The Black Fleet was actually in a lot of TOS novels in the 80s that came out before TNG aired. I think The Wounded Sky from 1983 had a reference during a Klingon ambush, but The Final Reflection in 1984 was the basis for it all.
"I just feel so flattered, because the cosplayers really make sure every details is there. I don't think I've ever cosplayed a character before, but if I were to, I'd probably go as a Klingon from 'Star Trek." -- Karen Gillan
I remember reading a Star Trek novel years ago about Kirk’s first mission with the Enterprise written by Vonda McIntyre called Enterprise: The First Adventure. There, the crew met some Klingons who were among the first to discover Shakespeare at a stage performance.
I just turned 55 i been watching Star Trek since I was 6 I was 11 when Star Trek the motion picture came out. I was so shocked by the way the Klingons look I mean they look scary. I believe me as someone who was in Starfleet the international Star Trek fan club. Oh it was always a hotly debated subject. That's why when I saw the change they made to the Klingons on discovery I didn't lose my mind because I already been through this multiple times. I thought the discovery Klingons was a great look it just should've been saved for another alien race. Because after three spinoffs TNG DS9 Voyager we have gotten so used to a certain aesthetic that it's really hard to change that. I even appreciate the enterprise went out of their way to explain why the Klingons look different in TOS than they did in the other shows.
@@paulsarnik8506 Disco was/is written and produced by people who wanted to produce generic "dark and edgy sigh-figh" but knew their product would be utterly fucking mediocre. Why did they go on to product it anyway? _Money._ So, since they lack the talent to _create_ anything good, they snagged a deal that let them tack the nameplate of an already popular franchise onto their wet garbage.
Thank you. I was always curious about the fan reaction for that. I was born the year after TMP, started watching TNG around '90. Really wish I could remember which episode, but I was hooked within minutes. So, for me, I had, literally, the exact same reaction as Bashir the first time I watched TOS.
The Klingon House D'Gor comes up again (er... "earlier") in Discovery's pre-TOS parts, their house sigil was grafitti'd on Star Base 1 when they took it during the Klingon War.
I object to omitting the greatest English to Klingon translation of all time, "Never Gonna Give You Up" complete with appropriate Star Trek outfits in the video
What would be really interesting is how Klingons react to Worf a few centuries later. Some seeing him as one of the most legendary and unforgettable Klingons next only to Kaless Himself. Raised by an enemy to rise to become an exemplar of Honor Absolute and the hardships but the strength of mind and character that brings with it.
I actually met Marc Okrand many many years ago and he signed the Klingon dictionary for me. And spice Williams was there also who played a Klingon in Star Trek five
Mine too.The honor and glory aspects of their culture,similar to our own army: Respect,Integrity,Honor,are calling cards to live by.Even tho,in the army the powers that be often quote these army values,but,rarely abide by them. LOL.
I'd love to see a Klingon sitcom. Maybe call it GLORY TO OUR HOUSE. I can just imagine a Klingon dad getting onto his kid right then his Worf brand prune juice kicks in and he's like ugh be right back
Whilst the Discovery Klingons most definitely could have worked, I think the initial change to have them completely hairless is what killed it for most. If they kept that initially it wouldn't have been anywhere near as jarring.
While I thought them changing the look (again) was a tad pointless (and unlike the TOS to TMP change, we had three episodes vs well over a hundred, a dozen-ish movies, etc, to establish what Klingons look like- complete with explaining the change from the TOS era looking ones). What really bothered me was the change to the ship designs- we had pointy-T design both before and after the Discovery era, but they totally changed to batwings, burritoes and duel fuselage designs... (And don't give me that "oh, the Klingon houses had those ships, which we never saw before or since" nonsense.)
@@bjorn00000 Disagree; sure, we know it was originally supposed to be a Romulan ship, but the general design is in line with the D-7, (long next, bulb at the end, wings with protustions on them). Aesthetically, mainly with the wing pattern, it looked more Romulan; but overall...? And given the "tech exchange" to excuse the Romulans having D-7s in The Enterprise Incident, some overlap both ways can be as excused. (Sidenote- really annoyed we didn't get the Romulans in TSFS... or just more in the movies than we did- no, Remans don't count.)
@@Sephiroth144 I think there are some similarities, yes. The point is more that the difference between the D-7 and the BoP is not much larger as the difference between TNG/DS9 Klingon ships and Discovery ships.
I saw the Discovery Klingons as some kind of recovery from the eugenics effect in Enterprise. The DNA was recovering at an accelerated rate and over-compensated. And that it would settle down within a generation.
My head canon for the Discovery Klingons is - they were attempting to fix the smooth-fore head genetic manipulation but the treatment made them regress too far - and by the time of TMP they fixed it all back to "normal"
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail shape way and form possibly provided indeed👌.
