Sadly, the UK is lost. Democracy is dead and we are witnessing the demise of Western civilization, all aided and abetted by a compliant population. Being true to yourself and your principles is the way to go, but it will come at an increasingly higher cost until all comply. I fear for my children and grandchildren.
The demise of Western civilization is a direct consequence of the destruction of national identity, the advance of the so-called civil society., which is a euphemism for Globalist socialism, open borders, and migrations from poor regions
@@larrypovey3302 Hitchin’s choice was his alone, as was everyone else’s, informed by his own research based on his health and age, not the wish to endorse the government. A debate isn’t about a wholehearted dismissal of everything your opponent does. It’s about a reasoned reasonable position based on the available facts. A position on each point of debate. His position on the vaccine was to accept it’s positive benefits for his own wellbeing. That the general population didn’t make an informed choice and were coerced into the jab is a reasonable point to debate.
Problem is, once you give your government the authority to jab you, there is no end to that power. This is what happens when people don't study history, Nuremberg trials!!!!
Peter is right more often than not and I think he's spot on in his assessment of why worthwhile people don't go in to politics. To the best politicians going into politics was a vocation and not a career choice. That's been completely reversed now.
For vocation read career then advancement within it as the new motivation in every former respectable profession. The best opt out any way they can from the dross that’s now deemed acceptable to promote upwards. Where we once had a one or at the most a few irritating jobs worth’s they’re now the dominant force. Productivity? Down. And that’s why moral is so low. Purpose? Gone. The only value given to promoting oneself way beyond one’s merit. Welcome to a progressive descent to the bottom. Society is no more, said Thatcher, proclaiming it was now the individual and their family. The true rot began with free markets and the illusion of levelling up.
In the 80s I read a Harvard business review and it said we were heading for a leadership crises. It said it could take 20 to 30 years to see it. Well we are there. This mess is created by incompetent people who should not be in the positions they are in. But I still have faith in the few strong ethical intelligent people stepping out trying to make a difference.
Doctors also can stop committing crimes against humanity. Teachers can stop being propagandists, journalists can do the truth for once, police could investigate criminals in power….buddy society has been corrupted to its core.
Everyone seems to skirt around the one issue and that is of violence. Violence in and of itself is not unintelligent, it is the last resort of intelligence. The objective of War is Peace but with a change in the Balance of Power. In my opinion, violence is inevitable.
@@ms-jl6dl That is a very simplistic answer. It was the pressure from America and the crippling debts of the Second WW that led to Britain abandoning its Empire. Civil disobedience was but a part of the pressure.
@@ms-jl6dl It has been said that Gandhi only succeeded because his opponent (sometimes) embodied civilized standards. Gandhi's peaceful approach would not have been successful in China or North Korea today.
‘No one can get up much enthusiasm for a Government which puts you in jail if you open your mouth’ ‘What is needed is the right to print what one believes to be true, without having to fear bullying or blackmail from any side.’ George Orwell quotes about freedom
Spent Xmas with my family including all grandchildren of all ages I adore them and wouldn't change this day for anything and I would never expect them to take experimental vaccines to save me never ..
When are you guys going to attack the subjects that matter? Wallowing in this covid love affair is pathetic. Civilization is not under threat of a disease. The corruption of the so-called democratic system is where the problem lies. It is time for politics to evolve!
Once I believed a people with free speech and the right to vote would find the right path forward. I now think that expecting sanity from the broader public is futile. The past two years have helped bring that home to me. All I can do is cling to my autonomy, which is the right path forward for the self.
It's not that they are insane. Mainly, they are busy living their lives and don't want to spend their free time too much on politics. We can - and must - believe in the people.
@@sarahloffler middle and lower class men (99.999%) have no voice in this discussion, lest we be titled fascist and arrested for it. Just look at how the union protest was reported and policed. If you want to fight, protest against the cult of your harpy sisters, feminism, who created ALL of this victimhood profiteering. Otherwise, just admit you lack the courage, just like the rest of the cowards, that hide under their bed from a cold. You have the privilage of not being persecuted as a man for speaking up, you can either use it, or lose it. Up to you.
@@sarahloffler a shame you ladies killed the heroism of men by incessantly calling them villians for the last 100 years. I would love to see a woman stand up for everyone, as opposed to anyone but men. I'll believe it when I see it.
@@lostidles That's the only sane excuse that I can give them. Especially with all those face recognition softwares and cameras, and people filming you with their phones.
30 plus years ago I thought Peter Hitchens was a fool spouting a load of rubbish. Now I am older and wiser I see he is a beacon of common sense. Shame we have so few of them in our country.
@gewloom sre ah cut him some slack. His son lives in the states I believe; he just wanted to see his child. He's been one of the few sane voices in the media over this coof madness and gets my respect.
"Healthy people are those who live in healthy homes on a healthy diet; in an environment equally fit for birth, growth, work, healing, and dying... Healthy people need no bureaucratic interference to mate, give birth, share the human condition and die. " - Ivan Dominic Illich
I never understood the argument that trading with China would weaken the communist regime and make the country more open and free. It's akin to believing that having an intimate relationship with a syphilitic will somehow end up curing the disease. Dictatorial regimes do not fall during good times. They end up in worst of times, as my native Eastern Europe has witnessed in late 80s.
Western politicians made china, money, money, money, Thats what politicians are in politics for. And the girls are just as bad as the boys, their Motto should be, I came in to politics, to have access to plenty of money,
That one I can explain from the perspective of the anglo-american establishment, uniparty, Cathedral, pick your way to describe the group that had power from the 1980s until about 2008. As an aside somewhere around 2008 either some portion of that group switched out for another group which changed the goals of the group or the group itself changed its goals somewhat. I am not saying that many of the policies that have brought us to where we are are new, just that there were some changes in the power paradigm around that time. From the perspective of the elite they thought they had identified a correlation between per capita GDP and individual political sovereignty. They 100% believed that by increasing the relative wealth of the average Chinese citizen they were placing pressure on the Chinese system which would force the Chinese government to acknowledge increasing sovereignty of its citizens which has traditionally been made manifest in the form of improved private property rights as well as increasing political and economic liberalization and openness. I'm very serious, they thought making the Chinese rich would hurt them. Yes, I am aware that there are multiple large-scale examples in the past which demonstrate that idea to be wrong. They were aware of that as well and handwaved them away has either outliers or special cases. There was also a significant chunk of personal interest involved where lots of folks thought they could make a lot of money and the process of the Chinese getting rich, I am aware that that played a role in their calculus but their publications don't talk about how much that played a role, reading between the lines I asked made it was a large role but not the dominant one. Additionally, from their perspective, if they could get rich while hurting the Chinese what's the problem. Just in case someone reading this is curious my assessment is that they inverted cause and effect. Individual sovereignty, or more specifically private property rights and free exchange of goods and services between individuals, leads to a decrease in political power as more and more people just demand to be left alone, in an environment where being left alone by the government appears to be the path to greater wealth and prosperity. Making the government's the path to wealth and prosperity, which is what was done in the case of China, just increases the power of the government. Side note, I think that a portion of that 2008 sea change in the West was the elite learning the wrong lesson, overcorrecting, and developing a belief that if China can be both rich and centrally powerful they can do the same without understanding that a substantial portion of China's wealth and power are fictitious and that the society undergirding the wealth and power are so radically different that tactics and techniques used in China are very likely to cause violent pushback in the West from populations which are used to a much greater degree of political sovereignty. Following that if they are able to clamp down on the demands for political sovereignty the damage it will cause to individual incentive modeling is such that it will cost the West its prosperity.
*“Can you cite one speck of hard evidence of the benefits of "diversity" that we have heard gushed about for years? Evidence of its harm can be seen - written in blood - from Iraq to India, from Serbia to Sudan, from Fiji to the Philippines. It is scary how easily so many people can be brainwashed by sheer repetition of a word.”* ― Thomas Sowell
Diversity read division thats what it has always been about , so called anti-vaxxers will be the new jews, if the msm have their way. Its a tried and tested program, and that train is never late.
