Introverted Intuition (Ni) in Action
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CC option was turned on, and Ni was transcribed as "an eye" :)
Ha ha. Sometimes machines are accidentally funny.
In uni I was always accused of starting my research topic too broad , gathering seemingly irrelevant information , but using it to somehow come up with a unique spin on the end product. No one had confidence in me. They thought I was scattered and unfocused but in the end I zeroed in and synthesized everything into a very cool conclusion. Because it's such a different approach than most people take to analyze and reach conclusions , my profs were usually very critical until they finally read my papers with their jaws dropped and a resulting A+. Working in teams was tough on projects because it took me a long time to grasp things but then as you said, it comes like a lightening flash. Others demand a more consistent approach and made me feel like I was lazy and not contributing when in fact it was exactly the opposite. Just that I couldn't articulate right off the bat and in a linear fashion.
Thank you. Yes! Delivery of what you want to say is so hard...
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One of my favorite homework assignments was when my professor asked me a question that did not pertain to a graded assignment. It was a critical thinking question and that is what I did I went home "slept on it" for I think a week and the answer just came. I wish more teachers would prompt this way of thinking.
Rambling is a sign that you’re not prepared and Fe is trying to figure out the rules for Ni and Ti to operate in. It will manifest into talking in circles because Ni/Ti is looping. Ni understands the end but, it doesn’t understand the beginning. At that point an INFJ will need to stop talking and gather more information. Ti child wants to be right and Ne Nemesis is paranoid about other people’s intentions. The logic is “I’m covering all my bases because I’m not sure what I’m saying is true and isn’t being verified.”
Direct, Responding, Movement.
Great insight into the topic, thank you! :)
Franktipus Rogerstun That really reminded me of C. S. Joseph's way of typing, interactional temperaments. Very well described!
@franktipus
Is it true that Ne only comes to action when Ni Ti loop occurs?
Does it come to play when you are prepared or when Fe is active?
I feel envy. You can articulate the Ni very well. I have a busy mind with abstract information, I feel it hard to articulate my thought. Sometimes I imagine if people can communicate through mind reading.
My Ni with my husband’s Ne…. He talks and talks and talks. I can see how your analogy applies, he knows he’s going to come across the point somewhere and is happy to take the time to find it. I’m sitting there like “I get it, I know the point, let’s get on with it”.
I feel your pain.
Yeah I think Ni doms go on rambles because Ni is picking up pieces of information unconsciously ("Does this piece of information serve the end goal of what you are trying to get across"?).
Then we will try to synthesize consciously as much as we can through speech and if we make a mistake, we make a pause, stop talking and deviate to another path. Sort of like zigzagging without losing track of the statue (end goal) like you mentioned, right?
We have the answer, but the problem would be explaining to others how you got to it without trying to sound illogical or biased or making the baader-meinhof leap (I think I'm saying it right?). I think the baader-meinhof leap and Ni can go hand in hand because Ni is quick to notice patterns and symbols and will synthesize and say something like: "See, I told you! You are not crazy. You need to protect yourself from this person. He is dangerous for your wellbeing. This person demonstrates the same patterns as that other person, remember?".
It’s like this, Ren: I walk every day and enjoy it but it is almost winter 🇦🇺 and I want to keep walking, so studied walking pad treadmills, selected one to suit me and bought it. Yesterday it arrived and I unpacked it and leaned it up against a wall. It will stay there and I walk past it knowing that my brilliant intuitive mind will let me know what room it will go in and when I’ll be ready to learn how to use it. Am not in a rush. The day will come when all the info will come together and then I’ll just do it and do it fast!
