I think it’s a side effect of anti immigration parties gaining popularity. A lot of their voters may not be Eurosceptic (so long as it’s not filling their countries with migrants) but are willing to look past it if they agree with their other policies.
The annoying thing is that immigrants will still come with or without the EU. The only thing the EU has tried to do is spread out these immigrants fairly between Member States as not to flood border countries to be completely overwhelmed by them
A lot of those parties are also free-market and capitalism oriented. For example one in poland, a lot of critique of EU comes down to overregulation. One the one hand they want free trade and movement of people(inside the eu) on the other they want stricter immigration policy and deregulation. Without delegating any power over immigration or regulation to EU.
Exactly, just look at Sweden. The Sweden Democrats never gained many votes for their stance on the EU. They grew because people felt they were the only option to generous migration-policy from both left, and right. Then they got a boost when everybody declared them the enemy, so everything was about them all of the time, and crime started increasing. They became the second-largest party in parliament, but came fourth (after the Greens) in the last EU-election, which was the first election in which they decreased their share of the vote.
Yeah, the only anti-immigration parties currently are far-right borderline-fascists with bad politics and complete non-understanfing of the immigration process. The whole immigration process should be redone, the international law should be changed to be humane but not self-degradading and should be written with the understanding about how the current system is fueling far-right sentiment across Europe
@@basvriese1934 Nah the EU enabled free movement of people which means a system like that just doesn't work because the asylum seekers just move across the borders. Also the fucking return rate for rejected asylum seekers is about 20%. TWENTY FUCKING PERCENT. For years. The asylum system is totally fcked. It's easy to fix Euroscepticism though; stop ignoring migration problems and reform EU treaties to make it not suck. Then we can also keep the free movement of people. Don't risk EU stability for non-Europeans.
I think many Europeans want to form a bloc together and like the idea of the EU, but one of the biggest election issues everywhere is immigration and that's a topic which is largely a responsibility of the EU, but the EU doesn't seem to get a grip on it, which scares people and makes people believe that the EU isn't doing anything good for them
Ye im also not a fan of the whole green agenda thing its not viable long term and makes no sense considering basically no one outside of europe cares about it, and its the eu whos really shoving it down all our throats, i do like the idea of a free trade and travel block but with actual europeans not muhammad who got a german passport and just leaches off the welfare state
@@nhecos2998 That's a problem in the sense that when a single country wants to do something about migration it gets blocked by European rules which in turn fuels the euroskepticism.
It is not about Euroscepticism, it is about immigration and economy. If the EU authorities had a stronger stance against migration, many people would be super pro-EU, maybe even advocating for the European Federation.
The issue is, what powers do national government allow the European institutions. Because, very often, populists and euroskeptics are just complaining and attacking the EU with one hand, while making it impossible for the EU to have the powers and resources to address the issues with the other.
The thing is, people will just moan about migration from the poorer areas of Europe instead. Indeed, it´s actually one of the reasons why Wilders still says he wants to leave the EU. I suspect that Wilders and Meloni will block any new countries from coming in the EU for that reason.
In the Uk, it overwhelmingly wasn't about immigration prior to the 2016 vote. It was about sovereignty, and the widespread feeling amongst voters old enough to have voted in the last referendum (in 1973) that the true nature and goals of the EU (then the EEC, of course) had been comprehensively misrepresented to them by government and media at the time.
There needs to be made a distinction between being skeptic of how the EU is organized vs what we actually want. I want the EU to remain, just not as it is now. Unanimous votes? Mass migration? Multiple armies instead of one? Not investing in tech as much as China and the USA are doing or any other great investment? We are falling behind, and quick.
@@J.o.s.h.u.a. I get your point, but I do think we change things around and reform if we truly want to. If a paper states your chair needs to be black forever it doesn't necessarily have to be, we can paint the chair and stop being a massive pain in the ass to each other. Change is good, it is what brings us forward.
@@donbrabo yeah we shouldn't have one single army. We aren't a federation. I don't trust the soldiers of other countries in the lands we've fought for and that are desired by others.
You know what is worst? That precisely most of the faults you just mentioned are made worse by euroesceptics. Mass migration? No EU wide accord possible because places like Hungary that want to say no to relocation but also don’t work towards helping with external frontiers Unanimous vote? Tell that to nationalists, let’s see what they think of losing their cookies
nothing changed, brexit was primarily an anti immigration issue and yet britain keeps getting more immigrants same as in France where the Lisbon referendum was rejected by 55% only for the MPs to betray their constituents and ratify it anyway
"Swexit" is the term for Sweden leaving the EU, both here, and abroad 😉 Speaking as a Swede, our general election is a poor measure of Euroscepticism. Swedes are one of the most pro-EU, and even the Sweden Democrats have moderated (especially since the polls for the EU and Euro rose following the pandemic and Ukraine war) their stance. They also wanted to become more palatable for centre-right parties in order to form a government. They did a quick u-turn about joining NATO for the same reason, the polls, Russia's invasion, and in order to get closer to the other parties on the right. People, at least in Sweden, do not vote in general elections based on EU-policy of the parties. The EU is sadly a seldom talked about topic domestically. People vote for different reasons in the general election (like the economy, crime, welfare, and migration). The last EU-election was the first time in forever that the Sweden Democrats declined in the vote-share, and they came fourth after the Greens (the second smallest party in parliament but third biggest in EU election). So the Sweden Democrats kind of has a balancing act going on right now. They do not talk about Swexit anymore, but they do always talk about Sweden perhaps looking into the membership and maybe having a referendum again in the distant-future. So they obviously want to say the right thing to appeal to more people, and now allied parties on the right, while throwing some red-meat to their Eurosceptic base. Their party leader even at one point claimed that being anti-EU is why he joined the party in the first place, at a time when the right-wing extremism in the party was really rife.
NATO has nothing to do with the EU, ask Turkiye; moreover, NATO won't be around in 20 years. Regarding economics, how can you be certain that economic advantages aren't just a product of being in the single market? I don't think Sweden would be any worse off if they left the EU proper but remained in the Customs Union.
@@BOZ_11possibly, but the EU does negotiate a lot of trade deals with the rest of the world that benefits all their members. You could say as a hypothetical it would benefit California to leave the US and be an independent state, and while that might be true in the short term, it's likely to harm them in the long term
@@BOZ_11 Well, no. But I did not talk about NATO in that light, and I did not talk about the economy. Concerning NATO, I talked about it as another issue where the Sweden Democrats changed their stance on the issue. Like with the EU, they were anti-NATO. But when opinion flipped, and Russia invanded, the Sweden Democrats flipped. Their anti-EU, and anti-NATO, stances were also common for the centre-right parties to cite why they could not work togheter. When the Sweden Democrats became less hostile to EU, and NATO, it was easier for them and the centre-right to work togheter in government. Most numbers point to Sweden being better of in the EU compared to outside, but that is another issue.
I think eurosceptisim is lower now overal in the EU. Because the UK finally fked off. Im euro sceptic myself. But im not against the EU. I just want it reformed to work better. And enshrine sovereinty for member states. I recornize the EU does a lot of good stuff. On part of consumer protection. And rights. Im happy with that. Im less happy about the corruption. That should be tackled. And the ineffectiveness when it counts.
I think this is more about definition in ur case. euroscepticism is about opposing the eu and wanting less integration. What you describe is a pro eu stance, which is not euroscepticism. I myself also want the EU to reform but that does not mean i am a eurosceptic
@@CrisCheese_ No, Eurosceptism is not against more integration, but towards what makes the EU stronger in itself. Because integration in the case of egalitarianism doesn't help, Euroscepticism is always on the political right, while European populism is always on the left, including leftliberal stances of economic reform and standardization.
@@CrisCheese_ euroscepticism isnt per se about opposing the EU. Its in the word scepticism. Im sceptic about how the EU currently works. How countries like france and germany can force their will onto smaller neigbours. Which is wrong. Im pro euro as an idea. If done well it works i think. There is just a lot of corruption. And conflicting interest. The few parts i approve is the trade, The preventing a war thing and the consumer protection. But more is needed. Im against more integration. Im against a EU army. Sure you can have EU task forces. And make a rule that in the military you need to speak english as a communication language. But those task forces should only be used in times of need. AKA a direct attack on the EU. And of course military units. Mostly brigade size. Are from the country. Not mixed EU. Only the command is mixed. Depending on the task. Im also pissed at that my country is a net payer into the EU budget. But when we wants something. We cant have it. Because france is a being a prick.
@@urlauburlaub2222 'Euroscepticism is always on the political right, while European populism is always on the left' And how decided this? Im left. But also eurosceptic. Am i not allowed as a leftie to be eurosceptic? Most 'right' wing parties in the EU. Are not even really right wing. Only right wing about them is. Being nationalistic. Which isnt wrong per se. But is quickly painted as evil in the EU.
The rise of 'Euroscepticism' surprisingly corresponds with people actually seeing and _caring_ that EU has powers and influence over their daily lifes, and want part in dictating direction of that influence, as opposed to only most "globalist" voices bothering to speak or being heard. I would call it even the more conservative people and parties recognizing "EU membership" as part of their country internally and not just some sort of international trade agreement (How many US citizens actually care about NAFTA in their daily lives?)
The difference is that the people in the US are all Americans - they consider themselves as a single nation and they've had such view from the early days of the country's existence. On the other hand - most European ethnic groups had long established themselves as such by the time the US did let alone by the time the earliest form of the EU was created. The EU in its original form (as an economic union) used to work very well. The problems began to accumulate when it was transformed into a primarily political union.
There is difference between leaving Europe and don't want migrant, its two different stuff not sure why its sometimes so hard to understand. Its just antimigrant parties claims to be EU sceptic.
I have always voted eurosceptic - even though I strongly support the EU. This is because I trust the specific sceptics I voted for to do a good job, AND the EU must be kept under close watch - it cannot be left to financial fanboys to run. Any union or government can be a force for good, but only when not allowed to run free without challenge or oversight; that would be a breeding ground for corruption.
I don´t like 99% of the Eurosceptic parties, they´re all pretty far right. The thing is that you have a point, that it´s not good for any organisation to have people of only one viewpoint. In particular, I find there is a worrying lack of criticism in the EU when it comes to EU expansion and the dangers it could post for the Union. I think adding any more balkan states, or adding the Ukraine or Albania could be a disaster.
@@Minimmalmythicist I don’t know your country of course but in my case I was in luck since we have some very left leaning sceptics as well. I would definitely hesitate to do the same if my only options were heavily to the right.
@@nathanlonghair In Spain, they´re rare, in the UK some left Eurosceptics exist but not many. I think a huge problem with politics generally, going on from what you say, is that there is increasingly little room for debate within political parties.
You actually pronounced ”Jimmie Åkesson” kinda well. It’s a small thing but it helps reinforce the feeling that you are taking your journalism seriously.
Russian interference is baffling to me, when it's proven it's basically "well we know about it now so good luck". I don't know why countries are not pro-active at stopping literal propaganda for the sake of destroying trust from within, especially if it's objectively not true and lies.
Influencing think-tanks is not exactly "Russian meddling in election". There are far more influence from, let's say, pro-Islam groups and fast increasing demography caste block votes for the most pliant Left wing party - now that is real meddling in election.
yeah, this is damned if you do, damned if you don't situation... Really, the only way to fight propaganda is through censorship, at least on responsive enough basis. Problem is, you can't censor, because it is either just undemocratic (ie. against not codified but held values) or outright unconstitutional as part of law. Meaning if you implement any measure to diminish spread of propaganda, you give your opponent genuine ammunition to use against you, damaging your legitimacy, because you've shown, that the values you declare to be at the very heart of your state/system mean and are worth nothing. Values like freedom of speech for instance and particularly political speech.
