Every country around the EU is voting against asylum seekers. Why can't we just change the EU law and stop mandatory accepting of asylum seekers altogether, and leave it to the individual states to accept or turn them away. That would take the wind out of the far right's sail, and we could finally return to reasonable centrist governments.
How did appeasing Hitler work? The far right will just move to lgbt issues, than comprise with them they will target black people, than anyone not part of the aryan race, than death camps
It's a hot topic across the entire continent and like you say, the inevitable is happening now. They need to actually start listening to people instead of acting like the issue will go away, because it won't and is growing every day.
It's not that easy when EU countries have an open boarder. In truth, the real problem is having open boarders whiles at the same time having individual countries doing their own things when it comes to the boarder and immigration. It's a crazy situation to have one without the other and think it can work with 27 different policies, in other words, if we really want open boarders among EU countries, which I suspect most want, then we need the EU to have more powers in areas like enforcing the EU boarder and on immigration, and basically, the real problem isn't the EU as such, but 27 different countries having their own policies in an open boarder union, that's where the real problem is, and it would be a real shame if EU countries continue to close boarders as that's taking away one of the biggest benefits of being in the EU for its citizens. To put it another way, we can't have our cake and eat it, if we want open boarders, then the EU needs the powers in those areas to enforce them, in other words, the real problem is being caused by EU countries all pulling in different directions, and if we are not careful, we could end up with boarders being permanently closed in the union for EU citizens.
Giving the far right what they want won't deprive them of power, it will just legitimize and embolden them. Why is the "centrist" solution to every problem to stonewall the left and capitulate to the right?
@@JSK010 Dutch citizenship is the most valuable thing Dutch government can offer, they get it for being on welfare for 5 years living in house appropriated by government for them.
According to asymlum rules, refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they cross. So the only people who qualify for refugee status are Ukranians and Belorussians. All others have tried to enter the EU from a safe country, so by law they are actually required to apply for asylum there.
@@sergioTGHLet me guess, you don't know any refugees personally, right? No one who actually talks to these people instead of relying on social media 'information' would make such ridiculous claims.
So many countries opting out…but what about blocking them at the first EU border in the first place? And kicking them from a country to the other…oh, what about getting rid of them at the EU level?
We will likely see a new Schengen Area with stricter outside border control emerging from this mini-Schengen, that will then expand to replace the current Schengen.
Exactly, it's not like Spain, Italy, France, Greece etc don't also have migration issues. There shouldn't be mini-schengen, just update schengen as it is.
It has become habit though that they anounce very big plans, to in the end get nothing done at all. Immigration has become a bigger theme this elections mainly because of the housing crisis, which was the main bullet point for all of last election. In the end they haven't managed to improve anything in terms of housing, so they shift focus away with this migrant thing. Sure there's other issues with immigration, but it never should've been the biggest issue on the agenda in the elections. They've just accepted that the bigger issues like the housing crisis they're just not solving. Same cycle is already starting again, just compare the recent statements from parties like the BBB and PVV. Literally anything they promised in their election campaigns they're now publicly backtracking on (because most was unrealistic to begin with). In the end the 'farmer's party' the BBB is now accepting the last government's exact same plan for agriculture, which they openly attacked before. In the end the PVV will accept some minor changes on immigration laws which will affect maybe 2% of the issue and they'll call it a win. I've learned to not worry about what these politicians say, in the end they barely manage to change anything anyways.
So if nothing gets done then the housing crisis keeps getting bigger and bigger until the PVV get a majority government and finally gets something done.
@@RopekingRopethemall Well yes a lot of what the elected parties claimed as their agenda is against EU agreements. So without leaving the EU none of that is actually likely to happen. When reality kicked in after elections the politicians have realized that and are backtracking on everything they said. So either we decide to stay in the EU, but we need to then stop voting for dumb populist claims in the elections. Or we should decide these issues are so major that leaving the EU is now an option. Right now we're voting populist parties that claim things that go against EU laws, but at same time don't have a majority that would want to leave the EU. Is just very weird to me.
I remember when Czechs, Poles, Slovaks and Hungarians were saying the EU migration policy is a terrible idea more than a decade ago. We were called all sorts of names and no one listened.
@@kristof6472it all starts with individual nations enforcing their power on the eu though. Think of Poland or sweden with the migrants, italy with the refugee camp in albania or Germany with the border checks recently. These are after all individual nations and are free to do so if they accept the repercussions from the eu (a slap on the wrist so to say). These nations can also deny any reform until their demands are met. This all will force the eu to give concessions or reform its entire foreign policy in time.
@@kevinbot1314 its a stupid mechanism within the EU.....we need to remove the veto power of single nations, increase fines or we might as well resolve the political union and go back to coal and stell union.....the EU is braindead as a political institution when every member state can overrule anything just becasue he doesnt like it
Yeah, I feel that the EU as a whole is going to be reformed to reflect modern challenges and reality. We cannot save the world from all of their problems nor can the whole world population come to the EU. Technically, more than 1/3 of the whole world population lives under dictatorships or undemocratic countries -- what should we do? Import 3 billion people here? It's time for these self-righteous and self-destructive policies to be scrapped and to confront reality.
well its super easy to blame the EU or germany when you fcked up your national policies....i mean its happening all the time in every EU member state^^
jeez and now i feel regret for what my country is doing, so i apologize for their ignorant state on a possible crisis by breaking and making a counter to a crisis prevention system which was made for 1 preservation of global life in a war or crisis scenario (especially if russia decides to go nuts on nato) and making freedom of choice more accessible to the all, all for a public and political showpiece for the little amount people that care about it. look wilders no one cares about your show and tell project, especially on the global stage... so yeah sorry for the practice run against saving life in the event of the global genocide called war, my country is doing, and i hope you and you're people can be at home in both you're' s and our country without the government kicking out the next lamb for the slaughter in both the events of war and the violation and degradation of human rights, eternal freedom and ethics as a concept 🙏🤞😮💨😭
Yep, thank you. This doomed-to-fail fabricated immigration crisis will, in all likelihood, cause our far right parties to allow themselves a more euroskeptic stance, down to possibly calling for a Nexit of some kind. It's scary as hell, and people are blindly walking into it.
@@rytisgluoksnys4505 yes i agree. NEXIT quietly left the party program of the right wing PVV last elections. Another difference with the UK is that you had (have) Brexiteers on both the left on the right, in NLD not so much.
@@wandeling127It's not a strength in any social sense. Differences in beliefs and identity mean more division and conflict. Diversity exclusively benefits multinational corporations.
It's not, actually it's been repeatedly proven that diversity is actually detrimental to social cohesion and drastically reduce social capital😅 it's only good for the big capitalists who need cheap workforce to exploit
@@peterjones5243 Not having a echo chamber of uniformity is a strength in a social sense, differences in beliefs is clearly a strength, but its comes with a host of negatives as well. Really wish people would stop pretending its only bad or only good.
As a resident in NL, I think the crux of the problem here isn't hat it takes them far too long to process asylum requests. Therefore, the backlog just grows. The ones who genuinely need asylum get mixed with others and then it becomes a difficult situation. For example; There's one case at the moment where a woman was denied her request and must be deported. Except... She has an 11 Yr old son, who is Dutch, because he was born here. So, it took over 11 years to process her case and now her son, who is entirely Dutch, has to be deported? This is not their fault, at this point, but the system. TLDR; NL and the greater EU won't fix this by pushing back. They need to process them all faster.
I agree that it is the system's fault, but imagine they now cancel the deportation, does that not just tell every person trying to get in the Netherlands: YOOO Get a baby in you asap and they can not deport you!! It is a very harsh decision but in my opinion it should be made, the whole reason we are in this crisis is because we have been too forgiving and lenient, this good heart approach simply gets abused unfortunately..
This is by design. The government has been divesting from public services, including the sector that deals with processing asylum seekers, for more than a decade. This is neoliberal crap.
That's not what happened. Her request and appeal to the high Court was denied within the first year of her coming here (14 years ago). She chose to "dissappear" and "reappear" at times to file another, different request. Whilst the other requests are active, she cannot be kicked out of the country. This has gone on for about 14 years now, 14 years of abusing the generous legal system. The real issue is that she wasn't immediately removed from the country when her first request and appeal was denied.
You have to end Schengen or secure your borders - the EU cannot continue doing neither. This is tearing the continent apart and is going to destroy governments, perhaps whole nations.
I don’t agree with measures that simply make the immigration problem the problem of Southern countries such as Italy or Spain. Protecting the EU/Schengen borders must be a joint effort by all countries and only when countries feel the pain from illegal immigration will they be willing to spend the money on reducing the pressure on all other countries.
It's not that difficult to protect your borders. Ukraine manages against the armed forces of Russia. I'm sure Italy could manage with illegal migrants not even having a land border.
There will never be any joint effort. Why should the North share South`s problems? When they do all it does is empower the far right. More immigration=less cooperation and more anti immigrant parties in power.
This is BS. Everyone is willing to spend money to stop this invasion and human smuggling by NGOs. It's being blocked by leftist activist judges and politicians, the problem is not money, it's ideology/politics. Forcing an invasion upon sovereign countries is insanity, whatever bs logic you try to spin.
Nothing wrong with forced deportation. We have around 200k people in Canada who have been given deportation orders who remain because they know we won't actually force them out. Nothing wrong with picking them up and sending them home on a plane.
Simple answer, the population does not think sacrificing their safety is a good trade off for food delivery drivers and unemployed migrants who cant speak the language.
Asylum isn't about labour at all, it's about helping people who need help. It's absolutely fair to think that you can only help so many and your generosity has a limit, but these people are absolutely not there to work the bottom jobs of society
As mentioned by other commentators: The reasons these problems exist is BECAUSE politicians fail to adhere to U.N. rules to begin with. The statuses of 'Refugee' and 'Asylee' are simple: Applicants *MUST* demonstrate they are fleeing from a *declared* war zone (Refugee) OR demonstrate they are a targeted group in their country of origin (Asylee.) Then they must make application in the nearest *CONTIGUOUS* (which means 'land locked') safe nation to their own. The reason these limitations exist is to prevent exactly what's transpired since 2015,..people shopping around the globe in preferred nations for status. These are 'EMERGENCY' statuses,..not products of casual shopping for the best deal. Holding politicians accountable is the only way to curtail such malicious fraud.