Hello, the editor here. Yeah I couldn't believe my luck that this had been made, I didn't watch all of it but I gotta say I wss very impressed with it and the amount of love and respect that went into it.
I always assumed that the Klingons were in part based on the Mongol Empire - by character, *_NOT_* by looks! (I never twigged that concept/"design" in ToS, but I was very young when I first saw them pre-Motion Picture. The joys of innocence!) No, it's the saying "Revenge is a dish best served cold," which I have heard was a Mongol saying (dating back, at least, to Genghis Khan's day). I'm not sure about "Today is a good day to die," but it wouldn't surprise me if it, too, were a Mongol expression. Great video! Thank you :)
ahhh! the kitoma/phase 2 its the key i was missing. i always found the second gen klingons were more scandinavian/stereotyped vikings and seeing the evolution of their conception from a Japanese feudalism really makes sense for a lot of things.
The Klingon foreheads in TMP were different that what came in TSFS, TNG, and later. They were more like spines that went around the head to the nose. In TSFS, they replaced the spine with ridges. In TNG, they decided that every Klingon should have different ridges.
I was just saying that to someone they definitely refined it on TNG but yeah I love the way Christopher Lloyd and John Larroquette's make up looked in that movie
Klingons IMO have the most potential for their own series. I've been tossing out the idea for years that they need a GoT type series with treachery and bloody battles without seeing it through the eyes of the federation or humanity in general.
Honestly, the difference between the "honorless" TOS Klingons and the "honorable" TNG+ Klingons is sort of overblown. Almost every villainous Klingon we've seen has been scheming, conniving, merciless, and even cowardly at times. If you take their culture as a whole from an outsider view, they're very hypocritical and inconsistent. For me, it's simply explained by the fact that we weren't seeing the exemplar Klingons because we simply didn't spend enough time with them until Worf gave us a narrative insider view into how they think and act. It's kind of like Quark's description of humanity as root beer--it seems really gross until you drink enough of it that you start to kind of like it.
As far as I'm concerned, Michael Dorn played the quintessential Klingon and was a very interesting character because we often got to see a personal side of Worf - his parenting style, how he gets along with, or fails to get alone with Diana Troy's mother, and how he's occasionally a rule breaker. And who's complaining about his once in a while belly laughs?
There was a lot of funny moments in the video clips. Seeing a pasty on Sean's head made me laugh. Was that The Prodigy when Technos were mentioned? The sped up video effect and a Horgon and a Double Ding Dongs sign so close together means I can't list them all. There's far too many to mention, And I'll have to watch it again as I didn't spot an NX Enterprise.
On second thoughts: Nice reflection in the table under kehylar. I like when Sean's voice over is saying like share and subscribe the Klingons all appear to be using their mobile devices. And is there something I'm missing when I heard mentions of Klingons killing their gods there was a video of Klingons killing voyager crew? Not seen any NX Enterprise though.
I would add an all time favorite band of mine, who also has one of my absolute favorite songwriters: XTC/Andy Partridge famously from somewhat rural Swindon (and Justin Hairdo...I mean Hayward also from Swindon)
Okrand also overlayed the Vulcan-speak in The Wrath of Khan by matching the original English word lip movements. How'd you all miss that? He, himself, explains it in one of those 20-minute videos he does about how he developed the Klingon language from the remnants of James Doohan's work.
@@richadams4564 I didn’t like them as I said they looked like Orks even when it was a separate group of Klingons that were away for hundreds of years from home ground. But that’s personal taste.
11:08 You answered my question; any writer with the right program and a digital version of the Klingon dictionary can write pages of dialog in minutes. 🧐
I'm probably nitpicking here, but The Prodigy is NOT "techno". They're "Big Beat", ala The Crystal Method, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc... It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that the term "techno" seems to be used as a blanket term for all electronic music. When, in reality, Techno is a very specific type of electronic music, with very specific rules. Great video, other than that, as always.
Hello, editor here. Yeah I mean I know they kinda almost transcend genre and it did niggle in the back of my mind, but then I remembered buying a Techno compilation cassette when Fire Starter came out with it on so I'm gonna pass the buck onto them 😂
i would like to see a trek story again, where they explain how there were different versions of them, and over the centuries different parts of their society have been in dominance
The thinking in the FASA RPG from the 90s was that the earlier Klingons were human-Klingon hybrids that were intended for border operations with the Federation. Over time it's seemed that this might actually not be that far off, and that the Klingons have probably been changing their genome over time to make themselves into better warriors.
As with everything else the TOS Klingons had character and depth, you could see they were sly, smarmy, cheats and yes, aggressors, all the Klingons that came after were just aggressors with overly deep voices.
Please show how the Klingon poker cards have changed over time; from Worf winning in, "The Emissary," to his losing every other time, being made fun of by Data and Geordi.