In my opinion there are individuals in our countries that would gain a lot from Russian-style managed democracy. I don't have time right now, but I would genuinely suggest "Capitalism in the Third Reich" by UA-camr Fredda bland the book "how civil wars start" by Barbara Walker.
So how would that work? Should the EU have a "ministry of truth" and start to massively block propaganda that does not fit the EU narrative? How would people that are already sceptic of the EU react? I would hope we teach people how to recognize propaganda instead and understand that they are being manipulated.
Isn't that more an inherent consequence of economic cooperation that is more efficient than infighting? The EU is largely shaped by neo-liberal ideas about economics and trade. Less than the US, of course, but still. The basis is the same. This combined with the general global state of neo-liberal ideas in international trade, will make any actor that goes against the international system suffer unless they are sufficiently self-sufficient? If you want to talk about centralisation, look at the tech companies. Their global reach outclasses most nation states. Compared to that the EU is not the worst offender.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 yeah. Feature creep. The issue is partly due to problems like the Euro, but without accepting the requirement for partial EU sovereignty over monetary policy in member states. See the Euro crisis. The Euro is a good thing, but it's expansion rushed too fast, causing internal differences that can lead to collapse. This mechanism is all over. I support the EU, but it desperately need structural reforms.
@@asbjo No, the EU is more neoliberal than the US, because in the US you have much bigger control of lets say New York and California over most of the United States. Europe has a different mechanism through clearing, what is focussed on the SOCIAL and conservative structure in contrast to Socialism. Anyone is dependant on world trade, that's why economic collapse just has to do with own structural deficits and mostly Socialism or Democratic outputs. As Europe is more conservative than e.g. Britain, the problems inflicted by government parties or elections is still limited, while in the UK you don't have that because there it is centralized in Socialist London.
The EU promised an ideal to its membership. However, the EU Commission's failure to protect that ideal from outsiders who exploit it has caused the citizens of member states to become disenfranchised with the EU ideal.
Well, non-EU migration is by and large (not entirely) the responsibiltiy of member states. The thing that I hate is there are no honest discussions about pros and cons of immigration and when there are discussions, it tends to be the cons (real or imagined) that are highlighted, often excessively. The French right have never stopped banging on about migration, I can remember Chirac and Sarkozy saying more or less the same things that the French centre-right and far right are saying now. The thing is they were just cynical liars and knew that migration is a lot more complex than what they were telling their voters. I think the current French right, certainly the far right, actually believe it.
@@NicolasHaufe Trade with Arab countries, Morroccan restaurants, people who understand the culture and the language, all pretty useful things to have. If you only see problems, you won´t see opportunities.
@@Minimmalmythicist It isn't about non-EU migration either, but more about Socialism and left-wing populism. It's against multiculturalism, what is even not liked within migrant groups. The problem with Middle Eastern migration is, that it is the result of a war and non-conservative politization from outside the EU.
@@urlauburlaub2222 "Socialism and left-wing populism. It's against multiculturalism, what is even not liked within migrant groups. The problem with Middle Eastern migration is, that it is the result of a war and non-conservative politization from outside the EU." It´s hard to follow what your point is.
Border security is a global concern. The USA is about a week away from an election where border security is a top priority for many voters. I read a report from Homeland Security that over 100 terrorists were arrested for attempting to illegally cross into the USA in 2023 alone. It took, what, 19 people to do the worst attack in American history? So, over 100 of those people just wandering around America and plotting attacks is terrifying... Personally, I'm an American so I blame the popularity of American media for inspiring other countries to adopt their own version of border hawkishness. Like I hear Pollievre (the Canadian populist conservative guy) is now a border hawk, Wilders won a big victory in the Netherlands last year, the National Rally is growing in popularity in France, German border hawks like the AfD are winning more regional elections (especially in the east, where autocracy is more normalized). I even heard that even North African countries like Tunisia have adopted border hawk politics out of concern over migrants coming from sub-Saharan Africa. Americans are scared about illegal immigrants from Central / South America. Europeans are scared about illegal immigrants from North Africa. North Africans are scared about illegal immigrants from Central Africa. This is a global movement.
The thing is all about the reasons. The British feared, that the bombed civilians in Syria, with Russians doing the same bombing, will flee towards Britain. This happened, because of the bombing and Europe, while Britain was inside the EU, did do the humanitarian work and paid for it, without getting anything from it, but Russian/Islamist infiltration. This was pushed by radical leftist, internationalists and liberals against conservatives and regular Germans and French, until they got attacked, too.
Note per @TLDR News EU: the "Northern League Party" is now "Lega per Salvini Premier" (LSP), known simply as "Lega", and it's actually the most important hard-eurosceptic party in Italy (Fratelli d'Italia is more moderate... Now), in fact it is in Patriots for Europe, and before it was in Identity and Democracy.
Actually, to be pedantic, the Lega Nord parties (Lombarda and Veneta) still exist, and are increasingly opposed to Salvini (see Zaia, Fedriga, etc). Salvini is, and has been, in power and yet no euroscketpic policies have been enacted. Which goes to show empirically he is not really euroskeptic, just a populist and liar.
@@fedethefico Yes, I know that Lega Nord still exists, only that it's not standing for elections now, it has essentially been replaced... even if also in LSP there remain factions for the independence of "Padania". Salvini, however, has never been in power, or rather, apart from the government with the Five Star Movement (which did not last long) in which he was not prime minister, he has never taken large percentages, and now with the Meloni Government he has taken 8% of the votes... and the government is standing for convenience, what can he do?
@@silverdoctor6298 I think we're very much on the same page. Though I wouldn't underestimate the power the Minister of Interior or the Minister of Transports - he has done disasters over disasters...
Yeah, Brexit, Pandemic, and Ukraine war really showed most people in the EU that it is better to have a team, than to be alone. Probably also why NATO became more popular, and Sweden, and Finland, rushed to join.
@@AntonSjöstedt The U.K. is a nato founding member. We didn’t want to be part of the eu political union. The situation in Ukraine showed exactly the advantage of Brexit. Eu nations are still arguing over helping Ukraine.
@@frclucIceland and Norway have had many referendums on EU membership, and they keep voting no, EEA membership gives Norway and Iceland the benefit of EU membership without giving up too much sovereignty.
EU people, learn with us in the UK, since BREXIT I feel like I am living in a cage. I'm 75, I feel like that, now imagine our young people wanting to travel and make new friends in Europe without the freedom the EU has given us before?
Brexit so far hasn’t had any impact on my travel around Europe for years so you’re just making stuff up, maybe that will change in the future but up to now absolutely nothing has changed. I’m typing this comment from Croatia right now and had no issues getting here.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986if you don’t see the issue with losing total freedom of travel work residency and business then maybe it is too late for you
@@SupremeST25 so what actually changed? you can still step on the train and be in europe without issue in a few hours no checks, no change so how was your "total freedom" changed even in the worst case scenario, you would be forced trough the horrible ordeal of... showing your id the horror, the humanity, wont anyone think of the children
These days I always ask for details of polling data, what questions were presented and if possible the locations data was collected. Asking questions in Capital cities may provide an entirely different outcome than asking for responses across a broad section of locations in any country.
You guys should do a video on the identitarian movement. It might help explain why eurosceptic powers are gaining more power at the same time more people support the EU
I think it would be fair for Eurosceptics to consistently point out when they talk about mass migration/immigration that they're opposed to both immigration/asylum seekers from outside the EU/EEA/CH AND also to freedom of movement within the EU. Legally speaking these are two totally different categories. Eurosceptic parties try to obfuscate their negative views on the freedom of movement (probably knowing that support for ending is rather low and comes predominantly from blue collar workers). They should be just as transparent as many of their voters and openly say we want to end freedom of movement. That would allow for a precise and fully open discussion on immigration policies.
When you look at polls, the thing is that support for ending freedom of movement for other people is quite high, but the support for ending one´s freedom of movement to travel to other EU countries is quite low. This is the problem in a nutshell, tribalism and hipocrisy. I think if Dutch people moving to Spain, were treated like new migrants were in the Netherlands, there would be a riot. They would start shouting "wah wah, it´s discriminatory, how dare you make us go through all these checks".(I´m not saying we can realistically have free movement with most non-EU countries, just pointing out that people should put themselves in other´s shoes)
@@Minimmalmythicist There is some truth in that, but you can have more variability in that. However, also a Dutch in 2024 is not the same as a Dutch in 1930's and during most of the cold war. Instead, you have many passport carriers, while fewer and fewer want to uphold the standards of what Dutch or German meant. This is why Dutch were also questioned more these days, if they go abroad. Those, who brought free movement, because they act fine and bring in the value, all these traditionalists, they could always travel. So, there might be riot from all the rest, but nobody has a value from them, as you could also see this during Corona, when more quality instead of quantity was the key. You have to earn something, you can't just think you are the holy people.
Overwhelming majority like the idea of the EU (trade and cooperation, being stronger together,...) but also find that the EU is more and more overeaching in it's decisions and only seem to do things for friendly rich businessmen and their companies instead of helping the European middle class. It has become less democratic, way too bureaucratic and a retirement home for politicians that have no real future in their own homelands politics.
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Some of them are bogus. For instance their charts show 16% in support of leaving the EU in France. And yet Odoxa poll from May says 38% of the french are in favour of leaving. Also 70% are dissatisfied with thow the EU functions in general.
I think a big part of the reason for the success of many Right-wing parties is that they've been leaving Eurosceptism behind and have concentrated on other issues.
i’m “euro sceptic” - i want reform, but i absolutely do not want to leave. and i don’t believe that any other country seriously wants to leave, either.
I too am against the EU. But I don't share the reasons the "eurosceptics" have. I disagree with the economic policies of the EU. How it discourages national control and ownership of vital infrastructure such as powergrids and rail.
I would say that pro-integration EU citizens are generally always satisifed with the EU, where anti-integration EU citizens are getting more satisfied as they see more right wing politicians in power. Another theory I have is that the perception of the US seemingly going down the shithole has made a lot of big EU decisions look more successful in the eyes of EU citizens.
I am pro-integration and every much unsatisfied with the EU. The issue is that EU is currently at the worst place integration wise. It has enough power to impact the entire continent, but not enough to have mediating coverage and get a public opinion check on this power. It is the EU that going down the shithole, not the USA. In fact, the USA might be at their top economically speaking, living a new golden age. USA economic growth is more than 5 times that of the EU (2.5% vs 0.4%) and twice EU GDP per capita (80k$ vs 40k$). They are also at the top of their power diplomatically speaking with barely any competitors, with Russia and China being more and more in difficulties. Only their internal politic is messier than before, but it is not as a big of a deal as people think, just a new Reagan or FDR political era. Meanwhile, EU is economically totally stagnant or even retracting in the West since 10 years, there is a massive brain drain from EU to USA which start having direct consequences on our productivity, phenomenon that impacted only third world countries before, our place in the world is getting more and more irrelevant, and we have a massive social/migration/crisis crisis. Europe is literally the text book of a declining power.