Being an Ni dominant, I also tend to say my statements as: “(insert discussion here) BUT, (and then followed by a pause as you did near the beginning of the video)......” It’s like I say BUT because I know there’s some other angle to be considered or just that I know there is a contradiction to it but cannot articulate it easily. When I say BUT after a long sentence and give a good pause, I am thinking of how to best say the words while I already have the whole picture in mind. Perhaps I am translating illustrations to words or simplifying complex ideas. We kind of speak the same way Renaud haha. It’s rare to find someone who speak that way. I bet you like how you sound. :)
I laughed so many times in this video at the sheer joy of watching Ni in action and what is more, you appear comfortable in it, with others it feels awkward, for you it doesn't seem that way! I completely relate with this in such a deep way and I am so happy I've been catching up on your videos, I have been missing out on so much! I enjoy this a lot, and learn so much from it. The thing is I myself feel so awkward in my Ni at times because of several reasons, and people seem to think I will never reach an end to my conclusion, when in fact I know my conclusion, I just can't directly describe it without "beating around the bush" a bit first. It's like a strange stair stepping process that I must exercise before being able to get to my point, and people often grown tired of listening to my rambling because they want me to get to the point, LOL. I am aware of this and so I am insecure about it and I need to find a way to become more comfortable and let my Ni lead me. It is so cool how our brains are wired, but sometimes, it is inconvenient when needing to explain things in a hurry. When writing or conversion non-verbally, I can be quite long-winded, (you know this first-hand lol) but it seems to be the best way for me to let go of that insecurity that people will think I don't know what I am talking about because of my rambling... lol. I guess because I am not face to face, and the pressure of appearing like I want to is less dramatic. Hmm.. it seems like I am rambling now... haha on to the next video, before I take up the whole screen with just trying to explain how well I can relate to this video... lol. OH! Another thought is that (personally speaking, ofc) Ni seems to need to gather information as we head towards the "statue" so as to "confirm" our original insight or point, or target, and this sort of helps validate us in a way, so we keep towards our goal in our zigzag fashion, making sure we have all the bits and pieces needed to make our point "perfect" or in the very least, to make sense to others who aren't Ni dominant. We need that "journey" to our goal for us to be able to make sense to others, because we don't understand how we got to the conclusion oftentimes so navigating it helps to explain it to ourselves so that we can explain it to others. :) I hope this makes sense, sheesh. LOL
Thank you, April! It's always nice to hear that I seem comfortable "within" Ni... It's definitely a place I enjoy ;)
Those last few sentences show some wonderful insight; sort of a self-monitoring process to leave no stone unturned while concurrently staying (mostly) on track. I think this shows a combined intensity of focus together with a desire to thoroughly explore inputs that can contribute to a better understanding of whatever point it is we are trying to make.
Ren, I make all of my videos on the fly. Never prepare, and why would I? Because I know that as soon as I start talking it comes out in full, just right anyway! Plus, I don’t want to muck a bout editing and trying to be scripted like others are.
Sharing ideas as an Ni seems scattered because the Ni’s direct answers are either vague to others or insufficient/unsatisfactory to the Ni. It may be vague to others because the Ni is aware of exceptions or circumstances, so the Ni shares the idea broadly (or in a specific way that only makes sense to the Ni because of the way the Ni associates the idea to many other ideas) to avoid having to explain it all. So, the Ni must take the long route to share an idea so that the listener understands WHY or HOW an idea is so.
Source: it would take too long for me to determine and explain the books, videos, and lectures that source what I’ve said. I am an Ni lol
I think introverted intuition is basically a conclusion of path derived by the already subconscious gathering of data.
Such a super-INFJ video hahhaa!! So much Ni going on here, and consideration of Fe to viewers. Somewhat like a "mirror" of myself, of how I perceive my inner experience.
Thank you, I'm glad you related to it! I'm not surprised that you felt it to be a little bit of a mirror, as I felt the same way for some of your videos (as well as your interview with pucokie). :)
Haha, i felt the same way, I don't even know how I understand this video, because yes, he "rambles" (I have an issue with that term LOL but I guess its accurate in a way but it sounds derogatory) But yes, A SUPER INFJ mirror haha
@@aprilparker7151 Right!! I too do not "like" the term "ramble", because people are misinterpreting it, and what it actually is, due to their own subjective little reality of how they perceive things and the world on a personal level, combined with what is the "societal norm", where in actuality, most people are holding back their true selves, their "rambles" and deeper things, to be more of the "normal" and surface-level-person to not stick out etc, thus leaving their real self in the dark, shutting out the brilliance that lies within all of us, beyond the fear based psyche.
