the non-existent "the" in "Ant's, beetles, earwigs, dragonflies, moths, butterflies and bees are all *the* types of insect" carrying the premise of the video like an ant carrying objects 100x their body weight
okay, when i saw the title and the thumbnail, i expected something like a mathmatical break down on mythical rares and their rarity. not a 28 min long semi rant about the insect creature type and what is and isnt a insect. with all due respect, and know that i mean this positivly. this is SPice8rack level of content / shit post. and i frankly dont mind.
There is a card named [Horseshoe Crab] that has the [Crab] creature type. Horseshoes Crabs are not crabs or even crustaceans; they are chelicerates, more closely related to arachnids like spiders, ticks, and scorpions.
@RedBobcatGames horseshoe crabs are amazing animals. Their blood is bright blue and completely unique in the animal kingdom. It is invaluable to the medical community and just one gallon is worth $60,000!
@@SwedeRacerDCThey are the only surviving members of the order Xiphosura and you can only trace back their commonalities to other animals in the animal kingdom species tree back to the phylum Arthropoda, which you can subdivide into Insects, Crustaceans, Arachnids, and Chelicerata (which horseshoe crabs are a part of). So they are only similar to those animals in that they are athropods and we can't get any more specific than that in our description. I don't think there is a creature type as generic as "arthropod." Maybe "bug" is the most applicable 🤔. Although, crustaceans are also arthropods, so that is why some people consider crustaceans to be "bugs of the sea," and mtg has creature types more specific than "bug" when it comes to crustaceans, for example, "crab." So we really don't have a good creature type for horseshoe crabs that also don't cause issues when describing other creatures, like crustaceans 😆. So we would probably have to come up with a new creature type called "limulidae" or something 😂
Yeah as an entomologist, I’m also very annoyed with the “insect” type encapsulating many non-insects. Why do spiders get a subtype, but all the non-insect arthropods are just slapped into insects?
Same, just call them all "bugs" and be done with it if we're not interested in the distinction. Bears and dogs are less distinct than mantids and beetles but oh well
Fun fact! Beetles are the largest family of insects, and have more species under it than any other animal! So beetles having the most cards makes the most sense!
@9:00 it's worse. Magic has MITE as a creature type and Haywire Mite is apparently an insect and not a Mite. They really should have updated it THE NEXT SET
Those big see-through expanded thoraxes on the ants are called "gasters" and are a real thing that ants have. Essentially it's a stomach the ant can fill up with liquids/food and operate as a moving refueling depot for the other ants.
This video was a joy to watch. This is the kind of meaningless overanalysis I crave. Also, I love how you choose to not shortcut the repetitiveness of "this x is an y. it's an insect" and actually say it out in full every time.
That educational website's point 7 is clearly not meant to be an exhaustive list. It says the types are "all types of insect" rather than "all of the types of insect".
@@yurisei6732 i'm not so sure, i think that said list was just a manner of exemplifying some types of insects, rather than cataloguing all existing types of insects. For what I can recall there are something up to 30 classes, formaly catalogued, of insects.Insects are the biggest group of all, belonging in the biggest phyle of animals, a small list like that would not be able to handle such vastitude.
COUNTERPOINT: Grist is just a Larva, and therefore should get the same pass that you gave to Coiling Woodworm on the matter of not having the correct number of legs. Also, those legs are most likely also Setae, not legs, as you discuss in the caterpillar section.
Counter-counterpoint. Grist is a liar and not a larva at all. Look at that second form. That's not one Grist, that's a bunch of insects in a trenchcoat!
@RedBobcatGames counter counter- counterpoint in both the ult art of grist the hungertide and in the comic we see grist and ya 3 legs 3 segments grist is an insect
@RedBobcatGames Grist remains a single larva through both forms, that second "form" is actually just Grist hanging out with (re: mind-controlling) all of his other bug-friends.
@RedBobcatGames Who is sitting through a half hour video for a lame punchline where you’re only taking the piss out of your own reading comprehension and lack of common sense? (You almost got me. You goddamned nerd.)
TheRedBobcat has been lying to us for hours! He claims to have reviewed all creatures with the insect type, but did not include universes beyond cards. As such we have no idea whether cards like The Wise Mothman or Vrestin, Menoptra Leader are insects!
Locusts are CLEARLY moths Also, fun fact, Jhoira's Toolbox is somewhat sentient and not only is full of tools, but also retrieves other tool that jhoira left across her workshop for her. It's very cute.
I goddamn love dragonflies and it’s such a shame there isn’t even ten in this million card game. Besides that, I love tribal decks so I need more vids like this thank you for it!