@@mrsupremegascon The US is all broke beside having more military-industrial power. If you are talented, you could get more in the US than in Europe, what just lies rooted in their energy politics, not how they generally run things. In the US, you have much bigger inflation, making them dependant on trade to reach the same purchasing power. FDR ruined the US, not rescued them. The EU is too much like FDR, as they socialize too much, what limits the free development in the Central or North of Europe, because they pay for the South's debts, but the South doesn't automatically follow, so that's why these areas vote for becoming more shit.
The European Union is pathetically bad at securing the interest for it's inhabitants. Immigration, energy, green policies made more important than most large issues, the list can go on and on. If the Union would have more balls i'd be more supportive.
After seeing how things are voted on and passed in the EU, I have begun to be absolutely black pilled about the entire EU. It needs to be stripped of all its power and be demoted to just a series of trade agreements. Not some pseudo feds.
As someone who has lived his entire life in Denmark, I call bullshit on the possibility of a Dexit - no one in my social circle ever expreses anti-EU sentiments, and I don't even remember the last time I heard someone outside of it express it either
What is it with the EU and the punitive trade embargo its inflicted on Australia for generations? Even now the Europeans tell Australia to eff off because trading instead with Russia is their policy.
A lot of the parties that have stances people like also have other stances that they don't like. For example, many parties get votes to act against migration, but those parties also don't like the EU. If Le Pen had not been anti-EU, she might have won the elections in 2017, but people avoided her for it, and Macron won. Similarly, Vlaams Belang in Belgium would probably have won the last two elections if they didn't want to break up the country and leave the EU. PiS in Poland was very popular, but they lost because they didn't get along with the EU.
Haha i love this guy when he tried to pronounce "Geert Wilders" He legit said "Heard's Wilderz" It's pronounced with a hard "G" and a long "EEEEEEEEEE" also the "R" is hard and rolling but ok you're still an English speaker lol.
The best explanation is that, simply, the EU is maturing as a proto state and what is seen as "Eurosceptic" is more like conservative European politics. So-called "Eurosceptics" aren't opposed to the EU, they're opposed to the liberal politics at the EU level so the liberal vision of the EU. They're against immigration from outside the EU, see Russia as EU's preferred partner over the US, often want fewer regulations and are pro business and pro farmer, etc. In American context, the difference between the two types of Eurosceptics would be like the difference between neo-Confederates and conservatives. While all neo-Confederates are conservative, all conservatives are not neo-Confederates. Most US conservatives want to remake US into conservative image and don't only care about the South.
Is it possible it can become a federation but the skepticism can actually save it? For example they can still be for open borders amongst the membership but the European Union needs to take care of his outside borders first? Reduce the number of migrants coming in
@@attiepollard7847 A big problem about immigration is how overblown the discourse about it is. It is an issue, yes, but it's not worth obsessing over to the extent we are. There is a lot of media sensationalism going on about the topic, and straight up misinformation too. I am all in favour of strengthening the EU's **external** borders, but I consider these Euroskeptics parties to be the worst at dealing with the topic. Because they act with an emotional mind, rather than a rational mind, they do not understand the ramifications of immigration, and how complex of a topic it actually is. Look at the UK's immigration flows post-Brexit, they skyrocketed. Look at how poorly Orban has managed immigration flows: He's done an absolutely awful job. And often, they even straight out lie. They claim to be against immigration, and do the opposite in cahoots. Morawiecki's party in Poland had a secret "cash for visa" scheme. And Meloni issued a record number of work permits for foreign workers. So the solution to immigration is not euroskepticism. The only way to actually protect the EU's external border is through deepened cooperation, and therefore, more integration.
@@albevanhanoy can I agree the UK did do a piss poor job under the conservative party which I lost favor with because they did not act the way they wanted to be when it came to immigration. The best way to handle immigration is yes slow it down but also tell these people you're not coming into this continent and these individual countries if you do not want to conform to the lifestyle of a European. Same thing should go for the United States anyone coming from overseas who wants needs to be forced to integrate rather they like it or not and it goes against their values. Because to tell you the truth Western values needs to be superior to any thing right now. I also do believe that both the USA and Europe restart using strong economics and maybe the military action to solve the third world country problems so they won't send their refugees to the continent.
You may wish to avoid such arguments. It was core to fascist thought: either you become a dominating empire, or you fade into irrelevancy and get swallowed by those who do. Therefore the state must do everything to achieve that power (which is the purpose of fascism) It also turned out to be wrong: countries were created instead.
Since I could I've voted left in the European elections to the parliament. However, year by year I observe how the "old EU" is clearly abusing their powers and position toward the "new EU" and I am getting more and more frustrated. The shenanigans of Germans, French and Dutch is just so absurd. The only way to protest that is for me to vote radically different.
There is also a disagreement over continuing the Oxidental Europe view on doing things when the EU had become expanded towards the center and east. Is the cry about the expansion fatigue because it's no longer a small club anymore and working with the new members requires more effort?
The EU was never going to just randomly fall apart, the question is not how the people feel about it right now, but how will it cope with a crisis. It took about a decade to recover from Greece, but had 2020 disruption happened five years earlier, it might've done the job. Another sovereign debt crisis is likely at some point, whether it starts with Italy or France or someone else, this time with worse demographics. Germany is starting to fade as the economic engine. Immigration may well get worse as an issue. The effort to change the EU from within can also shake the system depending on how it goes, and so on.
The lessons are we have to keep Western culture together and we have to keep teaching about Western values. I also do believe when it comes to this migrant crisis dead I think the Western world needs to get together and just say that we got to maybe try to work with these third world countries to get them into modernization rather they want to or not. Even if there has to mean a multinational Force to go back into either the Middle East or Afghanistan. Also we're going to have to tell our Middle Eastern countries that they're going to have to reform Islam or else there are people will not be welcomed in North America or Europe.
I think this is the most commonly misunderstood sentiment in European politics. Euroscepticism =/= Euro-dissolvism , even if I don’t think it’s a good idea Euroscepticism = not this current level of integration, whether that’s, more, less, or Different, with the latter 2 dominant. I think many would instinctively say less , when they mean different. When we conflate exitism and scepticism we imply there is no room for change and push people towards embracing full exitism. If the can find parties that have a Rational and Reasonable proposal for transformation I will disagree but that is just fine for parliament for me. I however remain unconvinced that any of the big sceptic parties have a serious plan to make change rather than just act as a spanner, block, and talk.
In Romania, the majority of the populace is pro-EU. In fact the Eurosceptic AUR and SOS have performed underwhelmingly in the recent elections. The only big issue we have with the EU is simply that we feel like we are not as appreciated as we want to ( *cough* Austria).
I think some Eastern Europeans are way too optimistic about the EU. In some of those countries people want to join, mainly so they can migrate to the West, in others it´s that they genuinely believe in it. The EU is good at propaganda. I´m not anti-EU, I just think that the people who are very-pro EU kid themselves about how good it actually is and ignore the weaknesses. Similarly, the Eurosceptics tend to ignore the good stuff about the EU.
@@Minimmalmythicist People want to get into the EU, because they have the guaranty to buy high quality EU goods, what improves their individual and family wellbeing. It is not about the fact, that people can migrate to the West, what most don't want or could purchase anyways. Instead people do this, when they are not in the EU or can live there. It's instead about the fact, that they then can't be forced anymore to buy Russian or Socialist crap, also from Britain, with their small salary. In Ukraine, Serbia or Bosnia this is still the case for example. However, this good Western quality is slightly vanishing because of the impacts of the Ukraine war, destroyed gas pipelines and EU's eco-socialism. Not only does this rage Western Europeans, but it creates uprising there, too, because of inflation and production shifts towards Asia. After getting into the EU or getting protected trade access, some Western companies also used cheaper East European workers to produce, but cheapness doesn't guarantees quality output. Also not with better supply lines after a while and much public investment. Therefor you won't win outside markets, just eventually the local one. Both things (political situation and cheapened production) make it hard for Eastern Europeans to buy truly Western then. Instead some of them buy a cheapened East production, what is often times politically encouraged to produce more domestic tax income and lower unemployment, and instead give those companies more Euros in return. Eventually through EU transfers. This potentially lowers the maximum possible well-being at home for many, and then people might migrate to the West, after becoming rich or well at home. But nowadays, also Western products get cheapened because of either money-grabbing incentives. Or to counter inflation. Also, living standards shrink in the West because of the wrong economic incentives within the EU framework. In most countries, it's the people not career politicians which want to join the EU, so it's not for self-enrichment of a politician class.
@@Minimmalmythicist its because they haven't seen the downsides yet and everything seems good compared to what they had to deal with before they joined the eu
I also think some UA-cam channels like EU made Simple play a slight role in it, so we actually understand wth is actually going on within the EU. You're more likely to approve of something if you understand it. If you don't understand it you're more likely to disapprove.
exactly. great example: Brexit and most Brits not knowing what the EU even is and does. if they had more knowledge about the EU they would never have voted for Brexit.
During campaiging prior to the 2016 referendum in the UK, exactly the opposite proved to be true: the more you explained to people how the EU actually worked, the LESS they liked it. Reporting of EU affairs was always thin and superficial in the British press, and many Brits just assumed that because the EU had something called a "parliament" then it must be basically all right and didn't think any more deeply about it than that. When you explained to them how limited the parliament's powers were, and the role of the EU Commission in formulating EU law, then they rapidly became alarmed and hostile to it.
@@eddiecalderone wow, great points you made there. just the fact that the most searched term in Britain on Google after the Brexit vote was: what is the EU. says enough about how little the British people knew/know about the EU. and it doesn't stop there, there are plenty of other things to show how little the British people know about the EU.
@@ChristiaanHW As a matter of fact, I am a dual citizen eu and U.K., worked sporadically for eu MEPs (not U.K. ones) for many years. The U.K. is a different case . No other country would benefit if they were to leave. To say that all who voted leave have no idea about the eu is just plain wrong and confirms among other things that leaving was the right decision.
Actually, Italy itself did it. Somehow Poland under the rule of the right wing and now the liberals refuses and even closes its borders and expel immigrants and no one has a problem
I'm British but entitled to Irish citizenship. Took years and cost hundreds of pounds to register for an Irish foreign birth certificate. Now I'm an EU citizen again 🇪🇺🚀
That's the difference between national and supranational governments: you know better how crooked it is the closer to home it occurs. Plus asking people who vote at the EU elections is pretty skewed: guess what would happen if you asked the ones that didn't vote at all.
are you joking ? national parlaments support fell because people do not want imigration , and what you consider support for eu rising is only support for the good parts of eu, free movement of money and people and goods it does not mean people support imigration or excessive carbon neutral targets that make our industries less competitive
I think Euroscepticism watering down from pre-Brexit attitudes has brought more soft Eurosceptics into power. Most people agree about the benefits of a common market and currency, but fear Brussels overriding national legislature. In the end, it's all about finding a balance of representation for people who want more integration and people who want less.
If the economic situation continues to deteriorate (low economic growth) there will be a point that the economic benefit of the EU becomes a burden. The scepticisme will become worse and if nothing changes the union is doomed.
The problem is that EU became too much. It should just have stayed a trade alliance that opened up free movement and trade. Brussels shouldn't make decisions for anyone else.
We want a better border policy and interoperability between the various militaries, preferably a more centralized European military force would cut down costs overal leaving more money for defence, and investing in a european military industrial complex. We shouldn't rely on the US because we should be able to defend our own.
