UNBOXING BALL PYTHONS - NOT HAPPY
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- Опубліковано 15 жов 2024
- We unboxed two pastel 100% het piebald ball pythons from Tropical Tom's on MorphMarket. The result was less than desirable. We will be doing a couple followup videos on these snakes to keep people apprised of how they progress.
Tropical Toms is local to me. He recently came out of the wood work and started vending at the local shows again. He has 2014 animals at shows that are easily under 400 grams. The guy is in it for the money. From the rumors I've heard he can't afford to feed his animals anymore so he's been trying to sell everything and make a profit. He's garbage, glad you did a video of the unboxing to prove that he's not selling truly healthy animals.
I really don't know where to start with this comment. If he can't afford to feed the animals, he shouldn't have them. If he sells some, he can feed the others. As for profit, you can make a profit in this hobby at a certain stage, but that's the wrong reason to really get into it. 2014's under 400 grams... I don't know how to comment in any positive light. How much does he typically have to sell?
Kentuckiana Exotics on the amount he sells at the shows I'm unsure. The show coming up mid July will be my first time vending and theres a vendor dinner so maybe I can chat with him and get a feel for the type of person he is. He has quite a few animals on his MM so it's quite possible hes getting out and selling everything he has. I agree you dont get into this hobby to turn a buck, you get into it cuz of your passion. Maybe at one point it was maybe it wasnt sho knows. Hopefully I can get some more info on this guy at the next show.
It's my hope that his animals are healthy, and just mislabeled... at this point, dishonesty of age is the best hope. I would rather not hope that his care is so poor that they are abused. If that is the case though, and it is seen at a show, hopefully it is reported to the authorities, and measures are taken to rectify the situation.
Kentuckiana Exotics unfortunately they are not mislabeled. I inquired about a smaller animal also hatched out in 2014 a while back and he never corrected my questioning on the hatch year. And the weight was only a few grams heavier then on the post, that he had posted several months before. Unfortunately, in the reptile hobby or really any hobby where breeding animals takes place you will find breeders who are in it for the check at the end of the day. Pretty sure breeders out here know better than to get involved with this guy. Not much we can do besides complain to the ppl who run the shows to keep him from coming back. But without any proof of the conditions they are actually in not much else we can do. Just make sure to post on the FBI page on Facebook so others know to avoid him.
Kendra Westy more than that... Animal control, and other animal rights organizations, could be at the show
That snake is probably like, man his hands feel so warm. Don't put me down.
I couldn't believe they shipped in 40 degree (Fahrenheit) weather without a heat pack.
I have a new person shipping me an animal this coming Tuesday. Now that the weather is hot, I am expecting a cool pack in the box, so that the snake doesn't fry. I talked to this keeper much more extensively since the last issues, and they seem to know what they are talking about. So sincerely hoping this unboxing goes much more smoothly. :)
Kentuckiana Exotics, have you ever delt with BHB Brian ? I'm really wanting to get my son a snake for his birthday in August. We dont have enough money to get an expensive morph but a regular ball python isn't so far fetched. I already have a setup. I had a speckled king snake name King Luey. But one of my son's friends wanted him more than us cause he ended up stealing him from us. When the kid got him with the snake. His momma freaked out and made him release him. I think I was more upset with that snake than any dog I have ever had. Now i love all animals except ANTS!!!! Thank you any help would be awesome.
I have talked very briefly with Barcyzk, and he was very easy to get along with. He knows his animals, and will leave you researching things you never thought about.
As for the incident of having a snake taken and subsequently released, I hope you are in an area where the snake could thrive in the wild. I really am sorry to hear that though.
Where are you located, in general terms? I may be able to suggest someone local to you to get a snake from.
Kentuckiana Exotics I live in Baton Rouge Louisiana. I caught the king in my yard. So he shouldn't have any problems in the wild. As far as the friend. Hes not aloud back to my house. Any info would be awesome. Any animal that comes into my house will be taken care of and loved. I would've never dreamed before I caught king Luey that I'd like a snake much less love a snake. My son has been upset ever since. I think it would be a great birthday present for him. Hes a straight a student and is wanting to be a zoologist. Anything that deals with animals. Thank you so much. I have subscribed to you and look forward in back tracking and watching all your videos.
Well, the only one I have read about in that neck of the woods would be in Kenner I believe. Which is just north of New Orleans. I think the company name was crazy 8balls, and she is rather new in the hobby as far as I have seen on Facebook. I can't really vouch for them, but given its not even an hour and a half drive for you, you could see the animals before picking them up. I am sure there are others, but none that I know much about.
If you are thinking about getting one shipped ahead of time, that is definitely possible, and your options would open up of course to more paint jobs. Given you said you don't have too much to spend, you kind of are limited to morphs, given most shipping will be between 50 and 75, on top of the cost of the snake. If you want a classic normal ball python, they can go from 20 to 40 from most breeders though, so you could still be getting out under 100.
when is his birthday?
Had to scroll down to see if the snakes had died because honestly, I did not want to see dead snakes from abuse... Glad they are in your care now.
Glad to see you taking the time to check it out. And I am so happy they made it. They are doing much better now!
I am glad they are in a much better place with you guys, that packaging was horrendously bad. I have never had snakes as pets but my father had an iguana when I was a child and you just learn that animals need specific conditions in order to survive.
@@KentuckianaExotics Yeah, I had to check before watching too... How are they now, have they gained some weight?
Lol read description usually helps 🙄
@@KentuckianaExotics we have a snake named aura with that horrible spider gene...she was a rescue from pet hell is what I call petsmart. Her head is wobbly but she's so happy now and is a trooper when eating. Though we can't give her live because she can't strike very well .-. Sadly.
I almost cried when he said, no "heating pak."
My fiance did too. You can hear her get upset.
Kentuckiana Exotics this is why my fiance only feels safe ordering in warm weather.
Not trying to say anything about you, they should have heat packs it's common sense.
Nicole Knight they should. But I get why your fiancee makes that decision. To warm and you need cool packs though, and that's an even bigger risk. So there are risks each way.
Kentuckiana Exotics true, but he looks up unboxings like this to see if they pack like they should. So this would really help, especially if you live in an area where it gets real cold or hot. Which those vans get super hot.