I have said this for a decade or more. Once people stopped believing in a Creator, materialism was never going to fill that void. 'Mass formation' is worth looking at if anyone is confused how we are where we a re in 2021.
As a gen x who entered the labor force 25 years ago, I can say this is a very long term trend and this is the end stage we are looking at. This started 25 years ago - at least - and there was no one even then who stood up for the classical liberals. Conservatives were minding their own business and progressives were aggressively promoting their ideas and young people who supported them.
Conservatives were busy chipping away at our classical liberal economic institutes with the crony capitalist theory known at the time as Economic Rationalism (ER). Thatcher, Reagan and other western conservatives pursued ER’s implementation with vigour and they lacked the understanding that the theoreticians behind these policies were former Trotskyists, e.g. Irving Kristol. I make the case that all of the subsequent crisis in the markets and the fallout of these into the greater economy can be attributed to the execution of these economic strategies as Gen-X were entering the workforce.
@Zw Longer than that . What we are experiencing is the results of Antonio Gramsci Long march through the institutions . Our ''leaders'' are closet communists.
In what world are progressives the problem with society? The stagnation of wages and the increasing centralization of wealth is a direct result of conservative neo-liberal ideology. You are so blinded by propaganda and your hatred of lefties that you support the same people undermining our society for their own political and economic gain.
@@norbetjagamara5536 Printing and spending more money than actually exists, unsustainable social programs, Central Bank control of Finances, Globalisation and Mass Immigration to reduce wage costs, the deliberate destruction of families and other Progressive policies are the core problem. All the things that the 'Progressives' push cost more and more money, create less and less responsibility and create more and more debt, which is now causing us a world-wide financial crisis. The Centralisation of money and power is caused by money printing. It's called the Cantillon effect. Neo-Liberalism is an ideology that instructs Governments to not get involved in the Economy and to leave it to the Free Market. The entire Market is controlled by Central Banks and their printing of money. There is no Free Market, anywhere. In the West we have HUGE taxes and a HUGE number of taxes and regulations, all stifling ordinary people. That is not Neo-Liberalism, and not even Capitalism. It's Socialism. The confusion comes because certain Corporations (eg Big Tech, big Pharma etc) receive special privileges from the Governments they pay for. The Left calls that Neo-Liberalism, when in reality it's corruption, and as far removed from Neo-Liberalism as possible.
No, he does not make any sense at all. Libertarians like him are the principal reason Britain has lost its national identity. The answer to the current crisis is simple. End immigration and send most of those arriving in the past 20 years back. That's not going to happen because libertarians hate nationalism and align with the hard left in immigration policy
@@gdiwolverinemale2745 Thats an interesting perspective, your right about open border policy, if people are to enter into England they should at least be put straight into the work force so they can start contributing to whole system, housing should be prioritised to the current homeless and hard sleeping people before anyone new. Perhaps give Peter Hitchens book the abolition of Britain a read or get the audiobook, his points on the loss of English pride, traditions and values after world war 1 and 2 do ring true as causes for the social problems today. It’s especially true in regards to the demolishing of the family model and the education reforms these have been particularly damaging. Let me know what you think.
@@Psychonaut42 Well, you seem to be right in the park with Hitchens and libertarians. You see the problem, but your answer to it is .... let it continue. No. Culture is everything. Our prosperity, organization and laws are based on it. Money is just a consequence of a well organized society. Bring in more foreigners, and you lose the most important thing, the group identity. It is very simple and yet, libertarians are not intelligent enough to understand something so obvious. Of course, the left is all about destroying the West. Christianity in particular. They want equality and the death of technological progress
Why is it that we continue to believe that the collective wisdom of extremely ignorenant individuals is somehow going to lead us somewhere wonderful? Churchill nailed it. Democracy is the worst system of government there is ... except for all the rest. It's long since time we called out the BS peddlers for what they are, where ever they are ... media, parliament, education sytems. No one should be above scrutiny.
I don't think democracy is the problem, it's that those we elected to represent our interests are not doing what they are supposed to do and are acting on the orders of a hidden elite, and we have no way of holding them to account for this until the general election. But now we can see that they are all doing this and there is no party that isn't in the pay of the global elite and supported by the forces of the state against the people.
@@edaindaimhin6009 Excellent summary! You deserve x10 times the up votes. Nationalism is the answer. Globalists juliet echo whiskey siera killed it first, knowing it is their principal enemy
Well Peter, don't overlook the fact that Japan approved Ivermectin in August and immediately afterwards covid hospitalisation and deaths fell to almost zero.
There have actually come some good things from these lockdowns, I've seen far more people getting out and doing things like walking in national parks and other outdoor activities, far more than I remember from before the lockdowns.
more people need to bring legal action against employers who are allowing the "woke" crowd take control of the workplace. I have experienced this discrimination and we need to and should push back.
@@Mtmonaghan what on earth are you referring to? Pushing back against woke discrimination isn’t entitlement. Getting a job because you meet a diversity quota instead of being qualified is actually entitlement.
@@jeremyantworth5704 furthering the presupposition that government has a place dictating how businesses should organise themselves? Yes, it is government control. Whether it’s for or against woke culture is irrelevant to the acceptance that government has a place getting involved in the internal structure of a private business.
With regards to Sweden and COVID, it is important to understand the political structure of the country. For example, government agencies are all autonomous and independent from each other and the cabinet. During this pandemic, the Public Health Agency of Sweden is responsible for the policies and NOT the cabinet. The cabinet may not control or influence a government agency, which would be unconstitutional. Swedish society operates on good and transparent communications between government agencies and the people. There are no mask mandates or lock-downs because that would be unconstitutional. Sweden succeeds or not based on the cooperation and willingness of the people.
The jab doesnt stop you getting infected and it doesnt stop you infecting anyone else with the deadly plague so why would a so called opponent of the covid madness so publicly take the jabbarooney ?.
Interesting discussion. I feel technology, computer smartphones are a major cause for this. They addict the public to instant gratification and having their need constantly anticipated!
It certainly played a large role but what else could of happened given our cyborg like design to create and implement technology? Our evolution is now measured in tech development rather than biological advances.
I agree. We are evolved to interact personally with small groups of people which is beneficial to us and therefore it is beneficial to show mutual respect and non-aggression within your group. When on keyboards this does not matter - hence the dispiriting swamp of social media comments
I think he is quite correct. I feel nothing but a prevailing sense of doom for Western society, and I am most grateful that I have neither a child nor a wife. At least I need not fear for lives other than my own.
@@stanleyshannon4408 You are incorrect. It has been a lack of awareness that has got us here. Awareness of the increasing grip of the super-rich and their control of our governments. It has been a total ignorance on the fact that all governments are totally corrupt and self serving, driven only by greed and power, and our complacent failure to stand up to this utter tyranny that has got us here.
@@surfinmuso37 And the reason we cannot stand up to the tyranny is because so many stopped having families and children raised to resist tyranny by honoring the traditions of their ancestors. Everything else flows from the willful abandonment of our basic biological imperative.
@@stanleyshannon4408 You can thank the cultural revolution of the 60s and finally one anthony blair for incentivizing single parenthood for votes and making it nigh on impossible for decent folk whom didn't want big state intervention to afford to have a family. There's nothing new under the sun and its beyond our control, its all happened before and it'll all happen again, just look at the kali yuga for example and it becomes quite apparent that people and the cycles haven't changed in the slightest.
The church is hardly a great institution. It's a beacon of greed and power. No company (and that's what the church is) has ever made as much money as the church in the history of humanity.
What seems to be happening in all societies is that hatred , in itself, is intensifying. Hence no room for forgiveness or allowance for any leader that makes a mistake. Everybody just wants to bear grudge, Peter Hitchens is so right.