Precies, dus laten we vooral meer geld uitgeven aan gelukszoekers en asielzoekers. Zie je zelf niet hoe dom je comment is? Immigratie en omvolking zijn de grootste redenen waarom het mis gaat in Europa.
@@Jajalaatmaarand the current plan is to not spend money on either. This manufactured asylum crisis only serves to distract from healthcare and education being torn up and the housing crisis not being addressed.
Lol, dream on. 😌❤ This is just standard "politics signaling for the masses". Part of the national negotiations with the EU, by using public media. Business as usual.
@@elektrotehnik94 I have to agree with op. Just taking schengen for example, it is very unclear to me how different countries putting up different border policies unilaterally is in line with Schengen absent a new law being passed at the EU level. It gets especially ridiculous when it is harder to think of an EU country that didn't do it at some point than did.
Always was, I like the idea of the EU but I oppose it because of the blatant cheery picking of the bits countries like and the ignoring of the rest. Its a joke, and has been since it started.
I think EU could never really expect that all countries can do the same when all countries are different of size and amount of available homes and space. I dont know what EU was thinking when they were deciding we could take unlimited amounts of immigrants
Might be good to include the discussions around this as well, the opposition has some things to say about it. Usually the Dutch dont all agree with each other. We have a word for this: polderen. (making land below the sea) This means that all parties make a compromise.
The previous government did nothing about the migration crisis they did not have any plans for it. In the Netherlands we have a massive housing crisis. We Dutchies are not prioritized for housing, the so called '''refugees'' are. And people are done with this and the Muslim attacks. Yes the new government needs to do something about it but the EU has too much power so whatever we want won't get through. Very undemocratic in my opinion. I don't want to leave the EU, but i want countries to be more sovereign to make choices.
Kicking out migrants is not gonna solve the housing crisis. That's gonna take market regulation, deprivatization, improving wages, redistributing power from the landlord to the tenant, and so on. But this coalition is doing none of that. Bullying a few migrants will do very little except calming your racist tendencies.
I think the ‘anti-democratic’ criticism was in response to the shift of responsibility from parliament to the government. That shift may or may not clash with the Dutch constitution, that’s for Dutch courts to assess. Generally, oppositions label any shift of responsibility from parliament to government as ’anti-democratic’, so I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Except the part about declaring the crisis status to pass the laws. The current government doesn't have a majority to pass new laws, so they seek to declare a crisis situation which would allow them to bypass the usual workings of government and bypass the opposition. That is the most anti democratic thing imaginable, as their entire aim is to bypass the whole system.
The boat is full. We are already one of if not the most dense populated country in Europe (excluding microstates like monaco maybe). There are too many of us, all of us, but as far as I believe one can't start killing off half the population to make room, and as far as I know one can also not ask the actual citizens of a country to frick off. So then the sollution is to limit what comes in. And all those people and parties saying it's not true and we are not full and that migration is blown up are just closing their eyes for the problem. The boat is full
Blaming all your problems on literally the poorest and least powerful people in your country smh. You know who is really responsible for your problems, and it's not them.
There would be a simple solution to all of this: 1.) Common law across the EU 2.) A migration law like the swedish modell (and Hungary isn‘t wrong with its policy aswell…) 3.) Finally make migration to the EU so unattractive that syrians, etc. stay in their country and solve their problems instead of migrating… 4.) what should happen: a.) EU outer border countries should recieve support/compensation from the EU for controlling the border. b.) No entry without a proper immigration process; meaning they stay out until processed. c.) Entry only with proper documents For illegal immigrants in the EU: Produce the required documents or be deported outside the next EU outer border or their home country.
Agreed. Don't dangle a huge carrot in front of a rabbit and be surprised he jumps over the fence to get it. Removing the carrot is the simplest solution.
The UN should convene and write a reformed international convention addressing today's issues - this is not a crisis any country can solve on their own. Why is the UN not doing this, anybody knows?
Because whenever the UN done something useful or anything at all? The UN nothing it is job stop bothering them with actual world problems and make them work to solve them.
One interpretation of increasing the standards for remaining in-country could be that they're getting tougher on immigrants -- and it's clear that they are in some ways -- but requiring that they work is likely more a move toward permanent residency. In the case of Ukraine, I don't think its neighbours have much intention to encourage Ukrainians to return to Ukraine even when the hostilities end. Can you imagine Germany or The Nederlands giving up tens to hundreds of thousands of productive workers under the median age? The EU extension of temporary protection status for Ukrainians was to benefit the EU. I wouldn't say they intended to harm Ukraine, but they knew their decision would make it harder for Ukraine to survive the war and rebuild afterwards. Completely counter-productive to the war effort.
Migrants already need to work to enter, unless they have a family member sponsoring them. To not mix migrants and refugees, whose rights are protected by the Declaration of Human Rights.
If the EU genuinely cared about these people instead of just seeing them as cheap labour for their corporate pals they would have ALSO enforced and help pay for the construction of the necessary infrastructure (housing, hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists etc) to support them!
People think that they can have everything they want. They think they can have high pensions with no migration. They think that vegetables and fruit on farms pick themselves and they think we can just wave a magic wand.
Check online how much the EU disburses for similar projects already. Then try to find what Member States are actually doing with this HUGE pile of money. That’s where it gets effy… No transparency, in countries like Hungary you see huge rampant corruption cases. Then they like to blame the EU for this and opt-out of EU responsibilities and just try to reap the benefits from all European taxpayers money.
lol....what do you think has been happening in europe since 2016 excatly????We are building schools, hospitals asylum centers and what not....its just at a slow pace but its happening al over europe, well most of it.......saying europe doesnt care about them is factually on the same level as saying the earth is flat lol
The states hold almost all of the money. The EU has a (relatively) really smal budget and in no way big enough to make an effective change in the policy areas u mention. Almost all of their power is thus trough the laws they make which needs to pass through the Parlement whom we vote ourselves fore. The states also need to lay the general direction of the union. So for these problems the states are way more responsible than the union.
At this point, which European country is still supporting broad immigration and asylum rights? Even Germany and Spain have changed their stance. Can't we all come together to build a comprehensive solution?
There isn't uncontrolled asylum and migration. It's very controlled. It's just easy to say when your government makes a mess of things to blame other parties. Don't fall for the populism bud
There is no uncontrolled migration. Have you tried to follow the relentless procedure migrants have to go through? And seeking asylum is a right mentioned in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
it does....the majority of people dont want pushbacks or closed borders or border controlls everywhere.....just becasue you are louder, doesnt mean you got a majority mate, not how democracy works
Dang I’m early asf. Love the work you guys do. I think you try your hardest with standards and level of the large media outlets with massive bias’. Thank you 👏
A major issue is that the PvdA/GL leftwing parties have strongholds in the Randstad in the West. The problematic asylum centers are in the East of the country - Rich, liberal Pvda/GL voters simply don't experience the problems and call anyone critical of the current system a racist/xenophobe. So the people in the areas around these centers vote for the only people that acknowledge it as a problem, people that acknowledge that the way of life and social cohesion is falling apart rapidly since these centers were opened. They vote for single issue idiot parties like the PVV and BBB. We need a sane party that is pro environment, green, LGBT etc, but also having a robust policy on immigration and crime.
Didn't the previous government pass a law that would spread out the asylum seekers over the entire country, but the new government then got rid of it? It sounds to me like the new government wants the problematic asylum centers to continue
Truth. Also, the upper-class in both Europe and US, like you said, are completely unaware and unbothered by such quick demographic change as they pretty much live in gated communities. They live in such expensive places that the only immigrants they interact with are wealthy and educated. It's scary to see how disconnected these people are -- and a good proportion of these people are the ones making the rules.
Asylum should only be about offering temporary protection and should not insensitive economic migration. Offer protection to the first safe neighbouring country, and only offer cheap shelter (temporary cabins) and food. Not expensive hotels and apartments in European cities. This way you can help more asylum seekers for less money and they will not take housing from hard working citizens of a country or increase housing demand which leads to unaffordable housing.
why does every country does border security by themselves?!?! seriously how hard can it be to give frontex the money, legal freedom, authority to just get it done?!?!? the EU could be a solution to this issue, getting it done cheaper and keeping Schengen alive
@@wandeling127they tried to make North-Africa keep the immigrants and they did partly do that. Algeria sended people back or bullied them back whatever they did
Pushbacks and deportation need to be normalised, you also need some system of punishment that is cheap and effective before deportation to disincentive returns
Don't think its good but this will probably be the end game. Just look at the number of people in for example Marokko (one of the main immigrant groups in NLD): this doubled from 20 million in 1980 to almost 40 million (!) now. In the meantime no real economic or societal development, now with climate change dwindling resources. So the young people there complain "here we have no opportunities, we want to go Europe". Its going to be a massive flood of people.
Problem there is that there is such a system and the Netherlands doesn't have an asylum seeker crisis. There's a housing crisis. Migration from refugees is
Pushback and deportation dont work. We need humane and well funded systems to help people integrate throughout the EU. The current methods are cruel and economical suicide.
@@saggitaril4044 why? we have no need for them. we have tried for years and all these migrants have brought is economic strain, crime and cultural conflict. they have nothing to offer to the EU and it's people and we owe them nothing.
Geert Wilders said today that the opt-out will not happen in the short term. As a cabinet, we have sent a signal to Brussels, and hopefully more EU countries will follow. Look at the turnaround in Germany. If we can persuade more EU countries to change the European law in the coming years, then Brussels will have to listen to the member states. I am realistic that this will be a long-term procedure, but we now have the moment to persuade other EU countries to adopt stricter migration legislation.
Hungary has thrown way it's democracy in the process. It's a corrupt state without a free press and sucking up to Putin and China to survive. No thank you.
@@LDTSROexactly Hungary does not have the issue that we have. We didnt mind taking in immigrants so actually immigration itself is not the issue, but limitless immigration is the issue. We can not handle limitless incoming immigrants. We are a small country so now we lack housing. That obviously was not meant to happen. Immigration was way worse then previously expected because of wars in West Asia etc. Also these people will come in anyway. They will always find a way because they are so desperate. And because other European countries refused to take in. These people went our way so that made it worse for us 😂
Can’t believe they want to ditch on Poland who was first to call out stupid migration policies lol instead of apologizing and strengthening the EU borders
You're literally saying that non EU migrants are criminals by saying "other criminals" no idea if that's your intention, but I am making you aware you are.