Super INFJ Mirror. Where do I buy one! IKEA? :D XD
@@JonasAnandaKristiansson Haha! Don't need to do that, just stick around here! Or hop over to the forums, if you aren't on there already lol. But... I definitely agree! I have this idea that ... gosh I hate saying this because it sounds awful... but "less enlightened people" just wouldn't understand. So they see it as unintelligent or something, when in fact, is the true opposite, they are just too blind (or shallow, in a sense?) to see. I know it sounds presumptuous, and I dont mean these other people are less intelligent, but yeah.. its true... :/
@@aprilparker7151 I know exactly what you are saying April! It's very much the opposite, and the utmost of people that "don't do that", are usually lacky in depth and surely various types of intelligence(s) as well. I know it sounds this and that, and usually I have to disclaimer-go-about-it as well, with most things if to speak the clear truth of perception, but I really know it isn't from a presumptuous place you are coming from. I see myself in that.
Great video. Would love a video on the inferior function Se. "..the mystery always begins in our inferior function, this is the place where new life, regeneration, is to be found." Nietzche
Haha, are you telling me that Nietzsche has a quote on the interior function? ;-) I'll try to see if I have something interesting to say about it. If yes, I'll make one, promise!
Frank James has a video about the Se weakness.
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This is probably different than Renault’s more philosophical take, though.
Perfect! This is what I've been looking for. This is INFJ "thinking". I haven't seen anything like this. You prepared in your head. I love this content. Thank you.
That's really interesting, especially the way Ni can superficially appear as Ne. I also wonder if the opposite can occur for Ne dominants. Really good video.
Intuitively, I would say that appearing as Ni is more likely to happen for Ne-auxillary, like INFP. Hence why Kierkegaard is particularly hard to type. Is he FiNe or NiFe? Usually people say FiNe, but there seems to be plenty of Ni in his writings. I'll make a video on the topic of KK soon.
I look forward to it :-)
@@RensRoom infps have ni id function (as well as INTPs) , which means they are naturally good at it but not their preferred function
@@RensRoom looking forward to watching that. I'm reading Either/Or at the moment.
INFPs in CPT have Ni as their subauthority much in the same way ENFJs have Ne as their subauthority so bringing it to conscious especially for divergent types isn't difficult
I myself feel the same as you, like a tree, all my life growing without knowing it, without even wanting to, until the size was considerable, and now I like being a tree, without realizing it I grew upwards and, above all, downwards my deeper and deeper roots wanted the water, the silence, the nutrients of the earth where all knowledge is, the light in the darkness, the depth of the soul that when the tree has taken root grows and grows and inadvertently sprouts a stem outside… as a rebel bad weed as described by botanical experts “ cut that herb! be careful because bad weed spreads quickly and never dies”they said, stop herb! Stop growing! I said she said! But sorry,herbs are curious… they don’t know anything but following the light 💡 that is the pure beauty of life, the air, the sun, and love, the fruit the seeds and expansion... the leaves listen branches absorb tell the roots psss pssss 🤫 you are alive,you are one ☝🏿 tree we are one garden a forest a whole in the most sacred
(I started writing one thing and ended saying what I had to say)
I don't know if this is just the other side of being an Ni dom, but as an INTJ I sometimes skip steps and go straight to the conclusion since I just know the in-between steps and end up having to go back to explain them. I find it helps to have the in-between steps be their own endpoints that I get to (in order) when trying to explain things in a way that is more understandable to others.
I think Te-Se helps INTJs fill in that specificity although I can imagine that Ni-Fi is harder to articulate verbally than Ni-Ti as there's a natural deductive process involved (not that Fi can't be deductive but you get my drift)
I really appreciate your explaining myself to me. It is difficult to converse about intoverted intuition because not many people understand the concept.