A lot of it is just short blurbs, pretty much intellectually worthless tbh inuding mine! I don't really give a sh^t about it. I'll never meet anyone that I exchange on Twitter or here with Its all tripe. I would say that it has probably encouraged polarisation and tribalism. Do you think what YOU say is worth much?
@@grahambramley5952 I will never know.We can only express an opinion and hope it resonates with someone.Politics is a wide field with many dimensions.We here are small in number and cannot compete with the MSM whose leftwing bile goes unopposed.
There is a reason Christianity taught forgiveness so much: it is often unnatural to humans, even though it is extremely socially useful. And now all the "smart people" are atheists who expected forgiveness to stick around after they got rid of religion. Fools like Bill Maher and Christopher Hitchens.
@@rynolascavio3381 : "The West" has taken forgiveness too far. Criminals are not charged. Those who are charged are let off by the courts or given community service with no conviction recorded, etc.
I agree with Peter that our current society is finished in this decade, but I am hopeful that seeds will be also planted that a revolution can happen in the 2040's.
After pretending to be the opposision he caved in and injected himself publicly with an experimental medication , he knows that,and anyone with two active brain cells know that too .All the rest is just whistling in the graveyard.
Call me an optimist, but I do have hope. With people like yourselves, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand, Joe Rogan and many other heavy hitters fighting back, I believe things will turn around.
@@CKD3332 that's all easy to say, but tough to argue. Not convincing. If you know everything about how to fight properly why aren't you doing it? Where are your videos and books?
When you read his book 'The Abolition of Britain' you can see why. He explains in detail how Britain has been destroyed in every aspect. Education, Economic, Culture & Societal and most importantly the destruction of Christianity and the Church.
well, he shouldnt be vocal about it then. Now is the time to be courageous and hold the line together. He has a responsibility to support the people and fight! but he took the jab, and now should shut up. We dont need a fatalistic view on matters right now. Shame on Hitchens the Sell Out.
Until you pull their ABC into line, society will forever be progressively becoming more divided into hateful tribes & obsessed with identity politics. The reach & influence of their ABC is quite incredible & it staggers me that there is not more focus on what their ABC has become.
The great socialist BBC machine has been preparing people's minds for this transition for decade's, imagine going door to door to take their chop of the airwave tax ?
I'm wondering paradoxically whether we the people should take matters into our own hands and set an example to our so-called betters in how to live with courage and integrity because there is precious little of either in the media, politics or our unelected institutions which are supposed to serve us. Like fish, our nation seems to be rotting from the head down.
Well, God did reassure Elijah that there was a remnant that had not bent their knee to Baal. And I do appreciate social media being a tool for we remnant finding one another.
Enjoyable and insightful discussion. I have one problem with it. Mr Anderson and Mr Hitchens both forecast covid eventually being over. I'm not at all sure it shall be.
Australia had a huge industrial manufacturing base in the seventies, mining equipment iron ore processing equipment on a huge scale, I watched the deindustrialisation of Aus by stealth, by design over a 40 year period Both sides of the stinking 2 party system bring complicit.
The same happened in the United States, obviously. Also by design.....and also directly related to what's going on now with all of this C19 nonsense, the World Economic Forum "Great Reset", AKA United Nations agenda 21 / 30. "Climate lock-downs" soon to follow. Welcome to the NWO.
I’m hoping that Peter is not counting his chickens before they hatch, I’m hoping for a huge change, people around the world are waking up to the history of world politics. People are wanting change.
Culture's from a European background don't do well when they try to integrate other cultures. This is a big reason why its hard to immigrate to places like Japan for example.
True, but Europeans never had any need to integrate into other cultures. Western nations were leading the world .... until they were forced to embrace diversity, open borders and imported cheap labor
Peter, did you ever think that the people who you debated on god just believed in a different god? The god that is the state. The very same people who were skeptical about a deity welcome with open arms government intervention. There is more evidence that government doesn't work than evidence that exists for or against any deity...
Posted again and again all over UA-cam but Benjamin Franklin's famous quote is depressingly apposite here, ''Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Keep in mind that now, for the first time in its history, every single institution of any societal influence whatsoever is now firmly in the hands of persons who are decidedly irreligious and amoral. They have no abiding moral checks on the baser impulses of human nature such as pride, envy, sloth, and greed. What did we expect would happen when we, as a culture, consciously abandoned our Biblical heritage? As they say, don’t remove a fence before you understand why it was erected in the first place.
I see plenty of positivity and hope in what many media watching zombies refer to as antifakeseeners. These people are STRONG WILLED, and the positivity and regard for one another in the face of job loss, apartheid and tyranny is amazing. But unfortunately the system requires we can't live the mostly SELF SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY LIFESTYLE we wish to lead.
@@larrypovey3302 I agree with you. In my opinion once you've taken the jab in the first place you've entered into a contract in which you aided the agenda. I have no hope or trust in someone who has conformed. I will still freind and socialise with them but as far as going against the tyrannical agenda I have no hope.
Looking at history, so many countries and communities guided by the genuine principles of the Bible have brought about freedoms and peace for its citizens!
UNFORGIVING? Yes, it is sad that people are so unforgiving when people make a mistake. But far worse are those who apologize when they have NOT MADE A MISTAKE, but get called out for speaking TRUTH which offends someone. We must stop worrying about offending people, and be brave enough to speak the Truth. A bid problem as we go into 2022 is far too many people have embraced DELUSIONAL views of reality. How do we break the spell, without being brave?
Remember that people had a choice and they have chosen oblivian.After going to protests I have now stopped because I see this is a spiritual event which is out of my hands.Those I tried to reason with just blank me as if in a spell or trance.Their spirits have left the body.
Empires rise and fall : "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on." Arab proverb. And as St Paul observed, "No good kicking against the pricks." When we change ourselves -- we change the world.
What will change the globalisation of trade, in addition to what John is referring to, is a major depression, which is inevitable. And China will be hit harder than most. Their internal property market is vastly overvalued and is effectively a state sponsored ponzi. This is similar to Japan in the 80s, after which a 40 year depression took hold. This will happen in China to and the West will discover that they have large populations who cannot get meaningful work. Companies will be forced to confront the role they must play in society rather than to just make the most money possible.
Companies don't care if millions go without work as long as the company can make a profit. Conservatives have banged on this drum for so long--greed and selfishness are just fine in business--the system is not about to change now.
@@julianmarsh1378 The issue is .... everything was fine while national capitalism was the economic model. There are globalist conservatives (actually libertarians) and nationalist conservatives. Greed is fine, as long as the culture controls it.
@@gdiwolverinemale2745 Greed is never fine, if one is depending on someone else to do the work for you. Globalist capitalists have been supported by liberals and conservatives alike, but the driving force has been our own corporations ever hungry for more money. They call the shots behind globalization. As for everything being fine until the rise of globalist economics, it wasn't. Prior to its great outburst in the 1980s and 90s, wages had already failed to keep up with a huge increase in productivity and the gap between the wealthiest and the rest of us, had already been growing. A certain inequality of wealth is expected in any civilization, but too much is a bad thing. And all that started with the arrival of Richard Nixon in the White House.
@@julianmarsh1378 The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good. Greed is right. Greed works. Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit. Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind. - Gordon Gekko ... but .... Globalism is a completely different animal, particularly the open borders policy. The West is changing rapidly because the demography is being changed, intentionally. We seem not greedy enough to preserving our culture and national and historical identity btw the current trend has nothing to do with Nixon. He was a great president. This period begins with the fall of the Soviet Union and the open borders policy. Reagan has actually done significant harm, granting amnesty to illegals
China didn't ask us to stop making stuff. I'd say we were once a major manufacturer, when we look at what we did, for our population level and the variety of products we actually did produce here. So we've suddenly realised the political direction of our massive trading partner isn't what we thought it would become. I love that one.. We all just noticed, because couldn't admit it 10 years ago, for various reasons of vested self interest. Come on man.. Whoever Howard sold our Gold to, did ok in the meantime. Hope we've got some left. In this actual Country would be good.
