Dire Straits & Miles Davis: MOFI & Rhino Audiophile LP reissues: One is as good as the other is bad!

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  • Опубліковано 22 лис 2024

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  • @kieronkelly959
    @kieronkelly959 25 днів тому +7

    I’ve sold all the Mofi Dire Straits off. Replace the self titled with UK 1st pressing and Australian Maxicut pressings of Communique, Making Movies & Love Over Gold which all destroy the Mofi’s. Great review as always Dave!

  • @MaxellAdGuy
    @MaxellAdGuy 25 днів тому +5

    Dave, I wish you were local, I'd invite you over! Thank you again for exposing inferior reissues, so we save our money! Not enough channels do this, imho.

    • @Groover71
      @Groover71 25 днів тому

      Apparently you don’t have your own ears. Sheep.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      Haha! Thanks for your kind words!

  • @martinblixt944
    @martinblixt944 24 дні тому +3

    Interesting review. Personally i really like the Mofi DS releases. So much that I´ve moved the OGs I own out of my listening room. This one, I didn´t have as an OG, so out of curiosity I bought a UK 1st press on Discogs to compare. I bought the RL/RL version. Keep posting your reviews, somteimes I agree sometimes not. It is always worth the time though. 🙂

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  24 дні тому +1

      Hi Martin, glad you like the MOFI DS… I would definitely keep it if I didn’t have another copy already.
      I always try to explain ‘why’ I like / dislike something because music appreciation is so utterly subjective.
      I can clearly hear and appreciate the additional focus, control etc of the MOFI, I just value other traits (particularly of the Japanese OG) more…

  • @thomashertl3037
    @thomashertl3037 23 дні тому +3

    Many thanks. The DS comparison met my foremost interest. I had the 2009 Rhino and the MoFi 45. The MoFi fell so short of the Rhino due to its unnatural digitally fiddled sound that it’s gone by now. Interested in how the Rhino compares to the Japanese version.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  23 дні тому +2

      Thanks for the feedback Thomas.

  • @NWHiker5836
    @NWHiker5836 25 днів тому +3

    It would be great to see what your gear setup is for your listening room/area - I always love to see what gear folks are using. It's such a big world of hifi gear out there!
    I always appreciate the comments you havw on LPs. I ordered a couple Rhino hifi's and look forward to hearing them.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      Thanks for your comments. I did do a video covering my hifi system: ua-cam.com/video/VH_AbhDi_iY/v-deo.htmlsi=_Lu5q11lOulMxhkc
      I shall probably do another update sometime in the future, should anything change.

  • @tokioPK
    @tokioPK 25 днів тому +2

    What a damning (Mofi) review Dave! and have to take it seriously coming from you as we know you don't f-around about your listening, and neither do you have any axes to grind. even more surprising was the positive talk about the japan press, as we usually avoid most japan presses of rock in japan like the plague, they're often engineered compressed boxed up sound to avoid the neighbours being alarmed by sudden loud symbals of pink floyd. I see a mint copy of it fgoing or $30, might have to test your theories about the Mofi's going 'lifeless' - I only have these dire straits on mofi 45s

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      I do appreciate we all hear differently, but for $30 I’d certainly suggest you try that Japanese OG. I’d be very interested to hear what you think.

  • @vvmmuu
    @vvmmuu 24 дні тому +1

    My first set of speakers in 1975 were celestion ditton 25's, my uncle told me in the listening room that the 66's were a better speaker, but he understood my choice as I liked loud rock music. ALL the best.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  24 дні тому +1

      All the way through the 1980s we used to get people coming up to us at hifi shows saying "the Ditton 66 was the best'... Happy memories 🙂

  • @scottspinner1
    @scottspinner1 22 дні тому +1

    Nice one Dave. Tutu got me in to miles proper when it came out. The reissue is excellent been out six months now. But definitely great

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  21 день тому

      Thanks for the feedback George!

  • @robertnitsche8410
    @robertnitsche8410 22 дні тому +1

    I have a first pressing at RTI Mofi Love Over Gold, and afer DSD gate, they added 1/2" 30 ips to 256 DSD on the website, nothing about DXD Plangent processing. I bought it before DSD gate, and really liked its dynamics and clarity. It was marginally superior to my US first pressing Bob Ludwig master. The big problem is the RTI vinyl is noisy as hell, and Music Direct wouldn't take it back when I mentioned i'd ultrasonically cleaned it to try and clear it up, it didn't. So I my go became the OG RL, until I happened across a Quiex II Love Over Gold Promo album. Holy cow, it blows away every version i've heard, and is now one of my system demo albums.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  22 дні тому

      Interesting… Is this Quiex II version a completely different, pre-DSD release?