@maikelh5718 Who will give the orders in the eu army? I can’t imagine a Spaniard getting shot at defending an Italian for the European Union flag for example
@@eddiecalderone No you are right, but there is a spaniard getting shot defending an italian for an ukranian flag. Not that anything is wrong with that. I hope the most competent general will give the orders. I would have a more pragmatic view to these questions.
@@maikelh5718 Where is the Spanish getting shot for an Italian under a Ukrainian flag? I mean I don’t get it. As a matter of fact Spain is dead last in terms of spending on defence when it comes to NATO.
@@eddiecalderone Well on the other side you imply some sort of anomosity between Spain and Italy, there isn't. There are alot of people from diffirent nations fighting on Ukraine's behalf, I just used it as an example. Sorry if it is confusing for you.
As it becomes increasingly clear that the EU's original ambition of creating a federal mega-state is now further away than ever, so the EU will appear more benign and citizens will cease to regard it as a threat to their respective country's sovereignty. With that concern on the back burner, there is less reason to want to exit, with all the costs, risks and inconveniences that entails. Many of the Eurosceptic parties like Sweden Democrats would still prefer to leave, but they know they will have to moderate their views if they are to create coalitions and participate in government, so they compromise by outwardly adopting a soft Eurosceptic stance. Problems, and increased Euroscepticism, could soon re-emerge if there are moves towards enlargement, transfer of powers and centralisation and that seems inevitable at some point. If, as I expect, the UK gradually adapts to its position out of the EU and shows that the country can thrive as a non-EU nation, then there will be less to fear from taking the step of leaving.
The best example of hard eurosceptic is Serbia, they stopped wasting their time on the EU and are now joining BRICS. The fact that Turkey has been shunned by the EU for decades and is now joining BRICS is another example. The EU has outlived its usefulness. Developing eastern european nations are tired of being treated like second class citizens and are leaving.
Idk, I think it's kinda ridiculous. Almost all of the issues we have now are about general world situation and economy, or national issues. I'm not saying EU is perfect, but it's only reason we can at least somehow compete with giant countries like US and China. That comparsion doesn't make sense anyways since EU is not country, it's supernational organization. While EU is pretty integrated in some reapects, it's FAR from US, let alone China. This is reason we don't have massive companies like Apple, market just isn't unified enough when it comes to finance and other regulation/standardization. Since I'm commenting, I have to point out other issue I have with eurosceptics, they compalin about lack of democracy. Again, EU is not an country, It's organization consisting of nation states. Ultimately, if you want something from EU, your representitive is both your national government, which you vote in and direct EU representitive. Overall, while indirect, it's highly democratic process. Personally, I'm for more finace and market regulatory alignment, aka. moving these issue from countries to EU. Since this would allow for more fluid movement of capital, trade etc. which would mean better position at world stage. It's just pretty frustrating when people are just reactionarys. Also, when it comes to non-EU immigration, which seems to be sticking point to many people, this is mostly handled by member states. Yeah, after person gets EU member citizenship they can move to other countries, but that takes quite a long while. And they rarely do that. So ultimately if you don't want immigration, complain to your own government. Idk, it just feels like people are blaming EU unnecessarily. Not that I don't understand why, it's easier to blame something that's futher than you, this applies to both politicians and people. Amount of immigrant countries legally need to take is not that much.
While there is trust in the EU, the rise of the more radical elements show that the situation is polarizing and many EU parties are not listening. Yes, the EU needs to get control of immigration and re-homing of failed immigrants. Yes, the EU needs to treat its own citizens as priority #1 and not anethma to its lofty ideals. Yes, the EU needs to reform first before thinking about any enlargement. Certain countries weild the veto way too easily and blackmail the EU and the EU looks neutered. It needs the correct mechanisms before any EU citizen should think of it as worthy of enlargement.
I am not a Eurosceptic, I am against the domination of Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands over the rest of the countries. In what ways are Germans or French better than Poles, Italians, Czechs , etc.? I would like to remind you that it was Western countries that wanted to accept immigrants, which led to terrorist attacks, riots and even calls to create a caliphate, etc.The West has accepted the worst refugees who do not want to be part of society. In contrast to Poland, which only accepts refugees who want to become part of society and work.
The thing is. The EU is problematic. Its poor institutions and flawed democracy and general burocratic and autocratic tendencies. The EU needs to focus on what it is meant for instead of trying to segway into forcing a federal EU.
Very much so. You consistently find in the UK that the more people understand about the workings of the EU (which are very poorly reported here), the less they like it.
I also think you are missing something, while I do think in general Europeans are becoming more positive over the EU you do have to consider just where this data comes from. I personally have never received such a poll, nor did anyone I know get such a poll. That is logical for the most part, you'd expect any such poll to take place in capitals/larger cities which on average are more europositive than rural area's. I don't really know how big the difference would be if u polled the entire EU but I do believe the trend would be more gradual and the numbers less inflated. (I personally am pro EU but I feel like the way those surveys were conducted might have been biased towards a positive result)
the eu has been affecting me in negative ways mostly with minor things but leaving the eu wont solve much in the past it was all positive . we need to find a good balance we can't unify the entire continent
Already lost hope days ago, it is really a shame it can't be different and never will. We actually had a pretty good decent thing until being nice, enforcing DEI and regulations cooked us all. The left wing and politicians never learn i suppose-handouts and taxes won't help you if you want to start a family. Another 1 or 2 years and I'm getting out of this sinking stinky EU slop. GLHF
0:18 TLDR went to show people the eurosceptic parties in EU parliament, but only highlighted the ones on the right and didn't even bother to put the Far-left hard eurosceptic parties and the soft eurosceptic green parties. I wonder why
Good point. Sadly, many people miss that some of the most Eurosceptic forces (not forgetting pro-Putin when it comes to the war in Ukraine) are on the far-left. I guess it is because the main story of the last years has been of the rise of the Eurosceptic right. The left has played a smaller role, but not insignificant. And looking forward, like in Germany, far-left might play the same role that the far-right has played, and is playing, now.
because the right euroesceptics are the most powerful currently, they have more than 150 meps combining the 3 parties while the euroesceptic left has less than 50
The entire British Labour Party (left-wing) were Eurosceptic until the late 1970s, seeing it (correctly IMHO) as a "gentlemen's club" where beaurocrats and big business could get together to plot the future whilst the ordinary was left standing outside in the rain. When their first batches of Euro-MPs started to tell their compatriots about what a lucrative and cushy gravy-train it was, their official view curiously changed, however...🤔 During the campagining period for the 2016 referendum, both major political parties in the UK, Labour (left-wing) and Conservative (right-wing) were split down the middle, with europhile and eurosceptic factions in each one.
Far-left parties are not eurosceptic, but they want to dissolve the EU and create the Soviet Union. There is no scepticism about Brussels involved, if they do the right thing, they outright think they are above everyone as the "holy people".
6:38 well in the Netherlands it is because a coalition was hard to form and the current coalition looks likely to collapse. Also our politicians act like they’re in a kindergarten fight…
It's a shame that this video completely neglects left-wing euroscepticism. Lately it seems that all criticism of the union comes from the right, but there's a long and strong history of criticism of the union by the left, particulary the harder parties. Maybe a video talking about this would be nice.
As a europhile, I'm still worried about our future. The way I see it, the right is destroying what made us good. The consistent immigration talk and the undermining of Schengen are examples of that.
The right kept having their concerns scorned when weak, and their personhood instead of their arguments attacked when they won. As much as I like the EU, most pro-EU parties and people have brought this on themselves. Treat others the way you want to be treated, because if you don't they will return the favor. Now the right is doing just that.
Pro EU here and I hear you loud and clear! In my opinion what we lack as EU citizens is nice things to build bridges of communication and understanding. Things to make us care and appreciate each other. Like learning each other's history and literature and reading newspapers from other EU countries to get a grasp of their everyday life and struggles. We focus so much on the monetary stuff that we are forgetting how much our daily lives are interconnected. We should care more.
@@benedettakiriaki Totally agree! Though the EU definitely has to work on this whole democracy thing... Too many far right politicians willingly sabotage EU decisions to later discredit the EU, just to take billions in "support payments" to build big ass football stadiums or to pay your plumber's horrendous bill (looking at you Orban...) As long as the normal politicians don't find an answer to the far right's disinformation and hate campaigns, the EU will get more unstable over time
While I personally don't support it, if someone ever starts a movement supporting Czech Republic leaving the EU, I suggest we call it the "Czechout".
hahaha nice
How original
Id still prefer Czexit cause it sounds like Chex mix
It already is
@@monkeytimesmagazine3725 That's what I thought
Alternate title: How the 'E' feels about the 'U'
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what a brilliant sigma
@@chrisalex82 he skibidi
I think it’s a side effect of anti immigration parties gaining popularity. A lot of their voters may not be Eurosceptic (so long as it’s not filling their countries with migrants) but are willing to look past it if they agree with their other policies.
The annoying thing is that immigrants will still come with or without the EU. The only thing the EU has tried to do is spread out these immigrants fairly between Member States as not to flood border countries to be completely overwhelmed by them
A lot of those parties are also free-market and capitalism oriented. For example one in poland, a lot of critique of EU comes down to overregulation. One the one hand they want free trade and movement of people(inside the eu) on the other they want stricter immigration policy and deregulation. Without delegating any power over immigration or regulation to EU.
Exactly, just look at Sweden. The Sweden Democrats never gained many votes for their stance on the EU. They grew because people felt they were the only option to generous migration-policy from both left, and right. Then they got a boost when everybody declared them the enemy, so everything was about them all of the time, and crime started increasing.
They became the second-largest party in parliament, but came fourth (after the Greens) in the last EU-election, which was the first election in which they decreased their share of the vote.
Yeah, the only anti-immigration parties currently are far-right borderline-fascists with bad politics and complete non-understanfing of the immigration process. The whole immigration process should be redone, the international law should be changed to be humane but not self-degradading and should be written with the understanding about how the current system is fueling far-right sentiment across Europe
@@basvriese1934 Nah the EU enabled free movement of people which means a system like that just doesn't work because the asylum seekers just move across the borders.
Also the fucking return rate for rejected asylum seekers is about 20%.
TWENTY FUCKING PERCENT. For years. The asylum system is totally fcked.
It's easy to fix Euroscepticism though; stop ignoring migration problems and reform EU treaties to make it not suck. Then we can also keep the free movement of people. Don't risk EU stability for non-Europeans.
"Brexit might be followed by Nexit, Dexit and Sexit" - one of these sounds so wrong for some reason
I know. Nexit sounds like it's just a pun on next.
@@mathnerd97 And what's up with Dexit. Sounds wrong.
Netflix
one is six letters
what the hell is sexit
I think many Europeans want to form a bloc together and like the idea of the EU, but one of the biggest election issues everywhere is immigration and that's a topic which is largely a responsibility of the EU, but the EU doesn't seem to get a grip on it, which scares people and makes people believe that the EU isn't doing anything good for them
Ye im also not a fan of the whole green agenda thing its not viable long term and makes no sense considering basically no one outside of europe cares about it, and its the eu whos really shoving it down all our throats, i do like the idea of a free trade and travel block but with actual europeans not muhammad who got a german passport and just leaches off the welfare state
The UK left the EU supposedly largely over immigration and NOW they have bigger illegal immigration issues than ever.
It's responsibility of the EU only in a sense that national leaders in the European Council can't reach an agreement.
@@nhecos2998 That's a problem in the sense that when a single country wants to do something about migration it gets blocked by European rules which in turn fuels the euroskepticism.
