sustain them and Abe Lincoln with his omniscience contacted Moe, as detailed in your theory. Also, the volcanic landscape might have been created by the huge amounts of augmented rocket fuel to power them.
Patrick Hughes a God with a flaming space sword is too primitive for you? Adventure Time is all about swords my dude, I think GGGG is about as advanced as it gets. Magic and science go hand in hand in this show, so the sword is only pertinent.
3:00 Except the Dome is already there
I think the timeline in adventure time is actually quite a bit shorter than it's talked about in the show. It is possible when characters talk about time it convoluted and mixed up because of lost knowledge and the drastic changes in the earth's landscape. For instance, the wizards are using advanced technology but they have no idea how they are doing what they are doing. Maybe the story of orgalorg was much later in time like after the mushroom war, but it was forgotten by humans. There are so many possibilities with this show
I think the tower on the Blueprint is an addition Mo was designing to the Martian bubble, and the Giants where transporting them when the mushroom war started.
wooah I never picked up on Moe's relation to the fire giants
The fire giants obviously aren't rockets though, they're asymmetrical, not aerodynamic, are not uniform in design and do not appear to have any dexterity in their limbs. Also people tend not to launch multiple rockets to do the same job at the same time.
It's highly doubtful that they were ever intended to move themselves through conventional space time.
I agree. Additionally, if the purpose was communication, what was the purpose of building them with such daunting appearances. I don't disbelieve the theory, I just have trouble believing they were built for communication or even travel to the Martian society.
***** Ice's king's beard was designed by the suppressed innermost wishes of a genetically modified dinosaur caused by farther issues, moments before a mass extinction event.
The Fire Giants were created by a genius who would make his designs aerodynamic.
Well, they're not asymmetrical.
Stewart DeLacy Maybe not along the z-axis, but along the x-axis they're highly unbalanced in a way that couldn't be useful to flying.
You don't have to be aerodynamic in space. Getting them out of the atmosphere on the other hand...
This is so awesome. I love your theory videos so much, especially when more comes out to support them. Like the fact that according to Distant Lands before BMO met Finn & Jake he was supposed to go to Mars, and he was bringing food with him, which is something that he wouldn't need for himself. It would also make sense that Moe sent BMO after the Fire Giants because they were shot down and he knew strength wasn't the way, so he went with love, hince sending BMO. If only Olive hadn't interrupted BMO then we'd know for sure, but then again if she hadn't the entire space situation would have been destroyed and it's quite possible Tree Trunks would have never met her Space Husband and Princess Bubblegum would have never been able to get her ships to the alien planet to keep the Candy Kingdom going after its demise on Ooo, and who knows maybe the Grey Princess wouldn't be on Ooo 1000+ having tea with Shermy and Beth.
I just wanted to put this here: the bubble has to be of Mars because it literally says Mars at the top of the paper
Glad to see I'm not the only one doing theories on adventue time
the blueprint on mo's desk says "MARS" right on the top..
BRUHHH, it DOES
this is really fascinating but i have to ask ... are you rewatching each episodes to notice these stuff ? or just remembering something and then building it all together ?
good question
Technically both. The latter when it comes to just having/thinking up an idea, but afterward when I decide to make a video on that idea, I do the former to revise that idea if necessary and make sure I didn't miss something important.
+YodaWithASoda YEAAAAAHH BOI!!!!!
SALEM gud these really
Absolutely great analysis! Loved hearing your thoughts on this, you gave me a totally new perspective on some important AT lore. Hope you're having a good day btw.
tbh i think all moe creations are meant to have a mission in mars cuz i think bmo fist mission was to build a potato farm in mars but he got lost in a wacky space advanture and ended up back in earth and meeting jack and finn at that moment
Oh nice yes, fantastic, I was waiting for a video like this; this'll be interesting.
EDIT: Elk, lad, this is why I'm subscribed to you; great video.
The background of moe and the blueprints looks like after mushroom war
Nice theory... although I’d like the idea that Moe had to make repairs or adjustments to the society bubble on Mars! Which would explain the blueprint... maybe my boi Abe reaches out to Moe to make the bubble better 🤷🏽♂️
Finally- someone addresses the Fire Giant blueprints in Moe’s workshop.
