In yesterday's IndyCar qualifying Felix Rosenqvist posted a lap time of 1:45:454. That's more than 5 seconds faster than the IndyCar lap shown in this video.
Tim O'Glock Colton Herta won the race at COTA today, 18 year old Rookie. The racing I saw today irl was nothing like the right side of the video haha i wish this could be updated, makes indy look slow
and 15 seconds slower than the 2018 Hamilton Mercedes F1 ... I heard from experts, that the F1 2019 will be faster than 4 seconds in the 2018 vehicle counters. so it is possible that the F1 car can achieve a lap time of 1 minute and 27 or 28 seconds ..wooooooow
@@chibixxmoon Because Indy is slow in comparison with F1 You just can't compare... You just have to see that the drivers that can't succeed in F1 end up in Indy... That doesnt tell you nothing? Bourdais is a 4 time Champion of the Champ Car. He went to F1 and did nothing. Alexander Rossi was also in the F1 and I dont remember nothing of him, but here he is a star...
Marcos Casado so they are good enough to drive in formula one for a few seasons which would make them one of the top 20 drivers in the world but as soon as they move to Indy they suck? F1 is all about the car. Thy never had good enough ride in F1. They became stars in Indy because it is a spec series where the cars are on a much more level playing field. Their true driving skills show through.
reminds me of a video where an f1 driver and a nascar driver switched places, the nascar driver said it was the most intense experience ever, the F1 driver said it was fun
@@TwoLotus2 And a Nascar driver would fall unconscious after the first corner in a Grand Prix considering F1 drivers experience similar Gs to Fighter Pilots
Decent. Yeah, Verstappen in Q3 went 1.47.765 with Latifi lapping at 2.21.611 for Q1, split at 33.846, almost double the time here. And if you factor in that the quali lap for Indy was 5 seconds faster, that knocks it down to 12. Verstappen almost tripled it. Granted resurfacing and cold temps. But yeah, Turkey was not pretty, threw everyone's average gap over teammate stats right out the window. The average distance from pole to P20 as of post Turkey was 5.198 seconds, before that it was only 2.918. 2020 has been a banger!
John McKenzie indycar is only hated on because of napcar soiling America’s Motorsport name. Indycar is very different from F1 and the main reason why I don’t like interacting with 80% of F1 fans is because they think f1 is soooooo much better than anything else. F1s and indys dont even look that similar but u go on and watch cocomellon Mr.BigBoy.
I think the worst part about IndyCar is the massive inferiority complex the fans have when it comes to anything to do with Formula 1. Go on almost any IndyCar video and the comments are literally filled with people reassuring themselves and each other over and over that "IndyCar is so much better than F1 because....". I don't get it. You're allowed to like IndyCar guys. You don't need to validate it. Just because Formula 1 cars are faster on a track doesn't make IndyCar any better or worse it's just a simple comparison of 2 different series. I'd love to see them stick a stock car on this track and compare that too. Both of these cars would destroy a stock car on a road course, that doesn't mean NASCAR sucks. Summary of the pep talk: it's OK to be an IndyCar fan. Nobody is judging you just because Formula 1 cars are faster. Feel better?
Are you joking? 90% of the live stream chat from this very test, are filled of F1 fans saying stupid shit about Indycar. You can even go see it for yourself.
The F1 fans are by far the worst of the two fanbases, go to any IndyCar post on WTF1 or livestream and all the comments from F1 are just stupid ignorant shit because they think they´re some sort of elitist fanbase, which is not true. The one thing that should be commen sense when you compare F1 to Indy is that any sane Motorsport fan who wants to se a good race with good on track action where the driver is the most important part should pick to watch an IndyCar race over a F1 race any day.
Hai sbagliato completamente il discorso. 1 La Indycar per i circuiti stradali e mini Speedway è configurata come una vettura di F1 e una vettura di F2 o GP2. Quella che non c'entra niente con la F1, F2. GP2 e Indycar per i circuiti stradali, è la Indycar in configurazione per correre sugli Ovali e Super Spedway, questa vettura non ha appendici aerodinamiche di alto carico e ha un telaio assimmetrico per viaggiare in circolo.
It is fun to compare the cars. I enjoy it and I'm a huge fan of both disciplines, including Nascar, drag racing or two snails running across the floor. I'll watch 'em because it's racing. I watch every one of those series when they are on TV. I follow them all. I hope we all can enjoy all racing for what it's worth: entertainment. The incredible acceleration and track stickiness of F1 cars, the insane 235+ MPH top speed of the Indy cars, the sound and excitement of 40+ Nascars tearing around tracks, the slickness of E-racing and the TT on the Isle of Mann. What we see are drivers with huge testicles and skill that we dream of having. We are in awe. Let's not negatively compare the series to each other. Ironically the two drivers shown here in this clip are my favorites from their respective series.
@@quintenzappe3412 I meant f1 with not knowing who is going to win! Max and Hamilton are battling it out let alone Perez, Lando, and Bottas in the mix.
it's huge. really it's a huge difference. Even late 90s F1 is faster than modern Indycar. The McLaren MP4/13 did a run at laguna seca like 10 months ago and it was 1 second faster than pole position in Indycar's race there, and that was with the MP4/13 not being pushed 100% for obvious reasons, not being in the same fresh state it was 24 years ago and not having era-representative soft tires. It could easily go 3 to 4 seconds faster than modern Indycar. F1 is crazy
or if were gonna do the f1 comparison, have ericsons laps side by side, one his lap from f1 last year and 1 from indy this year. It'd be cool to see the same driver in 2 different cars.
@@dbman992 That's actually a good idea. I'd bet the pole lap from the IndyCar race will be faster than race pace laps from backmarkers in F1. That's not saying F1 isn't impressive, it's just the context that you compare the two that matters and people on here seem to have no idea what context means.
@@cosmic_drew - Are you kidding me? So-called "backmerkers" in F1 are usually about 3 or 4 seconds per lap off the front-runners at worst, depending on the circuit. That Indycar was still a good 10 seconds or so off the backmarkers' race pace. In what universe does that equate to "keeping up" with F1 cars?
Me too. Long time IndyCar fan, so biased of course. But I hope those that have been to the F1 race come out and see this and get into the Paddock. I think they will be blown away by how close they can get, and how approachable, friendly and personable the teams are. It's just so much more fun.
I'm a huge F1 fan, but IndyCars look so good, even with the new Aero screen. The racing is great too, epically the road and street circuits. Road America is and awesome track!
Yes. The aeroscreens don't really bother me like I thought they might. Especially after the crash at Iowa, I think they were a good idea. Sounds like the extra air duct is helping with cockpit temps too. Mid Ohio this weekend.!!
Thanks for putting together this interesting comparison. The F1 brakes later and carries a lot more corner speed. I don't see why every one wants to make it a D measuring contest. It's an interesting conversation to see how these 2 very different animals compare in speed and resulting time. Would love to see something like this for the early '90s when CART was at its peak technologically.
Don't think there were any crossover tracks with 90's CART, but in 2006 Champcar pole at Montreal was 1:20, F1 was 1.15. Different everything, but that was the last closest comparison at a race weekend.
I wish these sports mingled more. It's awesome to see the technical prowess F1 has but I'd love to see F1's drivers all set up in indycars, just spec, to see who's really the best of the best.
@@di_aqua right, it’s a spec series though. Certain teams will still have advantages due to setup knowledge and experience but the equipment is in theory the same.
I give IndyCar drivers massive credit for wrestling those things around a track, it doesn’t look easy. Compare that to Lewis’ car going precisely wherever he points it
Its because F1 drivers don't have to push their cars to the limit, the difference usually is several hundreds of second while in IndyCar all cars are equal and drivers go over the limit to win.
Isn't this pretty much what everyone expected? We already knew F1 cars were immensely faster. It'll be more interesting to compare race/qualifying lap times but it's expected there's going to be an enormous gap.
man this comment section is cancer. Indycar isn't supposed to be faster than F1. It's supposed to be an open wheel spec series that runs both road courses and oval courses. Beyond both being open wheel, the two are nothing alike, they are designed for two completely different calendars. It's like comparing LMP1 to Formula E, absolutely stupid.
