Could you make video comparison between i3 12100f vs Ryzen 3 1200...I have Ryzen 3 cpu and I would like to see what to expect if I upgrade to i3...thanks!
price to performance its the absolute best value you can get and nothing comes close, only 10% slower than 12400 but thats if you dont really plan on upgrading. Get the i5 and you should be good for a long time, thats why its generally the most recommended budget cpu
Things to note. i3 4 cores is limiting and shows in the .1% lows and high/low frame drops. Both CPUs are locked at base frequency. The i3 is impressive architecturally but the 8700k at boost frequency or OC'd 4.7 to 5ghz on all cores is less of a bottleneck. Currently run a delidded 8700k with a 3080 10gb and 10gb is more of a bottle neck at 2k and 4k than the CPU. obvs a 5600x or any of the newer Intel 6 cores would mopp the floor but ppl are selling off used gaming rigs at rock bottom prices so good deals can be found locally
Did we watch the same video? The frame time graphs look almost identical. If the i3 12100 is limited by the 4 cores than what about the i7 8700 being on PCIe 3.0 (vs 5.0), and only having 256kB of L2 cache per core (vs 1.25MB). Only having 4 cores is a bottleneck for the i3 12100 but the i7 8700K has a list of other bottlenecks.
@@lharsay lol PCI 3.0 vs 5.0 and more cache yea....games still like raw frequency and cores are cores dude. Obviously you didn't notice the 8700k was 10 frames higher on the .1% and 1% lows for most games which will give you a smoother experience even in the average frames are still the same. Also who are you? Why so butt hurt about a 4 core processor... It's still a 4 core processor no matter how many threads it's got. It's max locked speed is 4.3ghz on turbo boost. The 8700k again is unlocked and can go to 5ghz. Your saying 2 more full cores all at 700mhz faster wouldn't have any effects on testing? Anyway who cares if you have a 12100f enjoy it.
@@johncampbell4084 1% lows from this video (picked from roughtly the middle of the footage): Forza: i7 wins by 5 frames Cyberpunk: i7 wins by 2 frames Hitman: i3 wins by 12 frames Days Gone: i7 wins by 15 frames God of War: i3 wins by 4 frames GTAV: i3 wins by 3 frames RDR2: i7 wins by 4 frames Horizon Tero Dawn: i3 wins by 4 frames Flight Simulator: i3 wins by 3 frames PUBG: i7 wins by 3 frames WHERE is the massive i7 win you were talking about? Also he didn't touch the core frequencies on the i7 but that's some premium DDR4 3800MHz memory right there, many 8700K chips might not even be able to run that memory frequency. About PCIe 3.0, in most games it doesn't matter but then there are the ones like Spiderman Remastered where a PCIe 3.0 motherboard can straight up cost you 10% of your fps.
@@johncampbell4084 Also if games still like the raw frequency over cache, please enlighten me how on Earth did the Ryzen 7 5800X3D gain ~20% performance over the 5800X despite 400MHz reduction in base and 200MHz in max turbo frequency?
Then you're killing off everything above. So no. i3 and the rest of i5 lineup will have 8 E cores for raptor lake. Let's hope the Pentium has some as well (just 4... please !) So they can finnally have HT on the Celeron and ditch 2c /2t once and for all
I heared about Raptor Lake CPUs : i3 13300 can use 4/8 or max of 4+2/10 i5 13400F with 6/12 or max of 8/16 i5 13600K with (8+4/20)/(6+6/18) i7 13700K 8+8/24 confirmed i9 13900K and KS 8+16/32
@@daemonx867 13300 surely won't be that way. It could be 4+4 or 4+8, each cluster of 4 E cores is there (or not) at once. 13600K seems more and more like 6+8
a GREAT cpu and the best value but further into this generation when devs start using the16 threads on consoles it might be hard to game on 8 threads so i5 12400f will be my choice for futureproofing
@@moabd7575some better b660 is good enoguh for this (example: b660 gaming x ddr4 from gigabyte) and for a cooler, some 2 tower air cooler with 2x120mm will do the job just perfect
@@moabd7575 Bruh use b660 or h670 OC on CPU is shit and 12600k is very efficient get a hyper 212 (good but cant go be safe for i7 with more than 125 watt ) Or MA 612 (recommended )
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
that's an arbitrary statement though without knowing ram timings. Speed is not a pure measure of goodness. you can have 3000mhz ram cl 14 and it's almost equivalent to 3800 cl18 ... on the Intel tighter timings seems to help .1% and 1% lows vs just getting "faster ram"
@@saricubra2867 8700k heats up more with 6 cores than a 10900k with 10 cores does. Both the same manufacturing process but a different die and ihs design. 8th gen is VERY hot
@@acwbit2368 In gaming i3 is better, and if u want editing power why would u go with an old gen i7?I dont see the reason saying 6 cores and 12threads. Why dont u just go for an i9 12th gen if u want editing?
Fun fact. i7 was tested with overclocked memory. i3 was deprived of memory overclocking. Although this also gives a small increase. I had the 12100f in overclocked tests. Overclocked to 5GHz with 6200MHz memory, the 12100f is already competitive with the stock 10900f. In some places it even bypasses.
