Thank you very much. Mike it never occurred to me how hard it is for you and others to prepare a Live Chat for us when something traumatic happens. I could not have re-watched the interaction over and over for analysis. You were right to channel your inner Spock. ❤
Thank you to everyone for your insights and care. You are all amazing and deeply appreciated. This is so special to be a part of this bear community.....
Last year was our first year watching the cams and I have to say that Mike and Naomi are so calming. I remember all of us watching 901's little ones in the tree all night and how comforting it was to hear from the two of them after all of that even though the story ended so sadly.
Grazer is superlative in so many ways, and yes, we don't know what they (the bears) are thinking, but really, we don't need to know that. Knowing how each individual bear has experienced their life, is what they know, i.e. Grazer fishes at the lip and exposes her Coys to what she knows best. Patterns and individual observations are much more useful in understanding them. Thank you for this broadcast.
Thanks so much for answering my question about intervention from rangers to help. I completely understand the reasons why this is not possible, except in the case of Divot where the problem was human induced. Really appreciate all the feedback and analysis of the Grazer/Chunk situation. Let's hope that the cub makes a full recovery.
Thanks. This was a much needed followup to what happened. I'm glad the cub is alive, and I hope it will make it. Though I understand it is just one of the events of nature and bear behavior/survival, if it doesn't. Grazer is a good Mom, and she's terrific.
Thanks for this level-headed and insightful discussion to help the rest of us process what happened to "our" cub. I was ready to step away from the cams until October, but I think I'll stick with it. That said, I will be courting and channeling my "inner Spock" when I do. 🤣
I have a lamp shade that says “Where there is life there is Hope” I named my puppy dog Hope when I adopted her 6 months ago. I’ll call Grazers lil cub “Hope”. ❤
Tiny is dealing with trauma. And if any of you have been in an car accident, falling down from something or been hit my by a falling object - you know it is not the day it happens it hurts really bad. It is day 2 and sometimes day 3. I love this bear family 🐻💙🐻
Also gave me flashbacks from last year when 88 went for 26's cub... but glad 128's coy are okay! And also it could be likely that 504 intervened because she thought their fight was a threat to her cubs, and Grazer has also intervened in other bears fights when she's had cubs, so possibly.
Thank you so much for taking the time. I learn so much for this community. I was hoping to have heard about what the discussion was behind-the-scenes, instead of more of a recitation of info/philosophy from the website. It's frustrating to hear about weighing the suffering of a baby bear against money, or whether or not the bear is hurt because of us or not. Intuitively, one might think the decision-making may be informed more by whether or not calling in a rescue team is feasible. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing you. Just sharing what one loyal fan was hoping to hear about. Grazer is my favorite.
Although I'm no longer a ranger at Katmai and not privy to their behind-the-scenes discussions, we never seriously considered helping an injured or ill cub when I worked there. The feasibility of it alone usually prevented us from taking that type of action. Plus, park policy didn't (and still doesn't) allow for it either. Large national parks like Katmai exists to protect habitat for brown bears and other wildlife, so the goal for the National Park Service is to protect ecosystem processes that create the necessary habitat. We did act quickly to help Divot when she had a trapping snare cinched around her neck (so there are times when intervention happens, just not when cubs are injured by other bears). I'm still amazed that we were able to remove the snare from Divot since we needed dozens of things to go right and they did.
Think of it this way. We are extremely privileged to have access to these live webcams into these animals lives. And even this is just a snapshot of their lives not a whole picture. Heartbreaking scenes like these are playing out every where every second every day in every national park all over the world. It is natures way. You have just suddenly become aware of it via the internet and technology. Rangers are like caretakers of National Parks they cannot intervene with every single natural caused event. They would have no time and with the zero resources, staff etc they already have. It’s hard to watch the bears so close without forming a bond to them. But foster that sense of wonder and awe without entrenching your feelings onto them. They are wild creatures and we aren’t. We shouldn’t be in their lives or as little as possible. ❤
Grazer goes where Grezer wants. She is by far the toughest and most BA bear. For her size, very FEW will challenger her. As you can see all the other bears just fleeing because Grazer is on high alert, the other bears dont want to get hit by any schrapnel when Grazer goes Nuclear!
