Great point about the lack of choruses! I think a lot of these bands were progressive and arty by accident- because they were kids who had no idea how to write songs, so they just strung together a bunch of parts that had nothing to do with each other.
Exactly the sort of patronizing, ignorant statement I'd expect from a businessman wannabe who's never created music in any capacity and only leeches off bands. "they were dumb kids who lucked into it" What a tone deaf thing to say.
Number[S] has aged pretty well and it holds up to this day. One of my favorite records of the 2010s metalcore. Not to mention, their Kesha's Tik Tok cover was incredibly good.
Bro it’s crazy how well it’s aged. It was def ahead of its time and current at the same time. The music doesn’t sound cheesy when you play it back 10 years later, like that fucking insane. Cant say that for many old post hardcore music
I remember listening to this when i was like 15 man. I knew it struck me differently than some other shit, Attack Attack Someday came suddenly comes to mind as similar. and couldn't agree more. I think a lot of these songs were a real step forward.
Bro you finally did it! I lived through this whole era of Woe, Is Me I was a super fan of this band up until Tyler, Ben & Cory left. I just felt like it wasn't the same when Vengeance came out but I did enjoy the song though. I only saw WIM live once and that was the summer of 2010 and Number[s] wasn't even out yet and it was the original lineup as well. some fun facts: in the opening track of Numbers[s] the song On Veiled Men has a line that says "for these hands like houses we'll protect you from this storm" which is a shoutout to the band Hands like Houses. Emarosa, Woe, Is Me & Hands Like Houses were all recording music at Chango Studios at the same time which is how Jonny Craig had vocal features on the songs Desolate, The Conductor & Our Number[s] by Woe, Is Me. Tyler Carter & Jonny Craig have a vocal feature on the song Lion Skin by Hands Like Houses. The three albums that were being recording simultaneously were the following: Emarosa - self titled (2010) Woe, Is Me - Number[s] (2010) Hands Like Houses - Ground Dweller (2012) EDIT: The reason why bands like Of Mice & Men and Woe, Is Me were able to get signed so quickly was due to both bands having members that were previously in bands that were signed to a record label. So pretty much they're already on a contract agreement with Rise so they have to fulfill the rest of the contract or possibly face legal consequences. That's why we saw so many ex-members of bands start a new project when they left whatever band they were in during the 2010s.
One thing you do that I love is you not only accurately document a band’s career, but you pause to review each album individually. That has helped me to find appropriation for bands who I never got into back in the day, in real time.
I remember woe is me added me on MySpace way back in the day and I was excited to show the homies this new band. We watched them grow and get signed to rise and we knew they would come to our city because most rise records artist do and Michael bohn recognized us there out of everybody because we had made a video smoking to 1 of their songs ft Johnny Craig and the band was super cool. Fast forward we went to 2011 Warped tour and Tyler saw us and came up to us asking “wheres the weed at” and we went and smoked him out haha good times.
I never really got into Woe is Me but Issues definitely holds a special place in my heart! Sky was always so nice and they just had a unique sound. Their shows were always fun. My friend and I have matching black diamond tattoos inspired by their black diamonds EP🖤
I got to meet woe is me in 2011 but I didn’t meet issues til 2016 I think it was (after loving them for years) and you are so right. Sky was definitely the nicest person ever, Tyler following sky for most nice lol
Dude this is sick!! I have a funny story about Kevin also. I live north of Atlanta and right after woe is me split up, I saw Kevin working at a Polo Ralph Lauren store at a local outlet mall. I had to do a double take and was like, is that the guitarist from woe is me??? lol sure enough it was him. My girlfriend at the time even had a woe is me t shirt on. Was definitely shocking to see him working at the mall.
I'm glad you mentioned the absence of choruses on Number[s], first time I see someone else talk about it. The only repeating part I can think of is the "you're too far out, to swim your way in" on Hell or High Water. Tim Sherrill's lead guitar work is also impressive, it sucks that there is very little clear footage of him playing the tapping parts, as far as I know, none of his successors ever played them live. You can also clearly tell that the guitar parts got a lot simpler when Andrew joined. Ben's low screams deserve a mention too, they really added to their set back in the day. In fact I'm pretty sure his keyboard was just a stage prop, all he'd really do live was backup screaming.
What do you mean by tapping parts? Also, yeah they lost two key players in the band early on with those two. Very underrated but important to the original, industrial sound of what was Woe, Is Me. The album definitely feels like one long song. In a way, kind of like a fluid conceptual album without one single theme.
@@ReanuKeaves1 Tim has some pretty intricate lead guitar parts on the album (not quite DGD level, but still, they're pretty cool), and some of them are tapped, like on 2 parts of Delinquents. In case you don't know, tapping is a guitar technique where the guitarist has both hands on the fingerboard and thus doesn't strum the strings. And yeah, I do feel like it could've been one long song, some of the tracks even segue into each other. They're also all in the same key, except for the last one.
Papa Cozy, Pleassssee can we put A Skylit Drive on the short list of video topics? Jordan is a true OG and with the reformation and all of the drama surrounding it, I think a video would be interesting. Love you and your channel!
Thank for doing this Woe Is Me/Issues story! A band I think that would be interesting to cover is Broadway. They’re super underrated and could’ve been up there with SWS and PTV.
