Honestly, this is why cartoons in that time were not that good because it showed smoking, alcohol and other bad stuff that isn't suitable for children.
Neil Parker Jr I don't know about you but I love whenever kids movies get dark and edgy. But aside from drugs, kids should know about these things, it may be disturbing but it's important to learn those.
As time pressed on I haven't even thought of re-watching this movie, as a child I only saw this movie as a form of entertainment, seeing stuff from it again makes me think.
Darth Maul. I am fully agree with you there. The Coachman/Barker is a evil cruel monster. And I don't think he is a human. But a demon disguised as a human.
@@Derek1955 He literally looks like Satan when he smiles in that one scene: filmmusiccentral.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/disney-villains-coachman2.jpg?w=625
@@rattlesnakejake956 Red face spike ears and his hair looks like horns. When he said: They never come back. As..BOYS!! His face change to a cruel Demon face. And he is the only one of all humans in Pinocchio who have four fingers.
@@singalingalongaling No normal humans can do something evil like The Coachman. And not to mention his minions are not humans. Just take a look at his face when he say: They never come back. As BOYS!!! 😈
As a mama, when Alexander said he wanted to go home to his mama, my heart ached. I know its a cartoon, but the thought of someone stealing your child makes you hurt like nonother.
@@diegodubber2140 but, if Alexander didn't turn into a donkey and if Pleasure Island wasn't a human trafficking ring, would he still be saying ( I want to go home to my mama)
My heart was breaking when young Alexander said he wanted to go home to his mother. I know it's only a movie, but the thought of an innocent child being kidnapped hurts like hell.
@@hurttoy29 I’m sure if he did it wasn’t on purpose. He’s not the only one who feels this way and probably won’t be the last person to express this. Not everyone has time to go through all the comments before they add their own.
@@The_Beefcake_Cometh but he is not realistic or i can you cant ecncouter him on the other hand there is chance to encounter coachman type of people and there are tons of these kind of people in form of human traffickers which makes him horrifying.
On one hand I feel generally sick, terrified, and sad about the boys. It’s so terrifying especially since the villains are never defeated. Especially when they yell for there parents. But on the other hand, I have such respect for Walt not afraid to terrify his audience.
@Sophia Mermaid This scene reminds me of Donkey from Shrek. I even wondered at times if “Donkey” suffered the same fate as these boys prior to meeting Shrek which resulted in him being a chatterbox in the body of a Donkey. 😳
That's what people overlook, the coachman specifically asked for bad boys, runaways and truants and the attractions aren't tailored for decent kids. These boys would have likely grown up to be bar loafers, derelicts, muggers and he's in some way the good guy here. The only downside is they'd rope good kids in (which is what Alexander with his sailor suit represents) and won't have the opportunity to turn themselves around, instead destined to work till they drop.
@MN Aryo Bimo But even so, the idea of spending the rest of their life as Donkeys with no hope of transforming back is horrifying. On the other hand, I understand the message. That temptation can lead to terrible situations. Like kids being kidnapped, etc in the real world.
This one of the most chilling scenes in any cartoon movie ever made, because it shows that the boys "retain their human intellects" in their donkey forms. I've never fully gotten over this scene, where Alexander reveals that he can "still talk", and that all of the other donkeys still have the minds of human boys. Between this scene, and the panic-stricken Lampwick morphing into a donkey, I will never forget the Pinocchio cartoon movie. The Coachman from Pinocchio is one of the most underrated Disney villains of all-time. The scene of him whipping sentient donkeys and tossing them into cages to be used as livestock for the rest of their lives, is horrifying.
In the original story lampwick is sold to a farmer. He's worked until his death. Pinocchio tries to help by doing his work for him but Lampwick is already dying.
You know what I just realized? If Pinocchio turned out to be the first and only victim to escape Pleasure Island, who knows how he coped with the situation when the authorities of his community eventually came along to respond to all those missing boy reports.😰
Yeah, I think it would have been a good idea if Pinocchio tried to save Lampwick……..who technically was his friend who just needed to get his sh!t together. That alone would have impressed the fairy as he’d be proving himself to be brave and unselfish.
Maybe that’s what the new Pinocchio movie should’ve been about instead of the obvious remake cash grab it turned out to be. They care of nothing but greed.
Man, now when I watch this it seems so sad and dark. When that Alexander kid said he wanted to go home to his mother, it made me feel sad knowing those boys will never see home or their family again. Yeah, they were troublesome and all, but turning kids into donkeys is WAY to far.
This scene scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. Especially when Lampwick's hands became hooves. Anything in movies where something happens to a person's hands scared me really badly when I was a kid. Like the scene in Jumanji when Alan is getting sucked into the board game, when his hands are vaporizing
This scene honestly gave me nightmares... having a time of your life in Pleasure Island, only to discover that you're slowly turning into a donkey to be sold as a slave for labor, never to see your family again. It's baffling how sinister Disney was back in the days.
The 1940s was a very different time. Childhood trauma was a thing that no one batted and eye or had a cause for concern. Notice in the recent remake, they removed a lot of things! Like replacing beer with root beer and no cigarettes.
It takes one good person that is aware of sin those who were punished from their sins to know. Not implying Walt was sinful, but it would've been a childhood thing that made him create this for a reason, however movies are simply recreations of the original books.
Of course they had concern for their children’s wellbeing. I’d say far more so than they do now because I don’t think all the snowflake BS today is anything to do with concern for kids or genuine in any way whatsoever. These stories are harsh and dark because they generally had an important moral or cautionary tale central to the plot that shouldn’t just be forgotten. Not heeding the moral of the story might not have fairytale consequences in real life, but it could have actual consequences in real life. You think s disturbing scene in a disturbing story is bad? Look at senior figures in the state media, career politicians, senior police officials and magistrates who are actually evil - child molesters involved in international gr00ming networks and nobody stop it or can do anything about it. It’s widely known but almost every institution is thoroughly corrupted with too many immoral and fundamentally cruel-minded people. Police, social services, educational institutions, local councils… This is barely scratching the surface of the extent of the evil being committed by these ‘people’ right now - but trauma in children was a thing nobody batted an eye at because it was in 1940!
