Thanks for the cordial response unlike Matt winning. Was anyone saying Niko... went on gear? It's odd people like Bioneer keep saying muscles make you inflexible when Olympic weightlifters have some of the best flexibility next to gymnasts. Contracting a muscle stretches the antagonist. The only true meaning of Muscle bound is the same as fat bound the term is tissue approximation where for example huge biceps might limit some elbow flexion because the tissues are smashing into e/o
Steroids are for people that want to get bigger and/or stronger at the expense of their long term health. It’s not “pathetic” but let’s not pretend it’s actually some sort of noble pursuit either. It’s people making a choice. If you want to blast gear do it. If you don’t, don’t.
I think even that is giving the over side too much slack. In an age where men regularly walk around at 300ng/dL, why is it necessarily worse for your health to take gear so that you’re consistently at 2000-2500 ng/dl (which is what most gear users probably do)? We can all agree that 60,000ng/dl is insane, but let’s not pretend that the average steroid user who walks around at 5’10 200 lbs with 2500 ng/dl test is “more unhealthy” than if he had 50 pounds fewer of muscle and 30 lbs more of fat and was a weak pu$$y
Arguably, test levels are that low because most of Americans are overweight and do anything possible to fuck their health up, and the vast majority of lifters or active people have test in the normal range, since the decrease over time strongly correlates with increases in being sedentary.@@jamesb46
Steroid bashing I can handle but he seemed to be arguing against being jacked, stacked, succulent and dense more than anything else… that I cannot forgive
He's suggesting people that lift weights shouldn't just be a one dimensional show ponies ,like you and most people on this comment section He's encouraging people to be big,strong,fit, healthy, flexible and have specific sports skills,like Boxing,BJJ etc
weird, bioneer seems like he's always on about the latest and greatest tik tok optimization to get more out of less for the price of none by walking 2 miles a day in a bear crawl so that you can unlock your hips and activate your glutes like batman. It's funny to me how I find that more cookie cutter than someone saying just look at prilepin's chart, keep it simple stupid seems rarer in the world of clickbait than not.
@@costin8764 you're simply ruining the propaganda against steroids by making shit up because now, when valid complaints about steroids come around, people for steroids can just use this precedence to call them out. It ruins the movement's validity. If a kid got scared from steroids cuz of these reasons and found out it's all baloney (and they will, these reasons are absurd and ridiculous), they're more likely to dismiss any other fears they have and eventually make the jump.
I think you are largely correct, but I do appreciate the bioneers attempt to use his platform to counter balance some of the wave of pro steroids content these days.
@@michaelujkim you realize you're arguing that poor arguments are OK so long as it's on your side. That's a seriously scary philosophical position to hold.
I guess this all flies under the flag of being your true and honest self. But I’d much rather hear you talk about your knowledge and your views and your unique approaches over these kinda overly verbose video reaction commentary
But it also makes you much slower due to the added mass, plus your tendons' strength and power, the thing most important in fighting sports, do not benefit from steroid use
@@PS3PCDJ Bro, that's false lol. You can take steroids and undereat so you don't gain much mass but you recover better. Trust me. Take your best fighter and put them on steroids with their work ethic, diet and recovery protocols and they're going to be better. Remember when Vitor Belfort went on TRT? He got better.
@@PS3PCDJ that's not true, you don't have to be a mass monster if you are on steroids. The majority of fighters are already on steroids because it makes them better ar nearly everything.
As a former military guy, the way guys would get clocked as being on is that they’d become insubordinate and likely to flout orders. The reason they don’t use steroids in the military is that it’s way more important to maintain good unit discipline than to have everyone at peak individual strength.
I just saw guys (and this is the issue with using blanket statements, because not every PED does this) become ineffective when it comes to anything with a critical demand of their cardio. I know dudes that went from running respectable 5ks, to huffin and puffin walking up the stairs. It all depends, I also know guys that have had irreparable damage done to their bodies, that will probably need them for the rest of their lives.
@zackhurwitz9441 tren has that side effect in spades. Even a conditioned man will suddenly feel like a lifelong smoker while they're on. But most other compounds increase red blood cell count and don't eff with your lungs. Because that process happens so quick, it's very common to feel an immediate improvement in conditioning
I always assumed steroids had no place in the military. Having a platoon or super strong and fast soldiers sounds great until you realize they are in a high stakes situations that requires clear heading split decision making and the ability to work with others.
The Bioneer's whole channel is about being functionally strong and healthy for life. This rant fits perfectly in his narrative and target audience. He's also right that the online community has become "you do you" rather than focusing on the health downsides and damage it does. Teens are dying because they think looking big is the goal and that steroids are the way to get them big. Buddy, you did not need to make this video. You could have just ignored it. Not sure why you felt the need to do this
Actual response: bioneer's video is not a serious video for serious people. Its not a serious attempt to get people not to take gear because the target audience wasn't going to anyway. Its just there to give people who weren't that serious about training a cope. And thats why he has almost a million subs and no one promoting staying natty in a serious way is anywhere close to that, but we're here if you want a way better take. Response video incoming.
Atlas, if you haven't heard of Dr Jack Kruse and his ideas on sunlight I would be interested to see what you think. As I am sure your personal situation was that you stopped training in a indoor gym and started training more outside. Ta.
Your right it's not for serious people and it may have been poorly researched (with heavy selection bias) - I take your word on that - but don't be so butthurt about it, it's not targeting like you said at advanced athletes, it's clearly addressing adolescents and young men who probably don't have a real reason to be getting into PEDs other then some shit they saw on tiktok . It's cool to post a response vid correcting misinformation I just think it's a tad silly to act like it was personal. Also very much doubtful it's some cold calculated money grab. Bioneer is a super wholesome sort of guy, afaik hasn't ever been involved in strength sports, is responding to a particular corner of tiktok/insta and trend or perceived trend among teens. misguided maybe, not malicious
I don't remember my exact comment on Bioneer's video but it started with something along the lines of "you shouldn't try to convince people to not take steroids with misinformation." A major problem with using misinformation is some kid will go into a gym thinking "I'll never do drugs because X, Y and Z" and then they'll see some guy in the gym and talk about roids and that guy is a rock climber, meaning this guy isn't affected X and Y and that lie makes the kid doubt the validity of Z and get on the roids when if they were just told Z is a problem they wouldn't have.
@kredonystus7768 agree, that's a universal principle. You can see it with the public distrust in the media now, just like you saw it with kids who grew up during Reefer Madness era in the 50s and 60s and in the DARE program in the 90s. There are a lot of people in the comments who are saying, "who cares, anything that keeps people away from steroids is a good thing". Those people are dangerous.
@@AlexanderBromley Man, I don't think that there is any real defense of steroid usage. Sure, you shouldn't make stuff up to scare the kiddies away from it but a real honest analysis should be plenty to discourage anyone with a good head on their shoulders from using it. Anything beyond a therapeutic dose of TRT for people who would otherwise have abnormally low testosterone levels is just trading years of your life for vanity. Sure some high level athletes and actors get paid enormous sums of money to look and perform the way they do, and I'm not gonna try to be someone's dad and tell them that they're making the wrong choice, but for basically everybody else it's just dumb. You're actively hurting yourself so you can do a better job playing strongman games, boosting your self esteem, and looking big enough to get clicks on youtube. That's ridiculous. Again, I'm not your dad, do what you want but minimizing very real risks and encouraging others to take steroids is a bad look
"militaries don't use steroids" bruh.... I can't believe I heard that. Special forces are full of people on gear, anyone who's been around them (I've known both green berets and SEALs) knows it if they're keyed in on what to look for.
He has over 5 years worth of content that last I checked, is still relevant. I have no idea what more "actionable content" you want him to do. Are you allergic to scrolling through his old videos or something?
Adam literally states in his video that a lot of his points are "worst case scenario" and that you'll be fine if you're careful and don't overload yourself with roids and stay in the moderate range. He says it in like the first 5 minutes of his 18 minute video 😂
@comicenthusiast You are aware that he makes that statement then frames all use as the extreme by making no mention to likelihood of the extreme. It's playbook fear mongering and straw-man. To give an example. Imagine I said you shouldn't exercise or compete because you have so many injuries, heart issues, develop psychopathy, lose financial stability. All those can be true....but they're ludicrously extreme cases. Ironically though the raw numbers of those case likely outstrip the number of persons facing the brutal steroid results. It would be an equally dishonest argument when you ignore incidence rates. It's such a poor approach to arguments or statistical thinking.
Even worse actually as you go on in the video he frames things as if he's not describing an extreme strawman. "The typical steroid user" when he refers to the muscle bound gorilla physique for example. This sort of framing is used throughout. Seriously it's a very common rhetorical technique whenever you're appealing to in-group dynamics. Now these are extreme examples but think about the classic "not all men, but skreed about men" "not all Muslim immigrants but frame in Islamophobic propaganda". The nuanced framing of acknowledging the presence of extremes without painting it as homogenous group only works if you appeal to rates of incidence and causal pathways within the group. Seriously this type of thinking shows a serious disconnect from statistical reasoning.
Being a lifter is just a small part of my life. Steroids affect the very basis of your existence in a negative way (especially the health of your body). To me, everyone who thinks that having bigger muscles or being able to lift heavier weights is worth risking your own health, has way bigger issues...
Exactly my thought. We are not ONLY lifters, we are human beings after all. But I guess some forget that because ego gets attached to the image of what we think we are.
I think you are big time coping. He is actually offering a balanced view and saying that for most people it probably isn’t worth it. But like any school girl, you can always find something to gripe about if you look for it.
@@AlexanderBromley the reason it is obvious cope is how personally you took it. Like, yeah, dude prolly was a nerd in high school. But he is very fit for a natty. And I don’t agree that anything he said was very wrong. Steroids, even testosterone, have side effects and he is pointing that out. And you are acting like all the gym bros are just taking TRT. They aren’t
@akn0187rmb 1.) he's not natty, he admitted to taking oral steroids, 2.) His entire premise is steroids don't do anything. Either you didn't watch it or you have a learning disability.
