"They" did not live life on their own terms, they lived life on Big Edie's terms. Poor daughter was an emotional prisoner and gave up her own life for her mother's.
The worse thing is when the parent tells u that nobody held u back, u had all the freedom to leave even though they emotionally blackmail u and create social phobia inside u that u can't leave.
True. And the daughter lacked the skills to earn her own way financially. Big Edie knew what she was doing...created an emotionally & financially dependent adult child. It reminds me of the "beggar" street children in India. The parents club their arms, legs, etc & cripple them & put them on streets to beg in order to support the entire family.
As someone in her late teens going into to adult who is emotionally and financially dependent on my mother because of her over protective and helicopter parenting I can't agree more. I can't do anything or go outside at all. She constantly say the "outside world " is a scary place and that I should never be niave or trust people. We always stay indoors 24/7 because of this I'm practically under house arrest. Whenever I attempt to learn or do anything that go against her she gets very disapproving and tends to insult and belittle me until I stop. If she get confronted or pressed about this she will always claim " I never forced you or chained you " . There is more than one way to keep someone as captive and it doesn't have to be in literal chains. She approve of my education but only under her terms and her way. I'm not very book smart sadly so this little lee way I have is also full of conflict.
may khaing - knowing this is the first step to finding the strength and resolve to be free... learn about manipulation and covert narcissism and learn how to remove yourself from your toxic environment. once you have distance from her your thinking will clear up and you will find the strength to discover others who can love and support you for who you are... consider joining a support group... AlAnon and Codependents Anonymous are two that you may find helpful. May you find the strength to begin your difficult but worthwhile journey.
Little Edie is one of my Idols. I don't think she was crazy like some people say. I think she was unique, refreshing, intelligent and fascinating. A star in her own right, and was not appreciated enough. R.I.P Little Edie.
@Blue Skies she would have been fine. she would have been considered entertaining and eccentric and people would have loved going to her parties. All little edie needed was a decent husband and she would have been ok.
@@Ronin4614 when she did finally get a chance to perform in New York after her mother's death, the reviews were so bad they made sure she doesn't see them. So no talent wasted there, mom was right.
People making documentaries and reality shows don’t get a lot of money at all. It’s nothing like the millions that float around big movie productions and successful tv series. Compared to what people earn working for or on big productions, people in documentaries and reality shows both in front of and behind the camera earn peanuts.
Jennifer Smith good for you 👍, don't pay any attention to the douchebags, he's probably an incel who lives in his mother's basement. I know what you meant, her mother destroyed her life and kept her prisoner in that house out of guilt. She was gorgeous and bright and could've had a happy life but her narcissistic mother couldn't think of anyone but herself.
I remember watching the documentary years ago, and I was absolutely shocked to see how these two were living. It was so bizarre. I am glad that Little Edie was able to go to Florida and live. I hope she found happiness.
@@creativeblunder omg, the way you threw ",cynthia" in at the end was such a boss power move and you have revived me from my slumberous depression, cynthia.
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Basically I think in the US most people cast away their elderly family members. And it's often one family member has to deal with them in their elderly years. I was the only sibling that helped my mom for two decades. I have 5 siblings that followed their 'dreams' and didn't bother to help our mom or dad. There's something wrong with the dynamics here of family and pooling everyone's ideas and support for helping out elderly. It's not that way in every case but it's amazing how many people I have encountered that they too are the only ones helping their parents
riverice7 I always wondered why they didn’t just clean up - this video briefly explains that in East Hampton sanitation is private (I forgot this was still a thing), so why didn’t the neighbors just chip in and help them secure sanitation pick up so they could clean?? Seems a little heartless if no one tried that. Also, clearly there was significant mental illness in both Edie’s. Very sad lives they lead in those last decades.
they didnt have money. they couldn't pay for heat or hot water. they didnt have a working toilet. they didnt have phone service. they couldn't pay the municipal fees for garbage pick up. they couldn't pay the water bill. They were left penniless by their families to freeze and starve to death. Little Edie had 2 brothers who also turned their backs on them and refused to help. Little Edie might have made it in the world but her selfish mother refused to let her marry or let her go.
@@anastasia10017 I watched Grey Gardens,both documentary and the HBO movie-both loved very much,and made me think and do some research. My question here,regarding their money condition is this:why Little Edie did not go to work..? I'm not sarcastic,it's just my first thought...
Did you miss the part where it said that she (Jackie) and her sister pulled together $30,000 to fix up the house? Not her fault they didn't take better care of it.
They were hoarders and the home was filled with trash and feces. What exactly do you expect Jackie to do? Cure their mental illness? Why aren’t you holding the brothers or Big E’s ex-husband accountable?
Little edie's father basically abandoned his wife and daughter and left them penniless. He later divorced her and married a younger woman. Her mother came from a very well to do family but they did not help, and Big Edie's father cut her out of his will so she could not inherit. There is a possibility that the husband took his wife's money when he left -- who knows ?? Also, Little Edie had 2 brothers who also turned their backs and refused to help them.
@Obsidian Wildfire so what ? The outcome is that he abandoned his wife and daughter , did not protect them, and left them penniless to starve and freeze to death . Does the Catholic Church recognize that ?
It's so odd that Jackie Kennedy gets all of this hate for ignoring 2 women that weren't her immediate family, but the 3 males that left their wife, mother, sister, daughter to rot are almost never mentioned.
@Obsidian Wildfire Abandonment is abandonment. If you are still married in the eyes of the catholic church and the husband does not provide financially for his wife and children, does not feed them or keep them warm in winter, hasn't seen them in forever and lives with a new "wife" and has started a new life with her, than WTF is so special about catholic marriage ? It is not keeping the heat on or food on the table for Big Edie and her 3 children.
@@hekatejayne2238 exactly my point. Even big Edie's wealthy father disinherited her and her sons were waiting for the roof to collapse on them. it's shameful.
I saw the documentary and the HBO remake some time ago and it was definitely eye opening and interesting to see their living conditions. Bless their souls.
3:01 for Edie Beale. Pictures at 3:40 + are of Little Edie after her mother died, NOT Big Edie. Didn’t explain that Little Edie had a nervous condition that caused her hair to fall out. That’s why she always fashioned those head scarves. First read about her in the New York magazine e in the 1970. Her personality and verve came through. It was amazing that she survived that life with mum
This is what happens to most narcissist who sabotaged lives of others and themselves in the process, all pay a hefty price in the end. People forget that we have a limited lifespan in which you have to make good decisions.
@@Kabaselefh My mother did it a different way. At the end of the third form she took me out of the coed high school where I was in the top stream and doing really well, and put me into a Catholic girls school which had a very different very limited curriculum. Those girls had been learning Latin and French for years, and I never had so I was at a disadvantage going into it at age 14. They also only had two courses - languages and commercial - shorthand, typing and all that boring stuff. Nothing like the varied courses in the professional stream I had been in which had many more choice of classes and subjects. I was bored stiff and frustrated. Also we had to attend mass and there was lots of religious mumbo jumbo - my family were atheist. I couldn't get with this program at all. And all this was to keep me away from boys, because at my coed school I had too many admirers ringing me up on the phone, or knocking on our door. We were just kids, with normal teenage crushes. I began cutting school and just stopped trying or taking an interest in anything there. I was suspended once then later expelled. I just didn't fit in there. At 14 I got a job and went to work. Before age 15 I had left home and was flatting and working, to get away from the craziness at home.
