Hey everyone, I've had a lot to deal with these past few weeks and I'm sorry for not posting. I hope you enjoy this episode and if you do don't forget to leave a Like and Subscribe! ❤
I’m glad people are finally taking Zheanie’s story seriously. I’m glad that Tokkie came forward and I hope they’re both healing from the trauma. I do feel pretty disappointed that Zheanie got so much hate despite all the evidence she had, but now everyone believes her because Tokkie came forward as well. I was following the Die Antwoord subreddit around the time Zheanie’s story was unfolding, and she’d actually post in there and get downvoted/insulted into oblivion before she was eventually banned. It took a lot of courage for her to come forward and she was met with abuse and gaslighting. I really hope she’s doing better now.
I’m ashamed to say at first I didn’t believe Zheani but I still felt the power imbalance was off and completely inappropriate, in hindsight I believe everything she said.
Wow you’re easily manipulated and propagandized 😂😂 what major music artist doesn’t have some wild career lmfao full of good and bad relations.. man.. FTW
@@weslegna I think you have to be a bit young and a bit dumb and a bit “edgy” to get in to them in the first place. So to mature is to snap out of that. This just helped expose what terrible people they were, and then I kind of realized that I was over it anyway. You’ll get there too. :)
Thank you so much for having Edwin on!!! I found out about all of DA's insane history from him years ago and watched your Toki video when it was released. It's great to see it come full circle! Please continue shining light on the insidious darkness that is Die Antword.
They’re not quiet they’re really active in their own discord server where they go by religious names. Ninja calls himself “Babaji” and they post all day and night on the discord trying to get their fans to follow their “truth” and feel “enlightenment”. They’re really big on “enlightenment”. It’s really culty and scary honestly
Yeah I worked with him in Joburg at a health food store where he went around dressed as a yogi and worked for the owners who had their own ashram in Yeoville.. he was such a faker and from here developed his sexual guru magic philosophies..at the time his name was Gangi….
@@ape72patch1 oh nooo seriously? He says some really really weird stuff on the discord and all the fans just go along with it. I can’t even follow what the hell any of them are saying. See, I was a fan when they first came out and since then I’ve gotten older, realized all of the red flags and I saw everything play out first hand when zheani called them out. I hopped in the discord bc I wanted to know what they were saying to the people who are still dedicated to them and sure enough, it’s all very culty and if you pay $10 a month, you get access to video calls w them and special content, and access to concerts.
@@Wakenbaketv yeah... I knew him when he was Yang weapon and Gangi for his yogi personality...we went with him to a show and he came home with a random girl behind his girlfriend's back...meanwhile at work he would always be holier than thou with his fake beliefs... We knew immediately what kind of person he was.... He's just an egotistical man who wants to get away with as much as possible and dress it up as something else...
@@ape72patch1 that makes sense with watkin and anris many many “personas” they’ve had since the 90s. All those different rap groups. Like max normal and max normal tv, the constructus corporation, the real estate agents etc
@@Wakenbaketv yeah he’s always been looking to create a character that he can sell… if you google ‘GG Allin and ninja ‘ I think there’s an image that shows how they just copied GG Allins look. By copying this they thought GG Allin was long enough ago for people not to notice.They also copied the way GG used to be offensive … basically he is on interscope records, or was ,so the whole thing was more developed than his own ideas (Watkins not Allin). But essentially he is a flawed character that needs personas to exist. He once barged into a Rasta commune in Alexandria and told the Rastas there he wanted to join them ,they said no and he was asked to leave. This kind of links to his need to be part of something spiritual which from what I know started with some positive religions like the people in the Ashram and then trying to join a Rasta community. Also there was talks and indication he was having sex with the female leader of the Ashram behind or with her husbands consent. Also one of your comments is about what they say on Discord…according to what I know they have been practicing dark sex magic which they believe will bring them power so I’m sure they are working things along these lines.
In Edinburgh, Scotland, watching. Enjoyed your video with Tokkie & looking forward to this installment. Really down to earth of you having Edwin on, his videos were my introduction to the dark truths around DA. But where so many online secretly use the work of other creators for clout, you've shown you're genuinely a humble guy & I for one totally appreciate how you've handled yourself & the DA situation.. Best of luck to you as you go more international
I'm glad you spoke with Edwin; I watched his videos on this topic back then, because Edwin really did comprehensive research on it. Edit: I don't know if Edwin covered the letters that Ninja sent Sony (it came out in the Sony Hack), but I couldn't believe that Ninja wrote a professional organization to pitch a movie or series, and the letter sounded like a thirteen-year-old kid wrote it, plus it covered so much disgusting stuff. I thought, "Wow, they're really like the personas they portray on their videos!" All this time, I had hoped they were the normal kind of idiots. No, they are pros at it, all the way. Anyway, I'm so glad someone is still following up. I suspect this couple has done some very bad to kids, and they need to be held accountable.
Literally a day after watching your Tokkie interview, I was at The Waterfront about a month ago. I paid for my parking ticket, and looked at the trio beside me and it was Ninja, Yolandi and a tall, blonde teenage girl with blue eyes. Ninja and Yolandi's style has changed drastically, but they were noticeable...He was wearing a white, baggy linen shirt and cargo pants, has a Jesus-like long hairstyle. Yolandi now has black hair, with braids (but like an anime character.) The teenage girl, I think was Tokkie's sister (not entirely sure, but she made eye contact with me and then she nervously walked away). They eventually drive away in their white Jeep.
I have become a huge zheanie fan ever since I first seen edwins videos back during covid. Now I love every song she has 🖤 found another gem named Jazmin Bean through her too.
As a South African citizen I have to admit that I'm a bit embarrassed to be associated with this band and that people from abroad see this as an "accurate" portrayal of our country, its people and our culture as a whole. Die Antwoord has dug their nails into the "shock factor" as much as possible and it is my personal opinion that they are making South Africans look like common, uneducated, perverted hillbillies. Really grinds my gears. I know I am probably going to get a lot of push-back for saying this. But so be it.
No one sees die antwoord and associates SA with it, the only sane comparison that comes to mind is batshit crazy psychos. Saw their set live @Tomorrowland and they got booed off stage. lol, apparently dj' ing wasn't as easy as they thought !
Every country has also evil people .No need for feeling embarrased for being South African. That group of lunatics does not representaatio the vast and beautiful country .
Thinking back to the period of time where I was a fan of DA after high school (about 10 years ago) and I feel so ashamed for being drawn in by their wicked imagery. It's so easy to be pulled into that which is outside of the norm, especially when you're young. I really feel for their victims. It's not surprising that all this is coming out now. Side note: Josh, coming across your channel has brought up a nice bit of nostalgia for me. My grandfather came from South Africa, and I really miss his accent sometimes. It's so pleasant to listen to yours! Love it when UA-cam gives me a good suggestion.
the moment zheani spoke out it ruined them for me. hearing tokkie just solidified my decision. i hope they’re doing better, they deserve so much better than this abuse
same here. She had an ABUNDANCE of proof to back her allegations and it was beyond obvious she was telling the truth. Glad Tokkie was also able to come forward and unfortunately I am not surprised by what he had to say at all. Those poor kids.
Love the content! definitely get the feeling that you're very well educated and know what you're doing. This channel is going to go far, please keep the content coming and don't give up! You are going to have SA's top Podcast soon. Keep pushing! - I don't know if anyone has gone this in depth about Die Antwoord. Very well done Sir!
Their fassade is trashed already, now people want a serious statement from them regarding extremely serious topics and accusations, and they are unwilling to give one. If Ninja and Yolandi want to do what they do THAT badly, whatever their choice I guess, but I just want authorities to check in on them to make shure the minors around them are protected from further abuse.