I was always disappointed with the change in the Klingon's appearance in ST:TMP. I always thought that the point in the Original Series was that the Klingons were just like Humans and the picture that the Federation had of them being so inhuman mirrored the way that the Soviets were portrayed in the 60s. I do like the way the later series fleshed out their society but wish they had stayed more human in appearance.
Of all the species, the Klingons are my least favorite. Remember that scene when Ezra Dax basically told Worf that all the "honor" was basically BS in the empire--this is how I felt about them since TNG. I do like the new spin with Worf in Picard, but I do not find that society can persist as long as it has based solely on warfare, which it hasn't, but writers of Trek have done absolutely little to show us other aspects of this species other than blood and gory, and after DS9 and then Torres dealing with the same things and questions Worf dealt with in early TNG felt overdone. Worf was better in DS9 for my viewing, but after a while the Klingon narrative arc felt the same--the empire was at stake, it was something inside, as always, and then Worf will come to help. I do agree with the change in aesthetics for DSC--it just didn't feel needed, especially given how THE look was rather definitive.
On the subject of the Thlinganese society, I liked Brad Ferguson's idea (in a "A Flag Full Of Stars") that suggested the Warrior Class is (in fact) a *rather vocal* minority on Kronos (or Klinzhai, as it was called back then).
My thoughts on the various styles of Klingons were that they each should be looked at as different races. If the ST writers made it this way, people wouldn't complain about all the differences.
I’m going to presume that the gods were immortal and so while the first Klingons killed them, they didn’t stay dead and so they could administer punishment as they saw fit.
Video idea, if you haven't already done it: Most DANGEROUS scenarios faced in the whole of canon of S.T.... Be it enemies/life forms, or "environmental"/natural..... Examples: the Borg or The Crystalline Entity, or a dark matter storm.
I like the Klingons from 1960s until 2000s. After that the New Trek make them very strange. I am glad to see that the Klingons return to "old" Look in Strange New Worlds for the second season. So I have the hope that the New Trek will be there better than "Discovery".🖖
An interesting note about using Klingons as a metaphors for Current Events. Like as you point out, the Klingons were originally meant to repersent the Soviet Union and Communist China in TOS, anyhow Discovery S1 may have expanded on using Klingons as Foriegn Enemies. Despite what some outlets said, the Disc S1 Klingons are clearly meant to be Islamic Extremists (Any Metaphors of a certain American Populist Movement in S1 fits much better with the Terran Empire), like the Klingons main motivation to go to War was the believe they must preserve their archaic culture for religious reasons, while at the same time there is great division among the Klingons themselves, you can see clear parallels to Middle Eastern Politics there, and it becomes blatantly clear when later in the season it was mentioned that the Klingons have been resorting to Sucide Bombings. And for the times Disc S1 was released it just fits, like for the past few decades there is a War on Terror that is still going on, and around the time of S1 Production the EU Migrant Crisis happened. It should be noted that the twist with Tyler/Voq (who is played by an actor with Middle Eastern Decent) sorta plays on the fear that the threat is among us that was going around since 9/11. Tho S1's Execution may not have been great, there was a deeper attempt to emulate TOS being topical to Current Global Events
@@TrekCulture I could just imagine him being thrust into a group of Klingons, and his response being an awkward "Ah.....", if only it could become reality............... :P
The TOS Klingons were just straight up assholes. Who doesn't prefer the TNG Klingons? They're animals! Remember how Riker's joke about taking on two Klingon women brought down the house? The TOS Klingons wouldn't have laughed like that. I know that I want to party with those guys!
I feel like as a Federation audience watching Klingons through Worf's journey, we see his idealized fantasy of the Klingons. Worf was raised by humans on Earth and developed a scholastic oversimplified understanding of the Klingon culture. Whenever he encountered Klingons later and found them lacking on Klingon precepts, it is because THEY had to navigate real Klingon culture every day, with its gray areas. Klingon culture has far more dishonorable attributes than his worldview accepts but they do find his conservative values inspirational, though also naive. This lack of political savvy creates consequences that his honor system dumps onto those around him, friends, family/house, allies.
Hey guess what, you finally got one good. Everything was well known but found it enjoyable anyway. But speaking Klingon was my only slight issue. You should have included there's no Klingon word for love and then thrown in the Star Trek's three scene where the Klingon female clearly states her love for Christopher Lloyd's Commander Krug .
I'll never get over the pointless change for DIS. Yes, they changed in 1979, but that's what we saw from that year all the way to 2005. The DIS change has no valid reason to do so.
Im one of few people who liked the Klingon reimagining from Discovery. It was the first time in a while when they felt like actual aliens rather than just space Vikings with toxic masculinity. Their civilization shouldve been older than the Federation so I loved the gothic architecture look their interiors and their clothing had. It felt more in line with how TOS Klingons like Kor and Kang felt when I first saw them.
ST: next generation Klingons all the way(talking appearance here) If it ain't broke, don't fix it. SOME of the more recent stuff is getting a little odd, and it just feels like it is betraying what came before.