There is no hope for your middle class society. It doesn't help that they are morally bankrupt. Every thing fails eventually, new things arise. Time goes on .
The hope is in parallel societies. New technologies will replace the need for centralised bureaucracies. We can already see this opportunity e.g. in the American Amish communities.
Curious fellow Mr Hitchens - said he would be happy with a nationalised railway, took the vaccine - yet somehow loved by libertarians - who don't want globalised trade, but do want a free market - all these arguments seems so replete with contradictions, making zero coherent sense - still, in the end, very little matters, ^oo^
Peter has been a ray of hope throughout this nonsense. ( He let himself down a little by falling for the ' two jabs for freedom ' propaganda. But we're all flawed I guess? ).
@John Fisher: Some ancient guy said that an ideal state is one run by philosophers. Its has never happened. Politicians and philosophers are very different species.
I like Hitchens, but has anyone else noticed his habit of pausing just long enough that his interlocutor begins replying, at which point he forcefully resumes? He has a somewhat pronounced speaking style and I don't claim it is intentional, but he comes off as a bit of a bully.
I think Peter talks a lot of sense generally, but he has capitulated to despair. The time will come. Things will have to get very bad first, but it will come. We men who just wanted to be left alone will be forced to take action. Had they left us alone they may have gotten away with it, but of course they couldn't and so they will pay the price.
The peter hitchens pregnant pause..you must time it just right before beginning your rebuttal or next question. The mans gears are continually spinning inside his mind as each of his ideas are sent out to us. peter is always glad to expound, eloborate on the simplest of matters
People run the system. Few select do it. Negative outcomes result when nothing is learned from history of the mistakes of others. Learning is key. Not smart have sometimes huge impediments to EVERYTHING least of which is learning lessons. Decision makers seek and take advice. Some advice is VERY bad. Blame should be assessed properly on both the decisions taken and the advice given rather than being rational and sound, being foolish and nonsensical unless done purposefully to cause disaster. Thus conspiracy is a plausible explanation for why negative outcomes were intended to happen to cause a particular outcome that changes fate and destiny.
Once you start introducing “non-crime hate incidents” for witty comments society is on a rocky road. Trillions are currently being ploughed into AI so expect humans to be replaced any time soon 😁.
Peter, why do you do that. You long pause......as if you have finished the statement, and just as the interviewer starts to ask another question you continue with the answer. I know I'm being silly and picky, but it's painful to listen, and you have such good things to say. Just saying. Sorry
Sadly, the UK is lost. Democracy is dead and we are witnessing the demise of Western civilization, all aided and abetted by a compliant population. Being true to yourself and your principles is the way to go, but it will come at an increasingly higher cost until all comply. I fear for my children and grandchildren.
Peter complied when he publicly took the jab,after arguing against the fearnappy, you cant be a bit pregnant you are or you aint.
The demise of Western civilization is a direct consequence of the destruction of national identity, the advance of the so-called civil society., which is a euphemism for Globalist socialism, open borders, and migrations from poor regions
@@larrypovey3302 Hitchin’s choice was his alone, as was everyone else’s, informed by his own research based on his health and age, not the wish to endorse the government. A debate isn’t about a wholehearted dismissal of everything your opponent does. It’s about a reasoned reasonable position based on the available facts. A position on each point of debate. His position on the vaccine was to accept it’s positive benefits for his own wellbeing. That the general population didn’t make an informed choice and were coerced into the jab is a reasonable point to debate.
No. I see a information grab and then medical passport's, total control on u and movements.
Not good. Put the kettle on
It is Democracy that got us here. It is time to let it go along with Communism and Socialism. We need fresh thinking.
It's a sad state of affairs for the minority, but Peter is right. People want security and their comforts more than their freedom.
Which means they will lose it all... freedom, safety, comfort, and their right minds.
@@cherylmockotr you are so right, my thoughts exactly.
Comfortably numbed and fed through a hatch.
For giving up freedom for safety they deserve neither in return, to elaborate Benjamin Franklin's quote
Problem is, once you give your government the authority to jab you, there is no end to that power. This is what happens when people don't study history, Nuremberg trials!!!!
Peter is right more often than not and I think he's spot on in his assessment of why worthwhile people don't go in to politics. To the best politicians going into politics was a vocation and not a career choice. That's been completely reversed now.
For vocation read career then advancement within it as the new motivation in every former respectable profession. The best opt out any way they can from the dross that’s now deemed acceptable to promote upwards. Where we once had a one or at the most a few irritating jobs worth’s they’re now the dominant force. Productivity? Down. And that’s why moral is so low. Purpose? Gone. The only value given to promoting oneself way beyond one’s merit. Welcome to a progressive descent to the bottom. Society is no more, said Thatcher, proclaiming it was now the individual and their family. The true rot began with free markets and the illusion of levelling up.
In the 80s I read a Harvard business review and it said we were heading for a leadership crises. It said it could take 20 to 30 years to see it. Well we are there. This mess is created by incompetent people who should not be in the positions they are in. But I still have faith in the few strong ethical intelligent people stepping out trying to make a difference.
Those that control the testing get to decide how long this crime lasts.
Doctors also can stop committing crimes against humanity. Teachers can stop being propagandists, journalists can do the truth for once, police could investigate criminals in power….buddy society has been corrupted to its core.
PCR TESTS 93pc FALSE POSSITIVES . THE MSM OWN THE LIES.
Everyone seems to skirt around the one issue and that is of violence. Violence in and of itself is not unintelligent, it is the last resort of intelligence.
The objective of War is Peace but with a change in the Balance of Power.
In my opinion, violence is inevitable.
Very well said brother, echoing my sentiment
Our governments are making it inevitable.
How about Gandhi,India defeated British Empire,the biggest and the strongest one in history by civil disobedience.
@@ms-jl6dl That is a very simplistic answer. It was the pressure from America and the crippling debts of the Second WW that led to Britain abandoning its Empire. Civil disobedience was but a part of the pressure.
@@ms-jl6dl It has been said that Gandhi only succeeded because his opponent (sometimes) embodied civilized standards. Gandhi's peaceful approach would not have been successful in China or North Korea today.
Evil is about and the more misery it creates the stronger it grows.
‘No one can get up much enthusiasm for a Government which puts you in jail if you open your mouth’
‘What is needed is the right to print what one believes to be true, without having to fear bullying or blackmail from any side.’ George Orwell quotes about freedom
Spent Xmas with my family including all grandchildren of all ages
I adore them and wouldn't change this day for anything and I would never expect them to take experimental vaccines to save me never ..
When are you guys going to attack the subjects that matter? Wallowing in this covid love affair is pathetic. Civilization is not under threat of a disease. The corruption of the so-called democratic system is where the problem lies.
It is time for politics to evolve!
Their is an underbelly in society that can see what's really going on they'll survive ok, keep the chin up folks.
As a group we are behaving like scared mice. The indignity of the show is shameful
Peter is interesting but his constant interruptions are so rude
Civil courage Peter? Where was yours when you capitulated to this facism some time ago.
all you can do is forget about everyone else and live your life
It's 2021. Get your audio fixed.
Peter was probably the picture of sunny optimism in this video compared to his profound gloom today.
Sustaining theft in the long term is impossible ……
Once I believed a people with free speech and the right to vote would find the right path forward. I now think that expecting sanity from the broader public is futile. The past two years have helped bring that home to me. All I can do is cling to my autonomy, which is the right path forward for the self.
Churchill said something interesting in that regard
"If you want to make an argument AGAINST democracy
just talk to the average voter for 5 minutes"
@@Antipodean33 I think, nowadays, talking to the average politician for 5 minutes should give you reason to doubt democracy.
This comment was so good I had to screen shot it.
It's not that they are insane. Mainly, they are busy living their lives and don't want to spend their free time too much on politics. We can - and must - believe in the people.
Man you just hit the nail on the head
Welcome to a society ruled by quota hires and educated with affirmative discrimination. It was bound to happen. I'm disgusted in my country.