Some very simple but hard statistics that need to be understood here. Our yearly housing shortage is about 400k. Our yearly immigration is about 170k. Housing is a zero-sum-game, where someone lives, someone else cannot live and vice versa. Immigration is thus directly a major, if not the biggest, factor causing our housing crisis. With mass homelessness, especially among younger people, already beginning it is indeed a very serious crisis. It is genuinely baffling why there are still xenofile extremists who refuse to tackle immigration...
I used to laugh about the usa a d its pathetic immigration policies. But now I have to do about my own country too. That while the problem would be solve by building more houses alone. But they do not want that because high house prices brings in more money than a productive population
So the plan is to build houses to house more arrivals, many unskilled, indefinitely? Also, at least until arguably recently, the US has been able to actually integrate it's new arrivals - and even then we have had issues integrating this newest bunch, just look at Dearborn Michigan. It is hilarious that 3uros think it is so easy to integrate one of the most b@ck w@rds religious groups into a democratic, secular climate overnight. 3uros thought it would be so easy. Should have listened to Poland. Even Orban had the brains to say no, that's saying a lot.
Also, the speaker sasy "deporting as many people as possible", implying ALL the people implied, while the text says this applies to "people without a residence permit". I do not know what this means exactly, but I had to watch this video twice because I could not believe that what the speaker was saying was part of an official document. Summarize when needed but do not summarize more than what is right.
I feel like this wouldn't be an issue if European leaders made better decisions early on. Then again, migration and asylum seeking is a complex issue all over the board.
Because the current farright coalition has no solutions of its own and needs a scapegoat, especially as the biggest PVV party has linked any and all problems solely to asylum seeker immigration (
There are 10 year waiting lists just to get a house here. Up to 15 in some big cities. If you sign on to the list at 18, you probably won't have a place to live until you're in your 30s. We are full. That's just how it is, we can't fit more people. We have been full for years and that is without considering the other problems mass migration from the third world brings us. The EU does not care, they do not represent the people. They represent bureaucrats who want to force their 'vision' for an EU that accepts anyone who walks through the doors with a sob story, but they will never have to deal with the problems their policies cause.
So how about we solve housing crisis by.. building more houses? Say, we fully lock entry for all foreigners. The prices are not going to drop. The supply of houses needs to increase. We need to build more houses, there's plenty of land for that
and over half to two-thirds of our land is used for agriculture. Oh but the magic pill is stopping immigration, suuuuuure. Totally not the lobbying mega farmers who vote BBB and have a massive stronghold in the 1st chamber yeah nahhhh that's not one of the problems at allll
No, there is not enough land. I would like some space for nature left thank you. Plus this doesn't solve anything. The future refugees are already being born today. The population growth in third world countries is out of control. In 10-20 years they"ll be ready to claim refugee status. This will not change in our lifetimes. Building houses causes more problems. It doesn't solve anything if you keep accepting more people. You're just kicking the can down the road like the last 50 years.
@@victimized1 Of course the prices will drop. We are entering baby boomer die off territory. The coming decades population would shrink by a large amount if we did not have immigration.
@@victimized1 a lot of people don't realize the root of the problem is the privatisation of the house market for under the leadership of the VVD. This resulted in companies not wanting to build more houses in crisis time (which was around a decade ago), creating a lack of houses, combine that with having to upkeep environmental agreements with the EU, we have a massive housing crisis which is blamed on the easiest people to blame
Yes but then what are the asylum seekers laws for? Of course they've been abused but if you were to need them you would appreciated not to be blocked from entering a safe country I'm sure.
every country has the right to deport Dutch-born eleven year old christian boys to the Caucasus, as this Dutch coalition is doing now; its called wasting public money on symbolics
Anyway, TLDR, maybe you should add resources that show most immigrants don’t come from the middle east, and that NL is BELOW the suggested mandate set by the EU.
Guess what… now it‘s time to ask one question: Will it be the „United states of Europe“ with a common law and border OR is it going to be „everyone for themselves“ again…
I don't. Everybody in the Netherlands knows Jewish refugees from Germany were send back to Germany in the 1930s. Everybody in the Netherlands knows that already in 1940 jews were dragged from their houses by Dutch people, put in work camps, and their possessions stolen by the Dutch [and that' why the archives of what really happened in 194-45 are still secret]. Everybody knows the percentage of Jewish population that did not survive the five years of right wing government is substantially higher than in any other European country. So basically, this has nothing to do with the asylum crisis hoax,
enlighten me: why is an eleven year old christian child deported from the Netherlands to a Caucasus nation this christian child was not born in, has never visited, and doesn't understand the local language?
@@saggitaril4044 Central Europe is commonly referring to states east of Germany and west of Russia, so Poland, Czechia, Hungary etc. The Netherlands is commonly known as a West or North European country, not Central. I guess they meant 'states in the center of the EU' which is not the same, since EU (the economical-political bloc) =/= Europe (the continent)
@@jugler07 Thats not even remotely true. Poland and Hungary would not be considered central european states even if geographically that would be a fair enough statement.
@@saggitaril4044theyre central european if we talk about an europe from the sea to the urals, but youre right, in an everyday discussion nobody would use central europe for poland or hungary
@@ShayNoMore1 eCoNoMiC mIgRaNts... Dutch companies actively seek and sponsor migrants because there is not enough work force - kennismigranten. Now to call migrants as a whole "r*pists" requires high levels of xenophobia and racism.... not surprised.
One word answer: "Safety". It was obvious from the start, and they were warned. But hundreds of victims (mostly women and children) had to be sacrificed before they were willing to accept reality.
lmao no tf we're not. 2/4 coalition parties are single issue parties who have no real plan for anything else. They wanna innovate on every level, yet cut spending on education on every single level. They want to emphasize healthy living and sporting, yet increase the taxes on sports clubs and gyms. They wanna return us to those good ol' Dutch values, yet increase the damn taxes on cultural and artistic events like museums, concerts, etc. BBB leader van der Plas during the elections and coalition forming process emphasised how she would "go to the EU, slam the fist on the table and say 'We want our democracy back NOW!'" And what happened post-formation and election? "well... people of course assumed that we would go to the EU, put our fist on the table and such, but it's clear that that's not how it works." the BBB claimed that the plan in-place to buy-out farmers to reduce our total manure amount was too harsh and bad. And now with the BBB in-charge to handle this issue? Oh well they're going to further the initial plan of course. These people are a joke. Wilders claimed that oooo we need to remove the deductible system NOW! These people can't wait until 2027 for it to be completely phased out. And now that the PVV is in power of this issue? What do they do? HALF it by 2027. But yeah sure, they're "looking after its citizens."
Everyone wants to opt out of it. That Pact should be scrapped and EU countries should decide about migration on their own except of 1 things: Defending EU borders. All kinds of help and funds should be directed to make our borders safe.
Nothing will change, the situation will not improve. It's all 'voor de bühne'. Our insightful leadership will always put economic interests before the well-being of its' citizens. Trap er niet in.
the new citizenship requirements will make highly skilled migrants more reluctant go to to NL, 10 years + losing your original citizenship is a lot to ask
OH NO! All those doctors and engineers from rural african and backwards middle eastern remote villages. How will we survive? Also, have you seen the disparity in malpractice rates between western educated doctors and those 'educated' in africa or the middle east? While they make up 10-15% of the NHS, they are 80%+ of all the cases.
I love how the prime minister when asked about the any statistics or numbers that justify this, he said "numbers are just numbers, I have a feeling that this is right."
@@00Platypus00housing prices won't inflate as fast anymore, terrorist attacks like the one in solingen will get less likley and most importantly europe will remain mostly ethnically european.
Honestly the Schengen area should probably split into a few more manageable zones with autonomous immigration policies. Notably the Scandinavian peninsular, Iberian peninsular, Balkan countries, Adriatic countries, and the central countries.
If you split Shenghen you´ll do economic damage. This is what´s so dumb, so many people don´t have any idea what a trade off is, i.e you will destroy people´s jobs, that´s a certainty, that´s what happened when the UK left the EU and if you abolish shenghen, ok, we´ll still have free movement, but you´ll slow the passage of goods a lot. Stopping maybe a few more illegal immigrants clearly isn´t worth it, for lots of jobs loss. Indeed, one of the arguments for stopping illegal migration is that it protects local employment and that might be true up to a point, but if you come out of Shenghen, you´ll destroy far more jobs than you actually protect.
Oh that's sad. From Portugal, I think we would be sad for being in a "different schengen" from France/Luxembourg/Switzerland, the places where a lot of relatives live.
@@vinih732 Firstly France is in Iberia so it'd be with Portugal. Secondly, I imagine people in Portugal would still be free to visit Luxembourg. The issue is about working rights and housing rights. Being able to work and rent property is something for which the EU is too big for a homogeneous policy. Staying with family wouldn''t (hopefully) come under that.
@@zUJ7EjVD Iberia has always commonly been referred to as the peninsula south of the Pyrenees, and the Pyrenees are also the border between France and Spain. In other words, Iberia only covers Portugal, Spain, and the tiny sliver of land that is French Cerdagne. The rest of France is definitely not in Iberia.
I'm Dutch, and I live on the Dutch German border. I cross it regularly. This whole idea is a mistake, especially themMini shengen inside of the EU. That's gonna rip Europe apart 😕
I'm Norwegian, if this means fewer Germans and Dutch driving caravans at walking speed on Norwegian coastal roads, and taking half a ton of fish with them back south, maybe there's something to it?🤔 More seriously though, this kind of shit sucks. We have a toll border with Sweden and that thing is seriously lame, shipping stuff to Norway is a full euro more expensive than to Sweden, many things don't ship at all, and sometimes the coppers are doing stings, meaning you're stuck waiting at the border for a while before they let you go. Having an even stronger border than that ould be seriously irritating.