@@bjorn00000 I believe that su_shadow was referring to established continuity (At least up to "Discovery", presumably.) You have a valid point--- it's*impossible* to betray what certain individuals had no loyalty for (to *begin* with).
The way I see it the Klingon killed the gods vanishing them from the mortal realm so they no longer have any control over what happens in the mortal realms however when a mortal dies and moves on to the eternal realms that is when the gods still have authority and power
If it's of any consolation, the ENTIRETY of Romulans don't have the tattoos and shaved heads... Nero's crew just shaved & marked up in mourning for Romulus & Remus.
@@BuhurtUK na klingons arnt that smart no klingon would set foot on earth with trying to Conquer it and would have been killed by the locals Because they underestimated there ability to fight
Why are they bald in Discovery? I heard that they shaved their heads in war, but the series opens with the Klingons about to go to war. It hasn't been declared yet.
I cannot appreciate enough the fact that when talking about Shakespeare, you used the Upstart Crow clips. Thank you so much.
It's a good show 👍
Yeah, twas a good choice.
This is probably one of the few channels where you can use Upstart Crow and not have most Americans constantly asking who/what it is now.
Kirk: "Go to the Devil!"
Kang: "We have no devil, Kirk."
Me: Then who the blazes is Fek'lhr???
That's pretty cool that the Black Fleet in DISC was a callback to such an old novel, I had no idea
The Black Fleet was actually in a lot of TOS novels in the 80s that came out before TNG aired. I think The Wounded Sky from 1983 had a reference during a Klingon ambush, but The Final Reflection in 1984 was the basis for it all.
"I just feel so flattered, because the cosplayers really make sure every details is there. I don't think I've ever cosplayed a character before, but if I were to, I'd probably go as a Klingon from 'Star Trek." -- Karen Gillan
I love the bit about killing their gods because they found them to troublesome😂
I remember reading a Star Trek novel years ago about Kirk’s first mission with the Enterprise written by Vonda McIntyre called Enterprise: The First Adventure. There, the crew met some Klingons who were among the first to discover Shakespeare at a stage performance.
I just turned 55 i been watching Star Trek since I was 6 I was 11 when Star Trek the motion picture came out. I was so shocked by the way the Klingons look I mean they look scary. I believe me as someone who was in Starfleet the international Star Trek fan club. Oh it was always a hotly debated subject. That's why when I saw the change they made to the Klingons on discovery I didn't lose my mind because I already been through this multiple times. I thought the discovery Klingons was a great look it just should've been saved for another alien race. Because after three spinoffs TNG DS9 Voyager we have gotten so used to a certain aesthetic that it's really hard to change that. I even appreciate the enterprise went out of their way to explain why the Klingons look different in TOS than they did in the other shows.
One of the few things I enjoyed in STtMP🤷🏼♂️🤓😎✌🏻
Thought the Disco Klingons looked more and acted more like orcs!🤓😎✌🏻
@@paulsarnik8506 Disco was/is written and produced by people who wanted to produce generic "dark and edgy sigh-figh" but knew their product would be utterly fucking mediocre. Why did they go on to product it anyway?
_Money._
So, since they lack the talent to _create_ anything good, they snagged a deal that let them tack the nameplate of an already popular franchise onto their wet garbage.
Thank you. I was always curious about the fan reaction for that. I was born the year after TMP, started watching TNG around '90. Really wish I could remember which episode, but I was hooked within minutes. So, for me, I had, literally, the exact same reaction as Bashir the first time I watched TOS.
@@drewf41 oh that's a great episode it's crazy how good the special effects were for them to merge TOS and DS9 back in the 90s
"Avoid death and cower" shall be my standard parting phrase from this point forward. :)
Now I want to see another Quark and the Klingons episode :D
Absolutely one of the best Qurark stories ever.
The Klingon House D'Gor comes up again (er... "earlier") in Discovery's pre-TOS parts,
their house sigil was grafitti'd on Star Base 1 when they took it during the Klingon War.
Those were so good. :)
house of... Quirk?
I object to omitting the greatest English to Klingon translation of all time, "Never Gonna Give You Up" complete with appropriate Star Trek outfits in the video
Omg ever see the Sai parody "Klingon Style"?
povjaj !
@@ALL_OUT_OF_BUBBLEGUM Not yet; I have to now. :)
What would be really interesting is how Klingons react to Worf a few centuries later. Some seeing him as one of the most legendary and unforgettable Klingons next only to Kaless Himself. Raised by an enemy to rise to become an exemplar of Honor Absolute and the hardships but the strength of mind and character that brings with it.
I love Kilngons, definitely my favorite aliens in Trek.
choquvmoH
I actually met Marc Okrand many many years ago and he signed the Klingon dictionary for me. And spice Williams was there also who played a Klingon in Star Trek five
@@ALL_OUT_OF_BUBBLEGUM My mother is definitely NOT a Targ!!