I feel like they can still talk because they're not as bratty as the other boys, and they only came to the island and misbehaved out of peer pressure which makes this all the more tragic. Especially knowing that they were banking on the boys not being able to talk and have them reported, one can only assume something even more sinister happened to them. Although I like to tell myself that after the movie ends Pinocchio and his father go straight to the authorities and the fox, cat, and creepy guy end up hanged. I also like to pretend that the physics of the 1996 version applies and they just need to clean up their act to be boys again.
Just as a lot of the old Fairy Tales could be very dark and frightening (today almost everything older than 5 or 10 years relentlessly rifled through and considered too dark or too macabre or too violent or too ‘offensive’ in some way by some clown though) they also had an important moral or cautionary tale of good and bad, right and wrong and so on central to the overall plot. Although even the Disney version is a little more tame than the original written fairy tale, the story isn’t changed much.and the consequences of not heeding the caution of the story is where they usually become quite dark. They would be unsettling to young children a century ago as they were to me as a child (had an illustrated book of Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales) but the moral of the story was the real takeaway and wasn’t just forgotten. I think it would ruin the impact of Pinocchio if they changed it just because some people are now no longer mentally or emotionally capable of handling a harsh ending to a story. In reality there’s now a lot of people who get away with appalling crimes and continue to do so and nothing is done to stop them or bring them to justice. People throughout our entire political establishment and state apparatus, media institutions, within the police, education and social services have been directly involved in - or at least suppressed and covered up - the organised gr00ming and mass rapes of young girls and women across the whole country for the last two decades and still continues now. Politicians and senior figures the state media are child molesters with likeminded international circles. Government intelligence agencies knowing about and monitoring active terror cells and allowing them to carry out their attacks. (I actually wonder whether some of these are being committed by the state now but obviously I cant actually prove that) In addition to the last one, there’s a ‘damage control’ mechanism in place in case of a major terror incident which there’s already a number of pre-written media scripts, pre-written placards and T-shirts with slogans and messages on them, flower wreaths and teddies in case children are killed, even ‘personalised’ things by something particular to the history or character of a certain town or city. This is quickly dispatched while the public is still reeling in shock from the incident so the state and the press can immediately own the narrative, subvert and take control before public anguish can turn into public outrage. There’s too many to go on listing and this villainy has become ubiquitous, but you realise that very wicked and evil people who should be publicly hanged are not facing any consequences at all because who’s going to stop them when they are the perpetrators? They know we can’t do anything and so they don’t even hide or be afraid of the law unlike the villains in Pinocchio. .
DJDoubleCee No, it wouldn't. It would traumatized them. You're an adult figure, they trust you. Telling them this will happen if they misbehave is beyond irresponsible, reckless and straight up messed up.
R R Bottom line you want them to behave and do the right thing and with some children I think they need some scare tactics. Now physically abusing them would be going too far.
DJDoubleCee Bro, that movie terrified me as a kid. It kept me up nights. Imagine is some adult figure came up to me and told me that shit will happen to me if I misbehave. There are several other better ways you can get children to behave that don’t involve scarring them.
R R Yeah but unfortunately with some kids you have no other choice but to use scare tactics. With some of them it’s the only way they’ll learn to behave.
I tell my little cousin that I would ship him there so he would turn into a donkey if he misbehaves and I still do he probably hates me but hey he good
Lampwicks last word....mama. thats just sad. I get the moral meaning and all. Its all about our choices. Still messed up. The true dark stuff this applies to...Lessons to remember:.1.Don't make bad choices. 2. Don't talk to strangers. They come in all ages. By the time u learn your lesson, it's too late. Try to be the one to make it out with your true self and get a 2nd chance for a better outcome in life. Only 1 in so many will be able to do so. The rest will stay lost.
Some of this looks dangerous, the model home especially because they’re throwing and tossing bricks and furniture. I’m surprised no one got hurt of crushed.
@abc.animal514 I don't think it is Shrek takes place in like the 15 to 16 hundreds in the Middle Ages and the movie Pinocchio take play in the 1900 probably before or few years into or after World War 1 so in between 1899 can maybe 1915
Today I was thinking about my secondary experience. Because I dont hang out too much like other teenagers. I got angry with my mom today because of that and other thing. And then... Well, I apologize a lot and I hugged her so much. Before seeing this Now I dont regret :D
I won't lie when i say that this scene scared the crap out of me so much when i was little, that it made me develop a fear of donkey's in real ife. and that fear lasted until i was in my teens because you know by then i was old enough to realize that it's just a movie.
This is indeed a good example, and I now have remembered about the pleasures I sought to seek, but now this example, it made a reflection of my life. Thank you for making everyone this video.
I think I get why they added that part to teach kids to not act stupid and always try to make the right choice I dont know if that's the lesson but i think it is I also never seen this movie I heard of it but never seen it
Not acting stupid is a big part of the lesson. The boys enter Pleasure Island and are enticed to behave like jackasses figuratively then turn into them literally. Once transformed they are sold and shipped off to perform backbreaking slave labor. If you don't get an education or learn a valuable trade, your future is bleak as bottom of the barrel slave wage jobs are what you're going to get. Act like a jackass and you'll break your back like one for the rest of your life.
It's all the more unsettling when you think that the Coachman most likely had the donkeys who can still talk all killed, since he wouldn't want any of them escaping and telling other people about what happened.