I guess its not the competition (amd) that push intel forward but game developer (requirements) and course of time (r&d) that push intel amd nvidia and apple silicon
I got a used alienware aurora r7 with a intel 8700 and nvidia gtx 1080ti for 350 usd and its been the best smartest buy ive made in a long time. Ive contemplated upgrading it but cant see a good reason to do so. I might upgrade the gpu eventually but even then i dont see a huge need for it as anything over 1080p gaming is just dumb in my opinion and the 1080ti handles 1080p easily. The only drawback yo my particular system is the pcie being a x16 wired up as a x8 which limits how far it makes sense to take the gpu upgradability with this motherboard but the nice thing is the motherboard is one of the cheapest parts to change out espdcially for this old of a cpu so if that becomes a issue down the road its not a big deal. I debated getting a newer am5 amd cpu but really cant see why i would want to unless i decide to upgrade my 4k monitor to a higher refresh rate down the line but then i likely would need to also upgrade everything else.
So I need to upgrade my motherboard and CPU at a cost of around $500, and all the time and work to do it, and hope that there's no faults or other hardware or software problems from the swap. For a few FPS more? Worst upgrade ever.
Still the 4 core from Intel hunting down amd fanboys that called 4 cores dead 10 years ago when the first bulldozer allegedly 8core hit the market, too bad this 4 core would brutally destroy every ryzen till the 5000 series
Хз перешел с 10400 на 12100 - геймплей даже на глаз плавнее, графики мониторинга показывают тоже самое: 0.1% 1% - 59 кадров фар край 5 за 15 минут геймплея. Правда, играя даже в мост вантед (2005) и включая музон вк, ловлю дикие просадки и лаги везде, на 10400 такого никогда не было. Не могу понять, в чем причина((
@@karamba0 был и тот и тот, лучше конечно 11400. 12100 чисто игровой проц, 11400 может еще в работе много чего, даже с 6500хт записать геймплей 264 в фаст пересете. Только жрет в 3 раза больше)
А теперь меняем 8700k частоту на 5ГГц ,ведь вы брали 8700 с буквой k чтоб его разгонять,а не в стоке гонять,убираем у 12100 ddr 5 память,и 8700k улетает в космос,про разрешение qhd и uhd вообще молчу там 12100 отдыхает.
One thing seems to me sure is that both CPU's are severe bottleneck for the 3080. And looking at 2nd hand prices of the i7-8700k, the i3 is clearly the choice between them
Сделайте разгон 8700к и он порвёт этот i3. Снимаете не честные тесты, зачем снимать разгонный процессор с большим потенциалом и на стоке его гонять 👎👎👎👎👎
Para el i3 12100f maximo recomiendo una rtx 3050 y para rtx 3060 en adelante si es que tienen el presupuesto pues se compran el i5 12400f ya que un i3 12100f puede ir con una rtx 3060 pero no la aprovecha y no me gustaria tener cuello de botella en cualquier resolucion
I have tested an i3-10100 and an Rtx 3060 in 1080p and some 1440p modern gaming and found it to be a good pair. Not perfect, but I do not mind. Not a workflow powerhouse combination, but things get done. Nowadays the prices are OK in my opinion, although it is still possible to overpay in more expensive regions.
I used an R3 1200 OC to 3.8 with a 5600XT for a little while and it's mostly good but was bottlenecked in CPU demanding games. For instance HZD got down to 28fps in demanding scenes with lots of bots but 50+fps for most of the game. 3100 is much better with hi IPC and SMT so should keep up with the 6600 in almost all games but Hitman, CP2077, SotTR towns, you'll get CPU limited on occasion. IMO a good pairing.
4,7 is the single core turbo, all core turbo is 4,3. Intel stopped that gen telling us the turbo speeds and just told us the singlecore turbo that you'll never see a game use. Pretty sneaky ;) If you have a Z390 board you can enhance it to run at 4,7 on all cores but that's already overclocking territory.
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
power consumption: i7 - 95 W i3 - 58 W base power 3300 mhz i3 - 89 W turbo power 4300 mhz don't believe in such a low power consumption i3 at 4100 mhz in this test intel reports on its website a constant consumption of i7 95 W even when clocked at 5000 mhz. During this test i7 works at 4300mhz so the consumption should be lower than 95W and I agree with the consumption around 70W
I finally upgraded from an FX8320 to a rig that has an i7 8700k and GTX 1060 6GB and the difference in performance is jaw dropping. I was able to install an NVME M.2 SSD into the new PC and everything loads much faster. I'm very happy with it.
I bought an i7 8700, 16Gb RAM and GTX 1060 6Gb for only 250€. Now I will upgrade it with a better heatsink... I hope I don't spend more than €100 for that.
@@torvaltz8064 cause you can actually oc your 8700"k" cpu to about 5.2ghz and this video seems lock the 8700k at 4.3ghz and the 8700k with the motherboard and the ddr4 ram would be much cheaper
@@NamTran-xc2ip The i3 cannot be overclocked. It's locked down in the BIOS. Don't worry, though. Overclocking the 8700K improves frame rates by only 5-10% in games. It's not that much.
@@xstongames4778 all of those games that were tested do not take advantage of multi core cpus... theyre very heavily singlethreaded games.. of course the i3 will perform better in those
Whilst the i3 performance is really good, keep in mind the CPU usage percentage. When doing nothing but playing a game, the performance between these 2 chips are very close, but if you want to do any kind of multi tasking, like gaming on one monitor and social media/internet tabs on the other screen, you'll start to see performance degrade sooner on the i3 because it has less cores. The more cores, the better it will be at maintaining performance whilst multi tasking
The performance loss in minimal, as social media and brosers and etc. barely need any performance. It will be a 5% difference maybe. Dont get me wrong, 6cores is what I would recommend nowdays, as a 5600 only costs a few bucks more for way more performance, so the i3 id a stupid idea unless you are on a very thight budget, but the difference isnt as big as you think
I think it is also worth noting that single core performance here still matters. Single threaded applications will still benefit from recent improvements (IPC, cache, etc.) that contribute to better single core performance. It is not always just a number of core count battle. But of course core count still does matter, just not only. For example games nowadays lack the optimization that I think are enforced during the early days, as devs then had less to work with. Today, I've had my fair share of single threaded heavy games that just makes my other cores close to being worthless.