15:55 without even looking at the screen, I knew Tyler wrote that. If you pay attention to his interviews and other promos he’s done, you start to see more and more signs of disillusion and “savior” complex grow over time
Ignoring the inner turmoil of this band and Tyler Carter being a groomer, I still play Number[s] on the reg. Just Great songs that bring back so many memories.
I met Tyler in 2019 and we talked about why Number[s] had no choruses. He said that a certain member of the band (from Of Machines) hated choruses and said great music does not need a chorus. Also Tyler has a Number[s] tattoo behind his right ear.
Michael has the same tattoo. They might all have it actually. I used to think it was weird that the bands drummer was always front and center in their photoshoots, then the splits happened and it made sense. Lol
@@saviorofs0ng I'm sure you'll understand more if you watch all 3 videos Cozy puts out. Basically their drummer Austin (from Of Machines) was very..."involved" with the direction of the band and their music, so much so that almost the entire band quit and started a new band, which he then wrote an entire album about before then getting kicked out of Woe is Me by his new bandmates for being so controlling. Most bands have the vocalist[s] in the front of their photoshoots because they're the "face" of the band, hence "frontman". Austin being in front of everyone else basically implies that he's the face of the band, which isn't usually the case for a drummer.
The WIM dudes as well as the dudes in ISSUES are good friends of mine. They were actually on their way to my house when the situation occurred that the song "King of Amarillo" was written about. I know all the dirty deets.😬
I remember hearing rumors of how controlling Austin was and how many conflicts there was in the band. Thanks for doing this video, I was super excited to see you covering it :)
I was at the "Of Machines" concert featured in the video and so many other Of Machine shows back in ATL at Swayze's and other venues and listen to that album front to back at least once a month and am still in touch with one of their guitarists. Such an incredible band. Was heartbroken to hear about Bennet's passing as well. I would've loved for that project to continue.
Number(s) will go down as one of the best metalcore albums when you or people like myself reflect on those days. 10/10 absolutely beautiful front to back. And the transitions? *chefs kiss* I wish Tyler wasn't a POS and the band got along so that we could actually see a reunion. Forever living on in memory
Man, I had just started getting into live music around 2011 and remember that warped tour so well. That was an amazing summer for me, and Woe, Is Me got me into a lot of other bands and broadend my tastes. I don't know if I would like a lot of the music I do now without them. Issues too. Despite all the drama with Tyler and the bands I still love all of this music. It's too bad the mighty ones have to fall, but my little scene emo boy heart will never die lmao.
Funny little memory of mine is being fresh out of high school and one of my friends was dating their tour manager at the time. We were hanging out on their bus outside the venue and I played my local post hardcore bands EP for them and Austin said it was trash lol. Good times. 😂
Oh shit that’s a fun memory. I recall a good friend of mine and I watching Tyler skateboard outside of warped tour one year while listening to a skylit drive play in the background lol. Was pretty cool
Excellent work. Would love to see you breakdown the career of Broadway. You mentioned them a couple times throughout this video and it warmed my heart. They are my favorite post hardcore band
This was 40 minutes??? Every single video of yours seems so much shorter, and I'm always surprised when you start to wrap up. Keep up the greatness, Cozy!
Oh man, your channel reminds me how ridiculous this era was. So many bands back then would splinter into handfuls of other bands that putter out quietly. Of machines was being seen as the next big band up and coming for a minute there. It was them, inaviate, and the color morale. Then of machines and inaviate dissolved and the color morale had a sophomore slump. Anyways, of machines became woe is me, became issues and the bro version of woe is me. Tyler Carter did solo stuff, then issues. Woe is me died and favorite weapon and cursed sails were a thing for a short time. Issues kicked Mike and wild heart happened. Can't forget scouts solo stuff too. Seriously... What was this era of music? I mean, you said oceana which reminded me of their split and them becoming polyenzo, while the screamer formed decoder with the first versa emerge vocalist before they rebranded as lead hands and got sued into oblivion. Speaking of, that first versa singer would be an interesting video. Versa emerge, decoder, and makari all had him for a short time and it seemed to be drama. Haha
Woe Is Me is a lot like Attack Attack in that way. Austin got kicked out, started Of Mice & Men, Shayley left them and started Dayshell. Then Johnny Franck left and started The March Ahead and later Bilmuri. Then Attack Attack broke up, Caleb started Beartooth, the Andrews started Nativ Then brought back AA a year or two ago.
Number[s] holds a special place in my heart. Tyler's R&B vocals merged the music I grew up with and the music I was choosing to listen to. My anecdote about WIM is seeing them at Warped Tour in Orlando 2011. Legit the day after, WIM cancelled the rest of their shows on the tour. Little did I know I'd see the last WIM show with Tyler. Shame how his story turns out in the end.
2008-2012 the the 5-8 band tours were the best get there at 5 be there till midnight...now its like 3 bands and it takes 20min between each set...back then it was like 10minutes tops nmbetween bands. Venues got lazy and refuse to let those huge tours happen anymore.