Doesn't have anything to do with the Kennedys. And hermit hoarders on this level are mentally ill, the only help money would have done at this time period would have been to have at least the aunt institutionalized. Which probably should have been done.
It's always annoying when people post comments that obviously show they either didn't watch the video, or just didn't pay attention. Jackie and her sister Lee paid $30,000 in the early 1970s to fix up the dump, which is stated very clearly at 8:05. That was a big amount of money then too.
"Thank you for watching video!" Should've told you as much. Sometimes, it the more unemotional and sanitized things that make you appreciate Human narration that much more.
Big edie shudnt have had kids. My dad is the same. He sabotaged everything that I did. Just so that I cud b a prisoner in his home. Children are emotionally blackmailed and they are crippled to a point that they are required to take care of their parents.
Idk their story, but from the quick video the mother seems to have a very strong self-entitlement and lack of empathy, even for her own daughter... typical rich kids
ilove2929 : I know the story very well and Big Edy adored little Edy. That’s not to say she wasn’t mentally unstable. Eventually they both lived in a fantastical world but they had a sincere love for each other.
I have only recently discovered the two Edie's and the Grey Gardens documentary. So fascinating at so many levels. But they do seem oblivious to their surroundings to an extent - and what struck me was that their education and upbringing was not conducive to housework; cooking; home repairs or working at a relatively 'normal' job. They were raised to be debutants. Their education and training reflected this. They have so little understanding of food preparation and hygiene (the pate! The hors d'oeuvres!) But there are so many wonderful moments in this documentary too. Big Edie's breaking into song; Little Edie's dancing. Their trying to be good hosts. The good crockery. Their upper class manners completely unaffected by the squalor. Their at times volatile yet co-dependent relationship. It is both joyful and sad.
Look, there used to be no information out about the Edie’s and now there’s a ton now that they have become huge cult favorites. I understand peoples visceral reaction to how they lived during that time, but honestly, anastasia46 ‘s description and posts here line up most with the facts as I have heard and read about them. I met and talked at length with David Lewis, Edie’s accompanist at her short-lived nightclub act at Reno Sweenie’s in NYC and after big Edie died she stayed at Grey Gardens and at Lois’ for a short while out there and then moved to New York, she stayed close with her niece, who she visited in California in the 90’s, she was in Montreal for a time and then lived most of the rest of her life in a comparatively normal retirement in Bal Harbour, Florida. She kept up several very active correspondences with friends and fans in the days before and after the invention of email ( I met one of those guys also who answered my questions about her and what she was like) ...in her later years she basically lived a life that no one would have noticed had she not been the subject of the amazing documentary. By the way, the Town of East Hampton refused to pick up their trash even after they got paid. It wasn’t until the press came swooping in did anyone give a damn, I agree with Anastasia46, her sons followed their father’s lead...Big Edie would not do what her husband demanded and leave Grey Gardens, her sons would not help with money beyond a court ordered $200 dollar a month stipend that never changed through the years and even by early seventies standards that was hardly any money if you include everything ( Brooks the gardener did not work for free)...Jerry did some light house work as a kid but then he went to Saudi Arabia for some job and then moved to NYC and became a cab driver. He was at the preview of the B’way show when I was there, when it was still Off- Broadway. He seemed like a nice guy. Lee Radziwill wanted the Maysles to make a movie about her and her sister’s early life growing up...this idea went out the window when the Maysles met the Beales. They came back a year after first meeting them after asking Lee if it was all right if they made a documentary about her cousin and aunt, ( Lee used to say they stole her movie, but I think she was saying it with love, she was loaded, just like Jackie, they both married and dated wealthy and powerful men). So, I know it says Jackie and Lee donated money to fix up the house on Wikipedia, but I am sorry if that sound a bit like the saying “a portion of the proceeds will go to..., I have heard ( and don’t gang up, this is what people who knew Edie said) that it was largely the immense fortune of Ari Onassis ( who evidently really liked the Beales) helped the Beales from getting kicked out, Lee did really help, I feel Jackie was embarrassed, as I think she should have been for not helping sooner, before her first cousins were living in filth and they almost got evicted and the press swooped down on them. The publicity and family shame finally got the house cleaned up for them, they had no money. it was more Ari’s direction than Jackie’s, and again, evidently, according to the folks I asked. I have no explanation as to why that would be. The sons lived in Long Island and should have helped their mother. Edie is the only one who actually moved in with her and look how that went. None of us, even fans who have tried to figure out exactly how a lovely farm house at the end of Long Island that was quite beautiful in the 30’s got so run down, it happens year by year, decade by decade, it is happening in homes right now across America to not famous people who don’t have money to pay for their bills or medical expenses, they fell through the cracks. The cats didn’t show up to the house till the 50’s and that happened litter after litter starting with just two cats that little Edie was finally allowed to have as pets after years of Big Edie saying “No Cats!” According to Sally Quinn and Ben Bradlee, when it rains it still smells like old cat pee in the house. One of the most shameful things that happened when the town came in and initially “cleaned” is they just pulled in the water hoses and blasted each room down, ruining what antiques that had not already been ruined by the animals and rain and rot, smashing and breaking things as they went from room to room. Sally Quinn had some of the only remaining pieces that were in the house when they bought it refurbished and it was the Bradlee-Quinn’s who were able to funnel piles of cash into Grey Gardens and return it to its original shine. Edie has a good relationship with them too. Honestly, it seems the people Edie did not get along with were the constant stream of shameless trespassers onto the property and the messed up East Hampton Town council folk who just tortured them in the late sixties and early seventies with threat after threat. For the people who think Jackie Bouvier Kennedy Onassis was so different from her cousin and aunt, listen to her talk in old videos, especially her famous televised White House tour where she enthusiastically and breathlessly describes the furnishings and art in the White House, she sounds exactly like Little Edie describing Grey Gardens. So folks, I ask you to listen to anastasia46 ‘s posts, she seems to know her facts quite well, and everyone, settle down, emotions run hot when it comes to these infamous women. If anyone knows some telling of this story that is more accurate I would love to hear it as I personally never tire from getting the real story of how this all came to pass. Just know, Little Edie had years of happy days long after the documentary was made. She, like her mother, she ended up finally having her “cake, chewed it and masticated it”.
I have heard that Jackie has the owner of reno Sweeney’s close down edie’s act. I’m sure it was a sellout and has since become legendary, as have many of the performances in the paradise room of Reno’s back when New York was quite wonderful. Also, sally Quinn’s story of her witchcraft should be mentioned. In her autobiography, she says she put hexes on 3 people who subsequently died. After having a son born with brain problems, Sally’s brother told her to stop the hexes. I believe she declined requests to hex president trump from some of his enemies.
Two very strong and determined women! Now we know why Jackie Kennedy was that way too, it ran in her family! Families are never what they appear, rich or poor! This was a very enlightening story. Thanks for the video!