All just common sense sort of stuff. It's crazy that we need to jump through so many hoops to just have governments in Europe act in the basic best interests of their own people. The nations of Asia don't bat an eye about doing what is in the best interests of their country, and it's actually unnatural the recent state of affairs in Europe where out of touch leadership have stopped doing this. It's not actually the right of political leaders to not act in the interests of their own people. Even if they are elected, they still have a duty of care to actually do what's best for their citizens, and recent EU migration policy has NOT been in the best interests of citizens and, most worryingly, is in large part irreversible. Good luck to the Dutch, they always struck me as some of the more sensible people in Europe and the thought that sane nations like them and the Poles are trying to be dragged down by nations like Germany and France with their post colonial and post war guilt complexes is just very sad to me. They're all beautiful countries and should have the courage to fight for their own people over vague and abstract flavour of the month internationalist political projects and agendas.
Not really. He's part Indonesian and tbh if I didn't know him I'd think he'd be French or Austrian or something. Our PM, now he is a proper Dutch man 😍🤤
We simply don't have enough room for foreigners, whether they are expats or refugees. Dutch people themselves can barely acquire a house, let alone afford for one. I think the money spending our governments in the EU do should be focused more inward. Our leaders should stop paying money for projects that do not benefit the European people themselves. And I am saying this as a person who has immigrant parents.
That's because the NL has a culture of greed. The NL is socialist with very little freedoms and a track record of white supremists. The birth place of apardid and sending kiddy fiddlers to the olimpics. You can't take a sh*t without being taxed. The real problem the EU has is an aging population with a younger generation who have a sence of self entitlement and expect to do very little to have a European lifestyle.
@@Minimmalmythicist Yes, the PVV and VVD leaders do care about me and I will tell you why. It is because I am Dutch. I was born and raised in the Netherlands, and I do not have dual citizenship (something they are vehemently against). Wilders stated several times that he has no issue with Dutch people who have foreign origins, unless they denounce the country and etc. Which are things I don't do. I wasn't asked whether I wanted to be in the EU or not, so I can whine all I want.
@@Kolesha It´s very funny isn´t it then that the VVD were cutting people´s welfare for decades. And yes, you are a pathetic whiner. En om eerlijk te zijn, en elk land kon je mensen zoals jij vinden, mensen die blind zijn, mensen die binnen een droomwereld wonen en mensen die geen tijd hebben voor feiten.
Have you noticed? Even those countries that used to blame Hungary, for example, have suddenly started to think about migration and migrants, borders, but they do not want to bring this issue to the EU level. Do you know why? Because they just don't care - they noticed that “right-wing parties” started to gain popularity and they want to get a piece of the electoral votes. That's all. But nobody wants to understand the essence of the problem and recognize that it is the EU policy and openness of individual countries - until they get the migration results
Immigration has been pretty bad the last decade, but just wait until even more people in the equator regions leave their homes because they have nothing else to lose. Immigration will be more commonplace.
@@yunusgokcen174 if countries locked down we'd have this insane world where we'd have have's and have nots.(Much like now but worse.) Inside and outside borders, riots, crime and inhumanity you name it. We ought to look after equator bound countries if we don't want immigration, or come to terms that immigration is normalised.
As immigration rates have increased people in Europe have only grown more opposed to it. If the Global South doesn’t develop quickly enough then incredibly strict enforcement is the only answer.
Central European states like the Netherlands.
First time I'm getting called central European, dafaq.
We're literally in Central Europe Time
@@Jalmaan yeah but so is most of europe
I also was weirdet out when he said that, but if you look on geopraphy it is technically correct, like germany, switzerland and part of italy
I'm in Belgium and my work place got an award for 'best in Northern Europe' 😅
Should be west or maybe northwest
Every country around the EU is voting against asylum seekers. Why can't we just change the EU law and stop mandatory accepting of asylum seekers altogether, and leave it to the individual states to accept or turn them away. That would take the wind out of the far right's sail, and we could finally return to reasonable centrist governments.
How did appeasing Hitler work? The far right will just move to lgbt issues, than comprise with them they will target black people, than anyone not part of the aryan race, than death camps
It's a hot topic across the entire continent and like you say, the inevitable is happening now. They need to actually start listening to people instead of acting like the issue will go away, because it won't and is growing every day.
It's not that easy when EU countries have an open boarder.
In truth, the real problem is having open boarders whiles at the same time having individual countries doing their own things when it comes to the boarder and immigration.
It's a crazy situation to have one without the other and think it can work with 27 different policies, in other words, if we really want open boarders among EU countries, which I suspect most want, then we need the EU to have more powers in areas like enforcing the EU boarder and on immigration, and basically, the real problem isn't the EU as such, but 27 different countries having their own policies in an open boarder union, that's where the real problem is, and it would be a real shame if EU countries continue to close boarders as that's taking away one of the biggest benefits of being in the EU for its citizens.
To put it another way, we can't have our cake and eat it, if we want open boarders, then the EU needs the powers in those areas to enforce them, in other words, the real problem is being caused by EU countries all pulling in different directions, and if we are not careful, we could end up with boarders being permanently closed in the union for EU citizens.
@@paul1979uk2000 I believe the EU could still function without freedom of movement. (Get the pitchforks ready)
Giving the far right what they want won't deprive them of power, it will just legitimize and embolden them. Why is the "centrist" solution to every problem to stonewall the left and capitulate to the right?
The "new" Schengen looking suspiciously familiar👀
Holy European Union
@@prohacker5086 it's accurate to the original, its not holy, or european, or a union
@@Fred_the_1996 It's the Tower of Babel, lol.
I wonder what Hindu symbol they'll use this time
LMAO@@Fred_the_1996
Borders will come somewhere
- around the EU
- around the country
- gated communities
we just can choose where...
exactly. the borders are already in peoples minds. one of our greatest assets is the social cohesion or our society and its being undermined this way
@@JSK010 Dutch citizenship is the most valuable thing Dutch government can offer, they get it for being on welfare for 5 years living in house appropriated by government for them.
@@JSK010Mandala system in Asia: allow me to introduce myself.
let the melting begin....
How are you going to place a border between Holland and Belgium 🤣🤣
According to asymlum rules, refugees must claim asylum in the first safe country they cross. So the only people who qualify for refugee status are Ukranians and Belorussians. All others have tried to enter the EU from a safe country, so by law they are actually required to apply for asylum there.
Hilarious how the same simple point gets made 8 years later and still falls on deaf ears.
"Refugees" is the word used when most of the time they should be called economic migrants, since that is the real reason they are migrating.
Pretty sure Syrians, Afghanis, Ukrainians, Palestinians, ETC...
are escaping actual war @@sergioTGH
Shush, they don't like people with a brain and common sense. You'll get labeled a Far Right Fascist!
@@sergioTGHLet me guess, you don't know any refugees personally, right? No one who actually talks to these people instead of relying on social media 'information' would make such ridiculous claims.
So many countries opting out…but what about blocking them at the first EU border in the first place?
And kicking them from a country to the other…oh, what about getting rid of them at the EU level?
Sort of, but delayed until 2026 with GEAS 🙄
You can't hurry politicians, no matter how urgent the issue at hand.
Tortoises would collapse from boredom
EU are funded by many organisations who benefit from infinite dirt cheap labour and zero hour contracts
Improbable because the primary objective of the liberals in Brussels is to replace the European people. There's no other choice but to leave the EU.
We will likely see a new Schengen Area with stricter outside border control emerging from this mini-Schengen, that will then expand to replace the current Schengen.
Exactly, it's not like Spain, Italy, France, Greece etc don't also have migration issues. There shouldn't be mini-schengen, just update schengen as it is.
It has become habit though that they anounce very big plans, to in the end get nothing done at all.
Immigration has become a bigger theme this elections mainly because of the housing crisis, which was the main bullet point for all of last election. In the end they haven't managed to improve anything in terms of housing, so they shift focus away with this migrant thing. Sure there's other issues with immigration, but it never should've been the biggest issue on the agenda in the elections. They've just accepted that the bigger issues like the housing crisis they're just not solving.
Same cycle is already starting again, just compare the recent statements from parties like the BBB and PVV. Literally anything they promised in their election campaigns they're now publicly backtracking on (because most was unrealistic to begin with). In the end the 'farmer's party' the BBB is now accepting the last government's exact same plan for agriculture, which they openly attacked before. In the end the PVV will accept some minor changes on immigration laws which will affect maybe 2% of the issue and they'll call it a win.
I've learned to not worry about what these politicians say, in the end they barely manage to change anything anyways.
That is populist parties for you. Not only will nothing change but now you also have the most corrupt and anti democratic people at the steering wheel
Keep telling yourself that Migrants arent a gigantic Problem
So if nothing gets done then the housing crisis keeps getting bigger and bigger until the PVV get a majority government and finally gets something done.
Jep and the Nexit is becoming the only choice so keep saying no we will fucking leave
@@RopekingRopethemall Well yes a lot of what the elected parties claimed as their agenda is against EU agreements. So without leaving the EU none of that is actually likely to happen. When reality kicked in after elections the politicians have realized that and are backtracking on everything they said.
So either we decide to stay in the EU, but we need to then stop voting for dumb populist claims in the elections. Or we should decide these issues are so major that leaving the EU is now an option. Right now we're voting populist parties that claim things that go against EU laws, but at same time don't have a majority that would want to leave the EU. Is just very weird to me.
Imagine the hysteria if a certain Eastern-European country would propose these ideas
I remember when Czechs, Poles, Slovaks and Hungarians were saying the EU migration policy is a terrible idea more than a decade ago. We were called all sorts of names and no one listened.
Yes, it is still xenophobic and racist
Yes exactly, very easy to be judgmental and high and mighty when you don't have the same problems.
Your point is what?
@@TinoMartinelliThat they were right, and your worldview was proven to be plainly wrong.
@@peterjones5243 You know nothing about my worldview.
EU needs to enforce its borders, reject boaters and disallow entrance from safe countries.
With more countries against the migration pact which forces migrants or fines, it's possible a large enough block forms that can have power in the EU.
Rather that than some idiotic individual projects.
es ist zeit fur sauberung
@@kristof6472it all starts with individual nations enforcing their power on the eu though.
Think of Poland or sweden with the migrants, italy with the refugee camp in albania or Germany with the border checks recently.