IndyCar is faster on ovals...much faster...Two different types of cars & races and most everyone on here is turning this faulty comparison in some sort of European victory over America..Show me the comparison on an American Oval track...IndyCar would destroy F1. .. The oldest, fastest, most attended Motor race in the world...The Racing Capital of the World.. The Largest sporting venue in the world...The Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Indianapolis 500 Mile Race ...Facts...Look it all up on Google
@@richarddobson3138 that's pretty much an extension of what I just said so idk why you're saying this like I would disagree with you. Indycar is faster on oval, F1 is faster on road. Neither of those two things matter, what's important is the racing. No point in caring how fast they're going if the racing sucks as much as F1 does.
Indycar program costs around $10 million, F1 $135 million. Sort of makes sense which is the faster machine. F1 is the pinacle of racing but I much prefer the competitiveness and balance of IndyCar - makes for a better viewing experience.
@@m.a.i7324 do you realize a large part of indycars audience is in oceania and scandinavia? Indycar has lots of international drivers. Most americans care more about nascar. I only like indycar because its better racing, not because its american. You never know who's gonna win an indycar race.
@@nathanforrest7606 It's the downforce. The sheer force the car generates at speed keeps it stuck to the road like its on rails. If you see them take some of the famous chicanes in person, it actually looks physically impossible.
I knew that once Indy was on COTA, everyone would be arguing and comparing the two because they are open wheel cars and at the top of their respective ladders. Yes Indy is slower. Yes F1 is basically the absolute pinnicle of technilogical achievement. Yes Champcar was faster with more than 1000 hp, but why argue what's better...it's completely moot. Two completely different cars with two completely different rulesets. Racing is awesome! We all love it. It uses the same physics. Some are slower, some are faster, some are about technology and engineering and some are about the human user. Watch autocross, it's so frickin' fun to watch, and it is slow as fuck, but it's racing and that's what it's all about. Now if Indy and F1 had a series weekend together, that would be amazing...who's got the financial backing here to make that happen? Comon!
Montreal or Indy GP would be good for that in their respective dates. Indy GP would be in early May and build hype for the Indy 500 and Montreal is Canadian.
@@quattro4468 haha...yup, that's what we say. I will say though, I do enjoy the second tier racing more however, plus, the second tier racing series comes to my neighbourhood once a year and I can just walk right into the paddocks as the teams are setting up and touch those second tier cars...so I might be a little biased for second tier racing...I'm not a hypocrite. :)
Algman Algmania Only 750? Yeah dude, they also weigh 725kg, don’t have a hybrid system, are built to take punishment and last through several events, and In what world is that slow?
@@joshcorvette Indycar engines last only 4 races F1 teams are only allowed to race 3 power units for a entire season of 21 races, that makes it 7 races per engine.
That’s the biggest problem with Indycar, they need more horsepower. Late 90s CART was epic to watch because they were ~1000HP. It made your balls tingle watching them race. Now they look boring.
Because this video is about comparison of laptimes at COTA, that is, who is fater at COTA. And people saying F1 is faster here are merely stating a fact. Which sport is better or more entertaining is not the subject of this video. And if people want to debate that, then that's their own fault.
I have watched both for 15 or so years. Indy car is just more interesting to watch because shit just happens. You know the most interesting part of watching racing, the passing attempts and because of that is why I love watching Indycars so much.
The 90’s CART were a lot closer to F1, because there were 3 different chassis (Reynard, Lola, Penske) 3 different motor (Mercedes, Honda, Ford) and two different tires (Firestone, Goodyear) It was real competition.
The closest margin between them was in the 50s. I mean, F1 used to run the Indy 500 as a FIA WC race, and Indy cars just outclassed F1 cars all decade long Then again, when did IndyCar series start again?
@@paulortnakamura2968 lol I watched half of 80's and all 90's and cant remember that awesomeness you are talking about. Even stats prove now you have way more overtakes than back in 80's or 90's
@@jlm5078 CART also had the Eagle chassis and Toyota engine during the 90's. Plus Penske modified their Reynard chassis to the point it was referred to as the Reynske.
That's not the argument..The argument is that IndyCar has a faster top speed on an oval and they run at that speed the whole race...IndyCar would destroy F1 car on oval track...Fact.. Yes F1 are far more advanced... But for 500 miles without lifting IndyCar would win...Period
The disrespect all these “F1” fans have for Indy is gross. The machinery may not be up to par but don’t disrespect the league. It’s the same league F1 champion Fernando Alonso tried to just waltz into and ended getting lapped and finishing 21st in the Indy 500.
coz hes an european and so not familiar with the weird shit your constructors call "cars". Even Toyota prototypes from WEC would teach your "Indy Cars" a lesson coming up to a real racing circuit and not oval racing or however you guys call that bs in which even a 10 y old girl could win.
@@ilovebeer420 the budgets between WEC F1 and indy car are completely different. Not to mention that indy car is a spec series. And I don’t think you have any idea how much skill required to get a NASCAR up to speed around an oval. European F1 fans are so are arrogant
@@coltonthomas6162 I mean kimi raikkonen did insanely well on the first day driving Nascar and remember he drove against the real Nascar league on the first fucking day he drove one so idk what you want but Nascar certainly not harder than f1 or indycar
I enjoy watching F1, IndyCar, MotoGP, NASCAR, and practically all kinds of motorsports. They're all unique in their own ways, no need to compare and rank which is the best and worst
Indycar is a better sport to watch for fans and more enjoyable racing but F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport. I enjoy both. As a long time F1 fan though I think it’s going in the wrong direction with so many things and I’d rather watch indycar at this point.
@@themarketm8382 it's all to please motor companies. F1 doesn't really care much for sustainability. They've recently added races in countries with lots of oil after all. The thing is cars are either going electric or hybrid. However, to keep an ice engine, they'd have to use sustainable fuels to run them. Companies like Mercedes, Porsche and Toyota have been very vocal about sustainability in their projects. With their fuel, F1 would be making a lot of money. Another thing is the low emission V6s with hybrid systems are developed so car manufacturers can make more efficient engines. Going back to V10s (or V8s, which I prefer) would mean falling out with all of these companies who are looking for sustainability and efficiency. Believe it or not, this trend is mostly for economic benefits. As much as I like the push towards sustainability, F1 isn't doing it for moral reasons Edit: also, another thing is it would likely cost manufacturers a lot money to redevelop V8s/V10s, which is a fair point. At the moment, Renault, Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda have similar engines. They wouldn't wanna risk another team having an enormous advantage through engine development, like Mercedes in 2014
Comparing Hamilton's 2018 pole lap and a IndyCar preseason testing lap is absurd from the start. Considering the triple digit million dollar budget differences for just one F1 team, IndyCar produces an incredible racing machine and franchise. 231 MPH pole speed for the 2020 Indy 500 is jaw dropping and I'm pretty sure an F1 car wouldn't be competitive at Indy because they're hybrids and rely on energy harvesting to replenish their battery and at Indy it's flat out, very little braking. I watch and love both series. They are 2 different animals, both exceptional at what they do.
Na realidade as pessoas confundem velocidade em retas , com performance,a F indy tem uma velocidade final maior porque o carro é projetado pra correr basicamente em oval, agora isso não é sinônimo carro mais rápido,o F 1 é projetado pra correr o mais rápido possível em um determinado espaço de tempo, então isso o torna a máquina mais rápida e perfeita das pistas mundiais por isso nenhuma categoria do mundo chega perto em performance 🤔
Keep in mind that Indycar dosen't have power steering or the downforce as a F1 car has. Which means cornering at 100mph in a Indycar is more harder than a F1 car.
Because IndyCar drivers and races are better, and F1 fans just can't take it by definition. The best are the fans who are fans of both series they understand limitations and respect all.
For simple perspective Indycar speeds around a balanced circuit are almost exactly equal to f2. 17 seconds a lap slower is going to get lapped every 6 laps. 17 seconds is such a big margin that no matter how much you analyse it they are two different worlds, from the fastest teams to the slowest the difference is massive. If F1 raced ovals then the top end would also be higher, it's clearly not beneficial on any f1 circuit so they just don't need it.
Of course F1 will be faster. It is an unlimited budget series with an emphasis on cutting edge technology. IndyCar is a spec series. The question is, which will provide a better, more exciting race at COTA? My money is on IndyCar. It's painful to say it, but the the utter lack of competitiveness in F1 has made its races a predictable, colossal bore. All the excitement of watching paint dry.
It’ll be interesting to see how much better a qualifying lap would be for indycar. I love both for different reasons, and it’s awesome to see them compared
F1 with Ham feels like sliding and waving thru the corners Indy feels like a rough potatoe bouncing and fighting their way in. I've got to bring more respect to these drivers.