Magic the gathering insects be like: Regular insects Cardfight Vanguards insects meanwhile: Are an organized Mafia crime family originally with a Matriarch which, for some reason, split up into a severely regressed crime-family and the freakin entire CLERGY of the world the creatures and characters of this TCG inhabit after the lore made a 3000 year time jump. I love how wacky some TCGs can be sometimes with their concepts.
They also said they'd never reprint Shock Lands when Return to Ravnica was released, but stuffed them into packs of Dragon's Maze (later that same block) and reprinted them again later. And let's not forget that time where they said UB would never be Standard-legal.
This is not all the cards printed with the insect creature type btw. I know at least 5 more but they might have been excluded for reason beyond our universe.
I'm going to argue that Grisk could be an insect, specifically a caterpillar. Caterpillars have psuedo legs called prolegs and the extra legs Grisk has could easily be those. Edit: I see you discovered prolegs letter. Regardless, I move that Grisk is a caterpillar.
In the name they call grist a larvae, so I think they could be a beetle. Beetle larvae usually have chitinous head and it looks like grist has that as well
I wanted to speak up for Twigwalker, but I don't use even use mine. That last insect, the detective, it had 6 limbs! I think that means it's technically a pass.
Every time you said "insect that happens to be an artifact" I kept wondering what you could mean, but judging by your condemnation of Krenko's Buzzcutter, I gather you are positing that a fully organic mommy beetle and daddy beetle somehow hatched a baby that was a fully functional toolbox with robotic legs.
Like I guess. Or perhaps some sort of non-carbon based organism? WotC don't exactly care to explain either, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt where I could
I had to stop the video pretty early as I was losing my mind with these groupings, but reading the comments, I'm glad I wasn't the only one LOL I appreciate the work you tried to do, however. My main issue with the insect creature type isn't the use of non-insects, personally, it's the NOT use of all non-insect bugs. Errata all Spiders and Scorpions to Insect please!!
@PhoenicopterusR I feel like the reason we don't have it as Bug Creature Type is because it may be a patenting issue? Something like... using the term 'Bug' to attribute a type as a mechanic for a tabletop or video game. Though tbh it could just be that the word was avoided as it sounded to simplistic or maybe childish. Arthropod is too generic and includes things like crabs and shrimp, also, so I think... unless they're merging those too, it wouldn't make much sense to change the name to a broader spectrum. Since Insect already exists, and includes even myriapoda, it might just be easier to merge Spiders and Scorpions into the insect typing, rather than make a new one. I play Insect tribal and there's so many cool Spider cards I wanna play. Living Hive was changed from Elemental to Elemental Insect so idk why they can't just... change the name of a creature type that already has a lot of mixed support though...
@HanayomeK my thought on it would be at least if they can group land faring arthropods together, it's should be distinct enough from the water arthropods that no one's really going to argue that much. The issue ultimately comes down to the fact that it's actually just wrong, it's like making a fox card and giving it the cat type when foxes are actually grouped in with dogs. Better yet, why not just separate the arthropods into their proper groups (insect, arachnid, myriapode, crab, lobster), then use arthropod as a batching term, á la Historic? That would make for better visual design and allow some design space for synergistic abilities and spells. Otherwise, if they're going to make non-insect arthropods insects, then they can make crabs and lobsters (homarids by association, too) into insects without issue.
@RedBobcatGames I think the insect categorization is getting to you Mr Red Bobcat, you should sit down for a second. Now tell me, am I holding up 6 legs or 8?
I am Shocked and Appalled that many of the Fallout set insects were not included in this list. The Wise Mothman is disappointed at being left off the table.
This video is really the highlight of my day. It's insane how this video is engaging even though it should be boring. Well done. One point of critique: The caterpillars and stuff that you signed off on actually didn't have the three pairs of rudimentary legs that are supposed to be attached to the abdomen. I think most of those actually should not count. Pretty sure the token of the clothed insect with the horse only had 4 limbs too.
You may very well be correct about the caterpillars, I found it hard to judge at times. Though that bee person I think is Xira's kid, so I'm willing to let that one slide
To me, Spinal Parasite looks like it could be a wingless wasp. There are parasitic wasps with large stingers like that, and a few species of wingless wasps, so I’d put it there. Also fireflies are beetles.
2:27 This one is actually Chinese! You probably found it on Scryfall, and it actually shows that it's Simplified Chinese there. Most cards under the "regional variant" art tag were alt-art censorship versions specifically for Mainland China from 5th to 8th edition, purely because of a old longtime rumor which went "morbid graphics (skeleton, gore, body horror, etc.) would 100% gets a game banned". For example, World of Warcraft had to replace ALL in-game BONES ON THE GROUND with placeholder cubes. 😂 While the truth is that there have been precisely zero laws/regulations about this. It's at best a rumor of some high official's personal opinion. But one rumor from the "high castle" alone was enough to deter everyone nationwide for a decade, because boy, who would have believed that a well-oiled communist society could be corrupted to the max??