@ 1. I never heard the guy say he took them. If he did, cool, didn’t realize. 2. His premise is that they are lame, sure, but he was balanced in the fact that he admitted they can work for some people, especially people who want to look jacked, but they aren’t healthy. Also true. No amount of steroids is healthy. Your body can make your own test as long as you live a healthy life.
While a good amount of his points are just wrong, Bromley appealing to a small trt dosage to argue that steroids aren’t that bad is quite disingenuous - of course steroids in moderation are not that bad - but they are inherently addictive and the bioneer is certainly having a better impact with his video compared to this defence of steroids
No. Some people getting addicted isn't sufficient. People get addicted to sex and stock market trading. Overwhelming majority of people who go on dont stay on long term
@@AlexanderBromley lol, so you ARE deleting comments! ha, i just posted to this thread and I check it a minute later, comment gone and you posted a new one! lol, super cringe my guy.
Mate why not make sound arguments against use. You weirdos have me in the comments and I'm not even a user nor ever intend to be 😭. Just make solid arguments ffs.
The point from the bioneer about how militaries dont use steroids is hilarious after I just watched a video from a legit spec ops guy talking about how prolific roids are on the inside (mostly just test prescribed or recreational and $arms) because of all the injuries they rack up and whats called "operator syndrome"
In A school there were guys getting caught ordering sarms. I'd imagine after it it's a lot easier to order literally anything once your mail isn't checked.
Green berret chronicles said, that roiding is their culture. Who would of thought, that special forces are lazy to exercise and so vain... Nobody would say shit against HGH, or any other repair compound, but test and other roids? There is no excuse for this.
You know I’m biased as fuck. I love the Bioneer, but I’ve been watching Bromley’s stuff for a long time too, but I just don’t agree with Bromley on this one. The vast majority of people should not use gear for a whole plethora of reasons beyond the reasons the Bioneer stated. Lists of gear users both renown and unknown have died from gear abuse, not mention the psychological effects. I understand why a competitor uses gear. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it, but the common athlete? The athlete I think the Bioneer is advocating for should they also use gear? How young? What’s the source of their steroids? Are they being medically overseen to monitor health risks from steroids? I mean where do you draw the line? Now you’re taking potshots because there’s an emphatic argument against steroid use? Low blow vid from Bromley. To disagree is one thing but this whole video sounds just sounds butthurt. Not even mad, just disappointed. Thumbs down.
Many of Bromley’s criticisms are accurate, but they come from the perspective of a mature user, whereas I suspect the intended audience for Bioneer’s comments is rather less thoughtful. He’s taken this too personally. Both Bioneer and Bromley are awesome. Not nice to watch an unnecessary mud slinging.
@@jamesmotorola6866 The false logic Bioneer used is still false even if the intended audience are uneducated. He reacted Alan Thralls video about why he wouldn't want to take gear a few years back and had zero issues with that video because Alan didn't use flawed logic while talking about it.
@BulletArc47 I also believe the vast majority of people should not use gear, I've said that many times. Did I say something here that suggested otherwise? I address the 'death from gear use' thing; it's not a real argument. Pointing to IFBB pros as evidence is like saying "x-ray machines are dangerous, just look at Chernobyl". Regular people are not dropping dead from gear use. I'm taking potshots because he lied about a bunch of shit or was outright ignorant of the subject. It's just so fucking bizarre to see so many people say "bad vid, disagree", using a bunch of points I didn't make to explain it.
@@AlexanderBromley Bromley, taking the argument that responsible use of gear is okay, is saying it’s okay for everyone to use PEDs, so long as you are responsible about using it. Like drink responsibly; use gear responsibly. Sure, you didn’t say everyone should use gear directly, but the argument, mature use of gear is okay, is easily inferred. I respectfully think there is some innate danger to this argument. What about the young men (or women) that dont have the insight, resources, genes, or maturity that you do, but look up to you, and say, “You know Bromley is strong as fuck, I wanna be strong as Bromley.” Then go out and find a shit PED source that has filler macro-particles in it and it eviscerates their entire systemic blood vessel network. It’s definitely happened. I don’t think the Bioneer lied about anything. Gear can cause, potentially, all the aforementioned effects. You took his video too personally. You are not any one of the things he said, true. However, what’s good for the goose is not always good for the gander. There are many people that are at least a few of the Bioneer’s listed traits of gear use. And FYI, X-rays are dangerous Bromley, sure they’re not gamma rays level of dangerous like Chernobyl, but there is a reason there are not street corner foot fluoroscopes anymore. Find a better simile man. I’m not making any more posts about this issue here. I think I might make a whole video about the risks and benefits of gear use.
You don't get to make that claim when every supporting piece of evidence was a lie or a misunderstanding, make cogent argument based in fact and not your own biases and bad info ☺️
why do you keep on trying to humiliate the guy for like "being a nerd?" we're all losers, your sport of choice came from circus performers and youre not even at the top of it. everybody love your families, love yourself, and calm down bromley
I know, I'm not best in the world, how do I sleep. I'm a nerd too. I still have action figures and graphic novels from when I was 10. He gets shade for being a nerd because its an aesthetic He appeals to over real life. He's verging on delusion
@@AlexanderBromley i see you have decided to enter the youtuber death spiral. have a cringe AF take, reveal yourself as a petty POS and a bully, then go to the comment section to condescend to the people rightly calling you out. apparently the Bioneer hit a little too close to home. oh well, once a junky pos always a junky pos. unsubbed and blocked.
He said a bunch of shit thats egregiously wrong using DragonBall z analogies. His hypotheticals are the stuff of Brice Lee fanatics who have never been in a fight. This isn't "being yourself", it's spending too much time away from other people
Points made in the vid are solid but some of this is borderline bullying. If he’s wrong that’s cool, point it out, but no need to attack the guy for being himself.
His consumption of fantasy content has blurred the lines of whats real. Hes using martial arts movies and anime to provide the basis for his hypotheticals at the expense of real world expertise. The nerd jokes fly.
It looks like everyone is defending the bioneer because he is the good guy, defending the noble natties, and Bromley, since he is enhanced, is the villain. To me, that guy looks like someone who is getting called out for a bunch of nonsense. Don't get me wrong, i love the fact that the community is getting "nattier" and I am and will always be natty, but this is someone who's marching on this process to get visibility and spreading misinformation. Do you remember when your parents told you not to do something otherwise you'd face big consequeces, then you'd do it, the consequeces were not as bad as you thought and you'd keep doing it? It seems the same to me
Bromley saw the video from Bioneer, took it personally, and then (in true schoolgirl fashion) convinced himself that the way to deal with his convictions over the matter would be to subtly justify steroids by 1) calling this video a "criticism" and 2) defending himself by saying, 'are you even listening to me?' Yes. Yes we are. Steroids put people in the grave sooner, end of story. No need to underhandedly publish a personal diary of your emotional response to that fact.
@Isaiah_McIntosh I acknowledged that he had outrageous claims but still yes the message to young impressionable teens should be to discourage drug use. This is coming from somebody's who's friends started taking gear and now have either low T or can't have kids
@MateyMateev-eq9wf Your original comment is that it outweighs anything else, I take it anything else includes his dishonesty and errors. It's two wholly different comments. You think one should stay natural and that's a noble thing to encourage especially to youth. Your comment says one should encourage people to stay natural and that ends justifies any means (taking your charitably when I say means I mean strictly semantic tricks or dishonesty). This type of thing is kind of rampant in the comment section where because people agree with the moral stance they're making pretty wild arguments and comments that I'm pretty sure they don't actually hold and would back track on if they applied the logic to other topics.
@@megadeth1818 grown men aren’t so insecure and don’t get so easily offended by others thoughts that they feel the need to make videos specifically to criticise others valid opinions. They focus on themselves and what they are doing. Can’t say I’ve seen too much from the bioneer naming and criticising other people in his videos. Maybe that’s why the bioneer has nearly 4 times the audience he’s not negative with almost every video or slinging crap on the internet instead of creating good content.
@@eldanno5970you realize that in this framework a "grown man" cannot address misinformation. Why arbitrarily draw the line at making videos? Why isn't commenting repeatedly on someone's video a sign of not being a "grown man"? How is it morally better to not engage with other opinions especially when they're demonstrably wrong and misleading?
@eldanno5970 Bioneer has a big following because hes keeping his audience forever small and pretending to train like fucking batman. Dude is a goof ball for kids that are not serious about training.
Bromley, even as a guy who finds the bioneer unbelivably annoying, and as someone who essentially fully agreed with every point you made in this video despite having no interest in taking PEDs, I think this type of video is kinda classless, doesn't reflect that well on you and your brand, and is likely to attract a bad sort of audience while also alienating your actual viewerbase.
@@joshp.2872 As others have pointed out, nobody follows Bromley for drama, deserved or not, even though he's been making more of that content recently. I couldn't care less what the Bioneer says; most of his videos I've seen are worthy of criticism, but I have no interest hate-watching that criticism. I don't follow any of the guys who do that sort of thing as their schtick, and previous experiences have left me with low opinions of both that sort of person, and the people who follow them.
Most of us love the Bioneer and even if his science didn't science enough this time, he's trying to counter the enhancement epidemic that's making 22 year old boys be on TRT forever
@ShikiPlays420 I would be an ally in that fight. But this is what the zero tolerance purity spiral does; sucks out all of the nuance, puts everyone under one of two camps and turns the tension between them up to 1000. It also often shoots itself in the foot with these tactics, which lose them credibility. "Doing what's in everyones best interest" isn't an excuse. People don't like being effing lied to.
Is blasting gear really that popular now? It could just be the spaces I'm in both virtual and real, but all of the natty guys I know are adamantly against gear on a moral / ethical level. Online, I see way more "fake natty callouts" and "steroids are cheating" content than I see people giving a pass to or condoning AAS use.
Greg doucette does such drama style fitness content better. He comes off as a comedian rather than a douchebag even as he throws insults at his opponents. Bromley should just stick to his lane.
I actually agree with your arguments over facts more than bioneer's. But let's not play dumb here, cause I actually think you're a pretty intelligent person. Your video was laced with drama stirring commentary like, "he's someone who's probably a nerd, probably bullied to shit in school..." And many other comments into the state of mind of another person and often in the worst possible light. If you read through the comments section, which I'm sure you did, you'll see that most people have no issue with your arguments over facts. They just didn't like your tone and how you've laced your factual arguments with gratuitous digs on bioneer. And, they didn't like your tone because they expected better of you.