32 is doing what the most dominant boar does like 856 did many times before him. 856 did that to 402 and 39. They all fought him with their lives but still lost their spring cubs. 132’s cub was lost in the cross fire. That is why most of the sows do not bring their coy to the falls. Because, it is putting their cubs with all the adult bears especially the dominant boars.
I so enjoy the experience of being able to see these beautiful animals in their natural habitat, but at the same time I struggle with the “Truman show mentality.“. They know we’re watching them.
I've been keeping my eye out to see what's been happening with the cub. I was unfortunately watching live when the incident happened. One thing as I scanned comments from here and on the Bears chat platform...I wanted to see if it was mentioned and I did not see it mentioned. I remember telling my hubs about how Chunk had been guarding 719 constantly (as he was courting her at the time). When the babies go down the falls....who was the bear in front of Chunk? Was that 719? I only ask because over a handful of days 719 was fishing in that area and Chunk had been following her and staying a short distance and being super aggressive to "any" bear male or female that got in "her" space. The bigger coy was literally right in that other bears space and then Chunk went off...I watched the video and it wasn't mentioned at all...just that they aren't 100% sure why and that it could be a factor of things but potential courting of 719 was not mentioned. So can anyone confirm "which" bear was in front of Chunk at the time of the incident?
sad I missed this live, but I was getting tattooed. thank you for this. just getting started now. Mike, hope this isn't weird but there's something about your voice I have always found calming, and always appreciate your insights. hoping that will help me cope with the subject matter...
Grazer was amazingly brave to approach Chunk in defense of her cub, since she is so much smaller. Do you think Grazer will be wary of Chunk in the future?
Just a curious question: What are we doing about snares? NO animal should suffer this human induced, unnatural, horrendous fate... why is this allowed in or out of the park? How can we say we are letting the wilderness stay wild when humans are laying traps for unsuspecting animals?
Agree! The rangers removed one from one of the Brooks Falls bear's necks a few years back. How is setting snares allowed ever, anywhere? There should be harsh penalties for it, but it's not even illegal. Neither is shooting bears in their dens during hibernation. It's sick.
Trapping in any form is prohibited within Katmai National Park. However, bears do not recognize our political boundaries and some wander outside of the park where trapping is permitted. A day or so ago, the cameras saw a bear at the river who appears to have a snare around its neck. We don't know where he got it but it was almost certainly outside the park when it happened.
I think grazer got a bit over confident,after all she's never hesitated to bring her cubs to the prime spot on the fall before and never had a problem even when both cubs went over the falls. Shes not afraid of any other bear including chunk. I think she was just surprised but definitely not intimidated since she was willing to take on two bears at once. Nothing that happened previously would give her the idea she had to be extra careful. Lets face it shes like Godzilla and feels like no other bear would dare to attack her cubs
After all grazer has taken over spots on the falls that normally only huge males would be. She is fearless and I think she'll continue to y. BUY THE WAY HAS SHE EVER SHOWN AGGRESSION TOWARDS HUMANS?
The salmon run in this region of Alaska (Bristol Bay) was strong again this year. There are no counts of fish in the Brooks River, but judging by the amount of fish we've seen jumping at the falls it appeared to be a fairly normal, strong run of fish.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was last spotted boarding a flight to Alaska. We presume he's going to try to collect and eat the bear, as you know it's legal to eat a bear killed by another bear.
Anyone know who the bear was that was running for his/her life towards the right side of the screen? That was a pretty entertaining part of a terrible clip.
I don't think 32 is twice 128. I base that on the estimated laser scanning scientists did back in 2019 and 2020 where they estimated both 32 and other bears. Mike Fitz wrote an article title "How Big Are Fat Bear Week Bears?" in 2019. For fall the laser scanning estimated his weight in fall of 2019 at 1143 pounds (in 2020 it was estimated at 1250 pounds for fall). Another bear they estimated was a female divot 854 who was estimated at 676 pounds. So, Chuck in 2019 was not twice the size as divot but Grazer is bigger than divot. So, this would seem to indicate that Chuck is not twice the size of 128. Granted this comparison now is in July and not fall and maybe Chuck is bigger not than during July of 2019 but of the data available it would seem to suggest there is a stronger probability that Chuck is not twice the size of 128.