They reject Socialism and liberalism.
It is not about Euroscepticism, it is about immigration and economy. If the EU authorities had a stronger stance against migration, many people would be super pro-EU, maybe even advocating for the European Federation.
The issue is, what powers do national government allow the European institutions. Because, very often, populists and euroskeptics are just complaining and attacking the EU with one hand, while making it impossible for the EU to have the powers and resources to address the issues with the other.
The thing is, people will just moan about migration from the poorer areas of Europe instead. Indeed, it´s actually one of the reasons why Wilders still says he wants to leave the EU.
I suspect that Wilders and Meloni will block any new countries from coming in the EU for that reason.
@@fedethefico you wonder sometimes if it´s an intentional cynical ploy
Lol no. Then the populists will find a new enemy. You must have been born yesterday.
In the Uk, it overwhelmingly wasn't about immigration prior to the 2016 vote. It was about sovereignty, and the widespread feeling amongst voters old enough to have voted in the last referendum (in 1973) that the true nature and goals of the EU (then the EEC, of course) had been comprehensively misrepresented to them by government and media at the time.
There needs to be made a distinction between being skeptic of how the EU is organized vs what we actually want.
I want the EU to remain, just not as it is now.
Unanimous votes? Mass migration? Multiple armies instead of one? Not investing in tech as much as China and the USA are doing or any other great investment? We are falling behind, and quick.
Yeah, that is not euroscepticism.
@@J.o.s.h.u.a. I get your point, but I do think we change things around and reform if we truly want to. If a paper states your chair needs to be black forever it doesn't necessarily have to be, we can paint the chair and stop being a massive pain in the ass to each other. Change is good, it is what brings us forward.
@@donbrabo I understand what you're saying and I personally agree, but that is not euroscepticism. You're describing a revisionist policy.
@@donbrabo yeah we shouldn't have one single army. We aren't a federation. I don't trust the soldiers of other countries in the lands we've fought for and that are desired by others.
You know what is worst? That precisely most of the faults you just mentioned are made worse by euroesceptics.
Mass migration? No EU wide accord possible because places like Hungary that want to say no to relocation but also don’t work towards helping with external frontiers
Unanimous vote? Tell that to nationalists, let’s see what they think of losing their cookies
We all saw what happened when the UK left. Very few actually wants to leave, people just want change
And the change desired cant be given. Interesting times.
What happened? Nothing.
There is nothing wrong with leaving, you just need the common market.
Rest is useless
nothing changed, brexit was primarily an anti immigration issue and yet britain keeps getting more immigrants
same as in France where the Lisbon referendum was rejected by 55% only for the MPs to betray their constituents and ratify it anyway
Exactly but how the picture the idea from Brussels is either you take it or leave it. No space for change
"Swexit" is the term for Sweden leaving the EU, both here, and abroad 😉 Speaking as a Swede, our general election is a poor measure of Euroscepticism. Swedes are one of the most pro-EU, and even the Sweden Democrats have moderated (especially since the polls for the EU and Euro rose following the pandemic and Ukraine war) their stance. They also wanted to become more palatable for centre-right parties in order to form a government. They did a quick u-turn about joining NATO for the same reason, the polls, Russia's invasion, and in order to get closer to the other parties on the right.
People, at least in Sweden, do not vote in general elections based on EU-policy of the parties. The EU is sadly a seldom talked about topic domestically. People vote for different reasons in the general election (like the economy, crime, welfare, and migration). The last EU-election was the first time in forever that the Sweden Democrats declined in the vote-share, and they came fourth after the Greens (the second smallest party in parliament but third biggest in EU election).
So the Sweden Democrats kind of has a balancing act going on right now. They do not talk about Swexit anymore, but they do always talk about Sweden perhaps looking into the membership and maybe having a referendum again in the distant-future. So they obviously want to say the right thing to appeal to more people, and now allied parties on the right, while throwing some red-meat to their Eurosceptic base. Their party leader even at one point claimed that being anti-EU is why he joined the party in the first place, at a time when the right-wing extremism in the party was really rife.
Do you really call it Sexit, though?
NATO has nothing to do with the EU, ask Turkiye; moreover, NATO won't be around in 20 years. Regarding economics, how can you be certain that economic advantages aren't just a product of being in the single market? I don't think Sweden would be any worse off if they left the EU proper but remained in the Customs Union.
@@mootagen1 Swexit is term most commonly used.
@@BOZ_11possibly, but the EU does negotiate a lot of trade deals with the rest of the world that benefits all their members. You could say as a hypothetical it would benefit California to leave the US and be an independent state, and while that might be true in the short term, it's likely to harm them in the long term
@@BOZ_11 Well, no. But I did not talk about NATO in that light, and I did not talk about the economy. Concerning NATO, I talked about it as another issue where the Sweden Democrats changed their stance on the issue. Like with the EU, they were anti-NATO. But when opinion flipped, and Russia invanded, the Sweden Democrats flipped. Their anti-EU, and anti-NATO, stances were also common for the centre-right parties to cite why they could not work togheter. When the Sweden Democrats became less hostile to EU, and NATO, it was easier for them and the centre-right to work togheter in government. Most numbers point to Sweden being better of in the EU compared to outside, but that is another issue.
I think eurosceptisim is lower now overal in the EU. Because the UK finally fked off.
Im euro sceptic myself. But im not against the EU. I just want it reformed to work better. And enshrine sovereinty for member states. I recornize the EU does a lot of good stuff. On part of consumer protection. And rights. Im happy with that. Im less happy about the corruption. That should be tackled. And the ineffectiveness when it counts.
I think this is more about definition in ur case. euroscepticism is about opposing the eu and wanting less integration. What you describe is a pro eu stance, which is not euroscepticism. I myself also want the EU to reform but that does not mean i am a eurosceptic
@@CrisCheese_ No, Eurosceptism is not against more integration, but towards what makes the EU stronger in itself. Because integration in the case of egalitarianism doesn't help, Euroscepticism is always on the political right, while European populism is always on the left, including leftliberal stances of economic reform and standardization.
@@CrisCheese_ euroscepticism isnt per se about opposing the EU. Its in the word scepticism. Im sceptic about how the EU currently works. How countries like france and germany can force their will onto smaller neigbours. Which is wrong.
Im pro euro as an idea. If done well it works i think. There is just a lot of corruption. And conflicting interest. The few parts i approve is the trade, The preventing a war thing and the consumer protection. But more is needed.
Im against more integration. Im against a EU army. Sure you can have EU task forces. And make a rule that in the military you need to speak english as a communication language. But those task forces should only be used in times of need. AKA a direct attack on the EU.
And of course military units. Mostly brigade size. Are from the country. Not mixed EU. Only the command is mixed. Depending on the task.
Im also pissed at that my country is a net payer into the EU budget. But when we wants something. We cant have it. Because france is a being a prick.
@@urlauburlaub2222 'Euroscepticism is always on the political right, while European populism is always on the left'
And how decided this? Im left. But also eurosceptic. Am i not allowed as a leftie to be eurosceptic? Most 'right' wing parties in the EU. Are not even really right wing. Only right wing about them is. Being nationalistic. Which isnt wrong per se. But is quickly painted as evil in the EU.
@@TheSegert You need to study the EU laws. This is the status quo. You probably aren't left then, if you are eurosceptic.
The rise of 'Euroscepticism' surprisingly corresponds with people actually seeing and _caring_ that EU has powers and influence over their daily lifes, and want part in dictating direction of that influence, as opposed to only most "globalist" voices bothering to speak or being heard.
I would call it even the more conservative people and parties recognizing "EU membership" as part of their country internally and not just some sort of international trade agreement (How many US citizens actually care about NAFTA in their daily lives?)
The difference is that the people in the US are all Americans - they consider themselves as a single nation and they've had such view from the early days of the country's existence. On the other hand - most European ethnic groups had long established themselves as such by the time the US did let alone by the time the earliest form of the EU was created.
The EU in its original form (as an economic union) used to work very well. The problems began to accumulate when it was transformed into a primarily political union.
Internal migration is severely overpopulating some regions of europe while depopulating other regions
There is difference between leaving Europe and don't want migrant, its two different stuff not sure why its sometimes so hard to understand. Its just antimigrant parties claims to be EU sceptic.
I have always voted eurosceptic - even though I strongly support the EU.
This is because I trust the specific sceptics I voted for to do a good job, AND the EU must be kept under close watch - it cannot be left to financial fanboys to run.
Any union or government can be a force for good, but only when not allowed to run free without challenge or oversight; that would be a breeding ground for corruption.
I don´t like 99% of the Eurosceptic parties, they´re all pretty far right. The thing is that you have a point, that it´s not good for any organisation to have people of only one viewpoint.
In particular, I find there is a worrying lack of criticism in the EU when it comes to EU expansion and the dangers it could post for the Union. I think adding any more balkan states, or adding the Ukraine or Albania could be a disaster.
@@Minimmalmythicist I don’t know your country of course but in my case I was in luck since we have some very left leaning sceptics as well. I would definitely hesitate to do the same if my only options were heavily to the right.
@@nathanlonghair In Spain, they´re rare, in the UK some left Eurosceptics exist but not many.
I think a huge problem with politics generally, going on from what you say, is that there is increasingly little room for debate within political parties.
You actually pronounced ”Jimmie Åkesson” kinda well. It’s a small thing but it helps reinforce the feeling that you are taking your journalism seriously.
If he pronounces "Geert Wilders" correctly he can get another point. :P
Russian interference is baffling to me, when it's proven it's basically "well we know about it now so good luck". I don't know why countries are not pro-active at stopping literal propaganda for the sake of destroying trust from within, especially if it's objectively not true and lies.
But if the is institutions were doing their job the propaganda wouldn’t work at all
Influencing think-tanks is not exactly "Russian meddling in election". There are far more influence from, let's say, pro-Islam groups and fast increasing demography caste block votes for the most pliant Left wing party - now that is real meddling in election.
yeah, this is damned if you do, damned if you don't situation... Really, the only way to fight propaganda is through censorship, at least on responsive enough basis. Problem is, you can't censor, because it is either just undemocratic (ie. against not codified but held values) or outright unconstitutional as part of law. Meaning if you implement any measure to diminish spread of propaganda, you give your opponent genuine ammunition to use against you, damaging your legitimacy, because you've shown, that the values you declare to be at the very heart of your state/system mean and are worth nothing. Values like freedom of speech for instance and particularly political speech.
In my opinion there are individuals in our countries that would gain a lot from Russian-style managed democracy. I don't have time right now, but I would genuinely suggest "Capitalism in the Third Reich" by UA-camr Fredda bland the book "how civil wars start" by Barbara Walker.
So how would that work? Should the EU have a "ministry of truth" and start to massively block propaganda that does not fit the EU narrative? How would people that are already sceptic of the EU react? I would hope we teach people how to recognize propaganda instead and understand that they are being manipulated.
Because they're insanely more reliant on EU control structures. It's so centralised now it's almost impossible to leave without economic collapse.
Isn't that more an inherent consequence of economic cooperation that is more efficient than infighting? The EU is largely shaped by neo-liberal ideas about economics and trade. Less than the US, of course, but still. The basis is the same. This combined with the general global state of neo-liberal ideas in international trade, will make any actor that goes against the international system suffer unless they are sufficiently self-sufficient?
If you want to talk about centralisation, look at the tech companies. Their global reach outclasses most nation states. Compared to that the EU is not the worst offender.