I have an i7-8086k and an 8700k and both can hit 5.2ghz, but I had an i5-8600k which could only hit 5.0ghz with 1.31v. According to Silicon Lottery, the worst 8700k's can only do 4.9ghz but a Silicon Lottery winning 8700k/8086k can hit 5.3ghz. Also, tweaking the Uncore helps a lot more than what people think it will.
12100f on average 4,18% faster than 8700k but if we consider lows too, the two processors are equal, since 8700k has 1,77% higher 1%s and 6,69% higher 0,1% (i know, meme percentage) if we maximize avg, 1% and 0,1%, 8700k is slightly better
OMG, thnx AMD for competition However my 8700k used to work on 4800 all cores
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Something is wrong, an avg of 50~70w may be causing the frequencies to work under the turbo freq... My 8086K goes over 100w with no effort and works almost 100% of time at 5GHz while gaming.
95W TDP doesn't mean it pulls 95W at all time. That figure is for all core workload at a specific Intel specified clock speed. No CPU draws the full rated power in a gaming workload. The 12100F is also rated at 58W but will only pull half of that while gaming.
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@@krazyfrog Yeah I know, I dont mean that it needs to pull all 95w all the time or even more, but I can play 60~80 fps in the same place the test was done. The major difference is that I'm using a 7 year old graphics card, not a RTX 3080. My i7 8086K goes over 126w power and I'm testing with a Galax GTX 980 HOF. What I mean is that this i7 8700K is not using all his power, its more than capable to make more FPS than the video shows (probably in all games tested). And both processors are similar, the 8086K is just an overclocked version of the 8700, but they have the same specs. And about the workload, to give equal conditions, I've 1st tested with only main softs open, as Steam/Rockstar, MSI and GTA. Later I did with chrome to compare the FPS with the one in the video.
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@@krazyfrog I'm pretty sure that this i7 can push much more than 50% of GPU usage! And for example... here: ua-cam.com/video/bPD_PXCuM9s/v-deo.html we got an i7 8700K + RTX 3070 using 86w, runing closer to 100~120 FPS, 2560x1080... the same as the RTX 3080 in Full HD. Some settings may be different, setting the preset to ultra may prevent this kinda difference. Not the same place, but i cant find one! The next video does not show settings, but match GPU and CPU (ua-cam.com/video/1jyQHkg3eu8/v-deo.html) and the avg was closer to 130 FPS. And i'm gonna test Cyberpunk 2077 (i7 8086K + GTX 980 HOF) to see how game goes (I already can hear my 980 crying, but its ok, its fine)
The 8700K sure was a great CPU in its day. When I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board), I gave the 8700K machine to my wife to play card games and shop online. Nonetheless, I will always love that processor.
Yoo I was expecting it to get destroyed. my good ol` 8700k still kicking ass. I own a 12700k right now though. it's a freakin beast! got it cheap on Microcenter.
4460 here. Before that I had Phenom II X4 965, so it seems to be mu usual upgrading cycle. But I want to see next gen AMD CPUs before doing so. Few months more. Already bought 6950xt, which will last many years.
@@RudolfSikorsky That's awesome that you bought the RX 6950 XT, I upgraded my GTX 1060 6GB to an RX 6600 three months ago, it's worth the GPU upgrade for me. 😃
@@SuperDott98 Well going for 4k gaming (Single player RPG-S mostly, so framerates doesn't matter much (60 is still must, of course) but eye candy a lot.) Was considering 6800xt but here in Estonia they are still very overpriced while 6900xt/6950xt are at MSRP. (6800xt costs as much as 6900xt, strange, isn't it?)
@@RudolfSikorsky I know right? The 6800 XT should cost less at MSRP. Three months ago, I bought a brand new RX 6600 on eBay for $429.99 USD after I sold my GTX 1060 6GB for $260.
Games :
Forza Horizon 5 - 0:06 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5
CYBERPUNK 2077 - 1:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077
Hitman 3 - 2:18 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesHitman3
Days Gone - 3:16 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesDaysGone
God of War - 4:09 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGoWPC
GTA 5 - 4:55 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesGTA5
Red Dead Redemption 2 - 6:05 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2
Horizon Zero Dawn - 7:03 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesH0D
Microsoft Flight Simulator - 8:08 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesMFS20
PUBG - 9:17 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesPUBG
System:
Windows 10 Pro
Core i3 12100F - bit.ly/3f1iVHx
MSI MPG Z690 Force - bit.ly/3GVTNi6
32Gb RAM DDR5 5200Mhz - bit.ly/3BOxlni
Intel i7 8700K - bit.ly/3gYH14A
Asus ROG Strix Z390-F Gaming - bit.ly/34Vop2L
32Gb RAM DDR4 3800Mhz - bit.ly/2YmtsEA
GeForce RTX 3080 10GB - bit.ly/3hUikXp
SSD - 2xSAMSUNG 970 EVO M.2 2280 1TB - bit.ly/2NmWeQe
Power Supply CORSAIR RM850i 850W - bit.ly/3i2VoGI
Could i see your riva tuner settings please? :)
Could you make video comparison between i3 12100f vs Ryzen 3 1200...I have Ryzen 3 cpu and I would like to see what to expect if I upgrade to i3...thanks!