Is Katmai an enclosed area similar to a wildlife refuge for the bears in Alaska ? Similar to a zoo enclosure where veterinarians care for the bears on a consistent basis. Were all the bears vaccinated during the COVID-19 issue? Else is Katmai just an open area where if the bear decides to wander up to a visitor there are no partitions between the visitors and the bears?
It is a wild area where bears are free to roam. Humans are the visitors here where rangers do their best to keep humans within designated areas (at least at the camp, cabins and viewing platforms). But you will see "free range humans" fishing and walking around further downstream....at their own risk.
interfering with the animals could actually end up doing more harm than good. plus there’s a long track record of bears fully recovering from injuries. they’re very resilient creatures!
@@janwarriner6554 what is any individual supposed to do with the cub of one of the most fiercely protective mother bears? genuinely asking. it’d be incredibly likely that the person helping would get attacked for being anywhere close to the cub. at this point, though, the cub unfortunately didn’t survive its injuries. again, nature will take the course that nature takes. please keep in mind that even though Katmai is a National Park, even the rangers are solely guests in a home that belongs to the bears themselves. the more human interference, the worse off both humans and bears are.
@@lynneyb2469 he already had the scars across his snout. I guess I should have asked could a female bear half the size of a boar do any damage to the boar .
4 feet from help is a seriously injured cub but we can't intervene, yet people can pay to stand on a bridge, take pictures and wring their hands. (The likelihood of this comment being allowed to stay is zero) no contrary views are allowed
Look at that: the comment was allowed. The history of humans micromanaging nature is overwhelmingly negative and fraught with unintended consequences. Yes, I trust the professionals. We don’t need to interfere in situations we barely understand and we certainly shouldn’t interfere when there’s a strong likelihood we’ll make it worse. Not to mention that if human lives are endangered, the consequences for the bears are likely to be even worse. Perhaps indeed folks needn’t be so close. But saying we should be closer still is backwards at best.
Seems like you were entirely wrong. If you were given a timeout, then it's perhaps more likely a result of your own hostility towards views that differ from your own. But I have a suspicion that self reflection isn't your strongest suit.
Think of it this way. We are extremely privileged to have access to these live webcams into these animals lives. And even this is just a snapshot of their lives not a whole picture. Heartbreaking scenes like these are playing out every where every second every day in every national park all over the world. It is natures way. You have just suddenly become aware of it via the internet and technology. Rangers are like caretakers of National Parks they cannot intervene with every single natural caused event. They would have no time and with the zero resources, staff etc they already have. It’s hard to watch the bears so close without forming a bond to them. But foster that sense of wonder and awe without entrenching your feelings onto them. They are wild creatures and we aren’t. We shouldn’t be in their lives or as little as possible. ❤
I appreciate the underlying philosophy, but in some instances, I would argue that intervention for Grazer's coy is justified. I understand that tranquilizing the bears is not usually feasible, but consider that you are exposing tens of thousands of people to potentially watch a tiny cub die, which has a dehumanizing effect, and it is wiser to support the empathy you have chosen to create with the live cameras.
There is also a thing called personal responsibility where you can choose not watch LIVE unpredictable wild animals where they could potentially get violent etc. And then you cannot watch the replay where they warn you that there is violent footage. But not a lot of people like to take personal responsibility these days. They just like to blame others right?