Wow, were they so spoiled that they didn't know how to clean up after themselves and cook and grocery shop? It's common with regular people too especially sons who's moms clean up after them their entire life eventually the person lacks basic life skills
big eddy was very selfish to abuse her daughter in this way. Her husband should have been made to give money to live on. Her father was a social snob and did not care about her future or the wellbeing of his dau8ghter. Edie's sons were the same. Some kind of crazy family. A greedy bunch of people. Jackie had the funds to correct the situation but chose not to. Thrown out the family for what she wore to a wedding, what a bunch of nobodys
The saddest part is that Little Edie sold the home for $220K and the owner sold it for $5.5 million, even though it would need 'fixing up'. At least Jackie and Lee helped out a bit, although w. Onassis wealth Jackie was certainly able to do so.
in addition, as soon as they could, their family started putting out coffee table books about grey gardens. so their family would not give them a dime while they were alive, but took the opportunity to make money off them as soon as they could. this family literally left those 2 ladies to starve and freeze to death. And little edie had 2 brothers who refused to help as well.
The land alone should have been worth more. This is East Hampton. Lily pond road. Not on the ocean, but just another lawn away. The town was rated the prettiest village in America b6 readers digest. Go off season, you’ll see why, though the celebrities and designer shops have bastardized the place. It used to be old money and working class. Btw, big edie’s father’s house just sold in nutley park a few years ago. A gated section of nutley.
They didnt fall from grace the husband walked out and left them no means of support. Both women were psychological y affected and chose to hide in that 28 room mansion rather then face humiliation.
Their life was and endless descent into darkness made worse by the fact that they came from all the way up. Instead of glorifying the mess they made of their lives and themselves, we should use it as a cautionary tale because the two were obviously mentally challenged too. If you need to rely on family handouts to survive when you were privileged to begin with, sorry darling but you dug your own grave. Now lie in it.
I think getting their home fixed up and being able to keep it was enough payment for not getting anything for the film. As far as the selling of the home she was definitely low balled. Its a understatement to say she was taken advantage of. She received only 200 grand where it was resold for 15 MILLION.
It was resold after it had been gutted completely,rebuilt and the landscape was done. If the property had really been worth more, don’t you think that they would’ve had higher offers? They had trashed it.
She wasn’t low balled. The house was still gross and needed much more repairs than what Jackie did. Jackie did enough so they wouldn’t get evicted and to make the place livable by fixing plumbing and to be just enough up to city ordinance requirements. The place smelled Like cat piss until the new owners gutted it and replaced the floors and walls.
I will read Jerry Torre's book. It's hard to tell how they really were because they both were very aware and sometimes performing for the cameras. I think Jerry's statement would be accurate.
yes, I wondered that, as you see little Edie looking for the camera quite a bit, rather than just being observed by it. I think they both welcomed the attention. Probably had been ignored by everyone (family, friends, acquaintances, neighbours, etc) for many years & so jumped at the chance for some interaction. I think both thrived with some male appreciation.
YES I love the two Edies and I’ve watched grey gardens several times the movie is also great Drew Barrymore is exceptional in it. Thanks for this video 😊
You could watch this....or...you could just watch Grey Gardens....both the documentary *AND* (especially) the musical. (Though I will warn you...the musical will make you cry incredibly and the documentary will just leave you depressed.....both achieve the same aims as this video just with more dramatic impact.) However, this is far more depressing.
they did owe a ton in taxes. Little Edie had 2 brothers who also refused to help them because they wanted them to sell the house and were hoping that the property would be seized. One brother was a wealthy lawyer and when Jackie had the property cleaned up, the lawyer brother reluctantly paid the taxes owed.
Jackie could have helped so much more. She obviously went there as a child in the summers. I think the Edies were so used to servants they never really thought of knew how to clean and those eccentricities were mental health issues. And little Edie really seemed to be afraid of her father She was absolutely a stunning woman
Both Big Edie and Little Edie were, to be blunt, nuts. They did little or nothing to live responsibly within their means. Nobody else should have been required to step in and try to get their lives in order if they themselves would not do so - which they didn't.
The main fact is little Edie was a great daughter. Sure she could have left her mother alone but she didn’t because her mother would have died a lot sooner and alone. They needed each other.
Big edie was beautiful and that got her money but she was batshit crazy, greedy😢 and that money ran out ,her looks faded, neither woman knew how to do anything for themselves (thanks to servants)she couldn't stand knowing her daughter may have been the big star , that she wanted to be so badly...rip little Edie
I wonder if the fam didnt pay to help because of the way they lived. Like maybe they would have if the mom would have moved somewhere they could maintain in the end. I wouldnt pay to fix up that kind of a place for them so they could trash it again
I hope you were able to see Christine ebersole in the broadway musical. She played big Edie in act 1 and little Edie in act 2. One of the best performances ever. She had little Edie down to a t.
They also had a still birth with a girl named Anastasia before her 2nd pregnancy with Caroline. Then John was born and Jackie had baby Patrick who lived 2 days. His lungs weren't doing well. He died.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor The daughter had a career lined up which her mother sabotaged. it didn't occur to her that her daughter could earn enough to support them both.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor The documentary made huge money, then came several popular books, a Broadway show, at least two feature films and now how many UA-cam vids milking it...and those batsh*t crazy women didn't get paid for any of it. You think people didn't get rich off them? You are crazy.
Juanita Richards That’s true. Lining up a potential job and actually going to work and making a living for yourself year after year are two different things. Both women could have made different decisions about their lives.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor Neither of them were what we would call normal. I know people like that who try, but can't hold down jobs, can't fit in anywhere socially.
A very complicated story.. interesting for sure...Got to say they look pretty happy to me... Full of regrets.. But who isn't.? I hope they were proud of this documentry, they clearly sacraficed a lot to be stars...and in the end... They achieved it.
I still think Big Edie was selfish. Yes, I am all for being yourself but if you knew that your husband holds the purses, then certaun concessions would have to be made. Little Edie was not strongwilled, she could have made a life for herself if she just dug in her heels and married when she had the chance.
After the house was fixed, the new owners sold it 2 years later for 3 million. They paid 500,000. Later it had an addition off the back and larger garage...sold for 15 million it later was used as a summer rental for 135,000 for 2 months.
If Big Edie wasn't so stubborn (and crazy) they could have sold that mansion before it fell into disrepair. They could have bought a much more modest place and paid someone to clean up after them.....
I saw the documentary and also movie called Gray Garden to me mother was normal the daughter was off. I think Jackie was not normal either and she talk and sound demented!
I think Big Edie was narcissistic. She displayed the symptoms: - delusions of grandeur - exaggerating achievements, talents, and importance - needs constant praise/admiration - extreme feelings of jealousy - demeans and bullies others - exploits others without guilt/shame - difficulty maintaining healthy relationships
@@musicaltheatergeek79 I can't for sure big E. was narcissistic. But a common trait I have noticed for a lot of older people, seniors, etc, will reminisce about their previous experiences & exaggerate their talents, skills, importance & in some cases tell outright lies. If you ever have watched any of the various family history research programmes, you found this was often the case too. Perhaps its just human nature to appear better than you are ?