As a bugologist, a lot of these criteria and comments hit me like a rock and I could never accurately predict where the frain of logic was going so..great job? Lol
True, but I think by looking Grist is a Larva only in the sense that the next stage of life for Grist is being the head of a swarm. I may be wrong, but those look like centipedes to me
These days we tend to prefer taxonomy based on evolutionary relationship, so things that convergently evolve to look and behave like insects wouldn't class as insects. Thus there can only be "insects" on one plane, unless there has been an insect planeswalker spreading insects to other worlds. Those mantis ants could theoretically be insects if the mantis arm things weren't legs. For example, if they're mandibles that have evolved articulation. According to The School, wasps would actually be ants, not bees - ants are more closely related. Bond Beetle appears to have two heads, so can't be an insect. Brain Weevil looks to have 8 legs? There's a bee amongst the tokens that appears to bee a man in a costume.
Oh my god! I didn't even see that second head on Bond Beetle! Plus I can't believe I missed that weevil. You're right! Though I think that bee is just Xira's kid, which I guess makes it count?
I love your pronunciation of Chitinous. Perfect! I think of Skyrim and those giant bug creatures from the Dwarven Mines and such. Those things also have a Chitinous shell based on what you can harvest from them.
@RedBobcatGames This is one of those words that I really don't care about if people get it right. I am not 100% sure, but I think there are a couple acceptable pronunciations and one may be more US based and the other more based on the Queen's English. I would easily accept that the first syllable sounds like Chit as in chit chat or Chitty Chitty bang bang. Or the Ch could sound more like a K and that first syllable sound more like Kite. I'm a pronunciation nerd, and I like when people either at least give it an honest try with an educated guess and maintain consistency or when they intentionally and sarcastically joke about it. When people just know it's hard and say something very off is where it starts to be a pet peeve lol. Like when people say Chip-Pull-Tay for Chipotle... But for this word, you could've said Charizard or Cinnabon or made a joke about how you think these are the weird dessert things that taco bell sells...(Cinna Twists or something like that). It gave me a good laugh to hear your approach of starting to sound it out and being like, nah that's a death sentence
can I be mean and point out comedically how you mispoke Skyclave as Skayclave that one time, or is it better to give it a pass since it happened 1 minute and 40 seconds in of a continuous segment
Also caterpillars have way more than 6 legs (most of them don't really count as true legs) but do count because they are the larval form of butterflies which do only have 6 legs, so larval grist can still count as long as true grist fits
4:05 No, they don't say that. Ants, beetles, earwigs, dragonflies, butterflies and bees are insect types. There was no mention that these are all of the insect types that exist, just that they are insect types. And I though yugioh players are bad at reading comprehension. Fun fact: moths ARE butterflies.
So the full art, I think only 6 cos that one of the right is for the otherside. And the non-full art is also 6, it's just the back legs are way long... I think
Chitinous means having a shell of chitin, much like if we were define as boneus for having a skeleton made of bone or keratinous for having a skin made of keratinized cells :3
I like how you use a strange website as the all encompassing definition of insect categories. Seriously, I appreciate the sarcasm. I will say that Devouring swarm appears to be a beetle, and not an ant. Locusts are like Grasshoppers, but was that one of the categories? I don't remember. If not, it should have been. But mostly, I agree with your approach to categorize these and exoose the lies of WotC
I make Entomology videos, including one about Magic. Feeling clapped right now. Oh well, good video!
"Myrmarachne"? Okay, this comment is getting pinned. ua-cam.com/video/M7gLOeg8R7s/v-deo.html
@RedBobcatGames This meant a lot, thank you. A Hoenn video is coming out after I finish a project for the Janklords.
the non-existent "the" in "Ant's, beetles, earwigs, dragonflies, moths, butterflies and bees are all *the* types of insect" carrying the premise of the video like an ant carrying objects 100x their body weight
oh shit I just predicted the joke, jettison to space for me it is...
I saw this comment but waited before I replied haha
as soon as I heard the "THE" I immediately came to check the comments and was not disappointed.
okay, when i saw the title and the thumbnail, i expected something like a mathmatical break down on mythical rares and their rarity. not a 28 min long semi rant about the insect creature type and what is and isnt a insect. with all due respect, and know that i mean this positivly. this is SPice8rack level of content / shit post. and i frankly dont mind.
That's the best compliment I've been paid this year
Don't insult Bobcat by comparing him to that spicerack guy. Easily my least favorite Magic content creator
Nah Spice8rack is great same as bobcat. @EbonAvatar
@RedBobcatGames you're welcome.
@RedBobcatGames it's still early 😂
Just wait 'til Bobcat finds out about Beasts
DON'T MAKE ME DO ANOTHER VIDEO!!
