Sneaky AoE2 farming hack for extra food
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- Опубліковано 30 вер 2024
- Here's a sneaky AoE2 farming hack to gather food a bit faster than you're supposed to. Whether or not it's worth the effort is up to you.
0:20 Farm work rate vs villager work rate
2:10 Breaking the farming speed limit
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Game: Age of Empires 2 Definitive Edition, with Forgotten Empires, African Kingdoms, Rise the Rajas, and Last Khans expansions
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more like micro the crop out of its farms 11
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The way AoE 2 handles farms seems so convoluted
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Hey guys, Spirit Of The Lawn here
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Brilliant
Thank you for my new display name!
I feel like this was implemented to make less optimal farms stronger.
That's actually quite logical. Good point.
Hot take: this was completely unintentional and was a result of a scrapped farm growth mechanic
My god, T90 had it right all along
I feel handcart's numerical tuning confirms that it was originally designed to do that but still ended slightly too strong so they reduced the original farm food growth rate
@@Tocaraca yeah wasn't crop rotation originally slated to do something with the farm grow rate?
What a great effort from the devs of definitive edition: even fixing old cheats!
I remember always using fish traps playing with aegis. Fish traps next to docks was amazing!
And the best part: the cheats are still free and not DLC.
@Emre Vural I see what you mean, but I don't give a darn when it comes to timed events though.
I feel like that might've been a handy side-effect just from general changes made, since there are now factors in the game that can alter the farm growth rate itself via the slav bonus. Though its kinda interesting either way that they kept that mechanic at all, so it must serve some purpose.
The new pro meta is farming micro management.
I mean, what else do you have to do early game?
@@rentabledwarf578 As is explained in the video, this doesn't make sense until handcart is researched, and by that time you don't really have the time to micro manage that much. Also, this requires a additional upfront investment of 60 wood.
Oh yeah because there isn't a lot to micro early game or anything...
@@azura8675 The optimal setup would probably not have two farms per villager anyway. More like having six villagers micro eight farms, or something. Dancing around the mill.
So you can garrison for 40s without any loss in food income This could be somewhat useful for late game raids
thats actually a good thought
Yea so if you get raided lategame and idle your farmers for 40 seconds, 15 minutes later it would be as if the raid had never happened.
Teuton tower defense, baby!
Maybe raiders should start destroying farms to counteract this
@@brijekavervix7340 finally, saracens archer bonus can works.
Secretly T90 is paying Spirit in the back to make videos about farming so he can justify his T90-farms.
Well played, but not well enough.
You are a true genius!
I almost feel physical pain when I see this terrible "Rise of Empires" add before a SOTL video
Yep,the trailer is a complete rip off of AOE 2 DE.
"this two-decade old game was very desirable on release" *shows age of empires on a beige CRT desktop, and a dvd case showing the age of kings chainmail king.
How can they even get away with this?
@@JNCressey well, the mobile game farmscape recently got successfully sued for wrongful advertisement. this should be done a lot more, then such practices would die off quickly
@@JNCressey because youtube cares more about advertisers than users&content creators
>using YT without adblock
>lul
Any sneaky hacks to make you do a video about tree hp?
Pros weaken trees with their T.C.
forget economy, micro, unit composition and map control...
this is the real meta
This is micro, helps your economy, and improves your unit comp by having it be less vills.
This farming saga keeps going deeper and deeper
There's a lot of data to cultivate there.
Still waiting for the anime crossover with fishing traps.
Next one is probably about if farm is viable ;D
it is going to come full circle and we will all find out T90’s farms are actually the most efficient by far.
It's now even its final form... You can build a farm with Khmer hunters instead of the mill and make each of them work on this farm for 0.1s to make them drop the food. I bet there's a lot more stuff like this.
The extreme AI should take advantage of this.
"competitive aoe2 farming"
I remember the weird AI from before HD would lay down a lot of farms in the beginning of the game and not use them for a while. Maybe that's the reason behind it.
New Meta- House walls around the Magic Square
Not for me. I do this all the time (with some 1 wall tile gapes for quick walling and logistics)
Spirit, say "hey" twice if T90 is holding you hostage.
Hey hey guys! Krusty the clown here.
@@poppingfreshjpofboyn5654
"hey" twice if T90 is holding you hostage.
Damn Spirit forgot about the most important situation where it matters: 256x tech mode.