    • @robertnitsche8410
      @robertnitsche8410 22 дні тому +1

      @@DaveDenyer It's a different pressing altogether, not by Mobile Fidelity.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  22 дні тому

      @@robertnitsche8410 I’m intrigued. Will try to find a copy. Do share any other identifying info you can…

  • @revelry1969
    @revelry1969 25 днів тому +1

    Yes I thoroughly agree the rhino hifi are so difficult to get in and out. The sound of these disks is very very good. I suggest the ZZ Top presses as well. The mofi…just get an OG pressing they are very available. My understanding is the plangent process is done while they are playing the tape. They have special heads that do D/A PCM DXD. This allows the calculations to fix the wow and flutter, speed issues from the original tape. DSD is most different than PCM. DSD sounds almost exactly like the source. I record all my vinyl to DSD. PCM flattens the sound stage. If you have a DSD capable DAC I can share a few files with you. Thanks Dave! Like always. Great video. I have quite a few great Japanese pressings from the 70s and 80s. My Santana III is absolutely amazing. I think the plangent process adds an audible change. In general the DSD cuts of mofi are like watching something in 4K resolution. It’s like watching a movie from the 80s in 4K the special effects don’t seem real. I am torn. I think nearly all the time the OG beats any of these modern represses. But I do like the mofi cuts for the detail and clarity. I am not sure what they do…but they really really get all the absolute details which may have a downside of removing some “life “

    • @Gma7788
      @Gma7788 25 днів тому

      What are you talking about?
      1 speaker 🔊 version?
      2 speakers?
      3 speakers surround?
      5 speakers surround?
      Etc...
      Some receivers have more than 7 surround sounds.
      Then there's various brands of receivers...
      So in 2024, 1 vinyl record can do over a billion different sonic versions when you add up all the different brands of equipment and various surround sounds.
      You say sound stage but there 5 million of them in 2024 from 1 vinyl record.
      You were supposed to be buying in multiple quantities.
      Anyone in 2024 that refers back to the UK 🇬🇧 original has NO CLUE what they're talking about.
      Again WE'LL POINT OUT TO YOU that you don't realise there's millions of sound stages in home music equipment industry.
      There's 50 years worth of various machines that play music.
      Are you referring to pioneer, sansui, marantz, etc... from what decade?
      360 sound?
      Delayed?
      Reverberation?
      Panning??
      What's happening in 7 speakers with 2 subwoofers and roof firing sound???
      What does marantz do with it?
      What does Sony do with it??
      What does Sony 1990 do with it??
      What does pioneer elite 2011 do with your record??
      What does the small brother pioneer of 2011 do with this??
      What does bookshelf speakers of 2000 era do with your record???
      You don't realise the world has moved on from the 1980's.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      I like your analog of watching an 80s movie in 4k… how all the effects seem false…
      Thanks for the info re Plangent, DSD etc.

  • @VinylAus
    @VinylAus 25 днів тому +1

    Hi Dave, the Quiex II promo Love Over Gold mastered by RL cut by BK (US first) is thrilling and has noticeably more ‘slam’ on the big dynamic changes (eg on Telegraph Road passage changes) in comparison to my UK first. I suggest you try it if you really love this album. Hard to find in NM condition but they’re out there. Great vid! Bland audiophile mofi strikes again! 😂

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      Thanks for the recommendation. I'll try and find a copy of that Quiet cut.

  • @ianmelville452
    @ianmelville452 24 дні тому +1

    Another quality review, thanks Dave. By the way do you get your Rhino HiFis from Rhino in the USA or do you have a UK supplier?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  24 дні тому

      Glad you appreciate the video Ian. I've only bought two Rhino HiFi records to date: the Yes - Relayer I bought direct, Tutu I bought from Acoustic Sounds, so both 'direct' from the US.

    • @ianmelville452
      @ianmelville452 24 дні тому

      @@DaveDenyer I got the first Cars album Rhino Hifi via the "Dig!" store which appears to be a UK based Warner Music online store but they don't seem to be stocking any of the RHF after that. I asked them and just got some corporate nonsense but no answers.

  • @jamesmilton-willmott7593
    @jamesmilton-willmott7593 25 днів тому +3

    Will you be reviewing Atlantic 75 Velvet Underground Loaded? I think it's absolutely incredible! I didn't think it would be possible to get an audiophile VU album but I guess the loaded album is the best recorded and getting the acoustic sounds treatment on this record has made this record sound better than ever. I have an original U.S. Cotillion pressing which sounds fantastic but the new A75 blows it out the water. I would love to hear your opinion.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      Hi James, to be honest VU aren’t my favourite band. I can’t afford everything, so didn’t buy this album.

