The REAL Reason Smash Rejected Them
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
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In this video I examine the strangest rejected content from Smash Ultimate. Some alternate costumes, spirits and music tracks seem so simple to include but mysteriously got cut...and why? Let's try to find the real reasons.
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I regret that they didn't push the 8 color swap limit, for this game
Yeah they definitely could have done this because in smash 4 little Mac got 16 alts which got removed in ultimate and changed back to 8
@@kirby_poyo wario had 12 in brawl.
I believe that every character should have more costumes (be they alt models or merely palette swaps) than the maximum number of players. That way, if you're playing in a Maximum Mirror Match, the last person to pick the character you all agreed to play, can still have a choice of what they will look like.
Maybe cause 8 player smash
@@Zzaaccharay They didn't limit that to 4 (except a few characters, like Bowser in Melee, if I remember correctly) in previous games :/
4:35 For the record the reason why Ms. Pac-Man isn't an alt in Smash Bros. is indeed the legal problems concerning Ms. Pac-Man's ownership between Namco and GCC that's been ongoing since 2008. As for the reason why Ms. Pac-Man could still appear in the Pac-Land stage in Smash but has been phased out in rereleases of Pac-Land is because believe-it-or-not the already iffy legal situation with Ms. Pac-Man actually became even worse than they already were when GCC sold their Ms. Pac-Man ip. rights to AtGames in 2019.
Yep
Ms. Pac-Man seems to be in permanent legal hell at this point
@NES because they have a contract with Namco saying that Ms. Pac-Man isn't a rip off clone. It's a legal issue due to that contract
Ms Pac-Man was not on Pac-Man World reboot either
@@nes5334 look at Jonii's video about it
I really like the crafted world costume but I don't think that he should replace Black Yoshi.
incorrect. crafted world costume is one of the worst costumes in smash ultimate
@@ozjgames Let them be. It’s their opinion
@@El_Mince but you don't understand. their opinion is wrong
@@ozjgames I think the crafted costume is trash too but he isn’t objectively wrong. Besides, there’s worse
@@El_Mince not to take sides but name one worse alt then yarn yoshi
While I get that Crafted Yoshi is referencing the more recent game I think Yarn Yoshi would have been better with the more obvious yarn pattern plus there's a pink and a light blue coloured one to prevent repeating green again
I like the logic behind this argument and it’s fun to dive into this, but I really just think they had to take out an alt to promote their new game and they just picked black yoshi on a whim because they had to remove one
yeah it just happened to be the black one lmao
I thought Black Yoshi was removed because Nintendo thought it was racist in a way
EDIT: thanks for the likes, so close to 500, after 500 let’s try to get to 1K
Black is a color
Its racist that they removed it
@@extremejetfire I know, also red, orange, yellow, green,blue,purple,pink,white and brown
I thought it had to do with SML
@@extremejetfire nO, iTs a sHaDe!!!!1!1!!1!
7:25 I was a little surprised when Pichu didn’t get a Plusle and Minun costume.
I hate that SSBU limits the number of costumes to 8 when they could create just more space.
This is so true, especially when Brawl had more than 4 for most when that was the character limit
This was probably due to the 3DS’s limitations. Nintendo had a weird thing of making both games exactly the same when it came to content.
@@christianthomas8069there is no 3ds version for ultimate
But then just add them back for ultimate scince it doesen't have versions@@christianthomas8069
@christianthomas8069 That doesn't make sense. 3DS and Wii U had SIXTEEN alts for Little Mac, and they had to cut it down to 8 for Ultimate.
I dont see why they couldn't just do 10 for Mario, bringing back Fire Flower and Wario colour, 9 for Yoshi, black + crafted, etc.