I am glad he does look all of them up! It's why I want to start doing better unboxing videos when I get babies in from different places. Gives people honest reviews up front. Hopefully, this will be the only negative review I ever do :) And I keep looking out for unboxing videos on me, but so far none have been made that I know of. If I find one, I will share it on my channel and Facebook so it's easier for people to find :)
I actually gasped when no heat pad was discovered! That's awful :(
Now that its warm, no heat pad or even a cool pack would be necessary, but it was needed in the cold. :/
I did to especially when he said it was cold!
what tiny little girls how sad that the breeder let them be under feed that long and NO heat pack there is cutting corners but that is pain reckless behavior so glad they are in your loving care now best wishes always😊🐍
Thank you so much
I have been looking at a lot of stuff about ball pythons and I find this video helpful to know some people who I shouldn’t bye snakes from
So glad that they survived the shipping.
Thank you! you and me both.
Those babies got sent to you because they needed you. I know the money aspect has to suck though.
Lisa Lynn money can be made. Thank you for that. Positivity is a wondrous thing
I'm so glad they ended up with you away from their previous "caretaker" I swear idk how people think it's ok to subject reptiles, or any animals, to this kind of pure neglect.. I'm glad you talked to Matt and decided to share your experience with us. Hopefully Tom's potential customers will stumble upon this an the other negative stories about his lack of treatment an care and decide to support something else with their dollars. Great Video!!👏 Just subbed
tasha 111 thank you! We did a couple updates on these babies. They are doing well. Both have she'd and are eating like champs.
Kentuckiana Exotics That's such great news!! I'll definitely be watching those asap!! Your wife and I gasped at the exact same time when you realized there were no heat packs shipped with them
the one him shipped me looked like he hadn't fed her in 7 months and she was ice cold, and he never even told me he was shipping the animal.... he is bad news
Yeah, one of the snakes has put on almost 150 grams since being here. The other is growing a little slower, but is still growing as well. As for him and shipping, I am hearing a lot of negative things slowly. I can gladly say I am glad that your girl is in a better home though! What did you get from him?
I got 100% het pied 66% albino female...I actually got in a very heated argument with him. and reported him to morph market... I'm on the morph market and they will not tolerate that kind of service they will ban him form selling if they get enough complaints about him. Just look on the bright side , you rescued those animals, that's how I feel.
Yeah, I definitely feel like that. I just don't want to support his poor conditions with my money going forward. I hope your baby proves out :)
This boils my blood there is no excuse for poor treatment to reptiles or any animal zero care pure profit attitude from the seller 😡😡😡😡😡😡 glad you have them
I agree. I know there's a lot of people that have the "profit" mentality, and I get it. I just don't like it. They are doing much better now. They are actually approaching my breeder requirements, so I could do late pairings with them to prove them out. But I think I should give them the year off and wait till this winter to start pairing them for next year, just so I know they are good.
Kentuckiana Exotics saw the update on them and there coming on well I love my snakes and reptiles have done for 20 odd years so love seeing them in good homes massive thumbs up to you
Agreed. I have had ball pythons for 17 years, only been breeding for 3. But started with snakes when I was 6 with keeping native species of North Carolina where I grew up. If you aren't willing to keep them healthily, you shouldn't have them.
How can someone treat and animal like that? Disgusting
I just recently became very interested in snakes and have been doing tons of research but I’m not able to get one for a few years or so because parents haha
first snake I handled was a baby California kingsnake a month ago and just a few days ago a baby milksnake. Very cute and beautiful snakes
Glad the BPs are with you
Glad you are finding different species to learn about :) I don't think there are many animals on this planet I don't like to look at, though there are a few species I can't keep in my current location due to ordinances and other issues of course. Keep learning and when you are able to get one, get one that you know you will love!
i gave you a like as soon as you said "im glad we at least got them away from where they were at"
Thanks! People in this hobby tend to overlook many things chasing a dollar. half of my collection will never be bred, and the breeding I am doing is to get animals I want, and off set some of the price of food. So adding snakes to my collection that weren't what I ordered is okay by me as these babies are definitely doing well now. (They could even breed now actually, but I am waiting until next season just to let them have some time to relax before I start proving them out)
well said brother.. keep on doin what you do. takes a passion to do what you are doing
Thank you
Just wanted to say I love how gently and kindly you handled those snakes ☺️
Bianca Hope they are our babies. You can't just fling them around.
Kentuckiana Exotics I have seen some people toss them around and be overal just rough, this was really nice ‘to see. Says a lot about an owner ☺️
Most people really do care about their animals (or atleast I really do hope so). I have seen people do the same, and they mean no harm, I just think people take the animals for granted at times because we know they are a hearty animal. People forgo kindness, for efficiency at times to produce a video. And it's my theory, that if I show the animals as they are, people will be able to relate to it more, so taking my time - and doing what I hope every responsible owner does when they aren't on a mission to make a video - will hopefully help me reach a larger audience in the long run. And hopefully, that reach will help spread the love of an amazing species of animals. :D
First baby was so still I thought she'd shatter like glass 😱💔😭
Special place in hell for Tropical Toms
the passion in your voice when you read out the first weight was heartbreaking! so glad you were able to rescue these poor babies.
I tried to stay even kiltered. But there's certain things that life throws your way that can shake you to your bones. And my love of animals drives me to no end. Thank you for your words.
Awesome video man...for being 2014 babes that’s 4yrs those should be at least up in the 2000 grams range...hope those prove out for you..subbed to your channel.
Yeah, that was my thoughts... The 1500 - 1600 gram range would have been if he shipped them after having just laid eggs. I like to give some wiggle room for uncommon things. Also, thanks for the sub, you rock.
Wow, my 10 month old bp is bigger than that second 4 yr old female. Glad they're in your hands to be well cared for now!
Glad to hear your little one is doing well! These girls are both doing much better. We did an update video that should be tagged at the end of the video to explain the genetics, and update people on their progress :)
They're beautiful and I'm glad you can take good care of them and make sure they are ready for breeding first :)
Natalia Davis definitely. I could pair them probably this year, but I feel a lot more comfortable with the idea of waiting til next year
Please keep us updated...also if you could add tropical Tom review in the tags or title...so anyone looking to research this breeder will see this... I've seen him on morph market and have thought about the purchasing from him.
