since you have pro-q2, which has a matching feature, automatic at that, why not performing the task at hand all within the EQ? (ie. feeding proQ's sidechain w/ a pink noise programme). just wondering, honest inquiry.
Well, pink noise is like white noise but with a tilt shifting of 3 dB per octave. That's totally ok for a radio mix. Club sounds or tracks like yours typically have a tilt of 4.5 dB. But it's a good strategy, though it'd be better to correct the volume of certain instruments first, check their broadband and eq them if needed inside the mix instead of eq'n the whole master.
Wahrscheinlich klingt das Ergebnis nicht nur phasenbedingt grauenhaft, da er im Grunde eine gerade Linie mit 3 dB Tilt erzwingt und sich somit sämtliche harmonische glatt bügelt. Aber das Ganze hätte er einfacher haben können, indem er in Q2 ein EQ Match mit dem Pink Noise macht. Außerdem könnte er den Q2 analyzer auf 3 dB Tilt stellen und mittels Spectrum Grab alles gerade ziehen. Aber wie auch immer, es ist so oder so bedenklich und einer von vielen falschen Tipps hier auf UA-cam.
Sah selbst für mich als Laien irgendwie komisch aus. Vor allem Elektronische Musik hat ja im Analyzer eher ein "Smiley" Also Sub und Highs angehoben...?! Diese eierlegenden Wollmilchsäue beim Mixing sind immer mit Vorsicht zu genießen. Wenn's so einfach wär, wär jeder Mixing Engineer. :D
Never tried myself, but IIRC pink noise roughly resembles the human hearing's frequency response - pink noise sounds 'naturally balanced' and thus using pink noise as a reference is a nice starting point for balancing a mix. In theory. White noise has equal energy across the whole spectrum - human hearing perceives it as 'bright sounding'. Pink noise is filtered down white noise with a 3 db/oct slope, each octave has equal energy as the octave before going up through the frequency spectrum - it's perceived as 'balanced'. There's an SOS article 'Mixing to a pink noise reference' if you're interested.
@@GoGoGoRunRunRun I know what pink noise is...the problem in the video above is, he is not using pink but white noise (even his file is named wrong). As you can see, the spectrum is almost linear. Mixing to pink noise does somewhat work (i tried that), but mixing to white noise doesn't make any sense.
GREAT JOB I used this and it is FLAWLESS!!!!! LOVED THE VIDEO!!! But thats not how the engineers do it.. I rendered my pink noise as a wav file, but pushed its level to zero DB before i recorded it to wav as a saftey net sort of like a limiter.without the limiting, PERFECT! No more needing to mix for ten years lol. Your doing it differently. What we do is play the pink noise then lower all your faders then raise them one by one until we hear the track over the pink noise then lower it till we can just barley hear it. Thus getting a perfect mix or balanced mix.next we listen to it over monitors and adjust the mix in mono. Your doing way different.
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know of a method to log back into an Instagram account?? I stupidly lost my password. I appreciate any help you can offer me.
@Ronnie Rayan i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff now. Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
Keep going with this experimentation. Why? Because pink noise is a common denominator component in speaker design, manufacture, calibration (playback) and mastering and - the way in which our ears perceive frequency. As a final anecdote, there is a similarity in relation to the mandelbrot Think about this and do your own further research. Common denominators imply connectivity, commonality and predictability.
Думаю, это ошибка так сглаживать звук до розового шума... слишком мелкие детали. Розовый шум сам по себе не музыкальный, это 1. 2. Ачх может выглядеть как розовый шум, но звучать иначе. HOFA ANALYSIER - очень хороший инструмент для поиска ошибок и проблем, но за счёт его точности он даёт такие ошибки, как на видео. Как минимум, если подстраивать ачх под розовый шум, нужно снизить разрешение анализатора, тогда он даст более точный, слуховой результат. Так же лучше слушать и делать корректировки слушая и сам шум, адаптируя тем самым свои уши, а не смотреть на картинку.
I prefer Brown noise that said you should not use the noise it self but the intergrated loudness at corresponding frequencies. Don't forget pink noise Brown or white noise as a dynamic range of 0 and music and have a dynamic range from-23 to - 5 dB. So the best ways to address this is to use a multiband compressor to isolate the frequency Spectrum into 4 groups and match those with the l u f s loudness values of pink noise for brown noise
Hey Sadowick, Great vid. I am curious how you would thread the baseline. Will you pull it down (with eq) to match the pink noise graph? Or will you pull the dipps up to have it bouncing far above the pink noise graph becausse it is dance music so we need a lot of bass?
The reason there are spikes in this sample is the repetition of the bassline and drum elements, they don't change. If there was more musical, timbrel variation, then the frequency response would naturally be flatter. In this instance, EQ cutting the dominant frequency elements achieves nothing.