True, but i think Cory Ferris and Ben Ferris has a bigger impact on the Woe Is Me sound than Tim Sherrill has, just look at Vengeance and Fame > Demise, even without Tim Sherrill that song still has the "unique" sound Woe Is Me has, and when they left, the band just turned into a really boring chug chug Fest with generic br00tal breakdowns
PLEASE do Of Machines next if you could. it shouldnt be a super long video given their limited history lol, but 120% relevant to this video & a lot of other bands you've already covered as well.
Yesssssss!!! Cozy listens to the little people!!! You got on it ASAP since the last video. One of my current favorite UA-camrs. Always takes me back brother. Keep up the grind! My next request is Hit The Lights!
@@ToTheWolvesTony Yup, it’s literal pop punk perfect. So is This Is A Stick Up. I’d even say Invicta is an amazing album, despite reactions. Not sure how well it aged with fans but I loved it from the beginning. Such an underrated band. Sucks they aren’t as active anymore. Think Invicta was the beginning of the end for them.
@@ReanuKeaves1 I really do not know of any fans of that band personally so glad to meet someone finally. That album along with the woe, is me #'s album and others at the time changed the game for me as far as music I listen for and what I like to hear in my ears. Before that it was simply the 60's-90's classics and whatever MTV was showing. Never would've picked up a metal album if it wasn't for some of these bands along with the media outlets that popularized all of it at the time. Proud to say I'll always be a scene kid/emo at heart.
First thing I thought of was my back thanks the fact there aren’t 7 band shows now. I remember going to like a 3 hour show with 8 bands or something and moshing all through it then getting up for school the next day. My whole body aches just thinking about doing that now lol I’m old as fuck!
Really anticipating part 2. I didn’t learn about woe, is me until after Tyler crate had left & they released genesis. Going back I remember listening and loving Number[S] but wasn’t into issues initially. That took me a bit but once I heard the debut self titled I loved them. These guys were something unique
Dude your channel is CRIMINALLY underrated!! I personally wanna thank you for the work you put into the journalism and bringing us fans of these bands from back in the day these stories and telling us what went down!!!! Great stuff
Fun fact: I went to middle and high school with a lot of the guys from WIM/ISSUES I saw A Path Less Traveled and Chayne Stokes so many times.Its wild how they blew up because literally no one in our scene liked them. Everyone thought both bands were super lame. L Anyway, they become Woe Is Me and are immediately on warped tour. I saw them as a local band literally once as Woe Is Me and thought "this is the same APLTish bullshit. Lame" but I was so wrong lol Those were good times tho. Those bands played so many great local shows back in the day. I saw Chayne Stokes and Attila play in my home town church ran venue called The Movement in Loganville, Georgia. I'm talking 2007 to 2010. Our little scene was actually producing huge stuff and we had no idea. Never imagined when I was 19/20 I'd be in my 30s watching this on UA-cam.
I know folks always do this but I'm curious if you're ever going to do a Rise and fall, and Rise again of Underoath? They definitely deserve some love!
Honestly, I'm so happy that you do these . Thought it was kinda silly. At first, you broke down things like this .. yet I really credit you now & love the content. It's always a good listen & watch ! Thank you
The era of tappy slidey leads over a breakdown with high pitched singing was so hilariously and exactly replicated across the entire scene in this era. I didn't realize it back then. Looking back, it's hilarious.
Cozy i LOVE your work so much and i always learn a little bit of english everytime i watch the videos!!!! Im showing your channel to the guys here in Brazil!!!
Bro I asked you to cover this band(s) on the CNCC vid, and HERE THE FUCK IT IS. Like wow thank you bro. Pizza hut could take some serious notes from you
I’m surprised more similarities aren’t drawn to Sleeping With Sirens. The formation of the band with Kellin coming from another band and having such a distinctive voice. The music between the two especially if you compare both debut albums is quite similar. It’s like you say though, Woe, Is Me don’t have choruses. So if you do like that band but you like your choruses… maybe try Sleeping With Sirens haha.
@@keaton_ Yo. I am a big fan of Broadway (Kingdoms Era). Care to expand on this split issue? Likewise, Back then I was surprised when I suddenly saw Jake Garland playing drums on Memphis May Fire lmao.
@@TheNitro95 A band that frequently played shows with Broadway, called Serra Velle, had this very popular song called “Victorious Secret”. They wrote and recorded it in 2009, and when they broke up in 2011, SWS ripped it for “If You Can’t Hang” - some of the guys from Serra Velle were pretty sure it was bc Mischa was a contender to replace their vocalist who was leaving, but since Fowler refuses to answer any questions about it, nobody really knows why he did it. Both songs are available on UA-cam and the dates confirm the timeline.
I just discovered your channel! I’ve always wondered what happened to this band!!! I was huge fan back in the day! My emo days good times! I subscribed &+ will watch the other 2 parts!
dude, i would love to talk music with you. This is like my entire teenage experience lol 2009-2016 i was in a local maryland band and just followed the scene daily. This channel brings back so many memories i thought i forgot. Glad to see im not the only one who enjoys just talking music
yooo i was wondering when you'd cover this! i was never really a fan of either band but i saw woe, is me in supporting PTV in 2013 and it was during their big lineup change/split - i remember there were members in the tour poster who where no longer in the band when i saw them xD
Tyler Carter and Jonny Craig were on top of this scene because every kid used autotune for cleans and the robotic voice got old - people will naturally gravitate to actual talent and skill
Man I’m not saying this to rush you or anything. I know these videos take time to make, from the research, to the scripting, the editing, and everything in between. But please make the next video! I love this series that you do and I’m stoked for the next one. As a formal metal core kid, it’s so nostalgic and fulfilling to watch these videos. Keep up the great work.