Mine too.The honor and glory aspects of their culture,similar to our own army: Respect,Integrity,Honor,are calling cards to live by.Even tho,in the army the powers that be often quote these army values,but,rarely abide by them. LOL.
lol...my favorite alien🍸
Seán had a Cornish Pasty on his head.
Of this, I approve.
Guess they couldn't find any ghagh.
Damn. Now I'm hungry.
I'd love to see a Klingon sitcom. Maybe call it GLORY TO OUR HOUSE. I can just imagine a Klingon dad getting onto his kid right then his Worf brand prune juice kicks in and he's like ugh be right back
Whilst the Discovery Klingons most definitely could have worked, I think the initial change to have them completely hairless is what killed it for most. If they kept that initially it wouldn't have been anywhere near as jarring.
While I thought them changing the look (again) was a tad pointless (and unlike the TOS to TMP change, we had three episodes vs well over a hundred, a dozen-ish movies, etc, to establish what Klingons look like- complete with explaining the change from the TOS era looking ones). What really bothered me was the change to the ship designs- we had pointy-T design both before and after the Discovery era, but they totally changed to batwings, burritoes and duel fuselage designs... (And don't give me that "oh, the Klingon houses had those ships, which we never saw before or since" nonsense.)
@@Sephiroth144 The Bird of Prey made much less sense as a Klingon ship as first shown in TSFS.
@@bjorn00000 Disagree; sure, we know it was originally supposed to be a Romulan ship, but the general design is in line with the D-7, (long next, bulb at the end, wings with protustions on them). Aesthetically, mainly with the wing pattern, it looked more Romulan; but overall...? And given the "tech exchange" to excuse the Romulans having D-7s in The Enterprise Incident, some overlap both ways can be as excused.
(Sidenote- really annoyed we didn't get the Romulans in TSFS... or just more in the movies than we did- no, Remans don't count.)
@@Sephiroth144 I think there are some similarities, yes. The point is more that the difference between the D-7 and the BoP is not much larger as the difference between TNG/DS9 Klingon ships and Discovery ships.
I saw the Discovery Klingons as some kind of recovery from the eugenics effect in Enterprise. The DNA was recovering at an accelerated rate and over-compensated. And that it would settle down within a generation.
My head canon for the Discovery Klingons is - they were attempting to fix the smooth-fore head genetic manipulation but the treatment made them regress too far - and by the time of TMP they fixed it all back to "normal"
🖖😎👍Very cool and very nicely well done and very well informatively explained and executed in every detail shape way and form possibly provided indeed👌.
Thanks for a great list I really enjoyed it!
I've got a latinum up for the lightning-fast reference to The Prodigy! Great episode, lots of interesting stuff.
Thanks for this video! Qapla'!
I love it that they are using clips from Star Trek: New Voyages!!!! Can’t wait to see clips from Star Trek Continues!!!
Hello, the editor here. Yeah I couldn't believe my luck that this had been made, I didn't watch all of it but I gotta say I wss very impressed with it and the amount of love and respect that went into it.
I always assumed that the Klingons were in part based on the Mongol Empire - by character, *_NOT_* by looks! (I never twigged that concept/"design" in ToS, but I was very young when I first saw them pre-Motion Picture. The joys of innocence!)
No, it's the saying "Revenge is a dish best served cold," which I have heard was a Mongol saying (dating back, at least, to Genghis Khan's day). I'm not sure about "Today is a good day to die," but it wouldn't surprise me if it, too, were a Mongol expression.
Great video! Thank you :)
Today is a good day to die is uttered by an old Native American character in the movie Little Big Man.
ahhh! the kitoma/phase 2 its the key i was missing. i always found the second gen klingons were more scandinavian/stereotyped vikings and seeing the evolution of their conception from a Japanese feudalism really makes sense for a lot of things.
Q'pla !!! You have the-HEART-of a klingon warrior !!!!
Yay I loved this, thank you!!!!
You haven't seen The Sound Of Music until you've seen it in its original Klingon.
I understood ☝️ that allusion.
🙂
The Klingon foreheads in TMP were different that what came in TSFS, TNG, and later. They were more like spines that went around the head to the nose. In TSFS, they replaced the spine with ridges. In TNG, they decided that every Klingon should have different ridges.
However, the different ridges for every Klingon were already introduced back in Star Trek III.
I was just saying that to someone they definitely refined it on TNG but yeah I love the way Christopher Lloyd and John Larroquette's make up looked in that movie
Klingons IMO have the most potential for their own series. I've been tossing out the idea for years that they need a GoT type series with treachery and bloody battles without seeing it through the eyes of the federation or humanity in general.