When you mix completely flat like this you run the risk of killing any focus point in the mix. Sure it's balanced and pleasing to the average ear, but it's not properly using your ears to check your mix like this. This method is almost completely based on flat frequency assumption. Yes many tracks are mastered this way, but sometimes a deficient frequency (say 2.8khz is a little lacking) that shouldn't mean instantly add it in.
+SoupCan113 Isn't important, you've to focus in the sound, here sadowick is just trying to achieve a similar sound by taking a reference, (a balance in this case or just experimenting), but the sound of course to be similar or to sound good, depends of a tons of factors. Just remember, there are a tons of factors that make each sound be different to another. Greetings
R RSTU Yes, but without the extreme boosting. To boost an EQ band by 6db with such a narrow Q will cause phase problems. A linier phase EQ would be better.
+Jason Gibbins best thing about the Pro Q2 is that it's linear phase mode is just a mouse click away. I'm sure he'll change it from zero latency to linear phase before he exports.
This pink noise thing is shit...For all you would be mixers out there, there is no easy way of mixing. First off if you do not have a great set of ears, work at mc donalds, Try going to an audio engineering school if you want to really no how to mix and master
your information is good. I would like to watch more of you... but to be honest I can't. its like falling asleep in math class. the info can help but DAM the teacher has no clue how to make the information LIVE.. so zzzzzzz!
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since you have pro-q2, which has a matching feature, automatic at that, why not performing the task at hand all within the EQ? (ie. feeding proQ's sidechain w/ a pink noise programme). just wondering, honest inquiry.
OMG, 10-15 db small bands on mastering?? what??
Well, pink noise is like white noise but with a tilt shifting of 3 dB per octave. That's totally ok for a radio mix. Club sounds or tracks like yours typically have a tilt of 4.5 dB. But it's a good strategy, though it'd be better to correct the volume of certain instruments first, check their broadband and eq them if needed inside the mix instead of eq'n the whole master.
Das gleiche dachte ich auch. Zumal er den Pro q sogar in Zero Latency benutzt. Ob das man so gut für die Phasen ist...
Wahrscheinlich klingt das Ergebnis nicht nur phasenbedingt grauenhaft, da er im Grunde eine gerade Linie mit 3 dB Tilt erzwingt und sich somit sämtliche harmonische glatt bügelt. Aber das Ganze hätte er einfacher haben können, indem er in Q2 ein EQ Match mit dem Pink Noise macht. Außerdem könnte er den Q2 analyzer auf 3 dB Tilt stellen und mittels Spectrum Grab alles gerade ziehen. Aber wie auch immer, es ist so oder so bedenklich und einer von vielen falschen Tipps hier auf UA-cam.
Sehe ich ähnlich.
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Sah selbst für mich als Laien irgendwie komisch aus. Vor allem Elektronische Musik hat ja im Analyzer eher ein "Smiley" Also Sub und Highs angehoben...?!
Diese eierlegenden Wollmilchsäue beim Mixing sind immer mit Vorsicht zu genießen. Wenn's so einfach wär, wär jeder Mixing Engineer. :D
what makes you think that a flat frequency curve was the goal at mixing ? This is not for a mic pre data sheet.
That's why its an experiment....
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Never tried myself, but IIRC pink noise roughly resembles the human hearing's frequency response - pink noise sounds 'naturally balanced' and thus using pink noise as a reference is a nice starting point for balancing a mix. In theory.
White noise has equal energy across the whole spectrum - human hearing perceives it as 'bright sounding'. Pink noise is filtered down white noise with a 3 db/oct slope, each octave has equal energy as the octave before going up through the frequency spectrum - it's perceived as 'balanced'.
There's an SOS article 'Mixing to a pink noise reference' if you're interested.
@@GoGoGoRunRunRun I know what pink noise is...the problem in the video above is, he is not using pink but white noise (even his file is named wrong). As you can see, the spectrum is almost linear. Mixing to pink noise does somewhat work (i tried that), but mixing to white noise doesn't make any sense.
Great tutorial bro! Could you maybe do a newer version of setting up your mix down for master?
GREAT JOB I used this and it is FLAWLESS!!!!! LOVED THE VIDEO!!! But thats not how the engineers do it.. I rendered my pink noise as a wav file, but pushed its level to zero DB before i recorded it to wav as a saftey net sort of like a limiter.without the limiting, PERFECT! No more needing to mix for ten years lol. Your doing it differently. What we do is play the pink noise then lower all your faders then raise them one by one until we hear the track over the pink noise then lower it till we can just barley hear it. Thus getting a perfect mix or balanced mix.next we listen to it over monitors and adjust the mix in mono. Your doing way different.
Ever heard about spectrum matching? Your ProQ2 does exactly that. Matches your complete EQ curve to whatever reference you chose within seconds...
i dont mean to be so off topic but does any of you know of a method to log back into an Instagram account??
