Carbon Wide Body AUSTIN ALLEGRO!
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- Опубліковано 3 лип 2024
- Episode 177
The much anticipated carbon wings and quarter panels arrive for the Allegro which generates much excitement in the workshop!
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There aren’t many UA-cam videos or TV programs that I can’t wait to see on a Sunday night but I can assure you that you are first in the queue to be watched. I thoroughly enjoy every minute of your technical videos,,,, 👍👍
Loving the new format with different people explaining what’s been happening. Makes my Sunday watching these videos 👍
Sunday night allegro chat. Cool
I really like hearing from different members of the team, e.g. Marc in the body shop. It's great to hear the extra insight. Allegro looks good; I imagine the look will properly come together once it's dropped onto final suspension/wheels.
Thanks again to Cal and Alex for answering my question about Escort bulbs. Much appreciated. 🙂
Bugger. Missed that bit as my darling wife was showing me a dolls house for our granddaughter. Gotta watch it again now..........
Nothing like Retropower to finish off my Sunday UA-cam after Bellos Garage and Home built by Jeff
Well done Bobby 👌
Zen and the art of blasting ;)
Thanks for the update guys. And yes, I too agree that having the guys on the shop floor explaining what's going on is a great idea.
I'm enjoying that you are giving the lads a chance to explain what they are doing rather than you having to paraphrase the progress on their behalf. They are getting better at it each time.
Nat more tangents next week we love em
I believe the phrase Marc was looking is "Some kind gentleman" - or maybe not.
Sunday night complete coffe ready feet up check out what’s been done this week 😉👍🏻
Am I the only one to feel just a tiny bit excited that the Range Rover outside the tea room is uncovered!? Stu's or Nat's one?
Love everything being created but love an old Rangie too!
It’s mine that one. Stu’s has about overtaken mine in terms of progress now though! We are having a very slow race to finish them 😂 I managed about an hour on mine the other weekend and forgot to cover it back up😂
These builds are getting more and more insanely perfect every episode…the detail on the Eacort….😮
The new format is great
Stripping the coating off the spray booth walls reminds me of my baby daughter in her cot, when she learnt how to stand up she realised she could reach the pretty pink wallpaper and that it made a lovely noise as she stripped it off…….☹️😇😍💕
Simply awe inspiring
Earlier Scimitar's had slimmer metal door handles which would allow you to move the 'style line' higher up the door which might open up more options? You could even use your fancy Escort handles?
True dedication
My favourite budget build channel.
Have a look at "big bob" Iain Daniels supercharged sprint Scimitar. They redid the original "bogged on" wide arches with an E30 M3 / quattro inspied custom items. It looked super neat to my eyes.
While it’s not quite the look we are going for, I have seen Iain’s car a few times over the years, at various sprint meetings. I should nip over to see him anyway as he is not far up the road!
BOSH!!
It's great having more people involved in explaining what's happening. It good to get some different perspectives, and humour ...'Come back Johnny!". Also, that Scimitar is going to look amazing. Can't wait for the start of that project.
It is nice to meet more of the fellas! Good work everybody :)
For the Scimitar I love to see something like the Chevette HSR / Audi Quattro style box arches. I think they would suit the original shape in my opinion.
Perhaps it could be an idea not to follow the original lines and do something like Robert-Design.A complete dramatic look that - in my eyes - works with nearly every car design from the old VW's to actual boring big series cars ..
The problem would be, done herein, it would be a copy of Robert Design and is not the style of Retropower...
The attention to detail is simply staggering. Fantastic skills from everyone , making the impossible look easy. ❤
Loving the Scimitar project!
Great video 👍 The scimitar would benefit with deleting the front door quarter window and the rear quarterly lower panel a"hockey stick " shape pressing.Did project Utah steering calibration work out?
Another great vid. Wide-bodied Scimitar looking good.
I was thinking about your ideas on removing the bitumen and sound isolation and did you ever try dry ice pallets and isopropyl alcohol? The basic idea is to mix and spread it over the area and wait till the crackling sound is over. It is now so cold and frozen rhat you can break it off without much effort. Maybe something to look into…
I can just imagine the scene at the workshop where the half a sill was fitted badly!
Customer: “This half of the sill on my car is so rotten, it needs repairing badly.”
Boss: “Right-ho, sir.”
P.S. I can tell some of your staff don’t particularly care for the pieces to camera, but I must say both Bobby and Mark have a natural flow that works for the audience (from my pov anyway) - they speak like they’re just having a chat, doesn’t sound forced and they use their own words - it’s working for me!
Thanks for that! Couldn’t agree more both about the sill discussion and the guys! Thanks for watching!