Honestly, the difference between the "honorless" TOS Klingons and the "honorable" TNG+ Klingons is sort of overblown. Almost every villainous Klingon we've seen has been scheming, conniving, merciless, and even cowardly at times. If you take their culture as a whole from an outsider view, they're very hypocritical and inconsistent. For me, it's simply explained by the fact that we weren't seeing the exemplar Klingons because we simply didn't spend enough time with them until Worf gave us a narrative insider view into how they think and act. It's kind of like Quark's description of humanity as root beer--it seems really gross until you drink enough of it that you start to kind of like it.
As far as I'm concerned, Michael Dorn played the quintessential Klingon and was a very interesting character because we often got to see a personal side of Worf -
his parenting style, how he gets along with, or fails to get alone with Diana Troy's mother, and how he's occasionally a rule breaker. And who's complaining about his once in a while belly laughs?
Based on John Colicos makeup, and maybe one other commander, I always saw the Klingons as being closer to Mongolians than Japanese.
He did mention mongols in an interview….it was his idea….and they ran with it. it worked…gloriously…..
There was a lot of funny moments in the video clips.
Seeing a pasty on Sean's head made me laugh.
Was that The Prodigy when Technos were mentioned?
The sped up video effect and a Horgon and a Double Ding Dongs sign so close together means I can't list them all.
There's far too many to mention,
And I'll have to watch it again as I didn't spot an NX Enterprise.
On second thoughts:
Nice reflection in the table under kehylar.
I like when Sean's voice over is saying like share and subscribe the Klingons all appear to be using their mobile devices.
And is there something I'm missing when I heard mentions of Klingons killing their gods there was a video of Klingons killing voyager crew?
Not seen any NX Enterprise though.
I love the use of the excellent fan films
I was about 4 months old when TNG came out, and I find it a bit hard to get used to Discovery's Klingons
There's a reason I main a Klingon in STO.
I have always loved Klingons!
Scrabble in Klingon would be fun!
In an episode of Big Bang Theory, they were playing Klingon Boggle
😄😂😁😂😆😂
Some Klingon speakers have made their own sets of Klingon Scrabble.
I would add an all time favorite band of mine, who also has one of my absolute favorite songwriters: XTC/Andy Partridge famously from somewhat rural Swindon (and Justin Hairdo...I mean Hayward also from Swindon)
The Disco Klingons didn't bother me one iota.
Okrand also overlayed the Vulcan-speak in The Wrath of Khan by matching the original English word lip movements. How'd you all miss that? He, himself, explains it in one of those 20-minute videos he does about how he developed the Klingon language from the remnants of James Doohan's work.
I found a big issue in this video. Disco doesn't have Klingons they have Orks. At least the Season 1 Aliens, Paramount tried to sell as Klingons.
I liked Disco klingons. Looked cool. No different than TOS to the first movie
@@richadams4564 I didn’t like them as I said they looked like Orks even when it was a separate group of Klingons that were away for hundreds of years from home ground. But that’s personal taste.
Really?
They were enchanted by Saruman to be able to fight day and night?? 🤔
I read Disco as the 70 music craze and just imagined a Klingon disco. I may need sleep.
Is that David Mitchell 2:55?
Yup
Hey trek culture do a video like this one then Vulcans too.
You have done the Klingon culture a service, so we shall do the same and not kill you. :)
11:08 You answered my question; any writer with the right program and a digital version of the Klingon dictionary can write pages of dialog in minutes. 🧐
I'm probably nitpicking here, but The Prodigy is NOT "techno". They're "Big Beat", ala The Crystal Method, Chemical Brothers, Fatboy Slim, etc... It's a bit of a pet peeve of mine that the term "techno" seems to be used as a blanket term for all electronic music. When, in reality, Techno is a very specific type of electronic music, with very specific rules. Great video, other than that, as always.
Hello, editor here. Yeah I mean I know they kinda almost transcend genre and it did niggle in the back of my mind, but then I remembered buying a Techno compilation cassette when Fire Starter came out with it on so I'm gonna pass the buck onto them 😂
@@BuhurtUK A fair and honest response, if I've ever heard one. Respect.
i would like to see a trek story again, where they explain how there were different versions of them, and over the centuries different parts of their society have been in dominance
The thinking in the FASA RPG from the 90s was that the earlier Klingons were human-Klingon hybrids that were intended for border operations with the Federation. Over time it's seemed that this might actually not be that far off, and that the Klingons have probably been changing their genome over time to make themselves into better warriors.
As with everything else the TOS Klingons had character and depth, you could see they were sly, smarmy, cheats and yes, aggressors, all the Klingons that came after were just aggressors with overly deep voices.
TOS ones are probably my favourite iteration too to be fair
I want a poster of the proclamation in errand of mercy to hang on my wall. Can’t find one anywhere.
Please show how the Klingon poker cards have changed over time; from Worf winning in, "The Emissary," to his losing every other time, being made fun of by Data and Geordi.
So.... When is the Klingon translation of this video coming out????