Growing up I was a huge We Came As Romans fan and my first concert ever was Rock Yourself to Sleep Tour. Crazy to think how long ago that was and everything that’s happened since!
Wow when I was in high school, woe,is me was a go to for good metal core. Not realizing how short the band lasted. And also issues just realized that 10/10 EP. And ironically the album genesis was the ending of woe is me. But I didn’t go back to woe, is me since new music and bands came out that caught my eye. May need to check out woe is me old stuff see what I was missing.
I saw WIM at their only italian show ever, touring with A Skylit Drive in October 2011. Their album Number[s] is still a favorite of mine to this day. Great video, can't wait for part 2. Keep it up!
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this channel is a public service! i love the cozy representative
Being from Atlanta I remember when Of Machines was big and that band had a fair share of drama behind anyone from the scene will know so I’m not surprised all this went the way it went then down into a ball of drama and fire
The 7 band billed tours needed to happen to be able to sell out the venues....LOL What a time to be alive back then,ig ....😂 I still think Genesis is my favorite album since it was Super Heavy!!! Which is more my style....
Cheyene Stokes was like the cult favorite hardcore band in my neck of metro Atlanta. I remember learning they had a connection to Woe, Is Me and was floored.
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Thank you so much for the shout out and the kind words, man!!! You killed it on this video! 🙌🏻❤️
aye lets goo!!
holy shit!!!! can't explain the number of views i used to give you dude hahahah. so nice to see you're still on your shit!!
Interview!
@@shanobian yes!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BVTV X REPRESENTATIVE INTERVIEW
@@gruffry Sorry for the super late reply here, but thank you so much!! That seriously means the world! ❤️
Your Woe, Is Me videos literally made them reunite. Michael Bohn just announced it today.
I wouldn't doubt it!
Great point about the lack of choruses! I think a lot of these bands were progressive and arty by accident- because they were kids who had no idea how to write songs, so they just strung together a bunch of parts that had nothing to do with each other.
Fancy seeing you here, my other favorite music channel!
I'm pretty sure they knew what they were doing. Several of their old bands had choruses. This was just the vibe back then.
Yoooo Finn!!!
Ew, a shill
Exactly the sort of patronizing, ignorant statement I'd expect from a businessman wannabe who's never created music in any capacity and only leeches off bands. "they were dumb kids who lucked into it" What a tone deaf thing to say.
Number[S] has aged pretty well and it holds up to this day. One of my favorite records of the 2010s metalcore. Not to mention, their Kesha's Tik Tok cover was incredibly good.
Bro it’s crazy how well it’s aged. It was def ahead of its time and current at the same time. The music doesn’t sound cheesy when you play it back 10 years later, like that fucking insane. Cant say that for many old post hardcore music
I remember listening to this when i was like 15 man. I knew it struck me differently than some other shit, Attack Attack Someday came suddenly comes to mind as similar. and couldn't agree more. I think a lot of these songs were a real step forward.
Breathe Carolina 🥺
And your content is way better than Kerrang, alternative press, etc.
Facts
you hit that on the head. especially alt press
Yessss please. I was a huge breathe Carolina Stan when I was 14-18 and they’re the reason I went to my first warped tour in 09
Fuck Breathe Carolina
Never never never stop doing this bro. You keep the past alive. My teenage/early 20’s thru your videos. You absolutely kill every docu/series
I'll never forget the day rise dropped woe is me and issues singles at the same time
Bro you finally did it! I lived through this whole era of Woe, Is Me I was a super fan of this band up until Tyler, Ben & Cory left. I just felt like it wasn't the same when Vengeance came out but I did enjoy the song though. I only saw WIM live once and that was the summer of 2010 and Number[s] wasn't even out yet and it was the original lineup as well.
some fun facts: in the opening track of Numbers[s] the song On Veiled Men has a line that says "for these hands like houses we'll protect you from this storm" which is a shoutout to the band Hands like Houses.
Emarosa, Woe, Is Me & Hands Like Houses were all recording music at Chango Studios at the same time which is how Jonny Craig had vocal features on the songs Desolate, The Conductor & Our Number[s] by Woe, Is Me. Tyler Carter & Jonny Craig have a vocal feature on the song Lion Skin by Hands Like Houses.
The three albums that were being recording simultaneously were the following:
Emarosa - self titled (2010)
Woe, Is Me - Number[s] (2010)
Hands Like Houses - Ground Dweller (2012)
EDIT: The reason why bands like Of Mice & Men and Woe, Is Me were able to get signed so quickly was due to both bands having members that were previously in bands that were signed to a record label. So pretty much they're already on a contract agreement with Rise so they have to fulfill the rest of the contract or possibly face legal consequences. That's why we saw so many ex-members of bands start a new project when they left whatever band they were in during the 2010s.
I didn't know that!! Hands like houses was my shiz back in the day.
One thing you do that I love is you not only accurately document a band’s career, but you pause to review each album individually. That has helped me to find appropriation for bands who I never got into back in the day, in real time.