The EEC worked fine when it was just six countries. It was okayish with ten... but now it's herding cats on every issue.
@@gdutfulkbhh7537 yeah. Feature creep. The issue is partly due to problems like the Euro, but without accepting the requirement for partial EU sovereignty over monetary policy in member states. See the Euro crisis. The Euro is a good thing, but it's expansion rushed too fast, causing internal differences that can lead to collapse.
This mechanism is all over.
I support the EU, but it desperately need structural reforms.
Their unity may help them rise together as well as help them fall together.
@@asbjo No, the EU is more neoliberal than the US, because in the US you have much bigger control of lets say New York and California over most of the United States. Europe has a different mechanism through clearing, what is focussed on the SOCIAL and conservative structure in contrast to Socialism. Anyone is dependant on world trade, that's why economic collapse just has to do with own structural deficits and mostly Socialism or Democratic outputs. As Europe is more conservative than e.g. Britain, the problems inflicted by government parties or elections is still limited, while in the UK you don't have that because there it is centralized in Socialist London.
The EU promised an ideal to its membership. However, the EU Commission's failure to protect that ideal from outsiders who exploit it has caused the citizens of member states to become disenfranchised with the EU ideal.
Well, non-EU migration is by and large (not entirely) the responsibiltiy of member states. The thing that I hate is there are no honest discussions about pros and cons of immigration and when there are discussions, it tends to be the cons (real or imagined) that are highlighted, often excessively.
The French right have never stopped banging on about migration, I can remember Chirac and Sarkozy saying more or less the same things that the French centre-right and far right are saying now.
The thing is they were just cynical liars and knew that migration is a lot more complex than what they were telling their voters. I think the current French right, certainly the far right, actually believe it.
@@MinimmalmythicistWell then enlighten us about the benefits of Middle eastern Migration
@@NicolasHaufe Trade with Arab countries, Morroccan restaurants, people who understand the culture and the language, all pretty useful things to have.
If you only see problems, you won´t see opportunities.
@@Minimmalmythicist It isn't about non-EU migration either, but more about Socialism and left-wing populism. It's against multiculturalism, what is even not liked within migrant groups. The problem with Middle Eastern migration is, that it is the result of a war and non-conservative politization from outside the EU.
@@urlauburlaub2222 "Socialism and left-wing populism. It's against multiculturalism, what is even not liked within migrant groups. The problem with Middle Eastern migration is, that it is the result of a war and non-conservative politization from outside the EU."
It´s hard to follow what your point is.
2008 and 2015, truely the best years for the European Union
this video was an extremely interesting analysis
great work, thank you!
Border security is a global concern. The USA is about a week away from an election where border security is a top priority for many voters. I read a report from Homeland Security that over 100 terrorists were arrested for attempting to illegally cross into the USA in 2023 alone. It took, what, 19 people to do the worst attack in American history? So, over 100 of those people just wandering around America and plotting attacks is terrifying... Personally, I'm an American so I blame the popularity of American media for inspiring other countries to adopt their own version of border hawkishness. Like I hear Pollievre (the Canadian populist conservative guy) is now a border hawk, Wilders won a big victory in the Netherlands last year, the National Rally is growing in popularity in France, German border hawks like the AfD are winning more regional elections (especially in the east, where autocracy is more normalized). I even heard that even North African countries like Tunisia have adopted border hawk politics out of concern over migrants coming from sub-Saharan Africa. Americans are scared about illegal immigrants from Central / South America. Europeans are scared about illegal immigrants from North Africa. North Africans are scared about illegal immigrants from Central Africa. This is a global movement.
shiitty politicians ruined their countries. people want to leave for better countries. then the better countries vote for shiitty politicians too
The thing is all about the reasons. The British feared, that the bombed civilians in Syria, with Russians doing the same bombing, will flee towards Britain. This happened, because of the bombing and Europe, while Britain was inside the EU, did do the humanitarian work and paid for it, without getting anything from it, but Russian/Islamist infiltration. This was pushed by radical leftist, internationalists and liberals against conservatives and regular Germans and French, until they got attacked, too.
Note per @TLDR News EU: the "Northern League Party" is now "Lega per Salvini Premier" (LSP), known simply as "Lega", and it's actually the most important hard-eurosceptic party in Italy (Fratelli d'Italia is more moderate... Now), in fact it is in Patriots for Europe, and before it was in Identity and Democracy.
Actually, to be pedantic, the Lega Nord parties (Lombarda and Veneta) still exist, and are increasingly opposed to Salvini (see Zaia, Fedriga, etc). Salvini is, and has been, in power and yet no euroscketpic policies have been enacted. Which goes to show empirically he is not really euroskeptic, just a populist and liar.
@@fedethefico Yes, I know that Lega Nord still exists, only that it's not standing for elections now, it has essentially been replaced... even if also in LSP there remain factions for the independence of "Padania".
Salvini, however, has never been in power, or rather, apart from the government with the Five Star Movement (which did not last long) in which he was not prime minister, he has never taken large percentages, and now with the Meloni Government he has taken 8% of the votes... and the government is standing for convenience, what can he do?
@@silverdoctor6298 I think we're very much on the same page. Though I wouldn't underestimate the power the Minister of Interior or the Minister of Transports - he has done disasters over disasters...
@@fedethefico yeah
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Yeah, Brexit, Pandemic, and Ukraine war really showed most people in the EU that it is better to have a team, than to be alone. Probably also why NATO became more popular, and Sweden, and Finland, rushed to join.
@@AntonSjöstedt
The U.K. is a nato founding member. We didn’t want to be part of the eu political union. The situation in Ukraine showed exactly the advantage of Brexit. Eu nations are still arguing over helping Ukraine.
Because of that, hopefully Iceland and Norway will soon like to move from EEA membership to EU membership.
@@frcluc
I don’t think that’s the case. Definitely not Norway
@@frclucIceland and Norway have had many referendums on EU membership, and they keep voting no, EEA membership gives Norway and Iceland the benefit of EU membership without giving up too much sovereignty.
I'm very Eurosceptic, especially with Ursula von der Leyen as their head.
she was originally appointed to please the euroskeptics, as she was considered "right" of the EPP candidate Manfred Weber
EU people, learn with us in the UK, since BREXIT I feel like I am living in a cage. I'm 75, I feel like that, now imagine our young people wanting to travel and make new friends in Europe without the freedom the EU has given us before?
Stop being so dramatic....
Brexit so far hasn’t had any impact on my travel around Europe for years so you’re just making stuff up, maybe that will change in the future but up to now absolutely nothing has changed. I’m typing this comment from Croatia right now and had no issues getting here.
@@sirsurnamethefirstofhisnam7986if you don’t see the issue with losing total freedom of travel work residency and business then maybe it is too late for you
@@SupremeST25 so what actually changed?
you can still step on the train and be in europe without issue in a few hours
no checks, no change
so how was your "total freedom" changed
even in the worst case scenario, you would be forced trough the horrible ordeal of... showing your id
the horror, the humanity, wont anyone think of the children
These days I always ask for details of polling data, what questions were presented and if possible the locations data was collected. Asking questions in Capital cities may provide an entirely different outcome than asking for responses across a broad section of locations in any country.
I love the optimism you guys have, brings me back to my childhood :D
As aways very concise and informed.... But I would very much like to see links to all the data presented for checking up anddigging deeper . Thanks!
You guys should do a video on the identitarian movement. It might help explain why eurosceptic powers are gaining more power at the same time more people support the EU
I'm currently at Sussex and I wasn't expecting to see two of my lecturers in a TLDR video, gotta love Paul and Aleks
I think it would be fair for Eurosceptics to consistently point out when they talk about mass migration/immigration that they're opposed to both immigration/asylum seekers from outside the EU/EEA/CH AND also to freedom of movement within the EU. Legally speaking these are two totally different categories. Eurosceptic parties try to obfuscate their negative views on the freedom of movement (probably knowing that support for ending is rather low and comes predominantly from blue collar workers). They should be just as transparent as many of their voters and openly say we want to end freedom of movement. That would allow for a precise and fully open discussion on immigration policies.
When you look at polls, the thing is that support for ending freedom of movement for other people is quite high, but the support for ending one´s freedom of movement to travel to other EU countries is quite low.
This is the problem in a nutshell, tribalism and hipocrisy. I think if Dutch people moving to Spain, were treated like new migrants were in the Netherlands, there would be a riot. They would start shouting "wah wah, it´s discriminatory, how dare you make us go through all these checks".(I´m not saying we can realistically have free movement with most non-EU countries, just pointing out that people should put themselves in other´s shoes)
@@Minimmalmythicist There is some truth in that, but you can have more variability in that. However, also a Dutch in 2024 is not the same as a Dutch in 1930's and during most of the cold war. Instead, you have many passport carriers, while fewer and fewer want to uphold the standards of what Dutch or German meant. This is why Dutch were also questioned more these days, if they go abroad. Those, who brought free movement, because they act fine and bring in the value, all these traditionalists, they could always travel. So, there might be riot from all the rest, but nobody has a value from them, as you could also see this during Corona, when more quality instead of quantity was the key. You have to earn something, you can't just think you are the holy people.
It's mostly migration. And if it is I think the EU has to consider this seriously.
Don't think Euroscepticism isn't the main reason why people vote far right
Overwhelming majority like the idea of the EU (trade and cooperation, being stronger together,...) but also find that the EU is more and more overeaching in it's decisions and only seem to do things for friendly rich businessmen and their companies instead of helping the European middle class. It has become less democratic, way too bureaucratic and a retirement home for politicians that have no real future in their own homelands politics.
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I wonder how true these stats actually are, since so little people went to vote in the EU election in the Netherlands for example.
This is the problem with most polls or any studies, actually. The sample sizes are way too low.
Some of them are bogus. For instance their charts show 16% in support of leaving the EU in France. And yet Odoxa poll from May says 38% of the french are in favour of leaving. Also 70% are dissatisfied with thow the EU functions in general.
I think a big part of the reason for the success of many Right-wing parties is that they've been leaving Eurosceptism behind and have concentrated on other issues.
Yes, it is
CORRECTION:
The European Union is not a bloc.
Avoid this serious mistake (unfortunately very common in english media).
i’m “euro sceptic” - i want reform, but i absolutely do not want to leave. and i don’t believe that any other country seriously wants to leave, either.
I'd say, war returning to Europe flashes out the advantages of standing together.
Would be interesting to know, why some changed their mind about the topics.
I think the EU will fall apart. No European country is serious about a real EU. Look how Britain's leaving was handled.
I think most of us remaining in the EU look at Brexit and Britain today and say: Ehh dont want that.
I too am against the EU. But I don't share the reasons the "eurosceptics" have.
I disagree with the economic policies of the EU. How it discourages national control and ownership of vital infrastructure such as powergrids and rail.
Then you are against the EU's policies. Not the EU per se.
@@NAYRUthunder99
Indeed so. I love the concept of a unified Europe. But NOT under the current political regime.
Honestly, I don't really care about enlarging the EU or even creating a superstate as long as we finally sort out migration
It’s literally causing migration
Internal migration is just as much of a problem.
I would say that pro-integration EU citizens are generally always satisifed with the EU, where anti-integration EU citizens are getting more satisfied as they see more right wing politicians in power.
Another theory I have is that the perception of the US seemingly going down the shithole has made a lot of big EU decisions look more successful in the eyes of EU citizens.