These are after all individual nations and are free to do so if they accept the repercussions from the eu (a slap on the wrist so to say).
These nations can also deny any reform until their demands are met.
This all will force the eu to give concessions or reform its entire foreign policy in time.
@@kevinbot1314 its a stupid mechanism within the EU.....we need to remove the veto power of single nations, increase fines or we might as well resolve the political union and go back to coal and stell union.....the EU is braindead as a political institution when every member state can overrule anything just becasue he doesnt like it
Yeah, I feel that the EU as a whole is going to be reformed to reflect modern challenges and reality. We cannot save the world from all of their problems nor can the whole world population come to the EU. Technically, more than 1/3 of the whole world population lives under dictatorships or undemocratic countries -- what should we do? Import 3 billion people here? It's time for these self-righteous and self-destructive policies to be scrapped and to confront reality.
I'm Dutch and it is just all symbolism to tell their supporters that it's not their fault, but the EU's
wrong
And they are right. It is the EU's fault.
@@FO0TMinecraftPVP Yes but people forget... we are the EU
well its super easy to blame the EU or germany when you fcked up your national policies....i mean its happening all the time in every EU member state^^
I mean, did EU truly have an asylum policy a few years ago? I always thought the countries have their own national policy until recently.
Us French are rejected of the mini Schengen? Daaamn
Sadly you are fr*nch so yes
France has basically an open door policy on majority of immigration lands. Mainly because of its past colonialism and its attempts to keep its power.
France already looking to surrender right here
jeez and now i feel regret for what my country is doing, so i apologize for their ignorant state on a possible crisis by breaking and making a counter to a crisis prevention system which was made for 1 preservation of global life in a war or crisis scenario (especially if russia decides to go nuts on nato) and making freedom of choice more accessible to the all, all for a public and political showpiece for the little amount people that care about it. look wilders no one cares about your show and tell project, especially on the global stage... so yeah sorry for the practice run against saving life in the event of the global genocide called war, my country is doing, and i hope you and you're people can be at home in both you're' s and our country without the government kicking out the next lamb for the slaughter in both the events of war and the violation and degradation of human rights, eternal freedom and ethics as a concept 🙏🤞😮💨😭
Not aryan enough.
This all sounds very familiar to the pre-brexit rhetoric in the UK in 2015.
we have a totally different system, in which smaller parties can actually influence policy in a major way.
It is
Yep, thank you. This doomed-to-fail fabricated immigration crisis will, in all likelihood, cause our far right parties to allow themselves a more euroskeptic stance, down to possibly calling for a Nexit of some kind. It's scary as hell, and people are blindly walking into it.
Well luckily seeing UK's outcome, no one is willing to sacrifice economy for their nationalist believes anymore which is great.
@@rytisgluoksnys4505 yes i agree. NEXIT quietly left the party program of the right wing PVV last elections.
Another difference with the UK is that you had (have) Brexiteers on both the left on the right, in NLD not so much.
You actually cant explain this. Even we the Dutch people don’t know what is happening.
Ditto.
I hoped to get some clarification from an outside perspective here but… it seems like just as much a pointless mess as it did before
But i am ashamed of this toddler class now called the government.
@@Terrorrai1 Wat, buitenlander?
@@randomtutorials9189 zo Hollands als maar kan. Die aanname zegt meer over jou dan over mij.
I do.
i thought that diversity is their strength.
It is not
Up to a point that's true. But there are limits. This system is broken and in my view should be solved on a European level.
@@wandeling127It's not a strength in any social sense. Differences in beliefs and identity mean more division and conflict. Diversity exclusively benefits multinational corporations.
It's not, actually it's been repeatedly proven that diversity is actually detrimental to social cohesion and drastically reduce social capital😅 it's only good for the big capitalists who need cheap workforce to exploit
@@peterjones5243 Not having a echo chamber of uniformity is a strength in a social sense, differences in beliefs is clearly a strength, but its comes with a host of negatives as well.
Really wish people would stop pretending its only bad or only good.
As a resident in NL, I think the crux of the problem here isn't hat it takes them far too long to process asylum requests. Therefore, the backlog just grows. The ones who genuinely need asylum get mixed with others and then it becomes a difficult situation.
For example; There's one case at the moment where a woman was denied her request and must be deported. Except... She has an 11 Yr old son, who is Dutch, because he was born here. So, it took over 11 years to process her case and now her son, who is entirely Dutch, has to be deported? This is not their fault, at this point, but the system.
TLDR; NL and the greater EU won't fix this by pushing back. They need to process them all faster.
I agree that it is the system's fault, but imagine they now cancel the deportation, does that not just tell every person trying to get in the Netherlands: YOOO Get a baby in you asap and they can not deport you!!
It is a very harsh decision but in my opinion it should be made, the whole reason we are in this crisis is because we have been too forgiving and lenient, this good heart approach simply gets abused unfortunately..
Ze moeten allemaal OPTYFEN
This is by design. The government has been divesting from public services, including the sector that deals with processing asylum seekers, for more than a decade. This is neoliberal crap.
That's not what happened.
Her request and appeal to the high Court was denied within the first year of her coming here (14 years ago).
She chose to "dissappear" and "reappear" at times to file another, different request. Whilst the other requests are active, she cannot be kicked out of the country.
This has gone on for about 14 years now, 14 years of abusing the generous legal system.
The real issue is that she wasn't immediately removed from the country when her first request and appeal was denied.
@@stefanverweij1684 indeed we just need to stop accepting new migrants process the people that we have now
You have to end Schengen or secure your borders - the EU cannot continue doing neither.
This is tearing the continent apart and is going to destroy governments, perhaps whole nations.
Drama queen
I don’t agree with measures that simply make the immigration problem the problem of Southern countries such as Italy or Spain.
Protecting the EU/Schengen borders must be a joint effort by all countries and only when countries feel the pain from illegal immigration will they be willing to spend the money on reducing the pressure on all other countries.
yes agreed but hard to agree on at the European level. so this is the "second-best" solution
It's not that difficult to protect your borders. Ukraine manages against the armed forces of Russia. I'm sure Italy could manage with illegal migrants not even having a land border.
I'm all in favor of an opt-out for every country in the EU until we can start solving the fundamental problem.
There will never be any joint effort. Why should the North share South`s problems?
When they do all it does is empower the far right.
More immigration=less cooperation and more anti immigrant parties in power.
This is BS. Everyone is willing to spend money to stop this invasion and human smuggling by NGOs.
It's being blocked by leftist activist judges and politicians, the problem is not money, it's ideology/politics.
Forcing an invasion upon sovereign countries is insanity, whatever bs logic you try to spin.
Nothing wrong with forced deportation. We have around 200k people in Canada who have been given deportation orders who remain because they know we won't actually force them out. Nothing wrong with picking them up and sending them home on a plane.
If you say there is nothing wrong then we all will have to take your word for it, I guess...
Simple answer, the population does not think sacrificing their safety is a good trade off for food delivery drivers and unemployed migrants who cant speak the language.
It seems widespread clash of values & public safety perceptions, are the things driving this shift. 😶❤️
Asylum isn't about labour at all, it's about helping people who need help. It's absolutely fair to think that you can only help so many and your generosity has a limit, but these people are absolutely not there to work the bottom jobs of society
@@Aspartame69 Food delivery drivers are not necessarily asylum seekers.
Least hitlerian Europoor
The NL population sacrificed their safety a long time ago to moroccan and turkish R/-\TS. Most of those R/-\TS get social funds and commit crimes.
As mentioned by other commentators: The reasons these problems exist is BECAUSE politicians fail to adhere to U.N. rules to begin with.
The statuses of 'Refugee' and 'Asylee' are simple: Applicants *MUST* demonstrate they are fleeing from a *declared* war zone (Refugee) OR demonstrate they are a targeted group in their country of origin (Asylee.) Then they must make application in the nearest *CONTIGUOUS* (which means 'land locked') safe nation to their own. The reason these limitations exist is to prevent exactly what's transpired since 2015,..people shopping around the globe in preferred nations for status. These are 'EMERGENCY' statuses,..not products of casual shopping for the best deal. Holding politicians accountable is the only way to curtail such malicious fraud.
And meanwhile massive cuts in healthcare, housing and education. People are so narrow sighted on one issues that it will destroy the country.
A high amount of asylum migrants doesn't help to fund healthcare, housing or education. They're very expensive.
Precies, dus laten we vooral meer geld uitgeven aan gelukszoekers en asielzoekers. Zie je zelf niet hoe dom je comment is?
Immigratie en omvolking zijn de grootste redenen waarom het mis gaat in Europa.
@@Jajalaatmaarand the current plan is to not spend money on either. This manufactured asylum crisis only serves to distract from healthcare and education being torn up and the housing crisis not being addressed.
That's actually untrue, there are however cuts in the immigration department, which is rather silly when you want to get rid of immigrants.
@@JajalaatmaarNotice how you don't acknowledge the problem directly and spin this onto migrants
The EU is quickly becoming a choose your own adventure union.
Lol, dream on. 😌❤
This is just standard "politics signaling for the masses".
Part of the national negotiations with the EU, by using public media.
Business as usual.
@@elektrotehnik94 I have to agree with op. Just taking schengen for example, it is very unclear to me how different countries putting up different border policies unilaterally is in line with Schengen absent a new law being passed at the EU level. It gets especially ridiculous when it is harder to think of an EU country that didn't do it at some point than did.
Always was, I like the idea of the EU but I oppose it because of the blatant cheery picking of the bits countries like and the ignoring of the rest. Its a joke, and has been since it started.
I think EU could never really expect that all countries can do the same when all countries are different of size and amount of available homes and space. I dont know what EU was thinking when they were deciding we could take unlimited amounts of immigrants
Might be good to include the discussions around this as well, the opposition has some things to say about it. Usually the Dutch dont all agree with each other. We have a word for this: polderen. (making land below the sea) This means that all parties make a compromise.
Even left politician Timmermans is calling for harder immigration, the message has been delivered.
The previous government did nothing about the migration crisis they did not have any plans for it. In the Netherlands we have a massive housing crisis. We Dutchies are not prioritized for housing, the so called '''refugees'' are. And people are done with this and the Muslim attacks. Yes the new government needs to do something about it but the EU has too much power so whatever we want won't get through. Very undemocratic in my opinion. I don't want to leave the EU, but i want countries to be more sovereign to make choices.
