Very interesting vid - reminds me I have to attend to my 2 super ugly shore pines lol! I like the idea of developing your first pine from the lower branch. Planting on an angle could minimize the straight trunk. Mostly I'm wishing I could accomplish same with my trees - always sounds great on paper...
We are of the same mind Sue. This experiment didnt achieve what I aimed for so I am really back to the beginning once it puts on more vigour. People have suggested a few things but I am not sure the tree itself is worth thhat sort of effort?
Awesome video again Xav Shame our BBQ & Bonsai day has been pushed out but looking forward to it I was thinking the exact same thing about using the 1st branch btw Would give opportunity for some interesting trunk movement 🤔 Thanks for sharing my friend take care see you soon 👊🏻
It is still raining at the moment! This pine is all about observation and experimenting. Even the hard pruning is a way for me to see just how it reacts in reality with any back budding. I agree that the future is the side branch...it will look pretty decent one day :)
Definitely makes me anxious looking at that tree and trying to see the future design and direction of travel. Good luck with what is difficult material. 🤗 Change of planting angle may reduce the horizontal line of that main trunk. My own Scot’s pine is somewhat similar but on a much, much smaller scale.
I always smile when a Blue Jay flys onto my comments. Unfortunately the forecast is for rain tomorrow so the event had to be cancelled. Can't really film and do bonsai if it is raining :(
The tree has a lot of good roots and strength so although I was hard on the pruning I am hopefullly this will push the tree to back bud for next year. I shall let you know if it doesnt :)
always interesting projects !!!...above the lower branch try a wedge cut an bend trunk onto its self like a graft...that way your not effecting the lower part...
Wedge cut is definitely an option but truthfully the main idea for this project was to see how far I could bend that very straight trunk by splitting it. It hasn't truly worked so I may end up concentrating on the right hand spur as a future tree. Althoguh, this is all about experimentation so perhaps I will let it regain a load more vigour and then follow your advice neext year :)
I have just one pine from a Christmas tree…. The trunk is too thick to bend at around 2.5 inches thick so just a trial tree for me 👍 Love your thickness of trunks… I may eventually wedge cut mine to get some movement in the trunk…..
You are definitely right about that Mark. I am going to let it go wild again for a year and then have another look and see if I can do anything else before I go ahead with the lower right spur as the new tree :)
Hi Xavier, I‘m quite impressed by your wire-removal 😍 Like it 👍 Expectation management 🥰 Please more of such words. Regarding the pine - lovely growth. Seems to be a survivor and I like your decision not to bend again right now. Keep growing. Meanwhile my multitrunk pine (big parts died back last year) NO candels up to now but just now started to develop tiny new candels. (It might be due to the the coffee grounds?) 😅 I’m so happy! 😊😍 Do you think those late candels will make it? Hope so! 🙏 Have you ever seen such late development? Thanks Xavier, enjoy your day ❤ Cheers 🙋♀️ Martina
Those candles will probably be fine. I am still learning with pines so often find myself asking the same questions as you. Often they stay that way till the following year. Stay motivated and enjoy the greenery :)
Fuuny you should say that. i just drove up to the top of Scotland and saw loads of inspirational literati pines. Reminded me exactly what i need to do. Your idea was spot on though - thanks :)
If it was a realistic option then airlayers would be a consideration. However, in my experience pines don't generally respond well to this technique. hav eyou had success following this option before?
Totally right - I was hoping originally that if the extreme bending worked and held, that I could incorporate some of that exposed broken bark as a front. Clearly not an option at the moment :)
The shoulder joint is far to weak from last years bending efforts and was partly the reason I chose to try splitting the trunk so hard. I will continue to push growth on this and see where it takes me next year. This was always down as an 'experimental' project so i shall try to be imaginative :)
"Needle prayers"...Me thinks you said it correctly the first time! 😋
I think you may be right with the way the world is right now :)
Very interesting vid - reminds me I have to attend to my 2 super ugly shore pines lol! I like the idea of developing your first pine from the lower branch. Planting on an angle could minimize the straight trunk. Mostly I'm wishing I could accomplish same with my trees - always sounds great on paper...
We are of the same mind Sue. This experiment didnt achieve what I aimed for so I am really back to the beginning once it puts on more vigour. People have suggested a few things but I am not sure the tree itself is worth thhat sort of effort?
Awesome video again Xav
Shame our BBQ & Bonsai day has been pushed out but looking forward to it
I was thinking the exact same thing about using the 1st branch btw
Would give opportunity for some interesting trunk movement 🤔
Thanks for sharing my friend take care see you soon 👊🏻
It is still raining at the moment! This pine is all about observation and experimenting. Even the hard pruning is a way for me to see just how it reacts in reality with any back budding. I agree that the future is the side branch...it will look pretty decent one day :)
Definitely makes me anxious looking at that tree and trying to see the future design and direction of travel. Good luck with what is difficult material. 🤗
Change of planting angle may reduce the horizontal line of that main trunk.