@@brigemae22 Framing the issue of NP policy as a matter of personal responsibilty is quite interesting. We live in a mediated age, and considering the implications of media is a societal responsibility. I am deeply grateful for the live cameras, and I understand that nature can be brutal, but the questions about the consequences of the live camera are reasonable if at times the policies have a dehumanizing effect. Just because you have images of a very badly mauled cub--one that the viewers know because of the cameras-- with an apparently broken leg doesn't mean you have to show it while at the same time shrugging shoulders and saying well there is nothing to be done. It is the same question reporters in war or catastrophe zones ask about point of death images. The questions are the same: is it dehumanizing to the viewers to show them people at point of death? Is it objectifying the casualties to show them dying for the sake of a compelling image? The technology allows us an unprecedented ans sympathetic connection with the same bears over a period of years, and creating that connection is intentional. That alone makes it a matter of conscience to consider the implications of the coverage.
@@mediaprof6328 so because we have witnessed this event we now have to intervene according to your logic? Your argument makes no sense! This would have happened if the cameras were there or not. Again I have to go back to taking some personal responsibility for your actions, and really think about what you are actually watching, a live video of an unpredictable group of dangerous animals in the wild with the potential to kill each other not just cute fluffy fat bear contenders that you vote for every year. This is what happens to wild animals, it’s not like animals in the zoo! They don’t get vet treatment and they don’t get fed. It’s harsh, it’s brutal: its nature. Plus the rangers are not zookeepers. They have zero authority to intervene in this situation. And even if there is a webcam there with people watching it doesn’t and shouldnt change that. People commenting saying to intervene have no idea of the implementations and ramifications for the Grazer and family, other bears, the rangers, park visitors etc. Anyone who works with wildlife and studied Zoology knows this. But unfortunately people go totally irrational when it comes to animals because they project their own human feelings, experience, values and beliefs onto the animal.
I hope that you listened to this program and read some of the comments from Mike Fitz. The rangers, cam operators and mods live this every day and I am sure they are deeply hurt by all of this. They are doing all that they can do.
If you can’t help the poor baby then don’t let it suffer for the sake of UA-cam views. Even though it’s a bear, it’s a life. You guys have the ability to help.
It doesn’t have anything to do with UA-cam views. This is a national park and they have rules and regulations they must follow. They aren’t allowed to intervene.
Great information for us. Thank you! As much as I want to see this baby survive, I believe it is the wrong to interfere with these magnificent creatures. These are wild bears. I live around bears and I would never want anyone to interfere. Can you imagine trying to take Grazer's cub from her without sedating her and putting all three at risk of attack by Chunk or other bears? I shudder to think of it. Grazer is one scary mama bear!
Thank you very much.
Mike it never occurred to me how hard it is for you and others to prepare a Live Chat for us when something traumatic happens.
I could not have re-watched the interaction over and over for analysis.
You were right to channel your inner Spock.
❤
Thanks so much to the rangers, mods, cam ops! Shout out to Ranger Susan, Naomi, Sarah, and Mike. RESPECT 💪🐻🥰
Grazer is my hero!❤❤. She’s hands down the Queen of Brooks Falls!
She needs to be a better mom, and not put her cubs in danger.
Thankyou all for making time for us for this chat.
I always appreciate the perspective on the bears. Thank you for your input & wisdom.
Excellent talk! Encouraging update too. Thank you all!
Mike and Naomi - I have been learning from you two for years. You are truly inspirational and so appreciated!
Thank you to everyone for your insights and care. You are all amazing and deeply appreciated. This is so special to be a part of this bear community.....
Last year was our first year watching the cams and I have to say that Mike and Naomi are so calming. I remember all of us watching 901's little ones in the tree all night and how comforting it was to hear from the two of them after all of that even though the story ended so sadly.
Thank you for the broadcast. Very informative. Love the cams Prayers for the injured cub.❤
Grazer is superlative in so many ways, and yes, we don't know what they (the bears) are thinking, but really, we don't need to know that. Knowing how each individual bear has experienced their life, is what they know, i.e. Grazer fishes at the lip and exposes her Coys to what she knows best. Patterns and individual observations are much more useful in understanding them. Thank you for this broadcast.
Thanks to all of you for this update & education.
Thanks so much for answering my question about intervention from rangers to help. I completely understand the reasons why this is not possible, except in the case of Divot where the problem was human induced. Really appreciate all the feedback and analysis of the Grazer/Chunk situation. Let's hope that the cub makes a full recovery.