Ben Bradlee (Washington Post, famously played by Jason Robards in "All the President's Men" and his wife purchased Grey Gardens. The home and grounds are beautiful.
The mother prevented young Edie from marrying or having a career. She used guilt trips, emotional blackmail and outright lies to keep her daughter at home with her. And in their social class no ordinary employer would hire them. Young Edie was a talented singer and dancer and her mother sabotaged that potential career when it was offered to her.
They didn’t “fall from grace”. That implies that they fell away from god, if you believe in that. Lucifer/Satan fell from grace. They fell on hard times.
everybody took advantage of these 2 ladies. Their own family who refused to help them when alive, took their photos and made books to sell about grey gardens. So their family wouldn't help them but didn't hesitate to make money off them ASAP. And now the documentary has spin offs as a play, a movie, endless articles, books.....and the poor women couldn't afford to pay the water bill.
@@anastasia10017 to be fair, their family did help them. Jacqueline Kennedy and Lee Radziwill spent money and time on them and without much improvement.
@@kirbywaite1586 only because photos of grey gardens and the ladies were plastered all over the front pages of the national enquirer and the local township were threatening to throw the women out on the street. Big Edie had 2 sons, neither one helped them. it was out of embarrassment that Jackie stepped in. Once Jackie spent the money to clean the place, one of Little Edie's brothers reluctantly paid the tax bill owed on the property.
@@anastasia10017 you can't very well blame Jackie for not doing what Edie's own sons wouldn't do. She was only a cousin, after all. Shame may have been the motivating factor and what is wrong with that? Most normal people experience shame. The people with no shame were the self absorbed mothervand daughter.
Belle Gardens is a wild documentary bc it's like a time capsule from way back in that era. The dynamic between the Mother Edie & Daughter Edie is toxic as well. So sad.
"They" did not live life on their own terms, they lived life on Big Edie's terms. Poor daughter was an emotional prisoner and gave up her own life for her mother's.
Mental illness back then was hidden and there was no one to help.
Exactly what I was thinking.
irishwench333 really prove it.
@Cheryl Lynne She was diagnosed with schizophrenia
irishwench333 exactly
The worse thing is when the parent tells u that nobody held u back, u had all the freedom to leave even though they emotionally blackmail u and create social phobia inside u that u can't leave.
True. And the daughter lacked the skills to earn her own way financially. Big Edie knew what she was doing...created an emotionally & financially dependent adult child. It reminds me of the "beggar" street children in India. The parents club their arms, legs, etc & cripple them & put them on streets to beg in order to support the entire family.
@@forreal245 Little Edie had a potential career lined up but her mother put the kibosh on that.
As someone in her late teens going into to adult who is emotionally and financially dependent on my mother because of her over protective and helicopter parenting I can't agree more. I can't do anything or go outside at all. She constantly say the "outside world " is a scary place and that I should never be niave or trust people. We always stay indoors 24/7 because of this I'm practically under house arrest. Whenever I attempt to learn or do anything that go against her she gets very disapproving and tends to insult and belittle me until I stop. If she get confronted or pressed about this she will always claim " I never forced you or chained you " . There is more than one way to keep someone as captive and it doesn't have to be in literal chains.
She approve of my education but only under her terms and her way. I'm not very book smart sadly so this little lee way I have is also full of conflict.
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Little Edie is one of my Idols. I don't think she was crazy like some people say. I think she was unique, refreshing, intelligent and fascinating. A star in her own right, and was not appreciated enough. R.I.P Little Edie.
Mine to, and I don't.think she or her mom were crazy. They i.o had problems from what they had been put through.
Cat Peach really?
@Blue Skies she would have been fine. she would have been considered entertaining and eccentric and people would have loved going to her parties. All little edie needed was a decent husband and she would have been ok.
I believe she was mentally ill, brought on by being raised and infantilized by a malignant narcissist
@@TrekJohnDoe yes....really.
little edie was stunningly beautiful when she was young. she was a knockout.
That is subjective.
@@t4705mb6 look up her photos
I agree...she’s beautiful, even more beautiful than Jackie & Lee ...she could have achieved a lot more in her life if not for her mother.
@Ace Drummer look up pics of her she was beautiful.
Is that up for debate?
I wonder how much little Eddy could had done in her life had she not been shackled to her mother. She appeared to be very talented.
Agree. Big Edie did not give Little Edie much choice at all, “ you have to return to Grey Garden” did not have any options in it.
@@Ronin4614 when she did finally get a chance to perform in New York after her mother's death, the reviews were so bad they made sure she doesn't see them. So no talent wasted there, mom was right.
@@Mloofyliciousthat was so many years later, it’s not even fair to compare.
The mother criticizes every dream lil Edie ever had..I think Big Edie never got over her dream!!! Lil Edie paid the price.🏚🌹🌹
Shame on the people who did not compensate the two Edies for the documentary. it would have been the right thing to do and they obviously needed it.
Jeanette Wyatt I'm not completely sure but I heard the Maysels never made any money from the documentary.
The people who made the documentary were broke at the time.
People making documentaries and reality shows don’t get a lot of money at all. It’s nothing like the millions that float around big movie productions and successful tv series. Compared to what people earn working for or on big productions, people in documentaries and reality shows both in front of and behind the camera earn peanuts.
Heck little E got 220000 dollars and moved to Florida.
Doug G that was for selling the house!
What a horrible mother not letting her daughter marry. She could have married a wealthy man that could have helped them
Her daughter could have married anytime she wanted.
She made her own *choices.*
BTW: You sound like the typical gold digger - a parasite.
Ah, yes. Marry a wealthy man for his money.
t4705mb6 that was normal back then. Relax
t4705mb6 hahaha, I paid off a car and I’m paying off student loans with money I earn at my job. But yeah I’m a parasite. Lol hilarious
Jennifer Smith good for you 👍, don't pay any attention to the douchebags, he's probably an incel who lives in his mother's basement. I know what you meant, her mother destroyed her life and kept her prisoner in that house out of guilt. She was gorgeous and bright and could've had a happy life but her narcissistic mother couldn't think of anyone but herself.
I remember watching the documentary years ago, and I was absolutely shocked to see how these two were living. It was so bizarre. I am glad that Little Edie was able to go to Florida and live. I hope she found happiness.
@marilyn6556.i agree to .i hope shes at peace .🙏⛱️🌈🌟🏊♂️⛵🐬🐬🐬🐬🌻💐🌹🌹🌹🌹🌹AMEN
This sounds more like a brief bio of Jackie with a little about the Beales thrown in
the video spends about 2 of the 12 minutes talking about jackie, cynthia.
@@creativeblunder omg, the way you threw ",cynthia" in at the end was such a boss power move and you have revived me from my slumberous depression, cynthia.
I dont mean to be off topic but does any of you know a trick to get back into an Instagram account?
I somehow lost my account password. I would love any help you can offer me!