@@sarahloffler middle and lower class men (99.999%) have no voice in this discussion, lest we be titled fascist and arrested for it. Just look at how the union protest was reported and policed. If you want to fight, protest against the cult of your harpy sisters, feminism, who created ALL of this victimhood profiteering. Otherwise, just admit you lack the courage, just like the rest of the cowards, that hide under their bed from a cold. You have the privilage of not being persecuted as a man for speaking up, you can either use it, or lose it. Up to you.
@@sarahloffler a shame you ladies killed the heroism of men by incessantly calling them villians for the last 100 years. I would love to see a woman stand up for everyone, as opposed to anyone but men. I'll believe it when I see it.
Excellent take
@@sarahloffler Lol! Yeah, what was his name again?
@@sarahloffler Great comment, Sarah
Whenever I see someone wearing a mask alone in their car I nearly start crying
Mental health issues, living in a constant state of fear
Maybe they just want to hide their face?
I laugh at them.
The problem is those people want to control YOU.
@@lostidles That's the only sane excuse that I can give them. Especially with all those face recognition softwares and cameras, and people filming you with their phones.
30 plus years ago I thought Peter Hitchens was a fool spouting a load of rubbish. Now I am older and wiser I see he is a beacon of common sense. Shame we have so few of them in our country.
Same, scarily enough, with Russell Brand
30 years ago he was vehemently advocating Bolshevism.
You know you've grown up when you put down Christopher and take up Peter.
That vaccine he took so he could engage in society and travel hasn't worked out too well for him.
@gewloom sre ah cut him some slack. His son lives in the states I believe; he just wanted to see his child. He's been one of the few sane voices in the media over this coof madness and gets my respect.
"Healthy people are those who live in healthy homes on a healthy diet; in an environment equally fit for birth, growth, work, healing,
and dying... Healthy people need no bureaucratic interference to mate, give birth, share the human condition and die. "
- Ivan Dominic Illich
Guess how sick humanity is.
PETER TOOK THE JAB , PUBLICLY ,PRETEND OPPOSISION.
How long do you think a society on drugs will survive?
@@warrencurtis7442 Not for very long.
I never understood the argument that trading with China would weaken the communist regime and make the country more open and free. It's akin to believing that having an intimate relationship with a syphilitic will somehow end up curing the disease. Dictatorial regimes do not fall during good times. They end up in worst of times, as my native Eastern Europe has witnessed in late 80s.
How about Cuba,North Korea?
I don't get it why someone keeps saying - I am from East Africa, I am from Eastern Europe... If you love your homeland, state it by name...
Western politicians made china, money, money, money, Thats what politicians are in politics for.
And the girls are just as bad as the boys, their Motto should be, I came in to politics, to have access to plenty of money,
That one I can explain from the perspective of the anglo-american establishment, uniparty, Cathedral, pick your way to describe the group that had power from the 1980s until about 2008.
As an aside somewhere around 2008 either some portion of that group switched out for another group which changed the goals of the group or the group itself changed its goals somewhat. I am not saying that many of the policies that have brought us to where we are are new, just that there were some changes in the power paradigm around that time.
From the perspective of the elite they thought they had identified a correlation between per capita GDP and individual political sovereignty. They 100% believed that by increasing the relative wealth of the average Chinese citizen they were placing pressure on the Chinese system which would force the Chinese government to acknowledge increasing sovereignty of its citizens which has traditionally been made manifest in the form of improved private property rights as well as increasing political and economic liberalization and openness. I'm very serious, they thought making the Chinese rich would hurt them.
Yes, I am aware that there are multiple large-scale examples in the past which demonstrate that idea to be wrong. They were aware of that as well and handwaved them away has either outliers or special cases. There was also a significant chunk of personal interest involved where lots of folks thought they could make a lot of money and the process of the Chinese getting rich, I am aware that that played a role in their calculus but their publications don't talk about how much that played a role, reading between the lines I asked made it was a large role but not the dominant one. Additionally, from their perspective, if they could get rich while hurting the Chinese what's the problem.
Just in case someone reading this is curious my assessment is that they inverted cause and effect. Individual sovereignty, or more specifically private property rights and free exchange of goods and services between individuals, leads to a decrease in political power as more and more people just demand to be left alone, in an environment where being left alone by the government appears to be the path to greater wealth and prosperity. Making the government's the path to wealth and prosperity, which is what was done in the case of China, just increases the power of the government.
Side note, I think that a portion of that 2008 sea change in the West was the elite learning the wrong lesson, overcorrecting, and developing a belief that if China can be both rich and centrally powerful they can do the same without understanding that a substantial portion of China's wealth and power are fictitious and that the society undergirding the wealth and power are so radically different that tactics and techniques used in China are very likely to cause violent pushback in the West from populations which are used to a much greater degree of political sovereignty. Following that if they are able to clamp down on the demands for political sovereignty the damage it will cause to individual incentive modeling is such that it will cost the West its prosperity.
And just where do you think this covid cult is going ?.
*“Can you cite one speck of hard evidence of the benefits of "diversity" that we have heard gushed about for years? Evidence of its harm can be seen - written in blood - from Iraq to India, from Serbia to Sudan, from Fiji to the Philippines. It is scary how easily so many people can be brainwashed by sheer repetition of a word.”*
― Thomas Sowell
Diversity read division thats what it has always been about , so called anti-vaxxers will be the new jews, if the msm have their way. Its a tried and tested program, and that train is never late.
Diversity is the equivalent to the weakest link in a chain
Diversity is simply a coverup for the importation of a cheap workforce. It is that simple
Demanding "Evidence" is one of the master's tools, and these tools will never dismantle the master's house. See how easy this is?
So what happens to the non-white people in the world? Do you want them all dead, devil? Do you want a world dominated by white supremacy?
fear of death is humanity's problem.
when we accept death as partner with life, there may be hope.
No, only fully believing in the Lord Jesus Christ can someone fully not fear death but actually welcome it to go home.
Magic mushrooms took me too that place.
Humanity's problem is not knowing and giving of their true nature. Fear of death comes as part of that, I think.
I have said this for a decade or more. Once people stopped believing in a Creator, materialism was never going to fill that void. 'Mass formation' is worth looking at if anyone is confused how we are where we a re in 2021.
The source of all their lies is that death is something to be feared.
As a gen x who entered the labor force 25 years ago, I can say this is a very long term trend and this is the end stage we are looking at. This started 25 years ago - at least - and there was no one even then who stood up for the classical liberals. Conservatives were minding their own business and progressives were aggressively promoting their ideas and young people who supported them.
Conservatives were busy chipping away at our classical liberal economic institutes with the crony capitalist theory known at the time as Economic Rationalism (ER). Thatcher, Reagan and other western conservatives pursued ER’s implementation with vigour and they lacked the understanding that the theoreticians behind these policies were former Trotskyists, e.g. Irving Kristol. I make the case that all of the subsequent crisis in the markets and the fallout of these into the greater economy can be attributed to the execution of these economic strategies as Gen-X were entering the workforce.
@Zw Longer than that . What we are experiencing is the results of Antonio Gramsci Long march through the institutions . Our ''leaders'' are closet communists.
In what world are progressives the problem with society? The stagnation of wages and the increasing centralization of wealth is a direct result of conservative neo-liberal ideology. You are so blinded by propaganda and your hatred of lefties that you support the same people undermining our society for their own political and economic gain.
