Nice one, Dave. The time and care you put into your videos is much appreciated. I bought this as soon as the email came in from Juno. I've only had a chance to listen to The Musical Box, but was blown away by it (I must have played it loud as I had no problem with the vocals). Shame about Foxtrot, but I do have the large Hatter in top nick.
Glad you appreciated my video and are enjoying your new version of Nursery Cryme. Just wait til you play side two and get to The Return of the Giant Hogweed! You'll need a BIG tractor to combat them, herbicidal battering just won't cut it! ;-)
Hi, Genesis, my best loved band ever since 1978. Watching those different original and reissues, completely unnacessible here in Brazil, is such a pleasure.
Thanks for the review, Dave! Your transparent, non-biased opinions, as well as the detail you go to in your comparisons, puts you at the top of the class as far as UA-cam vinyl reviewers go. You are one of the few who actually has similar likes and dislikes to mine, and whose reviews I know I can bank my purchasing decisions on (which has become very valuable in today’s economic landscape). Please know you are appreciated!
My German First edition on the Philips Label Is my favorite normal Release. It has a depth, a richness of detail and an atmosphere that the UK prints didn't have. Now i must check out the AP 45 rpm. Great video again. Greetings from🇩🇪Manfred.
Totally disagree about the German 1st press , it sounds like a tape copy with the slightly veiled sound that entails compared to a UK 1st press . I was quite disappointed by it actually , considering its reputation amongst some Genesis fans . A UK early pressing is the one to get . Waiting on my Atlantic 75 now .
I have the German Philips Label. The mix is completely different from any Nursery Cryme I've ever heard. Almost bizarre, but then again, there are spots like where the church organ comes crashing through the mix in Musical Box is fantastic and sublime. I haven't heard the Pink label UK yet, but I want too.
Congratulations on your 5k+ subscribers Dave - well deserved. As well as the Nick Davis remix/remaster SACD/CD of this album (which is a totally different beast & therefore not suitable for a like for like comparison), my only vinyl copy was a repress which I bought in 1976 & is on the “small mad hatter” label. My matrix nos are A2/B2 and Discogs seems to indicate the original “mothers” were used for this pressing, but I am not sure if that statement is accurate. I have never thought my copy sounded very good (not a particularly well recorded album IMO) and it has been played to death. Consequently was really looking forward to receiving the AP, Atlantic 75. I received my copy yesterday and was initially somewhat underwhelmed. However, having played it through 5 times my opinion has changed. At lower volumes there is not much difference musically but what struck me immediately was the far greater dynamic range on the AP 45. Like yourself the revelation for me was when I cranked up the 45rpm, then virtually everything sounded better. I found if I upped the volume on my 1976 pressing this quickly became unlistenable - your description of it being “congested” is spot on. Suffice to say I am now loving this latest re-issue and it has none of the blemishes of my 1976 copy. Looking forward to ATOTT next month and just seen they have announced a 50th anniversary issue of TLLDOB. Despite it being a brand new half speed remaster by Miles Showell (his stuff can be a bit hit or miss) & having the bulk of the live concert on the Archive 67-75 box set, think I will have to go for it as it’s my all-time favourite album. Still disappointed Chad plumped for Abacab (one of their worst albums IMO) rather than Wind & Wuthering but at least it will save me some money. Looking forward to hearing your views on ATOTT in due course.
Thanks so much for all this feedback. I know what you mean about Abacab vs W&W. I’d even rather have had &TTW3 or Duke… I’m really not sure about the Lamb. I’m sure I’ll love all the stuff to look at and read, but 1/2 speed Abbey Road…. I just don’t know….
Hi Dave - you delivered again! Was so hoping you would be delivering an early review of this one. I concur that an Aust ‘76 repress that I had was murky as well. I picked up recently very fortunately an original Aus pressing on the Phillips label which definitely has greater clarity. I’ve only had the chance to listen to it once so far but look forward to comparing it to the Atlantic 75. Thanks for your great review on this one 👍
Very enjoyable and informative, as usual. The only vinyl copy I now have is a 2013 half speed master so I’m not able to make any direct comparisons with other copies. At some point I’d like to get an early UK copy and see how they measure up.