Actually no, in the book it says the ones who speak pull his coach for the rest of their lives. Of they speak up in anyones presence tho, they will get punished
I never thought this scene was that scary when I was younger more like wondering where the donkeys where going. But the whale scene I was terrified off
Same. Nobody ever seems to mention the whale… It used to fucking terrify me though… I still remember going on about being scared of being in the whale’s belly snd having some bad dreams about it. Feels like the fear went on for years but my mum still remembers me going on about it when I was little and it was only a couple of months rather than a few years haha.
Cruel, cruel irony. Worst of all, it's a more "repsected" Pleasureland. It's like, if you don't go to college, people, most of them, tend to look down on those who didn't go as stupid nitwits. The truth is, most of students who come out of colleges nowadays are the real twits.
@@kaijufan6246 agree completely. If I had kids I would not support sending them to college unless I was 100% sure they would not be indoctrinated. I'd rather send them to a trade school. I see more value in a welder,pipe fitter, diesel mechanic, computer technician,plumber,etc than someone who majors in lesbian dance theory.
@@cheshire_skatkat9093 agreed. Furthermore, I would discipline my kids, if I ever have any, and nurture them at the same time, so they would have the courage to not "fit in" with the wrong crowd, and be content with who they are already. If yoy catch my drift
Kaiju Fan totally agree! I’m so sick of the sanctimonious, outdated platitudes of college being what makes “the golden” versus those without a college diploma “the unwashed”.
@*•:Monika:•* Yup. A good slice of humble pie is the only healthy pie in the world. By the way, I appreciate you sharing that story with me. Also, here is something people don't get. Kids NEED to be afraid of something. I don't mean unhealthy fear. I mean healthy fear. You know? Know their place. Respect authority, parents, etc.
I wondered how does the coachman be able to clean up the mess the kids made before sending in another round of bad kids. Just think of all the work effort and money building all of Pleasure Island.
Little girls back in the days aren't seen to be smoking and drinking. Teen girls may be an exception, but overall, girls were overlooked to be more behaved than boys.
After watching this as a kid, one day I didn’t wanna go to school so my mom said I’d turn into a donkey like in the movie and I started panicking and got ready for school lmaoooo
When I was a kid and saw this scene it didn't encourage me to want to behave instead it made me wonder how I can be a bad guy that gets what I want and gets away with it...THE COACHMAN, THE FOX, THE CAT
It seems that water can stop the curse, as when Pinocchio went into the ocean, the transformation stopped, leaving only donkey ears, donkey tail, and a donkey laugh.
In the film and subsequent other films minus Disney version, it shows that Pinocchio actually DOES get turned into a donkey and in one film, he is sold off to the circus where he's forced to do acrobatic routines show after show, but when he sees the Blue Fairy in the audience, he trips and injures himself to which the ring leader of the circus literally throws Pinocchio into the ocean to drown (and then be fished out so his fur/pelt can get skinned off his carcass) but the blue fairy summons pirahnas where they eat Pinocchios donkey skin and turn him back into a wooden boy.
As much as I sometimes enjoy background stories that make the villains at least Understandable (e.g. Cruella, Maleficent, etc.) I REALLY hope they don’t do that with the Coachman. I see absolutely NOTHING that would justify or make Understandable treating children like this. They are KIDS!
Those movies were reboots. Cruella even has dogs herself in that movie and has a completely different personality. Same for Maleficent. I don't think they would do ever do that with Coachman
I imagine it, being like, “ Batman Arkham Knight” the Coachmen Ms his minions are defeated and taken the GCPD, while the boys, are picked up and taken to safety and they find a way to reverse the curse.
So glad Jackass continues his life meeting an ogre and a princess that transforms into an ogre and ends up marrying a dragon and having donkey-dragón hybrid children. Hehe
If that coachman had a conscience, he would've let those boys go home after they had enough of Pleasure Island. At least he could've let Alexander and all the other talking donkeys go.
What I find very disturbing about this scene is not the boys becoming donkeys or Lampwick gradually turning into a donkey but how long the Coachman has gotten away with his crime. Obviously these boys including Lampwick were the latest batch of kids to become donkeys. Hundreds of other previous boys have no doubt visited Pleasure Island have become donkeys and I bet hundreds of more future visitors to the island became donkeys.
What’s disturbing about the one shot of the “abandoned” amusement park is that it looks like it’s been destroyed. That means the kids probably transformed close together. Imagine a theme park full of kids convulsing on the ground & transforming into animals, screaming and crying😨😨😨
I always told my little cousin that if he misbehaves I would ship him to pleasure island where he would turn into a donkey. I still do know and he is 10
I wasn’t scared of the donkey scene in the movie, but the live action donkey transformations scarred me (im not talking about the new one, im talking about that really creepy live action one)
This one was made in 1940. It was a different time back then. Words like “jackass” and use of smoking and drinking beer would have NEVER slid in todays world and weak parents would’ve been pissed and not allow their kids to watch.
I'll admit this is very scary and sad, but has anyone in here ever watched "Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night"? There's a character on that who makes The Coachman look like Santa, and a scene that makes this look mild.
Pinocchio says being bad is fun, but they aren't being bad. The donkey man is saying to go ahead and smash things, break them, that's what they're there for. He said it was okay to smoke and eat cake, ice cream and all that. When you say it's okay to do it they aren't being bad.
This always haunted me. The villains at Pleasure Island are never “defeated.” The boys turned into donkeys are never saved. So sad.
It made me sad cuz one said they want to go back home to there momma
Daysha Edwards
Poor Alexander 😢
@King Troid Malademic machine King no you can't blame it on innocent children what the hell
King Troid Malademic machine King Did you really just blame children ?🤦🏻♀️
Nate Mc
I figured the land was cursed.
Disney was unbelievably dark in those days good lord
This shit screams pedophilia to me
Honestly, this is why cartoons in that time were not that good because it showed smoking, alcohol and other bad stuff that isn't suitable for children.