@@EarlyMist I didn't say it to be mean, if I wrote something wrong i'd want to be told so I could get it right next time? Ik dyslexia is a thing but still. Calm down.
Well yes they would need to do that but you have to understand that Antwoord lives in south-africa where is in line so many more acute cases before them (in everything). I think it's also quite easy for them to shush that kinda authority away because in the house are many adults that knows what story to tell. Yes still, I wouldn't be suprised by anything with these people and what happens in the house. I beleave Tookie but those are allegations at this point seen from authority pov from someone who stapped his brother. I'm just trying to say how hard it would be to get Six out of the house. Oh and I haven't even mentioned how they could most likely pribe their way out of it anyway. It isn't western world.
it wouldn’t surprise me if in a 5 years to a decade from now, either Yolandi or Ninja are going to try and blame it all on the other person after an irreparable fight. That they were being abused and everything that always happened was due to the other partner. But from an outside perspective, it genuinely sounds like they both love the thrill, the chaos, the drama, the toxicity. From Tokkie’s perspective of Yolandi’s off again / on again relationship with a literal murderer gang member where they commonly fought, to her laughing in the “assault aftermath” video. Ninja is usually the one being spoken about and i’ve seen a few comments on this vid and Tokkie’s about Yolandi being groomed by Ninja and that Ninja is The Big Bad. But women can be as fucked up and twisted as men too! I’d say they both are deep down tied to each other bc they would have so much dirt on each other, that if one person ever came out, the other would uno reverse flip them. I would bet on it they’ve had fights threatening to out the other person, out of spite or rage but ultimately they don’t as they reconcile. If they ARE truly into voodoo and the witchy stuff, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had blood oaths to one another and other “soul bonding” things too. This whole situation is just outright insane.
@@Discordia5Agreed, but sometimes It does seam like Ninja has Yolandi on a leash. You can see it in some of their interviews, he doesn't let her speak. But then again she's disgusting aswell and I think the only reason she sticks with him is because she has knowone else now she's been exposed too 😂😂
I always find funny how when famous people or influencers get into serious drama they always call the people who tell their story or people who expose them " Haters " but they really arent.
Bru, Ninja literally went to Parktown Boys. Super privileged. And they were in a band called Max Normal before Die Antwoord. Their zef persona is entirely insincere.
Ninja is just a spoiled master manipulator, poking and prodding people the right way to make chaos, and that way make people loyal to him and agree to do all kinds of things. Btw - Tokkie's donation source is not working anymore. Is it possible to get an update on that?
Taking Shrooms when you are in a bad mental state or in a bad place will take you to a level of extreme psychological pain. Yes, a place 100 times worse and utterly terrifying.
Any hallucinogen magnifies your feelings or thoughts prior to and while ingesting. I made the mistake of dropping acid right after a bad break up, hoping to escape the pain of my heartbreak, even if just for an evening... BAAAAAD idea!! I was stopped at my friend's door, and told that no, I was NOT going to go burn that homewrecking twat's house down, despite the overwhelming urge to walk the many miles to town to do just that!! It's not like me to be like that, normally, but it was an important lesson learned that night, soooo many years ago - just suffer thru those pains in life as nature intended or else they will rear their ugly heads, when you least need them to!
An ex girl friend dragged me to see them about years ago, I knew there was something not right with them, always puzzled about Ninja, seems over powering, controlling
Ninja looks eerily like my ex boyfriend who was extremely abusive. I always looked into ninja's eyes in photos and wondered how people couldn't recognize the evil in him....he had the same eyes as my ex. I just knew when I looked into ninja's eyes, something was very wrong. I feel reassured now knowing the truth about him has come out.
@@MAzurburg The eyes definitely gave something away. Also interesting is my ex never wanted me to wear sunglasses because he struggled to read my eyes.
With regards to the Zheani situation, I can see where Yolandi figures that Zheani called Sixteen gross. If you read the lyrics to Zheani's song, she states that Ninja has the hots for her, cause he says she looks like his daughter, to which she exclaims, "gross!". Much like texting, whereby things get lost in translation, I bet Yolandi isn't seeing that it's not Sixteen, who Zheani says is gross... It's Ninja's attraction to his daughter, that she sees as being gross. Now, my question in this: Does Yolandi not see that Ninja has a type, and that type clearly resembles his daughter? Or does she see thru Ninja's obsession but chooses not to acknowledge it? I wonder if she feels a pinch of relief when Ninja's attention is aimed towards some other chick, because as long as he's focusing on some other girl, he's not obsessing over their daughter...
@@NeoSelah Yeah, she does, but it's not that Z looking like Sixteen, that makes her say gross. It's the fact that Ninja IS Sixteen's father and despite that, he'd evidently fuck anything that resembles his daughter that is gross... Whatever... it's their circus, right?
It’s okay to “kink shame”. It’s shameful. They’re totally into the devil and people need to wake up to it. I used to be into them, but they’ll do anything for money. Pathetic, really.
I literally though about posting "it's OK to kink shame" a second before seeing this, lol. I'm not even Christian. Have nothing against kinks as such, it's also OK. Both is OK. Certain kinks though is definitely red flags, shaming is freedom of speech.
The fact that witchcraft is one of the major accusations against them just serves to invalidate all the other accusations xD just goes to show the type of nuts that'll eat this shit up
The weard thing ain't young but that she looks/looked like their daughter.. a lot. I'm not never wearded out hearing an artist having sex with someone young, back in the day Mick Jagger had openly a girlfriend that was 16. What people hear these days or have proof is just a tip of an iceberg. Ofc because of social media and todays culture those who do that kinda things are super carefull with it.
@@aleksisuuronen5969 i agree Alek but sometimes adding to or mocking the situation makes one look more innocent then fervently denying it. Creating too much versions about the thing... die antwoord and carefulness don't hang out much
Ben Jay is an angel for bringing this to light!! He harbors a lot of guilt and anger from being involved with DA. Hell i have guilt for being their fan. My heart goes out to him ❤
I just read an article saying Anies was shot and killed in 2020 and was with a 12 year old named Meisie who they referred to as his daughter when she is in fact Die Antwoord's adopted daughter. She was injured and was in a children's hospital. Meisie is Tokki's sister is she not?! Are there 2 Meisies? I don't think so. This is super fucked up.
Meisie means Girl in afrikaans. I think they where just referring to Anies's daughter as a girl. I also think Ninja might have something to do with the people that killed Anies, but it's none of my business 🤷♀️
For the record, a childhood friend of mine has been in a mental asylum for over 20 yrs because he never recovered from a mushroom trip here in Toronto. Sure, we were doing shrooms in and around age 15 but shame on all who dare to question the host about it being a serious drug or not.
I’m glad I’m out of a New Age cult. I was also a fan of DA til the stuff about Zheani came out. I’ve also become friends with Gabriel ( tokkie ) and at one point spoke with their backup dancer. She left them when the Z stuff was coming out.