I think this truly embodies Ni. Not the "hyper organized mastermind," which fits Si just as, of not far more than Ni, but someone who is at their core looking at the big picture. Someone who is ultimately about kaleidoscopic change within the mind, but can almost mever seem to find truth, well, ever. Hell, ypu could almlst argue, like many others have, than Ni fits INxPs more than INxJs in the classical Jungian sense because of their indifference to external possibilities, only the breadth of internal images produced by Se.
amazing approach. You altered my perception of reality and my insights for Ni, as well as the imagery of the surreal being so vivid...although my NE made me get up and pace at a few ideas and i did have to rewind and rewatch parts of this (7-10 times) I thoroughly enjoyed and will see your channel through with its contents - INFP
Sometimes people can say the same thing, but present it in a way that feels more approachable and relatable. I appreciate your content for that reason. Please keep doing what you do, I am grateful for you sharing your knowledge. Thank you Ren! 😉
This video just made me realize something about myself. I’ve always seemed to have this knack research presentations. I found that if I had properly scrutinized my subject, I didn’t have to organize and rehearse the presentation. It would always just come to me bit by bit, one thing leading to another. And funny enough, any time anyone asks me how I allegedly memorized everything or how I was so calm and collected whilst not having a concrete plan, I’d say “It just came to me”.
I guess this means I kinda fit the bill, what do you guys think?
Yes! This is awesome and I think this would work for me better because I sometimes have performance anxiety and forget everything I memorised anyway. But if it was stored in my Ni understanding, it would just flow.
I don't know if you get comments from your older posts but if you do this video was incredible for me it was absolutely what I do but it made me understand that it's part of who I am and I was able to resignate fully with it I'm not strange. I ordered your book actually all three and I look forward to reading them thank you so much for the videos that you do they enhance my life
INTP here. I envy you. I've made videos on other channels and I've pretty much accepted I'm never going to make a video on the spot in which I say everything I intend to say in the beginning. You described Ne as moles following multiple different paths underground. I would say I experience mine as I'm in a boat on a river delta with a strong current and multiple branches leading off it then multiple branches leading off each branch further along and while I can steer the boat, I largely get led by the current. Some lead to your statue at the end but in all likelihood I'll miss the statue and crash against the bank. I'll then need to get out of the boat, pick it up, wade through the river onto one of the other branches that lead in the direction of the statue. This crashing is my Ti saying "no you moron, you're going way off topic" and knowing I won't get anywhere near back to it because I'll forget what I was originally talking about. I'll experience this as me saying "aww fuck" and stopping recording. So most spontaneous videos I've done take the form of hundreds of small videos that are incredibly time consuming to put together, the ones where I've been too lazy to do that involve hundreds of tangents and don't cover everything I wanted to say and the ones I've scripted just sound lifeless and boring and at least to me sound VERY CLEARLY scripted.
I see the finish line, but struggle choosing what path I want to take to get there. I can relate in so many levels.
The feeling I get from you, is embodiment. Embodies the self and all that is, internally. A sense of trust in the embodiment (ni process). That floatiness is also what I got from you yeah. I like your approach cause it helps me affirm my own ni, as an enfj. I'm going to tap into this, as I'm writing a book at the moment. Thank you for creating this wonderful video. It helps me: "floaty and embodiment"
I was thinking that you 'felt floaty' and then later on you used this exact word
Sounds great! What is the book about, if you don't mind me asking? I'm look up embodiment to learn more about the concept.
@@RensRoom yeah ehm about embodies. .. I think I use the word to describe the ehm.. "bathing into the introspection process". That's what came to mind for me, what I've learned from you, with this video.
Well the e-book is "wellbeing guide, when dealing with chronic pain".
I grew up, having 2 parents with chronic pain and always wondered what the alternative is on dealing with pain. Right now I'm deep diving into mindfullness (Created to help people deal with chronic pain). It helps me meditate and get into my Ni, as well as it helps the people I care about. So very interesting journey.
The book is a very short, fun guide. Illustrated. And I think the introspection will help me in the creative process
Thank you, brother. you are reading my mind. I have always wondered why.
Great video my brother.