A Beast in Magic? Easy! Just add MOAR tusks, teeth, limbs and claws in the time-honored fashion of WH 40K Orkks.
@RedBobcatGamesI want another one
@@MrCenturion13 That's a nice premise, now show me the line between beasts and horrors...
There is a card named [Horseshoe Crab] that has the [Crab] creature type. Horseshoes Crabs are not crabs or even crustaceans; they are chelicerates, more closely related to arachnids like spiders, ticks, and scorpions.
...this comment is now going to live in my brain
So technically, it should have the Spider type? Maybe they should've just called it "Bug" type. Pest creature type. Simplify it for us and them.
@RedBobcatGames horseshoe crabs are amazing animals. Their blood is bright blue and completely unique in the animal kingdom. It is invaluable to the medical community and just one gallon is worth $60,000!
@@SwedeRacerDCThey are the only surviving members of the order Xiphosura and you can only trace back their commonalities to other animals in the animal kingdom species tree back to the phylum Arthropoda, which you can subdivide into Insects, Crustaceans, Arachnids, and Chelicerata (which horseshoe crabs are a part of). So they are only similar to those animals in that they are athropods and we can't get any more specific than that in our description.
I don't think there is a creature type as generic as "arthropod." Maybe "bug" is the most applicable 🤔. Although, crustaceans are also arthropods, so that is why some people consider crustaceans to be "bugs of the sea," and mtg has creature types more specific than "bug" when it comes to crustaceans, for example, "crab." So we really don't have a good creature type for horseshoe crabs that also don't cause issues when describing other creatures, like crustaceans 😆. So we would probably have to come up with a new creature type called "limulidae" or something 😂
Pest exists!
Yeah as an entomologist, I’m also very annoyed with the “insect” type encapsulating many non-insects. Why do spiders get a subtype, but all the non-insect arthropods are just slapped into insects?
I'm right there with you!
"Everything that's not a spider or an insect is a crab or a squid or a worm"
Bugs, simplified.
Same, just call them all "bugs" and be done with it if we're not interested in the distinction. Bears and dogs are less distinct than mantids and beetles but oh well
@@indan The further away from us they are, the more they look the same.
Now this is the hard hitting investigative journalism I signed up for.
You're welcome!
Fun fact!
Beetles are the largest family of insects, and have more species under it than any other animal! So beetles having the most cards makes the most sense!
That is a fun fact! Thank you for sharing, I feel better about it now
Order*
@9:00 it's worse. Magic has MITE as a creature type and Haywire Mite is apparently an insect and not a Mite. They really should have updated it THE NEXT SET
Oh man, I didn't even think about that
They mite do it later
@@TransformersBoss Ba Dum Tiss
I will persist to this day that if Cephalids are Octopuses and Rakshasa are Cats then Merfolk are Fish and Humans are Apes
They did Viashino dirty honestly
Those big see-through expanded thoraxes on the ants are called "gasters" and are a real thing that ants have. Essentially it's a stomach the ant can fill up with liquids/food and operate as a moving refueling depot for the other ants.
Okay, this might be my favourite comment of all time
As somebody who loves insects, the beginning of this video was _painful_ but it ended up being a pretty good bit!
Thank you, I do try
This video was a joy to watch.
This is the kind of meaningless overanalysis I crave.
Also, I love how you choose to not shortcut the repetitiveness of "this x is an y. it's an insect" and actually say it out in full every time.
I feel like it adds to it haha
That educational website's point 7 is clearly not meant to be an exhaustive list. It says the types are "all types of insect" rather than "all of the types of insect".
I was about to write the same, but I'm not an english native so I'd rather just STFU regarding those idiomatic details
But if there were more types of insect, surely they would have listed those too, therefore there must be no others.
Yeah, I'm not sure how much faith I should have put into that website honestly
@@yurisei6732 i'm not so sure, i think that said list was just a manner of exemplifying some types of insects, rather than cataloguing all existing types of insects. For what I can recall there are something up to 30 classes, formaly catalogued, of insects.Insects are the biggest group of all, belonging in the biggest phyle of animals, a small list like that would not be able to handle such vastitude.
"Bugs, dogs and humans are all mortal." does not mean that all mortals are one of those. Didn't we solve these things back in ancient Greece?
COUNTERPOINT: Grist is just a Larva, and therefore should get the same pass that you gave to Coiling Woodworm on the matter of not having the correct number of legs. Also, those legs are most likely also Setae, not legs, as you discuss in the caterpillar section.
Counter-counterpoint. Grist is a liar and not a larva at all. Look at that second form. That's not one Grist, that's a bunch of insects in a trenchcoat!