The i7 8700k is fine for gaming in 2023. It holds up well to the i3 12100f despite its age.
Don't need i5 or i7 to play games now. I3 is already enough
for those who multitask the i5 6/12 is still always recommended.
No shit Sherlock
But the bottleneck
price to performance its the absolute best value you can get and nothing comes close, only 10% slower than 12400 but thats if you dont really plan on upgrading. Get the i5 and you should be good for a long time, thats why its generally the most recommended budget cpu
@@madeinchina967 at 1080p...
Things to note. i3 4 cores is limiting and shows in the .1% lows and high/low frame drops. Both CPUs are locked at base frequency. The i3 is impressive architecturally but the 8700k at boost frequency or OC'd 4.7 to 5ghz on all cores is less of a bottleneck. Currently run a delidded 8700k with a 3080 10gb and 10gb is more of a bottle neck at 2k and 4k than the CPU. obvs a 5600x or any of the newer Intel 6 cores would mopp the floor but ppl are selling off used gaming rigs at rock bottom prices so good deals can be found locally
Did we watch the same video? The frame time graphs look almost identical. If the i3 12100 is limited by the 4 cores than what about the i7 8700 being on PCIe 3.0 (vs 5.0), and only having 256kB of L2 cache per core (vs 1.25MB). Only having 4 cores is a bottleneck for the i3 12100 but the i7 8700K has a list of other bottlenecks.
@@lharsay lol PCI 3.0 vs 5.0 and more cache yea....games still like raw frequency and cores are cores dude. Obviously you didn't notice the 8700k was 10 frames higher on the .1% and 1% lows for most games which will give you a smoother experience even in the average frames are still the same. Also who are you? Why so butt hurt about a 4 core processor... It's still a 4 core processor no matter how many threads it's got. It's max locked speed is 4.3ghz on turbo boost. The 8700k again is unlocked and can go to 5ghz. Your saying 2 more full cores all at 700mhz faster wouldn't have any effects on testing? Anyway who cares if you have a 12100f enjoy it.
@@lharsay also look 3.0 vs 5.0 PCI would effect what exactly? What do you think PCI interface is for? Look at real world testing of gpus on PCI 3 vs 4
@@johncampbell4084 1% lows from this video (picked from roughtly the middle of the footage):
Forza: i7 wins by 5 frames
Cyberpunk: i7 wins by 2 frames
Hitman: i3 wins by 12 frames
Days Gone: i7 wins by 15 frames
God of War: i3 wins by 4 frames
GTAV: i3 wins by 3 frames
RDR2: i7 wins by 4 frames
Horizon Tero Dawn: i3 wins by 4 frames
Flight Simulator: i3 wins by 3 frames
PUBG: i7 wins by 3 frames
WHERE is the massive i7 win you were talking about?
Also he didn't touch the core frequencies on the i7 but that's some premium DDR4 3800MHz memory right there, many 8700K chips might not even be able to run that memory frequency.
About PCIe 3.0, in most games it doesn't matter but then there are the ones like Spiderman Remastered where a PCIe 3.0 motherboard can straight up cost you 10% of your fps.
@@johncampbell4084 Also if games still like the raw frequency over cache, please enlighten me how on Earth did the Ryzen 7 5800X3D gain ~20% performance over the 5800X despite 400MHz reduction in base and 200MHz in max turbo frequency?
Okay, now with that level of power per core we need i3 6/12 and i5 8/16 on raptor lake :D (Obviously no E-Core variants)
Then you're killing off everything above. So no.
i3 and the rest of i5 lineup will have 8 E cores for raptor lake.
Let's hope the Pentium has some as well (just 4... please !) So they can finnally have HT on the Celeron and ditch 2c /2t once and for all
Dream on, Luis. You'll get that transition three or four years from now, but not before.
I heared about Raptor Lake CPUs :
i3 13300 can use 4/8 or max of 4+2/10
i5 13400F with 6/12 or max of 8/16
i5 13600K with (8+4/20)/(6+6/18)
i7 13700K 8+8/24 confirmed
i9 13900K and KS 8+16/32
@@daemonx867 13300 surely won't be that way. It could be 4+4 or 4+8, each cluster of 4 E cores is there (or not) at once.
13600K seems more and more like 6+8
@@Spido68_the_spectator Imagine a 13600K beating a 7900X or 7950XT
I7 8700k paired with a 1080ti was no joke lol
Mine is i7 8700K and with 2080 EVGA will upgrade to RTX 4090
That was my setup in 2017. Now I have a 3070 laptop(legion 5 pro)
Yeah. 8700K with 1080ti @ 1080p, will max every game bar ray-tracing, Cyberpunk and RDR2, for 60+fps. Still doing great at 1440p.
@Salt Maker lmao
@@bakatobijuu 60% of the 4090 performance will be wasted
a GREAT cpu and the best value
but further into this generation when devs start using the16 threads on consoles it might be hard to game on 8 threads so i5 12400f will be my choice for futureproofing
If you can afford than buy 12600k cuz it's better at multi or single than 11900k and 5700x
@@LightMCXx right but you will need a cooler and z690 motherboard and you'll end up paying a lot
and as a budget gamer i cant afford this shit tbh😂😂
@@moabd7575some better b660 is good enoguh for this (example: b660 gaming x ddr4 from gigabyte) and for a cooler, some 2 tower air cooler with 2x120mm will do the job just perfect
@@moabd7575 Bruh use b660 or h670
OC on CPU is shit and 12600k is very efficient get a hyper 212 (good but cant go be safe for i7 with more than 125 watt )
Or MA 612 (recommended )
@@moabd7575 Z690 good but 670H have all expendability as Z690 but B660 is more than also.