For me the best exemple is completing a puzzle I know what Im going for, I give all these different ideas (that doesnt have any connections for other people sometime) but when I finish all together it makes sense 😊
bro knows what he's doing
Thank you for doing this. I totally relate to way you explained it. Its almost uncanny. I feel i found a tribe that I can call home. Understood which is awkward like wait he gets me or relates in such a way that it's like wow. I do this stuff all the time. synthesize everything. Like I can know what going on inside a person if I concentrate or something but I feel really relaxed or in a zone or understand different things but like i gather all kind of information or things and then I get a aha moment and I just know something.
Thank you for sharing.
In the case of your “statue” symbol, in this video, I would describe Ni as more of a hollowed out vision of the statue and the journey involves gathering concrete data that materializes the statue over time. It’s as though you know the vision is of a statue, but you don’t have a clear picture of the statue yet. Once you are able to take in enough of the big picture, the full image of the statue materializes before you and your vision suddenly becomes very clear and you get a full insight. This is the “aha” moment, as I visualize it.
I think your exposition is completely right however I'd say the aha moment is when you dip down from your Ni into Si and fill in the details via Si-Ti convergence (CPT); the details are that which makes something tangible
@@Tified967, I follow CPT as well. I think dipping down into Si would make sense, as far as the process of rendering something concrete and tangible internally. I would add that this process is also likely possible with the use of Si-Fi, but maybe in a more subjectively experiential way. I am actually an INFP, myself and I can very much relate to recounting previous experiences I’ve had and reliving them in my head over and over again. It’s as though the experience is just as real to me as the day it happened, at times
Oh this was so helpful!
Wow, this was so hard to follow for me. The amount of concepts you talk about is something I found kind of overwhelming. The concepts were not concrete I would say. For my first 4 primary functions, my inferior function is Ni. I am trying to understand it more but the more and more I try to recognize it, I feel like I’m getting farther from it! -fellow ESFP
You've seen the big picture and know the patterns to get there.. But those patterns will let you fall into the rabbit hole where no one has ever been into that path, it requires a sacrifice you will loose your time with your friends, family, your loved one, and missed out the events of the present moment. Although there will be regrets the things that you missed because you spend time working hard on your goals, you forgot to eat and had sleepless nights.. Its better to have a healthy balance out Ni and Se so you wont burn out for overinflating Ni.
Great video, the technicality will overlap my operational, plus thank you for the mention.
I was only going to do videos on Cognitive and Physical, but you have reminded me that people still need help with the emotional, so that will be my first, thank you, now I just have to stabilise my thought process so I do not seem like a loony hahah.
Glad to be of help with giving perspective, John!
@@RensRoom , Emotional Empathy has been uploaded, Cognitive being uploaded right now then Physical Empathy straight afterwards - enjoy
Good to know John, I'll be sure to check that later!
Interesting thank u great vid! :-D
They say you should be very conscious of your dominant function, but it seems to me that, since it's something you're merged in all the time, it's something very difficult instead. Like asking a fish what's the stuff he lives in.
I watched this and another video about Ni - I don't know if you made some other on the subject - and while I am not 100% sure that Ni is my dominant function, I think I have a clearer grasping of what it might be. I liked the metaphor of the statue in the room, because it explains pretty well my style of approaching writing. Whether I'm writing my thoughts or a story, oftentimes I don't have a clear idea of what I'm going to write and sometimes not even a conscious idea at all. I just start writing whatever comes up in my head and then I see the thoughts going towards a certain direction on their own, until they hit the climax of the story or the topic I carded to talk about.
I'm a bit more confident on using Ni now. For some time I had total confidence I used Ni until I examined my writings and the feedback from my writings and they all seemed Ne to me. Perhaps I'm not writing enough to ever focus or hone in on one thing. Additionally all of my writings are timed analysis's of literature. We aim to write 3 pages within 40 minutes so that time constraint may also be whats preventing me from ever honing in on a target
In what way do your writings seem Ne to you? Ne and Ni can appear similar on the surface (in writing).