@Axl Fabian instablaster :)
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Basically I think in the US most people cast away their elderly family members. And it's often one family member has to deal with them in their elderly years. I was the only sibling that helped my mom for two decades. I have 5 siblings that followed their 'dreams' and didn't bother to help our mom or dad. There's something wrong with the dynamics here of family and pooling everyone's ideas and support for helping out elderly. It's not that way in every case but it's amazing how many people I have encountered that they too are the only ones helping their parents
Oh way to generalize! Wrong, that may be on Long Island or in Hollywood, but no one among my friends and family has abandoned their elderly parents.
Agree that's why nursing homes are overflowing
RIP, Edie's! No one will ever really know what really laid heavy in your heart and soul. I hope you fullfilled your dreams in the hereafter💙🙏😇
You can be eccentric and not be dirty.
riverice7 I always wondered why they didn’t just clean up - this video briefly explains that in East Hampton sanitation is private (I forgot this was still a thing), so why didn’t the neighbors just chip in and help them secure sanitation pick up so they could clean?? Seems a little heartless if no one tried that.
Also, clearly there was significant mental illness in both Edie’s. Very sad lives they lead in those last decades.
Yes. And you can be poor and be tidy and clean! Even rags can be washed and bare floors swept!
they didnt have money. they couldn't pay for heat or hot water. they didnt have a working toilet. they didnt have phone service. they couldn't pay the municipal fees for garbage pick up. they couldn't pay the water bill. They were left penniless by their families to freeze and starve to death. Little Edie had 2 brothers who also turned their backs on them and refused to help. Little Edie might have made it in the world but her selfish mother refused to let her marry or let her go.
your body: it can be dirty if you so wish
@@anastasia10017 I watched Grey Gardens,both documentary and the HBO movie-both loved very much,and made me think and do some research. My question here,regarding their money condition is this:why Little Edie did not go to work..? I'm not sarcastic,it's just my first thought...
You would think with all the wealth Jackie-O amassed she would've helped her aunt and cousin out a little....
they were given money, and people repeatedly wanted to help them out. Big Edie wanted nothing of it, and Little Edie stayed with her mom.
They did.
It’s heartbreaking.
Did you miss the part where it said that she (Jackie) and her sister pulled together $30,000 to fix up the house? Not her fault they didn't take better care of it.
They were hoarders and the home was filled with trash and feces.
What exactly do you expect Jackie to do? Cure their mental illness?
Why aren’t you holding the brothers or Big E’s ex-husband accountable?
Little edie's father basically abandoned his wife and daughter and left them penniless. He later divorced her and married a younger woman. Her mother came from a very well to do family but they did not help, and Big Edie's father cut her out of his will so she could not inherit. There is a possibility that the husband took his wife's money when he left -- who knows ?? Also, Little Edie had 2 brothers who also turned their backs and refused to help them.
@Obsidian Wildfire so what ? The outcome is that he abandoned his wife and daughter , did not protect them, and left them penniless to starve and freeze to death . Does the Catholic Church recognize that ?
It's so odd that Jackie Kennedy gets all of this hate for ignoring 2 women that weren't her immediate family, but the 3 males that left their wife, mother, sister, daughter to rot are almost never mentioned.
@Obsidian Wildfire Abandonment is abandonment. If you are still married in the eyes of the catholic church and the husband does not provide financially for his wife and children, does not feed them or keep them warm in winter, hasn't seen them in forever and lives with a new "wife" and has started a new life with her, than WTF is so special about catholic marriage ? It is not keeping the heat on or food on the table for Big Edie and her 3 children.
@Obsidian Wildfire Mexican divorce was real and legally recognized. There is a separation of Church and State in case you didnt know.
@@hekatejayne2238 exactly my point. Even big Edie's wealthy father disinherited her and her sons were waiting for the roof to collapse on them. it's shameful.
Little Edie was a real character with a unique elegance of her own and a nice lady from what I have seen in the Maylses documentary.
I saw the documentary and the HBO remake some time ago and it was definitely eye opening and interesting to see their living conditions. Bless their souls.
3:01 for Edie Beale. Pictures at 3:40 + are of Little Edie after her mother died, NOT Big Edie. Didn’t explain that Little Edie had a nervous condition that caused her hair to fall out. That’s why she always fashioned those head scarves. First read about her in the New York magazine e in the 1970. Her personality and verve came through. It was amazing that she survived that life with mum
So sad little Edie never stood up for herself
So sad she never grew up!
Too much about JFK and Jackie
This is what happens to most narcissist who sabotaged lives of others and themselves in the process, all pay a hefty price in the end. People forget that we have a limited lifespan in which you have to make good decisions.
My narc mother sabotaged my education..........
Juanita Richards mine too, told me to drop out but refused and went ahead completed high school.
@@Kabaselefh My mother did it a different way. At the end of the third form she took me out of the coed high school where I was in the top stream and doing really well, and put me into a Catholic girls school which had a very different very limited curriculum. Those girls had been learning Latin and French for years, and I never had so I was at a disadvantage going into it at age 14. They also only had two courses - languages and commercial - shorthand, typing and all that boring stuff. Nothing like the varied courses in the professional stream I had been in which had many more choice of classes and subjects. I was bored stiff and frustrated. Also we had to attend mass and there was lots of religious mumbo jumbo - my family were atheist. I couldn't get with this program at all. And all this was to keep me away from boys, because at my coed school I had too many admirers ringing me up on the phone, or knocking on our door. We were just kids, with normal teenage crushes. I began cutting school and just stopped trying or taking an interest in anything there. I was suspended once then later expelled. I just didn't fit in there. At 14 I got a job and went to work. Before age 15 I had left home and was flatting and working, to get away from the craziness at home.
@@RainydayReading Yes thank you. I made a life for myself and I'm happy.
Jackie married a Greek shipping billionaire and couldn't help these two relatives? A very strange bunch the Kennedy family.
Doesn't have anything to do with the Kennedys. And hermit hoarders on this level are mentally ill, the only help money would have done at this time period would have been to have at least the aunt institutionalized. Which probably should have been done.
She did help
She and her sister both banged RFK and JFK and Onassis.
It's always annoying when people post comments that obviously show they either didn't watch the video, or just didn't pay attention. Jackie and her sister Lee paid $30,000 in the early 1970s to fix up the dump, which is stated very clearly at 8:05. That was a big amount of money then too.
No one is obligated to help someone but Jackie did help
Is the narrator a text-to-speech bot? The video sounds so weird.
Of course it is!
Its okay
"Thank you for watching video!" Should've told you as much. Sometimes, it the more unemotional and sanitized things that make you appreciate Human narration that much more.
@b j I turned it off when the department store Gimbels was pronounced "Jimbels." ROFL. I HATE these robot voiced videos.
HATE that. Why would anybody choose to use that instead of just speak?
Big edie shudnt have had kids. My dad is the same. He sabotaged everything that I did. Just so that I cud b a prisoner in his home. Children are emotionally blackmailed and they are crippled to a point that they are required to take care of their parents.
centigradz Your statement implies you should not exist. Do you truly believe that?
OK - WHY does this author (Vlog ??) keep showing LITTLE Edie when speaking of BIG Edie??