I plan to post on these two girls a few times in the next couple months, just for all to see. I also have put him in the tags. Thank you for the suggestion.
don't purchase from him... I had the same problem... he should not even be allowed on morph market
CMC Reptiles. I had actually talked to the guys and gals at morph market...they are currently working on a breeder review system...they are trying to figure out a verified buyer system to prevent false reviews
This would totally be an awesome idea! Verifying is a good thing. It's why I decided to make unboxing videos for every snake, unedited. People see the good and the bad of everything.
good idea... I have talked to John about it also... not just the sellers you also need to watch out for buyers.
I had a serious problem with a buyer just recently..
I like seeing people, specifically breeders with passion; and not just doing it to make bucks. I just found you today but you for sure earned a sub man. I hope those babies get all better. Which I'm sure they will. Best wishes my friend. :)
Thespian thanks brother. Breeding may be a part of it, But my hobby is keeping animals that I love. Out of the ones I need this year, I have 0 clue what I will keep. Last year I held back a normal and sold everything else. It's all for the love of the babies.
I totally agree. In fact I've just start with keeping animals as well. So far I have a Ghost corn snake, a Normal Ball python, and a Leopard gecko. On Monday I'm going to be getting my first Boa Constrictor. I just started and I'm already so in love with it. Which is hilarious, considering I use to be terrified of snakes.
Thespian glad to hear your passion is growing! Just remember that I really did gamble when I got these two in and they were that cold. You really should quarantine when introducing new snakes to your collection. Especially across multiple species. An RI can spread, and get a ball python sick, and that same RI can kill a boa. So keep them in a separate area for about a month to ensure they aren't sick before putting them in the same room.
Thank you for the advice! I had no clue that I should do that. Would I be able to email you? I have some questions that I can't find the answer to online.
Thespian of course. I'm at work, so I will reply in depth after work tonight.
I live in Kentucky as well and even though the shipping is a distance I love to get my snakes from BHB reptiles. They have amazing snakes there!
Shipping is usually the same across the board. It's getting the next snakes that I want that will the issue lol
I discovered I lived within driving distance of BHB, after I got my only corn snake. Hope to get a ball python or a gecko from there one day.
So happy they are ok after shipping, glad they are now taken care of with you, great job!!
Thanks Amber :)
one time i was texting a snake breeder because i was interested in purchasing a snake he had. he dodged all my questions and not even 10 minutes after talking to him he said "come to me when you're actually interested in buying a animal." I didn't respond after that and 5 months later i see he still hasnt sold that snake, i bet he chases all his customers away.
unknown sorry to hear of the issues you had, but if a breeder can't answer questions within reason, you probably saved your self some hassle. Customer service and standing behind your product is a key part of every business that's successful.
You know I am so sorry that this was a horrible experience for you. You must be an amazing person to rescue these snakes and save their lives. God bless you for the selfless kind thing you did for their welfare. It touches my heart so much.
The moment I heard "no heat pack" I wanted to cry. I am so glad that they made it through shipping and that they no longer are in the hands of the fucking prick who sold them. Thank you for posting this so people learn not to buy from there! Oh, and you have a new sub from a fellow herper!
Thanks for the sub! These babies are doing very well now! Both are feisty, both have amazing food responses. These babies will be here a long time :)
Thank you for loving my comment Kentuckiana Exotics! Just found your channel today at school. Love it I'm subbed and notification squad boi!
Much appreciated. Hope you're doing well in school As well
@@KentuckianaExotics Thank you so much dude! Have a great day!
I have to admit your new snakes are beautiful but I have to ask a couple questions. 1. Do they spend their life in thoes plastic tubs? 2. What do you do with them?
Greg Del Bene thank you. yes, they live in the rack system. As to what I do with them, I love getting them out and about. I live by a good sized park, and I really enjoy walking around it with snakes around me. I get to educate people about them, and show people not all snakes are aggressive much less dangerous.
I also love letting them roam the snake room from time to time. I also of course make videos about them as I breed them.
This is how I feel about this situation if u can't afford to feed ur snakes sale them give them away there are always someone out there who can take good care of them if they can't so sad money hungry people they end up with so many snakes and can't afford to feed them I'm glad u posted this video
Thank you Kathyria! And I 100% agree. The care we give to our pets should be the #1 priority for any hobbyist, or business.
Yes especially if ur running a business people expect best quality especially if there spending so much money
That is insane. 864g. I have 2016 girls that are 1300g. I have a May 31,2017 girl that is 833g and she has missed meals. That's crazy cause the second one does not look Pastel to me.
Do you have a copy of the ad on Morph Market or anything that says what they weigh. I would file a claim with Paypal...
I didn't copy the ad, never had this kind of issue before to think like that. However I don't wish to file a claim on Paypal, given I might have to send the snakes back, as I think they have a better home now. As for the weights, I currently am putting them on a 5 day eating rotation with my juveniles. Once they have eaten 10 meals or so, I will put them on the weekly rotation.
But looking at his page closer now, almost all of his snakes seem underweight. I don't know if he is lying about the ages, or if they are all emaciated like the ones I received.
I looked at his MorphMarket ad and I wouldn't buy from him if it saved my life. He has snakes that are 2012 weighing 800g. He breeds for money obviously and saves money by providing the absolute minimums. Piece of crap IMO... If it was one or 2 fussy feeders than that's one thing but almost every animal he has listed (all 127 of them) are underfed. There is 0 reason for a 2 year old ball to be under 1000 grams unless it was a rescue or 12g at birth.
Exactly right... I don't think he is listing their true ages, and is still underfeeding. I sincerely hope the rest of that collection is healthy. I wish I knew someone in the local area that could go check for me.
Blackside Ball Pythonsy 3 year old girl weights anout 950 but she also gave birth like 2 weeks ago. It's sad to not feed your animals especially ones that eat like once a week. It not a 💯 commitment. So sad
no heating pack?!?!😱 poor babies
RIght? You would think it would be common sense. Winter = heat needed, summer = cold pack needed (so they don't cook)
Poor girls. I'm still learning about them, since I plan to get one in a year or so, but even I can tell these two are horribly thin. At least they are with you now, I know you'll do a great job of getting them back up to full health.