Wow I didn't realize both cubs went over!! Grazer is one ferocious mama!!
Thank you for making this episode for us. Very well done and important work ❤
Such an insightful conversation and great questions. Thank you for educating us!
Thanks. This was a much needed followup to what happened. I'm glad the cub is alive, and I hope it will make it. Though I understand it is just one of the events of nature and bear behavior/survival, if it doesn't. Grazer is a good Mom, and she's terrific.
Thank you for talking us through it all.
Thank you all for sharing your insights and experiences, especially when the information is difficult.
This analysis is so interesting. It's like true crime, but with bears.
Thank you all for keeping us informed.
Thanks for this level-headed and insightful discussion to help the rest of us process what happened to "our" cub. I was ready to step away from the cams until October, but I think I'll stick with it. That said, I will be courting and channeling my "inner Spock" when I do. 🤣
I have a lamp shade that says “Where there is life there is Hope” I named my puppy dog Hope when I adopted her 6 months ago. I’ll call Grazers lil cub “Hope”. ❤
Thank you Mike, Naomi, Susan, Sarah, Explore, Katmai, all the Bears & Salmon, and to Grazer & her fam: You Got This!! 👊🐻🩵🐻💙🐻💪
Tiny is dealing with trauma. And if any of you have been in an car accident, falling down from something or been hit my by a falling object - you know it is not the day it happens it hurts really bad. It is day 2 and sometimes day 3. I love this bear family 🐻💙🐻
It's a bear not a fucking human toddler hahaha
Thanks so much for doing this video. Very helpful
Grazer is one tough mama bear! Thanks for the update
Thanlyou for this chat today really enjoyed it and I've learnt so much today
Thank-you for the details.
thank you for the captions!
Thank-you so much!
Also gave me flashbacks from last year when 88 went for 26's cub... but glad 128's coy are okay! And also it could be likely that 504 intervened because she thought their fight was a threat to her cubs, and Grazer has also intervened in other bears fights when she's had cubs, so possibly.
Thank you so much for taking the time. I learn so much for this community. I was hoping to have heard about what the discussion was behind-the-scenes, instead of more of a recitation of info/philosophy from the website. It's frustrating to hear about weighing the suffering of a baby bear against money, or whether or not the bear is hurt because of us or not. Intuitively, one might think the decision-making may be informed more by whether or not calling in a rescue team is feasible. Please don't get me wrong. I'm not criticizing you. Just sharing what one loyal fan was hoping to hear about. Grazer is my favorite.
Although I'm no longer a ranger at Katmai and not privy to their behind-the-scenes discussions, we never seriously considered helping an injured or ill cub when I worked there. The feasibility of it alone usually prevented us from taking that type of action. Plus, park policy didn't (and still doesn't) allow for it either. Large national parks like Katmai exists to protect habitat for brown bears and other wildlife, so the goal for the National Park Service is to protect ecosystem processes that create the necessary habitat. We did act quickly to help Divot when she had a trapping snare cinched around her neck (so there are times when intervention happens, just not when cubs are injured by other bears). I'm still amazed that we were able to remove the snare from Divot since we needed dozens of things to go right and they did.
@@mikefitz6837Thank you!
Think of it this way. We are extremely privileged to have access to these live webcams into these animals lives. And even this is just a snapshot of their lives not a whole picture. Heartbreaking scenes like these are playing out every where every second every day in every national park all over the world. It is natures way. You have just suddenly become aware of it via the internet and technology. Rangers are like caretakers of National Parks they cannot intervene with every single natural caused event. They would have no time and with the zero resources, staff etc they already have.
It’s hard to watch the bears so close without forming a bond to them. But foster that sense of wonder and awe without entrenching your feelings onto them. They are wild creatures and we aren’t. We shouldn’t be in their lives or as little as possible. ❤
So sad! I was just there last week for 4 days watching grazzer and her cubs for hours and hours! 😢
Grazer goes where Grezer wants. She is by far the toughest and most BA bear. For her size, very FEW will challenger her. As you can see all the other bears just fleeing because Grazer is on high alert, the other bears dont want to get hit by any schrapnel when Grazer goes Nuclear!