Hi Dave - that was very interesting; I've been listening to Nursery Cryme for over 50 years on various LP's and CD's, so of course I was in on the AP double-45. But when it showed up and I put on 'The Musical Box', I was 'What did they do with Peter's vocals???!!'. All the vocals before 'Old King Cole was a merry old soul' sounded so buried in the mix they were almost unintelligible. I thought it might be a defective pressing or something it was so bad, so I contacted AP customer service, and they said they'd send me a replacement LP, which should show up tomorrow, but I'm thinking that it will be the same, that's just how it is. I thought the purpose of these was to sound like the original, but even better in terms of dynamics and clarity; this did not sound like the original (where those early vocals were always as clear as can be) and while the music sounded awesome, the vocals on the first part of 'Musical Box' sounded awful, and I'm not cranking it up to 90 db! The vocals on the rest of the album were not a problem. BTW, I got to see Genesis on the Foxtrot tour when they played in my college gym in Rochester, NY in early '73....
I shared your first impressions for sure. But actually, what I think is happening is we’ve got used to the original’s flattening of the dynamic envelope… I can’t now hear the OG as being clearer, just ‘thicker’, so to speak. As I try to point out in the video: if you can’t / don’t want to turn up the volume then I think the OG will be more suitable to your requirements…
I found the same thing with the AP Selling England 45RPM pressing. It sounded dull, until I turned it WAY up, louder than I play most anything, then it sounded amazing! Blow away really. And it didn't sound too loud either, but the dial was turned further than I usually turn it.
Excellent review! I really appreciate the detailed exposé! I recently bought the Analogue Prod of CSN's 1st LP. I have never found a first US press of CSN in good condition, and had a later pressing (US-circa 70's) that was decent--but it never wow'd me. The Analogue 45 rpm double set of CSN is spectacular! I've used Grado Prestige series headphones (325) and the Totem "Sky" speakers as reference monitors, and the CSN 45 rpm elicits fantastic vocal presence.The clarity and separation between the instruments is also magnificent. It literally feels as if I'm hearing the music for the very first time. I am most curious to check out more of their wares, and truly wish they'd produce Joni Mitchell's "Hissing of Summer Lawns" (even though MoFi is scheduling this in the future as a 'one' step release.)
Hi Ralph, Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed my review. I'd love to see a really good all-analogue reissue of 'Hissing', but also 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter', my other favourite Joni LP from that period... I'm not sure I'll even bother with the MOFI...
@@DaveDenyer, Vinyl Me Please reissued “Hissing” in July. 2x45rpm by Ryan Smith from the original tapes. I have not heard it yet, but what I’ve heard others say is great. Ryan Smith has been knocking it out of the park for them lately, and I really hope VMP carry on for a while. There are a couple available on Discogs from the UK for £39-£45.
@@jeffwhitehead6268yes that’s right, it’s almost like an AP release as it’s AAA, cut by Ryan Smith at 45 like many of the AP releases and probably has a tip on jacket. It’s also quite a bit cheaper. I think a lot of VMP stuff flies under the radar for a lot of people. But they have done quite a lot of decent stuff recently and all analog.
Ah yes, the album that got me into Genesis. And that was off just a standard US CD from the 80s or early 90s (which is, ironically, sitting under the TV as I watch this). One thing that I am curious about is the tape source. As you said (or as I understood it-correct me if I am wrong), that Atlantic 75 edition uses a copy of the master tape sent to Atlantic in the 70s for the US pressing. Originally, Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot were on Buddha over here. (I only have Buddha pressings of Nursery Cryme. They are nothing special.) Those two were later reissued on Atlantic. I wonder if Atlantic got a new copy of the tape from the UK when they took over or if they just got Buddha's copies. Could they have even received copies of Buddha's copies? From your description of this excellent reissue, I doubt it is from a third-generation tape. But the record detective in me is curious, haha. I really have to check this pressing out for the dynamics alone. This is such a dynamic album. I can tolerate the side flipping here. Flipping the record in the middle of Supper's Ready, though? I don't think I can handle that, haha. Tomorrow I am breaking out my Japanese pressing of Lamb for its 50th Anniversary, although the exact release date is disputed.
Hi, that’s a very good point: the Buddha - Atlantic scenario… I don’t know the answer but worth remembering that the ‘Atlantic master’ won’t be the same as the ‘Trident / Charisma’ master…
Well, I am glad the farmgirl finally used some bleach in the laundry ;) Thanks for the review! Sounds like a very good modern reissue of this great Genesis album.