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Established Titles @@BaremetalFlesh
While I liked the black Yoshi alt I feel like it was replaced purely because it was in the 8th costume slot.
i can actually understand why pikachu, pichu, and even jigglypuff dont have their shinies as alts in smash bros. it's because those 3 pokémon in particular have shinies that look way too similar to their normal colors to begin with, so it'd be really hard to tell them apart in the chaos that is smash bros, hence why their alts are all different hats/accessories instead
as for why the other pokemon didn't get THEIR shinies as alts? your guess is honestly as good as mine. closest ones we ever got were mewtwo incineroar and greninja... that's it
ig maybe squirtle and ivysaur's shinies could also be deemed as too similar to their normal colors, but we could've easily gotten charizard's shiny at least
And for whatever reason... Incineroar has a palette swap that looks pretty much identical to his shiny version. :/
Charizard does have his Shiny actually!
...His old purple one from Gen 2..
new players of Pokémon get confuse with shines because it doesn't match there normal color and some shiny pokemons are to bright for people.
@@aasaadmays7457 Yeah, that is true... but this is Smash Bros. and they're already changing the colors and stuff so its weird that even the most different shinies aren't included.
@@lasercraft32 its because of Pikachu's move set if they used the other shinnies Pikachu lightening would flash alot and they don't want that to happen again.the shiny Pokémons the lighting from pikachu attack will flash to much.
maybe for the next smash game, they can have more than just 8 skins per character? that way some of them get the skins they deserve to get, and some get even more cool things, even if some of them have to be more basic. maybe they could re add fire mario, or re add black yoshi, and make felts for all of them?
They won't make another one
As someone who watched SML from 2015-2021 I’d say that the theory that they were the reason black Yoshi was rejected kinda makes sense… on paper. Because if that were true then they 100% knew about them and why send a cease and desist in 2021 when he was far more controversial in 2017-2018, at least in the mainstream media.
Same here bro I been watching sml since 2014 lol
Watched until November of last year due to age
I think they just picked one at a whim. I dont think they care that much about some bad youtube content
Yea I thought about SMLs Black Yoshi during this vid
11:50 Oh… When I saw that, I immediately knew who you were gonna reference… And as someone who watches their videos and is aware of the time Nintendo sued them… I can say, they kinda did portray the characters in a way Nintendo would ABSOLUTELY not want them to… Nintendo made them use different puppets AND names. But it’s better that way. When I see people say to bring back the “OGs”, I always have to remind them of that…
From an internship at Nintendo, I'll just chime in a few of the "cut" alts such as black yoshi, Fire Mario, and extra Wario and Little Mac alts is because early on they decided to limit each character to 8 alts per character. I don't know if this comment is considered under my NDA and if it is this comment may go away, but because I have seen it online and Sakurai himself did specifically say each character would have exactly 8 alts, I don't think it would ?
His fire alt was likely removed as the wedding alt was the one chosen to represent the "white alt" because the alts are supposed to be idealized not just be references. I.e. the alts are labeled by color so Cloud has a default a brown Alt etc. Despite very little difference then there is the AC alts and their breakdown.
However, that doesn't explain why the "black alternate" for Yoshi was cut from the _Super Smash Bros. Ultimate_ roster.
@Steven Villman it's because they prioritize. They had more alts planned for a few characters. Yoshi was supposed to get a yarn yoshi Alt and a few different colors, including black, but they were ultimately scrapped to formalize the 8 alts per character. And the crafted world yoshi was seen to be the best for marketing at the time so it was chosen for the 8th alt over others
Cloud & Sephiroth should’ve had alts based on their KH1 designs
Sucks that they're my favorite renditions of the characters, and just couldn't be in Smash. They always felt like the definitive versions to me, as well as for Nomura's art style overall.
That probably would've spoiled the surprise of Sora being a fighter.
1.) There were already KH references in SSB before Sora’s inclusion. Cloud’s VA debuted in KH1, Sephiroth’s one winged form debuted in KH1, & Shadow Flare is based on its KH design
2) Robin has an alt that references White Mage from Final Fantasy before Cloud was ever announced.
3.) There’s various other instances of series being referenced before their fighter representative got announced such as Kid Icarus, Wario, Pikmin, Animal Crossing, Punch Out, Duck Hunt, Splatoon, Banjo-Kazooie, Arms & Tekken.