They have been with me about 6 months now and are up to pretty good weights finally. Keep researching all you can, cause I still learn new things all the time, and I love it
Thank you for starting the unboxing video with the actual unboxing
You are more than welcome. I know I should have advocated the whole like, subscribe, notification thing, but on the flip side, I am not doing this channel to make millions off of youtube, so it just makes sense to give people the pertinent info.
jeez man, that's terrible to even think that someone is starving a collection of ball pythons, i'm glad they are in your care now getting what they need, i too love in Kentucky and if you ever need help don't hesitate to ask
Thanks Elijah! and they are doing much better now! both are about up to breeding size, but I wont start pairing till close to Dec. to give them a bit more time to relax :)
Just found your channel , thankfully those baby’s landed with you in a better place and in good hands . Thank you 🙏🏻
Glad they're with someone who will take good care of them now
They have been here for a bit over a year now, and I can say that I still love opening up both tubs. One girl is very defensive, and strikes often still, but the other is calming down and tolerates being handled occasionally with no real qualms.
Hey, I was just given a Ball Python as a surprise gift. It was unfortunately purchased from PetSmart. They supplied a sheet showing the days it would eat and when it would shed. The sheet also had "Date Arrived" which added up to 3 months, but no actual age of the snake. It also failed to give the sex of the snake, I was told that the employee at PetSmart said it was "too young to sex", which I've never heard of.
So my question is:
What should a 3 month old Ball Python weigh and how long should they be?
MachoDingus first off, I'm happy you got a baby. Weight ranges, it can vary based on how big they hatched. I have hatched babies as small as 28 grams, and as heavy as 94 grams. If they average 60 grams, at 3 months You should be looking at about 100 gram range plus or minus given eating habits and other factors.
MachoDingus as for lengths, I never measure that really. I worry that they eat, and they shed proper. Everything else can take it's time. As for sexing a snake, you can do that once they are out of the egg. You just have to be careful not to damage the sex organs. I only teach people to do that in person so I canensure a snakes safety.
You seem to really care about your animals and I love that.
I do. If ever I am doing this and don't love the animals, I truly hope someone approaches me and reminds me of why I started this hobby. There could be millions, or I could lose money, and as long as my love of animals shines through, it is worth it.
These should most certainly be considered rescues.
Emily Click yeah, but instead I just consider then part of the family. I love them no matter how many times they bite me lol.
Kentuckiana Exotics. All of my animals are my babies. I couldn't imagine not having them. Koda (male normal ball) accidentally hit me with his teeth a few days ago when he aimed wrong at his food. It wasn't an actual bite, it was more he brushed his teeth across my finger only make tiny scratches.
These girls are definitely not used to being handled like I do with my babies. But I agree, your animals should be part of the family, just like a family dog.
This guy probably just saved the life of these snake's
I fully believe that I did. And I am happy to say they are doing much better.
Those poor babies. Im so glad you have them and can take good care of them now.
Thank you! They are doing much better now. Both are up to breeding size, though I am waiting until next season just to give them a bit longer to relax.
where else have you ordered in the past and how were your expeirences with those
I have ordered from multiple places. Garrick Demeyer, c serpents, Memphis reptiles, and others, and all had been amazing. And I would suggest them in a heart beat. This was my first unboxing after making the channel, and it had been my only negative experience.
I really appreciate how you handle the snakes and how you gently closed the tub. Drives me nuts when people slide tubs open/closed in a rush and handle their snakes as if they’re inanimate objects. I’m not especially familiar with morphs but that second one sure isn’t a pastel! Hope these girls got up to a healthier size.
Thank you for the kind words. My animals are my family that I chose to have around me, and treating them as inanimate objects is now how I would wish to treat them.
As for the genetics, neither of them was actually the right snakes that I ordered, however I am completely happy to have them in my care. The second one is a normal, potentially het pied. The first does have pastel and kalabash reduction gene, and potentially is heterozygous for pied as well, but until I decide to breed them, this is just a hope as that was what I was trying to order.
I hope you are well, and that you enjoy the channel and any content already out or that is to come.
Sorry to hear about your bad experience. From what I've experienced there are a lot of similar breeders, they slow feed snakes for sale to save on costs and for reduced maintenance, it's pretty typical. I've bought yearlings the size of hatchlings. But it doesn't seem to hurt the snakes and they do grow much faster than other similar sized younger snakes, in fact they will catch up and you'll never even know most times. I'd quarantine those away from your collection, big breeders buy and sell a lot of snakes and I'm sure most have a low level mite infestation that they battle, it's just part of the business. I'd quarantine in a separate room at least, maybe in the basement or a different level of the house or ideally a separate house LOL. Also, the number one cause of death shipping snakes is overheating from the heat pack. Snakes can survive the cold pretty good, I'm guessing he probably had some cooked snakes that died and dumped the heat packs. I wouldn't dog on the seller too much, especially buying large female hets, he probably put more money into those snakes than he sold them for.
I have had a mixed review on the unboxing, and I love that you took the time to post. They are off of paper towels finally, I haven't seen a single mite, and use prevent-o-mite, so was finally okay putting them on cocofiberous bedding. Heat/cold - Yeah, cooked snakes is always a worry. And I would rather go cooler than warmer on a trip, so long as it doesn't pose health risks like with all the snow we were having.
The finances of it all - I am not nearly a huge breeder, so I can only go off my numbers that I have here, but you are right in thinking he probably put more into them than he sold them for. 4 years old, say a meal every 2 weeks on average (keeping nice numbers here) is about 100 rats in each snake. Average rat about $2.50 would be $250 in. Oddly, the visual genetics aren't what I ordered, so I have 0 idea about the "het" until I breed them out, but he definitely took losses. The first snake has more visual mutations than I bought, and the second was a normal. The next update on these snakes will go into that though. As I have said in other comments, I do not wish him ill in any manner. I hope he is just new to ball pythons and is learning, and his knowledge grows.
Thank you Chris, nice to see some common sense in these emotion based comments. I live in AZ and often times when shipping to say WI for example by the time it was warm enough to ship there it was getting to be in the mid 90s here and while a heat pack would have maybe helped on that end I needed a cooling pack on my end. These people commenting are kids, they don't remember buying imported ball pythons that wouldn't eat for 6-12 months at a time if ever. I think this dude got a great deal on a pair of het females and he's still unhappy and talking about buying from BHB which anybody that was in this hobby 20 years ago knows better than to do.