@@RensRoom The analytical essays seemed Ne to me because they seemed very scattered and my teachers complain that they don't see how some of my points are related to the thesis. In my non-analytical writings I use a lot of metaphors and lack descriptive language which I was told is characteristic of Ne. Although my "linear" analysis's are much better than my analysis's on specific rhetorical devices. By "linear" I mean analyzing the literature from start to finish and by "rhetorical devices" I mean devoting each paragraph to a specific technique like ambiguities or juxtaposition and explaining what meaning they develop. Although these are all timed writings that force me to write a particular way under a time constraint.
Last year the majority of my writings were current event journals which were not timed and involved a personal response, I did exceptionally well on these essays and my teacher told me they became the best in the class. Thanks to the american education system, I had never written an essay until I was 17, so this lack of practice could also contribute to a lack of the articulation associated with Ni in my writing.
I could send you one of those current even journals if you would be kind enough to analyze it. Analyzing a writing of a suspected INFJ could potentially be beneficial to your grasp of trends in INFJ writing, while also broadening my grasp on how functions manifest in writing. The essays are only about 700 words, divided between the analysis and personal response, which isn't a lot, but I don't know how busy your life is at the moment.
I'm pretty sure I use Ni, and if Im correct in that assumption I think your statue analogy is perfect. The way I picture the act of reaching said statue is that I have an intuitive idea of where the path should be, and I'm certain of where certain rocks or obstacles or creatures might be embedded within the path, so the focus is put entirely on crafting the safest or most sensible or most structurally sound path so that nothing external can penetrate or incorrectly interpret said path. I spend my time in conversation, and writing, perhaps even in thinking, by contributing wooden support beams to the underground burrow, and rounding out the edges of the path so that it is a smoother ride to return back and forth between, following the one direction I know concludes in uncovering the statue. Another way I interpret it is that there is an existant network of components that add depth to the original thought, and in order to communicate the thought in tangible terms, I place a magnifying glass on these preexisting pieces that I was already aware of but didn't have precise terms to relate them to reality until I actually used my minds eye to peer intensely at them. Otherwise, it resides in the subconscious, and influences that gut feeling as it exists in a form rooted to my being but blurry to the part of me that relates to the external world.
Not bad. Agree. Ni is use to Analys clue or pattern.
The South of France, that sounds lovely.
Where are you from? It sounds as if you have a bit of an Irish influence on your accent, but you are not Irish, I think. Are you from one of the Nordic countries?
Well noted! I lived in Ireland for seven years in my twenties :) I am originally from France.
@@RensRoom Ah, wouldn't have said France, but certainly Europe.
Renaud Contini Oh... and i‘ve always wondered why that Irishman had a French/Italian name.
That's How I Go Through Things? Don't Necessarily Know How To "Plan" Or Write For 1 Can't Necessarily Plan For 2 Usually Write In Circles Then Can't Read My Writing Which Becomes Frustrating As Well So Have Always Just Relied In My Intuition Which I've Always Called The Holy Spirit😁Just Sharing As Still Trying To Figure Things Out~I Want To Take Personality Test But Don't Want To Be Undermined After Which I Have Experienced🤗
Hello. Okay, so I will explain some stuffs, and you will tell me if that's Fi-Ne or Ni-Fe or Ni-Fi because I'm very confused right, so, please, help me out.
Most of the time, I experience the past as a theory? But, not like any random time of the past, because the others just randomly come with intense shame and regrets or Euphoric feelings and that is why I cannot force myself to remember the past concretely because, then, I won't feel or have the same emotions that I would have if they just popped up out of nowhere, but a specific time of past that was very important to me as I didn't do stuffs that, to me, I was supposed to do, and so I overthink about that period by imagining different scenarios of it over and over, but, slightly, modify them each time because I can't remember all of my fantasies exactly how they are.However, I also include the things I had to do in that period of time into my future as stuffs to accomplish in one way or another.
An example of that would be, me, creating new scenarios for that specific past time but, of course, with the same paths that it happened in, but different actions and impressions because, most of the time, I cannot remember the past in a concrete way enough to make sense of it and re-experience it, so I have to create one based on what I experienced in that time as past in my point of view.