F1 is the pinnacle of global motorsport, Indy Car is a national series, for a national series they're absolutely rapid. Not many other nations have their own single seater formula that can hold a candle to F1. Maybe Formula Nippon in Japan only.
I am just glad to finally see a good comparison between the two cars. Now, let's see an F1 racecar take some laps around the oval at Indy. Would love to see those lap times.
I appreciate this is 3 years after you made this comment, but doesn’t Indy use different spec of cars for the oval tracks compared to normal tracks? Or has that happened since making this comment?
Many of the "F1 is better" comments are probably really Europe vs USA. Europeans are exposed to F1 mostly & Americans are exposed to Indy and NASCAR mainly,we can all enjoy both sports regardless of your country.
lap times dont matter in tv broadcast. the public want to see real spectacle, car to car racing. in f1 only matter the constructor of the car, its a engineering race, not a drivers championship
@@denmark39 actually they don't. they geared for the track they race, as is the downforce. Montoya had a top speed of 370kmh at Immola in a williams, and could have gone faster if a longer straight. So your assumption is wrong!
Victor Graca it was a Williams BMW back then when F1 cars were slimmer. Today’s top speed is lower but cornering speed is much higher. Montoya’s BMW would do poorly on a medium and low speed tracks. Also: The current IndyCar Series car top speed is approximately 235-240 mph (378-386 km/h) on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway oval layout only.
@@denmark39 F1 have much better aerodynamics, more engine-power and less weight, so it´s how Victor Garcia already wrote just a question of gearbox, it would be no problem for a F1 to go way over 400 Kmh on a oval.. at the end a comparison don´t make sens because F1 is simply much much more expensive, that´s why the performance is better. ps. sorry for my bad English.
Ce ZyTa not the UK package the UK version is more powerful and delivers a bigger load then the German package the rafale was tested against in most cited sources
I like both because they are different. Being different offers different driving experience ... as a humble simracer though. Instead of having more of the same thing better I have two nice different things.
Look at how much harder to drive the IndyCar is. The driver is giving constant corrections round the corners and is even having to steer on the straights. Hamilton can just point the F1 car where he wants it and it sticks. Would like it if F1 cars became more difficult to drive again, even if it meant they were slower.
Just saying, having a car fight you isn't a sign of it being difficult to drive; but the signs of forgiveness and flexibility at the cars limits. F1 cars have a tendency to look like they are on rails until they just snap out. This is due to downforce, not the car just easily turning corners. In reality, F1 fights the drivers all the time. A big part of F1 is per-race setup on a car design/package that is bespoke to that constructor. Hamilton has a very smooth racing style with a long-rake Mercedes and spent the entire weekend dialling in the car's setup to his perfection to pull off a close to perfect qualy lap. A short rake car might looks a lot more twitchy, such as Max Verstappen in his Red Bull.
F1 is a special animal. That extra little bit of aggression and speed it has over indy is like the difference between MLS and British Premier League soccer. That little bit makes all the difference.
Watch the drivers hands, as Senna said after his Indycar test. It’s nice to be in control and to drive a car again as opposed to managing a computer. I’ve said it for years. Put F1 drivers in Indy Cars with F1 liveries on F1 tracks and watch the sparks fly. That’s the sport we want.
You cannot compare F1 and Indycar with each other because they are two different disciplines with their own character and identity. I've been following F1 for 20 years, but as a true racing fan, I think an Indycar race on an oval is also beautiful to see because there are so many other tactics and skills involved
"there are so many other tactics and skills involved " that's just false XD .. you do not have to come up with bs reasons to justify your love for indycar..you are allowed to love it..believe it or not XD
@@theread3480 see.. your condescending and overused line that the other person knows "literally" nothing about oval racing might work on others... but it doesn't work on me...so pipe down mate
Little unfair since Indycar is just in testing. I'd imagine once they run qualifying they will be around 15 seconds slower. However I'd exchange slower cars for better racing all day everyday. Fan of both, but there no doubt which one requires more driver input to drive
Fan of both as well and last season Indycar had some great racing and one of the best overtakes I have seen in any racing series happened during the long beach race, definitely one of the must watch championships for all race fans. Also, a car requiring more driver input to drive could indicate an issue with drive ability which is based on a number of factors from setup, to driver's driving style to chassis/engine design. Looking at it the rear of that Indycar seemed very loose every time the driver got on the power which could be dealt with with a setup adjustment and then it would require less steering input to manage. It also looks like the Indycar has less power steering and steering damping than the F1 car so all the little bumps are much more noticeable but this is expected since Indycars generate less downforce so less force resisting steering inputs.
@@torque2802 They were talking about significant tire fall off after only 2 or 3 laps. I hope Firestone can conjure up a compound and the setups get more dialed to make it more stable on race weekend.
F1 cars in 2019 configuration are moore faster and put to go under 1: 30 seconds in qualilfy and 1:34 or 1:35 seconds in Race at COTA this year. Indycar put to go at maximum in 1:44 senconds in qualify and 1:47 seconds in Race.
Cool. Nicely done. Always good to see where they're at. Not much has changed in terms of F1 circuit supremacy, just as I'm sure not much has changed with IndyCar oval supremacy. I do like the look of those super speedway rear wings.
@@ryanmazumder4535 Im agreeing with you. Most of it is just ignorance or euro-fanboying without knowing even what the DW12 is. Then again, most of them wouldn't know who Dan Wheldon was either.
It certainly looks like the specs on the F1 machines make for more speed through turns, more rapid deceleration under braking, I couldn't tell about top straight line speed. The tires on the F1 cars looked like they put substantially more rubber on the track surface which would make a huge difference on a road surface for all three dynamic situations, acceleration, breaking and turning. I suspect the F1 cars might STILL have an advantage on an oval like Indianapolis, but maybe the gap would be less? A track like COTA is the natural habitat of the F1 technology, everything tailored made for that. The F1 stuff does look more demanding to drive, so it's hard to argue that their drivers aren't the very best. But the "space program" budgets of the F1 teams....wow! I suppose Indycar could spec up their machines and be as quick as F1, but that might not make for better racing for venues like the ovals. Would it compromise safety running F1 specs on ovals? I don't know. No reason not to love Indycar racing though. "Gentlemen (and and sometimes Ladies)....Start your Engines!" (I'm old school, sorry)
These Comments make me question why we watch racing..? It’s to be entertained... and frankly, IndyCar is consistently way more entertaining from the drop of the green flag to the white flag...
It's taken a great deal of time but IndyCar is almost back to those days. The cars are a handful to drive, the competition is fiercer than it has been, they're going back to iconic tracks, and soon they will be back to 1000HP which is a major plus.
I gave up on indycar after Dan Wheldons death, was a big fan of him and it was really sad to see. I watch it from time to time if its on but dont follow it as much as i used too.
No actually, the races are closer with far more finishing and finishing on the lead lap...I've been to 35 straight Indy 500s...The last 10 years overall were better than the 80s but the media hoopla isnt what it used to be...Hopefully Mr Penske will change that
The Indycar reminds me of F1 during the Schumacher era. Fast on the straights, a lot to handle on the corners. I feel like that allows a skill gap to emerge between drivers. I like it.
really ? just watch Verspatten 's Honda lunching on 2 of those, turn one, mexican gp 2021. Also, give me a Honda Accord any day over any german money pit crapbox.. (Actually I ride a cheap Chevy Spark and quite happy with it haha).
It would be interesting to see a spec series like Indycar but with much faster cars than Indycar. Fenders would already take 2 or 3 seconds off the time. Then, there are things like raised noses, winglets, more horsepower, blown diffusers, active suspensions that would certainly make them significantly faster. Imagine a spec series with cars as fast as F1 cars. That would be spectacular imo
Why can’t F1 fans accept and respect nascar and Indycar and nascar indycar fans accept F1 at the end of the day it’s all motor racing just enjoy the brilliant racing from all domains of motor racing
Because F1 is full of snobs and wankers. Riccardo excepted. But I'm biased being an Aussie. I've seen both F1 and Indy. F1 you cannot get NEAR the drivers or cars. And it's boring, but this year with Rik changes is looking a lot better Indy? You can pay a bit extra for pit walks, talk to the mechanics and drivers if they're about. Even go in the garage and touch the cars if you ask permission
I started watching NHRA when I was a kid in the late 60s. Then the Indy 500 every year, NASCAR and F1 whenever I could get a TV signal from across Lake Erie. I love every kind of racing and attend in person whenever I get a chance. I even like tractor pulling, anything with a loud, bad ass motor is entertaining to me.