Exactly Chris!....And Zero😉
@@ZeroEntropy. whats wrong with BHB? Just curious
@@DizzleMCSTANG88 The only snakes I've ever gotten with parasites were from him. This was 20 years ago, he's a great UA-camr if you love click bait and hyperbole but he's never been a great snake breeder. I would NEVER purchase a snake from him or his collection, not the quality or him or his wife as people. They also buy from a lot of other people to resell, that's fine but you never know the genetics or quality you're getting.
Poor babies. Why can't people care for animals properly? Glad they survived. 💜💜💜
I am very happy they survived and are doing quite well now :) Thanks for your care!
this is true they dont have any trouble surviving down here in florida wild where in the winter it gets down to freezing more than people think
Rickys Half yeah. Some make it If they get deep enough to stay warm enough.
That’s so damn sad. How can you ship a snake without a heat pack in the cold?! Thank you for making this video. And for caring more about getting them away from that scumbag than their genetics. Only little comment I have is to let a cold snake come to room temp before putting them on heat. It can cause problems but I think it’s pretty clear you knew what you were doing. Thanks for calling this guy out!
Awe poor babies, the first one was so curled up trying to keep warm 😓 at least they are in good hands now
They are doing well now. They are eating like champs, and I love them both :)
I love n support ur channel do u think a good way to get them bk feeding or will help them to start bk after the breading season by giving them a live gerbil I've heard that that's their natural and favorite food, and its not good to feed it to them more than once because they'll refuse any other pray item, but just one time because I've heard their irresistible
Also thank you for your support. I haven't made much comment as of late due to some time restrictions, but I should be back up and running soon
I was thinking about ordering a Coral glow cinnomon from morphmarket (seller is Extordinary Ectotherms). Should I or should I got to a different seller?
What was the sellers response to all of this?
Mike K his remarks to me were Lee's than kind, and they do not need to hit a public forum where kids visit
those poor little noodles, I can hardly believe shipping them in March with no heat? very lucky snakes indeed. I hope in the time that you have posted this and now that they are doing well and that they prove to be what you ordered. I do hope Mr. Tom loses his animals and he goes to jail cause this is very wrong to starve an animal and ship it in cold conditions without heat is like torture as the snake just slowly freezes. give them a little boop for me and happy breeding
They are considerably better. Their weights are up, they are feisty. As for proving out, I'm confident they will not prove to be what I ordered, but they have forever homes now.
That 2nd one doesn’t look like no pastel
It isn't. It may have fire, as the head does have a slight stamp, but I am just hoping it's het pied at this point. The first one he was wrong on too. It does have pastel, but it also has another gene that he didn't claim that I am more than happy with ;)
The second is a normal.
Annie Sasin As an owner of both normal and pastel I wholeheartedly concur!
Do ball pythons like to be handled often? I'm considering getting one
A good majority of them are quite okay with being handled often. There are some that aren't, but they are fewer. If you get them young, and work with them, they really do make wonderful pets.
Things to note about handling snakes: Do NOT handle them the day you are going to feed them. Don't handle them much the day after you feed them. Snakes feel most vulnerable when they have recently eaten due to the fact that they cant move like normal. So a bit of a "break" before and after feeding is usually suggested.
If you are considering getting a ball python, get the setup up and running ahead of time. Make sure the temperatures and humidity are good ahead of time. Take your time and find one that you absolutely find gorgeous. Classic/Normals are how most people start keeping them, but if there is a morph you like, find the most beautiful version of it you can. Also, put money back for vet bills. Hopefully, you will never need it, but just in case funds are a great idea ahead of time. Forums are a great place to get ideas of anything wrong, however no one knows every thing that can go wrong, and being able to afford tests and medicines is always advised, even with cats and dogs and any other creatures you decide to take care of.
That said, they are amazingly hardy animals that are worth keeping. I am glad you are considering getting one, and I wish you true joy while keeping them.
Kentuckiana Exotics ok! Thanks for replying
Hey dude just subscribed, good luck with the snakes, I really hope they are ok, the second one is a normal and probably not hets, live and learn my friend it happens to all of us 👍🏻
Given how he has comported himself, I wont know if they are het until I breed them, but definitely a live and learn experience. Thanks for the well wishes and the sub! hope you and yours are well!
Wow!!!! That Was Disappointing Well Like You Said They Are In Good Hands Now
Yup. I'm glad to have them. I am going to be proving them out one way or the other this coming season. And they won't be going anywhere.
@@KentuckianaExotics Very Nice!!!!
what website did you got it
Purchased it off of morph market.
He (Tropical Tom) has a 2017 snake listed up on MM right now. Thank you for sharing! MM doesn't allow seller reviews, but at least you can do on here. I got my first bp from Wilbanks and she is gorgeous in every way, great buying experience! How are these babies now? Did they turn out to be het pied?
So they are healthy, both are close to 1800 and 1900 grams. I haven't bred them yet, I wanted to give them extra time before their bodies went through that, to give them the best chances at remaining healthy throughout the process. So not sure about the het pied part yet. But to this day neither of them really like to be handled much, but they don't strike at me as soon as I open their tubs like they used to.
I am glad you will take better care of the snakes then them.😊😊😊
Oh they are doing fantastic now :)
I have seen another place that receives orders from the same place (by looking at the box, packaging and bags)...they ship them with cold packs
Contact Snake Discovery....I think she received snakes from the same place.
@@creationsbyleatrice9395 I'm happy to hear he uses cold packs when it's hot. Snakes can cook fast in the heat. And if you order these shipping packs, they come with both heat and cold packs both so you can use what's needed
Where can I get cheap frozen mice or pinkies (just got a snake)
Katie Bug congrats on getting a snake. I order my rats from perfect prey. Just a heads up, not all snakes will take frozen thawed, and some take a while to swap over. So be prepared to be patient, and potentially have to feed live if necessary.
Kentuckiana Exotics thank you so much! Chewy is a ball python from Petco (sadly I didn't know about their abuse and ill reptiles for sale until now. But he's in perfect health.