(And I mean: the full video, DUBBED into Klingon....VERBALLY)
I was always disappointed with the change in the Klingon's appearance in ST:TMP. I always thought that the point in the Original Series was that the Klingons were just like Humans and the picture that the Federation had of them being so inhuman mirrored the way that the Soviets were portrayed in the 60s. I do like the way the later series fleshed out their society but wish they had stayed more human in appearance.
Of all the species, the Klingons are my least favorite. Remember that scene when Ezra Dax basically told Worf that all the "honor" was basically BS in the empire--this is how I felt about them since TNG. I do like the new spin with Worf in Picard, but I do not find that society can persist as long as it has based solely on warfare, which it hasn't, but writers of Trek have done absolutely little to show us other aspects of this species other than blood and gory, and after DS9 and then Torres dealing with the same things and questions Worf dealt with in early TNG felt overdone. Worf was better in DS9 for my viewing, but after a while the Klingon narrative arc felt the same--the empire was at stake, it was something inside, as always, and then Worf will come to help. I do agree with the change in aesthetics for DSC--it just didn't feel needed, especially given how THE look was rather definitive.
On the subject of the Thlinganese society, I liked Brad Ferguson's idea (in a "A Flag Full Of Stars") that suggested the Warrior Class is (in fact) a *rather vocal* minority on Kronos (or Klinzhai, as it was called back then).
My thoughts on the various styles of Klingons were that they each should be looked at as different races. If the ST writers made it this way, people wouldn't complain about all the differences.
Thanks. 🖖🏻
#3 here prompts me to humbly request a "Best Star Trek Novel" series, with each video dedicated to one TV series/era.
Whenever I see TOS Klingons the Foreigner song "Dirty White Boy" always loops in my head
I can't wait to see them in Strange New Worlds.
I’m going to presume that the gods were immortal and so while the first Klingons killed them, they didn’t stay dead and so they could administer punishment as they saw fit.
Video idea, if you haven't already done it:
Most DANGEROUS scenarios faced in the whole of canon of S.T....
Be it enemies/life forms, or "environmental"/natural..... Examples: the Borg or The Crystalline Entity, or a dark matter storm.
The thought of David Mitchell being a Klingon amuses me to no end.
Finally, someone else asking who the hells condemned Kortar & Shelka if they killed the Gods. (Maybe they got better...?)
Klingon gods: "I don't want to go on the cart! I think I'll go for a walk... I feel happy, I feel happy..."
Okay. Looking at David Mitchell’s Shakespeare makeup, it’s definitely all too easy to imagine Klingon head ridges on him.
I like the Klingons from 1960s until 2000s. After that the New Trek make them very strange. I am glad to see that the Klingons return to "old" Look in Strange New Worlds for the second season. So I have the hope that the New Trek will be there better than "Discovery".🖖
The klingons looks were also changed for Star Trek: Into Darkness film,it was a unique look,but,I didn't like it nor the film.
@@powerbadpowerbad That's right. I don't think about it. There was begin the madness.😉
@@harvey2906 GREAT minds think alike. LOL.
@@powerbadpowerbad Ideed. 😏 🖖
It is a good day to watch this video. Qapla'
An interesting note about using Klingons as a metaphors for Current Events.
Like as you point out, the Klingons were originally meant to repersent the Soviet Union and Communist China in TOS, anyhow Discovery S1 may have expanded on using Klingons as Foriegn Enemies. Despite what some outlets said, the Disc S1 Klingons are clearly meant to be Islamic Extremists (Any Metaphors of a certain American Populist Movement in S1 fits much better with the Terran Empire), like the Klingons main motivation to go to War was the believe they must preserve their archaic culture for religious reasons, while at the same time there is great division among the Klingons themselves, you can see clear parallels to Middle Eastern Politics there, and it becomes blatantly clear when later in the season it was mentioned that the Klingons have been resorting to Sucide Bombings. And for the times Disc S1 was released it just fits, like for the past few decades there is a War on Terror that is still going on, and around the time of S1 Production the EU Migrant Crisis happened. It should be noted that the twist with Tyler/Voq (who is played by an actor with Middle Eastern Decent) sorta plays on the fear that the threat is among us that was going around since 9/11.
Tho S1's Execution may not have been great, there was a deeper attempt to emulate TOS being topical to Current Global Events
gonna be honest. i like the look of the klingons from disco, as long as they also have hair. s1 was a bit offputting, but s2 was awesome.
Was going to mention that Star Trek V mentioned Klingon heaven was called "Kuitu", but does Star Trek V really count as canon anyway? 😜
I never thought I'd see the day when David Mitchell was shown amongst Klingons..............
ANYTHING can happen on this channel!
@@TrekCulture I could just imagine him being thrust into a group of Klingons, and his response being an awkward "Ah.....", if only it could become reality............... :P
I'm always really confused as to why Sarak always gets shown as footage for Romulans in TOS
Yeah, they should be showing the main TMP Klingon instead.