@RedBobcatGames counter counter- counterpoint in both the ult art of grist the hungertide and in the comic we see grist and ya 3 legs 3 segments grist is an insect
@RedBobcatGames Wait, but are they insects or are they not? We don't have an identification on these creatures that make up the full form of Grist
@RedBobcatGames Grist remains a single larva through both forms, that second "form" is actually just Grist hanging out with (re: mind-controlling) all of his other bug-friends.
Lmao at everyone who commented about the missing word "THE" in the classifications before reaching the end of the video
I'm sort of waiting for people to finish before I reply
@RedBobcatGames Who is sitting through a half hour video for a lame punchline where you’re only taking the piss out of your own reading comprehension and lack of common sense?
(You almost got me. You goddamned nerd.)
Well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
Literally! That's very good!
Valgavoth also looks like a moth and creates moths but is just categorized as an elder demon
26:43 idk man that looks like 6 limbs to me
Yeah, I honestly don't get some of these. I'd have said that makes more sense too
Yeah I find he deserves insect status too!
It's just an evil dude in a moth suit
TheRedBobcat has been lying to us for hours! He claims to have reviewed all creatures with the insect type, but did not include universes beyond cards. As such we have no idea whether cards like The Wise Mothman or Vrestin, Menoptra Leader are insects!
Hey, if WotC do Universes Within versions I'll come back
"I'm not an insectologist"
The correct term for this is Entomologist my good sir. Fun video
Thank you, and thank you for letting me know
r/Wooosh
Locusts are CLEARLY moths
Also, fun fact, Jhoira's Toolbox is somewhat sentient and not only is full of tools, but also retrieves other tool that jhoira left across her workshop for her. It's very cute.
That is a fun fact!
I goddamn love dragonflies and it’s such a shame there isn’t even ten in this million card game. Besides that, I love tribal decks so I need more vids like this thank you for it!
You're welcome!
Magic the gathering insects be like: Regular insects
Cardfight Vanguards insects meanwhile: Are an organized Mafia crime family originally with a Matriarch which, for some reason, split up into a severely regressed crime-family and the freakin entire CLERGY of the world the creatures and characters of this TCG inhabit after the lore made a 3000 year time jump.
I love how wacky some TCGs can be sometimes with their concepts.
It's fun to take a serious eye to this sort of thing occasionally for that exact reason
Now this is the negative content I crave .
You're welcome!
They also said they'd never reprint Shock Lands when Return to Ravnica was released, but stuffed them into packs of Dragon's Maze (later that same block) and reprinted them again later.
And let's not forget that time where they said UB would never be Standard-legal.
This is not all the cards printed with the insect creature type btw. I know at least 5 more but they might have been excluded for reason beyond our universe.
Yeah, I didn't want to cover things that might be a design choice of another company. Like, WotC are to blame for whatever's going on with Mothman
For the life of me I can't name a single insect creature. Never know there was ants.
There's nearly 300 of them too!
I'm going to argue that Grisk could be an insect, specifically a caterpillar. Caterpillars have psuedo legs called prolegs and the extra legs Grisk has could easily be those.
Edit: I see you discovered prolegs letter. Regardless, I move that Grisk is a caterpillar.
I dunno. They look too centipedey to me. Plus, if those are prolegs then I can't see any real legs
In the name they call grist a larvae, so I think they could be a beetle. Beetle larvae usually have chitinous head and it looks like grist has that as well
22:58 wait a minute, that's not a bee........... Is Bobcat lying to us?
See, I think that's Xira's kid. So I guess counts?
22:56 That "bee" seems to have only 4 limbs and no stinger, so I wouldn't count it as an insect.
Yeah, but I think it's Xira's kid, so I'm willing to give it the benefit of the doubt
@RedBobcatGames someone doesn't want on Xira's bad side this is definitely a hill worth dying on
"They've been LYING to us for YEARS!"
Wait, I was supposed to make positive videos...
"and I can PROVE IT"
Haha, yup!
whoa whoa whoa.. skittering cicada not being grouped with locusts... grasshopper is it's own brand on the tree.
Taking a step back from the mess I made, honestly I think we're lucky I didn't group them with bees
Now I have the urge of making a commander deck with only misclassified creatures...
Oh, who would be the commander though?
@RedBobcatGames I got it! Horde of notions... Look at those freaks, there's no way any of them get classified correctly XD
As someone who studies biology and has for many years, but also loves bugs in all forms, I feel SO seen by this video
Then you're welcome!
To be fair, the last one does has 6 limbs...
But only one body segment
Yeah, upon reflection I actually did quite a bad job haha
bro casually snapped and dropped a WWF-level powerpoint
Normally when I snap it doesn't feel casual haha
This is the absolute definition of committing to the Bit, and I 100% approve.
Thank you, thank you
I wanted to speak up for Twigwalker, but I don't use even use mine.
That last insect, the detective, it had 6 limbs! I think that means it's technically a pass.