@ thanks! You might have already done a video on this I’m not sure but it would be interesting on your thoughts of the abbey road half speed master of seconds out
@@owenlewis666 I haven't listened to any Genesis Abbey Road Half Speed Masters, but from the various AR HS albums I have heard, they are not generally to my taste.
@@preservedmoose these Atlantic 75th 45rpm reissues were all actually mastered and cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering for Classic Records back in the early 2000s at the same time as the Classic Records 33rpm. Unused, they were recently acquired by Chad Kassem. The only exceptions are Trick of the Tail (not reissued by Classic) and some damaged sides that had to be replaced (SEBTP?). Chris Bellman was again used to newly master and cut Trick, and to cut replacement sides as necessary. I suspect they sound similar, with the Atlantic 75th having the added benefit that 45rpm can bring, and the quieter vinyl that QRP brings to the table.
@@jeffwhitehead6268 thank you for the detailed explanation. Yeah, I was aware of that and have the Classic 33 and AP 45 of Selling England and The Lamb. I was surprised at the difference, particularly on Selling England but also on the bass on The Lamb. However, from Dave’s comments, I have a feeling that the difference will be more subtle on this one (though I don’t know, of course).
Good job, hello from Phoenix. My US Buddha Genesis Live is on pink scroll. Only time I've seen a US pink scroll. Oddly, I have a large Hatter Selling England whose sleeve states" sold under license from Atlantic recording corporation" while the label itself states "exclusively distributed by Buddha Records Inc" with the Buddha logo along the bottom of the label. Kinda weird!
That pressing of Selling England is a record club edition, if I recall correctly. It is definitely sought after by Genesis collectors. I know I have it in my Discogs wantlist, haha. I actually have a pink scroll US Foxtrot, but it is apparently a second pressing. I saw a whole deep-dive on it once. By the time it got released in the US, Charisma had switched to the large hatter. Then they briefly reverted in the US only. Unused stock, perhaps. I have also heard theories that it is a counterfeit made after the switch to Atlantic and posing as unsold deleted Buddha stock. That sounds plausible, too.
Thanks for the comments. If I remember correctly I also once had a pink scroll US Foxtrot (non gatefold?). I’d still go for UK originals of Genesis, just as I’d go for US originals of American artists…
@@buppie2000 it's only a trend I've noticed over the decades: to be specific it's not where the artist is from, it's where the recording, but more specifically the mix and mastering is done... Generally, if a recording was made in the UK, for a UK label, the original master will be used to make distribution and production masters and these copies are what is sent out to the various distributors around the world. The overseas distribution company / label may even make additional mastering choices, sometimes adding more reverb, equalisation, etc. It's certainly not a hard and fast rule, but generally I collect (and prefer) UK originals of, for example, Yes and Genesis, the Beatles etc. and US originals of Dylan, Miles Davis etc (although my copy of Ascenseur Pour L'echafaud is of course the French original on Fontana). Of course, as with pretty much anything , there are plenty of exceptions...
Well done for mentioning cassettes Dave. Nice one. What cassette deck(s) do you have? Think I will stick with my 1970's pressing of Nursery Crimes. Also love " Seconds Out". Keep up the great content.
Hi Nick, I've got two Nakamichis: a BX100e and a model 600. The BX100 sounds notably better than the 600, being about ten years younger, so significant technical advances had been made even though the BX100 was the bottom of the range. Although because it looks so damned cool I've been toying with the idea of getting the 600 'restomodded'.
@DaveDenyer - 2 Naks eh- very nice Dave. Mine are humble in comparison- Yamaha KX 480 & 580, along with a 70's Pioneer and an early TEAC with the central tape door. Still looks cool though I think the days of picking up good decks in charity shops are long long gone. Thanks as always for the great content. If they release "Avalon" on Blu-ray in Dolby Atmos would you do a comparison with the 2003 SACD?
@@nickbitten9910 I did once have a KX-580 (I think it was that model) which was a really nice deck. Younger / newer again than the BX-100e so in all honesty, probably just as good a deck.
Great video. If you could only have one copy, which would it be? I would still take the pink swirl. Even if I went to pull a copy to play, I will still grab my pink swirl. That said, I will keep both.