  • @4p-is-3
    @4p-is-3 25 днів тому +2

    I would love an alt version of Tutu with all that 80’s drum machine and synth stripped out. Miles plays beautifully of course but..
    Amazing cover nonetheless!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      Compared with so many, I think Miles dealt with the 1989s with impeccable style!

    • @KRAZEEIZATION
      @KRAZEEIZATION 20 днів тому +1

      Markus Miller programmed the tracks and its very click clack. It was Miles first WB album in 1986.

  • @latheofheaven
    @latheofheaven 25 днів тому +1

    Oh yes... The Rhino TuTu sounds absolutely lovely! Miles fans may scoff at the electric drums or whatever, but who cares... It sounds bloody amazing! FWIW, I've found the Rhinos and AP 75's that I've bought so far are quite excellent! Especially the Rhino Cars S/T and the AP Stone Temple Pilots Core 2-45 pressing.
    BTW Dave... Have you listened to your 1-Step of Meteora yet... Since you are sitting down I cannot tell, but if your pants are still on, then I'd say no... If you pants have been blasted clean off, THEN I'd say you likely have listened to it... 😁

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      LOL Meteroa is still in the ‘in pile’. I’ll get around to it soon.

  • @ergloo6660
    @ergloo6660 26 днів тому +4

    I have to agree with your comments. I have 2 UK 1st releases both are "masterdisk" but one is mastered by Robert Ludwig, the other by Howie Weinberg they are very different, the Bob Ludwig version is much more "alive & vibrant", I also have the 2019 45RPM numbered release. In my listening room & system (cart is Lyra Atlas) to my ears the the RL is way the best the MOFI is "sanitised and lifeless" I tend to find that most MOFI's have this lifeless tone/sound so I very rarely now buy MOFI's as just don't like them.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  26 днів тому +1

      "sanitised and lifeless" sums it up perfectly. I am finding that more and more in the MOFI catalogue, and most of what comes out of Abbey Road too, to be honest.

    • @latheofheaven
      @latheofheaven 25 днів тому +1

      @@DaveDenyer Please don't mention 'Abbey Road', or we may have to get a little rough with you...

    • @Groover71
      @Groover71 25 днів тому +1

      @@DaveDenyernah that’s just yours and the other guy’s confirmation bias. You know Mofi is DSD on wax and you think it sounds “lifeless” when in reality their Miles Davis releases, for example, are considered reference quality. As are their Dire Straits and many others. Time to move on from the Mofi bashing. It’s gotten so stale.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      @@Groover71I am very aware that the Miles Davis MOFIs are highly regarded, as are the Dire Straits by many (including some of my friends). I try to be as honest and open as possible. If most people think something, it doesn’t make it fact. Most of my Miles Davis are OGs, although I do have the MOFI Bitches Brew - I don’t find it hugely inspiring..

  • @simondepass4647
    @simondepass4647 26 днів тому +1

    Hi Dave, when the MoFi came out about 3 years ago most people raved about it including me. I also have an original Australian pressing which is not in great condition. I have German pressing as well which was done in I think 2010. Out of my three the MoFi is by far the best. Haven’t played them on my new deck and cartridge yet which I should do soon I guess. Anyway interesting findings and great video as always.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  26 днів тому +4

      Hi Simon, I was aware of the praise these MOFIs were getting so had high hopes for this one. And with it being repressed, seemed like the ideal opportunity to dive in.
      I can only report on what I hear. For me emotion, flow and a real musical connection will always win over ‘clarity’. I can well imagine many people will like the MOFI, but it’s not for me.

    • @tokioPK
      @tokioPK 25 днів тому +1

      @@DaveDenyer I've never owned this album before, until the Mofi, thus hard to compare it vs you've known this album thru your life essentially

  • @paulhallford1904
    @paulhallford1904 25 днів тому +1

    Morning I hope everyone is safe and well 😁 do you have a mofi love over gold pressed at rti to compare? Love the channel 😁 stay safe everyone 😁

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      Hi Paul, good question, but no I don’t.

    • @paulhallford1904
      @paulhallford1904 25 днів тому +1

      Not trying to defend mofi but I assume that like a new kitchen the food tastes not it's best until the equipment settles and breaks in maybe it's the same for a pressing plant, speaking of which how is the newish one in Middlesbrough doing?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  24 дні тому +1

      @@paulhallford1904 I agree with your kitchen analogy. I wouldn't write FRP off over this. The vinyl itself was flat, which is one thing... I do suspect the sonic aspects are down to MOFI's process and mastering. I think I can see what they're going for (same as Miles Showell), personally, I just think they're misguided in that aim.
      I've not tried anything from the new plant, Press On Vinyl, yet.