I have bad memories of faces, voices, details behind the subjects; for example, if I'm trying to remember your face and I do it successfully, I won't be able to reproduce any other details other than your face and the placement you are in that envelops every other details as one. You get me? Or the fact that I have a tendency to always create sad or dramatic movies or fantasies stuffs in my head with the character being me and other people that I made up, and, sometimes, a reflection of people in my life, but I can never picture their faces clearly as I change everything about them and make them a perfect reflection of how I would like them to be in reality inside of my head, and then identifying with the painful scenarios of these inventive characters that I've made up inside of my mind while listening to sad songs in order to cry and not feel empty inside when I do feel like that. Or I can also create an hypothetical world of in an impossible future with all problems in this actual world being solved, and adopt this future as my reality and promise myself to turn it into everyone else reality; which, then, becomes possible to me as if I can imagine it, I can create it too because, weirdly, I believe I have a very great purpose on this Earth.
I totally relate to all of that! Sorry I can't be much help cause I don't know how that would apply to the functions. I'm almost certain I'm an infj though
Hi thank you so much for this video and yes this the approach And content I was looking for. Rambling, talking in circles I get it. Please do a video on how ni doms talk in abstract way, for I see I hardly have sensor content in my talks. I am trying to understand this concept.
Looks and sounds familiar to me Ren. Do you feel an exhaust on yourself by the time you've filled in the blanks.i do in me, but the sense of fulfillment boosts me back up. Do you think seeing an INFJ is all the exercise one needs??? What I've been wondering lately is if infjs are naturally slender body type?i have four children and I don't look like I've had one, never seen the inside of a gym. Our gym is our mind isn't it lol.A work out in itself. Id love to know the average body type for the infj. I'm thinking slim. I know metabolism plays a role, but how can our busy mindframes not impact weight?
Yes, I have often wondered about the exact same thing.
Indeed the rambling! All this extra that seems to random to others, but has meaning to an INFJ. Very few people get the flow of my ramblings (holy INFPs, so grateful for them) and with all the others it just makes me feel awkward as fuck to the point where my words stumble and I am totally unable to express my actually quite insightful thoughts. It so depends on the person if I can shine my light or not. I have recently started dating an ENTP and I just cannot understand why the hell he likes me because Im absolutely unable to make sense of what I want to express around him. Random concepts come out and its so annoying and awkward I just give up trying every time. Hopefully he is perceptive enough to at least get that Im somewhat insightful about life. 🤣 The lesson Im learning from it though is that I have been in my solitary comfort zone for too long and its time to up my game and renew and clarify my ideas and thoughts to myself again first.
I am very curious! When you found out you were INFJ and became more aware, did you consciously live INFJ or naturally live INFJ ?
Great question! I think a mix of both. I was more consciously living it in the few months that followed discovering my type, definitely. Progressively, though, I have grown "used to it", in a sense, and living my INFJness more naturally and tranquilly. What about you?
@@RensRoom yes I was very INFJ until 2013,,,,,INFJ still a part of me but I live more spiritually now.
Can you compare the eight jungian Personality types and the Neo Pri of 5factor model!
Hi! I'll look more into the Neo Pri of 5factor first, as I don't know much about it. Thank you for the suggestion :)
World of Philosophy I’m an INTJ and I am high in openness Ideas, Values BUT only modestly in Aesthetics and feeling
WHICH I suspects are Ni/Se axis!!
@@samis8098 Oh, I see. So Neo Pri of 5factor is just the extended Big 5? In that case, I'm sure I can concoct something after a bit of research. Oh, and it's always good to be in touch with INTJs. A very rare breed of people!
Sometimes I just feel I resonate with Ni a lot, but im supposedly an INFP!
i feel u!
So that this happen to just them particularely,; is just worst scenario possible.
Like saying that they hear particularely better and more, hence they are troubled how to distinguish between music and noise. ?
( Because sometimes when you say "subjectivally" I wonder why You don't say 'objectively"; that makes me doubt I got your explanation strait though.