Yes!! It is most apparent then. All your other resources are flowing in rapidly except food and those farmers never drop the food off - you gotta hit the town bell
@@Wannabepirate FISH.
The first Age of Empires also had a cap on farm work rate (even with the steroids cheat which has the same effect as aegis in AoE2) so presumably they lifted some of the code from the first game into the second and modified it from there or at least drew inspiration from it. So the rationale for a gathering cap might rest way back in the development of the first game when farms were solid structures. It makes me wonder if it's there to stop more than one villager collecting from a farm at once (multipe villagers can do this in AoE1 but the second villager gets virtually no food from it).
What about if a slav makes a farm and then another civ steals that farm? Does the slav's 10% extra growth speed stay or does it switch back to normality?
Nice question. I like these kind of thinking.
I guess it says "farmERs" are working faster, not the farms
This leads to the next question. Does the slave's 10% extra growth speed stay or does it switch back to normality when u steal a worker from the slaves? I guess it switches back but not sure
@@herbertvonmuesli4274 We need the answer to that question asap!
Imagine teamgames where one Slav player seeds the farms for his teammates. That might make a difference
@@hanskrautenbichler5352 The description says the farmers work faster, but the game data says that both farms and farmers work faster. Spirit even mentions that in this video.
"Competitive AoE2 farming" Yes, please. Oh, I'd also like to see people making the prettiest cities! Efficient ones aren't nearly as beautiful.
"Beat the farming speed limit".
Just read that aloud for a second.
*This Just In: Farmers Working Too Hard!*
"Farmers would produce just as much food if they took short breaks every once in a while", says Spirit of the Law.
Of the Law, a resident resource gathering rate expert, is well known for his previous work on lumber and mining camp (re)placement. Now he focuses on farming. According to his calculations, our imperial age farmers with handcarts are overworking their fields; taking more food than the farm ground can produce. This has no negative environmental effects, but..." READ MORE ON PAGE 4
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Still Loving this content
3:17 man, those windmills are going into overdrive, that must be the slav farming secret
I just realized that your 3 recent videos including this one started to have 60fps instead of the previous 30fps.
1:52 villagers tea bagging the dead farms
the villagers are tea bagging the farms to death
"MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA" - farming villager with Aegis on
SOOOoooooooo... It DOES teach us something (for the ultra-platinum-micro/macroers out there) !
It is less damaging to your economy to pull farmers out to build rather than other villagers ! Get on it people !
Now I need to know how many villagers can build each building in less than 38 seconds so I can use all of my farmers to take advantage of this slight bonus of free build time
This is actually huge
It still takes a pretty long time for the farmers to catch up and regain the resources that you've delayed. Still, I suppose it's better than outright losing resources.
To give a number to this, each 25 second house takes roughly 4 and a half minutes to catch up on food once finished.
already put this together from your other videos, i just didnt know the exact max food limit on farms. could be better, could be worse in both senses.
Sotl’s new video about farma brought me here because he forget about (his own created word:) “15 food basket”
So its better to first make the farms and then the mill? Interesting :)
you are hardly making any mills in the late game though
@@ark_knight you should though
@@ark_knight Are you laying 10 tc's or so in late game? You certainly need a bunch of mills when you need 80+ farmers
A hoe bunch of time must’ve gone into this video. Thanks, Spirit!
Boyars don’t even eat that much. They only cost 50 food. Slavs have farming bonus just to flex.
I always wonder why the aegis cheat wouldnt work with farms, 15 years later I got my answer. Thanks, SOTL
Please, Spirit, do a video on Small Farms Mod (2x2 instead of 3x3). You can take a look on Steam:
steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=956254302
Wouldn't this make Khmer farmers 3% slower than regular farmers? *Ponders*
You should make a compendium on the farm mechanism one day. Also, stuff like this could help conceptualise a buff to crop rotation: increase the stored food limit among others.
Please please pretty please don't skip the intro music. Put it baaaaaaaaaaaaaaack
Now I understand why AIs don't use every one of their farms. They've known about this from the very beginning.
T90 can learn someting 11
This answers my question on your previous video. Thank you, have a good evening.
They fixed this recently.
And that's how we reinvent Shifting Cultivation in AoE2.
I want "You have underestimated my gathering power" anime farm clip with Slavs farmer with Aegis code at 1:58
Aoe2 competitive farming let's go!