I stupidly lost my password. I appreciate any help you can offer me.
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@Ronnie Rayan i really appreciate your reply. I got to the site through google and I'm waiting for the hacking stuff now.
Takes quite some time so I will get back to you later with my results.
@Ronnie Rayan it did the trick and I now got access to my account again. Im so happy!
Thanks so much you saved my account :D
@Arlo Jon no problem xD
Keep going with this experimentation. Why? Because pink noise is a common denominator component in speaker design, manufacture, calibration (playback) and mastering and - the way in which our ears perceive frequency. As a final anecdote, there is a similarity in relation to the mandelbrot Think about this and do your own further research. Common denominators imply connectivity, commonality and predictability.
Думаю, это ошибка так сглаживать звук до розового шума... слишком мелкие детали. Розовый шум сам по себе не музыкальный, это 1. 2. Ачх может выглядеть как розовый шум, но звучать иначе. HOFA ANALYSIER - очень хороший инструмент для поиска ошибок и проблем, но за счёт его точности он даёт такие ошибки, как на видео.
Как минимум, если подстраивать ачх под розовый шум, нужно снизить разрешение анализатора, тогда он даст более точный, слуховой результат. Так же лучше слушать и делать корректировки слушая и сам шум, адаптируя тем самым свои уши, а не смотреть на картинку.
your speach sounds like amsr. i fell asleep. -.-
So happy you're back!! :D
the noise reference file you are using is not pink but white noise, your spectrum would have a high freq. roll off with pink noise
Glad to have you back making videos!
What about the bass?
it looks like that need treatment as well
I prefer Brown noise that said you should not use the noise it self but the intergrated loudness at corresponding frequencies. Don't forget pink noise Brown or white noise as a dynamic range of 0 and music and have a dynamic range from-23 to - 5 dB. So the best ways to address this is to use a multiband compressor to isolate the frequency Spectrum into 4 groups and match those with the l u f s loudness values of pink noise for brown noise
Hey Sadowick,
Great vid.
I am curious how you would thread the baseline. Will you pull it down (with eq) to match the pink noise graph? Or will you pull the dipps up to have it bouncing far above the pink noise graph becausse it is dance music so we need a lot of bass?
just curious what you did with those low end spikes..... ?
The reason there are spikes in this sample is the repetition of the bassline and drum elements, they don't change. If there was more musical, timbrel variation, then the frequency response would naturally be flatter. In this instance, EQ cutting the dominant frequency elements achieves nothing.
Good video, informative, but please.... SPEAK THE HELL UP!
These pink noise ideas are really interesting. If I have iZotope Insight, can I use that similarly to the analyzer you're using?
awesome use of pink noise to set levels and maximize volume. thanks for the walkthrough.
Is it possible to do this on individual tracks also? like the same approach.
When you mix completely flat like this you run the risk of killing any focus point in the mix. Sure it's balanced and pleasing to the average ear, but it's not properly using your ears to check your mix like this. This method is almost completely based on flat frequency assumption. Yes many tracks are mastered this way, but sometimes a deficient frequency (say 2.8khz is a little lacking) that shouldn't mean instantly add it in.
Match EQ with Pro Q and save time you have it all in one plug in
So many things wrong with this that I don't know where to start.
That's a awesome analyzer. Imma be buying that.
What about the low frequency peaks?
not good
splendid tutorial ..thanks
Someone educate me as to why reducing these "dips" is important?
+SoupCan113 Isn't important, you've to focus in the sound, here sadowick is just trying to achieve a similar sound by taking a reference, (a balance in this case or just experimenting), but the sound of course to be similar or to sound good, depends of a tons of factors. Just remember, there are a tons of factors that make each sound be different to another.
Greetings
Nice...
Thank you!! Nice work!! abracos
do professional producers do this? (In pop and rock ? )
+R RSTU Probably, as they want the mix to sound good in most sound systems.
R RSTU Yes, but without the extreme boosting. To boost an EQ band by 6db with such a narrow Q will cause phase problems. A linier phase EQ would be better.
+Jason Gibbins best thing about the Pro Q2 is that it's linear phase mode is just a mouse click away. I'm sure he'll change it from zero latency to linear phase before he exports.
that would cause an audible change, he might not like it.
NO!
This pink noise thing is shit...For all you would be mixers out there, there is no easy way of mixing. First off if you do not have a great set of ears, work at mc donalds, Try going to an audio engineering school if you want to really no how to mix and master
Ray Dero Did You Work At McDonalds, More So, Go To An Audio Engineering School, Batman 😒
your information is good. I would like to watch more of you... but to be honest I can't. its like falling asleep in math class. the info can help but DAM the teacher has no clue how to make the information LIVE.. so zzzzzzz!