Imagine how good i3 13100f be, might be as good as 10900k
i dont think it will Evan come close
Maybe the 15100f will be like the 12900k
10900K bulldozer.
I don't think there's going to be 13th gen i3
Just like 11th gen i3 it was a refresh from the 10th gen
@@yaman7008 yeah it's pointless both from consumers and businesses perspective
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
5200mhz DRR5 is really slow for DDR5, its performance is the same as 3800mhz DDR4. In gaming atleast
@@otozinclus3593 sure. but no) diff like 10-20 fps
that's an arbitrary statement though without knowing ram timings. Speed is not a pure measure of goodness. you can have 3000mhz ram cl 14 and it's almost equivalent to 3800 cl18 ... on the Intel tighter timings seems to help .1% and 1% lows vs just getting "faster ram"
That i7 8700k is still today a freaking BEAST!!
one of the best cpus ever made.
It also has serious OC potential.
bro really ? the price 4x i3 lol
8700k is one of the worst chips intel ever made. It gets way hotter because they didnt design the chip and the ihs properly because of lack of time
@@SweatyFeetGirl Nah, 9700K. 8 cores, less cache and no HT unlike 9900K.
@@saricubra2867 8700k heats up more with 6 cores than a 10900k with 10 cores does. Both the same manufacturing process but a different die and ihs design. 8th gen is VERY hot
Same performance and 20-30w less power consumption..Impressive
and 5 years later mate
@@ufanisoneetze U compare an i7 top with a budget i3 lmao. Ofc the i3 its still better and more impressive
@@culixul better? Mf the i7 has 6 cores and 12 threads
@@acwbit2368 In gaming i3 is better, and if u want editing power why would u go with an old gen i7?I dont see the reason saying 6 cores and 12threads. Why dont u just go for an i9 12th gen if u want editing?
@@culixul 4 cores are dying and 6 cores are main stream
It took five years for the i3 to equal the gaming performance of an i7. Interesting.
I would like to see i7 8700 (non K) vs i5 12400F if you have both of them.
Fun fact. i7 was tested with overclocked memory. i3 was deprived of memory overclocking. Although this also gives a small increase. I had the 12100f in overclocked tests. Overclocked to 5GHz with 6200MHz memory, the 12100f is already competitive with the stock 10900f. In some places it even bypasses.
I guess its not the competition (amd) that push intel forward but game developer (requirements) and course of time (r&d) that push intel amd nvidia and apple silicon
I got a used alienware aurora r7 with a intel 8700 and nvidia gtx 1080ti for 350 usd and its been the best smartest buy ive made in a long time. Ive contemplated upgrading it but cant see a good reason to do so. I might upgrade the gpu eventually but even then i dont see a huge need for it as anything over 1080p gaming is just dumb in my opinion and the 1080ti handles 1080p easily. The only drawback yo my particular system is the pcie being a x16 wired up as a x8 which limits how far it makes sense to take the gpu upgradability with this motherboard but the nice thing is the motherboard is one of the cheapest parts to change out espdcially for this old of a cpu so if that becomes a issue down the road its not a big deal. I debated getting a newer am5 amd cpu but really cant see why i would want to unless i decide to upgrade my 4k monitor to a higher refresh rate down the line but then i likely would need to also upgrade everything else.
Imagine if the GPU market was also like this - from a perf/$ perspective!
It used to be, 10 years ago or more.
8700k a 4.3 ghz en todos los juegos?, cuando lo tuve corria a 4.7 ghz sin overclock, el i7 no esta probado a su maxima capacida
El i3 tiene un IPC 40% mayor o un poco mas. Incluso con overclock en el 8700K, la diferencia en IPC es demasiado grande para ser ignorado.
please compare all i9 from gen 8 to gen 12
I prefer game sound more than music. Don't add music again
So I need to upgrade my motherboard and CPU at a cost of around $500, and all the time and work to do it, and hope that there's no faults or other hardware or software problems from the swap. For a few FPS more? Worst upgrade ever.
Games today still aren't thread optimized.
will this be able to play warhammer space marine 2?with a 6600 xt
Still the 4 core from Intel hunting down amd fanboys that called 4 cores dead 10 years ago when the first bulldozer allegedly 8core hit the market, too bad this 4 core would brutally destroy every ryzen till the 5000 series
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Nope ;(
i feel like Dying Light 2 may have a big difference, any chance u can run quick test
Every new i3 has better performance with the same price than previous.
But every i7 k is future proof.
Damn 50% less power draw
DDR-5 test vs DDR-4 not a 12100 vs 8700
Baad
Хз перешел с 10400 на 12100 - геймплей даже на глаз плавнее, графики мониторинга показывают тоже самое: 0.1% 1% - 59 кадров фар край 5 за 15 минут геймплея. Правда, играя даже в мост вантед (2005) и включая музон вк, ловлю дикие просадки и лаги везде, на 10400 такого никогда не было. Не могу понять, в чем причина((
Тем временем я с i7 3770)
@@karamba0 вери жеска((
@@riki-s что лучше на твой взгляд 11400 или 12100?