From the recent Distant Lands episode, it is revealed the BMO was being sent to Mars so there was indeed a relation with him and Mars.
Moe seems like a super genius.
I wouldn't be surprised it would be to establish contact and get help seeing earth has been so ducked by the war.
I wouldn't be suprised if the hole in the first theory is just a mistake the writers made
Interesting theory, and an amazing video as always.
man this channel is pretty cool. pls make more AT videos, reviews or theories, both are done so well. :)
I really like this theory, because it explains a lot of the lore more precisely than the forums I've seen on the Internet.
However there is one thing I would disagree on, and that is intent. In the same way that one does not meet a neighboring country with a huge army for a welcome party, I do not believe Moe created the Giants for a "hello to Mars!" reason. If Moe could somehow glance past their forcefields, could he not also send a message past them, in a form they could understand? Moe is a human, and humans are notorious for bringing weapons to colonize neighboring beings. I believe the diagram of the Martian landscape was for tactical reasons, and the Giants in order to attack Mars. I mean, earth was probably fairly crummy, what with the sudden destruction of humanity and nuclear fallout + winter. It's possible he sent the Giants to conquer Mars so that he could live in their super society away from the troubles of Earth. After that, I totally agree with the rest of your theory!
Ender Wiggins creepy to think bemo's creator would be so evil
I agree, PB is fears for her kingdom and its ability to defend against the fire giants. To the point of nearly killing the people of the fire kingdom to force them to look to her for help so she can get close enough to disable them. If you really wanted to say hi, youd send a spaceship with something like moe to say hello. Not fleet of robots that may or may not hold potentially atomic weapons, or any weapons for that matter. If they can create the fire kingdom, it means they turn any kingdom into a volcanic landscape.
Do not forget that in You Forgot Your Floaties, it is stated that Glob has "ancient human D.N.A" so at some point Mars and Earth interacted.
Also remember that in Evergreen, you can see a ruinous pillar with engravings on it and that the bad lands were once shown with part of the statue of liberty's arm in the background so they've gone through massive geological changes since civilisation fell.
There is no telling as to exactly what happened.
That's weird, Evergreen is set on prehistoric times, which is way before human civilization starts to take over.
In the Adventure time comic beginning of the end, bmo 's infinity port is compatible with the last fire giant.
another cool link between Moe and Mars is that BMO was sent to terraform Mars (or at least get potatoes there) at the start of his Distant Lands episode
what if Moe got the blueprints from abraham, so he should build a dome on earth to be safe from mutants or something
In Sweet Pea/the Lich’s speech with KOO, he said monsters existed in the very beginning. You could see Orgalorg in one of the monsters. What do you think about this?
i've heard that hunson abadeer was there too, but i haven't been ble to spot him
@@NeonRahkshi is that a ble reference?, man i love ble, so funny!
@@deadgiveaway-z3i They never publish any of my captions though
@@Edgemaster72 must not be funny
@@NeonRahkshi you can see the form he takes when he wears de necklace
Great theory! In my mind, it’s canon. I think that Moe’s character is a wholesale reference to another person from a work of post-apocalyptic fiction:
Isaac Edward Leibowitz from A Canticle for Leibowitz. Both he and Moe are:
•Jewish
•Electrical engineers and good with mechanics
•Survive a violent apocalypse
•Live in the desert
•Don’t necessarily save the world themselves, but lay the groundwork for others to do so.
•Want their knowledge to live on after they are gone.
Wait if flame princess said there is only a few what if there were not only six but more seeing the possibility that there were some that never returned back to earth and ended up lost or drifting is space due to an unknown reason and possibly creating other civilizations in other planets or maybe they are just drifting out there
maybe the schematic is for a newer renovation of a place already there, rather than building the whole thing from scratch
Man, it’s such a shame that the last remaining fire giant never got used in the final fight.
It looks interesting to me that outside with the fire giants in construction there are rocks formed like stonehenge which it could means that it was way in the past or something like that.