Only one body part though, but I could be swayed either way
Every time you said "insect that happens to be an artifact" I kept wondering what you could mean, but judging by your condemnation of Krenko's Buzzcutter, I gather you are positing that a fully organic mommy beetle and daddy beetle somehow hatched a baby that was a fully functional toolbox with robotic legs.
Like I guess. Or perhaps some sort of non-carbon based organism? WotC don't exactly care to explain either, but I wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt where I could
God I love this video
Thank you, thank you
I had to stop the video pretty early as I was losing my mind with these groupings, but reading the comments, I'm glad I wasn't the only one LOL
I appreciate the work you tried to do, however.
My main issue with the insect creature type isn't the use of non-insects, personally, it's the NOT use of all non-insect bugs. Errata all Spiders and Scorpions to Insect please!!
Yeah that's fair. A lot of my videos will do that to you
Errata all arthropods to either arthropods or bugs, at least then the categorizations make sense colloquially.
@PhoenicopterusR I feel like the reason we don't have it as Bug Creature Type is because it may be a patenting issue? Something like... using the term 'Bug' to attribute a type as a mechanic for a tabletop or video game. Though tbh it could just be that the word was avoided as it sounded to simplistic or maybe childish. Arthropod is too generic and includes things like crabs and shrimp, also, so I think... unless they're merging those too, it wouldn't make much sense to change the name to a broader spectrum. Since Insect already exists, and includes even myriapoda, it might just be easier to merge Spiders and Scorpions into the insect typing, rather than make a new one.
I play Insect tribal and there's so many cool Spider cards I wanna play. Living Hive was changed from Elemental to Elemental Insect so idk why they can't just... change the name of a creature type that already has a lot of mixed support though...
@HanayomeK my thought on it would be at least if they can group land faring arthropods together, it's should be distinct enough from the water arthropods that no one's really going to argue that much. The issue ultimately comes down to the fact that it's actually just wrong, it's like making a fox card and giving it the cat type when foxes are actually grouped in with dogs. Better yet, why not just separate the arthropods into their proper groups (insect, arachnid, myriapode, crab, lobster), then use arthropod as a batching term, á la Historic? That would make for better visual design and allow some design space for synergistic abilities and spells. Otherwise, if they're going to make non-insect arthropods insects, then they can make crabs and lobsters (homarids by association, too) into insects without issue.
I smell a class action lawsuit for their dishonesty
Get Legal Eagle on it!
21:55 fun fact, some mosquitoes are also pollinators
THEY ARE BEES!
The female mosquitoes ones drink blood to make babies . Yes, our blood. Moths and butterflys also pollinate.
@RedBobcatGamesWasps are just fly ants. Spiders are not insects.
This is a beautiful monument to horrifying entomology
And one I'm very proud of
This was so much better than I expected from the thumbnail
Well thank you very much, glad you enjoyed
In the defense of beetles being categorized the average sapient organism is a beetle. Theres a LOT of beetles
And Ringo is the best of them
Are we gonna pretend, that Brain Weevil don't have 8 legs ?!
I'd like it if we could personally
I love getting ragebaited into a biology lesson
You're welcome!
It's the best way honestly
@RedBobcatGames I agree lol it was a pleasant surprise
My god...he did it, the absolute mad man actually broke down the creature type issues using arthropod math.
That's MR Red Bobcat to you!
Oh wait, you didn't say my name. Nevermind then, and thank you!
@RedBobcatGames I think the insect categorization is getting to you Mr Red Bobcat, you should sit down for a second. Now tell me, am I holding up 6 legs or 8?
The temptation to infodump my bug knowledge is strong, but I know it's not in the spirit of the videos bit, so I must refrain
If you did I'd have no right to complain after this
This was infuriating and absolutely genius!
That's basically what I aim for every video i think
Chitin is a word I had read a whole bunch before learning how to pronounce. I had, of course, been pronouncing it wrong in my head for years. :)
I'm in the exact same position!
Isn't Grist in their larval stage in the Voracious Larva cards? Perhaps they have prolegs.
Maybe, but I don't think grist actually changes. Just like, becomes part of a swarm. Plus, if those are prolegs then I can't see any real ones
Finally. This is the video I’ve ANTicipated most from you.
Very good, I'm glad to BEE of service
I am Shocked and Appalled that many of the Fallout set insects were not included in this list. The Wise Mothman is disappointed at being left off the table.
I skipped all Universe Beyond cards, because I couldn't be sure if WotC would be to blame if they're wrong or not
@ understandable, this is after all a video about their mistakes not those of other companies
I would argue that Giant Caterpillar is not an insect bc it appears to only have 4 legs
Maybe those things coming out of its mouth are legs?
This video is really the highlight of my day. It's insane how this video is engaging even though it should be boring. Well done.