@@karamba0 был и тот и тот, лучше конечно 11400. 12100 чисто игровой проц, 11400 может еще в работе много чего, даже с 6500хт записать геймплей 264 в фаст пересете. Только жрет в 3 раза больше)
@@riki-s спасибо
Ok this is incredible
Pov me with i3 5005U watching the evolved i3
А теперь меняем 8700k частоту на 5ГГц ,ведь вы брали 8700 с буквой k чтоб его разгонять,а не в стоке гонять,убираем у 12100 ddr 5 память,и 8700k улетает в космос,про разрешение qhd и uhd вообще молчу там 12100 отдыхает.
The i3-12100F is a $99 champ!
Guess I’m sticking with 9700k even longer
It's more than enough for atleast 3 more years. Don't get into marketing team gimmicks. The difference in gaming is negligible
i also use 9700k its good it peobably will be good for at least 2 more years
best budget for i3 gen12 for now a day... best tdp power of cpu...
One thing seems to me sure is that both CPU's are severe bottleneck for the 3080. And looking at 2nd hand prices of the i7-8700k, the i3 is clearly the choice between them
In 4k there is no bottleneck. I have a rtx 3080 ti and i7 8700k.
OC i7?
You are using 5200mhz ddr5 ram with i3 not fair
i7 8700k is a ROCK
300$ vs 90 this Sounds logical
And look at the i3's power consumption... Same as a GameBoy....
Gawd damn Alder Lake
2017-2018 i7 8700k the best cpu to gaming now i3 is better,
Thanks.
7700k 5 Years Difference
8700k in stock… wtf
💙💛
same
well the i3 is paired with better ram
Dislike coz 8700k should be at 5k mhz, otherwise there is no sense to compare ...
Сделайте разгон 8700к и он порвёт этот i3. Снимаете не честные тесты, зачем снимать разгонный процессор с большим потенциалом и на стоке его гонять 👎👎👎👎👎
Para el i3 12100f maximo recomiendo una rtx 3050 y para rtx 3060 en adelante si es que tienen el presupuesto pues se compran el i5 12400f ya que un i3 12100f puede ir con una rtx 3060 pero no la aprovecha y no me gustaria tener cuello de botella en cualquier resolucion
I can OC my 8700K to 5000MHz. so still better~
This is stock vs stock... stop crying lol
i have a i5 3330
I have tested an i3-10100 and an Rtx 3060 in 1080p and some 1440p modern gaming and found it to be a good pair. Not perfect, but I do not mind.
Not a workflow powerhouse combination, but things get done.
Nowadays the prices are OK in my opinion, although it is still possible to overpay in more expensive regions.
Top.
TANK YOU AMD
is 3100 and 6600 good?
I used an R3 1200 OC to 3.8 with a 5600XT for a little while and it's mostly good but was bottlenecked in CPU demanding games. For instance HZD got down to 28fps in demanding scenes with lots of bots but 50+fps for most of the game. 3100 is much better with hi IPC and SMT so should keep up with the 6600 in almost all games but Hitman, CP2077, SotTR towns, you'll get CPU limited on occasion. IMO a good pairing.
@@lewzealand4717 thx!
Like for GTA
🎀спасибо 🪄
Haha, EMPRESS. I guess you also can't afford to buy your games. :-P
Why is the 8700k locked to 4.3ghz? it should be at minium 4.7ghz = max turbo speed
4,7 is the single core turbo, all core turbo is 4,3. Intel stopped that gen telling us the turbo speeds and just told us the singlecore turbo that you'll never see a game use. Pretty sneaky ;)
If you have a Z390 board you can enhance it to run at 4,7 on all cores but that's already overclocking territory.
@@nilsholgersson7316 u can run every core at 4.7 ghz 0 stability issues lol
very good thanks but 4 years not 5
but 4 years 9 months not 4
Closer to 5 than 4... so...
almost 5 years
ok
cool but kind of sad if you think about it, i expected the i7 to be at least 20 fps more on average
Oh, it would be 20% or more powerful, if only amd didnt start the competion and didnt force intel to actually work at their desktop chips
Than off power limit . and rise BLC /
The I3 isn't a joke any more🤯
CPU usage too high = future bottleneck and stuttering from bad frametimes at cpu limit !
@@0ssi170 u have i3 just put a hell hound rx 6600
Nunca lo ha sido
never was
Another thing to note with these benchmarks, the performance might be skewed slightly because of the new chips using DDR5 memory and the older chips using DDR4 memory. Could be some scenarios where the i3 performance would be lower if it was using the same memory configuration as the i7 here
It's also remarkable how much less power the i3 is consuming for same or better performance. Great efficiency!
power consumption:
i7 - 95 W
i3 - 58 W base power 3300 mhz
i3 - 89 W turbo power 4300 mhz
don't believe in such a low power consumption i3 at 4100 mhz in this test
intel reports on its website a constant consumption of i7 95 W even when clocked at 5000 mhz. During this test i7 works at 4300mhz so the consumption should be lower than 95W and I agree with the consumption around 70W
@@yogimis i have an i7 8700k and at 5 Ghz it uses 167w. So 95w I'd say it's pretty optimistic.
@@yogimis believe it or not, but mine 12100f also uses 20/30w when gaming
@@yogimis At least in my case my 12100f consumes 35/40w average when gaming practically same as in this vid
@@Robbertdelange XD. My 13900K consumes 200W while gaming
8700k still going strong for over 4 years now, the upgrade from 4 to 6 cores is really helping it nowadays
it helps more the 1% and 0,1% lows
@@Leonardo-hy3qj true.
@@Leonardo-hy3qj 0.1 not 0,1
YES, all thanks to Ryzen
I finally upgraded from an FX8320 to a rig that has an i7 8700k and GTX 1060 6GB and the difference in performance is jaw dropping. I was able to install an NVME M.2 SSD into the new PC and everything loads much faster. I'm very happy with it.
how much did you buy it? I am planning to sell my 8700k 32gb ram z390 motherboard soon.