@@norbetjagamara5536 clap clap clap on the 1st year undergrad level outrage. your argument is so cliché that even your cliches are cliché
@@norbetjagamara5536 Printing and spending more money than actually exists, unsustainable social programs, Central Bank control of Finances, Globalisation and Mass Immigration to reduce wage costs, the deliberate destruction of families and other Progressive policies are the core problem. All the things that the 'Progressives' push cost more and more money, create less and less responsibility and create more and more debt, which is now causing us a world-wide financial crisis. The Centralisation of money and power is caused by money printing. It's called the Cantillon effect. Neo-Liberalism is an ideology that instructs Governments to not get involved in the Economy and to leave it to the Free Market. The entire Market is controlled by Central Banks and their printing of money. There is no Free Market, anywhere. In the West we have HUGE taxes and a HUGE number of taxes and regulations, all stifling ordinary people. That is not Neo-Liberalism, and not even Capitalism. It's Socialism. The confusion comes because certain Corporations (eg Big Tech, big Pharma etc) receive special privileges from the Governments they pay for. The Left calls that Neo-Liberalism, when in reality it's corruption, and as far removed from Neo-Liberalism as possible.
No system can save a country from its people.
Amazing quote
I have absolutely no idea what that means...
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Delete Facebook then...
AND WHEN SCREWUA-cam DOES ALLOW IT ,WHAT DOES IT TELL YOU ABOUT WHAT KIND OF THREAT THEY CONSIDER PETER HITCHENS IS.
Thank you Peter, I live In England and what you say makes total sense, I’m with you.
No, he does not make any sense at all. Libertarians like him are the principal reason Britain has lost its national identity. The answer to the current crisis is simple. End immigration and send most of those arriving in the past 20 years back. That's not going to happen because libertarians hate nationalism and align with the hard left in immigration policy
@@gdiwolverinemale2745 Thats an interesting perspective, your right about open border policy, if people are to enter into England they should at least be put straight into the work force so they can start contributing to whole system, housing should be prioritised to the current homeless and hard sleeping people before anyone new. Perhaps give Peter Hitchens book the abolition of Britain a read or get the audiobook, his points on the loss of English pride, traditions and values after world war 1 and 2 do ring true as causes for the social problems today. It’s especially true in regards to the demolishing of the family model and the education reforms these have been particularly damaging. Let me know what you think.
@@Psychonaut42 Well, you seem to be right in the park with Hitchens and libertarians. You see the problem, but your answer to it is .... let it continue.
No. Culture is everything. Our prosperity, organization and laws are based on it. Money is just a consequence of a well organized society. Bring in more foreigners, and you lose the most important thing, the group identity. It is very simple and yet, libertarians are not intelligent enough to understand something so obvious. Of course, the left is all about destroying the West. Christianity in particular. They want equality and the death of technological progress
Why is it that we continue to believe that the collective wisdom of extremely ignorenant individuals is somehow going to lead us somewhere wonderful? Churchill nailed it. Democracy is the worst system of government there is ... except for all the rest. It's long since time we called out the BS peddlers for what they are, where ever they are ... media, parliament, education sytems. No one should be above scrutiny.
Ignorant? Or brainwashed and busy?
I don't think democracy is the problem, it's that those we elected to represent our interests are not doing what they are supposed to do and are acting on the orders of a hidden elite, and we have no way of holding them to account for this until the general election. But now we can see that they are all doing this and there is no party that isn't in the pay of the global elite and supported by the forces of the state against the people.
Democracy is the problem that underlies all of this
@@rocketpig1914 Distinction without a difference, perhaps.
@@edaindaimhin6009 Excellent summary! You deserve x10 times the up votes. Nationalism is the answer. Globalists juliet echo whiskey siera killed it first, knowing it is their principal enemy
Well Peter, don't overlook the fact that Japan approved Ivermectin in August and immediately afterwards covid hospitalisation and deaths fell to almost zero.
People have been taught to obey and they do. People I know believe in safety more then freedom.
Than*
True. Nonetheless, you only need 10-20% of people to have a revolution. The other 80% will just go for the ride... just like now.
The only way to stay safe is to have freedom and take care of yourself. Obeying is the most unsafe thing we could do!
Lol
There have actually come some good things from these lockdowns, I've seen far more people getting out and doing things like walking in national parks and other outdoor activities, far more than I remember from before the lockdowns.
more people need to bring legal action against employers who are allowing the "woke" crowd take control of the workplace. I have experienced this discrimination and we need to and should push back.
So more government control is your answer to overbearing government control?
You believe you have some kind of birth right, just someone else with a huge sense of entitlement
@@tcskips personal lawsuits are government control?
@@Mtmonaghan what on earth are you referring to? Pushing back against woke discrimination isn’t entitlement. Getting a job because you meet a diversity quota instead of being qualified is actually entitlement.
@@jeremyantworth5704 furthering the presupposition that government has a place dictating how businesses should organise themselves? Yes, it is government control. Whether it’s for or against woke culture is irrelevant to the acceptance that government has a place getting involved in the internal structure of a private business.
With regards to Sweden and COVID, it is important to understand the political structure of the country. For example, government agencies are all autonomous and independent from each other and the cabinet. During this pandemic, the Public Health Agency of Sweden is responsible for the policies and NOT the cabinet. The cabinet may not control or influence a government agency, which would be unconstitutional. Swedish society operates on good and transparent communications between government agencies and the people. There are no mask mandates or lock-downs because that would be unconstitutional. Sweden succeeds or not based on the cooperation and willingness of the people.
The jab doesnt stop you getting infected and it doesnt stop you infecting anyone else with the deadly plague so why would a so called opponent of the covid madness so publicly take the jabbarooney ?.
Yet they allowed mass migration from the worst cultures in the world and pretend all is well. Massive culture of pretense and censorship.
Interesting discussion. I feel technology, computer smartphones are a major cause for this. They addict the public to instant gratification and having their need constantly anticipated!
I also share this view and I think that this is one of the most significant and determining factors.
It certainly played a large role but what else could of happened given our cyborg like design to create and implement technology? Our evolution is now measured in tech development rather than biological advances.
It is not optional, they imposed it to us. Without a smartphone and the app I cannot even check the balance of my bank account.
I agree. We are evolved to interact personally with small groups of people which is beneficial to us and therefore it is beneficial to show mutual respect and non-aggression within your group. When on keyboards this does not matter - hence the dispiriting swamp of social media comments
I think he is quite correct. I feel nothing but a prevailing sense of doom for Western society, and I am most grateful that I have neither a child nor a wife. At least I need not fear for lives other than my own.
That's pretty much precisely the kind of thinking that got us here.
@@stanleyshannon4408 You are incorrect. It has been a lack of awareness that has got us here. Awareness of the increasing grip of the super-rich and their control of our governments. It has been a total ignorance on the fact that all governments are totally corrupt and self serving, driven only by greed and power, and our complacent failure to stand up to this utter tyranny that has got us here.
@@surfinmuso37 And the reason we cannot stand up to the tyranny is because so many stopped having families and children raised to resist tyranny by honoring the traditions of their ancestors. Everything else flows from the willful abandonment of our basic biological imperative.
@@stanleyshannon4408 You can thank the cultural revolution of the 60s and finally one anthony blair for incentivizing single parenthood for votes and making it nigh on impossible for decent folk whom didn't want big state intervention to afford to have a family. There's nothing new under the sun and its beyond our control, its all happened before and it'll all happen again, just look at the kali yuga for example and it becomes quite apparent that people and the cycles haven't changed in the slightest.
@@ciaranperry4677 Doesn't matter why it happened. If you don't have children you lose. That's the only reason any of us are even here.
It seems to me that we have lost two great institutions over resent years the Pub and the Church which brought and held local communities together
THE LAST 20 MONTHS IS THE GREATEST EDUCATION YOU COULD EVER RECEIVE , DONT IGNORE IT.
Yes. Add to that marriage as well.
@Ant And the workplace due to globalisation, the ability to earn a decent wage consistently enough to make plans for the future.
... which can be summarized as .... losing national identity
The church is hardly a great institution. It's a beacon of greed and power. No company (and that's what the church is) has ever made as much money as the church in the history of humanity.
Migration to Russia sounds like a good idea
Don't be surprised if 20 years from now that becomes a trend. A large, white, Christian but sparsely populated area, with large natural resources
What seems to be happening in all societies is that hatred , in itself, is intensifying. Hence no room for forgiveness or allowance for any leader that makes a mistake. Everybody just wants to bear grudge, Peter Hitchens is so right.