Kicking out migrants is not gonna solve the housing crisis. That's gonna take market regulation, deprivatization, improving wages, redistributing power from the landlord to the tenant, and so on. But this coalition is doing none of that. Bullying a few migrants will do very little except calming your racist tendencies.
None of this sounds unreasonable or "anti-democratic".
The anti-democratic bit is about using an emergency law to get extra power while the opposition argues it is not the emergency it was intended for.
They sign a agreement and then wanna go against the terms of the agreement. Flip floping
Seriously? No legal assitance for asaylum seakers?
I think the ‘anti-democratic’ criticism was in response to the shift of responsibility from parliament to the government. That shift may or may not clash with the Dutch constitution, that’s for Dutch courts to assess.
Generally, oppositions label any shift of responsibility from parliament to government as ’anti-democratic’, so I wouldn’t read too much into that.
Except the part about declaring the crisis status to pass the laws. The current government doesn't have a majority to pass new laws, so they seek to declare a crisis situation which would allow them to bypass the usual workings of government and bypass the opposition. That is the most anti democratic thing imaginable, as their entire aim is to bypass the whole system.
The boat is full. We are already one of if not the most dense populated country in Europe (excluding microstates like monaco maybe). There are too many of us, all of us, but as far as I believe one can't start killing off half the population to make room, and as far as I know one can also not ask the actual citizens of a country to frick off. So then the sollution is to limit what comes in. And all those people and parties saying it's not true and we are not full and that migration is blown up are just closing their eyes for the problem. The boat is full
I mean... they did in the 1960s with the migrant wave to Canada... but nobody wants that to happen again xD
Blaming all your problems on literally the poorest and least powerful people in your country smh. You know who is really responsible for your problems, and it's not them.
Nonsense. There's plenty space, for example we can stop meat farming, which we largely don't need (iirc 80% of produce is exported)
How about we just build more houses and make them bigger than 2 floors?
LIES, RACISM. YUCK!
There would be a simple solution to all of this:
1.) Common law across the EU
2.) A migration law like the swedish modell (and Hungary isn‘t wrong with its policy aswell…)
3.) Finally make migration to the EU so unattractive that syrians, etc. stay in their country and solve their problems instead of migrating…
4.) what should happen:
a.) EU outer border countries should recieve support/compensation from the EU for controlling the border.
b.) No entry without a proper immigration process; meaning they stay out until processed.
c.) Entry only with proper documents
For illegal immigrants in the EU: Produce the required documents or be deported outside the next EU outer border or their home country.
Agreed. Don't dangle a huge carrot in front of a rabbit and be surprised he jumps over the fence to get it. Removing the carrot is the simplest solution.
Why does the pm of the netherlands look like a vampire?
Maybe because spies need to have vampire skills to do their work incognito?
The UN should convene and write a reformed international convention addressing today's issues - this is not a crisis any country can solve on their own. Why is the UN not doing this, anybody knows?
Because whenever the UN done something useful or anything at all? The UN nothing it is job stop bothering them with actual world problems and make them work to solve them.
Please not the UN. Totally useless
The UN put Saudi arabia in charge of the women's rights
That's all you need to know on how big a joke it is
UN is for immigration. They even promote it 😂😂
Did we just invent the West-Germanic Union and leave our Belgian and Swiss brothers out?
Brothers?
Belgium is included
Belgium is also partly French. Flanders need to return to the Netherlands
Man we need this kind of policy here in Canada too
What kind of policy? Canada is not in the EU…
@@TinoMartinelli 🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️
Every European wants to opt out from that insanity
One interpretation of increasing the standards for remaining in-country could be that they're getting tougher on immigrants -- and it's clear that they are in some ways -- but requiring that they work is likely more a move toward permanent residency. In the case of Ukraine, I don't think its neighbours have much intention to encourage Ukrainians to return to Ukraine even when the hostilities end. Can you imagine Germany or The Nederlands giving up tens to hundreds of thousands of productive workers under the median age? The EU extension of temporary protection status for Ukrainians was to benefit the EU. I wouldn't say they intended to harm Ukraine, but they knew their decision would make it harder for Ukraine to survive the war and rebuild afterwards. Completely counter-productive to the war effort.
Migrants already need to work to enter, unless they have a family member sponsoring them. To not mix migrants and refugees, whose rights are protected by the Declaration of Human Rights.
If the EU genuinely cared about these people instead of just seeing them as cheap labour for their corporate pals they would have ALSO enforced and help pay for the construction of the necessary infrastructure (housing, hospitals, schools, doctors, dentists etc) to support them!
People think that they can have everything they want. They think they can have high pensions with no migration. They think that vegetables and fruit on farms pick themselves and they think we can just wave a magic wand.
EU already hates migrants, no one will agree to give them resources.
Check online how much the EU disburses for similar projects already. Then try to find what Member States are actually doing with this HUGE pile of money. That’s where it gets effy… No transparency, in countries like Hungary you see huge rampant corruption cases. Then they like to blame the EU for this and opt-out of EU responsibilities and just try to reap the benefits from all European taxpayers money.
lol....what do you think has been happening in europe since 2016 excatly????We are building schools, hospitals asylum centers and what not....its just at a slow pace but its happening al over europe, well most of it.......saying europe doesnt care about them is factually on the same level as saying the earth is flat lol
The states hold almost all of the money. The EU has a (relatively) really smal budget and in no way big enough to make an effective change in the policy areas u mention. Almost all of their power is thus trough the laws they make which needs to pass through the Parlement whom we vote ourselves fore. The states also need to lay the general direction of the union. So for these problems the states are way more responsible than the union.
At this point, which European country is still supporting broad immigration and asylum rights? Even Germany and Spain have changed their stance. Can't we all come together to build a comprehensive solution?
You would think that the EU would reflect the views of its citizens. Who the hell wants uncontrolled migration or asylum?
There isn't uncontrolled asylum and migration. It's very controlled. It's just easy to say when your government makes a mess of things to blame other parties. Don't fall for the populism bud
There is no uncontrolled migration. Have you tried to follow the relentless procedure migrants have to go through? And seeking asylum is a right mentioned in the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
@@00Platypus00scum
it does....the majority of people dont want pushbacks or closed borders or border controlls everywhere.....just becasue you are louder, doesnt mean you got a majority mate, not how democracy works
Over 70% of Europeans said migration is the biggest threat to Europe, you are living on your own delusional bubble
These are pretty fair tbh
Dang I’m early asf. Love the work you guys do. I think you try your hardest with standards and level of the large media outlets with massive bias’. Thank you 👏
I like the new parlament design, especially with splitting it into 8ths. I would like to add that you only get to make circles or rectangles, not both
A major issue is that the PvdA/GL leftwing parties have strongholds in the Randstad in the West. The problematic asylum centers are in the East of the country - Rich, liberal Pvda/GL voters simply don't experience the problems and call anyone critical of the current system a racist/xenophobe. So the people in the areas around these centers vote for the only people that acknowledge it as a problem, people that acknowledge that the way of life and social cohesion is falling apart rapidly since these centers were opened. They vote for single issue idiot parties like the PVV and BBB. We need a sane party that is pro environment, green, LGBT etc, but also having a robust policy on immigration and crime.
A sensible viewpoint? In the UA-cam comment section? Am I dreaming?
We don't want to look further than their nose long is
Didn't the previous government pass a law that would spread out the asylum seekers over the entire country, but the new government then got rid of it? It sounds to me like the new government wants the problematic asylum centers to continue
Truth. Also, the upper-class in both Europe and US, like you said, are completely unaware and unbothered by such quick demographic change as they pretty much live in gated communities. They live in such expensive places that the only immigrants they interact with are wealthy and educated. It's scary to see how disconnected these people are -- and a good proportion of these people are the ones making the rules.
😂@@Chiewrt
Asylum should only be about offering temporary protection and should not insensitive economic migration. Offer protection to the first safe neighbouring country, and only offer cheap shelter (temporary cabins) and food. Not expensive hotels and apartments in European cities. This way you can help more asylum seekers for less money and they will not take housing from hard working citizens of a country or increase housing demand which leads to unaffordable housing.
why does every country does border security by themselves?!?!
seriously how hard can it be to give frontex the money, legal freedom, authority to just get it done?!?!?
the EU could be a solution to this issue, getting it done cheaper and keeping Schengen alive
Hire former East German border personnel. They are old now but they know how it works.
"JUST GIVE ALL THE POWER TO THE EU" yeah, because that will end well. Delusional.
Agreed, there should be a tough border on the outside of Europe, and free movement within.
They want open borders for the economy as well. Also its very hard to control the whole border and it obviously costs money
@@wandeling127they tried to make North-Africa keep the immigrants and they did partly do that. Algeria sended people back or bullied them back whatever they did
They call it "strictest ever"... I heard nothing that is unlogical or "extreme"
Pushbacks and deportation need to be normalised, you also need some system of punishment that is cheap and effective before deportation to disincentive returns
Without a very strong deterrent the crisis will never end , no matter what they try
Don't think its good but this will probably be the end game.
Just look at the number of people in for example Marokko (one of the main immigrant groups in NLD): this doubled from 20 million in 1980 to almost 40 million (!) now.
In the meantime no real economic or societal development, now with climate change dwindling resources. So the young people there complain "here we have no opportunities, we want to go Europe".
Its going to be a massive flood of people.
Problem there is that there is such a system and the Netherlands doesn't have an asylum seeker crisis. There's a housing crisis.
Migration from refugees is
Pushback and deportation dont work.
We need humane and well funded systems to help people integrate throughout the EU.
The current methods are cruel and economical suicide.
@@saggitaril4044 why? we have no need for them. we have tried for years and all these migrants have brought is economic strain, crime and cultural conflict. they have nothing to offer to the EU and it's people and we owe them nothing.
Geert Wilders said today that the opt-out will not happen in the short term. As a cabinet, we have sent a signal to Brussels, and hopefully more EU countries will follow. Look at the turnaround in Germany. If we can persuade more EU countries to change the European law in the coming years, then Brussels will have to listen to the member states. I am realistic that this will be a long-term procedure, but we now have the moment to persuade other EU countries to adopt stricter migration legislation.
