An author named Robert C. Sloane wrote a series of two paperback horror novels about trolls titled A Nice Place to Live (1981) and The Vengeance (1983). They were based on the Norse myths, and even stated that the myths were based on fact, but had an interesting twist on the trolls' origin. The first novel specifically said that men were a hybrid of the giants and the dwarfs (and had a mixture of characteristics of the two races) and trolls were a hybrid of the giants and men.
trolls are oddly my favorite fantasy beast. they have great potential for acts of savage brutality. they are huge and can wield cool curved swords or clubs. they are such a cool beast. i do remember trolls in battle for middle earth were cool troops because they could eat orcs or goblins to regain health and throw rocks or turn an uprooted tree into a club. i also remember snow trolls looking very different in war in the north. they were no less intimidating. their intimidating size and strength is one of the many things that make trolls cool.
In my current d&d campaign we have a troll NOC named Gibbles our DM has given us because I rolled a 20+4 for persuasion against it thinking I was just a small troll as Im playing a Githyanki which is a 6ft tall green humanoid 😂
I'm fairly certain that there were absolutely no trolls out in the sunshine at any point in LotR. Moria is obviously dark, but any at the battle of the Pellennor Fields, or at the Black Gate were protected by the Ash/Cloud/Shadow barrier woven by Sauron to protect them and the Orcs. I couldn't find anything definitive one was way or the other as the remains either stone or still flesh aren't ever discussed in any way.
Swedish folklore concerning trolls differs vastly from Norwegian trolls, which have more in common with the trolls in the works of Tolkien. Swedish trolls are instead thought of as cunning magic users, who regularly kidnap infants and children from their home and leave their own in exchange. More often than not, they are described as having a tail that they are very proud of which is a plot point in many a story.
The odd biology session in the middle was odd. But also interesting perhaps the stone thing if non magical means they are a colonial organism like asiphonophore ant hill, magical hibernation, or some kind of proto-vampire.
In O.G. Tolkiens writings orcs are twisted humans not elves. The orcs=elves part was something his son or grandson (cant remember which) added when finishing the silmarillion. While his family has added a ton of great lore, i like the OG origin better since canonically humans are far easier to corrupt than elves.
Did I just understand you to suggest that trolls perform the H E R E T I C A L process of _Daemonculaba?!_ O, yonder Inquisitorius.... If you might tend to a small matter, right over here, please.... 😁
@@thegametroll6264 It's suspected by Tree Beard that they are in mockery of Ents, but he is the only on one that has offered that explanation. It may or may not be true. We simply don't have much information to go on. We know that orcs appeared "coincidentally" shortly after Elves being disappeared "shortly" after their awakening but we don't even get that degree of circumstantial evidence with the origin of Trolls. With all that being said, I kind of like the mystery. It's just another display of how utterly powerful Melkor was and how big Tolkien's universe is.
In O.G. Tolkiens writings orcs are twisted humans not elves. The orcs=elves part was something his son or grandson (cant remember which) added when finishing the silmarillion. While his family has added a ton of great lore, i like the OG origin better since canonically humans are far easier to corrupt than elves.
@@joeycampbell940 No....Elves are suspected by "The Wise" of being Elves IN THE CANON WORKS. Tolkien's son Christopher compiled a bunch of notes his father had jotted down for several other "possible" origin of orcs...none of which make sense if you are using any of his canon works as guides and all of which are also contradictory.
@@joeycampbell940 Again...the "O.G." version has Orcs appearing shortly after Melkor and his servants discovered the newly awakened Elves location and started abducting those who strayed to far from Cuvienien...Men didn't arrive until many thousands of years afterwords during the very first Sun rise, which explains perfectly why Orcs seem to remember things that happened thousands of years in the past that they otherwise would not have witnessed, their absolute hatred of anything "Elvish" and their allergen to Sunlight....also the idea that Elves are somehow less prone to corruption than men is dubious. The entire Silmirililon is based on the corruption of The Noldor via greed, pride, and envy.