So no reason not to have their KH1 outfits as alts
There's actually 11 Yoshi alts in Mario Kart Tour, even when the video came out.
They should have made an alternate costume for for Yoshi that made him look like boshi
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Porky being the only boss that wasn’t referenced in Ultimate in any way.
Weird?
No you had that two head thing. And whats the Pokemon's name ypu fight with fox and diddy ray not even going to try off memory
@@ddsjgvk the two head thing is a spirit and Rayquaza is on the kalos stage.
Nintendo when they see Purple Yoshi: W
Everyone else When seeing Purple Yoshi:
L
They should’ve at least referenced wolly world since it wouldve looked better
And then they could have used the black Yarn Yoshi instead the stupid green crafted yoshi
Or they could have replaced some other color of yoshi with their crafted version
Established Titles is a scam. And by Scottish law 6ou do not earn the title of laird from it. The company offices are in Hong Kong.
Miss Pac-Man has a story... She isn't owned by Namco. She is owned by one of those plug and play company. She was even removed from Pac-Man World repac because Namco did not want to pay royalties or go on legal battles
Hate to be a buzz kill, but apparently that Lord stuff is just a souvenir gag present. Some people even call it a scam. It just depends on your perspective.
Can you link the two articles about Sakurai's statements on shiny pokemon, please? I tried googling the exact words you showed in your video and nothing came up.
6:48 The Red Mega Man alt is from the first Mega Man when he uses the Fire Man weapon
The red alt is used for the Rush items, the orange and yellow one is the one used for Fire Man's weapon.
I'm going to assume 90% of the cuts came down to the storage limitations that came with using cartridges again. A 60gb blue ray is cheap to produce but a 60gb proprietary cartridge? Yeah, it's safe to assume storage was an issue, especially considering the switch had and still has a pitiful 32gbs of onboard storage.
We need Black Yoshi back as well as a brown piranha plant with pink lips.
My guess is that after sml rebranded his channel Nintendo gave the Green light to brig back Black Yoshi for Mario Kart Tour in 2019, and since he was already cut From Smash the Ultimate developers didn't want to add him back in for some reason, the way I see it, Ultimate was unfortunately in that awkward spot in 2018 where they didn't allow Black Yoshi due to the controversy, however he might actually return in the next Smash game due to him being extremely popular and Nintendo giving them the Green light to use him again as seen in Mario Kart Tour.
Yo, Established Titles was just exposed as a scam.
18:21 “The Miis in this form are Smash original”
Mr Game & Watch is a Smash original character and he has unique spirit art
Really depends on how you ask. Mii are part of the Smash universe while Mr G&W is part of the G&W universe, so the game disagrees with your statement.
@@Liggliluff
The game classifies Super Mario World as a Yoshi series game rather than a Mario game so you can’t take everything it presents at face value
Mii Fighters and Mr G&W are Smash original characters, but they’re still based on preexisting properties.
Well I'm happy black yoshi at least exists in Mario Kart 8 that is a given, purple being a selection i actually love, I do not recall if purple was selectable before but I love it a lot.
Ok the reason I think they don’t hav Shadow is because he might have been planned as an echo but people complained about him in Forces the year prior and how he wasn’t unique in that so they decided to wait for the next smash since SEGA cares and would definitely pull the plug if they weren’t happy
I remember the creators of the Sonic Boom tv show saying that the reason Shadow didnt appear much in it is because Sega gave them a GIANT document filled with rules/guidelines on how to portray Shadow, so they just made other characters joke about how serious and edgy he was instead of having him make jokes.
That probably has alot to do with why Shadow isnt an echo, or a costume. Wouldnt be properly representing hin.
@@Carbon8tion exactly and then there’s what I said about the outcry from forces
Metal would be cooler anyway. Shadow would be unique or a simi
You’re reading waaaaaaaaay too much into this. A million bucks says Black Yoshi was cut either by random or because he was the last on the list. Something super innocuous. I’m betting they wish they hadn’t now.