I am pro-integration and every much unsatisfied with the EU. The issue is that EU is currently at the worst place integration wise. It has enough power to impact the entire continent, but not enough to have mediating coverage and get a public opinion check on this power.
It is the EU that going down the shithole, not the USA. In fact, the USA might be at their top economically speaking, living a new golden age. USA economic growth is more than 5 times that of the EU (2.5% vs 0.4%) and twice EU GDP per capita (80k$ vs 40k$). They are also at the top of their power diplomatically speaking with barely any competitors, with Russia and China being more and more in difficulties.
Only their internal politic is messier than before, but it is not as a big of a deal as people think, just a new Reagan or FDR political era.
Meanwhile, EU is economically totally stagnant or even retracting in the West since 10 years, there is a massive brain drain from EU to USA which start having direct consequences on our productivity, phenomenon that impacted only third world countries before, our place in the world is getting more and more irrelevant, and we have a massive social/migration/crisis crisis.
Europe is literally the text book of a declining power.
Pro-integration EU citizens aren't satisifed with the EU at all.
@@mrsupremegascon The US is all broke beside having more military-industrial power. If you are talented, you could get more in the US than in Europe, what just lies rooted in their energy politics, not how they generally run things. In the US, you have much bigger inflation, making them dependant on trade to reach the same purchasing power. FDR ruined the US, not rescued them. The EU is too much like FDR, as they socialize too much, what limits the free development in the Central or North of Europe, because they pay for the South's debts, but the South doesn't automatically follow, so that's why these areas vote for becoming more shit.
The European Union is pathetically bad at securing the interest for it's inhabitants. Immigration, energy, green policies made more important than most large issues, the list can go on and on. If the Union would have more balls i'd be more supportive.
After seeing how things are voted on and passed in the EU, I have begun to be absolutely black pilled about the entire EU. It needs to be stripped of all its power and be demoted to just a series of trade agreements. Not some pseudo feds.
Basically this video demonstrated that Good balance is the key for a perfect democracy.
As someone who has lived his entire life in Denmark, I call bullshit on the possibility of a Dexit - no one in my social circle ever expreses anti-EU sentiments, and I don't even remember the last time I heard someone outside of it express it either
What is it with the EU and the punitive trade embargo its inflicted on Australia for generations? Even now the Europeans tell Australia to eff off because trading instead with Russia is their policy.
A lot of the parties that have stances people like also have other stances that they don't like.
For example, many parties get votes to act against migration, but those parties also don't like the EU.
If Le Pen had not been anti-EU, she might have won the elections in 2017, but people avoided her for it, and Macron won. Similarly, Vlaams Belang in Belgium would probably have won the last two elections if they didn't want to break up the country and leave the EU. PiS in Poland was very popular, but they lost because they didn't get along with the EU.
Short answer: YES
La gente vota por muchas cosas y aunque estos partidos sean euroexcepticos tambien son antimigracion y creo que los votan por eso último
Haha i love this guy when he tried to pronounce "Geert Wilders" He legit said "Heard's Wilderz" It's pronounced with a hard "G" and a long "EEEEEEEEEE" also the "R" is hard and rolling but ok you're still an English speaker lol.
The best explanation is that, simply, the EU is maturing as a proto state and what is seen as "Eurosceptic" is more like conservative European politics. So-called "Eurosceptics" aren't opposed to the EU, they're opposed to the liberal politics at the EU level so the liberal vision of the EU. They're against immigration from outside the EU, see Russia as EU's preferred partner over the US, often want fewer regulations and are pro business and pro farmer, etc. In American context, the difference between the two types of Eurosceptics would be like the difference between neo-Confederates and conservatives. While all neo-Confederates are conservative, all conservatives are not neo-Confederates. Most US conservatives want to remake US into conservative image and don't only care about the South.
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Europe faces a choice: Either it becomes a Federation one day; Or it will fall into irrelevance, chaos, and misery.
Is it possible it can become a federation but the skepticism can actually save it?
For example they can still be for open borders amongst the membership but the European Union needs to take care of his outside borders first? Reduce the number of migrants coming in
@@attiepollard7847 A big problem about immigration is how overblown the discourse about it is. It is an issue, yes, but it's not worth obsessing over to the extent we are. There is a lot of media sensationalism going on about the topic, and straight up misinformation too. I am all in favour of strengthening the EU's **external** borders, but I consider these Euroskeptics parties to be the worst at dealing with the topic. Because they act with an emotional mind, rather than a rational mind, they do not understand the ramifications of immigration, and how complex of a topic it actually is. Look at the UK's immigration flows post-Brexit, they skyrocketed. Look at how poorly Orban has managed immigration flows: He's done an absolutely awful job. And often, they even straight out lie. They claim to be against immigration, and do the opposite in cahoots. Morawiecki's party in Poland had a secret "cash for visa" scheme. And Meloni issued a record number of work permits for foreign workers.
So the solution to immigration is not euroskepticism. The only way to actually protect the EU's external border is through deepened cooperation, and therefore, more integration.
@@albevanhanoy can I agree the UK did do a piss poor job under the conservative party which I lost favor with because they did not act the way they wanted to be when it came to immigration.
The best way to handle immigration is yes slow it down but also tell these people you're not coming into this continent and these individual countries if you do not want to conform to the lifestyle of a European.
Same thing should go for the United States anyone coming from overseas who wants needs to be forced to integrate rather they like it or not and it goes against their values. Because to tell you the truth Western values needs to be superior to any thing right now.
I also do believe that both the USA and Europe restart using strong economics and maybe the military action to solve the third world country problems so they won't send their refugees to the continent.
@@albevanhanoyimmigration is not a problem. Immigration of certain people's from south of the Mediterranean and of pork phobic peoples is
You may wish to avoid such arguments. It was core to fascist thought: either you become a dominating empire, or you fade into irrelevancy and get swallowed by those who do. Therefore the state must do everything to achieve that power (which is the purpose of fascism) It also turned out to be wrong: countries were created instead.
Since I could I've voted left in the European elections to the parliament. However, year by year I observe how the "old EU" is clearly abusing their powers and position toward the "new EU" and I am getting more and more frustrated. The shenanigans of Germans, French and Dutch is just so absurd. The only way to protest that is for me to vote radically different.
There is also a disagreement over continuing the Oxidental Europe view on doing things when the EU had become expanded towards the center and east. Is the cry about the expansion fatigue because it's no longer a small club anymore and working with the new members requires more effort?
Before: It's ultimately about immigration, right?
After: Yeah, no surprises there.
The EU was never going to just randomly fall apart, the question is not how the people feel about it right now, but how will it cope with a crisis. It took about a decade to recover from Greece, but had 2020 disruption happened five years earlier, it might've done the job.
Another sovereign debt crisis is likely at some point, whether it starts with Italy or France or someone else, this time with worse demographics. Germany is starting to fade as the economic engine. Immigration may well get worse as an issue. The effort to change the EU from within can also shake the system depending on how it goes, and so on.
Dealing with Trump, then Boris' Brexit Britain, then the pandemic, then Putin invading Ukraine have learned us many lessons.
The lessons are we have to keep Western culture together and we have to keep teaching about Western values. I also do believe when it comes to this migrant crisis dead I think the Western world needs to get together and just say that we got to maybe try to work with these third world countries to get them into modernization rather they want to or not. Even if there has to mean a multinational Force to go back into either the Middle East or Afghanistan. Also we're going to have to tell our Middle Eastern countries that they're going to have to reform Islam or else there are people will not be welcomed in North America or Europe.
I think this is the most commonly misunderstood sentiment in European politics.
Euroscepticism =/= Euro-dissolvism , even if I don’t think it’s a good idea Euroscepticism = not this current level of integration, whether that’s, more, less, or Different, with the latter 2 dominant. I think many would instinctively say less , when they mean different.
When we conflate exitism and scepticism we imply there is no room for change and push people towards embracing full exitism.
If the can find parties that have a Rational and Reasonable proposal for transformation I will disagree but that is just fine for parliament for me. I however remain unconvinced that any of the big sceptic parties have a serious plan to make change rather than just act as a spanner, block, and talk.
What's the surprise exactly? Given their attitude and actions with Brexit and Ukraine
In Romania, the majority of the populace is pro-EU. In fact the Eurosceptic AUR and SOS have performed underwhelmingly in the recent elections.
The only big issue we have with the EU is simply that we feel like we are not as appreciated as we want to ( *cough* Austria).
I think some Eastern Europeans are way too optimistic about the EU. In some of those countries people want to join, mainly so they can migrate to the West, in others it´s that they genuinely believe in it. The EU is good at propaganda.
I´m not anti-EU, I just think that the people who are very-pro EU kid themselves about how good it actually is and ignore the weaknesses. Similarly, the Eurosceptics tend to ignore the good stuff about the EU.
@@Minimmalmythicist People want to get into the EU, because they have the guaranty to buy high quality EU goods, what improves their individual and family wellbeing. It is not about the fact, that people can migrate to the West, what most don't want or could purchase anyways. Instead people do this, when they are not in the EU or can live there.
It's instead about the fact, that they then can't be forced anymore to buy Russian or Socialist crap, also from Britain, with their small salary. In Ukraine, Serbia or Bosnia this is still the case for example.
However, this good Western quality is slightly vanishing because of the impacts of the Ukraine war, destroyed gas pipelines and EU's eco-socialism. Not only does this rage Western Europeans, but it creates uprising there, too, because of inflation and production shifts towards Asia.
After getting into the EU or getting protected trade access, some Western companies also used cheaper East European workers to produce, but cheapness doesn't guarantees quality output. Also not with better supply lines after a while and much public investment. Therefor you won't win outside markets, just eventually the local one.
Both things (political situation and cheapened production) make it hard for Eastern Europeans to buy truly Western then. Instead some of them buy a cheapened East production, what is often times politically encouraged to produce more domestic tax income and lower unemployment, and instead give those companies more Euros in return. Eventually through EU transfers. This potentially lowers the maximum possible well-being at home for many, and then people might migrate to the West, after becoming rich or well at home.
But nowadays, also Western products get cheapened because of either money-grabbing incentives. Or to counter inflation. Also, living standards shrink in the West because of the wrong economic incentives within the EU framework.
In most countries, it's the people not career politicians which want to join the EU, so it's not for self-enrichment of a politician class.
@@Minimmalmythicist its because they haven't seen the downsides yet and everything seems good compared to what they had to deal with before they joined the eu
Only sos is eurosceptic. Aur is soft, they are reformist.
I also think some UA-cam channels like EU made Simple play a slight role in it, so we actually understand wth is actually going on within the EU.
You're more likely to approve of something if you understand it.
If you don't understand it you're more likely to disapprove.
exactly.
great example: Brexit and most Brits not knowing what the EU even is and does.
if they had more knowledge about the EU they would never have voted for Brexit.
During campaiging prior to the 2016 referendum in the UK, exactly the opposite proved to be true: the more you explained to people how the EU actually worked, the LESS they liked it. Reporting of EU affairs was always thin and superficial in the British press, and many Brits just assumed that because the EU had something called a "parliament" then it must be basically all right and didn't think any more deeply about it than that. When you explained to them how limited the parliament's powers were, and the role of the EU Commission in formulating EU law, then they rapidly became alarmed and hostile to it.
@@ChristiaanHW
You don’t have a clue.