My own Scot’s pine is somewhat similar but on a much, much smaller scale.
Truthfully the future is that side spur branch - I am just practicing different techniques on the rest of it for fun :)
Bonsai BBQ sounds fun .. unless it's the trees you are cooking. 🤣
I always smile when a Blue Jay flys onto my comments. Unfortunately the forecast is for rain tomorrow so the event had to be cancelled. Can't really film and do bonsai if it is raining :(
Nice and healthy trees there Xav. They sure can get some work done.
Grts
Kennet
You will be seeing our Scots Pine in the next month. That has put on so much candle mass since you last saw it.
Great potential there Xavier. As you say it depends how lucky you are with the back-budding.
The tree has a lot of good roots and strength so although I was hard on the pruning I am hopefullly this will push the tree to back bud for next year. I shall let you know if it doesnt :)
First! Rare! 💪🏼
I would blame that on having too much 'real life' to be managing Jonas :)
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat haha thank you Xav yes young family demands time 😊 blink I’ll be wishing it back 💚
To my eye it’s clearly better from the back.
Good effort with a difficult tree.
You are definitelky right - if i stick with this as the whole tree rather than just the lower spur then the back is definitely the new front.
Bonsai tree is looking great now thanks xavier keep up the good work mate thanks
Always good to hear from you Phillip :)
always interesting projects !!!...above the lower branch try a wedge cut an bend trunk onto its self like a graft...that way your not effecting the lower part...
Wedge cut is definitely an option but truthfully the main idea for this project was to see how far I could bend that very straight trunk by splitting it. It hasn't truly worked so I may end up concentrating on the right hand spur as a future tree. Althoguh, this is all about experimentation so perhaps I will let it regain a load more vigour and then follow your advice neext year :)
Well done, Xav...👌👋
Thank you :)
I have just one pine from a Christmas tree…. The trunk is too thick to bend at around 2.5 inches thick so just a trial tree for me 👍 Love your thickness of trunks… I may eventually wedge cut mine to get some movement in the trunk…..
That sound a good idea :)
Great video Xavier 👊
Experiment failed but it was still good experience Andy
I think the back of the tree looks a lot better, I know it’s still stright but it just looks a lot tidier and cleaner.
You are definitely right about that Mark. I am going to let it go wild again for a year and then have another look and see if I can do anything else before I go ahead with the lower right spur as the new tree :)
Hi Xavier, I‘m quite impressed by your wire-removal 😍 Like it 👍 Expectation management 🥰 Please more of such words. Regarding the pine - lovely growth. Seems to be a survivor and I like your decision not to bend again right now. Keep growing. Meanwhile my multitrunk pine (big parts died back last year) NO candels up to now but just now started to develop tiny new candels. (It might be due to the the coffee grounds?) 😅 I’m so happy! 😊😍 Do you think those late candels will make it? Hope so! 🙏 Have you ever seen such late development? Thanks Xavier, enjoy your day ❤ Cheers 🙋♀️ Martina
Those candles will probably be fine. I am still learning with pines so often find myself asking the same questions as you. Often they stay that way till the following year. Stay motivated and enjoy the greenery :)
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat Appreciate your answer, Xavier. ❤️ Thank you 🙏😘
if you grow tired of the straight bottom portion this might be a great candidate for a ground layer
Have you had success with layering any pines? It is not something that I have heard much about?
Literati. Look for Chinese tall skinny pine literati videos, might find inspiration for your beauties. Enjoying
Fuuny you should say that. i just drove up to the top of Scotland and saw loads of inspirational literati pines. Reminded me exactly what i need to do. Your idea was spot on though - thanks :)
@12:15 instead of cutting, is this a good case for airlayering? that upper section looks like a decent bonsai by itself, no? 🧐
If it was a realistic option then airlayers would be a consideration. However, in my experience pines don't generally respond well to this technique. hav eyou had success following this option before?
I actually think the current back will be a better front. Give it a hard look. Looks better on video at least
Totally right - I was hoping originally that if the extreme bending worked and held, that I could incorporate some of that exposed broken bark as a front. Clearly not an option at the moment :)
Is there any possibility of getting that upper main branch to be bent lower. ?
as above Sharon :)
Enjoy your BBQ tomorrow mate ...
Good old British rain has interevened and the forecast is for showers most of the day :(
@@XaviersBonsaiRetreat put a gazebo up be ok then ...
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Thanks Bruce
Second 💪
Cheers Dan - two Cornish bonsai enthusiasts racing to get their comment across the Tamar :)
Sorry I should have listened more closely.
The shoulder joint is far to weak from last years bending efforts and was partly the reason I chose to try splitting the trunk so hard. I will continue to push growth on this and see where it takes me next year. This was always down as an 'experimental' project so i shall try to be imaginative :)