I remember woe is me added me on MySpace way back in the day and I was excited to show the homies this new band. We watched them grow and get signed to rise and we knew they would come to our city because most rise records artist do and Michael bohn recognized us there out of everybody because we had made a video smoking to 1 of their songs ft Johnny Craig and the band was super cool. Fast forward we went to 2011 Warped tour and Tyler saw us and came up to us asking “wheres the weed at” and we went and smoked him out haha good times.
18:30 even in such an early interview you can feel the tension of Austin's and Tyler's massive egos competing with each other.
I was gonna say you can see Tyler DYING to be the only one talking the whole time 😂
The screamer of the drummers first band of machines just passed away. Rip
Yo WHAT?
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why?
@@gengashaunt3322 idk what he said but Bennett passed away last week bud.
What no way??
I never really got into Woe is Me but Issues definitely holds a special place in my heart! Sky was always so nice and they just had a unique sound. Their shows were always fun. My friend and I have matching black diamond tattoos inspired by their black diamonds EP🖤
I got to meet woe is me in 2011 but I didn’t meet issues til 2016 I think it was (after loving them for years) and you are so right. Sky was definitely the nicest person ever, Tyler following sky for most nice lol
Dude this is sick!! I have a funny story about Kevin also. I live north of Atlanta and right after woe is me split up, I saw Kevin working at a Polo Ralph Lauren store at a local outlet mall. I had to do a double take and was like, is that the guitarist from woe is me??? lol sure enough it was him. My girlfriend at the time even had a woe is me t shirt on. Was definitely shocking to see him working at the mall.
I'm glad you mentioned the absence of choruses on Number[s], first time I see someone else talk about it. The only repeating part I can think of is the "you're too far out, to swim your way in" on Hell or High Water.
Tim Sherrill's lead guitar work is also impressive, it sucks that there is very little clear footage of him playing the tapping parts, as far as I know, none of his successors ever played them live. You can also clearly tell that the guitar parts got a lot simpler when Andrew joined.
Ben's low screams deserve a mention too, they really added to their set back in the day. In fact I'm pretty sure his keyboard was just a stage prop, all he'd really do live was backup screaming.
What do you mean by tapping parts?
Also, yeah they lost two key players in the band early on with those two. Very underrated but important to the original, industrial sound of what was Woe, Is Me.
The album definitely feels like one long song. In a way, kind of like a fluid conceptual album without one single theme.
@@ReanuKeaves1 Tim has some pretty intricate lead guitar parts on the album (not quite DGD level, but still, they're pretty cool), and some of them are tapped, like on 2 parts of Delinquents. In case you don't know, tapping is a guitar technique where the guitarist has both hands on the fingerboard and thus doesn't strum the strings.
And yeah, I do feel like it could've been one long song, some of the tracks even segue into each other. They're also all in the same key, except for the last one.
@@FairyCRat Ahhhhh got it
Papa Cozy,
Pleassssee can we put A Skylit Drive on the short list of video topics? Jordan is a true OG and with the reformation and all of the drama surrounding it, I think a video would be interesting. Love you and your channel!
RIP Jordan
@@comquats101 I know... that seriously broke my heart.
Thank for doing this Woe Is Me/Issues story! A band I think that would be interesting to cover is Broadway. They’re super underrated and could’ve been up there with SWS and PTV.
my gf brought me here because she knows how much I like woe is me and issues btw your content is really well done🤟
15:55 without even looking at the screen, I knew Tyler wrote that. If you pay attention to his interviews and other promos he’s done, you start to see more and more signs of disillusion and “savior” complex grow over time
No shit huh, I didnt notice that. I knew it tyler too when I heard the first line.
Lead singer syndrome
actually the album does have a chorus: listen to Hell or High Water - there's a chorus on that song
I always called bands like Woe Is Me, Issues, Abandon All Ships, etc as “Jersey Core” because they all looked like they’d be on Jersey Shore
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From a current jersey resident, noooo the fuck they would not lmfao
@@phanton_of_the_WOPera I don’t see it either lmao. Jersey shore how?? 😂
Just seeing the name “Abandon All Ships” still makes me dry heave. So glad guidocore didn’t last long.
@@keaton_ there’s a guidcore?! 🤣
wow i love how deep you go in to stuff but holy hell i forgot about this band completely 😅
Ignoring the inner turmoil of this band and Tyler Carter being a groomer, I still play Number[s] on the reg. Just Great songs that bring back so many memories.
same
It was my gateway to metalcore. Still love it so much.
Yeah Number[s] is great, I listen to it regularly, too. What a record.
One thing I would love to own is Numbers on Vinyl, my all time favorite record
Same
I met Tyler in 2019 and we talked about why Number[s] had no choruses. He said that a certain member of the band (from Of Machines) hated choruses and said great music does not need a chorus. Also Tyler has a Number[s] tattoo behind his right ear.
Michael has the same tattoo. They might all have it actually. I used to think it was weird that the bands drummer was always front and center in their photoshoots, then the splits happened and it made sense. Lol
@@saviorofs0ng I'm sure you'll understand more if you watch all 3 videos Cozy puts out.