Try and catch V8 Supercars in Australia. World regarded as the greatest production road car based series in the world. UA-cam "Bathurst 1000 closest wins". Bathurst is to us what Daytona 500 is to Americans. Except Baffist is better. 😁 It's actually a public road the rest of the year. A STUNNING track. Steep as hell on a mountain. I've driven it and been to the race many times. Little country town in New South Wales. If you REALLY want to see something you tube 'Bathurst burning cars'. Everyone gets blind 24hrs a day. You can camp there. For days before. It gets WILD at night, but they KNOW their stuff. No riots and bad manners tolerated, wild behaviour expected ANY international driver knows it and desire to race their one day. Honestly, check it out Mostly 5.0 and 5.8 litre Ford's and Holden's (GM). Of course rules and cars have changed over the years, but to Aussies it'll ALWAYS be 'Home Of The V8s'
In yesterday's IndyCar qualifying Felix Rosenqvist posted a lap time of 1:45:454. That's more than 5 seconds faster than the IndyCar lap shown in this video.
Tim O'Glock your video comparison was great!
Tim O'Glock Colton Herta won the race at COTA today, 18 year old Rookie. The racing I saw today irl was nothing like the right side of the video haha i wish this could be updated, makes indy look slow
and 15 seconds slower than the 2018 Hamilton Mercedes F1 ...
I heard from experts, that the F1 2019 will be faster than 4 seconds in the 2018 vehicle counters.
so it is possible that the F1 car can achieve a lap time of 1 minute and 27 or 28 seconds ..wooooooow
@@chibixxmoon Because Indy is slow in comparison with F1 You just can't compare... You just have to see that the drivers that can't succeed in F1 end up in Indy... That doesnt tell you nothing? Bourdais is a 4 time Champion of the Champ Car. He went to F1 and did nothing. Alexander Rossi was also in the F1 and I dont remember nothing of him, but here he is a star...
Marcos Casado so they are good enough to drive in formula one for a few seasons which would make them one of the top 20 drivers in the world but as soon as they move to Indy they suck? F1 is all about the car. Thy never had good enough ride in F1. They became stars in Indy because it is a spec series where the cars are on a much more level playing field. Their true driving skills show through.
reminds me of a video where an f1 driver and a nascar driver switched places, the nascar driver said it was the most intense experience ever, the F1 driver said it was fun
Different skill sets. A F1 driver would probably never win or place well in NASCAR.
Yeah I doubt that
@@TwoLotus2 lmao Kimi Raikkonen did decently considering 0 experience
@@TwoLotus2 the same as how a NASCAR driver wouldn't do too well in a Grand Prix
@@TwoLotus2 And a Nascar driver would fall unconscious after the first corner in a Grand Prix considering F1 drivers experience similar Gs to Fighter Pilots
It’s like watching Verstappen’s and Latifi’s qualifying laps at Turkey this year.
Decent. Yeah, Verstappen in Q3 went 1.47.765 with Latifi lapping at 2.21.611 for Q1, split at 33.846, almost double the time here. And if you factor in that the quali lap for Indy was 5 seconds faster, that knocks it down to 12. Verstappen almost tripled it. Granted resurfacing and cold temps. But yeah, Turkey was not pretty, threw everyone's average gap over teammate stats right out the window. The average distance from pole to P20 as of post Turkey was 5.198 seconds, before that it was only 2.918. 2020 has been a banger!
More like Stroll and Latifi
@@salmanfarruz an cuz max set the fastest lap of the day (but in q2)
@@waitwhat3222 No he didn’t, Verstappen set a 1:50 in Q2 and the pole time was a 1:47
@@truenorthben you do realise track evolution is a thing right it was much dryer in Q3 then Q1 hence the ridiculous gap
Mercedes’ budget can buy the whole Indycar franchise.
TheGomezIndustries Indy car is better than u think
@@joshuaw_270 lol
@@joshuaw_270 america the land of copycat
John McKenzie indycar is only hated on because of napcar soiling America’s Motorsport name. Indycar is very different from F1 and the main reason why I don’t like interacting with 80% of F1 fans is because they think f1 is soooooo much better than anything else. F1s and indys dont even look that similar but u go on and watch cocomellon Mr.BigBoy.
JoshuaW_2 no cocomelon pls
I think the worst part about IndyCar is the massive inferiority complex the fans have when it comes to anything to do with Formula 1. Go on almost any IndyCar video and the comments are literally filled with people reassuring themselves and each other over and over that "IndyCar is so much better than F1 because....". I don't get it. You're allowed to like IndyCar guys. You don't need to validate it. Just because Formula 1 cars are faster on a track doesn't make IndyCar any better or worse it's just a simple comparison of 2 different series. I'd love to see them stick a stock car on this track and compare that too. Both of these cars would destroy a stock car on a road course, that doesn't mean NASCAR sucks. Summary of the pep talk: it's OK to be an IndyCar fan. Nobody is judging you just because Formula 1 cars are faster. Feel better?
This commentary is just perfect
Are you joking? 90% of the live stream chat from this very test, are filled of F1 fans saying stupid shit about Indycar. You can even go see it for yourself.
I've seen this a billion times from F1 fans though.
The F1 fans are by far the worst of the two fanbases, go to any IndyCar post on WTF1 or livestream and all the comments from F1 are just stupid ignorant shit because they think they´re some sort of elitist fanbase, which is not true. The one thing that should be commen sense when you compare F1 to Indy is that any sane Motorsport fan who wants to se a good race with good on track action where the driver is the most important part should pick to watch an IndyCar race over a F1 race any day.
Ya there is a HUGE difference between hypothesis and reality
If Williams disguised their car as an Indycar, they may actually start winning again.
nvstewart, they have one of the strongest power units on the grid, though…
Engine isn't everything though in F1
It would breakdown
Hahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha
😂 😂 😂
There is no comparison but they're also completely different open-wheel series who have completely different rules. And I love both of them.
Agree!
Hai sbagliato completamente il discorso. 1 La Indycar per i circuiti stradali e mini Speedway è configurata come una vettura di F1 e una vettura di F2 o GP2. Quella che non c'entra niente con la F1, F2. GP2 e Indycar per i circuiti stradali, è la Indycar in configurazione per correre sugli Ovali e Super Spedway, questa vettura non ha appendici aerodinamiche di alto carico e ha un telaio assimmetrico per viaggiare in circolo.
That's jelousy talking!
Yeh, F1 cars are quicker round a track..........so your wrong.
jtjorger that’s exactly why this is a comparison. It’s to show how these two cars are completely different
It is fun to compare the cars. I enjoy it and I'm a huge fan of both disciplines, including Nascar, drag racing or two snails running across the floor. I'll watch 'em because it's racing. I watch every one of those series when they are on TV. I follow them all. I hope we all can enjoy all racing for what it's worth: entertainment. The incredible acceleration and track stickiness of F1 cars, the insane 235+ MPH top speed of the Indy cars, the sound and excitement of 40+ Nascars tearing around tracks, the slickness of E-racing and the TT on the Isle of Mann. What we see are drivers with huge testicles and skill that we dream of having. We are in awe. Let's not negatively compare the series to each other. Ironically the two drivers shown here in this clip are my favorites from their respective series.
well said
A true motorsports fan here!
snails races are the most extreme and intensive type of races
@@FRIXER753 snail racing is the pinnacle of motorsport
*change my mind*
@@KitKitChanIsaac cannot argue with that
So this is what the Ferrari feels like huh.
Ouch
Spin
@@khoado2060 s🅱️innala moments.
@@wee5207 you mean s🅱️innala
The Great Ferrari Master Plan™
The thing is in Indy car you don’t know who’s gonna win the race
This didn’t age well
@@davisbrett44 how so?
@@quintenzappe3412 have you seen the races this year?
@@davisbrett44 yeah 10 races with 8 different winners. I'd say that's a pretty good spread
@@quintenzappe3412 I meant f1 with not knowing who is going to win! Max and Hamilton are battling it out let alone Perez, Lando, and Bottas in the mix.