Idk their story, but from the quick video the mother seems to have a very strong self-entitlement and lack of empathy, even for her own daughter... typical rich kids
ilove2929 : I know the story very well and Big Edy adored little Edy. That’s not to say she wasn’t mentally unstable. Eventually they both lived in a fantastical world but they had a sincere love for each other.
Yes it seems so.I think it's unfair to say Big Eadie forced little Eadie home .
You should watch the documentary. It’s here on UA-cam and very interesting.
Gosh little Edie was STUNNING I could barely watch the documentary, it’s just too crazy
I have only recently discovered the two Edie's and the Grey Gardens documentary. So fascinating at so many levels. But they do seem oblivious to their surroundings to an extent - and what struck me was that their education and upbringing was not conducive to housework; cooking; home repairs or working at a relatively 'normal' job. They were raised to be debutants. Their education and training reflected this. They have so little understanding of food preparation and hygiene (the pate! The hors d'oeuvres!) But there are so many wonderful moments in this documentary too. Big Edie's breaking into song; Little Edie's dancing. Their trying to be good hosts. The good crockery. Their upper class manners completely unaffected by the squalor. Their at times volatile yet co-dependent relationship. It is both joyful and sad.
When the robot voice said “thank you for watching video !” I felt that
Look, there used to be no information out about the Edie’s and now there’s a ton now that they have become huge cult favorites. I understand peoples visceral reaction to how they lived during that time, but honestly, anastasia46 ‘s description and posts here line up most with the facts as I have heard and read about them. I met and talked at length with David Lewis, Edie’s accompanist at her short-lived nightclub act at Reno Sweenie’s in NYC and after big Edie died she stayed at Grey Gardens and at Lois’ for a short while out there and then moved to New York, she stayed close with her niece, who she visited in California in the 90’s, she was in Montreal for a time and then lived most of the rest of her life in a comparatively normal retirement in Bal Harbour, Florida. She kept up several very active correspondences with friends and fans in the days before and after the invention of email ( I met one of those guys also who answered my questions about her and what she was like) ...in her later years she basically lived a life that no one would have noticed had she not been the subject of the amazing documentary. By the way, the Town of East Hampton refused to pick up their trash even after they got paid. It wasn’t until the press came swooping in did anyone give a damn, I agree with Anastasia46, her sons followed their father’s lead...Big Edie would not do what her husband demanded and leave Grey Gardens, her sons would not help with money beyond a court ordered $200 dollar a month stipend that never changed through the years and even by early seventies standards that was hardly any money if you include everything ( Brooks the gardener did not work for free)...Jerry did some light house work as a kid but then he went to Saudi Arabia for some job and then moved to NYC and became a cab driver. He was at the preview of the B’way show when I was there, when it was still Off- Broadway. He seemed like a nice guy. Lee Radziwill wanted the Maysles to make a movie about her and her sister’s early life growing up...this idea went out the window when the Maysles met the Beales. They came back a year after first meeting them after asking Lee if it was all right if they made a documentary about her cousin and aunt, ( Lee used to say they stole her movie, but I think she was saying it with love, she was loaded, just like Jackie, they both married and dated wealthy and powerful men). So, I know it says Jackie and Lee donated money to fix up the house on Wikipedia, but I am sorry if that sound a bit like the saying “a portion of the proceeds will go to..., I have heard ( and don’t gang up, this is what people who knew Edie said) that it was largely the immense fortune of Ari Onassis ( who evidently really liked the Beales) helped the Beales from getting kicked out, Lee did really help, I feel Jackie was embarrassed, as I think she should have been for not helping sooner, before her first cousins were living in filth and they almost got evicted and the press swooped down on them. The publicity and family shame finally got the house cleaned up for them, they had no money. it was more Ari’s direction than Jackie’s, and again, evidently, according to the folks I asked. I have no explanation as to why that would be. The sons lived in Long Island and should have helped their mother. Edie is the only one who actually moved in with her and look how that went. None of us, even fans who have tried to figure out exactly how a lovely farm house at the end of Long Island that was quite beautiful in the 30’s got so run down, it happens year by year, decade by decade, it is happening in homes right now across America to not famous people who don’t have money to pay for their bills or medical expenses, they fell through the cracks. The cats didn’t show up to the house till the 50’s and that happened litter after litter starting with just two cats that little Edie was finally allowed to have as pets after years of Big Edie saying “No Cats!” According to Sally Quinn and Ben Bradlee, when it rains it still smells like old cat pee in the house. One of the most shameful things that happened when the town came in and initially “cleaned” is they just pulled in the water hoses and blasted each room down, ruining what antiques that had not already been ruined by the animals and rain and rot, smashing and breaking things as they went from room to room. Sally Quinn had some of the only remaining pieces that were in the house when they bought it refurbished and it was the Bradlee-Quinn’s who were able to funnel piles of cash into Grey Gardens and return it to its original shine. Edie has a good relationship with them too. Honestly, it seems the people Edie did not get along with were the constant stream of shameless trespassers onto the property and the messed up East Hampton Town council folk who just tortured them in the late sixties and early seventies with threat after threat. For the people who think Jackie Bouvier Kennedy Onassis was so different from her cousin and aunt, listen to her talk in old videos, especially her famous televised White House tour where she enthusiastically and breathlessly describes the furnishings and art in the White House, she sounds exactly like Little Edie describing Grey Gardens. So folks, I ask you to listen to anastasia46 ‘s posts, she seems to know her facts quite well, and everyone, settle down, emotions run hot when it comes to these infamous women. If anyone knows some telling of this story that is more accurate I would love to hear it as I personally never tire from getting the real story of how this all came to pass. Just know, Little Edie had years of happy days long after the documentary was made. She, like her mother, she ended up finally having her “cake, chewed it and masticated it”.
I have heard that Jackie has the owner of reno Sweeney’s close down edie’s act. I’m sure it was a sellout and has since become legendary, as have many of the performances in the paradise room of Reno’s back when New York was quite wonderful.
Also, sally Quinn’s story of her witchcraft should be mentioned. In her autobiography, she says she put hexes on 3 people who subsequently died. After having a son born with brain problems, Sally’s brother told her to stop the hexes. I believe she declined requests to hex president trump from some of his enemies.
@@mzmiller52 New York is still wonderful
I believe Little Edie only stayed because she felt sorry for her mother which in turn led her to a sad & sorry life .
Two very strong and determined women! Now we know why Jackie Kennedy was that way too, it ran in her family! Families are never what they appear, rich or poor! This was a very enlightening story. Thanks for the video!
Wow, were they so spoiled that they didn't know how to clean up after themselves and cook and grocery shop? It's common with regular people too especially sons who's moms clean up after them their entire life eventually the person lacks basic life skills
Love Big Edie and Little Edie💜.
Many times you're talking about big Eedie and showing pics of little Eedie.
Eerie?!
big eddy was very selfish to abuse her daughter in this way. Her husband should have been made to give money to live on. Her father was a social snob and did not care about her future or the wellbeing of his dau8ghter. Edie's sons were the same. Some kind of crazy family. A greedy bunch of people. Jackie had the funds to correct the situation but chose not to. Thrown out the family for what she wore to a wedding, what a bunch of nobodys
We love you Little Edie!!