@@hangingon occult is simply hidden knowledge. People can use that knowledge for good or bad. Occult knowledge is neither good nor bad in the same way a weapon is neither good nor bad. It can be used for self defense/protection OR with malicious intent. Knowledge is power. What we lack in knowledge can subsequently be used against us. I’d rather know than ignore and fall victim to the psychological games of others who possess more knowledge/power than me 😉✌️
Zheani was so brave for speaking out against DA, it’s horrible what she went through and the messages too ugh all so gross . I dunno how anyone had the nerve to give her crap online over speaking the truth ..AND DA had the nerve to try and antagonise her afterwards too posting shit online like she hadn’t already been through enough . Scum bags! Glad they’ve faded into obscurity. I love Zheanis latest work too, I regularly run to Napalm when I’m at the gym 🤣
Die antwood have been constantly going for shock value to not only stay relevant but also to change focus on the fact their “ mask “ has been slipping artistically. They are not ghetto or gangster as they want to appear .Not only this but more importantly it’s also to avoid any legal troubles they have created that may affect not only their brand but their very livelihood and freedoms ... I was a fan ..now i see thru their bullshit so much I can’t even enjoy the music anymore...thank you to both of you for bringing all these truths to light ..👊🏻🇦🇺❤️
They pretty much are ghetto though. One of the reasons I stopped listening to their music. Fact is they do in fact have contact with confirmed active members of gangland organizations, and the other fact is ninja and yolandi are both borish and trashy as hell. Not saying it makes them great but it also doesn't make them deserving of the literal witch trial going on here. Just because we outgrew this shit doesn't mean it's suddenly something it's not.
The comments you received on the shrooms are gutting. People who think these “natural” substances can’t do damage are delusional. You are the only podcast I have ever watched because you are in touch with reality and the difference between good and bad. Never feel “uncool” for pointing out what is wrong with the world. You’re exceptional at what you do!
Adding on to the angle of Ninja collecting witches: I assume that he was hoping to find another two women so that alongside yolandi they would be a full representation of the three-fold goddess opposing him as the one god. The point of doing this instead of training in meditation and ascending to become able to be the entire setup within oneself was likely that he cared more about mortal stuff than about magick afterall and if you half-ass this stuff, it takes you down eventually. I mean you can half-ass some stuff and pay the price for that but if you do it constantly while avoiding karma, you better be dead and alive at the same time already and if you have no idea how to get there, you just should not play with stuff like this. But it's a fallacy that chaos magick easily leads to: Being able to redefine anything you like for the purpose of rituals is neat but there are limits. If you work very chaotically, you might go crazy, so if you're planning to do such work, you need to first set up a mental system to quickly move you back into your most accurate perspective to analyze the situation and steer yourself out of it as well as different reset options that restore you to where you where before you got lost in that mental direction. I think you might actually need to study some stuff before you can do so, at the minimum you need to figure out a way to program your own mind and the mental skills to design software...
You should remember, that the most darkest force can, and often will present itself as a being or beings of the light. There is no such thing as "white magick", well, maybe as a consept, but the force behind it comes from the same low frequency source, as any other such power. True beings of high frequency abide by the rule of not affecting free will. You can ask for guidance yes, but any force that allowes itself to be harnessed to produce an effect in our reality, or is willing to bargain with you, just know that it's _always_ demonic.
Good thoughts. I feel like we would have things to discuss. He was rather close to the source at points during max normal days but very clearly wandered away from it.
Yolandi smiles after the "assault" by Andy Butler...They totally made that one up. Plus the light talking about it afterwards. Maybe they hated him and used #metoo against him. They forgot he is gay, why would he grab Yolandi? 🤦
Dude. Almost everyone in SA knows who Die Andwoord is. We just think they are garbage. Literally no one cares about their nonsense. There are far bigger SA musicians finding success internationally eg. Dave Matthews and Seether. I wish Waddy had stayed in his Max Normal character. There was so much potential.
I’m in Switzerland and I’ve found it quite bizarre that people DONT KNOW MORE about this! I remember when all this came out with thr girl who made a disstrack
It's not so strange that south Africa's biggest band internationally is rather fringe there. In Germany, only a few people listen to Rammstein too, even though internationally they are probably the most famous german band. I think Tokio Hotel which only some fringe teenage subgroup listened to in our country also made it quite big in Asia while likely you haven't even heard of absolute (local) legends like Herbert Grönemeyer or Die Ärzte or Marius-Müller Westernhagen or Die Toten Hosen. Especially with Grönemeyer you will hardly find a german who can't sing at least parts of his songs. But internationally, everyone knows Rammstein und Tokio Hotel more because they cater to a different audience. Similarly, Die Antwoord caters to a specific niche of western culture but not to local audiences. It's the way of the world currently.
Oh their getting Karma, don't worry. They keep getting removed from music festivals, are banned from entering Australia, all their kids have turned against them, most of their friends have left, they're losing so much money, they have gangs after them in South Africa who want to K*ll them and they hide out and keep moving homes in fear of their lifes. They also look extremely ugly now from all the stress 🤣🤣
That's so true about shrooms, that's how they're different from acid, which is much easier to control your emotions on. Only do these things in a happy environment and around good people.
“He” isn’t real, but evil is. You don’t need to fear some fake red guy with horns to understand humans can be evil, and should be held accountable for it.
Wasn't that a quote from the movie "Devil" ? That quote sits heavy in my head some days. My brother wants to be Satin. For real, he hurts people all the time and the cops or any kind of court won't do a darn thing to help the people he terrorizes
Thanks for covering all this, mate! Went ahead and removed their music from my library and am now happy I lost a CD copy of Donker Mag signed by Yolandi that an old friend had gifted me. Also, fuck those commenters talking about shrooms. I've done plenty of psychs and regularly smoke, but you don't push that shit on a developing mind, especially as a caregiver or guardian. Based on my life experiences, I think it should be physically impossible for anyone under 25 to use ANY psychedelics. Weed, as much as I love it, ruined my life. It truly was the gateway, not to other drugs, but to becoming a loser with half the brain cells I had when I started smoking 9 years ago at 17. ...I type, fighting my illness to smoke a little bit even though I know it'll make it take that much longer for me to get better.
One thing you could try is if there's an Orthodox church near you get baptized get holly water and take Holy Communion. This helped me get rid of a horrible smoking addiction.
The reason why it spread further than SA is because their act was believed as something real, whereas people who know Ninja from his early days know what an idiot he is anyway albeit many S.Africans fell for it too.
I had interacted with them many years ago when they weren't very popular and they responded to me very rudely. In the end, I had to block them as they accepted my friend request "remember this was so many years ago".
My ex met them at a spa she worked at in the Appalachian mountains. We were both huge fans and I was actually upset she didn’t attempt to ask for tickets for their upcoming show since they were sold out. They tipped her 100 dollars and dipped. I’m actually glad she didn’t ask now 😅
This is such a shame that DA are as abusive as they are. I loved their music and only discovered them after watching the film Chappie. It's such a shame that there are so many horrible people in the world.
I always found it fascinating that yolandi was raised by a Dutch reformed family a Dutch reformed pastor to be specific and she still turned out this way.
If something is pushed on you and you don't choose it yourself, often you go the extreme different side of it. For example, I was put in christian religion without really knowing what all of it is and just doing it because my family did and it was a thing. Then I ended up listening excactly to who..Die Antwoord. 🤷🏼♀️ And now as growing older and older I realize just HOW important it is to check the background of celeberties/idols you like or liked .. kinda sad in the end all of it meh
Yeh, she reckons she wasn't always a rich bitch she used to be a poor girl & makes it look like she was starved, molested & never had food, toilet paper & other necessities
@@susannahmindurown and to think that poor souls who REALLY went through such bad situations look up to her ya know & think they can relate like at some points I don't have words no more for all this ..
im sure your aware pastors (and by extent clergyman of any religión) have a long history of abusing their positions as spiritual and moral leaders. The awful PR of catholic priests being prime example
Back in the 00s when I was making rock and metal music regularly, I so often got pointed towards DA - people would tell me I'd dig it...I couldn't get past the bad energy and it seems I was right.
Zheani is pretty awesome, and a real one. She put out a new album months ago. Check out her songs and videos for NAPALM, and F**K THE HOLLYWOOD CULT. 🖤
Wow Ben’s art is absolutely amazing! I really do hope he sells his art. This was such a well produced video. The quality is fantastic! I also feel like the conversation really flowed between you two, which made an easy listen! I was sad when it was over haha. You both work together so well.