Perhaps because social media has given everyone the open opportunity to express and share their bile and opinion?
@@grahambramley5952 yes I agree with you but the rot set in long before we had access to social media I feel.
@@grahambramley5952 You mean people who dont share your 'opinion'?
A lot of it is just short blurbs, pretty much intellectually worthless tbh inuding mine! I don't really give a sh^t about it. I'll never meet anyone that I exchange on Twitter or here with Its all tripe. I would say that it has probably encouraged polarisation and tribalism.
Do you think what YOU say is worth much?
@@grahambramley5952 I will never know.We can only express an opinion and hope it resonates with someone.Politics is a wide field with many dimensions.We here are small in number and cannot compete with the MSM whose leftwing bile goes unopposed.
Wow! Several days ago I was in conversation with a friend and said I thought our society was becoming less forgiving of each other.
There is a reason Christianity taught forgiveness so much: it is often unnatural to humans, even though it is extremely socially useful. And now all the "smart people" are atheists who expected forgiveness to stick around after they got rid of religion. Fools like Bill Maher and Christopher Hitchens.
@@TimBitts649 : Forgiveness is human nature to a real atheist.
@@TimBitts649 hey the Hundred Years War really proves your point or maybe those witch hanging Puritans were the epitome of ‘forgiveness.’
Christianity is forgiveness. And the West has slowly killed Christianity.
@@rynolascavio3381 : "The West" has taken forgiveness too far. Criminals are not charged. Those who are charged are let off by the courts or given community service with no conviction recorded, etc.
I agree with Peter that our current society is finished in this decade, but I am hopeful that seeds will be also planted that a revolution can happen in the 2040's.
After pretending to be the opposision he caved in and injected himself publicly with an experimental medication , he knows that,and anyone with two active brain cells know that too .All the rest is just whistling in the graveyard.
Call me an optimist, but I do have hope. With people like yourselves, Elon Musk, Jordan Peterson, Russell Brand, Joe Rogan and many other heavy hitters fighting back, I believe things will turn around.
Good luck with that.
I appreciate your optimism, but I’m not holding my breath.
Lol, you are mentioning puppets except maybe Peterson who is a genius, but a coward when it comes to fully addressing who is destroying the West.
@@CKD3332 that's all easy to say, but tough to argue. Not convincing. If you know everything about how to fight properly why aren't you doing it? Where are your videos and books?
I agree the pendulum swings and it is about to swing the opposite way. The government works for us, not us for them! The great wakeup!!!
Peter gave up on society a while ago actually, and has been vocal about it.
When you read his book 'The Abolition of Britain' you can see why. He explains in detail how Britain has been destroyed in every aspect. Education, Economic, Culture & Societal and most importantly the destruction of Christianity and the Church.
He hasn't given up, or he wouldn't be talking on UA-cam
BUT HE TOOK THE JAB, END OF.
@@larrypovey3302 exactly, instead of standing up for what's right, he took it to make life easier for himself. He nothing but a shill.
well, he shouldnt be vocal about it then. Now is the time to be courageous and hold the line together. He has a responsibility to support the people and fight! but he took the jab, and now should shut up. We dont need a fatalistic view on matters right now. Shame on Hitchens the Sell Out.
Is that Peter - "double jabbed because I want to travel" - Hitchens?
How's the travel going mate ? 😉
Spot on John 👍
Until you pull their ABC into line, society will forever be progressively becoming more divided into hateful tribes & obsessed with identity politics. The reach & influence of their ABC is quite incredible & it staggers me that there is not more focus on what their ABC has become.
The great socialist BBC machine has been preparing people's minds for this transition for decade's, imagine going door to door to take their chop of the airwave tax ?
The comfort and security I want is my freedom.
A devils bargain.
About time someone with a bit of intelligence is pointing the stupidity in our Health Care Empires.
Those who give up their freedom for security has neither.
I'm wondering paradoxically whether we the people should take matters into our own hands and set an example to our so-called betters in how to live with courage and integrity because there is precious little of either in the media, politics or our unelected institutions which are supposed to serve us. Like fish, our nation seems to be rotting from the head down.
They'll call you a terrorist and throw you in jail. Patience. The forthcoming economic collapse will force people to start taking sides
It's called a Revolution!!!
Come on Peter cheer up. There ARE people that are listening.
Well, God did reassure Elijah that there was a remnant that had not bent their knee to Baal. And I do appreciate social media being a tool for we remnant finding one another.
I've known this for years, and tried to tell people, but I'm the weird one.
Enjoyable and insightful discussion. I have one problem with it. Mr Anderson and Mr Hitchens both forecast covid eventually being over. I'm not at all sure it shall be.
Australia had a huge industrial manufacturing base in the seventies, mining equipment iron ore processing equipment on a huge scale,
I watched the deindustrialisation of Aus by stealth, by design over a 40 year period
Both sides of the stinking 2 party system bring complicit.
The same happened in the United States, obviously. Also by design.....and also directly related to what's going on now with all of this C19 nonsense, the World Economic Forum "Great Reset", AKA United Nations agenda 21 / 30. "Climate lock-downs" soon to follow. Welcome to the NWO.
Awesome conversation between you great blokes. Kudos to you.
Best greetings to you both at this time of year!
Hitchens was talking most of the time, providing almost no value. Anderson talked very little but was actually much more practical and pointed
Hope is supposed to rest with the young when in fact now our only hope is with our old folk but they are demonised and ignored.
I’m hoping that Peter is not counting his chickens before they hatch, I’m hoping for a huge change, people around the world are waking up to the history of world politics. People are wanting change.
POLITICS IS A TRUMAN SHOW THE LAST 20 MONTHS SHOULD HAVE PROVED THAT TO ANY CONCERNING HUMAN BEING.
He makes a very good argument for revolution. Absent any form of morality, why not?
Youvtube deletes all of my comments because they are terrified of a “truthful voice”
Culture's from a European background don't do well when they try to integrate other cultures. This is a big reason why its hard to immigrate to places like Japan for example.
True, but Europeans never had any need to integrate into other cultures. Western nations were leading the world .... until they were forced to embrace diversity, open borders and imported cheap labor
Our society is tearing itself apart,self inflicted wounds.It will get worse
Peter, did you ever think that the people who you debated on god just believed in a different god? The god that is the state. The very same people who were skeptical about a deity welcome with open arms government intervention. There is more evidence that government doesn't work than evidence that exists for or against any deity...
It's refreshing to hear an actual conversation about serious matters. So often the debate is 'no debate'. Rabid and extreme.
Posted again and again all over UA-cam but Benjamin Franklin's famous quote is depressingly apposite here,
''Those who would give up essential Liberty to purchase a little temporary Safety deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Keep in mind that now, for the first time in its history, every single institution of any societal influence whatsoever is now firmly in the hands of persons who are decidedly irreligious and amoral. They have no abiding moral checks on the baser impulses of human nature such as pride, envy, sloth, and greed. What did we expect would happen when we, as a culture, consciously abandoned our Biblical heritage? As they say, don’t remove a fence before you understand why it was erected in the first place.
Is that RIGHT?!
If we turn away from Christ what do we expect?
I see plenty of positivity and hope in what many media watching zombies refer to as antifakeseeners. These people are STRONG WILLED, and the positivity and regard for one another in the face of job loss, apartheid and tyranny is amazing. But unfortunately the system requires we can't live the mostly SELF SUSTAINABLE COMMUNITY LIFESTYLE we wish to lead.
PETER TOOK THE JAB . HE AINT THE RESISTANCE.
@@larrypovey3302 I agree with you. In my opinion once you've taken the jab in the first place you've entered into a contract in which you aided the agenda. I have no hope or trust in someone who has conformed. I will still freind and socialise with them but as far as going against the tyrannical agenda I have no hope.
"It is impossible to rightly govern a nation without God and the Bible"
-Goerge Washington
If Hitchens would understand that.