Fascinating review, Dave. I look forward to receiving mine shortly. Whilst I have a "Pink Scroll" bought new just after release, it suffered the indignity of being heavily played on my Parents' cheapo stereo for the first couple of years before I got into HiFi in the mid 70s. As a result it is not really a good benchmark due to the inevitable groove wear. The later "Small Hatter" that I also have from period is, as you say, lacking in transient stretch and sounds a bit of a muddled mess. Non of this has prevented me from loving the album for over 50 years..............and some intensive listening to the AP 75 is hopefully only a few days away !
I wish I had a ‘bought new’ pink scroll. Sadly I was way too young in ‘71. I played some of my earliest records on some very dubious equipment too. If I remember correctly a Fidelity UA4… The best I could afford as a young teen.
In that case I strongly suspect you'll enjoy the Atlantic 75 Stephen. FWIW, I used to have a US pink label Foxtrot (if I remember correctly). It didn’t sound great...
Nice one, Dave. The time and care you put into your videos is much appreciated. I bought this as soon as the email came in from Juno. I've only had a chance to listen to The Musical Box, but was blown away by it (I must have played it loud as I had no problem with the vocals). Shame about Foxtrot, but I do have the large Hatter in top nick.
Glad you appreciated my video and are enjoying your new version of Nursery Cryme. Just wait til you play side two and get to The Return of the Giant Hogweed! You'll need a BIG tractor to combat them, herbicidal battering just won't cut it! ;-)
@@DaveDenyer Haha! I'll have that image seared into my bonce when I get to it :)
Hi, Genesis, my best loved band ever since 1978. Watching those different original and reissues, completely unnacessible here in Brazil, is such a pleasure.
Glad you enjoyed the video!
Hi Dave. Been ways few of you videos recently and love the style and attention to detail you give. All the best. Dave✅✅
Thanks Dave, very much appreciated.
Thanks for the review, Dave! Your transparent, non-biased opinions, as well as the detail you go to in your comparisons, puts you at the top of the class as far as UA-cam vinyl reviewers go. You are one of the few who actually has similar likes and dislikes to mine, and whose reviews I know I can bank my purchasing decisions on (which has become very valuable in today’s economic landscape). Please know you are appreciated!
I really appreciate that! Thank you Jeff!
My German First edition on the Philips Label Is my favorite normal Release. It has a depth, a richness of detail and an atmosphere that the UK prints didn't have. Now i must check out the AP 45 rpm. Great video again. Greetings from🇩🇪Manfred.
Totally disagree about the German 1st press , it sounds like a tape copy with the slightly veiled sound that entails compared to a UK 1st press . I was quite disappointed by it actually , considering its reputation amongst some Genesis fans .
A UK early pressing is the one to get . Waiting on my Atlantic 75 now .
I've not heard this German pressing. It would be interesting to do so. Thanks for the feedback Manfred.
@@peterlaffey6328 I've not heard it but it would be highly unusual (in my experience) for an overseas release to better the 'home country' release.
I have the German Philips Label. The mix is completely different from any Nursery Cryme I've ever heard. Almost bizarre, but then again, there are spots like where the church organ comes crashing through the mix in Musical Box is fantastic and sublime. I haven't heard the Pink label UK yet, but I want too.
@@maninthemountain I'm intrigued, I definitely need to hear this German release...
Congratulations on your 5k+ subscribers Dave - well deserved. As well as the Nick Davis remix/remaster SACD/CD of this album (which is a totally different beast & therefore not suitable for a like for like comparison), my only vinyl copy was a repress which I bought in 1976 & is on the “small mad hatter” label. My matrix nos are A2/B2 and Discogs seems to indicate the original “mothers” were used for this pressing, but I am not sure if that statement is accurate. I have never thought my copy sounded very good (not a particularly well recorded album IMO) and it has been played to death. Consequently was really looking forward to receiving the AP, Atlantic 75.
I received my copy yesterday and was initially somewhat underwhelmed. However, having played it through 5 times my opinion has changed. At lower volumes there is not much difference musically but what struck me immediately was the far greater dynamic range on the AP 45. Like yourself the revelation for me was when I cranked up the 45rpm, then virtually everything sounded better. I found if I upped the volume on my 1976 pressing this quickly became unlistenable - your description of it being “congested” is spot on. Suffice to say I am now loving this latest re-issue and it has none of the blemishes of my 1976 copy.