One point of critique: The caterpillars and stuff that you signed off on actually didn't have the three pairs of rudimentary legs that are supposed to be attached to the abdomen. I think most of those actually should not count.
Pretty sure the token of the clothed insect with the horse only had 4 limbs too.
You may very well be correct about the caterpillars, I found it hard to judge at times. Though that bee person I think is Xira's kid, so I'm willing to let that one slide
@RedBobcatGames fair enough :D
I don't know what I was expecting with that video title, but I am SO glad it was this ❤
That's what I like to see. You were my target audience here! Thank you for commenting
Bee token at 22:57 only has four limbs (I think). Should not be an insect.
I dunno. I think it's Xira's kid, so I'm counting it
To me, Spinal Parasite looks like it could be a wingless wasp. There are parasitic wasps with large stingers like that, and a few species of wingless wasps, so I’d put it there. Also fireflies are beetles.
That tracks about fireflies honestly
2:27 This one is actually Chinese! You probably found it on Scryfall, and it actually shows that it's Simplified Chinese there. Most cards under the "regional variant" art tag were alt-art censorship versions specifically for Mainland China from 5th to 8th edition, purely because of a old longtime rumor which went "morbid graphics (skeleton, gore, body horror, etc.) would 100% gets a game banned". For example, World of Warcraft had to replace ALL in-game BONES ON THE GROUND with placeholder cubes. 😂 While the truth is that there have been precisely zero laws/regulations about this. It's at best a rumor of some high official's personal opinion. But one rumor from the "high castle" alone was enough to deter everyone nationwide for a decade, because boy, who would have believed that a well-oiled communist society could be corrupted to the max??
Oh that's interesting. I had heard that rumour before about Warcraft and stuff. Never imagined it would apply to magic cards too
I wanted to comment the second he called it Japanese. (engagement baited language nerds successfully, lol)
As a bugologist, a lot of these criteria and comments hit me like a rock and I could never accurately predict where the frain of logic was going so..great job? Lol
You are welcome I think!
You can tell locusts are actually mammals by their human faces.
This has conjured some real nightmare images for me. Thank you
Isn't a Larva just a baby form of an insect? I think it's fine to make Grist an insect.
True, but I think by looking Grist is a Larva only in the sense that the next stage of life for Grist is being the head of a swarm. I may be wrong, but those look like centipedes to me
"Are all types of insects" not "are all the types of insects"
Oh wait, it's a bit
A bit? On my channel? I'd never stoop so low!
Is Grist not a catterpillar, therefore a butterfly, therefore an insect? Her prolegs might just be spiky.
Well my issue there is I don't see any non-prolegs. But, I'm happy to be wrong about it
These days we tend to prefer taxonomy based on evolutionary relationship, so things that convergently evolve to look and behave like insects wouldn't class as insects. Thus there can only be "insects" on one plane, unless there has been an insect planeswalker spreading insects to other worlds.
Those mantis ants could theoretically be insects if the mantis arm things weren't legs. For example, if they're mandibles that have evolved articulation.
According to The School, wasps would actually be ants, not bees - ants are more closely related.
Bond Beetle appears to have two heads, so can't be an insect.
Brain Weevil looks to have 8 legs?
There's a bee amongst the tokens that appears to bee a man in a costume.
Oh my god! I didn't even see that second head on Bond Beetle! Plus I can't believe I missed that weevil. You're right! Though I think that bee is just Xira's kid, which I guess makes it count?
It would actually be a bit more accurate to say that ants and bees are types of wasps.
@@masalanicholoff3593 True, but wasps aren't a valid category according to The School.
THEY CAN’T KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
It's shocking really. Enough is enough!
Well, technically they are all fish
I'm ready to hear this out...
No California law accepts this
No, you’re thinking of beavers.
@@masalanicholoff3593 California law classifies bees as seafood
@@wgault98 I know, I was making a joke about how the Catholic church classifies beaver and other aquatic mammals as fish and not meat.
How are you putting Beetleform Mage into the Moth category and not Beetle?
Because... half human... like... the one based on the fly?
@RedBobcatGames I’m outraged! Still not an Insect
I love your pronunciation of Chitinous. Perfect! I think of Skyrim and those giant bug creatures from the Dwarven Mines and such. Those things also have a Chitinous shell based on what you can harvest from them.