I first started listening to them in 2009-2010 in America, found out about their story, but throughout the years heard more and more gross things about them stopped listening years ago probably not long after I got into them. I also heard about the girl, zheani, i saw everything there was to see about when it came out. I saw your first video to this too, I don’t understand is there no justice in S. Africa?? Are they above the law there?
Ok from what I've gathered so far, haven’t watched this through all the way but did see pt 1. But I think it's that they just tweaked out on ice. They're behavior is very similar to meth behavior. People tweaked out always act like they're on camera or someone is watching even when no one is around and as well as being manipulative and so on.
I love south Africa, lived all over the western Cape but mostly in Obs, CT and Plettenberg Bay. Serenity care centre in Sedgefield got me clean. I'm relieved I wasn't forced to go to Noupoort rehab!! I miss SA!! Great show!! 💯
I have always had a serious problem with this group. Gave me the chills. And it's not because they're strange. I've got a strange taste in music. They opened for RHCP, and I ensured I arrived later to avoid them. This isn't a good advert for the actual talent that does exist in SA.
I only discovered them from the movie Chappie. I heard the song Enter the Ninja. I liked the song. It was something different and the style was kind of off center. That’s the only way I can explain it. Then I started checking more of there music and who they were. Then I realized that they have some major issues. For a band that could be more, their behavior and mentality has really overshadowed their music. I stoped listening to them almost immediately. I hate to say this and hope it doesn’t happen. But I wouldn’t be surprised to find out 10 years from now that besides vanishing from music that they were found living in the streets. Like a bomb ready to go off. The question is not if but when. It seems they are their worst enemy and obstacle to their success and happiness. I usually just skip any type of videos regarding them because it’s always the same stuff basically. They don’t seem to be able to self correct their trajectory. I watched this video and I was right. Same old stuff. Not regarding your content but them.
man - saw your tokkie interview and I must say with the thumbnails you post here dude you are also just trying to use the shock to get clicks - good on you for posting his Paypal link though.
Geez now I feel messed up I was 14 smoking weed. First time I did mushrooms I was 26. Only other thing I have touched is ecstasy, but because of my addictive personality I stopped those after a couple times.
I was an early adopter of their music going back to Max Normal. I feel almost guilty for sharing it with so many people. I was a big part of their early online community etc and had friends connected directly to the band. It felt like an exciting time for music but in hindsight none of it was worth it.
The only time it's helpful to blame the victim is when you are personally taking responsibility for what you've been through. BUT not believing an accusation is not the same as victim blaming
I would like to say a few things I had discovered Die Antwood years ago I discovered zhealani maybe about a year ago but it was not in correlation to die antwood I came across her all on my own I often ask the universe to provide for me the kind of music that I need and it provided me with Zhealani that being said her song " I won't sell my soul" if you guys have not heard it check it out it really from my perspective seems to play a part in the story and I believe that she was interested in music long before Die Antwood, she's got a natural knack for it it's probably something she'd been wanting to do for a long time but because of die Antwoord she was able to you know through them get a name out for herself so that's through her it was all done through her little puppets they were for her!!! And the funny thing is Diane what thought it was going to be the opposite way around that they were going to be puppeting her how cute!
Hey everyone, I've had a lot to deal with these past few weeks and I'm sorry for not posting. I hope you enjoy this episode and if you do don't forget to leave a Like and Subscribe! ❤
Sorry to hear Josh, hope everything is better now.
No need to apologise.
Thank you for the content you have given us (:
Hope you are feeling okay! Sending pure love,light and happiness your way 💕 Thank you for all that you do 🌞
How do I get in touch with you?
I know where they are currently staying so your message makes total sense
I’m glad people are finally taking Zheanie’s story seriously. I’m glad that Tokkie came forward and I hope they’re both healing from the trauma. I do feel pretty disappointed that Zheanie got so much hate despite all the evidence she had, but now everyone believes her because Tokkie came forward as well. I was following the Die Antwoord subreddit around the time Zheanie’s story was unfolding, and she’d actually post in there and get downvoted/insulted into oblivion before she was eventually banned. It took a lot of courage for her to come forward and she was met with abuse and gaslighting. I really hope she’s doing better now.
I’m ashamed to say at first I didn’t believe Zheani but I still felt the power imbalance was off and completely inappropriate, in hindsight I believe everything she said.
Absolutely
Yup still don't buy it. Gabriel jumping in to get a piece of the pie didn't make me believe it more, it made me believe less
there's nothing to "believe" or disbelieve.. she was uncomfortable. that's her.. she wasn't r@p3d or anything like that.. she said so herself.
@@Dewey_Boondye420 funny enough she also said she was
Instantly snapped out of being a DA fan when all this came out. Thank you for exposing their nonsense. Utter poser tools.
Mate your a Poser. Just another follower.
Kook
Wow you’re easily manipulated and propagandized 😂😂 what major music artist doesn’t have some wild career lmfao full of good and bad relations.. man.. FTW
@@weslegna I think you have to be a bit young and a bit dumb and a bit “edgy” to get in to them in the first place. So to mature is to snap out of that. This just helped expose what terrible people they were, and then I kind of realized that I was over it anyway. You’ll get there too. :)
@@CazHbokbok I hope never to get to a place where I just believe anyone who says a thing. 🐑
@@mstreech a thing evidenced by footage. a bit different dont you think?
Thank you so much for having Edwin on!!! I found out about all of DA's insane history from him years ago and watched your Toki video when it was released. It's great to see it come full circle! Please continue shining light on the insidious darkness that is Die Antword.
They’re not quiet they’re really active in their own discord server where they go by religious names. Ninja calls himself “Babaji” and they post all day and night on the discord trying to get their fans to follow their “truth” and feel “enlightenment”. They’re really big on “enlightenment”. It’s really culty and scary honestly
Yeah I worked with him in Joburg at a health food store where he went around dressed as a yogi and worked for the owners who had their own ashram in Yeoville.. he was such a faker and from here developed his sexual guru magic philosophies..at the time his name was Gangi….
@@ape72patch1 oh nooo seriously? He says some really really weird stuff on the discord and all the fans just go along with it. I can’t even follow what the hell any of them are saying. See, I was a fan when they first came out and since then I’ve gotten older, realized all of the red flags and I saw everything play out first hand when zheani called them out. I hopped in the discord bc I wanted to know what they were saying to the people who are still dedicated to them and sure enough, it’s all very culty and if you pay $10 a month, you get access to video calls w them and special content, and access to concerts.
@@Wakenbaketv yeah... I knew him when he was Yang weapon and Gangi for his yogi personality...we went with him to a show and he came home with a random girl behind his girlfriend's back...meanwhile at work he would always be holier than thou with his fake beliefs... We knew immediately what kind of person he was.... He's just an egotistical man who wants to get away with as much as possible and dress it up as something else...
@@ape72patch1 that makes sense with watkin and anris many many “personas” they’ve had since the 90s. All those different rap groups. Like max normal and max normal tv, the constructus corporation, the real estate agents etc
@@Wakenbaketv yeah he’s always been looking to create a character that he can sell… if you google ‘GG Allin and ninja ‘ I think there’s an image that shows how they just copied GG Allins look. By copying this they thought GG Allin was long enough ago for people not to notice.They also copied the way GG used to be offensive … basically he is on interscope records, or was ,so the whole thing was more developed than his own ideas (Watkins not Allin). But essentially he is a flawed character that needs personas to exist. He once barged into a Rasta commune in Alexandria and told the Rastas there he wanted to join them ,they said no and he was asked to leave. This kind of links to his need to be part of something spiritual which from what I know started with some positive religions like the people in the Ashram and then trying to join a Rasta community. Also there was talks and indication he was having sex with the female leader of the Ashram behind or with her husbands consent. Also one of your comments is about what they say on Discord…according to what I know they have been practicing dark sex magic which they believe will bring them power so I’m sure they are working things along these lines.