The cornering speed of the F1 car is just insane
Notice the different breaking points on the first corner. I honestly had no idea that the gap was this great between the two, fascinating
F1 cars don't brake. They just .... stop.
it's huge. really it's a huge difference. Even late 90s F1 is faster than modern Indycar. The McLaren MP4/13 did a run at laguna seca like 10 months ago and it was 1 second faster than pole position in Indycar's race there, and that was with the MP4/13 not being pushed 100% for obvious reasons, not being in the same fresh state it was 24 years ago and not having era-representative soft tires. It could easily go 3 to 4 seconds faster than modern Indycar. F1 is crazy
It would be much more interesting to conpare these cars to f2. Lot less downforce and similar power to indycars.
or if were gonna do the f1 comparison, have ericsons laps side by side, one his lap from f1 last year and 1 from indy this year. It'd be cool to see the same driver in 2 different cars.
@@dbman992 That's actually a good idea. I'd bet the pole lap from the IndyCar race will be faster than race pace laps from backmarkers in F1. That's not saying F1 isn't impressive, it's just the context that you compare the two that matters and people on here seem to have no idea what context means.
@@cosmic_drew Ericsson's fastest f1 race lap in 2018 was a 1’40.098 , so even f1 backmarkers are still way quicker even in the races .
@@cosmic_drew i highly doubt it
@@cosmic_drew - Are you kidding me? So-called "backmerkers" in F1 are usually about 3 or 4 seconds per lap off the front-runners at worst, depending on the circuit. That Indycar was still a good 10 seconds or so off the backmarkers' race pace. In what universe does that equate to "keeping up" with F1 cars?
+18 seconds per lap! That's insane.
I was at the test, and the cars look and sound great at COTA.
Me too. Long time IndyCar fan, so biased of course. But I hope those that have been to the F1 race come out and see this and get into the Paddock. I think they will be blown away by how close they can get, and how approachable, friendly and personable the teams are. It's just so much more fun.
I've been asking around but do you guys know the pole time for LMP1 last time around ?
@@vitaobatera All I see is the 2016 LMP1 track record which was a 1:47 flat
I'm a huge F1 fan, but IndyCars look so good, even with the new Aero screen. The racing is great too, epically the road and street circuits. Road America is and awesome track!
Yes. The aeroscreens don't really bother me like I thought they might. Especially after the crash at Iowa, I think they were a good idea. Sounds like the extra air duct is helping with cockpit temps too. Mid Ohio this weekend.!!
Well that’s the speed of a Williams 2019 f1 car vs Mercedes
Achu Rajamani I mean the williams isn’t 19 seconds delta compared to Mercedes
@plokeenow, that’s racist
How the hell is this racist it’s joke... right?
Bruhski CoasterF1 how is this comment racist in any way?
Riley Reid, read ploke’d comment
I’m used to seeing F1 cars go fast but looking at this comparison, it just opened my eyes on how fast they truly are.
The cars are slower but so much faster in corners. Also indie cars have some weird set up for longer banked corners that the f1 doesn’t do well.
Thanks for putting together this interesting comparison. The F1 brakes later and carries a lot more corner speed. I don't see why every one wants to make it a D measuring contest. It's an interesting conversation to see how these 2 very different animals compare in speed and resulting time. Would love to see something like this for the early '90s when CART was at its peak technologically.
and the F1 car gets faster the harder you drive it. Not a fair thing.
I think modern f1 cars would still win out but thats just because their tech is so advanced. But cart maybe would be closer
@@zuestoots5176 With fixed downforce on the Indy cars, it applies to them as well.
CART at it's peak was still considerably slower than F1 of that time, which is considerably slower than F1 today.
Don't think there were any crossover tracks with 90's CART, but in 2006 Champcar pole at Montreal was 1:20, F1 was 1.15.
Different everything, but that was the last closest comparison at a race weekend.
I wish these sports mingled more. It's awesome to see the technical prowess F1 has but I'd love to see F1's drivers all set up in indycars, just spec, to see who's really the best of the best.
King latifi
Nicholas Goatifi
Karting would be enough
@@di_aqua cars make a difference in f1, they don’t in Indy
@@di_aqua right, it’s a spec series though. Certain teams will still have advantages due to setup knowledge and experience but the equipment is in theory the same.
I give IndyCar drivers massive credit for wrestling those things around a track, it doesn’t look easy. Compare that to Lewis’ car going precisely wherever he points it
That’s what power steering does for you, but yeah, it always amazed me how they’re wrestling the car for the entire race trying not to crash
You call that wrestling?
Its because F1 drivers don't have to push their cars to the limit, the difference usually is several hundreds of second while in IndyCar all cars are equal and drivers go over the limit to win.
It's like LMP1 vs GTE.
Yeah, was about to say P1 vs. P2 but then I saw the delta at like half a lap lol
What's the pole lap for LMP1 in COTA ? I wonder what the 919 Evo could do there!
DPi vs GTD
@@vitaobatera i think in 2017 pole was 1:44ish for lmp1
No lmp1 vs dpi. (Unless the dpi cars are getting faster)
Isn't this pretty much what everyone expected? We already knew F1 cars were immensely faster. It'll be more interesting to compare race/qualifying lap times but it's expected there's going to be an enormous gap.
10 seconds seems fair when we compare quali. Probably 15 in the race.
F1 and its cars are still a monstrosity compared to Indycar
@@cnon. that's great. Doesn't have anything to do with the video though.
@@cnon. Indycars are ugly as fuck and boring to watch, Nothing beats the beauty of watching an F1 car at full speed, nothing.
@@ConnorH2111 The IndyCar on it's own isn't designed to be on it's own. It's designed to race.
man this comment section is cancer. Indycar isn't supposed to be faster than F1. It's supposed to be an open wheel spec series that runs both road courses and oval courses. Beyond both being open wheel, the two are nothing alike, they are designed for two completely different calendars. It's like comparing LMP1 to Formula E, absolutely stupid.
^^
Well too many retarded indy fans on F1 channel, its payback time
IndyCar is faster on ovals...much faster...Two different types of cars & races and most everyone on here is turning this faulty comparison in some sort of European victory over America..Show me the comparison on an American Oval track...IndyCar would destroy F1. ..
The oldest, fastest, most attended Motor race in the world...The Racing Capital of the World.. The Largest sporting venue in the world...The Indianapolis Motor Speedway and the Indianapolis 500 Mile Race ...Facts...Look it all up on Google
@@richarddobson3138 that's pretty much an extension of what I just said so idk why you're saying this like I would disagree with you. Indycar is faster on oval, F1 is faster on road. Neither of those two things matter, what's important is the racing. No point in caring how fast they're going if the racing sucks as much as F1 does.
@@MiaReiFilms Thank you sir...I agree..Sorry If I offended you..
Indycar program costs around $10 million, F1 $135 million. Sort of makes sense which is the faster machine. F1 is the pinacle of racing but I much prefer the competitiveness and balance of IndyCar - makes for a better viewing experience.
I didnt really care about indycar. I thaught it was just f1 but worse. But this f1 season has open my eyes. I love indycar! F1 is so boring
@@saltyaphid3195 only american like you would choose indycar over f1😂😂
@@m.a.i7324 do you realize a large part of indycars audience is in oceania and scandinavia? Indycar has lots of international drivers. Most americans care more about nascar.
I only like indycar because its better racing, not because its american. You never know who's gonna win an indycar race.
That 135 million is developing tomorrow’s road car technology. F1 is more than a racing series.
@@m.a.i7324bet you feel stupid now after that god awful Monaco GP
I thought that was a Mclaren on the right side of the screen lol
What’s the difference ? :P
GP2 ENGINE! AAARGGH!
"The engine feels good, much slower than before. Amazing."
Helbert S so did Fernando Alonso
@@flare2000x GP2 is faster than an Indycar
Wow. As a fan of both series, i gotta say this makes me appreciate the sheer speed of an F1 car cornering.
Sure helps when they have power steering
Nathan Forrest power steering doesn’t determine how fast you go round a corner 🤦🏻♂️
lmao power steering doesn't help one bit. if indy cars had power steering they would be going the same exact speed around the corners they are now.
Finnx no just no
@@nathanforrest7606 It's the downforce. The sheer force the car generates at speed keeps it stuck to the road like its on rails. If you see them take some of the famous chicanes in person, it actually looks physically impossible.
captions says "Music" . Couldn't be more correct
Got into Formula 1 last year and now might be getting into Indycar this year. I think both are awesome and very competitive racing championships
F1 nit very competitive (except in practice!) When was the last time you saw an Indycar race with one driver leading all the way?