Goblins are refered to as orcs in the Tolkien legendarium. Though if you wanted to be technical they are much smaller and dwell in caves in the mountains. We saw them in the hobbit trilogy when thorin and company were captured and brought to the goblin king. We saw ogres in the extended version of battle of the five armies when azhog called for the Dwarven war machines to be destroyed. You may have mistaken them for a troll of a sort but they were a tad on the shorter side of trolls. They wore nothing but a cloth around the waste and they used clubs to batter the Dwarven war machines into submission. Just a brief knowledge of Goblins and ogres that showed up in the films.
@@josephtanner4594 I believe the word goblin was used as a term to describe more "feral" orcs in the books but they became their own thing in the movies. They were much more diminutive than orcs and they tended to attack in swarms whenever they were seen in the movies. I'd like to think goblins are their own thing like orcs, trolls or ogres.
@@thegametroll6264 I Understand But Were There Any Mentions Of Orges In The J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth? Because I Only Remember Them From Walt Disney's - The Adventure Of The Gummi Bears & Shrek.
@@josephtanner4594 if there were any mentions I will be honest I haven't read the books a lot. All I know is there are ogres in the battle of the five armies extended version.
Another masterpiece of a video thanks 🙂👍🏻👍🏻
Remember in "The Hobbit" there are mountainous Stone Giants that the Morgoth could have used as source material for Trolls.
What no, the stone giants where a one off line that is more likely a metaphor for the brutality of the storm
Wow a 30 minute video repeating the same dozen or so facts, impressive
An author named Robert C. Sloane wrote a series of two paperback horror novels about trolls titled A Nice Place to Live (1981) and The Vengeance (1983).
They were based on the Norse myths, and even stated that the myths were based on fact, but had an interesting twist on the trolls' origin. The first novel specifically said that men were a hybrid of the giants and the dwarfs (and had a mixture of characteristics of the two races) and trolls were a hybrid of the giants and men.
trolls are oddly my favorite fantasy beast. they have great potential for acts of savage brutality. they are huge and can wield cool curved swords or clubs. they are such a cool beast. i do remember trolls in battle for middle earth were cool troops because they could eat orcs or goblins to regain health and throw rocks or turn an uprooted tree into a club. i also remember snow trolls looking very different in war in the north. they were no less intimidating. their intimidating size and strength is one of the many things that make trolls cool.
In my current d&d campaign we have a troll NOC named Gibbles our DM has given us because I rolled a 20+4 for persuasion against it thinking I was just a small troll as Im playing a Githyanki which is a 6ft tall green humanoid 😂
I had a good idea, can you do skeksis next.
I'm fairly certain that there were absolutely no trolls out in the sunshine at any point in LotR. Moria is obviously dark, but any at the battle of the Pellennor Fields, or at the Black Gate were protected by the Ash/Cloud/Shadow barrier woven by Sauron to protect them and the Orcs. I couldn't find anything definitive one was way or the other as the remains either stone or still flesh aren't ever discussed in any way.
circa 0:30 the norse mythological dwarf Elvis who, come the dawn, turned into Jailhouse Rock.
Swedish folklore concerning trolls differs vastly from Norwegian trolls, which have more in common with the trolls in the works of Tolkien.
Swedish trolls are instead thought of as cunning magic users, who regularly kidnap infants and children from their home and leave their own in exchange.
More often than not, they are described as having a tail that they are very proud of which is a plot point in many a story.
The odd biology session in the middle was odd.
But also interesting perhaps the stone thing if non magical means they are a colonial organism like asiphonophore ant hill, magical hibernation, or some kind of proto-vampire.
In O.G. Tolkiens writings orcs are twisted humans not elves. The orcs=elves part was something his son or grandson (cant remember which) added when finishing the silmarillion. While his family has added a ton of great lore, i like the OG origin better since canonically humans are far easier to corrupt than elves.
16:20 where is this scene from?
trolls of troy
@@bobtheguardian8961 thanks man
I was with it I was enjoying the video until you referenced rings of power that dumpster fire should be kept far away from anything Tolkien made
19:50 lolol...WTF what movie was this?
Troll Hunter or something. Its set up like some weirtd kind of Blair Witch documentary thingy set in Norway if I recall it right.
Goblins are better Than Trolls!
Quak
Only cave trolls turn to stone in sunlight.
Wrong.