Neil Parker Jr
I don't know about you but I love whenever kids movies get dark and edgy. But aside from drugs, kids should know about these things, it may be disturbing but it's important to learn those.
Yea
@@BjarkeTaunajik agreed
When I was 4 I saw this movie and the donkey scene really messed me up
TheRealBenjiYokai yeah true. It made me cry
When I was 4 I found it to be like any other kids movie but now as a young teenager it’s fucked up
I'm not surprised. I feel sad for them.
I'm not surprised, @@adameheart4886. I feel sad 4 'em.
It didn’t when I was younger
Pretty sure anyone who saw this as a young kid and asked their parents about it, behaved for a while after this, I know I did
Feelings mutual.
Exactly!!!
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YEP
As time pressed on I haven't even thought of re-watching this movie, as a child I only saw this movie as a form of entertainment, seeing stuff from it again makes me think.
Forget Frollo and Scar. The Coachman is the most evil Disney villain ever.
Darth Maul. I am fully agree with you there. The Coachman/Barker is a evil cruel monster. And I don't think he is a human. But a demon disguised as a human.
@@Derek1955 He literally looks like Satan when he smiles in that one scene: filmmusiccentral.files.wordpress.com/2017/03/disney-villains-coachman2.jpg?w=625
@@rattlesnakejake956 Red face spike ears and his hair looks like horns. When he said: They never come back. As..BOYS!! His face change to a cruel Demon face. And he is the only one of all humans in Pinocchio who have four fingers.
Optimus Prime or it could be because the animated found fingers easier to draw that way.
@@singalingalongaling No normal humans can do something evil like The Coachman. And not to mention his minions are not humans. Just take a look at his face when he say: They never come back. As BOYS!!! 😈
As a mama, when Alexander said he wanted to go home to his mama, my heart ached. I know its a cartoon, but the thought of someone stealing your child makes you hurt like nonother.
This is happening in real life :(
100% agreed. The way he said that, so helpless, scared, desperate...
@@hisloveiseternal1 True. Like children, the little girls, for example and even boys, being kidnapped for sex trafficking, and other kidnap reasons.
@@diegodubber2140 but, if Alexander didn't turn into a donkey and if Pleasure Island wasn't a human trafficking ring, would he still be saying ( I want to go home to my mama)
That one attraction voice sounded like Popeye.
This seems like the very trap that the devil himself would set.
@Revan except in this case the coachman gives the boys all their pleasure for exchange for their freedom.
@*•:Monika:•* I don't think so because the Coachman judt wanted the boys for labor, he wasn't really after their souls.
LOL. I was going to comment that this is the very trap that religion sets.
You’re on the mark!
Revan that is amazingly observant.
this part made me so sad
“What’s he think I look like? A jackass?”
That’s literally the only laugh this whole scene gave
👍🏾
The rest of it, instead, is something out of a straight-up HORROR MOVIE.
What I look like to you?
*A jackaEES? HEE-HAW*
@@BfblegacyA He met another an plllllll he was gone
Love how Pinocchio looks at the beer and cigar like “the fuck is in this shit?”
Yeah lol
And he ended up braying and growing ears and tail anyways lol.
When I watched this scene when I was little I thought oh, there donkeys cool. But now since I’m older, it’s just depressing.
My heart was breaking when young Alexander said he wanted to go home to his mother. I know it's only a movie, but the thought of an innocent child being kidnapped hurts like hell.
Didn’t you copy someone else’s comment? Lol
@@hurttoy29 Not me! Lol!
@@hurttoy29 I’m sure if he did it wasn’t on purpose. He’s not the only one who feels this way and probably won’t be the last person to express this. Not everyone has time to go through all the comments before they add their own.
The lessons, 'hidden messages' and undertones in Disney movies blow my mind now that I rewatch them as an adult.
...and how. It's no wonder analyzing literature was a pain for me to abide by as a high school teen.
Undertones? What do you mean? Lol
@@hurttoy29 leave me alone
@@JustSomeGuyOk What did I do wrong?
@@hurttoy29 you didn't add me on WeChat
In my opinion, this guy is the most evil of all the Disney villains.
Yep, cause he never got caught
I know, he literally turned children into donkeys and sold them, what a psychopath.
I would argue that chernabog takes the cake for the most evil Disney villain.
@@The_Beefcake_Cometh but he is not realistic or i can you cant ecncouter him on the other hand there is chance to encounter coachman type of people and there are tons of these kind of people in form of human traffickers which makes him horrifying.
@@sarikajoshi7156 he's literally the fucking devil how can chernabog not be the most evil?
I wonder what happens to the ones that still talk? Maybe they get slaughtered for meat
They probabaly stayed since they were defected lol
*WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE!!?*
I think they keep them there until the transformation's totally complete.
Maybe they’re kept for the coachmen’s personal use. What if the donkeys that he used for his coach are the ones that talk, but are kept shut.
Could be, @@nickzilla20. Makes sense too, personal usage.
On one hand I feel generally sick, terrified, and sad about the boys. It’s so terrifying especially since the villains are never defeated. Especially when they yell for there parents. But on the other hand, I have such respect for Walt not afraid to terrify his audience.
@Sophia Mermaid
This scene reminds me of Donkey from Shrek. I even wondered at times if “Donkey” suffered the same fate as these boys prior to meeting Shrek which resulted in him being a chatterbox in the body of a Donkey. 😳
i donnt feel bad for them at all. they deserved it lol
@@daijirounchida3640 You’re not a kid person are you?
Respect? For a Pedophile Mocking the parents of kidnapped and trafficked children for the past few decades?🤦🏽♂️
@@Annahg78 Definitely not lol. He's a phsyco who genuinely enjoys seeing kids hurt. He even opened another account to pretend to have a friend lol
Alexander just wants his mother
Sheldon Cooper jeez man
Fun fact: he’s actually voiced by the same actor who voices Pinocchio, Dickie Jones
ArbyTV Hahahahahahahahah Dickie
I want my Momma, too.