@@andrewhowes5819 Yea this year it is definitely not competitive
I knew that once Indy was on COTA, everyone would be arguing and comparing the two because they are open wheel cars and at the top of their respective ladders. Yes Indy is slower. Yes F1 is basically the absolute pinnicle of technilogical achievement. Yes Champcar was faster with more than 1000 hp, but why argue what's better...it's completely moot. Two completely different cars with two completely different rulesets. Racing is awesome! We all love it. It uses the same physics. Some are slower, some are faster, some are about technology and engineering and some are about the human user. Watch autocross, it's so frickin' fun to watch, and it is slow as fuck, but it's racing and that's what it's all about. Now if Indy and F1 had a series weekend together, that would be amazing...who's got the financial backing here to make that happen? Comon!
Montreal or Indy GP would be good for that in their respective dates. Indy GP would be in early May and build hype for the Indy 500 and Montreal is Canadian.
Lol exactly what a second tier series fan would say.
@@quattro4468 haha...yup, that's what we say. I will say though, I do enjoy the second tier racing more however, plus, the second tier racing series comes to my neighbourhood once a year and I can just walk right into the paddocks as the teams are setting up and touch those second tier cars...so I might be a little biased for second tier racing...I'm not a hypocrite. :)
@@RacingAtHome I like the build up for Indy idea. So, I have 20 dollars (Canadian) of seed money...
@Davvy Jannes wow, I have no reply other than...that was a great reply. Cheers.
The funny thing is I'm looking forwards to the Indycar season more than F1, and I haven't missed an F1 race live since 1997!
boy, how things have changed since this comment with F1
@@spamjosh6526 this season has been boring
@@ProxiProtogen first this comment was from a year ago, second, man wtf you on this season has been great, not 2021 good but that season was crazy
@@spamjosh6526 I disagree but eh
750 hp, no power steering and a fraction of the downforce makes for a helluva ride!
Only 750 hp ! With unlimited fuel flow and a bigger engine !
Algman Algmania Only 750? Yeah dude, they also weigh 725kg, don’t have a hybrid system, are built to take punishment and last through several events, and In what world is that slow?
@@joshcorvette
Indycar engines last only 4 races
F1 teams are only allowed to race 3 power units for a entire season of 21 races, that makes it 7 races per engine.
That’s the biggest problem with Indycar, they need more horsepower. Late 90s CART was epic to watch because they were ~1000HP. It made your balls tingle watching them race. Now they look boring.
@@jonnies indycars will have 900-1000 horsepower in 2023 when they go hybrid. They will compete with F1 cars.
Lots of difference, the Indycar looks harder to drive. Love both series, but Indycar is way more competitive which makes it more entertaining to watch
f1 is far more harder to control in competitive way
Why does every have to debate about which is better/more fun? Why can’t we just enjoy them both for what they are?
Because this video is about comparison of laptimes at COTA, that is, who is fater at COTA. And people saying F1 is faster here are merely stating a fact.
Which sport is better or more entertaining is not the subject of this video. And if people want to debate that, then that's their own fault.
Dave Mitch Yes, I mostly just meant that the debate on which is more entertaining is silly. Obviously F1 is faster
Nitrous F1 no it aint
That is nice. I always wanted to see that battle on the same circuit.
I love how the f1 had a later start on the track in this video and it overtook the indycar in like 100m
no, the start is at the line, they started the lap at the same time
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Both are beautiful machines. I think the indycar is more raw but that's not a bad thing. I love both sports. Truly amazing drivers.
I have watched both for 15 or so years. Indy car is just more interesting to watch because shit just happens. You know the most interesting part of watching racing, the passing attempts and because of that is why I love watching Indycars so much.
F1 and Indy cars were closer back in the 80's and 90's.
That´s why F-1 was more awesome back in the 80´s and 90´s than nowadays..
The 90’s CART were a lot closer to F1, because there were 3 different chassis (Reynard, Lola, Penske)
3 different motor (Mercedes, Honda, Ford)
and two different tires (Firestone, Goodyear)
It was real competition.
The closest margin between them was in the 50s. I mean, F1 used to run the Indy 500 as a FIA WC race, and Indy cars just outclassed F1 cars all decade long
Then again, when did IndyCar series start again?
@@paulortnakamura2968 lol I watched half of 80's and all 90's and cant remember that awesomeness you are talking about. Even stats prove now you have way more overtakes than back in 80's or 90's
@@jlm5078 CART also had the Eagle chassis and Toyota engine during the 90's. Plus Penske modified their Reynard chassis to the point it was referred to as the Reynske.
The IndyCar costs a fraction of what an F1 costs to build. They may look alike, but that is where the similarities end.
Who cares? As fans we want speed, simple!
and technology!
@@ghaithgarraoui7756 technology also made racing too predictable.
@@donjohnson4723 Not if its done right
That's not the argument..The argument is that IndyCar has a faster top speed on an oval and they run at that speed the whole race...IndyCar would destroy F1 car on oval track...Fact..
Yes F1 are far more advanced...
But for 500 miles without lifting IndyCar would win...Period
When you turn on the ghost of the fastest online lap time for the circuit...
Look at those seconds going up on the Indycar haha. Very extreme example though, a pole lap vs pre-season testing.
The disrespect all these “F1” fans have for Indy is gross. The machinery may not be up to par but don’t disrespect the league. It’s the same league F1 champion Fernando Alonso tried to just waltz into and ended getting lapped and finishing 21st in the Indy 500.
coz hes an european and so not familiar with the weird shit your constructors call "cars". Even Toyota prototypes from WEC would teach your "Indy Cars" a lesson coming up to a real racing circuit and not oval racing or however you guys call that bs in which even a 10 y old girl could win.
@@ilovebeer420 the budgets between WEC F1 and indy car are completely different. Not to mention that indy car is a spec series. And I don’t think you have any idea how much skill required to get a NASCAR up to speed around an oval. European F1 fans are so are arrogant
@@ilovebeer420 you are either delusional or a prick...Also I am not American
@@coltonthomas6162 I mean kimi raikkonen did insanely well on the first day driving Nascar and remember he drove against the real Nascar league on the first fucking day he drove one so idk what you want but Nascar certainly not harder than f1 or indycar
Also the series where a trash driver like Grosjean seems actually decent.
I enjoy watching F1, IndyCar, MotoGP, NASCAR, and practically all kinds of motorsports. They're all unique in their own ways, no need to compare and rank which is the best and worst
Indycar is a better sport to watch for fans and more enjoyable racing but F1 is the pinnacle of motorsport.
I enjoy both. As a long time F1 fan though I think it’s going in the wrong direction with so many things and I’d rather watch indycar at this point.
@@themarketm8382 it's all to please motor companies. F1 doesn't really care much for sustainability. They've recently added races in countries with lots of oil after all. The thing is cars are either going electric or hybrid. However, to keep an ice engine, they'd have to use sustainable fuels to run them. Companies like Mercedes, Porsche and Toyota have been very vocal about sustainability in their projects. With their fuel, F1 would be making a lot of money. Another thing is the low emission V6s with hybrid systems are developed so car manufacturers can make more efficient engines. Going back to V10s (or V8s, which I prefer) would mean falling out with all of these companies who are looking for sustainability and efficiency. Believe it or not, this trend is mostly for economic benefits. As much as I like the push towards sustainability, F1 isn't doing it for moral reasons
Edit: also, another thing is it would likely cost manufacturers a lot money to redevelop V8s/V10s, which is a fair point. At the moment, Renault, Mercedes, Ferrari and Honda have similar engines. They wouldn't wanna risk another team having an enormous advantage through engine development, like Mercedes in 2014
I’m assuming the snore fest of the Monaco 2024 GP didnt help
1998 mclaren mp4 is only 5 sec slower per lap than 2022 model. which means that 25 years old formula 1 car is 12 sec faster than 2018 indycar.
Something to remember is that the average IndyCar team costs 7% as much to run for a season then an F1 team, yet the cars can keep pace on an oval.
How boring is a oval though
@@kevinwilliams1421 less boring then HAM VER BOT
It is just national, not world wide.
@@soisaidtogod4248 coat was about the same when it was the CART and CHAMP Car World Championship
Comparing Hamilton's 2018 pole lap and a IndyCar preseason testing lap is absurd from the start. Considering the triple digit million dollar budget differences for just one F1 team, IndyCar produces an incredible racing machine and franchise. 231 MPH pole speed for the 2020 Indy 500 is jaw dropping and I'm pretty sure an F1 car wouldn't be competitive at Indy because they're hybrids and rely on energy harvesting to replenish their battery and at Indy it's flat out, very little braking.