In Edinburgh, Scotland, watching. Enjoyed your video with Tokkie & looking forward to this installment. Really down to earth of you having Edwin on, his videos were my introduction to the dark truths around DA. But where so many online secretly use the work of other creators for clout, you've shown you're genuinely a humble guy & I for one totally appreciate how you've handled yourself & the DA situation.. Best of luck to you as you go more international
Hello fellow Edinburgh person!
I'm glad you spoke with Edwin; I watched his videos on this topic back then, because Edwin really did comprehensive research on it. Edit: I don't know if Edwin covered the letters that Ninja sent Sony (it came out in the Sony Hack), but I couldn't believe that Ninja wrote a professional organization to pitch a movie or series, and the letter sounded like a thirteen-year-old kid wrote it, plus it covered so much disgusting stuff. I thought, "Wow, they're really like the personas they portray on their videos!" All this time, I had hoped they were the normal kind of idiots. No, they are pros at it, all the way. Anyway, I'm so glad someone is still following up. I suspect this couple has done some very bad to kids, and they need to be held accountable.
yes he did cover those letters haha
Edwin and 24 hour news were really the only ones covering how fucked DA is
A nd it should be important to keep away from Kids in the future .
Literally a day after watching your Tokkie interview, I was at The Waterfront about a month ago. I paid for my parking ticket, and looked at the trio beside me and it was Ninja, Yolandi and a tall, blonde teenage girl with blue eyes. Ninja and Yolandi's style has changed drastically, but they were noticeable...He was wearing a white, baggy linen shirt and cargo pants, has a Jesus-like long hairstyle. Yolandi now has black hair, with braids (but like an anime character.) The teenage girl, I think was Tokkie's sister (not entirely sure, but she made eye contact with me and then she nervously walked away). They eventually drive away in their white Jeep.
Where was this?
@@Itsachapel seems like vna waterfront, cpt
@@Itsachapel yeah The Waterfront is a popular mall in Cape Town, South Africa
Could the teen have being Sixteen their daughter?
@@StarDemz now that I'm looking at pictures of Sixteen it could have been her, only thing is her eyes are green and this girl had more light blue eyes
I have become a huge zheanie fan ever since I first seen edwins videos back during covid. Now I love every song she has 🖤 found another gem named Jazmin Bean through her too.
As a South African citizen I have to admit that I'm a bit embarrassed to be associated with this band and that people from abroad see this as an "accurate" portrayal of our country, its people and our culture as a whole. Die Antwoord has dug their nails into the "shock factor" as much as possible and it is my personal opinion that they are making South Africans look like common, uneducated, perverted hillbillies. Really grinds my gears. I know I am probably going to get a lot of push-back for saying this. But so be it.
Would not worry about it..
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No one sees die antwoord and associates SA with it, the only sane comparison that comes to mind is batshit crazy psychos.
Saw their set live @Tomorrowland and they got booed off stage. lol, apparently dj' ing wasn't as easy as they thought !
Every country has also evil people .No need for feeling embarrased for being South African. That group of lunatics does not representaatio the vast and beautiful country .
We here in Finland have a group of evils too .Every country does . Tokkie is a great representaation of big hearted , loving people in your country .
Thinking back to the period of time where I was a fan of DA after high school (about 10 years ago) and I feel so ashamed for being drawn in by their wicked imagery. It's so easy to be pulled into that which is outside of the norm, especially when you're young. I really feel for their victims. It's not surprising that all this is coming out now.
Side note: Josh, coming across your channel has brought up a nice bit of nostalgia for me. My grandfather came from South Africa, and I really miss his accent sometimes. It's so pleasant to listen to yours! Love it when UA-cam gives me a good suggestion.
the moment zheani spoke out it ruined them for me. hearing tokkie just solidified my decision. i hope they’re doing better, they deserve so much better than this abuse
She was a sex worker who arranged to hook up with ninja 🐑
same here. She had an ABUNDANCE of proof to back her allegations and it was beyond obvious she was telling the truth. Glad Tokkie was also able to come forward and unfortunately I am not surprised by what he had to say at all. Those poor kids.
Love the content! definitely get the feeling that you're very well educated and know what you're doing. This channel is going to go far, please keep the content coming and don't give up! You are going to have SA's top Podcast soon. Keep pushing!
- I don't know if anyone has gone this in depth about Die Antwoord. Very well done Sir!
Their fassade is trashed already, now people want a serious statement from them regarding extremely serious topics and accusations, and they are unwilling to give one. If Ninja and Yolandi want to do what they do THAT badly, whatever their choice I guess, but I just want authorities to check in on them to make shure the minors around them are protected from further abuse.
Facade (:
@@Shitposter-yp7dj you missed another one
@@Shitposter-yp7dj "We got a Grammar Nazi in Aisle 5 people! AISLE 5!!!!"
@@EarlyMist I didn't say it to be mean, if I wrote something wrong i'd want to be told so I could get it right next time? Ik dyslexia is a thing but still. Calm down.
Well yes they would need to do that but you have to understand that Antwoord lives in south-africa where is in line so many more acute cases before them (in everything). I think it's also quite easy for them to shush that kinda authority away because in the house are many adults that knows what story to tell. Yes still, I wouldn't be suprised by anything with these people and what happens in the house. I beleave Tookie but those are allegations at this point seen from authority pov from someone who stapped his brother. I'm just trying to say how hard it would be to get Six out of the house. Oh and I haven't even mentioned how they could most likely pribe their way out of it anyway. It isn't western world.
it wouldn’t surprise me if in a 5 years to a decade from now, either Yolandi or Ninja are going to try and blame it all on the other person after an irreparable fight. That they were being abused and everything that always happened was due to the other partner. But from an outside perspective, it genuinely sounds like they both love the thrill, the chaos, the drama, the toxicity. From Tokkie’s perspective of Yolandi’s off again / on again relationship with a literal murderer gang member where they commonly fought, to her laughing in the “assault aftermath” video. Ninja is usually the one being spoken about and i’ve seen a few comments on this vid and Tokkie’s about Yolandi being groomed by Ninja and that Ninja is The Big Bad. But women can be as fucked up and twisted as men too! I’d say they both are deep down tied to each other bc they would have so much dirt on each other, that if one person ever came out, the other would uno reverse flip them. I would bet on it they’ve had fights threatening to out the other person, out of spite or rage but ultimately they don’t as they reconcile. If they ARE truly into voodoo and the witchy stuff, it wouldn’t surprise me if they had blood oaths to one another and other “soul bonding” things too. This whole situation is just outright insane.
Nah, they're probably soul mates for life. Two nearly identical pieces of the same gross pie.
@@Discordia5Agreed, but sometimes It does seam like Ninja has Yolandi on a leash. You can see it in some of their interviews, he doesn't let her speak. But then again she's disgusting aswell and I think the only reason she sticks with him is because she has knowone else now she's been exposed too 😂😂
@@Discordia5 Yolandi is pretty much perfect example of victim turned villain.
@@Some_Guy6 when was the victim part? I must’ve missed that
The collab I never knew I needed!! Let’s go Edwin!!!!! 🥳🥳🥳
I always find funny how when famous people or influencers get into serious drama they always call the people who tell their story or people who expose them " Haters " but they really arent.