This was a bit too defensive I think. If steroids are just technology, then use a forklift in your competitions. Steroids are for people that want to be bigger and stronger, but it's not an accomplishment. It's like using a forklift.
This is SUCH a stupid argument. Please send me the bullet point pdf that outlines when you are allowed to feel 'accomplished' over something. As if it isn't just some made up shit you can pull out to make yourself feel better. There are forklift competitions, and tractor competitions, and airplane competitions. They have their own difficulties that define the competition and you don't get to hand wave that away because you think they should put your boring-ass manifesto for self-improvement in the gym at the center of their universe. Go do the same sorry workout millions of other people do, pat yourself on the back, and feel really good about it. Afterwards you can turn on UA-cam and be entertained by all of the people who break themselves in half pushing the limits.
@@AlexanderBromley look at his username, you're arguing with a 12 year old. You've gotta stop responding to comments, people leaving angry comments don't want to have an actual discussion. They'll ignore evidence because they're biased. Responding to hate comments looks bad on you too, especially when you're talking to a 12 year old.
seriously, baldness and gyno is enough risk for me to stay away. That and I'd probably have to be on shit for the rest of my life and explain to everyone that im not on steroids its just TRT while being bigger and more jacked than ever at age 45
He's always sort of leaned on the side of steroid "apologist", just look at his "steroids are not a super serum" video. I think he's still one of the more rational fitnesstubers but you can tell when steroids are put down that it bruises his ego. Even in his alan thrall video in his comments he equates the ills of steroids being no worse than alcohol.
If you want to use PEDs in a way that lets you age well, read Clarence Bass. He used light doses just before competing to help him preserve muscle during final cuts. Then he trained naturally for the rest of the year until just before the next show. His perspective is very reasonable and has proven to be effective and healthy in the long run.
Idk if you'll read this, but I'm a parkour athlete. Regarding around 4:45, I've been interested in doing a cycle and seeing how it affects my performance (I don't compete; I just really want to be stronger and faster). If I do, I'll let you know my results. I really enjoy your videos in general, but you made point around minute 25, when you're talking about risk-reward assessment. That's something I feel like I have to explain to everyone who makes fun of parkour because stairs exist lol. Really enjoy your content man!
I do so love the mind of people rationilizing gear use for performance. "Instead of taking something to gove you a little edge, why not stay in your bubble of mediocrity?" Sugar plum, if you need a substance to get an "edge" to uplift you from mediocrity, then you are still mediocre. If the thing that makes you not mediocre comes from a bottle, then its not you; it's the substance thats to credit for your accomplishment.
@@AlexanderBromley who said anything about a rule? But if you could be more than mediocre then why take gear? If you couldn't be more than mediocre without gear, then it's the gear that's making the difference. Is that really a controversial take?
@taylorhillard4868 That was a really tarded way of saying "you do more with steroids". No shit.... I want to lift more, so I'm leaving no stone unturned. You have to do a better job of explaining why I should do less
@@AlexanderBromley I mean, I've used a forklift to move more weight than you've ever done even with steroids. Do I get to call that my accomplishment as well? 3 tons? Or is there maybe something else that's letting me lift that weight? By your logic I guess it doesn't matter. You can do anything as long as more weight gets moved around. If the steroids are necessary, they get the credit. Just like the forklift gets credit for lifting a 3 ton pallet of stone.
The biggest thing steroids bring to highly technical sports that also require a high degree of strength and, thus, muscle mass is the ability to spend less time in the weight room and more time practicing the sport itself. That means if someone can be 250 lb jack and athletic natty but the training to maintain that results in too little sports practice, they will benefit from steroids by being just as jacked as they would be natty but with more time on sports practice.
Trained in martial arts my entire life when PEDs were used my punches and kicks were way more powerful than ever! Its not just a little difference its a HUGE difference! The only problem that can make a difference is the pump after a while can hinder you. But for the first couple minutes you are a powerful wrecking machine!
It is pathetic. Not in every case. In the case of guys that are so lazy they need various drugs just to work out inconsistently and look just above average.
This video is exactly the response that we needed to that video. I thought nearly all of the same things after watching. Anyone who has been in the lifting community and sports exercise science community are going to be aware of exactly these things. The bioneers video is factually false in a number of ways, not only does it disagree with statistical analysis it disagrees with anecdotes and experiment both as well, it disagrees with reality,a good portion of it simply isn’t true at any level.
Arnie blasted so much, it lowered his IQ considerably and soon enough he was suitable for acting and politics. There must be a truth to it, hahahahahahah. The Bioneer is such a hack. He's the perfect example of someone who brings some information with enough of a veneer of intelligence and being civilized, so quite a lot of people fall into the trap. It's the same thing with all those 'science-based' gurus. For example, Nippard's fanbase probably consists of 90+% beginners and some long-term trainees who are heavily into death by paralysis and they weigh 165 lbs and fear bulking, because then they lose abs...
Given your knowledge on steroids, how can one maximize the positive effects gained from them, while minimizing both the short and long term negative effects?
Oh no! Take my eyes but not my hormone production! People tank their hormones with shit food, a modern synthetic lifestyle, prescription drugs, alcohol and emotional dysregulation... no one has anything to say. But if there's a positive trafe off, suddenly you're super concerned about my HPA axis. Shit comes back with 4 weeks of clomid. This is a cope.
You don't get it man, these guys HAVE to juice and decrease their lifespan to become mediocre powerlifter/bodybuilders! They HAVE to. It's so badass and awesome when your balls shrink and hair goes away. Gives a super cool alpha vibe yknow?
@@zone453 So you got on the sauce lost your hair and have tiny balls. Because you had no discipline and drive to train consistently and eat properly. I see your point
@AlexanderBromley Do you honestly think no one in the fitness community talks about or warn others about decrease in testosterone production based on lifestyle choices? Is the crisis in testosterone levels really an unheard of phenomenon in the fitness zeitgeist?
The problem with PEDs is that they work. Exceedingly so at times. Otherwise it'd be easy to convince people to not use them. Of course, they do have a severe cost on health . But we live in a time where people only care about the results (like AI, KPIs over quality of service and such). Personally, I like to be 100% directly responsible for the muscle stimulus and improvents I see in my trainning aside from the few things I can't control (genetics, enviornment, etc.).
@@AlexanderBromley for me its that I hate the glorification of self destructive behavior, bullying people for being a "nerd", and YT creators that post a cringe vod and then rage through the comment section deleting comments and condescending to people pushing back.
@@AlexanderBromley No other options huh? Neither, because your videos used to be useful and not drama. Your need to be this know it all and disagree with everything this guy says even when hes correct from another point of view. But I guess its the views youre after?
In the sport of Brazilian Jiujitsu therr's pretty much no drug testing. It's pretty well known that a lot of athletes use PEDs.These competitors are absolute specimen! Freaky agile, mobile, strong, etc. Without PEDs you barely stand a chance to compete against them.
Bioneers whole thing is that he's a nerdy dad that is in to fitness. Making fun of him for his comic/anime shit is kinda like making fun of the autistic kid who thought he ran faster with naruto arms. Kinda feels like bullying 😂 All respect to both parties and im subbed to both of you.
Now i feel bad haha. Its the muddying of reality that gets him the shade. His hypotheticals are that of someone who watched too many Bruce Lee movies, and his DBZ analogy was atrocious. But appreciate the sub lol
Really appreciate this video. Lots of people with a chip on their shoulder on either end of the extreme. There’s the stereotype of the meathead who thinks he can beat anyone because he’s jacked. But then there’s the (much more prolific imo) inverse with the dude who is just as insecure and convinces himself that people who are stronger and larger than him are somehow inferior or that size and technical proficiency are mutually exclusive-when it mostly boils down to specificity in training
I doubt you care about the mechanism, but on the off chance that you do, testosterone is not directly neuroprotective. You can find this in any neurobiology or neuroendocrinology textbook, replacing testosterone in men who are hypogonadal has a neuroprotective effect because of the aromatization of the testosterone to estrogen in the brain. That’s why men using aromatase inhibitors cancel out this benefit. It also appears to be true for women, but those studies are obviously confounded by the fact that the women are typically on aromatase inhibitors because of estrogen driven cancers, hence they’re often on chemotherapy drugs at the same time, and it’s well established that most chemotherapy drugs are neurotoxic. So, chemotherapy becomes a confounding variable.
The Bioneer is a exercise and health channel, and his content normally deals with lifting from the perspective of performance but also sustainability and longevity, and isn't made for Alistar Overeem or Brock Lesnar, but Joe Everyman thinking whether to blast and cruise a bit. And taken in that context his video wasn't really off point, misworded at a few places, but I'm struggling to think of a strength UA-camr that doesn't sacrifice absolute precision for a flowier narrative.
But that's exactly the thing. Because of the focus of his channel and the exercise philosophy he advocates, his definition of performance is a bit different than what performance would mean in a strict "putting up numbers" context. He does say eg. that muscles get stronger with steroids, but that imbalances between muscle strength and tendon strength and increased occurance of ruptures is something which follows - and again, his video being made for the average person, performance is a general wellbeing metric.
@@gruba_____717 Did you watch the vid you're commenting on? Did you watch the vid it's responding to? You picked the only halfway decent point Bioneer made in an 18 minute video. PEDs are broadly speaking going to enhance performance in any discipline where strength could reasonably be a limting factor, and aren't going to hurt performance in any relevant way. You could say it hurts the "ethic" rather than the "performance" of the excercise, and I think that would be a lot closer to what he *actually* thinks, but that isn't what the bioneer *actually* claimed. He was very much talking about physical performance.
This guy is such a tool. If you're a "serious student of physical culture" maybe dont bloat up and cut down so badly that you shit yourself in competition. Serious student my ass. Cocktails and bar snacks before a competition that defines your livelihood.
@AlexanderBromley well fair play man, at least you're humble enough to admit it. Focus more seriously on your sport and you might actually achieve something, rather than just trading off your "also ran" status on UA-cam.