Katie Bug not all pet stores have abhorrent behaviors. Just like not all breeders are horrible or amazing. They are often people's first exposure to these amazing animals, and for that I'm grateful. I hope your little one makes you happy for many years :)
Kentuckiana Exotics Thank you! I know he will I just hope he likes his new home.
“See if we can get a weight on them real quick here in just a moment, after.”
I know that you’re in Kentucky, but Richard is the owner of Reptile Rapture in Madison, Wisconsin. He breeds most of his own animals and takes really REALLY good care of them. You should check them out. I personally don’t believe in shipping the animals, but I’m always pleased with their customer service and the conditions of their animals whenever I visit them.
I haven't heard of him, I will definitely check him out!
Kentuckiana Exotics The website is www.reptilerapture.net. They’re also on UA-cam. I bought a tortoise from them back in November of 2013 and he’s still going strong. ☺️
Thank God they're with you now
Thank you for your kind words. They are doing pretty well, and I am honestly excited to have them.
howd they survive boxed like thaat with very little oxygen?
I'm just happy they are doing great now.
Shawn Davis I’ve heard that ball pythons don’t take up much oxygen but I’m not sure about that
Way too little to be 4 years old. I’m shaking I’m so angry. These poor sweethearts. Thankfully they came to the right people!
RJ they are well on their way to good weights. They eat like champs. Their ribs are covered, their tails aren't sucked in. I'm much happier now :)
My brother got me a piebald pair for my birthday a year ago.. Need I mind you my brother has no idea about snakes. So he got them from Tropical Tom's. two weeks after getting them. One had died, the other had a bad respiratory infection. Lucky I was able to save that one... Even with putting them in quarantine, they had riddled half of my other snakes with mites.... Was a pain in the ass trying to care for the one that was sick, along with killing off the mites, and still being able to make formation in the mornings.
I'm so glad you were able to save one of them! And provent-o-mite is part of my cleaning routine. You can never be too safe.
I agree. How are yours doing? Hope you were able to get them up to weight.
@@xRipperx619 yeah, took a while but I got them healthy
Awesome, glad you were able to get them back up to strength.
You and me both! I love snakes, and have a rather good collection of just plain normals even, and I hate to see any in that condition.
I'm very thankful that y'all got them! The guy has no business around any kind of animal! I personally think any one that miss treats animals should have to be treated the way they treated them! God bless y'all!
Balinda Hymen I agree. And thank you. I broke quarantine protocols here to put them on ready heat. I didn't wait a week to feed. I changed everything I do for those babies.
We got another snake today, and the video should go up tomorrow. Much better conditions. It is why I decided to one take all UNBOXING videos. People see what I see, and can make educated decisions.
Kentuckiana Exotics Thank you for for the response, I now have y'al on my list! I'll be watching for new posts. I could see and hear the pain you feel for those critters! God bless y'all! Y'all all will be in me prayers an will be watching for updates! 😀
And may you be blessed as well!
It was great to see them and hear you complain at the same time.
No heating pack? In March?! That’s crazy! So glad they’re in much better hands now!
Oh yeah and no freaking heat pad? Dude this guy is something else.
To be honest they looked bigger in the video than the 800 900 gram range. Wow hope they eat well for you and you can take care of them from here on out. I've noticed that there are some companies that have older snakes in low weights... I try to never buy them if they do t seem at a reasonable weight.
I have definitely learned a good bit from the experience. And I debated whether to release the video, and after talking to Matt from Olympus, finally decided to. Thank you for the well wishes bro. Hope you and yours are great!
I hope you know the second female you pull out is not a pastel.
got to the part were you say "this was supposed to be" haha hope they prove out for ya!
sal Bellantoni yeah, second one is a normal hopefully het pied. First is a pastel KRG poss Enchi, poss het pied. I did an update video on them, after talking with people who could help me identify the first one. I knew I was seeing something odd, but didn't know what it was. I will pair them both to a pied male next year to prove them out one way or the other.
Pastels lose the yellow as they age. Just so you all know.
No pastel don't lose their color they brown out but you can still tell they are pastels second snake looks to be a normal
poor girls :( Breaks my heart to see things like this
Same, that is why I posted it. Lets people know what to avoid. They are doing much better now :)
that first BP looks like a Spider morph mate
have you figured out their morphs?
Yes I have and there's definitely no spider in either. The first is a pastel KRG. The second is a normal poss het pied for both
ok, cool
Just curious why unbox and run risk of MITES in the snake room Seems super risky
So, this is a topic thats a bit debated behind the scenes with people who have studied reptiles for years...
So in most facilities, and especially homes, there is no such thing as a quarantine. The risks are the same of opening in the living room versus opening in the snake room. The idea of quarantine in the place I was at, was all for show... mites are prolific creatures. They travel quite well, and can sustain themselves in a home for longer than I knew for a long while. So if the two rooms weren't hermetically sealed from one another, the risk is the same. A real quarantine is not performed by very many facilities unless they are scientific in nature like at a few universities. Even zoos don't usually follow quarantine when importing species from around the world.
So if you don't have two facilities or a proper hermetically sealed room, the risk is the same. Now, knowing this, I take a couple other forms of precautions against bringing in parasites. I preteat all tubs, and terrariums. I treat carpets to minimize what might be able to thrive there, and more. But the truest answer i can give to your question for back then, was I didn't want to show the rest of the place I was living as much given I was kind of new to making videos, so shooting in that room, was preferred.
Basically, it all played a part in the decision as to where to open the box.
Sorry to hear about the bad experience.
All of my BP's came from Ben Renic. They were impeccably packaged with identifying photos and morph info. Sadly, Ben passed tragically, but his work continues. You can't go wrong with Renick Reptiles.
Definitely glad to here you are happy with your babies. Ben was a great guy, and an inspiration within the reptile community for sure! I will more than likely end up getting a snake from Renick Reptiles in the future, but I want to get snakes from many many sources, to help smaller people get reviewed, to help new buyers know whom they can trust, and more. So far, this was the only bad review I have ever done, so I am hoping it stays that way :)
Hello , your first girl defiantly a pastel , second girl maybe a black pastel ? It's good to see they went to a great home.
My first Ball Python was a rescue wild caught male, foot and have long weighing in at 150 grams. Kenny is now 16 years old and other then not feeding for 4 or 5 months out of the year, he's been a great snake, fathered a couple of clutches for us to.