Looking forward to ATOTT next month and just seen they have announced a 50th anniversary issue of TLLDOB. Despite it being a brand new half speed remaster by Miles Showell (his stuff can be a bit hit or miss) & having the bulk of the live concert on the Archive 67-75 box set, think I will have to go for it as it’s my all-time favourite album. Still disappointed Chad plumped for Abacab (one of their worst albums IMO) rather than Wind & Wuthering but at least it will save me some money.
Looking forward to hearing your views on ATOTT in due course.
Thanks so much for all this feedback. I know what you mean about Abacab vs W&W. I’d even rather have had &TTW3 or Duke…
I’m really not sure about the Lamb. I’m sure I’ll love all the stuff to look at and read, but 1/2 speed Abbey Road…. I just don’t know….
Going to go for the CD version I think. Can’t justify double the price for the vinyl given the AP 75 version is so good.
Hi Dave - you delivered again! Was so hoping you would be delivering an early review of this one. I concur that an Aust ‘76 repress that I had was murky as well. I picked up recently very fortunately an original Aus pressing on the Phillips label which definitely has greater clarity. I’ve only had the chance to listen to it once so far but look forward to comparing it to the Atlantic 75. Thanks for your great review on this one 👍
Glad you found the review useful John. Not sure I've ever seen an Aussie Phillips before now... I'll have to have a look. 🙂
Many thanks Dave, I love a good shoot out... but this is superb
My pleasure! Thanks for the feedback.
Hi Dave, great video. Thanks Ross
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for the feedback Ross.
Very enjoyable and informative, as usual. The only vinyl copy I now have is a 2013 half speed master so I’m not able to make any direct comparisons with other copies. At some point I’d like to get an early UK copy and see how they measure up.
Glad you enjoyed the review. Thanks for the feedback Robert!
Hi Dave - that was very interesting; I've been listening to Nursery Cryme for over 50 years on various LP's and CD's, so of course I was in on the AP double-45. But when it showed up and I put on 'The Musical Box', I was 'What did they do with Peter's vocals???!!'. All the vocals before 'Old King Cole was a merry old soul' sounded so buried in the mix they were almost unintelligible. I thought it might be a defective pressing or something it was so bad, so I contacted AP customer service, and they said they'd send me a replacement LP, which should show up tomorrow, but I'm thinking that it will be the same, that's just how it is. I thought the purpose of these was to sound like the original, but even better in terms of dynamics and clarity; this did not sound like the original (where those early vocals were always as clear as can be) and while the music sounded awesome, the vocals on the first part of 'Musical Box' sounded awful, and I'm not cranking it up to 90 db! The vocals on the rest of the album were not a problem. BTW, I got to see Genesis on the Foxtrot tour when they played in my college gym in Rochester, NY in early '73....
I shared your first impressions for sure. But actually, what I think is happening is we’ve got used to the original’s flattening of the dynamic envelope…
I can’t now hear the OG as being clearer, just ‘thicker’, so to speak.
As I try to point out in the video: if you can’t / don’t want to turn up the volume then I think the OG will be more suitable to your requirements…
I found the same thing with the AP Selling England 45RPM pressing. It sounded dull, until I turned it WAY up, louder than I play most anything, then it sounded amazing! Blow away really. And it didn't sound too loud either, but the dial was turned further than I usually turn it.
I’m starting to think this is the way we should be enjoying these releases…
Excellent review! I really appreciate the detailed exposé! I recently bought the Analogue Prod of CSN's 1st LP. I have never found a first US press of CSN in good condition, and had a later pressing (US-circa 70's) that was decent--but it never wow'd me. The Analogue 45 rpm double set of CSN is spectacular! I've used Grado Prestige series headphones (325) and the Totem "Sky" speakers as reference monitors, and the CSN 45 rpm elicits fantastic vocal presence.The clarity and separation between the instruments is also magnificent. It literally feels as if I'm hearing the music for the very first time. I am most curious to check out more of their wares, and truly wish they'd produce Joni Mitchell's "Hissing of Summer Lawns" (even though MoFi is scheduling this in the future as a 'one' step release.)
Hi Ralph, Thanks for the feedback. I'm glad you enjoyed my review.