32 is doing what the most dominant boar does like 856 did many times before him. 856 did that to 402 and 39. They all fought him with their lives but still lost their spring cubs. 132’s cub was lost in the cross fire. That is why most of the sows do not bring their coy to the falls. Because, it is putting their cubs with all the adult bears especially the dominant boars.
I so enjoy the experience of being able to see these beautiful animals in their natural habitat, but at the same time I struggle with the “Truman show mentality.“. They know we’re watching them.
I've been keeping my eye out to see what's been happening with the cub. I was unfortunately watching live when the incident happened. One thing as I scanned comments from here and on the Bears chat platform...I wanted to see if it was mentioned and I did not see it mentioned. I remember telling my hubs about how Chunk had been guarding 719 constantly (as he was courting her at the time). When the babies go down the falls....who was the bear in front of Chunk? Was that 719? I only ask because over a handful of days 719 was fishing in that area and Chunk had been following her and staying a short distance and being super aggressive to "any" bear male or female that got in "her" space. The bigger coy was literally right in that other bears space and then Chunk went off...I watched the video and it wasn't mentioned at all...just that they aren't 100% sure why and that it could be a factor of things but potential courting of 719 was not mentioned. So can anyone confirm "which" bear was in front of Chunk at the time of the incident?
The Glory of Grazer ❤
128 was in a very bad spot trying to protect her 2 cubs who were going in different directions.
Wow!
sad I missed this live, but I was getting tattooed. thank you for this. just getting started now. Mike, hope this isn't weird but there's something about your voice I have always found calming, and always appreciate your insights. hoping that will help me cope with the subject matter...
I love the livestream it was great love to see more ❤
Grazer is the best mama! 🐻💪🙏🏻❤️💕
Grazer was amazingly brave to approach Chunk in defense of her cub, since she is so much smaller. Do you think Grazer will be wary of Chunk in the future?
I wish ministry could have tried to save the cub.
Just a curious question: What are we doing about snares? NO animal should suffer this human induced, unnatural, horrendous fate... why is this allowed in or out of the park? How can we say we are letting the wilderness stay wild when humans are laying traps for unsuspecting animals?
Agree! The rangers removed one from one of the Brooks Falls bear's necks a few years back. How is setting snares allowed ever, anywhere? There should be harsh penalties for it, but it's not even illegal. Neither is shooting bears in their dens during hibernation. It's sick.
Trapping in any form is prohibited within Katmai National Park. However, bears do not recognize our political boundaries and some wander outside of the park where trapping is permitted. A day or so ago, the cameras saw a bear at the river who appears to have a snare around its neck. We don't know where he got it but it was almost certainly outside the park when it happened.
Thank you for the update. My husband was so upset, I tried to explain and then told him I'd make him watch all the sad coy and cub stories!
I think grazer got a bit over confident,after all she's never hesitated to bring her cubs to the prime spot on the fall before and never had a problem even when both cubs went over the falls. Shes not afraid of any other bear including chunk. I think she was just surprised but definitely not intimidated since she was willing to take on two bears at once. Nothing that happened previously would give her the idea she had to be extra careful. Lets face it shes like Godzilla and feels like no other bear would dare to attack her cubs
Did the little cub survive?
After all grazer has taken over spots on the falls that normally only huge males would be. She is fearless and I think she'll continue to y. BUY THE WAY HAS SHE EVER SHOWN AGGRESSION TOWARDS HUMANS?
Is the salmon run not very good this year?
The salmon run in this region of Alaska (Bristol Bay) was strong again this year. There are no counts of fish in the Brooks River, but judging by the amount of fish we've seen jumping at the falls it appeared to be a fairly normal, strong run of fish.
I’m late watching and we all hate seeing this but hoping the Cub will get well..Can someone tell me if Otis is back?
He hasn't been seen, yet.