Keep up the great work you do with them. Peace
We did an update on them semi recently. Second one is just a normal, as for any hidden heterozygous genes, we will see in the future. The first one is a pastel kalabash, possibly het pied. (May also have enchi in him, but hard to tell with the KRG)
Glad to hear your first has done so well for you. My first is 17 years old, and until a few years ago, I had never bred for myself. Now that I have and am starting to grow, I wanted to share my journey with others :)
Hope you and yours are well, and hope you keep up the great work with your animals as well. Will
I looked at Tropical Tom's snakes on morph market. His snakes all seem way under fed!! He has 4 snakes on morph market right now (at the time I wrote this) that are from 2012 and only one is over 1000 grams!! One is 890 grams, one is 915 grams, one is 990 grams, and the 4th is a whopping 1093 grams and all 4 are from 2012!!
By the way, I just liked, and subscribed to you.
Thanks bro! much appreciated! And yeah, his weights are way off. One of the girls has already put on over 100 grams. The other one is doing well too, but a little slower to gain weight. I am planning on doing an update video on Tuesday I think.
I saw some of "Tropical Tom's" snakes on Morph Market 3 or 4 months ago. I couldn't believe the weights they were posting for their snakes. I thought maybe they goofed somehow. Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be a goof. I'm letting everyone I can think of on UA-cam know about the situation. Maybe someone like Brian Barczyk or Brian Kusko can do something about it. Thanks for posting this video!!
That's why I decided to post the video unedited. I talked to the guys at olympus, and after a bit of a conversation, I decided to be completely transparent on my channel. This way, future buyers will be able to find the video and make an informed decision. If it is warm, heat packs aren't needed for instance. So they can take that into account. And the weights... again they get to make Informed decisions.
@@budyjames77 lmao
Poor babies. sounds like you love your snakes the be in good hands now
You have to love your babies. They are doing much better now :) Hope you are doing good too
Where are y'all from in Kentucky?
I am about 15 minutes outside of Louisville
next time you need snakes check out BHB reptiles. based out of Michigan, Brian takes VERY good care of all his snakes and animals
I have been thinking about hitting up Brian for a few of the "bigger" combos that I am going to want. I know his reputation quite well :) I even thought about taking a drive up to pick one up when I do decide to purchase one.
I wouldn't recommend him either he sent me unheated, cold snake as well.
I don't know about the snakes but i have gotten my leopard geckos from him and they were packed right,they told me when they were shipping and everything. My experience was pretty good. It upsets me though that he would ship with out heat packs.
I am glad to hear you had a positive experience! I have read and seen many mixed reviews at this point, and I am kind of at a loss as to why there is such a huge variance from the same keeper. That said, I don't wish him ill, I just wish his animals well.
I don't yet have leopard geckos, however I think I may get a couple in the future as pets only. I kind of want a large collection with a lot of variety once I move and am able to house the expansion I am wanting :) But that will be a good bit in the future.
Just out of curiosity, lets say you drove x miles to go pick up the reptile, then drove back with it not in a box (in he baggys they get shipped inside the box in), would that be less stress on the reptile or the same as being shippedin a box? (I have no experience or anything with them so sorry if I worded anything wrong)
Mikayla Johnson there would be similar stress I think. The question would be a matter of speed? How long are they stressed? Because being removed from your home, put in a bag, and can feel the movement of travel in both ways.
@kentuckiana exotics
That makes sense, thank you for the info 😊
Mikayla Johnson you're always welcome. Hope you and yours are doing well.
Thank goodness for u them poor babies reptiles need love too
We have to love our babies :) what would be the point in having them if you aren't going to love and care for them?
Beautiful pythons
Thanks you Tatts! They are a permanent addition to my collection :)
Kentuckiana Exotics awesone I want to get one
They definitely look quite a bit underweight, specifically the second one. I wouldn't be surprised if they were 2014 babies and were just not fed properly, glad they're in better hands!
Also had a similar experience. The seller was nice, but shipped in winter without heat packs and there was a delay so she almost died. Had to resuscitate her.
You didn't quarantine them?
Normally I would, but my quarantine setup wasn't up to heat (I only plug it in when I get an animal in as I don't get new babies to quarantine very often), and given they were shipped in the cold without heat packs, I wanted to get them directly onto heat to start warming up.
This is not a practice I really would ever advocate unless there are circumstances that dictate breaking out of the norm. That said, the tubs they went into didn't have any bedding, I do use provent-o-mite, so my main worry wasn't mites. It would be a fungal or bacterial RI spreading to my other babies. And I was very vigilant keeping an eye out for any signs from any of the snakes.
Now I have changed my procedure when getting in new babies going forward, I am going to be turning on my quarantine heat the day before I get snakes in. It doesn't usually take more than an hour to be where I want it, but that advance will prevent me from having these same issues in the future if they ever arise again.
I hope you are well :)
Id only buy from bhb. Exactly for this reason. So sorry for these snakes. Imagine their lives before if they cold ship!
I can't say you should limit yourself to just one company, however I do love BHB. There are plenty of people willing to hold their heads high and treat you well, and in good faith. I personally want to get from a good number of sources to find and share great newer and smaller breeders with others. I would hope others would do the same for me. It's my way of trying to help build the community up :)
Though if BHB has what I want for my more expensive purchases, I will definitely hit them up ;)
Love BHB
I have a doubt that pythons are dangerous do they harm you😳 what happens if they try to bit or eat you
Okay, so I am going to attempt to say this right and tell you both sides of this. I got bit last night while feeding, it lasted less than half of a second, and the snake had already realized I wasn't the food source and let go. It shocks you, it barely stings, and much less than a bee in most cases. And the bite was 100% my fault. I feed rats that are not alive as I do not want them to suffer, and I hold the rats to move them and simulate life for the snakes. I run the risk of a bite, knowingly.
Now as for after care, rinse with soap and warm water, or hand sanitizer, and move on to the next cage. I have almost never been bit, if I wasn't feeding, when it comes to ball pythons. (Other species I have, but again, my fault, just in other ways).