I'd love to see a really good all-analogue reissue of 'Hissing', but also 'Don Juan's Reckless Daughter', my other favourite Joni LP from that period... I'm not sure I'll even bother with the MOFI...
@@ralphsmart2023 not a 45 but the Speakers Corner release is worth getting - mastered by Kevin Gray, if memory serves.
@@DaveDenyer, Vinyl Me Please reissued “Hissing” in July. 2x45rpm by Ryan Smith from the original tapes. I have not heard it yet, but what I’ve heard others say is great. Ryan Smith has been knocking it out of the park for them lately, and I really hope VMP carry on for a while. There are a couple available on Discogs from the UK for £39-£45.
@@jeffwhitehead6268yes that’s right, it’s almost like an AP release as it’s AAA, cut by Ryan Smith at 45 like many of the AP releases and probably has a tip on jacket. It’s also quite a bit cheaper. I think a lot of VMP stuff flies under the radar for a lot of people. But they have done quite a lot of decent stuff recently and all analog.
Ah yes, the album that got me into Genesis. And that was off just a standard US CD from the 80s or early 90s (which is, ironically, sitting under the TV as I watch this).
One thing that I am curious about is the tape source. As you said (or as I understood it-correct me if I am wrong), that Atlantic 75 edition uses a copy of the master tape sent to Atlantic in the 70s for the US pressing. Originally, Nursery Cryme and Foxtrot were on Buddha over here. (I only have Buddha pressings of Nursery Cryme. They are nothing special.) Those two were later reissued on Atlantic. I wonder if Atlantic got a new copy of the tape from the UK when they took over or if they just got Buddha's copies. Could they have even received copies of Buddha's copies? From your description of this excellent reissue, I doubt it is from a third-generation tape. But the record detective in me is curious, haha.
I really have to check this pressing out for the dynamics alone. This is such a dynamic album. I can tolerate the side flipping here. Flipping the record in the middle of Supper's Ready, though? I don't think I can handle that, haha.
Tomorrow I am breaking out my Japanese pressing of Lamb for its 50th Anniversary, although the exact release date is disputed.
Hi, that’s a very good point: the Buddha - Atlantic scenario… I don’t know the answer but worth remembering that the ‘Atlantic master’ won’t be the same as the ‘Trident / Charisma’ master…
Well, I am glad the farmgirl finally used some bleach in the laundry ;)
Thanks for the review! Sounds like a very good modern reissue of this great Genesis album.
My pleasure, thanks for the feedback.
Hi there I am currently watching a pink label version on eBay but it has a small barcode on the back cover so I take it this is also a re release??
Yes, if it has a bar code it is definitely a recent reissue…
@ thanks! You might have already done a video on this I’m not sure but it would be interesting on your thoughts of the abbey road half speed master of seconds out
@@owenlewis666 I haven't listened to any Genesis Abbey Road Half Speed Masters, but from the various AR HS albums I have heard, they are not generally to my taste.
Interesting review - I wonder how it compares to the Classic Records cut by BG.
Good question. I've not heard the CR Genesis reissues. Thanks for the feedback.
@@preservedmoose these Atlantic 75th 45rpm reissues were all actually mastered and cut by Chris Bellman at Bernie Grundman Mastering for Classic Records back in the early 2000s at the same time as the Classic Records 33rpm. Unused, they were recently acquired by Chad Kassem. The only exceptions are Trick of the Tail (not reissued by Classic) and some damaged sides that had to be replaced (SEBTP?). Chris Bellman was again used to newly master and cut Trick, and to cut replacement sides as necessary.
I suspect they sound similar, with the Atlantic 75th having the added benefit that 45rpm can bring, and the quieter vinyl that QRP brings to the table.
@@jeffwhitehead6268 thank you for the detailed explanation. Yeah, I was aware of that and have the Classic 33 and AP 45 of Selling England and The Lamb. I was surprised at the difference, particularly on Selling England but also on the bass on The Lamb. However, from Dave’s comments, I have a feeling that the difference will be more subtle on this one (though I don’t know, of course).
Good job, hello from Phoenix. My US Buddha Genesis Live is on pink scroll. Only time I've seen a US pink scroll. Oddly, I have a large Hatter Selling England whose sleeve states" sold under license from Atlantic recording corporation" while the label itself states "exclusively distributed by Buddha Records Inc" with the Buddha logo along the bottom of the label. Kinda weird!