I watch and love both series. They are 2 different animals, both exceptional at what they do.
Na realidade as pessoas confundem velocidade em retas , com performance,a F indy tem uma velocidade final maior porque o carro é projetado pra correr basicamente em oval, agora isso não é sinônimo carro mais rápido,o F 1 é projetado pra correr o mais rápido possível em um determinado espaço de tempo, então isso o torna a máquina mais rápida e perfeita das pistas mundiais por isso nenhuma categoria do mundo chega perto em performance 🤔
Keep in mind that Indycar dosen't have power steering or the downforce as a F1 car has. Which means cornering at 100mph in a Indycar is more harder than a F1 car.
"more" harder?
F1 is for pussies
Because Gforces is not a thing, right.
Why can’t F1 and Indycar fans get along and have a beer? They’re both different, and it’s like comparing apples to oranges.
Because F1 fans are snobs
@@EricBurns1 They really are.
Because IndyCar drivers and races are better, and F1 fans just can't take it by definition. The best are the fans who are fans of both series they understand limitations and respect all.
F1 downforce is just magnificent
ive always wondered what it feels like to go through a corner in an f1 car
@@longjalapeno fucking Billings, that’s for sure
Feels like those spinning anti gravity rides, your just pinned to the side
Shame it completely ruins the races
@@dopiaza2006 if it wasn't for downforce the cars would fly off the track and spin out and have no grip
For simple perspective Indycar speeds around a balanced circuit are almost exactly equal to f2. 17 seconds a lap slower is going to get lapped every 6 laps. 17 seconds is such a big margin that no matter how much you analyse it they are two different worlds, from the fastest teams to the slowest the difference is massive. If F1 raced ovals then the top end would also be higher, it's clearly not beneficial on any f1 circuit so they just don't need it.
Lol I randomly came across this and just realised you're the guy I finished 2nd to in a 2016 Automobilista esports time trial competition
Of course F1 will be faster. It is an unlimited budget series with an emphasis on cutting edge technology. IndyCar is a spec series. The question is, which will provide a better, more exciting race at COTA? My money is on IndyCar. It's painful to say it, but the the utter lack of competitiveness in F1 has made its races a predictable, colossal bore. All the excitement of watching paint dry.
F1 actually has a budget cap.
That 300 extra hp really makes a difference
It’ll be interesting to see how much better a qualifying lap would be for indycar. I love both for different reasons, and it’s awesome to see them compared
Closer but not enough to close even the majority of that gap
I love both sports they’re both amazing, I knew F1 was faster but Indycar is still cool.
To me indy is a lot cooler, because it is much more a car, and less a spaceship.
F1 with Ham feels like sliding and waving thru the corners
Indy feels like a rough potatoe bouncing and fighting their way in. I've got to bring more respect to these drivers.
Now this is what I want in my suggestions YoutTube, and not 'what's inside a Hornets nest'
F1 is the pinnacle of global motorsport, Indy Car is a national series, for a national series they're absolutely rapid. Not many other nations have their own single seater formula that can hold a candle to F1. Maybe Formula Nippon in Japan only.
I am just glad to finally see a good comparison between the two cars. Now, let's see an F1 racecar take some laps around the oval at Indy. Would love to see those lap times.
Driving round in a circle doesn't seem like a challenge to drivers of cars who are used to hairpins and chicanes. I think boredom might set in
@@TheComputec check out what Alonso had to say about Indy.
Ones designed to be quick round a race track.
One designed to go pretty much full throttle for 500 miles.
Different engine settings and gear ratios.
I appreciate this is 3 years after you made this comment, but doesn’t Indy use different spec of cars for the oval tracks compared to normal tracks? Or has that happened since making this comment?
@@arkham3745no, they’ve used completely different aero setups and wings for ages on ovals and circuits. This really isn’t a good comparison
Many of the "F1 is better" comments are probably really Europe vs USA. Europeans are exposed to F1 mostly & Americans are exposed to Indy and NASCAR mainly,we can all enjoy both sports regardless of your country.
lap times dont matter in tv broadcast. the public want to see real spectacle, car to car racing. in f1 only matter the constructor of the car, its a engineering race, not a drivers championship
So this is how it felt to drive for minardi in the 80/90s
😂😂
minardi in 1990 was 5th in costructor championship. i think you mean Life engeneering
Almost 19 seconds faster! Speechless! Lewis and F1 are from a different planet!
Are you sure that's not the William's F1 car?
Ferrari*
@@mattwilll yes, Ferrari
Even a Williams or a Ferrari are way faster than Indycar
HAHAHAH
@@juancarlosmelgarejo6120 no shit sherlock it's a joke
The funny thing is if you freezeframe the beginning of the video, the indycar even has a headstart
I wonder what the comparision would be on an Oval Track like Indy?
beninho106 the F1 car would loose because it has lower top speed
@@denmark39 actually they don't. they geared for the track they race, as is the downforce. Montoya had a top speed of 370kmh at Immola in a williams, and could have gone faster if a longer straight. So your assumption is wrong!
Victor Graca it was a Williams BMW back then when F1 cars were slimmer. Today’s top speed is lower but cornering speed is much higher. Montoya’s BMW would do poorly on a medium and low speed tracks. Also: The current IndyCar Series car top speed is approximately 235-240 mph (378-386 km/h) on the Indianapolis Motor Speedway oval layout only.
@@denmark39 F1 have much better aerodynamics, more engine-power and less weight, so it´s how Victor Garcia already wrote just a question of gearbox, it would be no problem for a F1 to go way over 400 Kmh on a oval.. at the end a comparison don´t make sens because F1 is simply much much more expensive, that´s why the performance is better.
ps. sorry for my bad English.
denmark39 has not
F1 = Eurofighter Typhoon
IndyCar = Cessna Citation
The Eurofighter is a shit plane,Rafale is better
Ce ZyTa not the UK package the UK version is more powerful and delivers a bigger load then the German package the rafale was tested against in most cited sources
It's so far ahead, doesn't even look like the same track
Yes, but what is more enjoyable to watch? Indy? or F1?
I like both because they are different. Being different offers different driving experience ... as a humble simracer though. Instead of having more of the same thing better I have two nice different things.
Look at how much harder to drive the IndyCar is. The driver is giving constant corrections round the corners and is even having to steer on the straights. Hamilton can just point the F1 car where he wants it and it sticks.
Would like it if F1 cars became more difficult to drive again, even if it meant they were slower.
Just saying, having a car fight you isn't a sign of it being difficult to drive; but the signs of forgiveness and flexibility at the cars limits. F1 cars have a tendency to look like they are on rails until they just snap out. This is due to downforce, not the car just easily turning corners.
In reality, F1 fights the drivers all the time. A big part of F1 is per-race setup on a car design/package that is bespoke to that constructor. Hamilton has a very smooth racing style with a long-rake Mercedes and spent the entire weekend dialling in the car's setup to his perfection to pull off a close to perfect qualy lap. A short rake car might looks a lot more twitchy, such as Max Verstappen in his Red Bull.
F1 car in road course is a monster.
it would win on anything that isnt dirt.
@@nanderlizernanderlizer684 As long as the Porsche 919 Evo doesn't show up with a few more tweaks.
@@skcusihc1722 F1 could that the same.
@@Aiart_MG2209 Yeah, if Mercedes brought a W09 Evo it wouldn't even be close.
F1 is a special animal. That extra little bit of aggression and speed it has over indy is like the difference between MLS and British Premier League soccer. That little bit makes all the difference.
Watch the drivers hands, as Senna said after his Indycar test. It’s nice to be in control and to drive a car again as opposed to managing a computer. I’ve said it for years. Put F1 drivers in Indy Cars with F1 liveries on F1 tracks and watch the sparks fly. That’s the sport we want.
or just remove power steering
You cannot compare F1 and Indycar with each other because they are two different disciplines with their own character and identity. I've been following F1 for 20 years, but as a true racing fan, I think an Indycar race on an oval is also beautiful to see because there are so many other tactics and skills involved
"there are so many other tactics and skills involved
" that's just false XD .. you do not have to come up with bs reasons to justify your love for indycar..you are allowed to love it..believe it or not XD
@@amitabhp666 You literally have no idea what oval racing is
@@theread3480 see.. your condescending and overused line that the other person knows "literally" nothing about oval racing might work on others... but it doesn't work on me...so pipe down mate
Ovals, are bush league.