Basically their drummer Austin (from Of Machines) was very..."involved" with the direction of the band and their music, so much so that almost the entire band quit and started a new band, which he then wrote an entire album about before then getting kicked out of Woe is Me by his new bandmates for being so controlling.
Most bands have the vocalist[s] in the front of their photoshoots because they're the "face" of the band, hence "frontman". Austin being in front of everyone else basically implies that he's the face of the band, which isn't usually the case for a drummer.
Delinquents literally has one of the best choruses ever
The WIM dudes as well as the dudes in ISSUES are good friends of mine. They were actually on their way to my house when the situation occurred that the song "King of Amarillo" was written about. I know all the dirty deets.😬
Spill it
I remember hearing rumors of how controlling Austin was and how many conflicts there was in the band. Thanks for doing this video, I was super excited to see you covering it :)
I was at the "Of Machines" concert featured in the video and so many other Of Machine shows back in ATL at Swayze's and other venues and listen to that album front to back at least once a month and am still in touch with one of their guitarists. Such an incredible band. Was heartbroken to hear about Bennet's passing as well. I would've loved for that project to continue.
Number(s) will go down as one of the best metalcore albums when you or people like myself reflect on those days. 10/10 absolutely beautiful front to back. And the transitions? *chefs kiss* I wish Tyler wasn't a POS and the band got along so that we could actually see a reunion. Forever living on in memory
Rest in Peace Woe Is Me. Number[s] is still violently underrated imo
Great video! I'm gonna need a TDWP series
Can’t wait to watch this! You should do one on Enter Shikari 😁
As well as I wrestled a bear once, Of machines, alexisonfire, etc
OMG YES!!!!!!
@@gengashaunt3322 iwabo was so huge in its hay day
@@gengashaunt3322 can’t forget my favorite color either Dallas Green❤
One hit wonders 😳
Everyone of you videos unlocks a new suppressed high school memory for me!
Keep up the hard work bro! 👍
The boy Cozy! Giving the fans what they need!
Just finished it bro. Fantastic job!
Been waiting for this 🙏
Didn't mention the little Coheed bit from the acoustic Desolate clip. Also "what's up I'm Tyler... Carter?"
Man, I had just started getting into live music around 2011 and remember that warped tour so well. That was an amazing summer for me, and Woe, Is Me got me into a lot of other bands and broadend my tastes. I don't know if I would like a lot of the music I do now without them. Issues too. Despite all the drama with Tyler and the bands I still love all of this music. It's too bad the mighty ones have to fall, but my little scene emo boy heart will never die lmao.
It was never a phase bro. We may change and grow up, but our emo/scene soul won’t change. We’ll always be this way in some way or another.
Funny little memory of mine is being fresh out of high school and one of my friends was dating their tour manager at the time. We were hanging out on their bus outside the venue and I played my local post hardcore bands EP for them and Austin said it was trash lol. Good times. 😂
Oh shit that’s a fun memory. I recall a good friend of mine and I watching Tyler skateboard outside of warped tour one year while listening to a skylit drive play in the background lol. Was pretty cool
Was your friend also just out of high school? Cause in that case yuck. Scene sicko strikes again.
@@neighborhoodmusicsnob5517 nah she was 20 and he was like 22 or 23.
I always loved Of Machines. Only got to see them live once. It would be cool to see you make a video on them
Excellent work. Would love to see you breakdown the career of Broadway. You mentioned them a couple times throughout this video and it warmed my heart. They are my favorite post hardcore band
This was 40 minutes??? Every single video of yours seems so much shorter, and I'm always surprised when you start to wrap up. Keep up the greatness, Cozy!
Oh man, your channel reminds me how ridiculous this era was. So many bands back then would splinter into handfuls of other bands that putter out quietly. Of machines was being seen as the next big band up and coming for a minute there. It was them, inaviate, and the color morale. Then of machines and inaviate dissolved and the color morale had a sophomore slump. Anyways, of machines became woe is me, became issues and the bro version of woe is me. Tyler Carter did solo stuff, then issues. Woe is me died and favorite weapon and cursed sails were a thing for a short time. Issues kicked Mike and wild heart happened. Can't forget scouts solo stuff too. Seriously... What was this era of music?
I mean, you said oceana which reminded me of their split and them becoming polyenzo, while the screamer formed decoder with the first versa emerge vocalist before they rebranded as lead hands and got sued into oblivion.
Speaking of, that first versa singer would be an interesting video. Versa emerge, decoder, and makari all had him for a short time and it seemed to be drama. Haha
Woe Is Me is a lot like Attack Attack in that way. Austin got kicked out, started Of Mice & Men, Shayley left them and started Dayshell.
Then Johnny Franck left and started The March Ahead and later Bilmuri.
Then Attack Attack broke up, Caleb started Beartooth, the Andrews started Nativ Then brought back AA a year or two ago.
Before Woe was Cheyene Stokes. From ATL, GA. They stayed at my house and played a show with my old band The Summer Arrival.
Number[s] holds a special place in my heart. Tyler's R&B vocals merged the music I grew up with and the music I was choosing to listen to.
My anecdote about WIM is seeing them at Warped Tour in Orlando 2011. Legit the day after, WIM cancelled the rest of their shows on the tour. Little did I know I'd see the last WIM show with Tyler. Shame how his story turns out in the end.