That pressing of Selling England is a record club edition, if I recall correctly. It is definitely sought after by Genesis collectors. I know I have it in my Discogs wantlist, haha.
I actually have a pink scroll US Foxtrot, but it is apparently a second pressing. I saw a whole deep-dive on it once. By the time it got released in the US, Charisma had switched to the large hatter. Then they briefly reverted in the US only. Unused stock, perhaps. I have also heard theories that it is a counterfeit made after the switch to Atlantic and posing as unsold deleted Buddha stock. That sounds plausible, too.
Thanks for the comments. If I remember correctly I also once had a pink scroll US Foxtrot (non gatefold?). I’d still go for UK originals of Genesis, just as I’d go for US originals of American artists…
@@DaveDenyer That makes no sense to me. So, only Italian pressings for Italian opera and Spanish pressings for Segovia?
@@buppie2000 it's only a trend I've noticed over the decades: to be specific it's not where the artist is from, it's where the recording, but more specifically the mix and mastering is done...
Generally, if a recording was made in the UK, for a UK label, the original master will be used to make distribution and production masters and these copies are what is sent out to the various distributors around the world. The overseas distribution company / label may even make additional mastering choices, sometimes adding more reverb, equalisation, etc.
It's certainly not a hard and fast rule, but generally I collect (and prefer) UK originals of, for example, Yes and Genesis, the Beatles etc. and US originals of Dylan, Miles Davis etc (although my copy of Ascenseur Pour L'echafaud is of course the French original on Fontana).
Of course, as with pretty much anything , there are plenty of exceptions...
@@DaveDenyer Hey, just playing with ya, buddy! I mostly agree. Fun channel. Carry on!
Well done for mentioning cassettes Dave. Nice one. What cassette deck(s) do you have?
Think I will stick with my 1970's pressing of Nursery Crimes. Also love " Seconds Out".
Keep up the great content.
Hi Nick, I've got two Nakamichis: a BX100e and a model 600. The BX100 sounds notably better than the 600, being about ten years younger, so significant technical advances had been made even though the BX100 was the bottom of the range. Although because it looks so damned cool I've been toying with the idea of getting the 600 'restomodded'.
@DaveDenyer - 2 Naks eh- very nice Dave. Mine are humble in comparison- Yamaha KX 480 & 580, along with a 70's Pioneer and an early TEAC with the central tape door. Still looks cool though
I think the days of picking up good decks in charity shops are long long gone. Thanks as always for the great content.
If they release "Avalon" on Blu-ray in Dolby Atmos would you do a comparison with the 2003 SACD?
@@nickbitten9910 I did once have a KX-580 (I think it was that model) which was a really nice deck. Younger / newer again than the BX-100e so in all honesty, probably just as good a deck.
@@DaveDenyer - many thanks Dave.
Great video. If you could only have one copy, which would it be? I would still take the pink swirl. Even if I went to pull a copy to play, I will still grab my pink swirl. That said, I will keep both.
Great question: If I could have only one, it would be my UK original (pink scroll). It took me perhaps thirty years to find.
Fascinating review, Dave. I look forward to receiving mine shortly. Whilst I have a "Pink Scroll" bought new just after release, it suffered the indignity of being heavily played on my Parents' cheapo stereo for the first couple of years before I got into HiFi in the mid 70s. As a result it is not really a good benchmark due to the inevitable groove wear. The later "Small Hatter" that I also have from period is, as you say, lacking in transient stretch and sounds a bit of a muddled mess. Non of this has prevented me from loving the album for over 50 years..............and some intensive listening to the AP 75 is hopefully only a few days away !
I wish I had a ‘bought new’ pink scroll. Sadly I was way too young in ‘71.
I played some of my earliest records on some very dubious equipment too. If I remember correctly a Fidelity UA4… The best I could afford as a young teen.
I have a mid seventies uk pressings and a USA Buddha with a single sleeve. Unfortunately they both sound rather muddy.
In that case I strongly suspect you'll enjoy the Atlantic 75 Stephen. FWIW, I used to have a US pink label Foxtrot (if I remember correctly). It didn’t sound great...
The pink scroll is my holy grail album. I found a copy, but it was badly scratched it's the only one of all my genesis albums thats not original
I really do hope you find a good condition pink scroll copy Peter!