@eatkunedo i was being sarcastic you knob. Content is my livelihood, competing is a hobby. I could be a paraplegic who shits his pants every 2nd hour; when I make a 30 minute lecture, its based on actual knowledge and experience. The bioneer gave himself away as actually having none
Bro is getting mild roid rage watching someone tell him steroids lower your IQ i see you fidgeting rubbing your face it will take a toll on your mind body and spirit you know it deep down Bromley
I stopped watching the bioneer years ago. His videos and workouts are overall bad - no programming , no progression schemes , minimal technique videos,etc... But he keeps spewing out these "train like goku" , "train like batman" type of videos since that gets clicks from beginners. I also remember him making videos about nootropics (his experience about using modafinil).That coupled with his terrible advice makes me doubt that he is natty at all.
People don't criticise others who condem injecting different drugs. They don't say all the methheads who died were abusing it, they didn't take it responsibly like most do
Whats the bioneer wants to convey is that the classic brostyle of lifting paired with steroids will not turn you into some kind of freak athlete but rather an somewhat athletic freak. He has a point there as some people, especially those highly involved in the bodybuilding sphere or who are quite young have a strong misconception as to the capabilities of bodybuilders. He also is, as you said twisting arguments and leaving some gaps in his logic. Also I dont think those people are his viewership to begin.
It seems every person I know who tore a muscle were on gear. I don’t think it has anything to do with the tendons not keeping up with the muscle strength. I think some sort of deterioration occurs to the tendons from the gear.
@ maybe we don’t know all the side effects from synthetic anabolics? Or maybe it simply is the fact that the tendons are notvstrengthening as quick as the muscles?
He was definitely painting a goofy misleading picture with that vid. That said: roids are sorta lame, widespread gear use is definitely a net negative for society at large considering physique inflation leading people to often give up or have unrealistic standards and are disappointed with themselves. It enables a lot of "frauding" in a sense because the physiques that they see are often selling a lie. If you consider a holistically healthier society a good thing, aka where people have less misconceptions about obtaining a good physique and more of them commit, I you should dislike gear use on such a scale at the very least.
Tha argument to Unrealistic standards is the biggest load of "poor me' victim bullshit. High performers don't owe you anything. You aren't entitled to be the best... because math. Move on
@@AlexanderBromley It's not about being entitled to be the best when people are literally profiting off of roid use to sell something to people that is impossible? You act like these "high performers" are all fully open and honest just showing off their performance as virtuous and pioneering olympians pushing the limits when the majority of them are grifters online. Also, not to put words in your mouth, but are you saying you'd rather roids be accessible to "high performers" and drive regular folk away/astray as a consequence than vice versa?
I hope your reply to that isn't "oh they should just do more research" because that'd just be blaming normies for being normies, the same way they get scammed by fake microsoft techs online. If someone has a bad first impression to lifting or one that paints it as way too arduous to be perceived as impressive, that is 100% reasonable for the average person to have a hard time committing for their HEALTH. So ultimately we're exchanging the almost glorification of these drugs via insane feats and viral things for a sort of despair-inducing gatekeeping effect that keeps people sedentary by what they see online. I've seen it first hand lots of times.
@@AlexanderBromley Welp my other reply got eaten before that one. Anyways tldr is that justifying PED use with "let grown men do whatever bro" is a shallow view when PEDs do actually impact society at large. I want a lot of my family to get into fitness, but they often get spammed with misleading transformations like those of PEDs despite me trying to educate them that it's a slow process for naturals etc. Obviously you can't make them more illegal or something, and it does lead to some freaky athletes, but I don't really think those things compounded with modern social media help anybody or the US population's health problem.
The guy is right for the wrong reasons. Of course steroids will help your strength and sports performance. But for the vast majority of people the health effects are not worth the gains.
Most guys cruise cycle today is more than what guys were blasting back in the 80s. It is kinda crazy how much roids have proliferated since social media has started
I've heard mixed things. Back in the day, no one was concerned about risk. I've heard of dbol being taken by the bottleful through the golden era and after. At the very least, the culture has access to real protocols, bloodwork, pct, liver support, etc. For how reckless doses were, I think we can only speculate
@AlexanderBromley i just listen to what they say. Obviously one needs to take what is said with a grain of salt. It would be extremely beneficial for everyone if steroids were legalized like they used to be. While we do have access to diagnostics today, a lot of guys don't use them. A 30 year old guy at my gym just died and it was probably because he used grams of steroids but didn't do any diagnostics at all. Pretty sad. He was a good dude
Bromley claims he is on steroids but look at him, I think he's a fake user and actually part of the noble natty community.
Nikocado got nothing on me
Thanks for the cordial response unlike Matt winning. Was anyone saying Niko... went on gear?
It's odd people like Bioneer keep saying muscles make you inflexible when Olympic weightlifters have some of the best flexibility next to gymnasts.
Contracting a muscle stretches the antagonist.
The only true meaning of Muscle bound is the same as fat bound the term is tissue approximation where for example huge biceps might limit some elbow flexion because the tissues are smashing into e/o
He must not ever heard or seen Flexwheeler in action!
@@DrTopLiftDPT Jack LaLane would often do backflips and other stunts to show people that being muscular didn't mean that you had to be inflexible.
@@DrTopLiftDPT i think he was talking about how nico faked his transformation in response to your "fake user" comment
If Rich Piana could get 24" arms being a natty vegan, there's zero reason for anyone to use steroids.
Well, he did use his 8hr arm workout - guaranteed full body transformation with that even as a fruitarian.
And when did he ever say he never used?
@@impulse894Bro are you serious? Hes literally the figurehead of natural bodybuilding. Stop talking about things you know nothing about.
Steroids are for people that want to get bigger and/or stronger at the expense of their long term health. It’s not “pathetic” but let’s not pretend it’s actually some sort of noble pursuit either. It’s people making a choice. If you want to blast gear do it. If you don’t, don’t.
yep. its also our choice to make fun of such decision lol
@@leonardo9259 yeah exactly, and it's a decision worthy of being made fun of
I think even that is giving the over side too much slack. In an age where men regularly walk around at 300ng/dL, why is it necessarily worse for your health to take gear so that you’re consistently at 2000-2500 ng/dl (which is what most gear users probably do)? We can all agree that 60,000ng/dl is insane, but let’s not pretend that the average steroid user who walks around at 5’10 200 lbs with 2500 ng/dl test is “more unhealthy” than if he had 50 pounds fewer of muscle and 30 lbs more of fat and was a weak pu$$y
Arguably, test levels are that low because most of Americans are overweight and do anything possible to fuck their health up, and the vast majority of lifters or active people have test in the normal range, since the decrease over time strongly correlates with increases in being sedentary.@@jamesb46
@@jamesb46 Thats just going to the extreme, going to the gym already puts you out of that last escnario
Steroid bashing I can handle but he seemed to be arguing against being jacked, stacked, succulent and dense more than anything else… that I cannot forgive
Amen brother.
🐴🐓
To be fair he is pretty jacked, stacked and succulent himself. He probably has a better rig than most guys on gear.
It’s because he’s a friggen pencil neck
He's suggesting people that lift weights shouldn't just be a one dimensional show ponies ,like you and most people on this comment section
He's encouraging people to be big,strong,fit, healthy, flexible and have specific sports skills,like Boxing,BJJ etc
The Bioneer has one of the only fitness channels which isn't cookie cutter. I enjoy him alot.
Production is really good, I see why he's popular. I dont think he's a fraud or anything... just really dumb on this issue
@@AlexanderBromley So what if he lies? Is it really that bad of a thing to create propaganda against steroids?
He’s making an emotional argument, he is showing the world that he holds biases and his bigoted towards certain classes of people
weird, bioneer seems like he's always on about the latest and greatest tik tok optimization to get more out of less for the price of none by walking 2 miles a day in a bear crawl so that you can unlock your hips and activate your glutes like batman.
It's funny to me how I find that more cookie cutter than someone saying just look at prilepin's chart, keep it simple stupid seems rarer in the world of clickbait than not.
@@costin8764 you're simply ruining the propaganda against steroids by making shit up because now, when valid complaints about steroids come around, people for steroids can just use this precedence to call them out. It ruins the movement's validity. If a kid got scared from steroids cuz of these reasons and found out it's all baloney (and they will, these reasons are absurd and ridiculous), they're more likely to dismiss any other fears they have and eventually make the jump.
I think you are largely correct, but I do appreciate the bioneers attempt to use his platform to counter balance some of the wave of pro steroids content these days.
Dishonesty as a virtue is interesting.
@@michaelujkim you realize you're arguing that poor arguments are OK so long as it's on your side. That's a seriously scary philosophical position to hold.
Lying or (generously) misrepresenting facts is a disservice to any effort.
Straight up lying doesn't counter balance anything.....
The true true @@Isaiah_McIntosh
I guess this all flies under the flag of being your true and honest self. But I’d much rather hear you talk about your knowledge and your views and your unique approaches over these kinda overly verbose video reaction commentary
Agreed. I know audience goodwill is limited with these
@@AlexanderBromleyVery wise! I do miss your whiteboard!
Cwc reference detected 😊
@@jamesmotorola6866 Aw man, the whiteboard days, with the way too loud intro. Made great gains in that era 😔
As fighter, it’s ludricrous to say steroids don’t make you a better stronger more powerful fighter
But it also makes you much slower due to the added mass, plus your tendons' strength and power, the thing most important in fighting sports, do not benefit from steroid use
@@PS3PCDJ Bro, that's false lol. You can take steroids and undereat so you don't gain much mass but you recover better. Trust me. Take your best fighter and put them on steroids with their work ethic, diet and recovery protocols and they're going to be better.
Remember when Vitor Belfort went on TRT? He got better.
@@PS3PCDJ that's not true, you don't have to be a mass monster if you are on steroids. The majority of fighters are already on steroids because it makes them better ar nearly everything.
@@PS3PCDJ spoken like a true ignoramus - its a disease in modern society - talking confidenly about topics you know NOTHING about,pathetic
@@lolwtfbbq111 Finally someone speaking the truth about PED use.,
As a former military guy, the way guys would get clocked as being on is that they’d become insubordinate and likely to flout orders. The reason they don’t use steroids in the military is that it’s way more important to maintain good unit discipline than to have everyone at peak individual strength.