I didn’t notice until now that there is a Risian sex statue on the conference table in redemption…😂
We are the honorable members of the Glorious Lollypop Guild.
The TOS Klingons were just straight up assholes. Who doesn't prefer the TNG Klingons? They're animals! Remember how Riker's joke about taking on two Klingon women brought down the house? The TOS Klingons wouldn't have laughed like that. I know that I want to party with those guys!
10:52 The phrase "Invented Languages" is interesting, since all (human) languages were invented 😁
The 2010 ones are over the top, but maybe that’s more realistic
Latinum up for the Pulp Fiction reference
In one episode of ds9 worf Said its a mutation for the Clingon head ridges
I feel like as a Federation audience watching Klingons through Worf's journey, we see his idealized fantasy of the Klingons. Worf was raised by humans on Earth and developed a scholastic oversimplified understanding of the Klingon culture. Whenever he encountered Klingons later and found them lacking on Klingon precepts, it is because THEY had to navigate real Klingon culture every day, with its gray areas. Klingon culture has far more dishonorable attributes than his worldview accepts but they do find his conservative values inspirational, though also naive. This lack of political savvy creates consequences that his honor system dumps onto those around him, friends, family/house, allies.
Hey guess what, you finally got one good. Everything was well known but found it enjoyable anyway. But speaking Klingon was my only slight issue. You should have included there's no Klingon word for love and then thrown in the Star Trek's three scene where the Klingon female clearly states her love for Christopher Lloyd's Commander Krug .
I always thought the klingons were more Viking than samurai
Original Klingons were so much better than Turtle heads…..
Macha! Sean Ferrick!
Star Trek Efrosian, Klingon, Kazon, etc
Kalest easily could have been seen as a conqueror and warlord and it be a bad thing but for Klingons that’s what a leader is
I'll never get over the pointless change for DIS. Yes, they changed in 1979, but that's what we saw from that year all the way to 2005. The DIS change has no valid reason to do so.
Im one of few people who liked the Klingon reimagining from Discovery. It was the first time in a while when they felt like actual aliens rather than just space Vikings with toxic masculinity. Their civilization shouldve been older than the Federation so I loved the gothic architecture look their interiors and their clothing had. It felt more in line with how TOS Klingons like Kor and Kang felt when I first saw them.
Is there a medical test for toxic masculinity?
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Don't worry... they'll have it in ⚗️ drug-stores before you know it.
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80's were the best the new ones look like monsters
I can only imagine the wizard of oz in the original klingon
1:57 Wakanda forever!
Would Timothy Olyphant work as Strange New Worlds' Doctor Bones McCoy?
I have no problem with changing klingon design because originally they were design in 60' when we have no means to do them right
Klingons are fine, but the Romulans are the original and best.
yIjatlhQo' Qu'vatlh!!!
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What'd you just say to me, veruul?!
ST: next generation Klingons all the way(talking appearance here) If it ain't broke, don't fix it. SOME of the more recent stuff is getting a little odd, and it just feels like it is betraying what came before.
How do you "betray" what came before?
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I believe that su_shadow was referring to established continuity (At least up to "Discovery", presumably.)
You have a valid point--- it's*impossible* to betray what certain individuals had no loyalty for (to *begin* with).
The way I see it the Klingon killed the gods vanishing them from the mortal realm so they no longer have any control over what happens in the mortal realms however when a mortal dies and moves on to the eternal realms that is when the gods still have authority and power
I can't explain why, but the changes they've made to the Romulans, especially in the Abrams movies, makes me more angry.
If it's of any consolation, the ENTIRETY of Romulans don't have the tattoos and shaved heads... Nero's crew just shaved & marked up in mourning for Romulus & Remus.
Shakes spear wasnt klingon his works where more likely translted into klingon very early and warnt Cherished until kirks era
I don't know, look at Shakespeare's hairline, that definitely says Klingon 😂
@@BuhurtUK na klingons arnt that smart no klingon would set foot on earth with trying to Conquer it and would have been killed by the locals Because they underestimated there ability to fight
@@dylanhoare8203 I agree they can't fight 😂
@@BuhurtUK it would be funny to see a klingon doring the iron age get killed by celtic Warrior😆
@@dylanhoare8203 😂
Why are they bald in Discovery? I heard that they shaved their heads in war, but the series opens with the Klingons about to go to war. It hasn't been declared yet.
I really want Klingonese to be available in Google Translate, Babbel, and DuoLingo
I thought Klingon was on Duolingo?
@@BuhurtUK Say, you're right, I didn't realize that!
@@netgnostic1627 you're welcome, 1/3rd of the way there 👍
I believe they were named after someone Roddenberry knew on the L.A. police force.
It's amazing and almost funny, how human living in the same planet yet so different 😅