Imagine if he wound up back with her: either as a pet, as a ride, as a work animal or as glue or meat on a plate.
They're bad boys and never listens to their parents before, but still this left me uneasy
That's what people overlook, the coachman specifically asked for bad boys, runaways and truants and the attractions aren't tailored for decent kids. These boys would have likely grown up to be bar loafers, derelicts, muggers and he's in some way the good guy here. The only downside is they'd rope good kids in (which is what Alexander with his sailor suit represents) and won't have the opportunity to turn themselves around, instead destined to work till they drop.
@@ganados0 Damn
@@ganados0 your kind is one of the reason of why the world is fook up
@@ganados0 Lol turning young children who dont know any hetter is a hero thing? You're dumb as hell, don't have kids
@MN Aryo Bimo
But even so, the idea of spending the rest of their life as Donkeys with no hope of transforming back is horrifying.
On the other hand, I understand the message. That temptation can lead to terrible situations. Like kids being kidnapped, etc in the real world.
This one of the most chilling scenes in any cartoon movie ever made, because it shows that the boys "retain their human intellects" in their donkey forms. I've never fully gotten over this scene, where Alexander reveals that he can "still talk", and that all of the other donkeys still have the minds of human boys. Between this scene, and the panic-stricken Lampwick morphing into a donkey, I will never forget the Pinocchio cartoon movie. The Coachman from Pinocchio is one of the most underrated Disney villains of all-time. The scene of him whipping sentient donkeys and tossing them into cages to be used as livestock for the rest of their lives, is horrifying.
Nightmare fuel, a la Disney
Carlo collodi's original story was even more fucked up than this
In the original story lampwick is sold to a farmer. He's worked until his death. Pinocchio tries to help by doing his work for him but Lampwick is already dying.
You know what I just realized? If Pinocchio turned out to be the first and only victim to escape Pleasure Island, who knows how he coped with the situation when the authorities of his community eventually came along to respond to all those missing boy reports.😰
Yeah, I think it would have been a good idea if Pinocchio tried to save Lampwick……..who technically was his friend who just needed to get his sh!t together.
That alone would have impressed the fairy as he’d be proving himself to be brave and unselfish.
Maybe that’s what the new Pinocchio movie should’ve been about instead of the obvious remake cash grab it turned out to be. They care of nothing but greed.
Man, now when I watch this it seems so sad and dark. When that Alexander kid said he wanted to go home to his mother, it made me feel sad knowing those boys will never see home or their family again. Yeah, they were troublesome and all, but turning kids into donkeys is WAY to far.
This scene scared the shit out of me when I was a kid. Especially when Lampwick's hands became hooves. Anything in movies where something happens to a person's hands scared me really badly when I was a kid. Like the scene in Jumanji when Alan is getting sucked into the board game, when his hands are vaporizing
If you watch "Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night" there's a transformation scene which makes this look like nothing.
The devil doesn't come dressed in red horns, but as everything you've ever wanted.
The coachman is the only scary disney villain of all time when he made that evil smile at bar.
Yeah before that scene l didn't believe that the devil had a face then l was sure.
I honestly haven't seen this in forever because as a kid it scared me too much. The deeper meaning and hidden messages hits different as a mom.
This scene honestly gave me nightmares... having a time of your life in Pleasure Island, only to discover that you're slowly turning into a donkey to be sold as a slave for labor, never to see your family again. It's baffling how sinister Disney was back in the days.
The 1940s was a very different time. Childhood trauma was a thing that no one batted and eye or had a cause for concern.
Notice in the recent remake, they removed a lot of things! Like replacing beer with root beer and no cigarettes.
It takes one good person that is aware of sin those who were punished from their sins to know. Not implying Walt was sinful, but it would've been a childhood thing that made him create this for a reason, however movies are simply recreations of the original books.
Of course they had concern for their children’s wellbeing. I’d say far more so than they do now because I don’t think all the snowflake BS today is anything to do with concern for kids or genuine in any way whatsoever.
These stories are harsh and dark because they generally had an important moral or cautionary tale central to the plot that shouldn’t just be forgotten.
Not heeding the moral of the story might not have fairytale consequences in real life, but it could have actual consequences in real life.
You think s disturbing scene in a disturbing story is bad?
Look at senior figures in the state media, career politicians, senior police officials and magistrates who are actually evil - child molesters involved in international gr00ming networks and nobody stop it or can do anything about it.
It’s widely known but almost every institution is thoroughly corrupted with too many immoral and fundamentally cruel-minded people. Police, social services, educational institutions, local councils…
This is barely scratching the surface of the extent of the evil being committed by these ‘people’ right now - but trauma in children was a thing nobody batted an eye at because it was in 1940!
I was heart broken when I saw the donkey scene
His voice when he cries out that he wanted to go home to his mama...
Yeah, I even felt bad for Lampwick…….who was genuinely frightened, he even regretted making fun of jiminy as he begged Pinocchio to call him for help.
I feel like they can still talk because they're not as bratty as the other boys, and they only came to the island and misbehaved out of peer pressure which makes this all the more tragic. Especially knowing that they were banking on the boys not being able to talk and have them reported, one can only assume something even more sinister happened to them.
Although I like to tell myself that after the movie ends Pinocchio and his father go straight to the authorities and the fox, cat, and creepy guy end up hanged. I also like to pretend that the physics of the 1996 version applies and they just need to clean up their act to be boys again.
Well, this man devoted himself to sin, which is how this was possible.