I’d like to think Abe Lincoln contacted Moe about restarting Mar’s magnetic core and gave him the schematics of his super society to help get an idea of how he should set up the fire giants. Would also help explain why they would create the fire kingdom.
I believe it was meant for war with the Martian, since its' a protector giant of Fire Kingdom it must meant that its' must have quite capabilities in combat. Due to such a major defeat to the Martian Moe's body almost decapitated whole but he manages to recreate a synthetic replacement and that's why he has been hiding these whole years under factory bunker. He maybe have major connection with the Mushroom /Attached Soul Atomic Lich-Bomb (ASAL-Bomb)
Has anyone checked the details in "You Forgot Your Floaties" to see if it has any clues to this? I could totally believe that the fire giants would be the reason that Magic Man/Normal Man built Margles.
He created blueprints from what he saw and found.
the amount of lore hiding at plain sight is better than the whole naruto filler plots
6:05 I think the Distant Lands special BMO gives us some hints so.... Please revise it!!!
Love the alien reference with the telescope martian king sits in
I noticed that too. Awesome!
look outside of Moe's window there are Stones for a stone circle. that means that Moe probably build the Fire Giant Ages ago. another use would be for them to be used on Mars to make the other areas livable too?
Or Moe built them AFTER the mushroom war, and that why there are ruins
+Ed Red ruins which resemble Stonehenge?
@@minenime4thewin687 stonehinge has lasted all this time. If the world got nuked there is a pretty good chance it would still be standing by moes time
Related to the episode, I have some serious problems with PB. I love her because she is cool and geeky and rules her people really well. However, I also hate her because she is so manipulative and single minded! She actually weakened the fire people for her own gains! But then again, she loves each and every one of her candy people! Does anyone else have this problem?
I would like to see the Peacemaster reappear. Also, PB seems totally okay with Peppermint Butler doing this crazy stuff. ven though PB cares deeply about her people, she still lets Pep Butts do all his creepy stuff, like possessing Cinnamon Bun with a demon. Then we see her interact with Marceline and it is obvious that they have a really deep friendship and we see that PB actually has a heart. She is a really complex character and I think that, despite the constant troubles that she causes by overlooking something (I.e, Treetrunk's space family) she really does care about her subjects.
Yes... maybe he was a demon that possessed a candy person. Because, as we see in The Vault, a younger version of Pep Butts presents Shoko with her new arm. Since PB is building her kingdom and we have the earlier versions of the banana guards and the first appearance of the gumball guardians, we can presume that that was when Peppermint Butler was created. With all those years between Shoko and Finn, Peppermint Butler still being around, there is a possibility that something went wrong along the way. Peppermint Butler is still one of my favorite candy people though. Starchy and Cinnamon Bun included.
Imagine you've got about thirty puppies in your arms. And you let them play in a little playpen. But imagine those Puppis never grow old, and are forever puppies, constantly trying to eat things they shouldn't and trying to get out, even if it means they might fall and crack their head open and die. You'd want to protect them. And if basicly every other person you knew when you were younger had betrayed you or lied to you in some way, your be wary about wanting to even let the puppies become smarter. And even if theres someone with a bunch of guns next door, even if that person hasent done anything wrong before, you'd want to get rid of the guns, just in case the off chance that someone could use them against your puppies would happen. Just in case. And along the way, you'd become obsessed with protecting your Puppies, going in and out of stages where you're borderline psycho to protect them(all bublegums spy cameras and killing flame princesses fire giants), and when its just all become so much that you don't even have the energy to care for a while(when the king of Ooo took over the castle and bublgum was just like 'fine screw you all I'll just live in my log cabin for a break)
Idk I just really like bubblegum and personally can see logic in everything she does, weather that logic is because of past betrayals or just how her personality works.
I think the biggest point the show is trying to make is that PB is trying to be a great and strong ruler but is really just a little girl grown up too fast. They are trying to show the human element to ruling a people. Honestly if you ever get to a position of power you might just realize how stupid us humans are. We are rarely so different from the candy people
If you watch the finale you can see that PB died and the candy kingdom fell into ruin.