I just saw guys (and this is the issue with using blanket statements, because not every PED does this) become ineffective when it comes to anything with a critical demand of their cardio.
I know dudes that went from running respectable 5ks, to huffin and puffin walking up the stairs. It all depends, I also know guys that have had irreparable damage done to their bodies, that will probably need them for the rest of their lives.
@zackhurwitz9441 Lance Armstrong took steroids and that massively improved his cardio. 2200 miles in less than a month is definitely cardio!
@zackhurwitz9441 tren has that side effect in spades. Even a conditioned man will suddenly feel like a lifelong smoker while they're on. But most other compounds increase red blood cell count and don't eff with your lungs. Because that process happens so quick, it's very common to feel an immediate improvement in conditioning
I always assumed steroids had no place in the military.
Having a platoon or super strong and fast soldiers sounds great until you realize they are in a high stakes situations that requires clear heading split decision making and the ability to work with others.
@@ThaRealSunGodno need for quick thinking brother. The drones are even faster 😂😂😂
The Bioneer's whole channel is about being functionally strong and healthy for life. This rant fits perfectly in his narrative and target audience. He's also right that the online community has become "you do you" rather than focusing on the health downsides and damage it does. Teens are dying because they think looking big is the goal and that steroids are the way to get them big.
Buddy, you did not need to make this video. You could have just ignored it. Not sure why you felt the need to do this
The Bioneer is a liar, so yes he did.
Actual response: bioneer's video is not a serious video for serious people. Its not a serious attempt to get people not to take gear because the target audience wasn't going to anyway. Its just there to give people who weren't that serious about training a cope. And thats why he has almost a million subs and no one promoting staying natty in a serious way is anywhere close to that, but we're here if you want a way better take.
Response video incoming.
@atlaspowershrugged oooooweeeeeei!
Atlas, if you haven't heard of Dr Jack Kruse and his ideas on sunlight I would be interested to see what you think.
As I am sure your personal situation was that you stopped training in a indoor gym and started training more outside.
Ta.
Your right it's not for serious people and it may have been poorly researched (with heavy selection bias) - I take your word on that - but don't be so butthurt about it, it's not targeting like you said at advanced athletes, it's clearly addressing adolescents and young men who probably don't have a real reason to be getting into PEDs other then some shit they saw on tiktok . It's cool to post a response vid correcting misinformation I just think it's a tad silly to act like it was personal. Also very much doubtful it's some cold calculated money grab. Bioneer is a super wholesome sort of guy, afaik hasn't ever been involved in strength sports, is responding to a particular corner of tiktok/insta and trend or perceived trend among teens. misguided maybe, not malicious
He's got great tips& ideas but as for anybody in general, you should watch a variety of channels as to avoid any Echo Chambers or Cliques
I don't remember my exact comment on Bioneer's video but it started with something along the lines of "you shouldn't try to convince people to not take steroids with misinformation." A major problem with using misinformation is some kid will go into a gym thinking "I'll never do drugs because X, Y and Z" and then they'll see some guy in the gym and talk about roids and that guy is a rock climber, meaning this guy isn't affected X and Y and that lie makes the kid doubt the validity of Z and get on the roids when if they were just told Z is a problem they wouldn't have.
@kredonystus7768 agree, that's a universal principle. You can see it with the public distrust in the media now, just like you saw it with kids who grew up during Reefer Madness era in the 50s and 60s and in the DARE program in the 90s. There are a lot of people in the comments who are saying, "who cares, anything that keeps people away from steroids is a good thing". Those people are dangerous.
@@AlexanderBromley amen
@@AlexanderBromley Man, I don't think that there is any real defense of steroid usage. Sure, you shouldn't make stuff up to scare the kiddies away from it but a real honest analysis should be plenty to discourage anyone with a good head on their shoulders from using it. Anything beyond a therapeutic dose of TRT for people who would otherwise have abnormally low testosterone levels is just trading years of your life for vanity. Sure some high level athletes and actors get paid enormous sums of money to look and perform the way they do, and I'm not gonna try to be someone's dad and tell them that they're making the wrong choice, but for basically everybody else it's just dumb. You're actively hurting yourself so you can do a better job playing strongman games, boosting your self esteem, and looking big enough to get clicks on youtube. That's ridiculous. Again, I'm not your dad, do what you want but minimizing very real risks and encouraging others to take steroids is a bad look
I really enjoy your training & programming vids but getting tired of all the drama vids.
You have to correct misinformation
I'm a lifelong combat sports athlete. Steroids will ABSOLUTELY enhance power.
"militaries don't use steroids" bruh.... I can't believe I heard that. Special forces are full of people on gear, anyone who's been around them (I've known both green berets and SEALs) knows it if they're keyed in on what to look for.
Omg. Finally someone refutes his dogwater video. His video is such a joke. He has no idea what he’s talking about. It’s infuriating.
“They’re not making you recruit more muscle fibers” lmao that’s literally what Anavar does.
What happened when Barry Bonds took steroids? He went from a hall of fame player to the best hitter of all time.
I’ve never seen anyone change the title and thumbnail as much as bromley 😂
Really? Its pretty standard. YT dashboard literally has a A/B split test feature for thumbs.
Lets be real here. Unless you're competing you should not take roids. Full stop.
Bromley slowly turning into a drama channel
More views, Greg Doucette figured this out long ago!
I like slop content. So right up my alley. This piggie loves slop.
The end result of almost all fitness channels. Fitness just isn’t deep enough to make quality content last indefinitely.
@@1TieDye1 Exactly.
Maybe his wife will write a cookbook... :)
Pls bro pls go back to making actionable content that I can apply in the gym. It’s why we’re all here in the first place.
He’s always done content like this tbf. Just gotta filter out this kind of stuff if you don’t want to watch it
No
I must be force fed information about disagreements between ppl
cry
He has over 5 years worth of content that last I checked, is still relevant. I have no idea what more "actionable content" you want him to do. Are you allergic to scrolling through his old videos or something?
Adam literally states in his video that a lot of his points are "worst case scenario" and that you'll be fine if you're careful and don't overload yourself with roids and stay in the moderate range. He says it in like the first 5 minutes of his 18 minute video 😂
This guy is basically a gref doucette clone at this point
@comicenthusiast You are aware that he makes that statement then frames all use as the extreme by making no mention to likelihood of the extreme. It's playbook fear mongering and straw-man. To give an example. Imagine I said you shouldn't exercise or compete because you have so many injuries, heart issues, develop psychopathy, lose financial stability. All those can be true....but they're ludicrously extreme cases. Ironically though the raw numbers of those case likely outstrip the number of persons facing the brutal steroid results. It would be an equally dishonest argument when you ignore incidence rates. It's such a poor approach to arguments or statistical thinking.
Even worse actually as you go on in the video he frames things as if he's not describing an extreme strawman. "The typical steroid user" when he refers to the muscle bound gorilla physique for example. This sort of framing is used throughout. Seriously it's a very common rhetorical technique whenever you're appealing to in-group dynamics. Now these are extreme examples but think about the classic "not all men, but skreed about men" "not all Muslim immigrants but frame in Islamophobic propaganda". The nuanced framing of acknowledging the presence of extremes without painting it as homogenous group only works if you appeal to rates of incidence and causal pathways within the group. Seriously this type of thinking shows a serious disconnect from statistical reasoning.
@@wotanjugend974I see literally no similarities between the Bioneer and Greg Doucette
@@projectjaguar5638 He's talking about Bromley, genius.
Being a lifter is just a small part of my life.
Steroids affect the very basis of your existence in a negative way (especially the health of your body).
To me, everyone who thinks that having bigger muscles or being able to lift heavier weights is worth risking your own health, has way bigger issues...
Do you include all CrossFit clowns or just traditional strength sports
@@Axelcat11 What are you talking about?
I was talking about Steroids, no matter what sports you do.
Exactly my thought. We are not ONLY lifters, we are human beings after all. But I guess some forget that because ego gets attached to the image of what we think we are.
@@TheDonJaro Exactly!
There is a life outside the gym.
@@nealsterling8151 making sure you only mentioned bodybuilding and strength in general. Not all the other athletes on PEDs
I think you are big time coping. He is actually offering a balanced view and saying that for most people it probably isn’t worth it.
But like any school girl, you can always find something to gripe about if you look for it.
The entire point of the video to me seemed to just be "steroids aren't healthy". Like how can you get so angry about that?
I'm angry about the lying and wrong shit he said? you should be angry about it too.... these tactics hurt your cause in a big way
@@AlexanderBromley the reason it is obvious cope is how personally you took it. Like, yeah, dude prolly was a nerd in high school. But he is very fit for a natty. And I don’t agree that anything he said was very wrong. Steroids, even testosterone, have side effects and he is pointing that out. And you are acting like all the gym bros are just taking TRT. They aren’t
@akn0187rmb 1.) he's not natty, he admitted to taking oral steroids, 2.) His entire premise is steroids don't do anything. Either you didn't watch it or you have a learning disability.
@ 1. I never heard the guy say he took them. If he did, cool, didn’t realize.
2. His premise is that they are lame, sure, but he was balanced in the fact that he admitted they can work for some people, especially people who want to look jacked, but they aren’t healthy. Also true.
No amount of steroids is healthy. Your body can make your own test as long as you live a healthy life.
While a good amount of his points are just wrong, Bromley appealing to a small trt dosage to argue that steroids aren’t that bad is quite disingenuous - of course steroids in moderation are not that bad - but they are inherently addictive and the bioneer is certainly having a better impact with his video compared to this defence of steroids
Misuse of the term "addictive". But you proved my point, ' wrong info is ok as long as it gives the result i want '
Are they inherently addictive?
@@AlexanderBromley so that makes it ok for you to do it? junkie logic
No. Some people getting addicted isn't sufficient. People get addicted to sex and stock market trading. Overwhelming majority of people who go on dont stay on long term
@@AlexanderBromley lol, so you ARE deleting comments! ha, i just posted to this thread and I check it a minute later, comment gone and you posted a new one! lol, super cringe my guy.
Bromley is correct but I don't like the drama stirring direction this channel is taking. Leave that shit to Doucette
Former drug abuser gets upset at criticisms on his former drug of choice lol
It’s the typical response from guys like this.