I think it's how they tell the story. There's telling it then talking trash while telling it. That's called hating
Bru, Ninja literally went to Parktown Boys. Super privileged. And they were in a band called Max Normal before Die Antwoord. Their zef persona is entirely insincere.
Ninja is just a spoiled master manipulator, poking and prodding people the right way to make chaos, and that way make people loyal to him and agree to do all kinds of things.
Btw - Tokkie's donation source is not working anymore. Is it possible to get an update on that?
So you know Ninja personally to verify all that?
Where are all the criminal charges?
@@mstreech shh if you make too much sense you'll spook them. This here is a bona-fide witch trial and we may not get the chance to see it again
@@mstreech your comment will not age well…
Taking Shrooms when you are in a bad mental state or in a bad place will take you to a level of extreme psychological pain. Yes, a place 100 times worse and utterly terrifying.
Any hallucinogen magnifies your feelings or thoughts prior to and while ingesting. I made the mistake of dropping acid right after a bad break up, hoping to escape the pain of my heartbreak, even if just for an evening... BAAAAAD idea!! I was stopped at my friend's door, and told that no, I was NOT going to go burn that homewrecking twat's house down, despite the overwhelming urge to walk the many miles to town to do just that!! It's not like me to be like that, normally, but it was an important lesson learned that night, soooo many years ago - just suffer thru those pains in life as nature intended or else they will rear their ugly heads, when you least need them to!
Can. Not will.
@@antonioyeats2149 Nice catch! Yes, my mistake... Can. Not will.
Wow, never. Knew that. Lucky u said I was about take 1000 mushies cos my gran passed. Dingller
@@elliotspencer5300 Start smaller!! Like... 🤔 500, maybe? 🤪🤣
Shout out to both y'all. Edwin good to see you man!!! I watched the other vid part 1 it was a good interview man. Both you guys do great work!
An ex girl friend dragged me to see them about years ago, I knew there was something not right with them, always puzzled about Ninja, seems over powering, controlling
Ninja looks eerily like my ex boyfriend who was extremely abusive. I always looked into ninja's eyes in photos and wondered how people couldn't recognize the evil in him....he had the same eyes as my ex. I just knew when I looked into ninja's eyes, something was very wrong. I feel reassured now knowing the truth about him has come out.
He looks like someone I didn't like in the past too! Let's get him!
Cool name! 😎👍💯
Interesting. They say you can recognize sociopathy in peoples eyes
I've always had a similar response to Yolandi. She makes me uncomfortable and angry every time I look at her or hear her.
@@MAzurburg The eyes definitely gave something away. Also interesting is my ex never wanted me to wear sunglasses because he struggled to read my eyes.
With regards to the Zheani situation, I can see where Yolandi figures that Zheani called Sixteen gross. If you read the lyrics to Zheani's song, she states that Ninja has the hots for her, cause he says she looks like his daughter, to which she exclaims, "gross!". Much like texting, whereby things get lost in translation, I bet Yolandi isn't seeing that it's not Sixteen, who Zheani says is gross... It's Ninja's attraction to his daughter, that she sees as being gross. Now, my question in this: Does Yolandi not see that Ninja has a type, and that type clearly resembles his daughter? Or does she see thru Ninja's obsession but chooses not to acknowledge it? I wonder if she feels a pinch of relief when Ninja's attention is aimed towards some other chick, because as long as he's focusing on some other girl, he's not obsessing over their daughter...
But she looks like their daughter..
@@NeoSelah sshhhh don't make too much sense
@@NeoSelah Yeah, she does, but it's not that Z looking like Sixteen, that makes her say gross. It's the fact that Ninja IS Sixteen's father and despite that, he'd evidently fuck anything that resembles his daughter that is gross... Whatever... it's their circus, right?
It’s okay to “kink shame”. It’s shameful. They’re totally into the devil and people need to wake up to it. I used to be into them, but they’ll do anything for money. Pathetic, really.
I literally though about posting "it's OK to kink shame" a second before seeing this, lol. I'm not even Christian. Have nothing against kinks as such, it's also OK. Both is OK. Certain kinks though is definitely red flags, shaming is freedom of speech.
Grooming and coercion is not a kink, it’s rape.
The fact that witchcraft is one of the major accusations against them just serves to invalidate all the other accusations xD just goes to show the type of nuts that'll eat this shit up
@Chrry Cola yeah clearly
lmao "the devil" cmon enough with the ghost stories he isn't even real like the tooth fairy
Maybe there was an element of the young girl being pretty and him wanting to take advantage. They take advantage of vulnerable people, let's face it.
I really think there's more to it than meets the eye honey
@@bobbybrown5217 are you South African Bobby?
The weard thing ain't young but that she looks/looked like their daughter.. a lot. I'm not never wearded out hearing an artist having sex with someone young, back in the day Mick Jagger had openly a girlfriend that was 16. What people hear these days or have proof is just a tip of an iceberg. Ofc because of social media and todays culture those who do that kinda things are super carefull with it.
@@ChildofGod-g8f i am not, don't know if i should say sorry though... have a good one✌️
@@aleksisuuronen5969 i agree Alek but sometimes adding to or mocking the situation makes one look more innocent then fervently denying it. Creating too much versions about the thing... die antwoord and carefulness don't hang out much
Ben Jay is an angel for bringing this to light!! He harbors a lot of guilt and anger from being involved with DA. Hell i have guilt for being their fan. My heart goes out to him ❤
I just read an article saying Anies was shot and killed in 2020 and was with a 12 year old named Meisie who they referred to as his daughter when she is in fact Die Antwoord's adopted daughter. She was injured and was in a children's hospital. Meisie is Tokki's sister is she not?! Are there 2 Meisies? I don't think so. This is super fucked up.
Meisie means Girl in afrikaans. I think they where just referring to Anies's daughter as a girl. I also think Ninja might have something to do with the people that killed Anies, but it's none of my business 🤷♀️
Witchcraft and all that aside....drugs people. A shit load of drugs.
Both are usually combined my friend. Meaning hard drugs not THC.
The dynamic between Yolandi and Ninja seems like the White Stripes. A man who uses women, and his ride or die “sister” who loves him
Nice! I was just looking to see if Edwin had recently done a video on this case, happy to see him pop up.
For the record, a childhood friend of mine has been in a mental asylum for over 20 yrs because he never recovered from a mushroom trip here in Toronto. Sure, we were doing shrooms in and around age 15 but shame on all who dare to question the host about it being a serious drug or not.
That's horrible. That's why I don't consent to sex with strangers before getting high. Unless I'm sure I'm getting the record deal
everyone has the same friend stuck in an asylum or dead bc or shrooms, BS!!
I really didn't expect to see Edwin Costa here. Great work guys. 🔥👏
I’m glad I’m out of a New Age cult. I was also a fan of DA til the stuff about Zheani came out. I’ve also become friends with Gabriel ( tokkie ) and at one point spoke with their backup dancer. She left them when the Z stuff was coming out.
Good for you for getting out before it was to late. Way to many people are lost in some formbof the occult (aka New Age)
I love other people tell us what to like and what not to like by peddling stories that earn them money! It's one of life's truest blessings.
I recommend the channels Father Spyridon and Josiah Trenham. There's also a great video on getting rid of occult objects by Steven Bankarz.
@@hangingon occult is simply hidden knowledge. People can use that knowledge for good or bad. Occult knowledge is neither good nor bad in the same way a weapon is neither good nor bad. It can be used for self defense/protection OR with malicious intent. Knowledge is power. What we lack in knowledge can subsequently be used against us. I’d rather know than ignore and fall victim to the psychological games of others who possess more knowledge/power than me 😉✌️
Makes me wonder what Yonlandi's experience was with him in the beginning because I think she was also young and rebellious when they met...