I agree with that too, the true happy ending
Just as a lot of the old Fairy Tales could be very dark and frightening (today almost everything older than 5 or 10 years relentlessly rifled through and considered too dark or too macabre or too violent or too ‘offensive’ in some way by some clown though) they also had an important moral or cautionary tale of good and bad, right and wrong and so on central to the overall plot.
Although even the Disney version is a little more tame than the original written fairy tale, the story isn’t changed much.and the consequences of not heeding the caution of the story is where they usually become quite dark.
They would be unsettling to young children a century ago as they were to me as a child (had an illustrated book of Brothers Grimm Fairy Tales) but the moral of the story was the real takeaway and wasn’t just forgotten.
I think it would ruin the impact of Pinocchio if they changed it just because some people are now no longer mentally or emotionally capable of handling a harsh ending to a story.
In reality there’s now a lot of people who get away with appalling crimes and continue to do so and nothing is done to stop them or bring them to justice.
People throughout our entire political establishment and state apparatus, media institutions, within the police, education and social services have been directly involved in - or at least suppressed and covered up - the organised gr00ming and mass rapes of young girls and women across the whole country for the last two decades and still continues now.
Politicians and senior figures the state media are child molesters with likeminded international circles.
Government intelligence agencies knowing about and monitoring active terror cells and allowing them to carry out their attacks.
(I actually wonder whether some of these are being committed by the state now but obviously I cant actually prove that)
In addition to the last one, there’s a ‘damage control’ mechanism in place in case of a major terror incident which there’s already a number of pre-written media scripts, pre-written placards and T-shirts with slogans and messages on them, flower wreaths and teddies in case children are killed, even ‘personalised’ things by something particular to the history or character of a certain town or city. This is quickly dispatched while the public is still reeling in shock from the incident so the state and the press can immediately own the narrative, subvert and take control before public anguish can turn into public outrage.
There’s too many to go on listing and this villainy has become ubiquitous, but you realise that very wicked and evil people who should be publicly hanged are not facing any consequences at all because who’s going to stop them when they are the perpetrators? They know we can’t do anything and so they don’t even hide or be afraid of the law unlike the villains in Pinocchio.
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Pleasure Island: Miami Florida
The Boys: Spring Breakers
The Donkey Transformation: Cronovirus
3:45 always gets me. He's like "It's not just tobacco in here, is it?"
This would be a good way to scare little kids into behaving.
DJDoubleCee No, it wouldn't. It would traumatized them. You're an adult figure, they trust you. Telling them this will happen if they misbehave is beyond irresponsible, reckless and straight up messed up.
R R Bottom line you want them to behave and do the right thing and with some children I think they need some scare tactics. Now physically abusing them would be going too far.
DJDoubleCee Bro, that movie terrified me as a kid. It kept me up nights. Imagine is some adult figure came up to me and told me that shit will happen to me if I misbehave. There are several other better ways you can get children to behave that don’t involve scarring them.
R R Yeah but unfortunately with some kids you have no other choice but to use scare tactics. With some of them it’s the only way they’ll learn to behave.
I tell my little cousin that I would ship him there so he would turn into a donkey if he misbehaves and I still do he probably hates me but hey he good
Pinocchio I will say is scarier than most horror films I've ever seen.
Lampwicks last word....mama. thats just sad. I get the moral meaning and all. Its all about our choices. Still messed up. The true dark stuff this applies to...Lessons to remember:.1.Don't make bad choices. 2. Don't talk to strangers. They come in all ages. By the time u learn your lesson, it's too late. Try to be the one to make it out with your true self and get a 2nd chance for a better outcome in life. Only 1 in so many will be able to do so. The rest will stay lost.
Yup! Rebellious kids can go from tough guys to wimps in a matter of seconds😂.
Still felt sorry for him though😕
I was such a weird kid, when I was younger I loved this scene😳 I’m surprised that everyone as child were scared of this scene lol
I loved this movie as a kid, but never understood just how severely dark this was.
I never realized it until I rewatched it just recently, but the Coachman got away with his crimes. That’s straight up scary.
It’s probably set during nazi occupied Italy
@ mraaronhd
Yes. That’s rare!
But so did the hunter who shot Bambi’s mom, he got away with it too!
@@amylee8969 that’s true
Some of this looks dangerous, the model home especially because they’re throwing and tossing bricks and furniture. I’m surprised no one got hurt of crushed.
Perhaps the message there is what you mess with without knowing can hurt you.
Who says they didn’t....
@ nickzilla20
Who knows. Some probably DID get hurt.
In the original story, the character Lampwick was based on was sold to a farm. He would die after being overworked.
Everyone’s saying this traumatized them as a kid, when I was a kid I was like “what the hell is going on???”
I never actually saw this movie, and I’m kind of happy about it now.
I pretty much only like Honest John the fox and Gideon the cat.
@@Quirky_Ventriloquist Honest John is funny but Gideon is just creepy af.
@@lm64luigi85 I know I love Honest John a lot and Gideon is funny but a bit creepy.
Hmmm this is the place where donkey from shriek came from :)
@abc.animal514 I don't think it is Shrek takes place in like the 15 to 16 hundreds in the Middle Ages and the movie Pinocchio take play in the 1900 probably before or few years into or after World War 1 so in between 1899 can maybe 1915
This video was so creepy
I agree!
Today I was thinking about my secondary experience. Because I dont hang out too much like other teenagers. I got angry with my mom today because of that and other thing. And then... Well, I apologize a lot and I hugged her so much. Before seeing this
Now I dont regret :D
@*•:Monika:•* 🙈🙈 thank you so much, and sorry if there are any mistakes... English is not my first language 🙈
I was never afraid watching this scene when I was a kid, but know come to think of it..
I won't lie when i say that this scene scared the crap out of me so much when i was little, that it made me develop a fear of donkey's in real ife. and that fear lasted until i was in my teens because you know by then i was old enough to realize that it's just a movie.
"Mama!"
"MAAAMAAAAAAA...!"