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. was last spotted boarding a flight to Alaska. We presume he's going to try to collect and eat the bear, as you know it's legal to eat a bear killed by another bear.
Why we cannot see the brooks is camera down
Anyone know who the bear was that was running for his/her life towards the right side of the screen? That was a pretty entertaining part of a terrible clip.
🐻🐻🐻
I don't think 32 is twice 128. I base that on the estimated laser scanning scientists did back in 2019 and 2020 where they estimated both 32 and other bears. Mike Fitz wrote an article title "How Big Are Fat Bear Week Bears?" in 2019. For fall the laser scanning estimated his weight in fall of 2019 at 1143 pounds (in 2020 it was estimated at 1250 pounds for fall). Another bear they estimated was a female divot 854 who was estimated at 676 pounds. So, Chuck in 2019 was not twice the size as divot but Grazer is bigger than divot. So, this would seem to indicate that Chuck is not twice the size of 128. Granted this comparison now is in July and not fall and maybe Chuck is bigger not than during July of 2019 but of the data available it would seem to suggest there is a stronger probability that Chuck is not twice the size of 128.
Is Katmai an enclosed area similar to a wildlife refuge for the bears in Alaska ? Similar to a zoo enclosure where veterinarians care for the bears on a consistent basis. Were all the bears vaccinated during the COVID-19 issue? Else is Katmai just an open area where if the bear decides to wander up to a visitor there are no partitions between the visitors and the bears?
It is wild, in a national Park. Wildlife is only observed.
Open area
It is a wild area where bears are free to roam. Humans are the visitors here where rangers do their best to keep humans within designated areas (at least at the camp, cabins and viewing platforms). But you will see "free range humans" fishing and walking around further downstream....at their own risk.
I
One of the cubs was badly injured by Chump. Why wasn’t it taken to try to provide medical care?
interfering with the animals could actually end up doing more harm than good. plus there’s a long track record of bears fully recovering from injuries. they’re very resilient creatures!
@@jester.m00n I don’t believe that for one minute. I saw the injured cub. They were neglectful.
@@janwarriner6554 what is any individual supposed to do with the cub of one of the most fiercely protective mother bears? genuinely asking. it’d be incredibly likely that the person helping would get attacked for being anywhere close to the cub.
at this point, though, the cub unfortunately didn’t survive its injuries. again, nature will take the course that nature takes. please keep in mind that even though Katmai is a National Park, even the rangers are solely guests in a home that belongs to the bears themselves. the more human interference, the worse off both humans and bears are.
@@jester.m00n sounds like you’re the PR person. 😂😂😂
@@janwarriner6554 nope, just care about the parks and wildlife in em. it’s very easy info to read up on if you’re interested in it too!
Sorry Chunk. No votes for you come Fat Bear Week for picking in the littles
He was only doing what is natural. But, I won't be voting for him either.
Chunk is bitter about losing to Grazer in fat bear week 2023! Don’t be a sore loser, Chunk!
What kind of damage to Chunk do you think Grazer did.
Someone did post an after photo of Chunk. Lots of white scars all over his face.
@@lynneyb2469 he already had the scars across his snout. I guess I should have asked could a female bear half the size of a boar do any damage to the boar .
4 feet from help is a seriously injured cub but we can't intervene, yet people can pay to stand on a bridge, take pictures and wring their hands. (The likelihood of this comment being allowed to stay is zero) no contrary views are allowed
Trust the longheld principles and logic of the biologists and park rangers. It's hard, very very hard. But it is what is.
Look at that: the comment was allowed.
The history of humans micromanaging nature is overwhelmingly negative and fraught with unintended consequences. Yes, I trust the professionals. We don’t need to interfere in situations we barely understand and we certainly shouldn’t interfere when there’s a strong likelihood we’ll make it worse.
Not to mention that if human lives are endangered, the consequences for the bears are likely to be even worse.
Perhaps indeed folks needn’t be so close. But saying we should be closer still is backwards at best.
Seems like you were entirely wrong. If you were given a timeout, then it's perhaps more likely a result of your own hostility towards views that differ from your own. But I have a suspicion that self reflection isn't your strongest suit.