English is my 4th language)
It's interesting seeing you use FE. For me a window represents an idea. Two people looking at the same window can have a different understanding of it. Each view is not a holistic screenshot of the window. It's a piece of the puzzle or part of the mosaic. That's my understanding.
somehow I feel like in a mirror and now I see how it may be tiring for some people to listen to me XD
I am very often ending in situations when I have tell : wait , please wait till conclusion, or I didn't manage to make a conclusion yet ! XD
I have a Te dom person (ESTJ I think) disliking me. She’s not particularly artistic but she loves to make artistic decisions fast. When I got involved, I’d email her ideas but she would not give me time to formulate my conclusion. Even when I could conclude faster, if my take wasn’t her take, she’d overrule me asap. Now she doesn’t get me involved in costume and accessory decision even though I am the fashionista and jewelry maker in the group (she’s the always wear tee shirt person).
I know this is a silly question but I want to be certain: Is an INFJ always Ni dominant? My test results usually come back as Intuition 52-60%, but the fact that I’m an INFJ means I’m dominant in NI regardless of what percentage my intuition is?🤷🏼♀️
16personalities isn't an accurate test/site. It's not even true MBTI theory. And yes, having Ni as the dominant function is what makes one INxJ
As Pedro Antonio said, INFJs (and INTJs) by definition have Ni as the dominant function. Each type is defined by having a particular set of functions in a particular order. If you're getting results from online questionnaires which indicate a relatively even balance between sensing and intuition, it could suggest that your sensing and intuition functions are your auxiliary and tertiary functions. This would in turn mean that you were a J-dom (i.e. thinking or feeling as the dominant function). For example, if your test results indicate a strong preference for feeling over thinking, that could mean that your dominant function is feeling, whether extraverted or introverted.
But online personality tests are are known to be very unreliable and there are all kinds of factors which can contribute to making the results you get from them inaccurate. The best way to clarify your type (if you're uncertain) is to spend more time researching the mental functions. But having said that, I've been studying this stuff for years and I'm still not sure what type I am!!
INTP here. I call that "winging it" with my Abstract thought process helps it all come out, and come together like an Opus. I don't know if that's just a higher IQ quick witted thing though.
Ren.? The guy from NWA ...hes changed a little over the last 20 years. 🤔😉
Like a pyramid.
You are building the blocks left and right of each other before reaching the pinnacle.
I've been wanting to tell you the same thing John told you for a while now
Zinker Well
John king?
I thought he was going to go shave his face.. he said it looked terrible.. when he came back still looking terrible.. I must have missed something...
I don't think it looks like Ne, but rather Ti.
Maybe superficially, but I think perceiving vs. judging functions are very different.
ps.. You have a hangnail and every time you pointed toward the screen I immediately went to it, LOL why do I notice such things? It didn't annoy me, I just thought it funny that I noticed it at all. haha
Epiphany...
I don’t think you are rambling. I listen and assume it all comes together in conclusion. If you watched me cook you would first see me put different ingredients and tools out on the counter. It’s all timed even in this part of the process. Eggs are on the counter because they get to room temperature while I do other activities. It all comes together at the right time. I do not want help from very nice people who offer it. I would not want to teach it. I think better when I’m alone and verbalizing my process throws off the rapid organizing I could be doing.
Are you German?
He's French. :)
Hello😂
imo Ni is not obvious at all until all the pieces are starting to fall in their place.When that happens you better hope you didn't do anything to slight that person...
adlib play by ear....intuition,do infj adlib,i do it with my humor....??
Renaud....I respect, value and am observing some of your videos...I want to tell you just one thing...INFJ's are always available...Always...but to anger, NO....to control....NO...but if you tell an INFJ that you need help, there is never a more willing person in the world to help....but notto aggressiveness, including control. That is what you are missing, and the need to control in definitions, is pushing people away. Everyone is unique...You cannot put these people in a box...So I would argue your point. I have never met an INFJ that wasn't available....but at their timing not yours....Sorry...you are wrong with that one...CDHx1
what's with the 4 minute intro of you basically just saying "I'm going to talk about introverted intuition" over and over?
you probably INFJ,right???
I am :)
@@RensRoom wanna high five??