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"Hi, I'm Johnny Knoxville, welcome to Jackass!"
Fellow audience of outlaw country
This is indeed a good example, and I now have remembered about the pleasures I sought to seek, but now this example, it made a reflection of my life. Thank you for making everyone this video.
I think I get why they added that part to teach kids to not act stupid and always try to make the right choice
I dont know if that's the lesson but i think it is I also never seen this movie I heard of it but never seen it
Not acting stupid is a big part of the lesson. The boys enter Pleasure Island and are enticed to behave like jackasses figuratively then turn into them literally. Once transformed they are sold and shipped off to perform backbreaking slave labor. If you don't get an education or learn a valuable trade, your future is bleak as bottom of the barrel slave wage jobs are what you're going to get. Act like a jackass and you'll break your back like one for the rest of your life.
It's all the more unsettling when you think that the Coachman most likely had the donkeys who can still talk all killed, since he wouldn't want any of them escaping and telling other people about what happened.
Actually no, in the book it says the ones who speak pull his coach for the rest of their lives. Of they speak up in anyones presence tho, they will get punished
Or better still sent to washington dc^^
I never thought this scene was that scary when I was younger more like wondering where the donkeys where going. But the whale scene I was terrified off
Same.
Nobody ever seems to mention the whale…
It used to fucking terrify me though…
I still remember going on about being scared of being in the whale’s belly snd having some bad dreams about it.
Feels like the fear went on for years but my mum still remembers me going on about it when I was little and it was only a couple of months rather than a few years haha.
Pleasure island is today's college institutions.
Cruel, cruel irony. Worst of all, it's a more "repsected" Pleasureland. It's like, if you don't go to college, people, most of them, tend to look down on those who didn't go as stupid nitwits. The truth is, most of students who come out of colleges nowadays are the real twits.
@@kaijufan6246 agree completely. If I had kids I would not support sending them to college unless I was 100% sure they would not be indoctrinated. I'd rather send them to a trade school. I see more value in a welder,pipe fitter, diesel mechanic, computer technician,plumber,etc than someone who majors in lesbian dance theory.
@@cheshire_skatkat9093 agreed. Furthermore, I would discipline my kids, if I ever have any, and nurture them at the same time, so they would have the courage to not "fit in" with the wrong crowd, and be content with who they are already. If yoy catch my drift
Kaiju Fan totally agree! I’m so sick of the sanctimonious, outdated platitudes of college being what makes “the golden” versus those without a college diploma “the unwashed”.
@*•:Monika:•* Yup. A good slice of humble pie is the only healthy pie in the world. By the way, I appreciate you sharing that story with me. Also, here is something people don't get. Kids NEED to be afraid of something. I don't mean unhealthy fear. I mean healthy fear. You know? Know their place. Respect authority, parents, etc.
What kinda sick twisted person does this?!
Someone who's fed up with street kids committing crimes and naughty kids doing bad things.
Your no better then the bad kids if you choose to turn them into donkeys and sell them to slave labour
Sociopathic people apparently when there’s something to gain from it.
@@abstraction6212 That's true that's why I like asking many Holy Rollers...IF THE DEVIL TORTURES BAD PEOPLE...DOES THAT MAKE HIM GOOD?
The Devil...
This is why you don’t make bad decisions, don’t think in the wrong way, don’t act lawless and don’t rebel, this is exactly what happens
The Coachman should have his own movie, where is revealed how was his past and what was his motivation to become what is he.
Like an origin prequel. You listening, disney?
I wondered how does the coachman be able to clean up the mess the kids made before sending in another round of bad kids. Just think of all the work effort and money building all of Pleasure Island.
eddzetarabbit My guess is his minions cleaning and rebuild pleasure Island. Or Dark Magic.
Is it weird that there’s no girls?
The males make for stronger donkeys.
Boys are more valuable or some shit. When a boy is orphaned usually all his relatives (including his sister) are dead, hence the Lost Boys of Sudan.
King Troid Malademic machine King No it wouldn’t, they would both be terrible.
Good girls go to treasure island to get rewards for their chores and good labor
Little girls back in the days aren't seen to be smoking and drinking. Teen girls may be an exception, but overall, girls were overlooked to be more behaved than boys.
2:48 He's naked!
Pleasure Island is the original Surviving R. Kelly 💯! Lol
This would be a great idea to decrease the prison population: make a theme park that turns prisoners into donkeys or other animals.
bruh thats fucked up man
And also the detention percentages
Why not turn them to food? (Look on: The Promised Neverland).
Prisoners are already doing unpaid labor, or are in chain gangs or solitary confinement. Would it be that much different?
This in a way is a reiteration of what happens to you when you give in to all the pleasures of life. It leads to nothing but death and destruction
Ohhh, so thats why donkey from Shrek can talk. No wonder.
This movie always scared the shit out of me. Especially this part.
Ali: Here is funny thing.. If there’s are furry here, they probably picked the Donkeys.
If the Coachman were arrested i bet the other prisoners would take good care of him😁😜
Coachman would end up like Jeffrey Dahmer.
"And what's you name?"
"HAAAAAW-heee!"
LMAOOOOOOOOOO
3:55 Shrek - Oh No He's Turned into a Donkey!!!
4:09 Donkey - He sounds like one too!!!.....Do I laugh like that?.
After watching this as a kid, one day I didn’t wanna go to school so my mom said I’d turn into a donkey like in the movie and I started panicking and got ready for school lmaoooo
3:19 the Coachman actually did kinda have a point when he says “you boys have had your fun. Now pay for it!”
Exactly. The boys made their choice to go to the island, but was never forced.
When I was a kid and saw this scene it didn't encourage me to want to behave instead it made me wonder how I can be a bad guy that gets what I want and gets away with it...THE COACHMAN, THE FOX, THE CAT
I hope you do not actually feel that way.....if you do then you might grow up to be a murderer or rapist or something. I hope you are joking.