@@theread3480do you?
Indy is more of a drivers series. The car won't cover your mistakes
???
Wtf, F1 has just higher grip.... If you will mistake, you will also spin.
im guessing the indi car lap was pre 2017, it dont have an halo??
Never had a chance being compared to Hamilton
i love how not even into turn one and its already 1 sec behind
That was helped by the fact that the F1 car crossed the start/finish line half a second earlier than the Indycar.
And a few hundred million cheaper
THEY ARE COMPARING LAP TIMES
F1 vs Indycar. I get it. But you lost me with Hamilton vs Hinhcliff Like not even in the same league.
I agree with you. Put Hamilton in both cars on the same track, then compare...
GridEffect The result will be the exact same, Hamilton will probably be able to get a couple seconds minimum but probably still like 8-10 seconds off
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Little unfair since Indycar is just in testing. I'd imagine once they run qualifying they will be around 15 seconds slower. However I'd exchange slower cars for better racing all day everyday. Fan of both, but there no doubt which one requires more driver input to drive
You are right. I actually think they will improve by at least 5 seconds.
Fan of both as well and last season Indycar had some great racing and one of the best overtakes I have seen in any racing series happened during the long beach race, definitely one of the must watch championships for all race fans. Also, a car requiring more driver input to drive could indicate an issue with drive ability which is based on a number of factors from setup, to driver's driving style to chassis/engine design. Looking at it the rear of that Indycar seemed very loose every time the driver got on the power which could be dealt with with a setup adjustment and then it would require less steering input to manage.
It also looks like the Indycar has less power steering and steering damping than the F1 car so all the little bumps are much more noticeable but this is expected since Indycars generate less downforce so less force resisting steering inputs.
@@torque2802 IndyCars have no power steering actually.. lot more work from the driver needed
@@torque2802 They were talking about significant tire fall off after only 2 or 3 laps. I hope Firestone can conjure up a compound and the setups get more dialed to make it more stable on race weekend.
F1 cars in 2019 configuration are moore faster and put to go under 1: 30 seconds in qualilfy and 1:34 or 1:35 seconds in Race at COTA this year. Indycar put to go at maximum in 1:44 senconds in qualify and 1:47 seconds in Race.
Cool. Nicely done. Always good to see where they're at. Not much has changed in terms of F1 circuit supremacy, just as I'm sure not much has changed with IndyCar oval supremacy. I do like the look of those super speedway rear wings.
Kimi: "Bwoah! This Alfa is just crap..."
Why are people saying american tech is bad? they do know that dallara (italian) designed this caf
No. Lol
@@johnbigelson7471 what?
@@ryanmazumder4535 Im agreeing with you. Most of it is just ignorance or euro-fanboying without knowing even what the DW12 is. Then again, most of them wouldn't know who Dan Wheldon was either.
It certainly looks like the specs on the F1 machines make for more speed through turns, more rapid deceleration under braking, I couldn't tell about top straight line speed. The tires on the F1 cars looked like they put substantially more rubber on the track surface which would make a huge difference on a road surface for all three dynamic situations, acceleration, breaking and turning.
I suspect the F1 cars might STILL have an advantage on an oval like Indianapolis, but maybe the gap would be less? A track like COTA is the natural habitat of the F1 technology, everything tailored made for that.
The F1 stuff does look more demanding to drive, so it's hard to argue that their drivers aren't the very best. But the "space program" budgets of the F1 teams....wow!
I suppose Indycar could spec up their machines and be as quick as F1, but that might not make for better racing for venues like the ovals. Would it compromise safety running F1 specs on ovals? I don't know.
No reason not to love Indycar racing though. "Gentlemen (and and sometimes Ladies)....Start your Engines!" (I'm old school, sorry)
These Comments make me question why we watch racing..? It’s to be entertained... and frankly, IndyCar is consistently way more entertaining from the drop of the green flag to the white flag...
I stopped being interested in US Open wheel racing in the early 2000s after the demise of CART. It was better back then.
It's taken a great deal of time but IndyCar is almost back to those days. The cars are a handful to drive, the competition is fiercer than it has been, they're going back to iconic tracks, and soon they will be back to 1000HP which is a major plus.
I gave up on indycar after Dan Wheldons death, was a big fan of him and it was really sad to see. I watch it from time to time if its on but dont follow it as much as i used too.
No actually, the races are closer with far more finishing and finishing on the lead lap...I've been to 35 straight Indy 500s...The last 10 years overall were better than the 80s but the media hoopla isnt what it used to be...Hopefully Mr Penske will change that
At least Indy succeeds in centering that top camera.
An ancient art forgotten since 1997 f1 season
Giovanni G well they had to make room for the rear facing cam in 1998. Plus, I think the offset looks kinda cool
F1: Manufacturers Championship
Indycar: Drivers championship
i.e. in F1 money will buy a win, Indy is Spec and skill is more important
The Indycar reminds me of F1 during the Schumacher era. Fast on the straights, a lot to handle on the corners. I feel like that allows a skill gap to emerge between drivers. I like it.
The early 2000 Ferraris were way faster than an IndyCar
Well when you got a Mercedes comparing times with a Chevy/Honda, what do you expect
In passenger cars, HONDA'S are way more reliable than Mercedes
really ? just watch Verspatten 's Honda lunching on 2 of those, turn one, mexican gp 2021.
Also, give me a Honda Accord any day over any german money pit crapbox..
(Actually I ride a cheap Chevy Spark and quite happy with it haha).
It would be interesting to see a spec series like Indycar but with much faster cars than Indycar. Fenders would already take 2 or 3 seconds off the time. Then, there are things like raised noses, winglets, more horsepower, blown diffusers, active suspensions that would certainly make them significantly faster. Imagine a spec series with cars as fast as F1 cars. That would be spectacular imo
Indy is working on a newer faster car it was supposed to be this year but delayed till next they are Making the cars faster
but it may ruin indycar. Bottom teams already cant compete bc they have no money. Introducing a new more expensive car will make it worse
If you don’t like Indycar, you’re an F1 only.
If you don’t like F1, you only watch American sports
If you like them both, you’re a Motorsport fan
not true lmao. you are a motorsport fan if you like any racing series.
@@finnxmusic Thank you for repeating what I said sir 👍
@@sandalphoncpu "If you don’t like Indycar, you’re an F1 only.
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F1 leads all the great technological innovations you see in the normal cars, the F1 is the pinnacle of the technology, period.
Why can’t F1 fans accept and respect nascar and Indycar and nascar indycar fans accept F1 at the end of the day it’s all motor racing just enjoy the brilliant racing from all domains of motor racing
because "muh British excellence"
Because F1 is full of snobs and wankers. Riccardo excepted. But I'm biased being an Aussie.
I've seen both F1 and Indy.
F1 you cannot get NEAR the drivers or cars. And it's boring, but this year with Rik changes is looking a lot better
Indy? You can pay a bit extra for pit walks, talk to the mechanics and drivers if they're about. Even go in the garage and touch the cars if you ask permission
I started watching NHRA when I was a kid in the late 60s. Then the Indy 500 every year, NASCAR and F1 whenever I could get a TV signal from across Lake Erie. I love every kind of racing and attend in person whenever I get a chance. I even like tractor pulling, anything with a loud, bad ass motor is entertaining to me.
Try and catch V8 Supercars in Australia. World regarded as the greatest production road car based series in the world.
UA-cam "Bathurst 1000 closest wins". Bathurst is to us what Daytona 500 is to Americans. Except Baffist is better. 😁
It's actually a public road the rest of the year. A STUNNING track. Steep as hell on a mountain. I've driven it and been to the race many times. Little country town in New South Wales.
If you REALLY want to see something you tube 'Bathurst burning cars'. Everyone gets blind 24hrs a day. You can camp there. For days before. It gets WILD at night, but they KNOW their stuff. No riots and bad manners tolerated, wild behaviour expected
ANY international driver knows it and desire to race their one day.
Honestly, check it out
Mostly 5.0 and 5.8 litre Ford's and Holden's (GM).
Of course rules and cars have changed over the years, but to Aussies it'll ALWAYS be 'Home Of The V8s'
@@kdwaynec Read my comment below yours, re V8 Supercars......
It’s cool to see that the Indy car got out of the very first turn of the video quicker than the f1 but still can’t hold the lead for long at all