  • @KRAZEEIZATION
    @KRAZEEIZATION 20 днів тому +1

    I have the LOG and it’s no different than a CD, very clean and sterile for vinyl.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  20 днів тому

      I've not got it on CD but can imagine what you say to be true.

    • @KRAZEEIZATION
      @KRAZEEIZATION 19 днів тому +1

      @ I also don’t like the MOFI writing on the front of the sleeve, sleeves are too thick and crack. A waste of time and money.

  • @classicrock7890
    @classicrock7890 26 днів тому +1

    Have you tried the BG/CB cut which first came out on Warner in 2009? Also used for more recent Vertigo reissues. Maybe closer to the sound of that Japanese pressing from your description. I do think the Mo-Fi sounds good but it's not the best.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  26 днів тому

      Hi, no, I've note heard that version to be honest. I do think the MOFI sounds OK, in isolation, but compared to any of the others it just doesn't do it, for me...

  • @Fontsman-14
    @Fontsman-14 25 днів тому +2

    I have an original pressing of Tutu. I think it's very much of it's time as regards production and sound. I must admit, I prefer Decoy from that period.

    • @simonhodgetts6530
      @simonhodgetts6530 25 днів тому

      Me too - Decoy is a great record!

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      I don’t have Decoy. I’d better find a copy!

    • @Fontsman-14
      @Fontsman-14 25 днів тому +1

      @DaveDenyer It's a lot funkier than Tutu. Schofield and Marsalis really rip on it.

  • @BowieorBolan
    @BowieorBolan 25 днів тому +1

    Another very honest & in depth review Dave, thanks. I commented in your video for the MOFI On Every Street album, suggesting you “try before you buy” on the first 4 DS MOFI re-issues as they are so different to the UK originals & will not be to everyone’s taste. My MOFI was pressed at RTI but would not expect there to be much of a difference to one pressed at their new plant. I am in a similar position to you in that my RL mastered OG has been played to death and is not the cleanest, so do go to my MOFI copy sometimes, but it’s not a pressing I can sit down & critically listen to. I do have friends though that actually prefer the MOFI.
    These videos are invaluable to those of us seeking the best sounding versions of albums so keep them coming if you can Dave. Based on this review, I would suggest you steer well clear of the first 3 DS MOFIs, especially Making Movies as the UK OGs have far more life in them.

    • @Gma7788
      @Gma7788 25 днів тому

      No.
      Nobody knows what's going on today.
      These new reissues could be designed for 7 speakers and beyond.
      You guys don't even mention WHAT you're listening too.
      Stereo is nothing like 5 speakers 🔊 surround.
      You're comments are unacceptable in 2024.
      There's 5 decades worth of music receivers.
      Sound stage is 360 degrees now and has been since the late 80s.

    • @BowieorBolan
      @BowieorBolan 25 днів тому

      Think you’ve replied to the wrong comment here.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      Thanks for this valuable feedback. That’s it for me & DS MOFIs now. I shan’t buy any more of them.

  • @Plextortion
    @Plextortion 25 днів тому +2

    No more 45's for me period, no matter who makes them. I'm waiting on the last two Steely Dan to come out from Analogue Productions, Katy Lied then The Royal Scam, then I'm done, 33's from here on out.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      It’s an interesting topic. I’m very much enjoying the Atlantic 75s, and many of the UHQRs, but generally just don’t bother with 45rpm.

  • @papoosee
    @papoosee 25 днів тому +1

    Very disappointed in using Optimal to press these. I’ve had many issues with warping, no fill, scratches, but mainly warping. Almost all of copies are warped

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      Thanks for sharing this information. To be honest I’ve had most warp-issues from RTI pressed ‘Supervinyl’.

    • @papoosee
      @papoosee 24 дні тому +1

      @@DaveDenyeragreed. RTI is pretty trash too. Best record plant is Record Industry that MOV uses.

  • @trob9794
    @trob9794 25 днів тому +1

    Did this exercise pique your interest in obtaining original Japanese pressings of the other Dire Straits albums?

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      I have a Japanese Communique, which also sounds superb.

  • @markorchard2272
    @markorchard2272 25 днів тому +1

    Many reviews and comments strike me as exactly like those made up to the 'MOFI scandal'.... be careful about being too effusive.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому

      I didn’t spend $60 on this MOFI expecting it to not be to my taste. The Rhino Tutu sounds better than my OG, the MOFI doesn’t. I just try to tell it as I hear it…

  • @TrudyTrew
    @TrudyTrew 23 дні тому +1

    Why buy digital lps? Digitised audio may as well be played on CD or similar. I think vinylised digital "remasterings " are a scam.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  23 дні тому

      Because sometimes the vinyl version sounds significantly better than the CD. If I find that the CD is the best sounding version, then I'll say so (eg. check out my Tori Amos - Scarlett's Walk video).