That is basically a real *crop rotation*
Hey Spirit Of The Law, Guys Here.
I always think that. Never have written.
Hi Spirit, I noticed you used the Super Smash Bros Melee announcer voice clip at 4:28. I was wondering if you've ever played a Super Smash Bros game or if you picked it because it sounded good. Cheers!
P.S. I want the AoE2 villager to join Super Smash Bros someday, bringing with it most of the game mechanics of AoE2.
Anyone else bored, kinda depressed(kind of), and still playing this game? Lol
Everything you said, except the playing this game part
@@Ganara426 I mean I wouldn’t say I’m depressed, just bored because I rejoined a gymnastics team and I’m kinda feeling like I got nothing to do still Idek I’m bored damn COVID
Spirit of the law is enjoying the simple things in life these days. Just farming and chilling.
Having an Expert+ AI that did tricks like this and didnt' care about human like behaviour could be interesting, just to see how well it would outperform the normal expert AI.
Gonna call you Spirit Of The Farm with all the recent videos xD
>Badly placed farms aren't a big problem
>Only works if your farm is placed ideally
build a house wall around ur farm with farmers to save time and get abundant collective food... THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!
Great content 👍. Hi Sprit Of The Law. can you test Inca farming also, I tested an editor with 31 Inca villagers with Whellbarrow and Heavy plow in Castle age. I run 15 minutes test (farm was not built at the start of the test, so villager had 2 Farm ressed cycle) and found almost 5% food increase in stock, With Inca after 15 min had 9730 F and with Magyar had 9222 F. so is Inca farming really as bad as though to be?
4:51 YOU READ MY COMMENT ON THE LAST VIDEO!
I mentioned that it's better to take a farmer to build something rather than a different resource worker.
And we these details we now know why the distance to drop off point affects the food collection by so little.
I think we might see a shift in very competitive play where you build a farm and then go make a building and back to farming. This is very good for khemer.
Other gamers: Overclocking CPU and GPU to get more Frames Per Second
AOE2 Players: Overclicking farms to get more Food Per Minute
Interesting. I always used farmers to build and shift clicked them back to their farms. I had no idea that was such a good move.
Kudos to Spirit for also giving kudos to earlier pioneers of the farm hack meta
UA-cam commercial before video : Stop deforestation to build farmland for mass-production.
Spirit: Breaking the mass-production record.
Hey Spirit, just a random comment for you... after this video UA-cam rolled automatically on Comment #6 you did in July 2019 and had the laugh of my life! I love your sense of humour and keep it up. Cheers!!!
When 4v4 co op becomes a regular thing, one team member will be solely dedicated to farm micro, one to overall macro, one to micro, and one to production.
Breaking News: AOE Developers have ordered a hit on Spirit of the law for defying the mechanics of the game
Reward: 10% Farming speed and 5% Cheaper Tech Every Age
Farmers has random movement patern + they are gathering from left side of the farm. I believe this was supposed to flatten the RNG aspect of farming. That was probably reason of this mechanic. But its value was set so it does not remove effect of T90 farm placement (probably cutting handcart by accident). Also nobody knew about Slavs being added into the game aprox 9000+ years later and having this completly randon bonus (farms were supposed to stabilize economy across the board but Slavs didnt get the memo)...
I think the most applicable way to implement this knowledge is based on what slothismysin shows at 5:29 : use farm vills to build houses, but one at a time e.g. grab farm vill, build one house, shift-task back to farm. So the micro time may not be worth it... which is especially applicable as this trick is only useful lategame given Saint_Michaels_ 's rates making it only useful if the farmer's gathering rate is >=24food/min.
If only 10 year old me knew that 20 years later I would still be obsessed about this game and to what extent one can take playing it.
There's one more thing... I've seen it during some Viper team game but I don't remember what exactly this hack was, it was something about taking allied farm... What was that? I wish I remembered. Also there's a thing with farms: khmers can take food from a deer and then start working on a farm for 1 sec instead of building a mill. You save 40 wood and a lot of work time as a farm is built in 2-3 secs. It would be awesome if you'd look for such mini perks and hacks and make one more farming video! Cheers
Is the work rate of the farm the reason why villagers walk around the farm every so often? It looks like they stop doing that with Aegis turned on
I think the 24 food/minute production rate was added, so it would act as a upper bound for the longterm. In the short term a building delay allows you get use out of the extra farming rate. But in the long term, it is capped at 24/minute.