She was defo groomed by him. Ninja met Yolandi when she was a vunerable teenager
Zheani was so brave for speaking out against DA, it’s horrible what she went through and the messages too ugh all so gross . I dunno how anyone had the nerve to give her crap online over speaking the truth ..AND DA had the nerve to try and antagonise her afterwards too posting shit online like she hadn’t already been through enough . Scum bags! Glad they’ve faded into obscurity.
I love Zheanis latest work too, I regularly run to Napalm when I’m at the gym 🤣
Die antwood have been constantly going for shock value to not only stay relevant but also to change focus on the fact their “ mask “ has been slipping artistically. They are not ghetto or gangster as they want to appear .Not only this but more importantly it’s also to avoid any legal troubles they have created that may affect not only their brand but their very livelihood and freedoms ... I was a fan ..now i see thru their bullshit so much I can’t even enjoy the music anymore...thank you to both of you for bringing all these truths to light ..👊🏻🇦🇺❤️
They pretty much are ghetto though. One of the reasons I stopped listening to their music. Fact is they do in fact have contact with confirmed active members of gangland organizations, and the other fact is ninja and yolandi are both borish and trashy as hell. Not saying it makes them great but it also doesn't make them deserving of the literal witch trial going on here.
Just because we outgrew this shit doesn't mean it's suddenly something it's not.
Look how yolandi pulls down her pants to show her behind or cochie it all about shock value just as u said
The comments you received on the shrooms are gutting. People who think these “natural” substances can’t do damage are delusional. You are the only podcast I have ever watched because you are in touch with reality and the difference between good and bad. Never feel “uncool” for pointing out what is wrong with the world. You’re exceptional at what you do!
Adding on to the angle of Ninja collecting witches: I assume that he was hoping to find another two women so that alongside yolandi they would be a full representation of the three-fold goddess opposing him as the one god. The point of doing this instead of training in meditation and ascending to become able to be the entire setup within oneself was likely that he cared more about mortal stuff than about magick afterall and if you half-ass this stuff, it takes you down eventually. I mean you can half-ass some stuff and pay the price for that but if you do it constantly while avoiding karma, you better be dead and alive at the same time already and if you have no idea how to get there, you just should not play with stuff like this. But it's a fallacy that chaos magick easily leads to: Being able to redefine anything you like for the purpose of rituals is neat but there are limits. If you work very chaotically, you might go crazy, so if you're planning to do such work, you need to first set up a mental system to quickly move you back into your most accurate perspective to analyze the situation and steer yourself out of it as well as different reset options that restore you to where you where before you got lost in that mental direction. I think you might actually need to study some stuff before you can do so, at the minimum you need to figure out a way to program your own mind and the mental skills to design software...
You should remember, that the most darkest force can, and often will present itself as a being or beings of the light. There is no such thing as "white magick", well, maybe as a consept, but the force behind it comes from the same low frequency source, as any other such power. True beings of high frequency abide by the rule of not affecting free will. You can ask for guidance yes, but any force that allowes itself to be harnessed to produce an effect in our reality, or is willing to bargain with you, just know that it's _always_ demonic.
Good thoughts. I feel like we would have things to discuss.
He was rather close to the source at points during max normal days but very clearly wandered away from it.
The taoists talk of poison fire tainting the heart-. He clearly has this problem
what the hell are yall talking about? you know magic isnt real right?
@@JesseS. chaos magick and magic aren't the same thing lol
Im a viewer from Indiana in the united states. really like your podcasts!
Yolandi smiles after the "assault" by Andy Butler...They totally made that one up. Plus the light talking about it afterwards. Maybe they hated him and used #metoo against him. They forgot he is gay, why would he grab Yolandi? 🤦
They knew he was gay they were chasing him yelling things at him
@@TaylorWilson2112 which is probably the reason for the lynch mob.
Bro I literally just sat down, you've made my evening 💜
I’m love that you found each other. Great chat. Now its a 2 in 1 deal🎉❤
Edwin is how I learned about all this, so, the circle is complete 🤣
Dude. Almost everyone in SA knows who Die Andwoord is. We just think they are garbage. Literally no one cares about their nonsense.
There are far bigger SA musicians finding success internationally eg. Dave Matthews and Seether.
I wish Waddy had stayed in his Max Normal character. There was so much potential.
Love me some Seether
Gotta agree about the max normal comment
or... the constructs corporation :( The Ziggurat is one of the best albums I have heard so far.
P.S Are you daisy? :D
I have not even started watching this and I am so excited! I watched Edwins series on DieAntwoord and it was fascinating!
I watched it too. I had the opposite impression.
I’m in Switzerland and I’ve found it quite bizarre that people DONT KNOW MORE about this! I remember when all this came out with thr girl who made a disstrack
I love Edwin it’s nice to see him here
My heart bleeds for toktokkie
Thoroughly enjoyed this. The video with the homophobia should have a content warning -violence.
They hit someone?
It's not so strange that south Africa's biggest band internationally is rather fringe there. In Germany, only a few people listen to Rammstein too, even though internationally they are probably the most famous german band. I think Tokio Hotel which only some fringe teenage subgroup listened to in our country also made it quite big in Asia while likely you haven't even heard of absolute (local) legends like Herbert Grönemeyer or Die Ärzte or Marius-Müller Westernhagen or Die Toten Hosen. Especially with Grönemeyer you will hardly find a german who can't sing at least parts of his songs. But internationally, everyone knows Rammstein und Tokio Hotel more because they cater to a different audience. Similarly, Die Antwoord caters to a specific niche of western culture but not to local audiences. It's the way of the world currently.
It seems fitting. All the fans in us i know are also middleclass ppl that want to look hardcore.lmao
Yasssss! ….. love 💜 you guys. Your coverage of this has been exceptional xx
I watched alot of Edwin's videos, my only concern is they are not held accountable and it's really frustrating
Oh their getting Karma, don't worry. They keep getting removed from music festivals, are banned from entering Australia, all their kids have turned against them, most of their friends have left, they're losing so much money, they have gangs after them in South Africa who want to K*ll them and they hide out and keep moving homes in fear of their lifes. They also look extremely ugly now from all the stress 🤣🤣
That's so true about shrooms, that's how they're different from acid, which is much easier to control your emotions on. Only do these things in a happy environment and around good people.
The greatest trick of the devil was convincing people he wasn't real. . . .
“He” isn’t real, but evil is. You don’t need to fear some fake red guy with horns to understand humans can be evil, and should be held accountable for it.
@@DeltaAsherHill• You are so well informed 👏
And the greatest trick of religion is convincing everyone you can't ridicule the idea
You type it super wrong but yes.
Wasn't that a quote from the movie "Devil" ? That quote sits heavy in my head some days. My brother wants to be Satin. For real, he hurts people all the time and the cops or any kind of court won't do a darn thing to help the people he terrorizes
been hoping this would get more attention and people would finally believe zheani, i fucking love it
Loving your channel, thank you.
YES EDWIN!!! He is how I found out about Die Antwoord
Thanks for covering all this, mate! Went ahead and removed their music from my library and am now happy I lost a CD copy of Donker Mag signed by Yolandi that an old friend had gifted me. Also, fuck those commenters talking about shrooms. I've done plenty of psychs and regularly smoke, but you don't push that shit on a developing mind, especially as a caregiver or guardian. Based on my life experiences, I think it should be physically impossible for anyone under 25 to use ANY psychedelics. Weed, as much as I love it, ruined my life. It truly was the gateway, not to other drugs, but to becoming a loser with half the brain cells I had when I started smoking 9 years ago at 17.
...I type, fighting my illness to smoke a little bit even though I know it'll make it take that much longer for me to get better.