Personally, I agree with you that they should have replaced the regular Green Yoshi with the tennis ball variant and squeezed in Pink Yarn and Baby Blue Yarn Yoshi.
A Gameboy Green and/or Black & White Daisy color scheme would have been amazing!
I think black Yoshi was cut because they had to cut one to make way for flesh-eating bacteria Yoshi, and black Yoshi was the least colourful. Probably the same reason there's no white Yoshi alt.
Unpopular opinion: i really wanted that atleast we could had a pacster(pacman from the ghostly adventures) custom for smash
Established titles does not give you an “official” title, its more like a joke gift or something you’d buy as a joke yourself
my question is why Dry bowser isn't a skin for bowser either
I Literally have No problem with Black yoshi or Ms pacman.
but they had to be replaced.
“The pokemon just had the normal basic mario sound effect”
What about the Kanto Pokemon starters Bulbasaur, Charmander and Squirtle
I love that they used in smg4 scene for this scene -> 13:23
you know, prior to the cease and desist letter, i thought it would be a great idea if one day,
SML would be cannon in the nintendo games. i guess we can't always get what we want.
What frustrates me the most still is the lack of octoling costumes. They put a ton of effort into the outfits for the inklings, even just 2 octoling alts would hardly be more difficult
Just a correction, Black Yoshi was one of the original SML Characters, even before junior.
one of the things that bugs be most is that for midna's lament as a track they didn't have the one they used in brawl there is only a weird remix of the track
They didn't need to ""make room for" anything, nothing's stopping yoshi from having nine costumes
Technically Nintendo could have completely struck down SML videos
Black yoshi should’ve been a
Great addition
I feel like taking away black Yoshi makes the racial issue worse. Like what if there was a bad depiction of nightwolf from mortal kombat on an old comic then they proceed to remove the only native american rep
Cloud could have had a Zack recolor. Or he could be the main hero of each Final Fantasy Game.
Kids are smart and will NOT get confused by a shiny Pokémon. Just put the art in the booklet guys. In fact you should make like 10 shiny variants for each Pokémon.
IMO to avoid MY confusion Yoshi should ONLY be Green, Red, Blue and Yellow and wooly. and Link and Toon Link and Dark Link and Ravio should be the SAME character.
Mario should never be Yellow and Luigi should never be purple
but that's just for my own Confusion.
Mega Man has a wide color range
and all the BIG Nintendo heroes should have Captain N color swaps.
even Sonic could have an alt skin of Metal Sonic or Uncle Chuck or his siblings from Sonic Under Ground
Maybe Black Yoshi was removed because his color pallet was too hard to see against a black background? Or maybe they just chose on randomly or from charts and polls?
It’s mad how people don’t know where the black yoshi joke came from
crafted yoshi should've been yarn yoshi tbh
I agree. And with that there could still be a black Yoshi: Black Yarn Yoshi from Yoshi's Wooly World
i really like how the yoshi skin looks like the yoshi plushie from the official usj (universal studios japan) plushie.
Shadow has evolved to become pretty different from Sonic moveset-wise, so an alt. costume (Not even an echo!) Wouldn't really work.
For the ms pacman thing, It's copyright between another company and I saw a video on that.
No I didn't, get a life
i think the real reason might be that black yoshi was in the wii u but not white, but if that was the case why not they add white yoshi to ultimate?
Why do big companies worry about what little things? It’s like a grown man being offended what a baby says.
The fact nintendo translated the black yoshi comic and said that "anyone who is black is bound to eat babies"... this was not done by lily frankie, this was done by japanese people WITHOUT THE WRITING OR HELP OF LILY FRANKIE! How could you not judge people by their color if your making your characters racist nintendo?! Damn old nintendo content was wild.
uhh just so you know, it turns out established titles is completely a scam. look up a video about it; it’s terrible
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13:36 fire Mario was in the 2nd area and in ssbu at 12:01 the USA Mario replaces fire Mario
Edit: *that might be why*
Edit 2: sml is evil
Edit 3: I was wrong about the USA Mario replacing fire Mario they were both still in the cover at 13:36 so if I had to guess I didn’t see the wedding Mario outfit so maybe Nintendo just didn’t do that to Yoshi but they did that to Mario
established titles is a scam if u didn't already know 💀
On pokemon, shinies are part of Canon and color variations often denote a regional varient.