The water blaster that you are getting is just a fantastic piece of Kit. Can’t tell you where I saw it being used. If I tell you I may have to shoot you. But trust me it is brilliant. Just don’t let it go across your toes. It was being used to blast off rexine pads that were applied by Very thick,and I mean “very” thick contact adhesive. It blasted it to bare metal. Incredible.
I would disagree with the water blasting system as it's marine based and there are two aspects where it's the wrong tool. 1st it's designed for ships with thick metal, you are also blasting into crevices to get sealant out. Pushing moisture into the seams. Dry ice/alc is used for sealant or bitumen removal as it's not pushing the metal and it's not messy. Plus you require no machinery. I use a vac abrasive blaster in conjunction with dry ice as this requires no blast room or wet room
@@fraserwright9482sabbiatura biellese use water at 3000bar to strip body shells to bare metal and have done for some time. Their history of stripping extremely valuable vehicles is considerable. Likewise a well known business in the uk rebuilding extremely valuable vehicles also uses this system. Having tried almost all alternatives (including dry ice and dry ice blasting) we are looking to improve things further.
@donlunn792 was it cleaning a Porsche by any chance?
Curtis at Cutting Edge Engineering has one ..
@@gordonthomas4292 no he doesn’t. I’m an avid watcher of his channel! He has a wet blaster, which is easily achieved by adding a water injection nozzle to a dry blaster. Nothing like the same process as ultra high pressure water jetting (sadly, as I could achieve the wet blasting by adding a £150 attachment to my existing blaster!)
Evenin’ Gents… and any ladies out there..
That Escort is next level guys 👏👌
Scimitar rendering looks superb already
My absolute dream builds in progress Intercepter Quattro Etype Xjc All my dream cars being worked on made into automotive genius and workmanship. Craft at its upmost level
looking at your simitar look at the 70s celica were the fold follows the arch
An Allegro with flared arched. What next - a Wolseley Hornet Mark 3 with a big block? :-)
Jonny from the Late Brake Show is also building a sleeper Alegro too.
Also, for updated suspension, the 1991 to 1995 S2 subframes and suspension are a direct swap in and service parts are available, where they are not for the original ur Quattro
Red Morning Light
Just wanted to say, Dave's vids are great! The RS 001 Group S beast is going to be an absoloute weapon when its finisished...
Re roll cage for Quattro , can’t a cage of much less intrusive gage tube be made to follow shape of the car , it may not reach stringent race specs but surely add a lot more strength in the case of a roll over ?
Agree with everyone welcoming the additional voices, interesting to hear them - but let’s have a session from Stu!
A couple things, if you guys haven't, you might get in contact with Iroz Motorsports in Las Vegas on the Quattro engine. They specialize in that engine (usually in RS3/TT-RS) but Hank Iroz also has a Quattro of his own with the later North American Volkswagen 2.5l 5 cylinder (at ~900hp). Second, on the Scimitar... would a 944esque arch not work with the original body line?
That PVC coating is great unless something gets through it and the corrosion creeps behind it, then you can have a big hole in the metal without even knowing or the MOT finding it .......
Absolutely! One of the reasons that we zinc metal spray is to prevent this exact issue. We don’t use pvc either but the problem can happen regardless of coating type. It is amazing just how bad corrosion can get on top of pvc sealer before it gives way!!!
If you want another way to break down bitumen undercoating, try ether diesel or tolurene.
As that's what is or was used up to 00's for stripping and removing bitumen from aggregate in testing laboratories.
I worked in the tarmac/ aggregates trade for 8 yes, and it's because diesel fuel is one of the lowest refraction made from crude oil.
And be aware that tolurene can be collected and cleaned and reused using a collection tank and still , once filtered.
And yes, this used to be in Ipson P40 from the 70s & 80s, cause l remember using it on bodywork on my Peugeot 205GTi 85/6 model with later 115 bhp engine, bought for £450 .
Yes remember prices like this lol .😅
Did a very simple and easy body restoration. The car was 10 yrs old when I got it, and poorly painted metallic teal bodyshell out of a spray can.
I fitted it with recovered parts and interior for £250, rear unmarked or cut parcel shelf for £25, 2nd hand plastic, and the hand tearing small metal buttons missing from the doors and wings.
The front under bumper valance was like a modern nylon jelly mold until fitted to the bumper, which could be done fitted to the car.
But it was easier to remove it and fit it together off the car, the Marchal spotlights rusted like buggery and were the most expensive ones that I never brought. Lol
I finally got it to primer, from spray cans, but was complimented on my restoration of the boy to primer.
And replaced the brass rods for the gear selection, and then it took two mechanics to get the right gear selection sorted.