@@alrizo1115 your setup would prob still get you $150-200
I bought an i7 8700, 16Gb RAM and GTX 1060 6Gb for only 250€. Now I will upgrade it with a better heatsink... I hope I don't spend more than €100 for that.
@@torvaltz8064 cause you can actually oc your 8700"k" cpu to about 5.2ghz and this video seems lock the 8700k at 4.3ghz and the 8700k with the motherboard and the ddr4 ram would be much cheaper
why is the 8700k not overclocked to a stable 5000MHz? performance difference will increase significantly
The Big différence is: Intel 12th gen = ddr5 5200mhz.... And 8700k --> 4300mhz vs 5000mhz = 10fps won.
Uh to make a fair comparison...
The i3 is also not OCed
@@NamTran-xc2ip The i3 cannot be overclocked. It's locked down in the BIOS. Don't worry, though. Overclocking the 8700K improves frame rates by only 5-10% in games. It's not that much.
@streamx3m i am sorry, "4300mhz vs 5000mhz " 🤣🤣🤣 haha
@@selohcin you can overclock non k cpu's trough the bclk
I wonder how old Ryzen 7 2700X would compare to the new AMD Ryzen 5 4500?
4500 slighty faster
@@aditrex just slightly ?
4500 ever so slightly faster
@@Thedeathofpeaceofmind ye
@@blazesmooth5573 Have you tested them?
I hope to see more cores on the i3 versions at least e cores it will be a great upgrading
nope... maybe in the next next gen (14th) i3 (Meteor Lake) will be some e-cores... but in the non-K raptor lake i5 gonna be 4 e-cores
@@Soulleey it will be so sooner or later that's the matter
Comparing 5 Generations of Intel i5 Processors! 12600K vs 11600K vs 10600K vs 9600K vs 8600K
@@Soulleey who said raptor lake i3 wouldn't be 4+4 or 4+8 ? Everybody gets E cores with the new gen. 13600(K)(F) will be 6+8.
@@Spido68_the_spectator really ?
8700K Will be relevant for another 2-3 years in all games
its struggling in cs2 due to stuttering and frame drops :(
@@sikimasioi3 as well. I have i3 12100f with RX 580 and usually I get 250 fps average but sometimes it drops to 140 even
Good ol 8700k still holds up pretty well
Losing against i3 is holding good?
@@xstongames4778 all of those games that were tested do not take advantage of multi core cpus... theyre very heavily singlethreaded games.. of course the i3 will perform better in those
@@SweatyFeetGirl cp 2077 doesnt take advantage of multi core cpus? Tf are you talking about..
Comparing 5 Generations of Intel i7 Processors! 12700K vs 11700K vs 10700K vs 9700K vs 8700K
@@МальвинаКотик-л1ъ cp2077 prefers 2-4 threads but with lots of ipc
i3 12100F = Ultimate bang for the buck.
I have one 4.9 ghz with 4200 cl 16 ram and 3070Ti. 200 Fps in witcher 3 novigrad.
@@club4ghz Nice 👍👌
@@club4ghz so you BCLK overclocked it ? Nice ! How much power does it take though?
Whilst the i3 performance is really good, keep in mind the CPU usage percentage. When doing nothing but playing a game, the performance between these 2 chips are very close, but if you want to do any kind of multi tasking, like gaming on one monitor and social media/internet tabs on the other screen, you'll start to see performance degrade sooner on the i3 because it has less cores. The more cores, the better it will be at maintaining performance whilst multi tasking
The performance loss in minimal, as social media and brosers and etc. barely need any performance.
It will be a 5% difference maybe.
Dont get me wrong, 6cores is what I would recommend nowdays, as a 5600 only costs a few bucks more for way more performance, so the i3 id a stupid idea unless you are on a very thight budget, but the difference isnt as big as you think
I think it is also worth noting that single core performance here still matters. Single threaded applications will still benefit from recent improvements (IPC, cache, etc.) that contribute to better single core performance. It is not always just a number of core count battle. But of course core count still does matter, just not only. For example games nowadays lack the optimization that I think are enforced during the early days, as devs then had less to work with. Today, I've had my fair share of single threaded heavy games that just makes my other cores close to being worthless.
I think the performance gap between them on games will get only bigger in advantage of the i3
you can easily overclock i7-8700k to 5ghz and no need to upgrade)
I have an i7-8086k and an 8700k and both can hit 5.2ghz, but I had an i5-8600k which could only hit 5.0ghz with 1.31v. According to Silicon Lottery, the worst 8700k's can only do 4.9ghz but a Silicon Lottery winning 8700k/8086k can hit 5.3ghz. Also, tweaking the Uncore helps a lot more than what people think it will.
So i5 12400F is Better than i7 8700K and i3 12100F Having same perfomarmance
for those who multitask the i5 6/12 is still always recommended.
@@warssaudeetecnologia9180 obviously but im talking in terms of performance in gaming but i think the best cpu is the 12600K
12100f on average 4,18% faster than 8700k
but if we consider lows too, the two processors are equal, since 8700k has 1,77% higher 1%s and 6,69% higher 0,1% (i know, meme percentage)
if we maximize avg, 1% and 0,1%, 8700k is slightly better
Thanks so much for sharing!! Helps us a lot, prayers be with you.
I was gonna go for an 8700k but this just confirmed I need to upgrade the platform/motherboard too thank you!