Now distant lands makes sense! BMO was in a spaceship going to mars to cultivate it!
Yes! Moe seems to have been instrumental in man kinds survival
I'm curioous about learning more about Moe himself. I like to imagine that he had a human son, and Amo got jealous of him and decided to leave or sneak around the factory unnoticed(explains all the symbols like "Love Me" writen on the vents in "that room in the factory"). Mo, not knowing where Amo was, then created BMO to be friends with his son... and well. Amo probally got more and more jealous of this.
I really like this part of the story alot. It's nothing grand, but it was vague enough to make me take it apart and make a theory like this.
love it, great theory man.
My headcanon is that Abe went on a mission to earth in a vain attempt to kill gunter to avoid him causing chaos on earth via atomic warfare. This resulted in him getting shot and basically saying fuck you people...
OR the atomic bomb had some sort of magical booster that warped reality, causing historical figures to be resurrected and scattered to the winds of time
Just throwing this out there as an idea.
For years there was a really popular theory that there WAS a living society on Mars! It began in 1877 when Giovanni Schiaperelli thought he saw "canals" on the red planet. Astronomers would report that new ones were being "built" all the time.
Maybe this just turned out to be true in Adventure Time.
Even if you couldn't see that the resemblence between the blueprint and the dome, you can see the word "MARS" written across the top of the blueprint - the two "notes" in the top left point the the top of the M
You should make an updated version of this cuz i found out you fight an active fire giant in adventure time pirates of the enciridion
There are some continuity errors that could be attributed to accidents but personally I've always wondered if some of the events shown retrospectively in adventure time are of a different time all together. (Westworld s1 spoiler>) Narratives are sometimes revealed to the audience out of chronological sequence such as all the events shown in Westworld occurring at two different points in time. One key theme of adventure time is occurrences being cyclic such as the catalyst comet, or the primary governing forces in pre mushroom war earth and adventure time earth clashing and waging a war that would threaten the planet. Moe could have been around for millennia, surviving through each cycle and creating the Mars society before the events of orgalorgs banishment to earth. This show is so much fun to talk and think about.
I know this is like a year late but... in the episode where finn meets moe he asks if moe is human. Moe says "My skin is human" or something like it implying he's not but is wearing the skin of a human.
Abraham Lincoln actually totally matches his historical counterpart. Abraham Lincoln was well known for his freakishly long arms and his face that was simultaneously nothing to look at yet so beautiful that not even the most skilled artist could do it justice. Clearly Abraham Lincoln was totally an alien king of another planet.
Well done, a nice theory.
In the scene with moe constructing the firegiants there are megalith structures next to the construction site. It's not much to go of, but it could mean that moe did indeed exist since the neolithic aera, or traveled back in time to father the martian society.
Here's something new "The island" mentioned in preboot/reboot.
Duncan Fenwick y
I would pay mad bucks for an Adventure time encyclopedia.
With distant lands, we have another proof of the link between Moe and Mars, as BMO was sent to mars to plant some spuds but ended up deviating from his destination...
what if Moe just wanted to help out the flame kingdom and repair/design new fire giants?
instead of actually making the original ones.
My oppinion is that Moe as the smartest robot constructor in the Land of Ooo was simply asked to repair the Fire Giants sometimes, and could be even asked for help on Mars, so the blueprint could be sent to him from Mars.
Beautopia is also a bubbled environment.
Damn Moe is like the smartest person who ever lived...and will live..jeez. made sentient robots and well everything.
I think the Bubble blueprint in Moe’s lab was maybe a replacement one built on Earth before the Mushroom War and towed to Mars after the first one was destroyed by GOLB in the process of taking Margles from Magic Man. The Fire Giants just towed the Bubble to Mars and malfunctioned on the way back crashing into what would become the Fire Kingdom because of the Mushroom War taking out what could have been Mission Control which were controlling the Giants.
>nuclear fire giants
>elon musk saying nuking mars can make it habitable
hmmm..