Imagine having the internet and being wrong
@@Nob911 how am I wrong? When all the other kinds of trolls have been seen in the movies in daylight?
@@briandeluca4318 those were olog hai and not true trolls
@@Nob911 trolls were made as a insult to the ents, so tell me what is a true troll. Lol
The trolls
nalal xes
Did I just understand you to suggest that trolls perform the H E R E T I C A L process of _Daemonculaba?!_
O, yonder Inquisitorius.... If you might tend to a small matter, right over here, please....
😁
I don't think Legolas' arrow went through the trolls head and killed it, I'm pretty sure it was in the trolls throat to help suffocate it.
Just making stuff up about troll biology. Taking such liberties with Tolkiens work makes me think you work for Amazon.
Please, no RoP "lore". That show's a disgrace. Other than that, good video 👍.
I always figured since Orcs were twisted Elves, Trolls were twisted Dwarves (in some sort of irony).
Not the case. Trolls in Tolkien works were counterfeits meant to be a mockery of the ents. tree beard suspected this himself.
@@thegametroll6264 It's suspected by Tree Beard that they are in mockery of Ents, but he is the only on one that has offered that explanation. It may or may not be true. We simply don't have much information to go on. We know that orcs appeared "coincidentally" shortly after Elves being disappeared "shortly" after their awakening but we don't even get that degree of circumstantial evidence with the origin of Trolls. With all that being said, I kind of like the mystery. It's just another display of how utterly powerful Melkor was and how big Tolkien's universe is.
In O.G. Tolkiens writings orcs are twisted humans not elves. The orcs=elves part was something his son or grandson (cant remember which) added when finishing the silmarillion. While his family has added a ton of great lore, i like the OG origin better since canonically humans are far easier to corrupt than elves.
@@joeycampbell940 No....Elves are suspected by "The Wise" of being Elves IN THE CANON WORKS. Tolkien's son Christopher compiled a bunch of notes his father had jotted down for several other "possible" origin of orcs...none of which make sense if you are using any of his canon works as guides and all of which are also contradictory.
@@joeycampbell940 Again...the "O.G." version has Orcs appearing shortly after Melkor and his servants discovered the newly awakened Elves location and started abducting those who strayed to far from Cuvienien...Men didn't arrive until many thousands of years afterwords during the very first Sun rise, which explains perfectly why Orcs seem to remember things that happened thousands of years in the past that they otherwise would not have witnessed, their absolute hatred of anything "Elvish" and their allergen to Sunlight....also the idea that Elves are somehow less prone to corruption than men is dubious. The entire Silmirililon is based on the corruption of The Noldor via greed, pride, and envy.
Trolls in DND are different.
I knew it was gonna be iffy to watch this while eating, but I gotta turn this off at literal std bugs
Awesome video it is interested and awesome thanks for the video I Love it
A little repetitive, but well researched.
What About Goblins and Ogres?
Goblins are refered to as orcs in the Tolkien legendarium. Though if you wanted to be technical they are much smaller and dwell in caves in the mountains. We saw them in the hobbit trilogy when thorin and company were captured and brought to the goblin king. We saw ogres in the extended version of battle of the five armies when azhog called for the Dwarven war machines to be destroyed. You may have mistaken them for a troll of a sort but they were a tad on the shorter side of trolls. They wore nothing but a cloth around the waste and they used clubs to batter the Dwarven war machines into submission. Just a brief knowledge of Goblins and ogres that showed up in the films.
@@thegametroll6264 Oh So Goblins Are Refered To As Orcs
@@josephtanner4594 I believe the word goblin was used as a term to describe more "feral" orcs in the books but they became their own thing in the movies. They were much more diminutive than orcs and they tended to attack in swarms whenever they were seen in the movies. I'd like to think goblins are their own thing like orcs, trolls or ogres.
@@thegametroll6264 I Understand But Were There Any Mentions Of Orges In The J.R.R. Tolkien's Middle Earth? Because I Only Remember Them From Walt Disney's - The Adventure Of The Gummi Bears & Shrek.
@@josephtanner4594 if there were any mentions I will be honest I haven't read the books a lot. All I know is there are ogres in the battle of the five armies extended version.