And Ryzen 1600/1700/1800 owners with a bios upgrade. Can now pop a Ryzen 5800 3D or 5950X in the same AM4 motherboard from 5 years ago.
@@qrogueuk no one asked
@@aksyy3875 Just stating a fact
@@qrogueuk they right tho
It's funny that my parents and most people I have talked to still think that the i3 from 12th gen is far worse than an i7 from 5-6 gen ago
OMG, thnx AMD for competition
However my 8700k used to work on 4800 all cores
Something is wrong, an avg of 50~70w may be causing the frequencies to work under the turbo freq... My 8086K goes over 100w with no effort and works almost 100% of time at 5GHz while gaming.
interesting result
Why 8700k is only using 60~70w avg? Its a 95w TDP and my i7 8086K (95w) goes easy over 100w... something is wrong with this 8700K...
95W TDP doesn't mean it pulls 95W at all time. That figure is for all core workload at a specific Intel specified clock speed. No CPU draws the full rated power in a gaming workload. The 12100F is also rated at 58W but will only pull half of that while gaming.
@@krazyfrog Yeah I know, I dont mean that it needs to pull all 95w all the time or even more, but I can play 60~80 fps in the same place the test was done. The major difference is that I'm using a 7 year old graphics card, not a RTX 3080. My i7 8086K goes over 126w power and I'm testing with a Galax GTX 980 HOF. What I mean is that this i7 8700K is not using all his power, its more than capable to make more FPS than the video shows (probably in all games tested). And both processors are similar, the 8086K is just an overclocked version of the 8700, but they have the same specs. And about the workload, to give equal conditions, I've 1st tested with only main softs open, as Steam/Rockstar, MSI and GTA. Later I did with chrome to compare the FPS with the one in the video.
@@krazyfrog I'm pretty sure that this i7 can push much more than 50% of GPU usage! And for example... here: ua-cam.com/video/bPD_PXCuM9s/v-deo.html we got an i7 8700K + RTX 3070 using 86w, runing closer to 100~120 FPS, 2560x1080... the same as the RTX 3080 in Full HD. Some settings may be different, setting the preset to ultra may prevent this kinda difference. Not the same place, but i cant find one! The next video does not show settings, but match GPU and CPU (ua-cam.com/video/1jyQHkg3eu8/v-deo.html) and the avg was closer to 130 FPS. And i'm gonna test Cyberpunk 2077 (i7 8086K + GTX 980 HOF) to see how game goes (I already can hear my 980 crying, but its ok, its fine)
really it doesnt bottleneck i3 is very cheap and very powerfull, woaw.
Why 8700k frequency is 4300 MHz?
Must be 4500 in stock
And it's easily overclocks to 4,8-5
5.1 easy all cores
No. 8700k stock frequency all core active is 4,3ghz
€145 for a used i7 9700 or €164 for a new i3 12100 with mobo (ASUS Prime B660M)?
The 8700K sure was a great CPU in its day. When I built a new rig (13600K with a Z790 DDR5 board), I gave the 8700K machine to my wife to play card games and shop online. Nonetheless, I will always love that processor.
Wow, that i3 is really humbling the i7. Imagine that: what was a top chip is about on par with a much cheaper, almost entry level model.
Compare this is to the 11900k see the 1 year difference
you bought an i7 8700"k" but you lock it at 4.3Ghz ? i actually does lock my i7 8700k at 5.2ghz
just buy the i3-12100f its literally 2x cheaper and a very similar performance
спасибо за показ энергопотребления
Yoo I was expecting it to get destroyed. my good ol` 8700k still kicking ass. I own a 12700k right now though. it's a freakin beast! got it cheap on Microcenter.
How do u expect the worst 12th gen cpu to do better than 2016s flagship
@@blazesmooth5573 man shut up
@@blazesmooth5573 2017
@@NamTran-xc2ip makes my point even better thank u
@@blazesmooth5573 not sure how it's better. I used to own this chip and I think the older it is, the more proud you should be?
It's almost a fair win. The new intel core i3 😄
fake 8700k ，just running at 4.3ghz
I7 8700K I had one, it ran at 4.7GHZ stock
@@Prince3679 Yes, I had one too, I think this one is the 8700 without K
@@Crystal-zw1qrThe title says "I7 8700K" so with K unless he has made a mistake. i3 12100F vs i7 8700K - 5 Years Difference
@@Prince3679 4.7GHz boost one core, 4.3GHz boost all cores
@@NickT9330 Mine ran 4.7GHZ all core on a Z370 motherboard.
Still rockin' with my i7-8700. 😄
4460 here. Before that I had Phenom II X4 965, so it seems to be mu usual upgrading cycle. But I want to see next gen AMD CPUs before doing so. Few months more. Already bought 6950xt, which will last many years.
@@RudolfSikorsky That's awesome that you bought the RX 6950 XT, I upgraded my GTX 1060 6GB to an RX 6600 three months ago, it's worth the GPU upgrade for me. 😃
@@SuperDott98 Well going for 4k gaming (Single player RPG-S mostly, so framerates doesn't matter much (60 is still must, of course) but eye candy a lot.) Was considering 6800xt but here in Estonia they are still very overpriced while 6900xt/6950xt are at MSRP. (6800xt costs as much as 6900xt, strange, isn't it?)
@@RudolfSikorsky I know right? The 6800 XT should cost less at MSRP. Three months ago, I bought a brand new RX 6600 on eBay for $429.99 USD after I sold my GTX 1060 6GB for $260.
Don't you all forget, he is testing the i3 with the ddr5 ram, which is not at all practical