But the car got taken on by my d@#k of my older brother, and he did his usual and left the car to get nicked and stripped out after my hard work!!!!
I'd love to restore my first 3 cars, a 1750HL Allegro estate, first cat l made a profit on, my 3rd car, MG Metro Turbo in the rare black colour but I ain't paying £9000 for a car that still needs work!
And finally my 2nd car, a Suzuki SJ410 convertible, l had a UAE import in brown!!! Yes, but called Terracotta on the paperwork lol.
Resprayed it black, pin striped it, and got a white hood and Cobra bucket seats originally for a Mini.
Got a replacement dash from Percy Tait Suzuki.
But now most Suzuki's have rusted or been wrecked on off-roading jaunts or flipped, but the dodgy tall body to chassis length is scary.
And it is great fun filled 6 up no roof or rear seats or seat belts and wobbling like a jelly.
My car journey till I got my head turned by mc's and especially Italian mc's that have worse electrics than our supposed 'Lucas, lord of darkness' from the 70s.
Which isn't right .
Call the Scimitar build Sade, after her song 'Smooth Operator' for the required smooth body lines.
Did Dean the upholsterer work ar Retropower previously? I seem to remember him being in the design bit in the early videos
For wide scimitar, take a look at Bev Faulks former sprint car...
Stripping the walls of the paint booth, could you not use an air nozzle under the coating to allow it to bubble up for super easy removal like on car wraps?
Is it a customers choice to have the Retrpower logo on things, like eteh Escort mirrors and cluster surround hood catct etc, or are they compulsory as part of the contract for you to build the cars?
I had not noticed until seeing them close together in this episode, but is the Camaro and Utah the same color?
Won't you consider removing the quarter windows, on the Schimitar? Door window sizes look a bit odd against that of the rear side-windows...
OK let's get this argument cleared up for good. It's "boot" and "bonnet" rather than "trunk" and "hood". That is all. 😀
i agree .. it pi55es me off, when car people from england pander to the yanks by saying trunk and hood, if the yanks don't know wat boot and bonnet is.. to bloody bad, let the lazy gits do some research and find out 😁
Loving your work chaps, especially the rebody conversions!
Question for you:
With vehicle such as this, would it be registerd as an allegro with some chassis mods or an integra with a body swap?? Cant help thinkng that if vosa got involved it would end up with a Q plate??!! 😳
Great show, just wondered whats happening to the C-v8. Seems to be languishing in the background
And don't forget to consider the original Manu facturer's crumple zones On the Audi
What's the booth coating you use?
Personally I like the more classy subtle body mods you guys do. Ones without heavily flared wheel arches.
Does chroming a part add a lot to the thickness? When you design a part for machining how much tolerance do you allow for this?
At 41:14 did I spy a Fibonacci sequence drawn on the whiteboard?
The front end of the Jenson is going to look awesome when the car is finished, just saying, :)
You should use on of the modern Audi longitudinal manual transmissions, allowing the engine to be mounted significantly further back in the engine bay.
Likin the all agro is it gonna be rear drive or 4 drive??
Wide body gives it away ... no longer a sleeper 😢
Any thoughts around making the Scimitar rear window a bit smaller? the main views front, 3/4 and side look teriffic, the rear just doesn't look as good imho; window seems to large..
(Interceptor) - so the lower part of the rerouted fuel filler hose will always have the same level of fuel in it as the actual fuel tank. Therefore it should be a protected metal extension of the tank itself (I believe)..🤔
Can i sak why you didn't chemical dip the cars in acid to remove paint and rust?
I have seen a few videos and the cars come out spotless.
Did anyone see the Redux M3 that was at Silverstone auction a couple of weeks ago. ?
Harry featured it in his walkaround of the auction..I dont know if it sold at the auction or not but its currently up for sale at £225k..
It must be embarrassing for the shop that previously worked on the jensen...being schooled on everything. Great choice by the owner to bring it to the Masters at Retropower!!
Show Celete Bobby's new teeth. That will surely scare them into lowering their prices.
Have you considered dry-ice blasting for removing sealant etc. ?
PS: just absolutely love your work. Always a joy to watch !
Nowhere near powerful enough
Exactly as Robert cook says, nowhere near being an effective process. I have used a (very powerful, 250cfm airflow rate) dry ice blaster, and while it cleans engine internals very nicely, and removes oily deposits from aluminium castings and the like, it would never remove under seal. It won’t even remove oxidation from the surface of aluminium effectively, unfortunately.
Looks like they have given the Reliant Scimitar SE5A GTE the bigger SE6 GTE head, tail lights and door handles? Maybe just cut the SE5 down the centre lengthwise and widen it like Reliant did to get the bigger SE6 to give the wider track - just saying.