THEY'RE CPMING BACK LET'S GOOO
2008-2012 the the 5-8 band tours were the best get there at 5 be there till midnight...now its like 3 bands and it takes 20min between each set...back then it was like 10minutes tops nmbetween bands. Venues got lazy and refuse to let those huge tours happen anymore.
Woe is backkk
Numbers is an incredible album and their guitarist was Tim Sherrill was a big part of that.
True, but i think Cory Ferris and Ben Ferris has a bigger impact on the Woe Is Me sound than Tim Sherrill has, just look at Vengeance and Fame > Demise, even without Tim Sherrill that song still has the "unique" sound Woe Is Me has, and when they left, the band just turned into a really boring chug chug Fest with generic br00tal breakdowns
PLEASE do Of Machines next if you could. it shouldnt be a super long video given their limited history lol, but 120% relevant to this video & a lot of other bands you've already covered as well.
Yesssssss!!! Cozy listens to the little people!!! You got on it ASAP since the last video. One of my current favorite UA-camrs. Always takes me back brother. Keep up the grind!
My next request is Hit The Lights!
i love hit the lights super underrated!!!
Skip school start fights literally one of my favorite albums ever
@@ToTheWolvesTony Yup, it’s literal pop punk perfect. So is This Is A Stick Up. I’d even say Invicta is an amazing album, despite reactions. Not sure how well it aged with fans but I loved it from the beginning. Such an underrated band. Sucks they aren’t as active anymore. Think Invicta was the beginning of the end for them.
@@ToTheWolvesTony dude every song is so good on that album
@@ReanuKeaves1 I really do not know of any fans of that band personally so glad to meet someone finally. That album along with the woe, is me #'s album and others at the time changed the game for me as far as music I listen for and what I like to hear in my ears. Before that it was simply the 60's-90's classics and whatever MTV was showing. Never would've picked up a metal album if it wasn't for some of these bands along with the media outlets that popularized all of it at the time. Proud to say I'll always be a scene kid/emo at heart.
First thing I thought of was my back thanks the fact there aren’t 7 band shows now. I remember going to like a 3 hour show with 8 bands or something and moshing all through it then getting up for school the next day. My whole body aches just thinking about doing that now lol I’m old as fuck!
Not that this is a significant part of the video, but that first Emarosa EP was something else! Way above average and way underrated!
That would be amazing to hear about the story of Of Machines! No one in UA-cam did it
Cozy never disappoints and has always been-10/10 content creator
Bunch of nostalgia from this. Thank you!
Number[s] being 10 tracks long but only 29 minutes was so crazy to me. It’s a short listening journey that was such a great record of that era.
You're so awesome, bro. Showing everyone new and old all these bands and being a cartographer for the culture. You are the MAN
Really anticipating part 2. I didn’t learn about woe, is me until after Tyler crate had left & they released genesis. Going back I remember listening and loving Number[S] but wasn’t into issues initially. That took me a bit but once I heard the debut self titled I loved them. These guys were something unique
Please consider doing A skylit Drive!
A true man of the people for expediting this topic for us. Been waiting for this one for a bit and didnt disappoint.
I hope you cover all the spinoff bands too like Favorite Weapon, Wildheart, etc in part 3 or 4
favorite weapon was tight
The Villa
Would chapel be on the third spin off😋
@@Donny214 Ooh never knew that existed. We're going deeper into the Woe, Is Me Iceberg now haha
@@Donny214 chapel?
These guys were HYPE when they popped up. Everyone was copying their open string breakdowns when Numbers came out😅
I absolutely loved Of Machines and Woe is Me at the same time and had no idea they were so similar, lineup-wise
Holy shit. I’m in the video of them at the White Rabbit swinging 😂
woe, is me is still one of my favorite bands😭🤣🤣
Dude your channel is CRIMINALLY underrated!! I personally wanna thank you for the work you put into the journalism and bringing us fans of these bands from back in the day these stories and telling us what went down!!!! Great stuff
I saw the comments asking for this so when I saw this was posted I just smiled and clicked 😊
Thanks my guy!
Fun fact: I went to middle and high school with a lot of the guys from WIM/ISSUES I saw A Path Less Traveled and Chayne Stokes so many times.Its wild how they blew up because literally no one in our scene liked them. Everyone thought both bands were super lame. L
Anyway, they become Woe Is Me and are immediately on warped tour. I saw them as a local band literally once as Woe Is Me and thought "this is the same APLTish bullshit. Lame" but I was so wrong lol
Those were good times tho. Those bands played so many great local shows back in the day. I saw Chayne Stokes and Attila play in my home town church ran venue called The Movement in Loganville, Georgia. I'm talking 2007 to 2010. Our little scene was actually producing huge stuff and we had no idea. Never imagined when I was 19/20 I'd be in my 30s watching this on UA-cam.
Please do a video covering Isetmyfriendsonfire! Experimental and a wild story.
20:26 haha the dude wearin an elysia shirt at a woe is me show is so funny to think about
I know folks always do this but I'm curious if you're ever going to do a Rise and fall, and Rise again of Underoath? They definitely deserve some love!
Honestly, I'm so happy that you do these .
Thought it was kinda silly. At first, you broke down things like this .. yet I really credit you now & love the content. It's always a good listen & watch ! Thank you
Oh Snap....I gotta send this to Brian Medley bahahah. He played bass for WIM at the end in the Genesis era.