Former? I thought he jumped back on recently.
He is so meatball marinara red. Is he ok?
Mate why not make sound arguments against use. You weirdos have me in the comments and I'm not even a user nor ever intend to be 😭. Just make solid arguments ffs.
Making shit up isn't criticism lol.
The point from the bioneer about how militaries dont use steroids is hilarious after I just watched a video from a legit spec ops guy talking about how prolific roids are on the inside (mostly just test prescribed or recreational and $arms) because of all the injuries they rack up and whats called "operator syndrome"
Lots of special forces get the nano tech stuff , wilder than any gear
In A school there were guys getting caught ordering sarms. I'd imagine after it it's a lot easier to order literally anything once your mail isn't checked.
Yep. Our first documented uses of steroids were for military use. The guy is free to be wrong though. Still makes other good content.
Valhalla vft?
Green berret chronicles said, that roiding is their culture. Who would of thought, that special forces are lazy to exercise and so vain... Nobody would say shit against HGH, or any other repair compound, but test and other roids? There is no excuse for this.
You know I’m biased as fuck. I love the Bioneer, but I’ve been watching Bromley’s stuff for a long time too, but I just don’t agree with Bromley on this one.
The vast majority of people should not use gear for a whole plethora of reasons beyond the reasons the Bioneer stated.
Lists of gear users both renown and unknown have died from gear abuse, not mention the psychological effects. I understand why a competitor uses gear. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it, but the common athlete? The athlete I think the Bioneer is advocating for should they also use gear? How young? What’s the source of their steroids? Are they being medically overseen to monitor health risks from steroids? I mean where do you draw the line? Now you’re taking potshots because there’s an emphatic argument against steroid use?
Low blow vid from Bromley. To disagree is one thing but this whole video sounds just sounds butthurt. Not even mad, just disappointed.
Thumbs down.
Many of Bromley’s criticisms are accurate, but they come from the perspective of a mature user, whereas I suspect the intended audience for Bioneer’s comments is rather less thoughtful. He’s taken this too personally. Both Bioneer and Bromley are awesome. Not nice to watch an unnecessary mud slinging.
@@jamesmotorola6866 The false logic Bioneer used is still false even if the intended audience are uneducated.
He reacted Alan Thralls video about why he wouldn't want to take gear a few years back and had zero issues with that video because Alan didn't use flawed logic while talking about it.
@BulletArc47 I also believe the vast majority of people should not use gear, I've said that many times. Did I say something here that suggested otherwise?
I address the 'death from gear use' thing; it's not a real argument. Pointing to IFBB pros as evidence is like saying "x-ray machines are dangerous, just look at Chernobyl". Regular people are not dropping dead from gear use.
I'm taking potshots because he lied about a bunch of shit or was outright ignorant of the subject.
It's just so fucking bizarre to see so many people say "bad vid, disagree", using a bunch of points I didn't make to explain it.
@@AlexanderBromley Bromley, taking the argument that responsible use of gear is okay, is saying it’s okay for everyone to use PEDs, so long as you are responsible about using it. Like drink responsibly; use gear responsibly.
Sure, you didn’t say everyone should use gear directly, but the argument, mature use of gear is okay, is easily inferred. I respectfully think there is some innate danger to this argument. What about the young men (or women) that dont have the insight, resources, genes, or maturity that you do, but look up to you, and say, “You know Bromley is strong as fuck, I wanna be strong as Bromley.” Then go out and find a shit PED source that has filler macro-particles in it and it eviscerates their entire systemic blood vessel network. It’s definitely happened.
I don’t think the Bioneer lied about anything. Gear can cause, potentially, all the aforementioned effects.
You took his video too personally.
You are not any one of the things he said, true. However, what’s good for the goose is not always good for the gander. There are many people that are at least a few of the Bioneer’s listed traits of gear use.
And FYI, X-rays are dangerous Bromley, sure they’re not gamma rays level of dangerous like Chernobyl, but there is a reason there are not street corner foot fluoroscopes anymore.
Find a better simile man.
I’m not making any more posts about this issue here. I think I might make a whole video about the risks and benefits of gear use.
You don't get to make that claim when every supporting piece of evidence was a lie or a misunderstanding, make cogent argument based in fact and not your own biases and bad info ☺️
Was the steroid user triggered by someone critiquing steroid use??
Care to respond to his points?
@skillzilla111 was the fanboy triggered that his favorite ninja cosplayer was full of shit?
@@AlexanderBromleyyou’re raging 😂
This isn't going to end well
If it goes well, something went wrong
why do you keep on trying to humiliate the guy for like "being a nerd?" we're all losers, your sport of choice came from circus performers and youre not even at the top of it. everybody love your families, love yourself, and calm down bromley
I know, I'm not best in the world, how do I sleep.
I'm a nerd too. I still have action figures and graphic novels from when I was 10. He gets shade for being a nerd because its an aesthetic He appeals to over real life. He's verging on delusion
Brother what are you on about. Its not an aesthetic, bro is just being himself. Junkies are so easily triggered
@@AlexanderBromley i see you have decided to enter the youtuber death spiral. have a cringe AF take, reveal yourself as a petty POS and a bully, then go to the comment section to condescend to the people rightly calling you out. apparently the Bioneer hit a little too close to home. oh well, once a junky pos always a junky pos. unsubbed and blocked.
He said a bunch of shit thats egregiously wrong using DragonBall z analogies. His hypotheticals are the stuff of Brice Lee fanatics who have never been in a fight. This isn't "being yourself", it's spending too much time away from other people
@@AlexanderBromley real funny there is a new comment from you on each thread one of my comments gets deleted from.
Points made in the vid are solid but some of this is borderline bullying. If he’s wrong that’s cool, point it out, but no need to attack the guy for being himself.
His consumption of fantasy content has blurred the lines of whats real. Hes using martial arts movies and anime to provide the basis for his hypotheticals at the expense of real world expertise. The nerd jokes fly.
It looks like everyone is defending the bioneer because he is the good guy, defending the noble natties, and Bromley, since he is enhanced, is the villain. To me, that guy looks like someone who is getting called out for a bunch of nonsense. Don't get me wrong, i love the fact that the community is getting "nattier" and I am and will always be natty, but this is someone who's marching on this process to get visibility and spreading misinformation. Do you remember when your parents told you not to do something otherwise you'd face big consequeces, then you'd do it, the consequeces were not as bad as you thought and you'd keep doing it? It seems the same to me
Bromley saw the video from Bioneer, took it personally, and then (in true schoolgirl fashion) convinced himself that the way to deal with his convictions over the matter would be to subtly justify steroids by
1) calling this video a "criticism" and
2) defending himself by saying, 'are you even listening to me?'
Yes. Yes we are. Steroids put people in the grave sooner, end of story. No need to underhandedly publish a personal diary of your emotional response to that fact.
Thats a retardedly stupid statement and it's why these videos are necessary. Lol go back to your church group, Helen
@@AlexanderBromley Would have expected such a pathetic statement from your blind followers, but from you directly
Wow, you sound so weak Bromley…
Steroids are so dangerous that the worldwide medical establishment is ready and willing to prescribe them. Yep, makes sense.
Bromley is just a shit talking channel. Best of luck
I read the thumbnail as 'ROids are TELEPATHIC' and i admit I wanted to know more.
They're not reading people's minds, it's the voices 😂
Bioneer is right steriods are pathetic outside of elite sportsman
I mean he is pushing alot of his statements too far but the message of staying natural FAR outweighs everything else
The merit of the arguments don't matter so long as I agree with the moral grounding.......you realize that's the stance you're taking.
@Isaiah_McIntosh I acknowledged that he had outrageous claims but still yes the message to young impressionable teens should be to discourage drug use.
This is coming from somebody's who's friends started taking gear and now have either low T or can't have kids
This isnt criticism of Bromleys video, this is my opinion on the matter
@MateyMateev-eq9wf Your original comment is that it outweighs anything else, I take it anything else includes his dishonesty and errors. It's two wholly different comments.
You think one should stay natural and that's a noble thing to encourage especially to youth. Your comment says one should encourage people to stay natural and that ends justifies any means (taking your charitably when I say means I mean strictly semantic tricks or dishonesty).
This type of thing is kind of rampant in the comment section where because people agree with the moral stance they're making pretty wild arguments and comments that I'm pretty sure they don't actually hold and would back track on if they applied the logic to other topics.
Sad to see a grown man making a video calling someone else a "doofus" and defending PED use.
yeah grown men arent allowed to call each other out 🤣
@@megadeth1818 grown men aren’t so insecure and don’t get so easily offended by others thoughts that they feel the need to make videos specifically to criticise others valid opinions.
They focus on themselves and what they are doing.
Can’t say I’ve seen too much from the bioneer naming and criticising other people in his videos.
Maybe that’s why the bioneer has nearly 4 times the audience he’s not negative with almost every video or slinging crap on the internet instead of creating good content.
@@eldanno5970you realize that in this framework a "grown man" cannot address misinformation. Why arbitrarily draw the line at making videos? Why isn't commenting repeatedly on someone's video a sign of not being a "grown man"? How is it morally better to not engage with other opinions especially when they're demonstrably wrong and misleading?
@eldanno5970 Bioneer has a big following because hes keeping his audience forever small and pretending to train like fucking batman. Dude is a goof ball for kids that are not serious about training.
@@eldanno5970so why does vshred have 4 times the views of Bioneer?
Bromley, even as a guy who finds the bioneer unbelivably annoying, and as someone who essentially fully agreed with every point you made in this video despite having no interest in taking PEDs, I think this type of video is kinda classless, doesn't reflect that well on you and your brand, and is likely to attract a bad sort of audience while also alienating your actual viewerbase.
Why? I'm natural myself but the Bioneer made a ridiculous video and Bromley is critquing him.
@@joshp.2872 As others have pointed out, nobody follows Bromley for drama, deserved or not, even though he's been making more of that content recently. I couldn't care less what the Bioneer says; most of his videos I've seen are worthy of criticism, but I have no interest hate-watching that criticism. I don't follow any of the guys who do that sort of thing as their schtick, and previous experiences have left me with low opinions of both that sort of person, and the people who follow them.