Think of it this way. We are extremely privileged to have access to these live webcams into these animals lives. And even this is just a snapshot of their lives not a whole picture. Heartbreaking scenes like these are playing out every where every second every day in every national park all over the world. It is natures way. You have just suddenly become aware of it via the internet and technology. Rangers are like caretakers of National Parks they cannot intervene with every single natural caused event. They would have no time and with the zero resources, staff etc they already have.
It’s hard to watch the bears so close without forming a bond to them. But foster that sense of wonder and awe without entrenching your feelings onto them. They are wild creatures and we aren’t. We shouldn’t be in their lives or as little as possible. ❤
I appreciate the underlying philosophy, but in some instances, I would argue that intervention for Grazer's coy is justified. I understand that tranquilizing the bears is not usually feasible, but consider that you are exposing tens of thousands of people to potentially watch a tiny cub die, which has a dehumanizing effect, and it is wiser to support the empathy you have chosen to create with the live cameras.
There is also a thing called personal responsibility where you can choose not watch LIVE unpredictable wild animals where they could potentially get violent etc. And then you cannot watch the replay where they warn you that there is violent footage. But not a lot of people like to take personal responsibility these days. They just like to blame others right?
@@brigemae22 Framing the issue of NP policy as a matter of personal responsibilty is quite interesting. We live in a mediated age, and considering the implications of media is a societal responsibility. I am deeply grateful for the live cameras, and I understand that nature can be brutal, but the questions about the consequences of the live camera are reasonable if at times the policies have a dehumanizing effect. Just because you have images of a very badly mauled cub--one that the viewers know because of the cameras-- with an apparently broken leg doesn't mean you have to show it while at the same time shrugging shoulders and saying well there is nothing to be done. It is the same question reporters in war or catastrophe zones ask about point of death images. The questions are the same: is it dehumanizing to the viewers to show them people at point of death? Is it objectifying the casualties to show them dying for the sake of a compelling image? The technology allows us an unprecedented ans sympathetic connection with the same bears over a period of years, and creating that connection is intentional. That alone makes it a matter of conscience to consider the implications of the coverage.
@@mediaprof6328 so because we have witnessed this event we now have to intervene according to your logic? Your argument makes no sense! This would have happened if the cameras were there or not. Again I have to go back to taking some personal responsibility for your actions, and really think about what you are actually watching, a live video of an unpredictable group of dangerous animals in the wild with the potential to kill each other not just cute fluffy fat bear contenders that you vote for every year. This is what happens to wild animals, it’s not like animals in the zoo! They don’t get vet treatment and they don’t get fed. It’s harsh, it’s brutal: its nature. Plus the rangers are not zookeepers. They have zero authority to intervene in this situation. And even if there is a webcam there with people watching it doesn’t and shouldnt change that. People commenting saying to intervene have no idea of the implementations and ramifications for the Grazer and family, other bears, the rangers, park visitors etc. Anyone who works with wildlife and studied Zoology knows this. But unfortunately people go totally irrational when it comes to animals because they project their own human feelings, experience, values and beliefs onto the animal.
Help the cub and get some mods that dont put you in time out because you dont agree with everything they "know"about bears.
I hope that you listened to this program and read some of the comments from Mike Fitz. The rangers, cam operators and mods live this every day and I am sure they are deeply hurt by all of this. They are doing all that they can do.
If you can’t help the poor baby then don’t let it suffer for the sake of UA-cam views. Even though it’s a bear, it’s a life. You guys have the ability to help.
It doesn’t have anything to do with UA-cam views. This is a national park and they have rules and regulations they must follow. They aren’t allowed to intervene.
Great information for us. Thank you! As much as I want to see this baby survive, I believe it is the wrong to interfere with these magnificent creatures. These are wild bears. I live around bears and I would never want anyone to interfere. Can you imagine trying to take Grazer's cub from her without sedating her and putting all three at risk of attack by Chunk or other bears? I shudder to think of it. Grazer is one scary mama bear!