And the 15 storage cap was added, to not make this switching around viable. If it was not there (or much higher) the technique could work - causing a potentially annoying gamestate.
This is peak AoE right here!
SotL has to make quiz time with Nili with the pros during the breaks in tournaments and the winner can get, lets say 50 bucks. The loser has to micro farms until he reaches 30 food/min ;)
Yo SotL: Can you make a video about comparing Hussars and Steppa Lancers and all other light cav like Keshik and Magyar Hussar?
So I should always use my farmers to build buildings next to my TC instead of taking villagers from my wood line?
I have been doing this wrong for 20 years.
Even if it worked, microing farms is the last thing I'd ever want to do. God, I hardly want to MACRO them.
does this mean for building you should send lots of farmers to build nearby buildings? It would reduce build time without long term drop in food production, whereas spending, say, 60 seconds using one villager to build would lose you some food. Also seems like if you have a villager queued for wood/gold/stone you could safely take a farmer off food early, and replace them with the new one if you have spare micro.
This might be worth it on post-imp 25 pop BF games where squeezing the absolute max out of your villagers is important and you don't really need to worry about raids.
Spirit Of The Law is farming videos?..
Now I wonder how that mechanic works regarding farms being taken over by another player. Incase people don't know, you can send villagers to work on a farm belonging to an enemy, which will turn the farm to your side.
So farms REGENERATE? Is that true, but seems to be only up to 15 food recovered...
So less optimal farms still work, and its best to build houses with farmers instead of lumberjacks? FUK YEA
let say a farm has 700 food. Villiger collects 24, and goes to the town center. You say the farm grows food? but that would mean it goes back to 700 in time. But it doesnt lol
So just give each farmer 3 farms to build and work on and periodically rotate between them, thus getting slightly more food in exchange for clicking on the farmer and reassigning him.
Oh lord, wherefore don't thee asketh dave the lumberjack to buildeth the next house, mine farming hands art did tire. Because spirit of the law, Jim
I think there is a better application for this: take builders off FARMS instead of wood/stone/gold once you have your food eco sorted, because the farms will store food while the building happens and you will lose less overall eco idle time than any other resource
Question:
Does this mean that you should just research wheelbarrow and Handcart and basically never get heavy plow? As it does nothing but help with wood costs?
Sneaky farms would to be Khmer and hide your farms in the far corners of the map
My feminist ass couldn't oversee the fact that it's a female farmer that makes the achievement in this vid. Thank you SOTL, you are such an inspiration for all the female farmers that aspire to make a difference, serve their civs and feed the hungry but always get overlooked.
so pretty much
instead of using woodcutters to build stuff, use farmers
If this was Starcraft Brood War, pros would be implementing this into their play tomorrow
Good thing Viper don't care about eco otherwise he would have microed to death. Hera and MBL; RIP
So, would this mean it is functionally best to use your farmers as your builders as often as possible since the building time wouldn't affect their final gather rate by as much as it would with other resources? If that's the case, knowledge of this mechanic could actually serve as a slight boost to overall economic effectiveness since you know which villagers lose you the least amount of resources when you pull them from a task to build things, right?
Do a Market hack video where you get extra gold by placing a second market (then delete) or however it is I know there are two "tricks" one active one passive. Due to length V width = more gold via route.
In other words, after Handcart, take farmers off of farms to build buildings.
While before, dont
Jesus, the new meta is going to have players building with their farmers and then clicking them back to their farms afterward.
I believe this feature was put in place to boost a farms output if its farther away from a collection point. But only for late game, since that's when handcart gives the boost that goes above the farms production cap. But also, this boost only works given a specific distance, because the farther away the farm is, the more time the farm has to cap.
New farm meta - calculating the exact optimal location to build houses in farm territory to maximize building time
So does this explain why Khmer farms are just better? Like we all knew the 'no travel time' was a sweet deal, but unless I've misinterpreted this video, it seems to me that this piece of trivia can also be taken as another win on the Khmer scoreboard?
I see that the T90 Farming research grant is paying off. Spirit.
So my takeaway from this is to try to always use farmer villagers to build houses or other quick buildings, and then maybe assigning a few more farmers than you need to compensate for the lost build time
Hopefully this will encourage people to pull from farms before other resources for adding buildings. Those vills are safer and hopefully close to the site already.