Looking at history, so many countries and communities guided by the genuine principles of the Bible have brought about freedoms and peace for its citizens!
wasnt Washington also a freemason though?
@@littletime8849 Bingo! It's in the guiding Principles that brings freedom and salvation for the individual.👍
@@meatloaf5772 Your point is?
UNFORGIVING? Yes, it is sad that people are so unforgiving when people make a mistake. But far worse are those who apologize when they have NOT MADE A MISTAKE, but get called out for speaking TRUTH which offends someone. We must stop worrying about offending people, and be brave enough to speak the Truth. A bid problem as we go into 2022 is far too many people have embraced DELUSIONAL views of reality. How do we break the spell, without being brave?
Accelerate collapse. More 🔥
It’s nothing to do with training - it’s to do with knowing the difference between right and wrong - THATS what we have lost!
I wonder if Mr. Anderson has seen what is happening in his own Country right now?
DONT MENTION THE ABORIGINALS IN CONSENTRATION CAMPS OR POLICE-THUGS BEATING UP OLD AGE PENSIONERS, JUST LIKE JOHN PILGER THE SILENCE IS DEAFENING.
@@larrypovey3302 Are you referring to the PRESENT AGE? Please give dates and instances, in order to make your comment meaningful.
He probably did. His response to that is proper .... nationalism will save us.
“If you abide in my word, you are truly my disciples, and you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free'' John 8: 31-32
Remember that people had a choice and they have chosen oblivian.After going to protests I have now stopped because I see this is a spiritual event which is out of my hands.Those I tried to reason with just blank me as if in a spell or trance.Their spirits have left the body.
The Fluoride Stare
Bad audio - very difficult to understand.
The stammering, mumbling chap has a point.
Peter Hitchens line for many years is that there is no hope. Only over the years the reasons for no hope change according to events.
Both optimism and pessimism are wishful thinking.
Peter is the polar opposite of me in many areas but I absolutely love him and have a secret crush on him
Empires rise and fall : "The dogs bark, but the caravan moves on." Arab proverb.
And as St Paul observed, "No good kicking against the pricks."
When we change ourselves -- we change the world.
When we were tribe we worked together to survive. Now we climb over each other to survive.
What will change the globalisation of trade, in addition to what John is referring to, is a major depression, which is inevitable. And China will be hit harder than most. Their internal property market is vastly overvalued and is effectively a state sponsored ponzi. This is similar to Japan in the 80s, after which a 40 year depression took hold. This will happen in China to and the West will discover that they have large populations who cannot get meaningful work. Companies will be forced to confront the role they must play in society rather than to just make the most money possible.
PRESS A BUTTON AND THE MONEY TREE IS IN OPERATION , WORLD FINANCE IS A TRUMAN SHOW, OTHERWISE IT WOULD HAVE IMPLODED DECADES AGO .
Companies don't care if millions go without work as long as the company can make a profit. Conservatives have banged on this drum for so long--greed and selfishness are just fine in business--the system is not about to change now.
@@julianmarsh1378 The issue is .... everything was fine while national capitalism was the economic model. There are globalist conservatives (actually libertarians) and nationalist conservatives. Greed is fine, as long as the culture controls it.
@@gdiwolverinemale2745 Greed is never fine, if one is depending on someone else to do the work for you. Globalist capitalists have been supported by liberals and conservatives alike, but the driving force has been our own corporations ever hungry for more money. They call the shots behind globalization. As for everything being fine until the rise of globalist economics, it wasn't. Prior to its great outburst in the 1980s and 90s, wages had already failed to keep up with a huge increase in productivity and the gap between the wealthiest and the rest of us, had already been growing. A certain inequality of wealth is expected in any civilization, but too much is a bad thing. And all that started with the arrival of Richard Nixon in the White House.
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The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed -- for lack of a better word -- is good.
Greed is right.
Greed works.
Greed clarifies, cuts through, and captures the essence of the evolutionary spirit.
Greed, in all of its forms -- greed for life, for money, for love, knowledge -- has marked the upward surge of mankind.
- Gordon Gekko
... but .... Globalism is a completely different animal, particularly the open borders policy. The West is changing rapidly because the demography is being changed, intentionally. We seem not greedy enough to preserving our culture and national and historical identity
btw the current trend has nothing to do with Nixon. He was a great president. This period begins with the fall of the Soviet Union and the open borders policy. Reagan has actually done significant harm, granting amnesty to illegals
Freedom isn’t free.
75% of the population are Livestock living on the farm.
China didn't ask us to stop making stuff. I'd say we were once a major manufacturer, when we look at what we did,
for our population level and the variety of products we actually did produce here.
So we've suddenly realised the political direction of our massive trading partner isn't what we thought it would become.
I love that one.. We all just noticed, because couldn't admit it 10 years ago, for various reasons of vested self interest.
Come on man.. Whoever Howard sold our Gold to, did ok in the meantime. Hope we've got some left.
In this actual Country would be good.
There is no hope for your middle class society. It doesn't help that they are morally bankrupt. Every thing fails eventually, new things arise. Time goes on .
The hope is in parallel societies. New technologies will replace the need for centralised bureaucracies. We can already see this opportunity e.g. in the American Amish communities.
Curious fellow Mr Hitchens - said he would be happy with a nationalised railway, took the vaccine - yet somehow loved by libertarians - who don't want globalised trade, but do want a free market - all these arguments seems so replete with contradictions, making zero coherent sense - still, in the end, very little matters, ^oo^
Peter has been a ray of hope throughout this nonsense. ( He let himself down a little by falling for the ' two jabs for freedom ' propaganda. But we're all flawed I guess? ).
Peter would make a good politician.
@John Fisher: Some ancient guy said that an ideal state is one run by philosophers. Its has never happened. Politicians and philosophers are very different species.
He certainly has the making of a politician, in as much as you can't trust him.
@@redpilled7002: Oh, if you go by this criterion, there will be no shortage...
I like Hitchens, but has anyone else noticed his habit of pausing just long enough that his interlocutor begins replying, at which point he forcefully resumes?
He has a somewhat pronounced speaking style and I don't claim it is intentional, but he comes off as a bit of a bully.
I think Peter talks a lot of sense generally, but he has capitulated to despair. The time will come. Things will have to get very bad first, but it will come. We men who just wanted to be left alone will be forced to take action. Had they left us alone they may have gotten away with it, but of course they couldn't and so they will pay the price.
Precisely. Nationalism will save our civilization, but things have to become bad for this to happen
The peter hitchens pregnant pause..you must time it just right before beginning your rebuttal or next question. The mans gears are continually spinning inside his mind as each of his ideas are sent out to us. peter is always glad to expound, eloborate on the simplest of matters
Common sense is in short supply these days .
Peter is absolutely right,the whole system is corrupt and broken,and has been for decades. How do we fix it?No idea.
It can't be fixed, it will collapse.
Every constructive act we do is a reason for hope. Grow food.
People run the system. Few select do it. Negative outcomes result when nothing is learned from history of the mistakes of others. Learning is key. Not smart have sometimes huge impediments to EVERYTHING least of which is learning lessons. Decision makers seek and take advice. Some advice is VERY bad. Blame should be assessed properly on both the decisions taken and the advice given rather than being rational and sound, being foolish and nonsensical unless done purposefully to cause disaster. Thus conspiracy is a plausible explanation for why negative outcomes were intended to happen to cause a particular outcome that changes fate and destiny.
Once you start introducing “non-crime hate incidents” for witty comments society is on a rocky road. Trillions are currently being ploughed into AI so expect humans to be replaced any time soon 😁.
No John. Not nationalism, authoritarian totalitarianism.
To put safety , equality before freedom , you get neither.
Peter, why do you do that. You long pause......as if you have finished the statement, and just as the interviewer starts to ask another question you continue with the answer. I know I'm being silly and picky, but it's painful to listen, and you have such good things to say. Just saying. Sorry
Excellent discussion, men.