I like to think that Abe still contacted mo, but as a way to repair it. So he designed the fire giants for repairs
It's a shame your theory wasn't on the mark but hey, at least now we understand fire kingdom history a bit more
Other possible explanation: Mo DID plan Mars and all that, and once it was done, Abraham Lincoln used some sort of magic/science to make it exist throughout the past, present, and future. It may be a slight stretch, but seeing how little we know of the lore, it could be a possibility.
I think that Moe noticed the Marsian society and somehow got those blueprints and wanted to use that bubble tehnology for the fire giants.But Marsians noticed the giants and they destroyed some of them creating the fire kingdom.They did it because Moe used theire thehnology.
I didn't even notice that stuff in the background when I watched the episode xD
I always thought they just made oxygen, because fire needs oxygen and such a large kingdom of fire would need a large amount of oxygen. The reason they seem to turn off with a whoosh when the energy core is extracted is because the oxygen in the system is let go. They weren't really meant to take too much damage because they were just storage. I thought the story that fire princess tells us was a bit far-fetched since they break easily and that it was embellished as time went by.
What do you think of the Moe special?
I believe your first theory holds up. If you look out Mo’s window there are multiple henges, possibly placing his timeline before ancient Egypt and Orgelorg.
Moe reminds me of Robert House from New Vegas, both geniuses with successful companies and surviving the apocalypse and having special augmented medical equipments that makes them immortal
What's up with the stone henge figures in the final image... some sort of a reference to Mars?
Before watching, what I think:
1) the Martian society has been there for *at least* a thousand years.
2) both Moe and BMO are younger than that.
So, probably Moe was just studying their technology and trying to replicate their nuclear source of energy.
Now, probably it either a) went wrong and Moe gave up on it; or b) it served Moe's purpose, which had been to help the incipient fire people all the time.
I think that that you are forgetting that the mushroom war wasn't a single event. It was a war. I find it much more likely that Mow was contracted to build the fire giants as some sort of weapon to fight in the mushroom war, but something went wrong and the crashed down to earth, killing civilians and creating the fire kingdom. In his shame, Moe became a recluse, hiding in his factory. I agree that the blue prints are based off of what Moe saw on Mars,however, I think they served a different purpose. The Mars Dome blue prints, may have been designed as a new dome for humans on earth to live, protecting them from the mutated world. But Moe never built it because of his despair.
I dont think any of you guys say this but five seconds into the video you see a handle which just might bea door that leads to the space ship inside which might make sense cause theres not much known about them
Znattastic Boy Look At Your the handle is for the tank that the batteries are held in lol, pb opened it and took some out
I didn’t even realize they related to each other holy shit
Pre Mushroom War, Mars wouldn't need a cloaking device, per se, just a way to make it seem like something that could easily be explained away as a camera artifact or some such. After the War, it could have been clearly visible, but only people like Moe would have the tech or the knowledge to observe it and correctly deduce what it was.
Your video's and this show are so great
Maybe Abraham Lincoln in AT is actually the real Abe Lincoln, as he fought the vampires during the Civil War. Then possibly got infected by a vampire as he have out lived his times for milleniums, but managed to cure himself of vapirism just before building his settlement on Mars.
My theory was that Moe was trying to replicate the martian shield to protect (something) from the mushroom war. Or maybe to create/protect a moon colony, as seen in the AT comic #39
maybe he was just trying to recreate a citadel similar to the mars dome in order to create a safe haven, the fire giants could just be generators
how old is BMO is anyway ?
I'd argue the fire giants could have ben weapons more than communication devices, given how FP's brother treated them as such and they certainly had the capability to be weapons.
I find it interesting how everyone is assuming the fire giants have arms but I just realized what if they are just rockets and and the perceived arms are just tech tubes
You can see Stonehenge esque monuments outside of Moe's window
I mean, there ARE some megalithic era sculptures by moe's window...
Cool theory
Interesting theory on Adventure time
i really like this theory a lot so i'm going to choose to believe that moe was simply following the teachings of someone before him. and that he himself didn't build the fire giants and such but maybe an ancestor or teacher of his did.