I can't believe I lived in the same area in South Florida and never got the chance to meet Little Edie, heartbreaking.
The saddest part is that Little Edie sold the home for $220K and the owner sold it for $5.5 million, even though it would need 'fixing up'.
At least Jackie and Lee helped out a bit, although w. Onassis wealth Jackie was certainly able to do so.
in addition, as soon as they could, their family started putting out coffee table books about grey gardens. so their family would not give them a dime while they were alive, but took the opportunity to make money off them as soon as they could. this family literally left those 2 ladies to starve and freeze to death. And little edie had 2 brothers who refused to help as well.
Not for $5.5 million but FIFTEEN.5 million $15.5 million
@@jmm2511 it was sold for that much because they fixed it up, it looked terrible when she sold it....
The land alone should have been worth more. This is East Hampton. Lily pond road. Not on the ocean, but just another lawn away.
The town was rated the prettiest village in America b6 readers digest. Go off season, you’ll see why, though the celebrities and designer shops have bastardized the place. It used to be old money and working class.
Btw, big edie’s father’s house just sold in nutley park a few years ago. A gated section of nutley.
I’m sorry....but Jackie is the strangest looking woman I’ve ever seen....
I'll co-sign
She is. Eyes on either side of her face like a fish and a square head. Extremely overrated.
I concur!!
Facial symptoms of fetal alcohol syndrome
@@BluesGirlBabe oh this could definitely be true
But also people in real life are usually very different
We still love them so damn much! Especially Little Edie!
They didnt fall from grace the husband walked out and left them no means of support. Both women were psychological y affected and chose to hide in that 28 room mansion rather then face humiliation.
i love these two XO
They were not crazy, they were unique.
On the contrary, they both exhibited all the classical symptoms of Bipolar Disorder.
When people live in filth, squalor in a home in serious disrepare, they are mentally ill, no doubt about it.
Big Edie was classic malignant narcissist who made Edie Jr. Her codependent
I found this very interesting thank you for sharing 👍
The picture at 3:53 is not of Big Edie. That is little Edie performing a night club act after big Edie had passed away.
Their life was and endless descent into darkness made worse by the fact that they came from all the way up. Instead of glorifying the mess they made of their lives and themselves, we should use it as a cautionary tale because the two were obviously mentally challenged too. If you need to rely on family handouts to survive when you were privileged to begin with, sorry darling but you dug your own grave. Now lie in it.
The doc about them is great. So real.
I HATE it when the audio is at the perfect volume and the end just blasts as loud as possible!
Watch Grey Gardens with Drew Barrymore. Great film adaptation of the Beale's life
Lissa K It is very good.
It will tear your heart apart. I cried for 10 minutes when it was over.
The father wrote her out of his will just because she showed up at a wedding dressed as an opera singer???
I'm just going off of what she said!
MrZapparin it’s perfectly fine 👌
MrZapparin going off of what I say is ok with me! 😁
It was looked at as attention seeking and disrespectful for a high society woman to try and steal the spotlight on her son's big day.
A PIG just looking 4 a reason . . Maybe he felt their Pain when he died.
Yes I agree going by the photographs of Little Edie she was more beautiful than her cousin Jacqueline Kennedy....
The higher you fly, the harder the fall.......
Little Edie was supermodel beautiful.....
Sanely insane
Insanely sane.
🤺💐
I think getting their home fixed up and being able to keep it was enough payment for not getting anything for the film. As far as the selling of the home she was definitely low balled. Its a understatement to say she was taken advantage of. She received only 200 grand where it was resold for 15 MILLION.
It was resold after it had been gutted completely,rebuilt and the landscape was done.
If the property had really been worth more, don’t you think that they would’ve had higher offers?
They had trashed it.
She wasn’t low balled. The house was still gross and needed much more repairs than what Jackie did. Jackie did enough so they wouldn’t get evicted and to make the place livable by fixing plumbing and to be just enough up to city ordinance requirements. The place smelled
Like cat piss until the new owners gutted it and replaced the floors and walls.
Documentary of the unused footage is now available, called “That Summer”
It's funny because more people talk nowadays about the Edie's than they do Jackie Kennedy.
Big and little Edie were really beautiful as young women.
I will read Jerry Torre's book. It's hard to tell how they really were because they both were very aware and sometimes performing for the cameras. I think Jerry's statement would be accurate.
yes, I wondered that, as you see little Edie looking for the camera quite a bit, rather than just being observed by it. I think they both welcomed the attention. Probably had been ignored by everyone (family, friends, acquaintances, neighbours, etc) for many years & so jumped at the chance for some interaction. I think both thrived with some male appreciation.
YES I love the two Edies and I’ve watched grey gardens several times the movie is also great Drew Barrymore is exceptional in it. Thanks for this video 😊
"They refused to live a life that was a lie." I don't know what that means. These were eccentric people who simply didn't take care of themselves.
They were ahead of their time, just "keeping it real", before the term was invented. LOL
They were both bipolar and as such we need to have some sympathy for them and also for the husband/sons who had to deal with their chaos.
You could watch this....or...you could just watch Grey Gardens....both the documentary *AND* (especially) the musical.
(Though I will warn you...the musical will make you cry incredibly and the documentary will just leave you depressed.....both achieve the same aims as this video just with more dramatic impact.)
However, this is far more depressing.
Jackie did nothing to help them!? Wow! Says a lot about her character smh 😖😖
I know a family who lived this way. I had a lot of respect for them. They never tried to harm anyone else. I say live and let live
She gave them 30k$ for home improvement, and they trashed it again
So sad.😢
I have wondered who paid the tax on that property. In most cases (all?) if you don't pay your tax, the property goes up for auction.
they did owe a ton in taxes. Little Edie had 2 brothers who also refused to help them because they wanted them to sell the house and were hoping that the property would be seized. One brother was a wealthy lawyer and when Jackie had the property cleaned up, the lawyer brother reluctantly paid the taxes owed.
those poor ladies. I wish I knew them I woulda bought them groceries.🍎🥕🌽🍖🥓🍪🍰
They spent over 200 a month just for ice cream. They were fine obviously.
Jackie could have helped so much more. She obviously went there as a child in the summers. I think the Edies were so used to servants they never really thought of knew how to clean and those eccentricities were mental health issues. And little Edie really seemed to be afraid of her father She was absolutely a stunning woman
jackie helped as much as she needed to. she was a cousin yet still did much. the father, husband and sons should have helped
Both Big Edie and Little Edie were, to be blunt, nuts. They did little or nothing to live responsibly within their means. Nobody else should have been required to step in and try to get their lives in order if they themselves would not do so - which they didn't.
This is sad. And why keep showing photos of Little Edie while referring to Big Edie? Irritating!!.,
2:56 is when the vid about the relatives begins...no need for the first part, really...but thanks for posting!
capubecks Yes! I just wanted to know about Big and Little Edie!
big eddie was a narcissistic mother and made her daughter emotional blackmail make her stay with her .. its abuse..
I adore Lil Edie
The main fact is little Edie was a great daughter. Sure she could have left her mother alone but she didn’t because her mother would have died a lot sooner and alone. They needed each other.