Interesting !
I never got into Woe Is Me, but I love Issues 🙌🙌
I'm from San Antonio, TX.
Now and days, The White Rabbit Venue is now called the Paper Tiger
The era of tappy slidey leads over a breakdown with high pitched singing was so hilariously and exactly replicated across the entire scene in this era. I didn't realize it back then. Looking back, it's hilarious.
Cozy i LOVE your work so much and i always learn a little bit of english everytime i watch the videos!!!! Im showing your channel to the guys here in Brazil!!!
Bro I asked you to cover this band(s) on the CNCC vid, and HERE THE FUCK IT IS. Like wow thank you bro. Pizza hut could take some serious notes from you
Hey Cozy, I interviewed Hance about 2 years ago. We had touched upon the beef between WIM and Issues. If you want the wav file let me know!
Of Machines was sick. I had no idea they were a building block of Woe, Is Me
"Avengers: Endgame is the greatest fan service ever made"
Cozy: "Hold my coffee"
Woe, is me is the endless multiverse of madness
I’m surprised more similarities aren’t drawn to Sleeping With Sirens. The formation of the band with Kellin coming from another band and having such a distinctive voice. The music between the two especially if you compare both debut albums is quite similar. It’s like you say though, Woe, Is Me don’t have choruses. So if you do like that band but you like your choruses… maybe try Sleeping With Sirens haha.
Especially Jack Fowler coming from Broadway and ripping off another band bc Mischa left Broadway and nearly joined said ripped off band lol
@@keaton_ Yo. I am a big fan of Broadway (Kingdoms Era). Care to expand on this split issue? Likewise, Back then I was surprised when I suddenly saw Jake Garland playing drums on Memphis May Fire lmao.
@@TheNitro95 A band that frequently played shows with Broadway, called Serra Velle, had this very popular song called “Victorious Secret”. They wrote and recorded it in 2009, and when they broke up in 2011, SWS ripped it for “If You Can’t Hang” - some of the guys from Serra Velle were pretty sure it was bc Mischa was a contender to replace their vocalist who was leaving, but since Fowler refuses to answer any questions about it, nobody really knows why he did it.
Both songs are available on UA-cam and the dates confirm the timeline.
I just discovered your channel! I’ve always wondered what happened to this band!!! I was huge fan back in the day! My emo days good times! I subscribed &+ will watch the other 2 parts!
dude, i would love to talk music with you. This is like my entire teenage experience lol 2009-2016 i was in a local maryland band and just followed the scene daily. This channel brings back so many memories i thought i forgot. Glad to see im not the only one who enjoys just talking music
yooo i was wondering when you'd cover this! i was never really a fan of either band but i saw woe, is me in supporting PTV in 2013 and it was during their big lineup change/split - i remember there were members in the tour poster who where no longer in the band when i saw them xD
Omfg ! This is an amazing find! One of my favorite bands ever
Tyler Carter and Jonny Craig were on top of this scene because every kid used autotune for cleans and the robotic voice got old - people will naturally gravitate to actual talent and skill
dude. it's the myspace screenshots that make this for me
Tried to contact Case about getting A Path Less Traveled back on Spotify. It's an amazing release!
Man I’m not saying this to rush you or anything. I know these videos take time to make, from the research, to the scripting, the editing, and everything in between. But please make the next video! I love this series that you do and I’m stoked for the next one. As a formal metal core kid, it’s so nostalgic and fulfilling to watch these videos. Keep up the great work.
Growing up I was a huge We Came As Romans fan and my first concert ever was Rock Yourself to Sleep Tour. Crazy to think how long ago that was and everything that’s happened since!
Wow when I was in high school, woe,is me was a go to for good metal core. Not realizing how short the band lasted. And also issues just realized that 10/10 EP. And ironically the album genesis was the ending of woe is me. But I didn’t go back to woe, is me since new music and bands came out that caught my eye. May need to check out woe is me old stuff see what I was missing.
I saw WIM at their only italian show ever, touring with A Skylit Drive in October 2011. Their album Number[s] is still a favorite of mine to this day. Great video, can't wait for part 2. Keep it up!
this channel is a public service! i love the cozy representative
This is one of my favourite music channels. Keep going dude!
I’m seeing them tonight in tampa and I’m gonna fucking cry honestly
Idk if I was there but I wish I was. I basically lived at The White Rabbit in high school and that was a satisfying moment to see
Being from Atlanta I remember when Of Machines was big and that band had a fair share of drama behind anyone from the scene will know so I’m not surprised all this went the way it went then down into a ball of drama and fire
The 7 band billed tours needed to happen to be able to sell out the venues....LOL What a time to be alive back then,ig ....😂
I still think Genesis is my favorite album since it was Super Heavy!!! Which is more my style....
That unconventional songwriting structure was made prominent by Underoath. Just wanted to throw that out there cause they’re my favorite band.
Yes! Excited to watch this one, I didn't really listen to Woe Is Me until well after Issues started so I'm stoked for the Cozy deep dive on them.
Cheyene Stokes was like the cult favorite hardcore band in my neck of metro Atlanta. I remember learning they had a connection to Woe, Is Me and was floored.