As for trying to eat you... there are only a few species on the planet that could view humans as a prey item. Physically we are too big for most species of snake to even attempt to eat us. You will hear of myths of snakes measuring themselves out to see if they are long enough to eat us, this is wrong in so many ways. They need to be big enough around for them to be able to hold their prey in. Green anacondas can get big enough to take a human, but there's no evidence that they ever have. Reticulated pythons have killed humans, though this is rare, even with the thousands that are bred every year by keepers. And Burmese pythons have killed humans, and this is the most controversial one of the lot. (Because of overfeeding by humans, they grow larger that in the wild, to where they could)
Kentuckiana Exotics oh tq for info actually I am a snake lover but bit afraid of snakes I like to see them and know about them and love to keep snakes as pets but I can’t dare to do that😊
They really are amazing animals, and whether you ever keep one or not, I am glad you have a love of them.
Idk about you but I would’ve saved the weighing for later and put them straight into the heat so they’d feel better. Maybe get them something to eat. Let em warm up and feel better before weighing them
V1per V1R0S we got then on heat faster than I ever have, they fed day two, but I didn't want to feed day one of arrival. But weight is always done when I unbox. Gives me a start point for my records.
That would have them go into shock and die. It's like putting a human who has hypothermia into warmth. They can die
I don't even own snakes, and this breaks my heart. I saw in the comments that they're thriving under your care. I hope people who are in the market for snakes, avoid him and his company. This isn't okay, and he shouldn't be allowed to do this. So horrible.
Yes, they are doing quite well, and they are slowly becoming more accustomed to being handled. Their weights are much better, and they have neither turned down a meal yet. If I would have let them stay on the accelerated feeding schedule, they would not have minded in the least I dont think, though I don't want them obese so I couldn't keep that up lol.
Glad they got a better home
Oh man it infuriates me when people treat animals like they're nothing more than a paycheck and couldn't care less about their well being. 😠 I hope these beautiful girls are doing well now and putting on some weight. Also, I just subscribed.
Thanks for the sub Erica, They are doing pretty awesome now, they are almost up to breeding weight, but I am giving them until next season just to make sure they are okay. As for people trying to turn them into a pay check, it happens, all we can do is educate people, and hope they have good teachers who care.
Like from Mass breeders and through the mail?
What do you mean by fast feed?
fast feeding means I feed every 5 days instead of 7. Also, when first getting a snake, usually you wait a week to feed to allow them time to adapt to their new environment. If you want to feed them faster, you take a good chance of them refusing the meal, which if you have other snakes, is easy to push down the line. but if not, you may risk wasting rats if you feed frozen thawed.
I do not advocate feeding multiple rats in the same day unless it is in certain circumstance, which are few and far between, like say you get a egg to hatch and the baby comes out 25 grams. That's a serious health risk. if they refuse food, they might not make it a few weeks. So you assist feed pinky mice right? or force feed if absolutely necessary. You can (though not always recommended) feed them two of the pinky mice in one sitting, so they get double the food to grow. This is called chain feeding or power feeding. If you do it too much though, you can cause your snake to get a fatty liver and other issues that will impact their health. Obesity is a real issue in snakes that people dont realize. So, fast feeding can mean a few things. In this case though, it was meaning to push food on a slightly accelerated time table, for a short period of time (8 meals), to help them get up to a healthier weight range from being under fed. After that, they were put back on a normal time table, so they don't incur any undue effects. I hope this helps. If I made it more confusing, feel free to ask all the questions you want. I am here to help people learn.
Snakes are just so beautifull.. where i live right now, pet's aren't allowed. But i'm definately getting some in the future.
I am glad to hear you find beauty in them! When you are ready to get one, feel free to email me, and I will be more than willing to help you figure out what you want, and point you in the right direction to find the one you can call a pet forever :)
Kentuckiana Exotics thank you for responding. It's most likely going to be a couple years at least, and i'm from the netherlands, so options might be different here. I already have an idea of what i like, though once i'm ready i'll do more research and decide what'd be best for my situation at that time. I want to give the animal i get the best life possible :)
I've been in love with snakes since i was a little girl. I could very well imagine myself getting obsessed when i start, haha.
oh it is so addicting! As for the legality in the netherlands, there will be animals that you can have for sure, but learning everything you can ahead of time is always great!
Kentuckiana Exotics oh yes, there are definately animals available here. I've already found some breeders, actually. I was thinking of starting with (a) garter snake(s), because i like their requirements and activity. I've seen mixed advise on their difficulty though. Would you think they would be okay as a first time snake? If not i might get a ball python instead.
》Tessa 《 so I grew up handling them from the wild as they are native to where I lived as a kid. They are amazing, they are very well adaptive to their environments. They are a bit more nippy, but if you were small and anything could be a predator, you would be too. The bites don't hurt, so it's kind of up to your level of comfort.
Balls are always an easy first snake though. So if you aren't sure, they could be a better introduction to snakes. Both are beautiful though, and either could make amazing pets.
The second one seems to be a normal. That sucks I always feed animals that where purchased like I do my breeders sorry to here about your experience man. Makes me mad that people take short cuts these are live animals! Hope all is well
Thanks brother. The second is a normal, and honestly, I am still glad to have her in my collection. They are still beautiful animals, and I wouldn't let them go for anything.
Looking back with logic, and how they have grown since, I am rather sure the second one was shipped after having laid a clutch of eggs. It would explain the tail suck and the ridge of her spine easily, and given neither of the snakes are what I ordered, I don't think the age is right for the first girl either, so the slow feeding may not have been as bad as I first thought. So hopefully they weren't neglected too bad.
Thank you for the well wishes, I don't know if you have a channel on here, or a facebook, but given your name and comment, I am going to assume you breed. I am getting married tomorrow, so I dont have a lot of time on here tonight to check you out, but leave me another message so I can check you out when I have more time :)
Just backtrack a little bit to see this video I'm so sorry you had to deal with something like that
The Genetic Hunters hey bros. Yeah but at the same time I learned a lot to take into the future. I got two snakes that I now love. And quite frankly, it will help others out going forward.
800 grams at 4 years? yikes. anyway i don't need to point out to you that a breeder selling a snake and not holding it back is actually incentivized to keep it smaller-- less expensive food, takes up less space, etc.
bought one on morph market recently which was only 140 grams at 10 months old. put some weight on her and doing well now
bob dole congrats on your baby doing well. I hope they give you the happiness mine do me!