Are you putting this vehicles through IVA?
The Allegro looks more Agro with those front wings - certainly a pretty aggressive stance thanks to those big bulges.
Why are you giving up on the glass blasting??
We aren’t. It’s just that prior to the initial blasting session, we usually have to have a substantial under seal and seam sealer removal session which takes longer than the blasting operation. It has become apparent that the best method of removing sealers, while not putting the entire body shell through a pyrolysis oven, is water jetting. This has the benefit of stripping back to bare metal and finding very thin weak metal in the same way as the crushed glass blasting, so the idea is to potentially eliminate the initial blasting, replace that with water jetting, then still undertake the final blasting post-metalwork, since that must be done immediately prior to zinc metal spraying. Hope all that makes sense!
Do you have any advice, video, or pictures of ways to mount a Range Rover Classic or Discovery 1 body on a rotisserie? The core support seems a bit too flimsy to remain straight under the full weight of the body. Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you!
I changed mine to bolt-on inner wings like the earlier ones, then bolted to the body/chassis mounts on the bulkhead and across the rear lower tailgate aperture picking up on the tailgate hinge mounts and rear lamp areas
Re the Interceptor fuel filler etc.
How do you fill the tank from the bottom. ? Unless you use some sort of pressure. ? The pressure from the fuel pump at the petrol station isn't going to force it into the fuel tank..
Or am I incredibly dim. ?
Thanks.
As long as the fill point is higher than the top of the tank, and the air can get out, then gravity will do the rest 😉
Carbon Austin egg roll
If at all possible when you have some of the finished cars back in for service to give a quick run down of The build may be some driving footage and especially the interiors and quick run through of how everything works cause it seems that you don't really do that
Can you explain why you 320 dry sand/block and then wet 320 before painting..thank..
We 320 dry block then 800 wet flat
Haha beat me
If the sealer is so hard to take of can you not just reseal over it when you have finished the metal work then it twice as resistant.
They seam braize.
@@johnsutcliffe3209 what does that mean. Please explain. Cheers
Sometimes that seems appealing I can assure you😂 sadly it has usually broken its bond with the steel in a few places and will allow water under at some stage and cause corrosion, and also as correctly pointed out, we add further joints to the spot welded seams, generally by tig brazing them with silicon copper alloy rod, which needs a reasonably clean seam to start with. Then we also zinc metal spray the full underbody, which again requires freshly blasted clean steel to adhere to
@@russcooke5671 seam brazing is a process by which heat is used to add a filler rod of bronze. Its melted and flows into the seam to add strength. The urethane based sealer is a contaminant that would make this process impossible. Its covered in detail on one of retropowers earlier videos.
@@russcooke5671 oh I see Nat has already responded 🙂
27:45 are Utah and Camaro the same color!?!?!?!?
Close but not the same!
Could the cars not be acid dipped ???
No, we absolutely will not do this. It would be wonderfully easy. But putting a body shell through a pyrolysis oven then dipping it is not the way to a good result! We have experience with this and it has always been bad experience! We also tried the alternative, using hot caustic to do the initial organics stripping, and had issues there too. We have always come back to blasting, preceded by hard graft to remove the coatings
@@RetropowerNat thanks for the reply and I don’t doubt what you are saying but I’ve seen many restorations is some very expensive rare cars and they have been acid dipped and it seems to work very well. But obviously not everyone is of the same opinion. 👌👌👌
interestingly I would say that the vast majority of "high end" restorers that I know reasonably well all use techniques other than dipping. the more I meet, the more I find that have had bad experiences! Was quite an eye opener as I was of the same opinion as you 15 years ago!@@russcooke5671
Just wondering. I'm not a painter but isn't it a good idea not to put your hands on a car especially if it has been undercoated etc. Body oil on hands etc. I realise you probably use grease and wax remover prior to further coats.
I noticed your stainless steel exhaust welds are all discoloured, which is a product of the TIG welding process. This can be removed by wiping with a pickling solution available in welding shops. I don't know the correct name for this product but it's use makes for a better job.
Keep up the fantastic video's. It's my favourite UA-cam show down here in Australia.
English please Bobby 👍
Here's a challenge, can you both do a video without using the word 'BASICALLY' ? it's NOT needed
Absolutely no chance. Its engraved into the fibres of our brain never to be lost, basically.
@@retropowercarsIve never noticed that idiosyncrasy before. Of course, from now on, I'll hear nothing else! 🤣🤣
I’m just trying to reduce my “errrm” count 😂
Put the Scimitar scans online and let the community have a go at working out your design issues with the arches - I am sure that enough people would be willing to have a go at it for a credit on your vid... Personally I just think it's a cr@p looking car.