Co dependant
It’s the best costume for the day
Tobias Andrews the best COSTUME for today! Lol. Hubby still asks me if it’s today’s costume or will there be a “costume change” 😜
50LOVESIT I stand corrected! I can't believe I put outfit. I've seen Gardens too many times to make a biff like that. Thanks!!
0:26 I say her name now the same way the Beales and her family would “JACK-leen”. Thanks Grey Gardens lol
Big edie was beautiful and that got her money but she was batshit crazy, greedy😢 and that money ran out ,her looks faded, neither woman knew how to do anything for themselves (thanks to servants)she couldn't stand knowing her daughter may have been the big star , that she wanted to be so badly...rip little Edie
Jackie O had enough money to help her auntie. Stingy to let them live like that in cat poop n filth.
I wonder if the fam didnt pay to help because of the way they lived. Like maybe they would have if the mom would have moved somewhere they could maintain in the end. I wouldnt pay to fix up that kind of a place for them so they could trash it again
These two were losers with a capital L. What they did to that house is unforgiveable. I'm SO glad someone saved it!
You left out the part where Teddy killed Mary Jo Kopechne while driving drunk, fleeing scene.
9:32 I read somewhere that The Edies were each paid about $5000 for participating in the documentary. 🤔
30k is less than what she pays for jewelry.
30k was worth a lot more back then
Great casting when they made Grey Gardens!
I hope you were able to see Christine ebersole in the broadway musical. She played big Edie in act 1 and little Edie in act 2. One of the best performances ever. She had little Edie down to a t.
Wow, I actually never knew that Jackie and JFK had a baby who died at only 2 days old, so sad.
His name was Patrick Bouvier Kennedy. He is buried in Arlington National Cemetery with his parents.
@@musicaltheatergeek79, he had a very beautiful name. 🥰
They also had a still birth with a girl named Anastasia before her 2nd pregnancy with Caroline. Then John was born and Jackie had baby Patrick who lived 2 days. His lungs weren't doing well. He died.
The 2 day old baby in 1963 was named Patrick Kennedy. Also they had a child that was stillborn her name was Arabella Kennedy.
"GYM-bels" department store? HAHA!
The robot voice butchered Lee Radziwill's name.
So everyone around them got rich off them and they died poor.
They never did a day’s work. They lived off of money given to them by family members. No one got rich off of them.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor The daughter had a career lined up which her mother sabotaged. it didn't occur to her that her daughter could earn enough to support them both.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor The documentary made huge money, then came several popular books, a Broadway show, at least two feature films and now how many UA-cam vids milking it...and those batsh*t crazy women didn't get paid for any of it. You think people didn't get rich off them? You are crazy.
Juanita Richards That’s true. Lining up a potential job and actually going to work and making a living for yourself year after year are two different things. Both women could have made different decisions about their lives.
@@Mrs.TJTaylor Neither of them were what we would call normal. I know people like that who try, but can't hold down jobs, can't fit in anywhere socially.
Glad little Edie decided to sell up and get on with her life.
A very complicated story.. interesting for sure...Got to say they look pretty happy to me... Full of regrets.. But who isn't.? I hope they were proud of this documentry, they clearly sacraficed a lot to be stars...and in the end... They achieved it.
I still think Big Edie was selfish. Yes, I am all for being yourself but if you knew that your husband holds the purses, then certaun concessions would have to be made. Little Edie was not strongwilled, she could have made a life for herself if she just dug in her heels and married when she had the chance.
After the house was fixed, the new owners sold it 2 years later for 3 million. They paid 500,000. Later it had an addition off the back and larger garage...sold for 15 million it later was used as a summer rental for 135,000 for 2 months.
If Big Edie wasn't so stubborn (and crazy) they could have sold that mansion before it fell into disrepair. They could have bought a much more modest place and paid someone to clean up after them.....
I'm so glad little Edie got out and on her own in Fl,the people should have been sued for not paying them for the Documentary.
I thought they were paid by the Maysles brothers.
Wow very interesting... I loved the movie and documentary grey gardens
I saw the documentary and also movie called Gray Garden to me mother was normal the daughter was off. I think Jackie was not normal either and she talk and sound demented!
I see it as flipped. I think mom was bat shit crazy and Lil E was a victim of mom’s abuse for survival. I’m with ya on Jackie tho.
I think Big Edie was narcissistic. She displayed the symptoms:
- delusions of grandeur
- exaggerating achievements, talents, and importance
- needs constant praise/admiration
- extreme feelings of jealousy
- demeans and bullies others
- exploits others without guilt/shame
- difficulty maintaining healthy relationships
@@musicaltheatergeek79 I can't for sure big E. was narcissistic. But a common trait I have noticed for a lot of older people, seniors, etc, will reminisce about their previous experiences & exaggerate their talents, skills, importance & in some cases tell outright lies. If you ever have watched any of the various family history research programmes, you found this was often the case too. Perhaps its just human nature to appear better than you are ?
Wow! So interesting ❤
they could have gotten proper jobs like everyone else
Ben Bradlee (Washington Post, famously played by Jason Robards in "All the President's Men" and his wife purchased Grey Gardens. The home and grounds are beautiful.
The mother prevented young Edie from marrying or having a career. She used guilt trips, emotional blackmail and outright lies to keep her daughter at home with her. And in their social class no ordinary employer would hire them. Young Edie was a talented singer and dancer and her mother sabotaged that potential career when it was offered to her.
Tbe bot narrating said ' Jimbels instead of Gimbels🤣
Bugs me too.... and Rad zi will Lee's last name was bungled big time!
They didn’t “fall from grace”. That implies that they fell away from god, if you believe in that. Lucifer/Satan fell from grace. They fell on hard times.
Fell from grace?? They had no income, no money. Dad, husband left them nothing but the house. They did the best they could.
I watched this movie, it was strange, but enticing.
They were paid NOTHING by the film makers?
everybody took advantage of these 2 ladies. Their own family who refused to help them when alive, took their photos and made books to sell about grey gardens. So their family wouldn't help them but didn't hesitate to make money off them ASAP. And now the documentary has spin offs as a play, a movie, endless articles, books.....and the poor women couldn't afford to pay the water bill.
@@anastasia10017 to be fair, their family did help them. Jacqueline Kennedy and Lee Radziwill spent money and time on them and without much improvement.
@@kirbywaite1586 only because photos of grey gardens and the ladies were plastered all over the front pages of the national enquirer and the local township were threatening to throw the women out on the street. Big Edie had 2 sons, neither one helped them. it was out of embarrassment that Jackie stepped in. Once Jackie spent the money to clean the place, one of Little Edie's brothers reluctantly paid the tax bill owed on the property.
@@anastasia10017 you can't very well blame Jackie for not doing what Edie's own sons wouldn't do. She was only a cousin, after all. Shame may have been the motivating factor and what is wrong with that? Most normal people experience shame. The people with no shame were the self absorbed mothervand daughter.
The money came in much later when it went cult. The Maysles were responsible for all production and promotional costs.
Belle Gardens is a wild documentary bc it's like a time capsule from way back in that era. The dynamic between the Mother Edie & Daughter Edie is toxic as well. So sad.