Most of us love the Bioneer and even if his science didn't science enough this time, he's trying to counter the enhancement epidemic that's making 22 year old boys be on TRT forever
@ShikiPlays420 I would be an ally in that fight. But this is what the zero tolerance purity spiral does; sucks out all of the nuance, puts everyone under one of two camps and turns the tension between them up to 1000. It also often shoots itself in the foot with these tactics, which lose them credibility. "Doing what's in everyones best interest" isn't an excuse. People don't like being effing lied to.
Is blasting gear really that popular now? It could just be the spaces I'm in both virtual and real, but all of the natty guys I know are adamantly against gear on a moral / ethical level. Online, I see way more "fake natty callouts" and "steroids are cheating" content than I see people giving a pass to or condoning AAS use.
Greg doucette does such drama style fitness content better. He comes off as a comedian rather than a douchebag even as he throws insults at his opponents. Bromley should just stick to his lane.
Funny that arguments about facts is called drama in this space. I bet the audiences for makeup and hair aren't this soft.
I actually agree with your arguments over facts more than bioneer's.
But let's not play dumb here, cause I actually think you're a pretty intelligent person. Your video was laced with drama stirring commentary like, "he's someone who's probably a nerd, probably bullied to shit in school..." And many other comments into the state of mind of another person and often in the worst possible light.
If you read through the comments section, which I'm sure you did, you'll see that most people have no issue with your arguments over facts. They just didn't like your tone and how you've laced your factual arguments with gratuitous digs on bioneer. And, they didn't like your tone because they expected better of you.
Doucette doesnt do anything better than anyone
You can also make good arguments against steroids using facts.
Juice head Bromley making some awful points.
Go back to your church group, Helen. You're late to protest the legalization of weed
@AlexanderBromley dude, you abused drugs just to be mogged by natty powerlfiters.
AHAAHA what are you, 12?? Put your parents on the phone
@@AlexanderBromley keep coping 😂😂😂.
@13:08 youre just being a bully and an ass at that point bro it doesn’t look cool wtf.
Thanks for the encouragement Bromley. Starting a cycle tomorrow!
Yep, cuz if it's not blind fear it must be blind support.
@@AlexanderBromley /s. I was already on. 👍🏻
Roids are pathetic. Get over it.
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Nah they're brilliant. Mike moore sitting in his mum's basement with a BMI of 43
@@Agnes135 Cope
You know, it’s ok not to post videos every now and then….Less CAN be more.
Thats not true for youtube business. You dont know what youre talking about
@ ok buddy
less money
I like how your entire video is debunking every sentence he speaks and not trying to come to any sort of understanding or middle ground or anything
If every sentence you say can be debunked, what would be the value in coming to a middle ground?
This comment section is completely brain dead for the most part on both sides lol
YEAH even Bromley. He wrote like 2 paragraphs responding to some kid called iAmADemon2012
This was a bit too defensive I think. If steroids are just technology, then use a forklift in your competitions. Steroids are for people that want to be bigger and stronger, but it's not an accomplishment. It's like using a forklift.
This is SUCH a stupid argument. Please send me the bullet point pdf that outlines when you are allowed to feel 'accomplished' over something. As if it isn't just some made up shit you can pull out to make yourself feel better.
There are forklift competitions, and tractor competitions, and airplane competitions. They have their own difficulties that define the competition and you don't get to hand wave that away because you think they should put your boring-ass manifesto for self-improvement in the gym at the center of their universe.
Go do the same sorry workout millions of other people do, pat yourself on the back, and feel really good about it. Afterwards you can turn on UA-cam and be entertained by all of the people who break themselves in half pushing the limits.
@@AlexanderBromley look at his username, you're arguing with a 12 year old. You've gotta stop responding to comments, people leaving angry comments don't want to have an actual discussion. They'll ignore evidence because they're biased. Responding to hate comments looks bad on you too, especially when you're talking to a 12 year old.
seriously, baldness and gyno is enough risk for me to stay away. That and I'd probably have to be on shit for the rest of my life and explain to everyone that im not on steroids its just TRT while being bigger and more jacked than ever at age 45
And that's a much more consistent and logical argument than bioneer made in his video 🤣😊
Just take dutasteride and an aromatase inhibitor
@@Agnes135 just take more on top, wow why didn't I think of that sooner
@@archduke0000 lol, right?
So cringe to watch Bromley defend steroids.
Honestly cringe to watch his channel at all. I unsubbed. Dunno why I ever did.
He isn't defending steroid use the argument the bioneer is making is that steroids won't help in athletic performance which is just not true
You did not watch the same video I watched
He's always sort of leaned on the side of steroid "apologist", just look at his "steroids are not a super serum" video. I think he's still one of the more rational fitnesstubers but you can tell when steroids are put down that it bruises his ego. Even in his alan thrall video in his comments he equates the ills of steroids being no worse than alcohol.
What? Apparently you didn't watch the video or don't know how to understand information being explained on what's true and what is not!
Bioneer's rant makes it seem like he thinks olympic level track athletes/gymnasts/weightlifters are natural
Bioneer is the man
lol he's a bullshit artist and a dork
I took creatine once, I am no longer natty. Sorry gamers.
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo I never wanted to see this
Roids and cigs are cool as hell
Markus Rühl agrees
If you want to use PEDs in a way that lets you age well, read Clarence Bass. He used light doses just before competing to help him preserve muscle during final cuts. Then he trained naturally for the rest of the year until just before the next show. His perspective is very reasonable and has proven to be effective and healthy in the long run.
Idk if you'll read this, but I'm a parkour athlete. Regarding around 4:45, I've been interested in doing a cycle and seeing how it affects my performance (I don't compete; I just really want to be stronger and faster). If I do, I'll let you know my results. I really enjoy your videos in general, but you made point around minute 25, when you're talking about risk-reward assessment. That's something I feel like I have to explain to everyone who makes fun of parkour because stairs exist lol. Really enjoy your content man!
Dude should take at least one boxing class before putting that awful technique on UA-cam.
I do so love the mind of people rationilizing gear use for performance.
"Instead of taking something to gove you a little edge, why not stay in your bubble of mediocrity?" Sugar plum, if you need a substance to get an "edge" to uplift you from mediocrity, then you are still mediocre. If the thing that makes you not mediocre comes from a bottle, then its not you; it's the substance thats to credit for your accomplishment.
derp
What a dumb fucking made up rule. Lol. I would pay to see you argue that in a philosophy class.
@@AlexanderBromley who said anything about a rule?
But if you could be more than mediocre then why take gear? If you couldn't be more than mediocre without gear, then it's the gear that's making the difference.
Is that really a controversial take?
@taylorhillard4868 That was a really tarded way of saying "you do more with steroids". No shit....
I want to lift more, so I'm leaving no stone unturned. You have to do a better job of explaining why I should do less
@@AlexanderBromley I mean, I've used a forklift to move more weight than you've ever done even with steroids. Do I get to call that my accomplishment as well? 3 tons? Or is there maybe something else that's letting me lift that weight? By your logic I guess it doesn't matter. You can do anything as long as more weight gets moved around.
If the steroids are necessary, they get the credit. Just like the forklift gets credit for lifting a 3 ton pallet of stone.
The biggest thing steroids bring to highly technical sports that also require a high degree of strength and, thus, muscle mass is the ability to spend less time in the weight room and more time practicing the sport itself. That means if someone can be 250 lb jack and athletic natty but the training to maintain that results in too little sports practice, they will benefit from steroids by being just as jacked as they would be natty but with more time on sports practice.
What a shitty hill to die on.
People saying wrong things? Fucking disagree on that one bud
@AlexanderBromley ok junkie
Trained in martial arts my entire life when PEDs were used my punches and kicks were way more powerful than ever! Its not just a little difference its a HUGE difference! The only problem that can make a difference is the pump after a while can hinder you. But for the first couple minutes you are a powerful wrecking machine!
It is pathetic. Not in every case. In the case of guys that are so lazy they need various drugs just to work out inconsistently and look just above average.
@@FirstnameLastname-pe5ib That was a silly unenformed comment
This video is exactly the response that we needed to that video. I thought nearly all of the same things after watching. Anyone who has been in the lifting community and sports exercise science community are going to be aware of exactly these things. The bioneers video is factually false in a number of ways, not only does it disagree with statistical analysis it disagrees with anecdotes and experiment both as well, it disagrees with reality,a good portion of it simply isn’t true at any level.
Arnie blasted so much, it lowered his IQ considerably and soon enough he was suitable for acting and politics. There must be a truth to it, hahahahahahah. The Bioneer is such a hack. He's the perfect example of someone who brings some information with enough of a veneer of intelligence and being civilized, so quite a lot of people fall into the trap. It's the same thing with all those 'science-based' gurus. For example, Nippard's fanbase probably consists of 90+% beginners and some long-term trainees who are heavily into death by paralysis and they weigh 165 lbs and fear bulking, because then they lose abs...
Given your knowledge on steroids, how can one maximize the positive effects gained from them, while minimizing both the short and long term negative effects?
Too complicated to give a generic response responsibly. Go to a doctor screen your shit first then go to a chemist lol.
Ruining your natural hormone production for no good reason is pretty pathetic.
Oh no! Take my eyes but not my hormone production!
People tank their hormones with shit food, a modern synthetic lifestyle, prescription drugs, alcohol and emotional dysregulation... no one has anything to say. But if there's a positive trafe off, suddenly you're super concerned about my HPA axis. Shit comes back with 4 weeks of clomid. This is a cope.
You don't get it man, these guys HAVE to juice and decrease their lifespan to become mediocre powerlifter/bodybuilders! They HAVE to. It's so badass and awesome when your balls shrink and hair goes away. Gives a super cool alpha vibe yknow?
@@AlexanderBromley i mean most of that is not permanent n easily fixable destroying ur body n brain for vanity is not it
@@zone453 So you got on the sauce lost your hair and have tiny balls. Because you had no discipline and drive to train consistently and eat properly. I see your point
@AlexanderBromley Do you honestly think no one in the fitness community talks about or warn others about decrease in testosterone production based on lifestyle choices? Is the crisis in testosterone levels really an unheard of phenomenon in the fitness zeitgeist?