In universe, that Pikachu might still look like a Pikachu, but be an ice type for some reason because types don't matter and colors aren't just rare drops anymore. Since Pokémon have been on roster since the get go that might be one reason, to avoid confusing fans... not a great justification, but in the world of corpo BS, I could see it.
Did I mention you can digivolve your Yugiball-Z mons into buildings now?
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why is there a flamish lion on the scottish land lord sertifficet?
nooooo not another youtuber promoting established titles (it's a scam)
Facts why would you take away fire Mario for the circus Mario 😅
I'm still wondering where is Porky's spirit and boss fight in ultimate...
6:48 bruh Mega Man’s color is based on the color Mega Man has for the Rush Items equipped (Rush Coil, Rush Jet, and Rush Marine later removed in 5) and not in the X games (also not tryna be rude srry)
BLACK was literally the most popular yoshi. also funny how little mac and wario can have 16 alts, hero can have a unique character for each alt but yoshi can't have all of its CANONICAL color options which are all literally just one color of their whole body swapped, the lowest of low effort jobs to keep the character authentic and it's too much to ask.
Ain't no way people are serious about nintendo being racist again literal dinosaurs lmao
17:59 litterally the most random clip
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I think they had a missed opportunity with mario
I think they could've had him throw hammers instead of fireballs in his builder outfit
TBH i thought black yoshi was because of SML
Im just saying… a fury bowser and dark bowser from bowers fury and bowsers inside story would be cool
They should have had woolly Yoshi instead of crafted Yoshi because it looks better and the texture is more distinct from regular Yoshi
Sucks because in Yoshi's Story the Black Yoshi threw exploding eggs
Wait I think black yoshi was hidden into the void u probably have to hack to see him
0:45 HELPPPP I DIDN’T THINK I’D BE REMEMBERED LIKE THIS
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Black yoshi looks too much like shadow the hedgehog, considering how negotiations happen in these sorts of situations, and I wonder if sega were the ones who didn't want shadow playable for their own reasons. Jumping to racism is a bit past the gun because the racist components can occur at any of the most major points in a game's development. It's not always necessarily the developers. To conclude this, look at how discreetly the developmental team hid shadow in the earliest points of ultimate's life. That HAD to be by design. He never showed up as an asist trophy on the website until after being shown off in a trailer, conspiracy, or simply a change in direction?
I had a feeling black yoshi was taken out because of sml😂
I mean I think all of us SML fans know why black Yoshi was rejected.
This video needs the edited with that established title stuff.
Can you edit the scam i mean sponsor segment out lol
I think that black costume peach is a reference to Bowsette!
10:24 I wasn't ready for that
Black Yoshi is the best Yoshi.
I honestly prefer the Pokémon not having a color change (except the shiny alts)
Make it as close to canon as possible
They took fire Mario out because there were so many new costumes and they didn’t wanna put more for one character because then they’d have to make another costume for everyone DLC included
it’s because the Pokémon series actually has no sound when they die so I guess that’s why Nintendo didn’t do it game over sound
Yarn/craft yoshi is adorable tho
Bro you're looking too hard into this. They just wanted to promote their newest game and didn't have room for a 9th color slot. Yes they probably could have added more skins like how they gave Little Mac 10 skins or something close to that in Smash 4 but apparently they didn't want to do any more than 8 for every character.
20:21 not again 🤦♂️
Respect black Yoshi, Nintendo!
I dont think SML is the full reason Black Yoshi was removed but I do see why people would think so
Last time I checked there was nothing thing wrong with Waluigi HMMM?, Smash You CARE TO EXPLAIN THAT!!
Man you mine aswell be a developer for smash.
He is back uploaded a UA-cam video.