@@eddiecalderone wow, great points you made there.
just the fact that the most searched term in Britain on Google after the Brexit vote was: what is the EU.
says enough about how little the British people knew/know about the EU.
and it doesn't stop there, there are plenty of other things to show how little the British people know about the EU.
@@ChristiaanHW
As a matter of fact, I am a dual citizen eu and U.K., worked sporadically for eu MEPs (not U.K. ones) for many years.
The U.K. is a different case . No other country would benefit if they were to leave. To say that all who voted leave have no idea about the eu is just plain wrong and confirms among other things that leaving was the right decision.
I’m a Italian citizen and nothing more. I will never bow my head to the burocrats of Brussels that made my country become the European Refugees camp.
Actually, Italy itself did it. Somehow Poland under the rule of the right wing and now the liberals refuses and even closes its borders and expel immigrants and no one has a problem
2:33 Sometimes I'm reminded that I'm an adult but I'm not mature lol
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That's the difference between national and supranational governments: you know better how crooked it is the closer to home it occurs. Plus asking people who vote at the EU elections is pretty skewed: guess what would happen if you asked the ones that didn't vote at all.
are you joking ? national parlaments support fell because people do not want imigration ,
and what you consider support for eu rising is only support for the good parts of eu, free movement of money and people and goods
it does not mean people support imigration or excessive carbon neutral targets that make our industries less competitive
I think Euroscepticism watering down from pre-Brexit attitudes has brought more soft Eurosceptics into power. Most people agree about the benefits of a common market and currency, but fear Brussels overriding national legislature. In the end, it's all about finding a balance of representation for people who want more integration and people who want less.
If the economic situation continues to deteriorate (low economic growth) there will be a point that the economic benefit of the EU becomes a burden. The scepticisme will become worse and if nothing changes the union is doomed.
The problem is that EU became too much. It should just have stayed a trade alliance that opened up free movement and trade. Brussels shouldn't make decisions for anyone else.
The problem with the EU began when it was transformed form an economic union into a political one.
We want a better border policy and interoperability between the various militaries, preferably a more centralized European military force would cut down costs overal leaving more money for defence, and investing in a european military industrial complex.
We shouldn't rely on the US because we should be able to defend our own.
@maikelh5718
Who will give the orders in the eu army? I can’t imagine a Spaniard getting shot at defending an
Italian for the European Union flag for example
if that happens our nato integration would just solidify america's leadership
@@eddiecalderone No you are right, but there is a spaniard getting shot defending an italian for an ukranian flag. Not that anything is wrong with that.
I hope the most competent general will give the orders. I would have a more pragmatic view to these questions.
@@maikelh5718
Where is the Spanish getting shot for an Italian under a Ukrainian flag? I mean I don’t get it.
As a matter of fact Spain is dead last in terms of spending on defence when it comes to NATO.
@@eddiecalderone Well on the other side you imply some sort of anomosity between Spain and Italy, there isn't. There are alot of people from diffirent nations fighting on Ukraine's behalf, I just used it as an example. Sorry if it is confusing for you.
Maybe not a great time to drop the ball
As it becomes increasingly clear that the EU's original ambition of creating a federal mega-state is now further away than ever, so the EU will appear more benign and citizens will cease to regard it as a threat to their respective country's sovereignty. With that concern on the back burner, there is less reason to want to exit, with all the costs, risks and inconveniences that entails. Many of the Eurosceptic parties like Sweden Democrats would still prefer to leave, but they know they will have to moderate their views if they are to create coalitions and participate in government, so they compromise by outwardly adopting a soft Eurosceptic stance. Problems, and increased Euroscepticism, could soon re-emerge if there are moves towards enlargement, transfer of powers and centralisation and that seems inevitable at some point. If, as I expect, the UK gradually adapts to its position out of the EU and shows that the country can thrive as a non-EU nation, then there will be less to fear from taking the step of leaving.
UK: Yes.
The best example of hard eurosceptic is Serbia, they stopped wasting their time on the EU and are now joining BRICS. The fact that Turkey has been shunned by the EU for decades and is now joining BRICS is another example. The EU has outlived its usefulness. Developing eastern european nations are tired of being treated like second class citizens and are leaving.
Is this satisfaction and confidence because of an increase in Eurosceptics in The EU parliament?
Idk, I think it's kinda ridiculous. Almost all of the issues we have now are about general world situation and economy, or national issues.
I'm not saying EU is perfect, but it's only reason we can at least somehow compete with giant countries like US and China. That comparsion doesn't make sense anyways since EU is not country, it's supernational organization. While EU is pretty integrated in some reapects, it's FAR from US, let alone China. This is reason we don't have massive companies like Apple, market just isn't unified enough when it comes to finance and other regulation/standardization.
Since I'm commenting, I have to point out other issue I have with eurosceptics, they compalin about lack of democracy. Again, EU is not an country, It's organization consisting of nation states. Ultimately, if you want something from EU, your representitive is both your national government, which you vote in and direct EU representitive. Overall, while indirect, it's highly democratic process.
Personally, I'm for more finace and market regulatory alignment, aka. moving these issue from countries to EU. Since this would allow for more fluid movement of capital, trade etc. which would mean better position at world stage.
It's just pretty frustrating when people are just reactionarys.
Also, when it comes to non-EU immigration, which seems to be sticking point to many people, this is mostly handled by member states. Yeah, after person gets EU member citizenship they can move to other countries, but that takes quite a long while. And they rarely do that. So ultimately if you don't want immigration, complain to your own government.
Idk, it just feels like people are blaming EU unnecessarily. Not that I don't understand why, it's easier to blame something that's futher than you, this applies to both politicians and people. Amount of immigrant countries legally need to take is not that much.
While there is trust in the EU, the rise of the more radical elements show that the situation is polarizing and many EU parties are not listening. Yes, the EU needs to get control of immigration and re-homing of failed immigrants. Yes, the EU needs to treat its own citizens as priority #1 and not anethma to its lofty ideals. Yes, the EU needs to reform first before thinking about any enlargement. Certain countries weild the veto way too easily and blackmail the EU and the EU looks neutered. It needs the correct mechanisms before any EU citizen should think of it as worthy of enlargement.
I am not a Eurosceptic, I am against the domination of Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands over the rest of the countries. In what ways are Germans or French better than Poles, Italians, Czechs , etc.? I would like to remind you that it was Western countries that wanted to accept immigrants, which led to terrorist attacks, riots and even calls to create a caliphate, etc.The West has accepted the worst refugees who do not want to be part of society. In contrast to Poland, which only accepts refugees who want to become part of society and work.
The thing is. The EU is problematic. Its poor institutions and flawed democracy and general burocratic and autocratic tendencies. The EU needs to focus on what it is meant for instead of trying to segway into forcing a federal EU.
Any person that says theyre satisfied with the european parliament doesnt understand how it works
Or they understand it just too well and are using it to steal its money x)
Very much so. You consistently find in the UK that the more people understand about the workings of the EU (which are very poorly reported here), the less they like it.
Any person that says that people who are satisfied with the European Parliament doesn't understand how it works, does not understand how it works.
I also think you are missing something, while I do think in general Europeans are becoming more positive over the EU you do have to consider just where this data comes from. I personally have never received such a poll, nor did anyone I know get such a poll. That is logical for the most part, you'd expect any such poll to take place in capitals/larger cities which on average are more europositive than rural area's. I don't really know how big the difference would be if u polled the entire EU but I do believe the trend would be more gradual and the numbers less inflated. (I personally am pro EU but I feel like the way those surveys were conducted might have been biased towards a positive result)
the eu has been affecting me in negative ways mostly with minor things but leaving the eu wont solve much in the past it was all positive . we need to find a good balance we can't unify the entire continent
Already lost hope days ago, it is really a shame it can't be different and never will. We actually had a pretty good decent thing until being nice, enforcing DEI and regulations cooked us all. The left wing and politicians never learn i suppose-handouts and taxes won't help you if you want to start a family. Another 1 or 2 years and I'm getting out of this sinking stinky EU slop. GLHF
Ukraine and Brexit has been the best gift for pro-EU cause.
And your Islamic name is more proof it doesn’t work
0:18 TLDR went to show people the eurosceptic parties in EU parliament, but only highlighted the ones on the right and didn't even bother to put the Far-left hard eurosceptic parties and the soft eurosceptic green parties. I wonder why
Good point. Sadly, many people miss that some of the most Eurosceptic forces (not forgetting pro-Putin when it comes to the war in Ukraine) are on the far-left. I guess it is because the main story of the last years has been of the rise of the Eurosceptic right. The left has played a smaller role, but not insignificant. And looking forward, like in Germany, far-left might play the same role that the far-right has played, and is playing, now.
@@AntonSjöstedt correction. It is because TLDR is pro left-wing. My question was a rhetoric one
because the right euroesceptics are the most powerful currently, they have more than 150 meps combining the 3 parties while the euroesceptic left has less than 50
The entire British Labour Party (left-wing) were Eurosceptic until the late 1970s, seeing it (correctly IMHO) as a "gentlemen's club" where beaurocrats and big business could get together to plot the future whilst the ordinary was left standing outside in the rain. When their first batches of Euro-MPs started to tell their compatriots about what a lucrative and cushy gravy-train it was, their official view curiously changed, however...🤔
During the campagining period for the 2016 referendum, both major political parties in the UK, Labour (left-wing) and Conservative (right-wing) were split down the middle, with europhile and eurosceptic factions in each one.
Far-left parties are not eurosceptic, but they want to dissolve the EU and create the Soviet Union. There is no scepticism about Brussels involved, if they do the right thing, they outright think they are above everyone as the "holy people".
6:38 well in the Netherlands it is because a coalition was hard to form and the current coalition looks likely to collapse. Also our politicians act like they’re in a kindergarten fight…
It's a shame that this video completely neglects left-wing euroscepticism. Lately it seems that all criticism of the union comes from the right, but there's a long and strong history of criticism of the union by the left, particulary the harder parties. Maybe a video talking about this would be nice.
As a europhile, I'm still worried about our future. The way I see it, the right is destroying what made us good. The consistent immigration talk and the undermining of Schengen are examples of that.
least delusional leftist right here
The right kept having their concerns scorned when weak, and their personhood instead of their arguments attacked when they won.
As much as I like the EU, most pro-EU parties and people have brought this on themselves.
Treat others the way you want to be treated, because if you don't they will return the favor. Now the right is doing just that.
Pro EU here and I hear you loud and clear! In my opinion what we lack as EU citizens is nice things to build bridges of communication and understanding. Things to make us care and appreciate each other. Like learning each other's history and literature and reading newspapers from other EU countries to get a grasp of their everyday life and struggles. We focus so much on the monetary stuff that we are forgetting how much our daily lives are interconnected. We should care more.
@@benedettakiriaki Totally agree! Though the EU definitely has to work on this whole democracy thing... Too many far right politicians willingly sabotage EU decisions to later discredit the EU, just to take billions in "support payments" to build big ass football stadiums or to pay your plumber's horrendous bill (looking at you Orban...)
As long as the normal politicians don't find an answer to the far right's disinformation and hate campaigns, the EU will get more unstable over time
how about blaming yourself instead maybe if immigration wasn't as bad and uncontrolled this wouldn't exist
I think we have gone too far with this EU - we should stick to economic matters
With Germany in chaos financially, EU is now in hands of France to be saved
Certified loverboy certified Europhile
Oh god 😂
positive studies and polls; source: EU
I don't know where those graphics were made, but they are clearly wrong!