    • @TrudyTrew
      @TrudyTrew 23 дні тому +1

      @DaveDenyer I see your point Dave, but this shouldn't happen (ie in a perfect world).

  • @thetapeshack2595
    @thetapeshack2595 25 днів тому +5

    I heard MOFI digitise everything first so for that reason I'm never going to buy their stuff.

    • @paulb4661
      @paulb4661 25 днів тому +5

      They do, but funnily enough, no golden ear noticed, until one of theirs mentioned it.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      They seem to these days. They’ve always had ‘a sound’ maybe me and others got this confused with the ‘DSD-Step’…

  • @pauldavidartistclub6723
    @pauldavidartistclub6723 17 днів тому

    Since Marvel Comics hasn’t produced anything of worth since the early-mid 1980’s: the Byrne FF/Miller-Mazzuchelli DD/Simonson Thor/Claremont-Sienkiewicz New Mutants/early Starlin Metamorphosis Odyssey era , and that includes the awful Infinity Gauntlet, the Ultimates, New Guardians, Armageddon, et al, why on earth anyone would pay attention to their paper product of the past four decades as inspiration for their screen product is beyond me. By the late 1980’s and absolutely by the 90’s Marvel had become the laughing stock of anyone who cared about the comics medium. It’s a shame the movies and TV shows brought back a (thin) veneer of respectability to the company, but in an ironic twist, however entertaining at least a few (not many!!!) of the early Marvel movies were, whichever studio made them, the cinematic universe took the same steep downhill trajectory as the comics had done.

    • @pauldavidartistclub6723
      @pauldavidartistclub6723 17 днів тому

      Well, I guess the best of Marvel was the Aaron-Ribic Thor, but mostly for the glorious art, it was a torture to read.Doctor Strange also had a bit of good art a while back, and the Richard Corben Hulk was nice. The Alex Ross FF book was at least a good try to recapture old magic, but that’s all it was, and Mignola somewhat caught the old Lee-Kirby spirit a lot better in Hellboy.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  15 днів тому

      Interesting…
      You’ll always find analog within an analogy! 😉

  • @Gma7788
    @Gma7788 25 днів тому +2

    Well who are you talking to with this approach?
    We've gone way beyond stereo now.
    We're up to 9 speakers now.
    There's 5 decades worth of equipment to try.
    There's 8 billion sonic experiences to buy and try from numerous brands of manufacturers.
    That's just from 1 recording.
    The error is with YOU and your understanding of what's going on out there in the world 🌎
    What are you talking about??
    Today with 7 speakers 🔊 there's 360 degree sound stages.
    Where is this bass sound coming from?
    The roof speakers?
    The marantz?
    The pioneer from 2011??
    Where is this layering?
    Are you using 3 receivers simultaneously???

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      I use two speakers: Kerr Acoustic K100 full range studio monitors as it happens. My favorite music generally comes from the 1950s - 1980s. It was almost always made for stereo. I guess it’d horrify you that I have a dedicated mono cartridge / tonearm for those 50s / 60s monos. Often they are the best sounding versions.

  • @davepounds8924
    @davepounds8924 25 днів тому +4

    I know you’re a audiophile channel but watching you showing copy after copy of the same record comparing minute differences must be tiring Wouldn’t you rather spend the money on records you don’t own instead of paying money for the 6th copy of a record you have already?? Just wondering!!!

    • @Gma7788
      @Gma7788 25 днів тому +4

      No.
      Your way of thinking about this is really old fashioned.
      We've gone beyond having single copies of music.
      Today, we have receivers that produce numerous surrounding sounds.
      Only receiver manufacturers know what they've done to recordings and surround sounds.
      We have to try these sounds to find out what they are.

    • @danielwalsh7538
      @danielwalsh7538 25 днів тому +1

      Great review well done keep up the good work,please can you tell me the inners you are using thanks

    • @jakedavis2838
      @jakedavis2838 25 днів тому +1

      I agree. It’s kind of weird.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +3

      Hi Dave, for forty years or so I’ve worked in the hifi biz. Getting the best possible sound is in my bones.

    • @DaveDenyer
      @DaveDenyer  25 днів тому +1

      @@danielwalsh7538Those on the records in this video are from Sleeve City, I think. PVF (Perfect Vinyl Forever) sent me a bunch of them recently.