It's not like we told you...
But we told you
Greetings from Hungary
Ye and we told u ur losing your democracy, greetings from a place where your vote actually counts
Look, a bigot
Bro you live in Hungary
Hungary has thrown way it's democracy in the process. It's a corrupt state without a free press and sucking up to Putin and China to survive. No thank you.
@@LDTSROexactly Hungary does not have the issue that we have. We didnt mind taking in immigrants so actually immigration itself is not the issue, but limitless immigration is the issue. We can not handle limitless incoming immigrants. We are a small country so now we lack housing. That obviously was not meant to happen. Immigration was way worse then previously expected because of wars in West Asia etc. Also these people will come in anyway. They will always find a way because they are so desperate. And because other European countries refused to take in. These people went our way so that made it worse for us 😂
Can’t believe they want to ditch on Poland who was first to call out stupid migration policies lol
instead of apologizing and strengthening the EU borders
I am EU citizen and don't think that we have to force our people unwillingly to provide food and housing for non EU migrants and other criminals.
You're literally saying that non EU migrants are criminals by saying "other criminals" no idea if that's your intention, but I am making you aware you are.
Cos they're not from the EU doesn't mean they're criminals.
The right to seek asylum is on the Declaration of Human Rights. Do you oppose it?
How do you know that@@fallenclara
@@00Platypus00and it say to seek 1st safe nation
Some very simple but hard statistics that need to be understood here. Our yearly housing shortage is about 400k. Our yearly immigration is about 170k. Housing is a zero-sum-game, where someone lives, someone else cannot live and vice versa. Immigration is thus directly a major, if not the biggest, factor causing our housing crisis. With mass homelessness, especially among younger people, already beginning it is indeed a very serious crisis.
It is genuinely baffling why there are still xenofile extremists who refuse to tackle immigration...
Remember guys it's only a sin if Hungary or any other Eastern European country does it
The EU doesn’t like leaders who stand up for themselves and defy their desires
Shoutout to TD;DR for always bringing correct, un-bias Dutch political news
I support these changes, they should be implemented on an EU level.
same!
They should be required as a minimum standard
This is a problem all European countries face. The system is broken. It should be solved by European cooperation.
I used to laugh about the usa a d its pathetic immigration policies. But now I have to do about my own country too. That while the problem would be solve by building more houses alone. But they do not want that because high house prices brings in more money than a productive population
You're absolutely right , small country's in Europe can fit the entire third world in if we just build more houses
American immigration policies are still far worse than Europe’s. You guys have birthright citizenship, which is completely insane.
@@zorgon409 It can fit your sense of proportion just fine without any additional housing, though!
So the plan is to build houses to house more arrivals, many unskilled, indefinitely?
Also, at least until arguably recently, the US has been able to actually integrate it's new arrivals - and even then we have had issues integrating this newest bunch, just look at Dearborn Michigan. It is hilarious that 3uros think it is so easy to integrate one of the most b@ck w@rds religious groups into a democratic, secular climate overnight. 3uros thought it would be so easy. Should have listened to Poland. Even Orban had the brains to say no, that's saying a lot.
Building more houses is no solution. The world is huge, the Netherlands is small and one of the most overcrowded countries in the world already.
The text says "criminal offences" and the speaker says "nuisances" as the cause for declaring 'undesirability'. Clearly, not the same!
Also, the speaker sasy "deporting as many people as possible", implying ALL the people implied, while the text says this applies to "people without a residence permit". I do not know what this means exactly, but I had to watch this video twice because I could not believe that what the speaker was saying was part of an official document. Summarize when needed but do not summarize more than what is right.
Best of luck to Netherlands.
B1 language level for naturalization is an increase? That's rather surprising tbh.
Turns out diversity isn't a strength.
Diversity in a strength in moderation, which is something that hasn't happened in the last few years in many countries.
I feel like this wouldn't be an issue if European leaders made better decisions early on. Then again, migration and asylum seeking is a complex issue all over the board.
Because it isn't working at all and any improvement is delayed until 2026? 🤔
Because the current farright coalition has no solutions of its own and needs a scapegoat, especially as the biggest PVV party has linked any and all problems solely to asylum seeker immigration (
There are 10 year waiting lists just to get a house here. Up to 15 in some big cities. If you sign on to the list at 18, you probably won't have a place to live until you're in your 30s.
We are full. That's just how it is, we can't fit more people. We have been full for years and that is without considering the other problems mass migration from the third world brings us.
The EU does not care, they do not represent the people. They represent bureaucrats who want to force their 'vision' for an EU that accepts anyone who walks through the doors with a sob story, but they will never have to deal with the problems their policies cause.
So how about we solve housing crisis by.. building more houses? Say, we fully lock entry for all foreigners. The prices are not going to drop. The supply of houses needs to increase. We need to build more houses, there's plenty of land for that
and over half to two-thirds of our land is used for agriculture. Oh but the magic pill is stopping immigration, suuuuuure. Totally not the lobbying mega farmers who vote BBB and have a massive stronghold in the 1st chamber yeah nahhhh that's not one of the problems at allll
No, there is not enough land. I would like some space for nature left thank you. Plus this doesn't solve anything. The future refugees are already being born today. The population growth in third world countries is out of control. In 10-20 years they"ll be ready to claim refugee status. This will not change in our lifetimes. Building houses causes more problems. It doesn't solve anything if you keep accepting more people. You're just kicking the can down the road like the last 50 years.
@@victimized1 Of course the prices will drop. We are entering baby boomer die off territory. The coming decades population would shrink by a large amount if we did not have immigration.
@@victimized1 a lot of people don't realize the root of the problem is the privatisation of the house market for under the leadership of the VVD. This resulted in companies not wanting to build more houses in crisis time (which was around a decade ago), creating a lack of houses, combine that with having to upkeep environmental agreements with the EU, we have a massive housing crisis which is blamed on the easiest people to blame
Goddamn our new min-pres looks like he has survived both D-day and Stalingrad
He is ready
Its good to see countries finally acknowledging the obvious most same people already know
What is obvious...?
@@00Platypus00that europe is for Europeans
We need John Rambo at the borders.
Look. Someone advocating to shoot people.
Schengen isnt perfect & the conventions arent geared to today.
The conventions fails to take weaponized migration into account...
Every country has the right to deny ANYONE at their border, it's called sovereignty.
ALL of these countries signed UN doctrines that require them to accept migrants from war torn countries, this was implemented after ww2
Not in the Eu they dont.
Yes but then what are the asylum seekers laws for? Of course they've been abused but if you were to need them you would appreciated not to be blocked from entering a safe country I'm sure.
every country has the right to deport Dutch-born eleven year old christian boys to the Caucasus, as this Dutch coalition is doing now; its called wasting public money on symbolics
Anyway, TLDR, maybe you should add resources that show most immigrants don’t come from the middle east, and that NL is BELOW the suggested mandate set by the EU.
Europe for Europeans
@@dinofangzz Then by the same logic all the millions of Europeans living in other continents should be sent back.
@@soundscape26they shouldn’t be in Africa period. Kenya, South Africa, Côte d'Ivoire & more should remove those people.
@@mr.x817 þat's not our responsibility.
Þat's þe responsibilty of African nations to keep þeir country pure.
What is your definition of European then?
Citizens of a European country?
Guess what… now it‘s time to ask one question: Will it be the „United states of Europe“ with a common law and border OR is it going to be „everyone for themselves“ again…
I wonder why. I rly wonder why.
I don't. Everybody in the Netherlands knows Jewish refugees from Germany were send back to Germany in the 1930s. Everybody in the Netherlands knows that already in 1940 jews were dragged from their houses by Dutch people, put in work camps, and their possessions stolen by the Dutch [and that' why the archives of what really happened in 194-45 are still secret]. Everybody knows the percentage of Jewish population that did not survive the five years of right wing government is substantially higher than in any other European country. So basically, this has nothing to do with the asylum crisis hoax,
enlighten me: why is an eleven year old christian child deported from the Netherlands to a Caucasus nation this christian child was not born in, has never visited, and doesn't understand the local language?
Because his mom used him to get her own legal status, markholland.
@@markholland7322 Omdat hij een Armeniër is.
Thumbnail artist getting a lot of mileage out of that barbed wire circle.
4:11 Did you just call the Netherlands a 'central European state'?
Whats wrong with that?
@@saggitaril4044 Central Europe is commonly referring to states east of Germany and west of Russia, so Poland, Czechia, Hungary etc.
The Netherlands is commonly known as a West or North European country, not Central.
I guess they meant 'states in the center of the EU' which is not the same, since EU (the economical-political bloc) =/= Europe (the continent)
@@jugler07 Thats not even remotely true.
Poland and Hungary would not be considered central european states even if geographically that would be a fair enough statement.
@@saggitaril4044theyre central european if we talk about an europe from the sea to the urals, but youre right, in an everyday discussion nobody would use central europe for poland or hungary
It's in Central Europe Time, no?
Be honest I’d rather have this than Rutte having uncontrollable amount of people coming
Way to go Netherlands! 💪
Always a wolf LMFAO
@@00Platypus00 What does LMFAO mean?
@@TinoMartinelli That I am laughing
@@00Platypus00 Thanks!
@@00Platypus00 Rawr
Absolutely fantastic that countries are stepping up on this !!!
Not all cultures are equal
Agreed , a specific religion that throws gay people off buildings or bans women from university isn’t compatible with western free and open ethos
*compatible
@@lukasdutli3473 *equal
@@NicolasHaufe what should this even mean. When is a culture equal or not equal. Culture can only be compared by how similar or not similar they are.
@@lukasdutli3473 No a culture where where women have No rights and which is authoritarian and fanatic isnt be equal to Western culture
Common sense? The horror! 😂😂
To call your personal position "common sense" requires high levels of self-centeredness...
@@00Platypus00 less rapists and economic migrants + citizenship control? Gosh NL is doomed🤣
@@ShayNoMore1 eCoNoMiC mIgRaNts... Dutch companies actively seek and sponsor migrants because there is not enough work force - kennismigranten.
Now to call migrants as a whole "r*pists" requires high levels of xenophobia and racism.... not surprised.