One thing you could try is if there's an Orthodox church near you get baptized get holly water and take Holy Communion. This helped me get rid of a horrible smoking addiction.
The reason why it spread further than SA is because their act was believed as something real, whereas people who know Ninja from his early days know what an idiot he is anyway albeit many S.Africans fell for it too.
I was introduced to die antwoord when MTV news covered them when they had first become known in like the mid 2000's.
At last my 2 favourite UA-camrs!!
Ye, any updates on Tockkie. Can you get him back on? Any news on his sister?
Ninja drives a high end toyota SUV and lives in camps bay. They have never lived in the streets
Cool video, could you please make one more video on their magic practices please? Thank you, best regards, Kristyna from Czech Republic 😉
Hey Josh, i enjoy your content brother, hope your channel goes from strength to strength.
I had interacted with them many years ago when they weren't very popular and they responded to me very rudely. In the end, I had to block them as they accepted my friend request "remember this was so many years ago".
Looking forward to this one.
It's a really great episode. Edwin is awesome!!!
My ex met them at a spa she worked at in the Appalachian mountains. We were both huge fans and I was actually upset she didn’t attempt to ask for tickets for their upcoming show since they were sold out. They tipped her 100 dollars and dipped. I’m actually glad she didn’t ask now 😅
This is such a shame that DA are as abusive as they are. I loved their music and only discovered them after watching the film Chappie. It's such a shame that there are so many horrible people in the world.
Usually talented people are bad people, not saying they're talented but you get my point
@@ItsOKtobeNormal Not all of us. I'd like to think I'm a good person...and I do pretty well with my music career. 🤷♀
Yaaay so happy for this collab!!!
I always found it fascinating that yolandi was raised by a Dutch reformed family a Dutch reformed pastor to be specific and she still turned out this way.
If something is pushed on you and you don't choose it yourself, often you go the extreme different side of it.
For example, I was put in christian religion without really knowing what all of it is and just doing it because my family did and it was a thing.
Then I ended up listening excactly to who..Die Antwoord. 🤷🏼♀️
And now as growing older and older I realize just HOW important it is to check the background of celeberties/idols you like or liked .. kinda sad in the end all of it meh
Yeh, she reckons she wasn't always a rich bitch she used to be a poor girl & makes it look like she was starved, molested & never had food, toilet paper & other necessities
@@susannahmindurown and to think that poor souls who REALLY went through such bad situations look up to her ya know & think they can relate
like at some points I don't have words no more for all this ..
im sure your aware pastors (and by extent clergyman of any religión) have a long history of abusing their positions as spiritual and moral leaders. The awful PR of catholic priests being prime example
Just look up Aleister Crowley. 🤷♀️ extremism in any form forces the opposite to come to light.
Back in the 00s when I was making rock and metal music regularly, I so often got pointed towards DA - people would tell me I'd dig it...I couldn't get past the bad energy and it seems I was right.
Ya they just came off weird as fuck
zheany looked like 16, that's why
100%
I would love a podcast with ninja himself that would be very entertaining🤣🤣
Zheani is pretty awesome, and a real one. She put out a new album months ago. Check out her songs and videos for NAPALM, and F**K THE HOLLYWOOD CULT. 🖤
Love this channel. Thanks for the content.👁💯🇬🇧
pleasantly surprised to find this in my suggested videos
Wow Ben’s art is absolutely amazing! I really do hope he sells his art.
This was such a well produced video. The quality is fantastic! I also feel like the conversation really flowed between you two, which made an easy listen! I was sad when it was over haha. You both work together so well.
After seeing the Tokki Interveiw I thought Edwin has to hear this
I first started listening to them in 2009-2010 in America, found out about their story, but throughout the years heard more and more gross things about them stopped listening years ago probably not long after I got into them. I also heard about the girl, zheani, i saw everything there was to see about when it came out. I saw your first video to this too, I don’t understand is there no justice in S. Africa?? Are they above the law there?
It's a money talks and bullsh!t walks, kind of system there... Have u not seen the video Baita Jou Sabela ft Slagysta?
this could easily have been 15 mins.
I used to know Flash from their group, she was the girl’s best friend and she was on tour with them as a DJ
Edwin is so goddamn awkward. His expressions are so interesting. I honestly love him to pieces 😂.
I really enjoy your podcasts! bravo!
Ok from what I've gathered so far, haven’t watched this through all the way but did see pt 1. But I think it's that they just tweaked out on ice. They're behavior is very similar to meth behavior. People tweaked out always act like they're on camera or someone is watching even when no one is around and as well as being manipulative and so on.
Zheani is a major cutie and nice person, I met her in Sydney. Can't believe that creepy old ice head ninja got near her??
How did that happen I wonder 🤔
Edwin was where I learned about Zheanie!!! D.A immediately struck me as weird Afrikaans ableists
I love south Africa, lived all over the western Cape but mostly in Obs, CT and Plettenberg Bay. Serenity care centre in Sedgefield got me clean. I'm relieved I wasn't forced to go to Noupoort rehab!! I miss SA!! Great show!! 💯
Team Zheani all the way.
Everyone carrying signs that mostly say hoorah for my side
I have always had a serious problem with this group. Gave me the chills. And it's not because they're strange. I've got a strange taste in music. They opened for RHCP, and I ensured I arrived later to avoid them. This isn't a good advert for the actual talent that does exist in SA.
I love your podcasts 🤘👊🇿🇦
I only discovered them from the movie Chappie. I heard the song Enter the Ninja. I liked the song. It was something different and the style was kind of off center. That’s the only way I can explain it. Then I started checking more of there music and who they were. Then I realized that they have some major issues. For a band that could be more, their behavior and mentality has really overshadowed their music. I stoped listening to them almost immediately. I hate to say this and hope it doesn’t happen. But I wouldn’t be surprised to find out 10 years from now that besides vanishing from music that they were found living in the streets. Like a bomb ready to go off. The question is not if but when. It seems they are their worst enemy and obstacle to their success and happiness. I usually just skip any type of videos regarding them because it’s always the same stuff basically. They don’t seem to be able to self correct their trajectory. I watched this video and I was right. Same old stuff. Not regarding your content but them.
Awesome journalism.
man - saw your tokkie interview and I must say with the thumbnails you post here dude you are also just trying to use the shock to get clicks - good on you for posting his Paypal link though.
great vid broer
Geez now I feel messed up I was 14 smoking weed. First time I did mushrooms I was 26. Only other thing I have touched is ecstasy, but because of my addictive personality I stopped those after a couple times.
I was an early adopter of their music going back to Max Normal. I feel almost guilty for sharing it with so many people. I was a big part of their early online community etc and had friends connected directly to the band. It felt like an exciting time for music but in hindsight none of it was worth it.
Some of the max normal stuff is actually interesting, like body snatchers .
It's a shame what he did ofc
It's crazy how many comments in here are victim blaming🤢 Here's to hoping these sickos get what they deserve😒
The only time it's helpful to blame the victim is when you are personally taking responsibility for what you've been through. BUT not believing an accusation is not the same as victim blaming
I would like to say a few things I had discovered Die Antwood years ago I discovered zhealani maybe about a year ago but it was not in correlation to die antwood I came across her all on my own I often ask the universe to provide for me the kind of music that I need and it provided me with Zhealani that being said her song " I won't sell my soul" if you guys have not heard it check it out it really from my perspective seems to play a part in the story and I believe that she was interested in music long before Die Antwood, she's got a natural knack for it it's probably something she'd been wanting to do for a long time but because of die Antwoord she was able to you know through them get a name out for herself so that's through her it was all done through her little puppets they were for her!!! And the funny thing is Diane what thought it was going to be the opposite way around that they were going to be puppeting her how cute!