Face it anyone that uses roids...IS THE KING DOOFUS
The problem with PEDs is that they work. Exceedingly so at times. Otherwise it'd be easy to convince people to not use them.
Of course, they do have a severe cost on health . But we live in a time where people only care about the results (like AI, KPIs over quality of service and such).
Personally, I like to be 100% directly responsible for the muscle stimulus and improvents I see in my trainning aside from the few things I can't control (genetics, enviornment, etc.).
This might be your worst video to date
Because you like Bioneer or hate steroids?
@@AlexanderBromley Bit of both, for me.
@@AlexanderBromley for me its that I hate the glorification of self destructive behavior, bullying people for being a "nerd", and YT creators that post a cringe vod and then rage through the comment section deleting comments and condescending to people pushing back.
@@AlexanderBromley No other options huh? Neither, because your videos used to be useful and not drama. Your need to be this know it all and disagree with everything this guy says even when hes correct from another point of view. But I guess its the views youre after?
He's correct from another point of view and I'm a know it all... lol I have so much to think about
Not really a fan of all this UA-cam drama content. Hopefully future vids can go back to the content and culture, not individuals.
In the sport of Brazilian Jiujitsu therr's pretty much no drug testing. It's pretty well known that a lot of athletes use PEDs.These competitors are absolute specimen! Freaky agile, mobile, strong, etc. Without PEDs you barely stand a chance to compete against them.
Testosterone doesnt make you more anabolic, it just gives you more muscle, whether you train or not.
Bioneers whole thing is that he's a nerdy dad that is in to fitness. Making fun of him for his comic/anime shit is kinda like making fun of the autistic kid who thought he ran faster with naruto arms. Kinda feels like bullying 😂 All respect to both parties and im subbed to both of you.
Now i feel bad haha. Its the muddying of reality that gets him the shade. His hypotheticals are that of someone who watched too many Bruce Lee movies, and his DBZ analogy was atrocious. But appreciate the sub lol
Really appreciate this video. Lots of people with a chip on their shoulder on either end of the extreme. There’s the stereotype of the meathead who thinks he can beat anyone because he’s jacked. But then there’s the (much more prolific imo) inverse with the dude who is just as insecure and convinces himself that people who are stronger and larger than him are somehow inferior or that size and technical proficiency are mutually exclusive-when it mostly boils down to specificity in training
I doubt you care about the mechanism, but on the off chance that you do, testosterone is not directly neuroprotective. You can find this in any neurobiology or neuroendocrinology textbook, replacing testosterone in men who are hypogonadal has a neuroprotective effect because of the aromatization of the testosterone to estrogen in the brain. That’s why men using aromatase inhibitors cancel out this benefit.
It also appears to be true for women, but those studies are obviously confounded by the fact that the women are typically on aromatase inhibitors because of estrogen driven cancers, hence they’re often on chemotherapy drugs at the same time, and it’s well established that most chemotherapy drugs are neurotoxic. So, chemotherapy becomes a confounding variable.
The Bioneer is a exercise and health channel, and his content normally deals with lifting from the perspective of performance but also sustainability and longevity, and isn't made for Alistar Overeem or Brock Lesnar, but Joe Everyman thinking whether to blast and cruise a bit. And taken in that context his video wasn't really off point, misworded at a few places, but I'm struggling to think of a strength UA-camr that doesn't sacrifice absolute precision for a flowier narrative.
His main premise was that performance enhancers hurt performance....
But that's exactly the thing. Because of the focus of his channel and the exercise philosophy he advocates, his definition of performance is a bit different than what performance would mean in a strict "putting up numbers" context. He does say eg. that muscles get stronger with steroids, but that imbalances between muscle strength and tendon strength and increased occurance of ruptures is something which follows - and again, his video being made for the average person, performance is a general wellbeing metric.
@@gruba_____717 Did you watch the vid you're commenting on? Did you watch the vid it's responding to? You picked the only halfway decent point Bioneer made in an 18 minute video. PEDs are broadly speaking going to enhance performance in any discipline where strength could reasonably be a limting factor, and aren't going to hurt performance in any relevant way. You could say it hurts the "ethic" rather than the "performance" of the excercise, and I think that would be a lot closer to what he *actually* thinks, but that isn't what the bioneer *actually* claimed. He was very much talking about physical performance.
dont really get much out of this content that focuses on other influencers
This guy is such a tool. If you're a "serious student of physical culture" maybe dont bloat up and cut down so badly that you shit yourself in competition. Serious student my ass. Cocktails and bar snacks before a competition that defines your livelihood.
What a solid point. I have so much to think about
@AlexanderBromley well fair play man, at least you're humble enough to admit it. Focus more seriously on your sport and you might actually achieve something, rather than just trading off your "also ran" status on UA-cam.
@eatkunedo i was being sarcastic you knob. Content is my livelihood, competing is a hobby. I could be a paraplegic who shits his pants every 2nd hour; when I make a 30 minute lecture, its based on actual knowledge and experience. The bioneer gave himself away as actually having none
Not gonna say it hurts performance but it will your health and in turn your performance if you're dead
Bro is getting mild roid rage watching someone tell him steroids lower your IQ i see you fidgeting rubbing your face it will take a toll on your mind body and spirit you know it deep down Bromley
The bioneer fanboys are here in droves. Also…I love that nerdy shi but it’s cringe to use fiction as a legitimate source for your arguments.
This guy gets it
I stopped watching the bioneer years ago. His videos and workouts are overall bad - no programming , no progression schemes , minimal technique videos,etc... But he keeps spewing out these "train like goku" , "train like batman" type of videos since that gets clicks from beginners.
I also remember him making videos about nootropics (his experience about using modafinil).That coupled with his terrible advice makes me doubt that he is natty at all.
People don't criticise others who condem injecting different drugs. They don't say all the methheads who died were abusing it, they didn't take it responsibly like most do
Whats the bioneer wants to convey is that the classic brostyle of lifting paired with steroids will not turn you into some kind of freak athlete but rather an somewhat athletic freak.
He has a point there as some people, especially those highly involved in the bodybuilding sphere or who are quite young have a strong misconception as to the capabilities of bodybuilders.
He also is, as you said twisting arguments and leaving some gaps in his logic. Also I dont think those people are his viewership to begin.
I have big jeans and bad dreams, can you make some Bromley PJs?
I feel stupid every time I hear you talk. Your arguments are always so well thought out.
It seems every person I know who tore a muscle were on gear. I don’t think it has anything to do with the tendons not keeping up with the muscle strength. I think some sort of deterioration occurs to the tendons from the gear.
I think you’re confusing anabolic steroids with corticosteroids. Different things.
@ Not at all. Over the years I’ve known many many men that took gear, and a lot of them tore a bicep or a pec or something.
@ maybe we don’t know all the side effects from synthetic anabolics? Or maybe it simply is the fact that the tendons are notvstrengthening as quick as the muscles?
He was definitely painting a goofy misleading picture with that vid. That said: roids are sorta lame, widespread gear use is definitely a net negative for society at large considering physique inflation leading people to often give up or have unrealistic standards and are disappointed with themselves. It enables a lot of "frauding" in a sense because the physiques that they see are often selling a lie. If you consider a holistically healthier society a good thing, aka where people have less misconceptions about obtaining a good physique and more of them commit, I you should dislike gear use on such a scale at the very least.
Tha argument to Unrealistic standards is the biggest load of "poor me' victim bullshit. High performers don't owe you anything. You aren't entitled to be the best... because math. Move on
@@AlexanderBromley It's not about being entitled to be the best when people are literally profiting off of roid use to sell something to people that is impossible? You act like these "high performers" are all fully open and honest just showing off their performance as virtuous and pioneering olympians pushing the limits when the majority of them are grifters online. Also, not to put words in your mouth, but are you saying you'd rather roids be accessible to "high performers" and drive regular folk away/astray as a consequence than vice versa?
I hope your reply to that isn't "oh they should just do more research" because that'd just be blaming normies for being normies, the same way they get scammed by fake microsoft techs online. If someone has a bad first impression to lifting or one that paints it as way too arduous to be perceived as impressive, that is 100% reasonable for the average person to have a hard time committing for their HEALTH. So ultimately we're exchanging the almost glorification of these drugs via insane feats and viral things for a sort of despair-inducing gatekeeping effect that keeps people sedentary by what they see online. I've seen it first hand lots of times.
@@AlexanderBromley Welp my other reply got eaten before that one. Anyways tldr is that justifying PED use with "let grown men do whatever bro" is a shallow view when PEDs do actually impact society at large. I want a lot of my family to get into fitness, but they often get spammed with misleading transformations like those of PEDs despite me trying to educate them that it's a slow process for naturals etc. Obviously you can't make them more illegal or something, and it does lead to some freaky athletes, but I don't really think those things compounded with modern social media help anybody or the US population's health problem.
@@AlexanderBromley Dude are my comments getting deleted lol is this youtube?
This whole argument annoys me; if steroids didn't increase performance, we wouldn't screen for them in competitions, alas that's not the case.
The guy is right for the wrong reasons. Of course steroids will help your strength and sports performance. But for the vast majority of people the health effects are not worth the gains.
Freedom is scary.
Most guys cruise cycle today is more than what guys were blasting back in the 80s. It is kinda crazy how much roids have proliferated since social media has started
I've heard mixed things. Back in the day, no one was concerned about risk. I've heard of dbol being taken by the bottleful through the golden era and after. At the very least, the culture has access to real protocols, bloodwork, pct, liver support, etc. For how reckless doses were, I think we can only speculate
@AlexanderBromley i just listen to what they say. Obviously one needs to take what is said with a grain of salt. It would be extremely beneficial for everyone if steroids were legalized like they used to be. While we do have access to diagnostics today, a lot of guys don't use them. A 30 year old guy at my gym just died and it was probably because he used grams of steroids but didn't do any diagnostics at all. Pretty sad. He was a good dude
"It doesn't help you prevent anything by knowing the actual mechanism at play"
Easily the worst take Bromley has ever had.
a-a-are you saying that performance enhancing drugs ENHANCE performance???
Just because you're a nerd doesn't mean you're smart. That's the greatest misconception exposed in this video