@@00Platypus00dutch companies dont rule the country. The Dutch people do and they dont want more migrants. We want less migrants
Because of the Netanyahu sympathizers in the new government. Hint: Its a far-right government.
One word answer: "Safety".
It was obvious from the start, and they were warned. But hundreds of victims (mostly women and children) had to be sacrificed before they were willing to accept reality.
Sorry...hundreds of women and children were targeted in the Netherlands...? All by immigrants...?
What a lot of nonsense!
Hi mate, it will be nice if there was a price tab on imprint. 20% discount means less if one can't clearly see the original price
well done Netherlands...you are looking after your citizens which is the most important!
Are they ?
No they´re not, they´re just making a load of unscientific stupid proposals to pander to their base.
lmao no tf we're not. 2/4 coalition parties are single issue parties who have no real plan for anything else. They wanna innovate on every level, yet cut spending on education on every single level. They want to emphasize healthy living and sporting, yet increase the taxes on sports clubs and gyms. They wanna return us to those good ol' Dutch values, yet increase the damn taxes on cultural and artistic events like museums, concerts, etc.
BBB leader van der Plas during the elections and coalition forming process emphasised how she would "go to the EU, slam the fist on the table and say 'We want our democracy back NOW!'" And what happened post-formation and election? "well... people of course assumed that we would go to the EU, put our fist on the table and such, but it's clear that that's not how it works."
the BBB claimed that the plan in-place to buy-out farmers to reduce our total manure amount was too harsh and bad. And now with the BBB in-charge to handle this issue? Oh well they're going to further the initial plan of course. These people are a joke.
Wilders claimed that oooo we need to remove the deductible system NOW! These people can't wait until 2027 for it to be completely phased out. And now that the PVV is in power of this issue? What do they do? HALF it by 2027. But yeah sure, they're "looking after its citizens."
@@Minimmalmythicistwere are you from
@@rubendeboer339 ik kom niet uit Nederland maar ik kan de tal spreken en get maakt niet uit als ik kom uit Timbuktu, feiten zijn feiten.
Everyone wants to opt out of it. That Pact should be scrapped and EU countries should decide about migration on their own except of 1 things: Defending EU borders. All kinds of help and funds should be directed to make our borders safe.
I don't
Correction: VVD is NOT center-right, they're standard right-wing.
Nothing will change, the situation will not improve. It's all 'voor de bühne'. Our insightful leadership will always put economic interests before the well-being of its' citizens. Trap er niet in.
the new citizenship requirements will make highly skilled migrants more reluctant go to to NL, 10 years + losing your original citizenship is a lot to ask
OH NO! All those doctors and engineers from rural african and backwards middle eastern remote villages. How will we survive?
Also, have you seen the disparity in malpractice rates between western educated doctors and those 'educated' in africa or the middle east? While they make up 10-15% of the NHS, they are 80%+ of all the cases.
I think the main problem will be the renouncing of your original citizenship. 10 years isn't too bad if you plan on living there for a while
They can go somewhere else if they are that skilled in ... jihad
it works fine for switzerland who has the same requirement
Losing original citizenship is already a requirement, but 10 years is just 💀. Compare that to 3-4 years in Germany
This opt out is only for the news as they knew from before hand that it was going to be a no from the EU
I love how the prime minister when asked about the any statistics or numbers that justify this, he said "numbers are just numbers, I have a feeling that this is right."
Thank god, hope the rest of europe follows suit with similar policies
How would that improve your life?
@@00Platypus00housing prices won't inflate as fast anymore, terrorist attacks like the one in solingen will get less likley and most importantly europe will remain mostly ethnically european.
Safety is essential
Honestly the Schengen area should probably split into a few more manageable zones with autonomous immigration policies. Notably the Scandinavian peninsular, Iberian peninsular, Balkan countries, Adriatic countries, and the central countries.
If you split Shenghen you´ll do economic damage. This is what´s so dumb, so many people don´t have any idea what a trade off is, i.e you will destroy people´s jobs, that´s a certainty, that´s what happened when the UK left the EU and if you abolish shenghen, ok, we´ll still have free movement, but you´ll slow the passage of goods a lot.
Stopping maybe a few more illegal immigrants clearly isn´t worth it, for lots of jobs loss. Indeed, one of the arguments for stopping illegal migration is that it protects local employment and that might be true up to a point, but if you come out of Shenghen, you´ll destroy far more jobs than you actually protect.
Oh that's sad. From Portugal, I think we would be sad for being in a "different schengen" from France/Luxembourg/Switzerland, the places where a lot of relatives live.
@@vinih732 Firstly France is in Iberia so it'd be with Portugal. Secondly, I imagine people in Portugal would still be free to visit Luxembourg.
The issue is about working rights and housing rights. Being able to work and rent property is something for which the EU is too big for a homogeneous policy. Staying with family wouldn''t (hopefully) come under that.
Iberian peninsula is only Portugal and Spain
@@zUJ7EjVD Iberia has always commonly been referred to as the peninsula south of the Pyrenees, and the Pyrenees are also the border between France and Spain. In other words, Iberia only covers Portugal, Spain, and the tiny sliver of land that is French Cerdagne. The rest of France is definitely not in Iberia.
the Netherlands is Germany`s Austria belongs to Fatherland ......see what I`m getting at Europe
I'm Dutch, and I live on the Dutch German border. I cross it regularly. This whole idea is a mistake, especially themMini shengen inside of the EU. That's gonna rip Europe apart 😕
It’s not even possible to build a border between Netherlands and Belgium 😅
I'm Norwegian, if this means fewer Germans and Dutch driving caravans at walking speed on Norwegian coastal roads, and taking half a ton of fish with them back south, maybe there's something to it?🤔 More seriously though, this kind of shit sucks. We have a toll border with Sweden and that thing is seriously lame, shipping stuff to Norway is a full euro more expensive than to Sweden, many things don't ship at all, and sometimes the coppers are doing stings, meaning you're stuck waiting at the border for a while before they let you go. Having an even stronger border than that ould be seriously irritating.
The solution is simple, stop endless third world migration. No one cares about Dutch-German border travel
All just common sense sort of stuff. It's crazy that we need to jump through so many hoops to just have governments in Europe act in the basic best interests of their own people. The nations of Asia don't bat an eye about doing what is in the best interests of their country, and it's actually unnatural the recent state of affairs in Europe where out of touch leadership have stopped doing this. It's not actually the right of political leaders to not act in the interests of their own people. Even if they are elected, they still have a duty of care to actually do what's best for their citizens, and recent EU migration policy has NOT been in the best interests of citizens and, most worryingly, is in large part irreversible. Good luck to the Dutch, they always struck me as some of the more sensible people in Europe and the thought that sane nations like them and the Poles are trying to be dragged down by nations like Germany and France with their post colonial and post war guilt complexes is just very sad to me. They're all beautiful countries and should have the courage to fight for their own people over vague and abstract flavour of the month internationalist political projects and agendas.
Geert Wilders is the most Dutch looking person ever.
That's why he's protecting his country.
He is partly Indonesian.
He really isn't
He is from Limburg, basically the Florida of the Netherlands. The appendix you unfortunately can't get rid of.
Not really. He's part Indonesian and tbh if I didn't know him I'd think he'd be French or Austrian or something.
Our PM, now he is a proper Dutch man 😍🤤
I don't see any super strict policies? Only common sense.
Calling you personal preference "common sense" is just... something
@@00Platypus00 I express my opinion in my comment, obviously it refers to my views? Not sure what you're surprised about.
@@marcvb3364 You called it "common sense". I already explained.
We simply don't have enough room for foreigners, whether they are expats or refugees. Dutch people themselves can barely acquire a house, let alone afford for one. I think the money spending our governments in the EU do should be focused more inward. Our leaders should stop paying money for projects that do not benefit the European people themselves. And I am saying this as a person who has immigrant parents.
Do you think The PVV and VVD leaders give an F about you? Also, if you´re in the EU you pay your bills and not act like a whiny crybaby.
That's because the NL has a culture of greed. The NL is socialist with very little freedoms and a track record of white supremists. The birth place of apardid and sending kiddy fiddlers to the olimpics. You can't take a sh*t without being taxed. The real problem the EU has is an aging population with a younger generation who have a sence of self entitlement and expect to do very little to have a European lifestyle.
@@Minimmalmythicist Yes, the PVV and VVD leaders do care about me and I will tell you why. It is because I am Dutch. I was born and raised in the Netherlands, and I do not have dual citizenship (something they are vehemently against). Wilders stated several times that he has no issue with Dutch people who have foreign origins, unless they denounce the country and etc. Which are things I don't do. I wasn't asked whether I wanted to be in the EU or not, so I can whine all I want.
@@Kolesha It´s very funny isn´t it then that the VVD were cutting people´s welfare for decades. And yes, you are a pathetic whiner.
En om eerlijk te zijn, en elk land kon je mensen zoals jij vinden, mensen die blind zijn, mensen die binnen een droomwereld wonen en mensen die geen tijd hebben voor feiten.
It's necessary for all of Europe to change the asylum laws and declare the crisis otherwise it will become a Caliphate 😅
Have you noticed? Even those countries that used to blame Hungary, for example, have suddenly started to think about migration and migrants, borders, but they do not want to bring this issue to the EU level. Do you know why? Because they just don't care - they noticed that “right-wing parties” started to gain popularity and they want to get a piece of the electoral votes. That's all. But nobody wants to understand the essence of the problem and recognize that it is the EU policy and openness of individual countries - until they get the migration results
Not "those countries" but those governments
Fascism is on the rise.
Immigration has been pretty bad the last decade, but just wait until even more people in the equator regions leave their homes because they have nothing else to lose. Immigration will be more commonplace.
Or governments could enforce the law and tell them to fuck off.
@@ronmastrio2798 Be more strict as well
You can blame Nato, for starting these useless wars worldwide
@@yunusgokcen174 if countries locked down we'd have this insane world where we'd have have's and have nots.(Much like now but worse.) Inside and outside borders, riots, crime and inhumanity you name it. We ought to look after equator bound countries if we don't want immigration, or come to terms that immigration is normalised.
As immigration rates have increased people in Europe have only grown more opposed to it. If the Global South doesn’t develop quickly enough then incredibly strict enforcement is the only answer.