Saying that word has been tripping me up in games like that for a LONG time
@RedBobcatGames This is one of those words that I really don't care about if people get it right. I am not 100% sure, but I think there are a couple acceptable pronunciations and one may be more US based and the other more based on the Queen's English. I would easily accept that the first syllable sounds like Chit as in chit chat or Chitty Chitty bang bang. Or the Ch could sound more like a K and that first syllable sound more like Kite. I'm a pronunciation nerd, and I like when people either at least give it an honest try with an educated guess and maintain consistency or when they intentionally and sarcastically joke about it. When people just know it's hard and say something very off is where it starts to be a pet peeve lol. Like when people say Chip-Pull-Tay for Chipotle... But for this word, you could've said Charizard or Cinnabon or made a joke about how you think these are the weird dessert things that taco bell sells...(Cinna Twists or something like that). It gave me a good laugh to hear your approach of starting to sound it out and being like, nah that's a death sentence
I might start using Charizard as a stand in now haha
What do they mean short in supply? They can print all the cards they want
Very true!
can I be mean and point out comedically how you mispoke Skyclave as Skayclave that one time, or is it better to give it a pass since it happened 1 minute and 40 seconds in of a continuous segment
Haha, nah go for it
Checked the comments and haven't seen anyone mention this.
Fireflies are beatles. They have little hard shells.
I love reading my comments sometimes. This is one of those times
bro just continues to be the mtg CC goat. I dunno why but I enjoy your stuff way more than any1 else
That's really kind, nice to hear. Thank you
You're that one guy with the tatoo that says "shrimp is bug" aren't you?
My legs are hairier
Ace video, which I will also be bookmarking as an example of semantic satiation.
You're welcome?
@RedBobcatGames It's a great video! The Tokens section just goes particularly hard!
Ow you got me there, dude; I thought you'd be talking about the Reserved List.
Oh man, don't even get me started
you misclasified the black flying humanlike insect token, it may be a bee but no 6 limbs !
I think that's Xira's kid, so I'm letting it slide
So, when do we get the birds redemption video where every bird is truly a bird and you can prove it?
I honestly have no idea haha. Let it stew in my brain for a bit
Now that's the MTG investigation worth my time.
You are welcome!
Excellent clickbait, I respect it
Thank you, thank you
Technically not clickbait I've been raging about creature types since I got in this game. In my eyes this is valid and I need more of it
Technically correct. The best kind of correct
Not in today's video: reading comprehension
Not in most honestly lol
Some insects have pseudopods, which look like extra legs but don't count. Idk if thats relevant.
Is that different from prolegs? Cos I do talk about that in the vid
Yay caterpillars!
😂 I watched the whole video to the end and got it!!!
Very clever and funny!!!
Well done @redbobcat!
Thank you
The inability of most people to pronounce anything beyond 3rd grade words is astonishing to me. There's even a card called Chitinous Cloak!
Why would someone make a clock out of that?
I'm pretty sure the school run was saying they were all examples of insects not that all insects were one of those examples.
Also caterpillars have way more than 6 legs (most of them don't really count as true legs) but do count because they are the larval form of butterflies which do only have 6 legs, so larval grist can still count as long as true grist fits
lol, just got to the end, ignore everything above, except the grist disagreement
Haha, fair. Though I'm still not sold on Grist
I've learned so much today about insects
You're welcome!
Would have been funnier if you just linked to the homepage of Wikipedia
I'm far too serious a person for such shenanigans
What do you have against centipedes, milapedes, rollie pullies?
They're liars too. Millipedes don't have a million legs!
Brain Weevil has 8 legs! The Horror!
Yeah, I did miss that one
This is the controversy I live for
Then you're welcome!
I clicked for a hot take against wotc and instead encountered an entomology lesson.
You're welcome?
4:05 No, they don't say that. Ants, beetles, earwigs, dragonflies, butterflies and bees are insect types. There was no mention that these are all of the insect types that exist, just that they are insect types. And I though yugioh players are bad at reading comprehension.
Fun fact: moths ARE butterflies.
That is a fun fact!
So wait... what is Jeff Goldblum then?
A Moth
He’s The Fly!
I count eight legs for luminous broodmoth
Giant caterpillar only has four legs
So the full art, I think only 6 cos that one of the right is for the otherside. And the non-full art is also 6, it's just the back legs are way long... I think
@RedBobcatGames no, look at the one on the left. Each side has four
I clicked on the title fully expecting another "man yelling at clouds" rant, really excited. Kinda disappointed but this was nice too
Oh I've got plenty of those in me too I suspect
Chitinous means having a shell of chitin, much like if we were define as boneus for having a skeleton made of bone or keratinous for having a skin made of keratinized cells :3
Meaning the artifact ants would not count with the Wikipedia definition, but that point of contention has long standed in the field of entomology
I've never heard the word "boneus" before. I may now use it every day
How the heck do counterspells work in fifo?
I used to know the answer to this
I like how you use a strange website as the all encompassing definition of insect categories. Seriously, I appreciate the sarcasm. I will say that Devouring swarm appears to be a beetle, and not an ant. Locusts are like Grasshoppers, but was that one of the categories? I don't remember. If not, it should have been. But mostly, I agree with your approach to categorize these and exoose the lies of WotC
Thank you!