Think that might be a sign that you need therapy there, bud
And hollywood theyre just as bad
Wish there were a sequel in which the coachman gets the Disney version of overkill.
Pinocchio was immune to the donkey mutation and it never worked on him. It only works on a regular human being.
Eric Scott. Well he get Donkey ears and donkey tail.
Actually Pinoke never went full jackass because he got away in time.
@@AarHan3 Pinocchio was very lucky there. But unfortunately The Coachman get away with that.
It seems that water can stop the curse, as when Pinocchio went into the ocean, the transformation stopped, leaving only donkey ears, donkey tail, and a donkey laugh.
In the film and subsequent other films minus Disney version, it shows that Pinocchio actually DOES get turned into a donkey and in one film, he is sold off to the circus where he's forced to do acrobatic routines show after show, but when he sees the Blue Fairy in the audience, he trips and injures himself to which the ring leader of the circus literally throws Pinocchio into the ocean to drown (and then be fished out so his fur/pelt can get skinned off his carcass) but the blue fairy summons pirahnas where they eat Pinocchios donkey skin and turn him back into a wooden boy.
How is this for children this gets you on the edge of your seat
As much as I sometimes enjoy background stories that make the villains at least Understandable (e.g. Cruella, Maleficent, etc.) I REALLY hope they don’t do that with the Coachman. I see absolutely NOTHING that would justify or make Understandable treating children like this. They are KIDS!
Those movies were reboots. Cruella even has dogs herself in that movie and has a completely different personality. Same for Maleficent. I don't think they would do ever do that with Coachman
I imagine it, being like, “ Batman Arkham Knight” the Coachmen Ms his minions are defeated and taken the GCPD, while the boys, are picked up and taken to safety and they find a way to reverse the curse.
I swear to god, the Coachman should placed in front of a firing squad for his crimes.
I actually feel bad for Alexander 😞
i don’t
@@daijirounchida3640 Nobody cares about you anyway lol
But i do. Now the poor dude is in washington dc as a member of the democratic party
What's wrong with playing pool?
I personally don't do or like drugs. I personally only smoke weed.
At the time this movie was made, pool was mainly used for gambling.
@@shockzilla0364 educational comment on UA-cam is educational
Nothing is wrong with pool but alcoholism and smoking is what’s wrong.
Its the same thing as Poker its usually a gambling game.
So glad Jackass continues his life meeting an ogre and a princess that transforms into an ogre and ends up marrying a dragon and having donkey-dragón hybrid children. Hehe
This was genuinely scary!
2:43
The Coachman: And what's your name?
If that coachman had a conscience, he would've let those boys go home after they had enough of Pleasure Island. At least he could've let Alexander and all the other talking donkeys go.
@jf k regardless, that coachman has no conscience. Most of those boys may have been between 9 and 14 years old
@@kristinadospoy7347 In the book it says they’re 8-14 years old so I’d say they’re around those ages in the movie too.
What I find very disturbing about this scene is not the boys becoming donkeys or Lampwick gradually turning into a donkey but how long the Coachman has gotten away with his crime. Obviously these boys including Lampwick were the latest batch of kids to become donkeys. Hundreds of other previous boys have no doubt visited Pleasure Island have become donkeys and I bet hundreds of more future visitors to the island became donkeys.
The question is. Are The Coachman a human or a Demon in dissguise like a human.
@Revan And then they make a deal with The Coachman.
This made me frown so hard my face almost popped off☹️☹️☹️
I watched this when I was 6, I was traumatized by all of this
What’s disturbing about the one shot of the “abandoned” amusement park is that it looks like it’s been destroyed. That means the kids probably transformed close together. Imagine a theme park full of kids convulsing on the ground & transforming into animals, screaming and crying😨😨😨
I mean, it was also damaged b/c the boys went on a rampage destroying everything.
Legend has it that one of those talking donkeys grew up to be Eeyore.
Pinocchio was such a damn follower and so easily manipulated throughout the whole movie.
I'll keep Pinocchio safe and never turn him into a donkey and take him back home to his father Geppetto!
I always told my little cousin that if he misbehaves I would ship him to pleasure island where he would turn into a donkey. I still do know and he is 10
Can you hear the rumors disney going to live action movie of pinocchio
They already did Lion King and Mulan will soon be released
I wasn’t scared of the donkey scene in the movie, but the live action donkey transformations scarred me (im not talking about the new one, im talking about that really creepy live action one)
Dude it's already exist
I saw it and it was good
Maybe I’m a man of a different time, but I don’t see the issue with playing pool. In fact, my grandpa taught me to play.
Modern Disney would never do this again, at least in 2D form.
This was far darker than anything in the 2022 remake.
This one was made in 1940. It was a different time back then.
Words like “jackass” and use of smoking and drinking beer would have NEVER slid in todays world and weak parents would’ve been pissed and not allow their kids to watch.
I never realized just how dark these scenes are
It’s funny how they get away with Saying the word jackass 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Ikr and this is rated G
Honestly sometimes I complain that Disney is too family-friendly but then I see this...
"but I want to go home to my momma"
Really sad
not sad at all. funny because they messed themselves up by not listening to their parents. too bad for them
I'll admit this is very scary and sad, but has anyone in here ever watched "Pinocchio and the Emperor of the Night"? There's a character on that who makes The Coachman look like Santa, and a scene that makes this look mild.
My earliest memory is watching Pincchino and Lindwick turn into dockeys
This movie would not be rated g today
Actually, it still is.
Pinocchio says being bad is fun, but they aren't being bad. The donkey man is saying to go ahead and smash things, break them, that's what they're there for. He said it was okay to smoke and eat cake, ice cream and all that.
When you say it's okay to do it they aren't being bad.