Why you shouldn't say 그녀 for “she” in Korean
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- Опубліковано 22 вер 2024
- You often see the words 그 and 그녀 used to refer to “he” and “she” respectively, but that is only in written text. If you say 그 or 그녀 in spoken Korean, you will sound very unnatural or too formal or poetic. Then how DO you actually talk about someone as “he” or “she” in Korean? You use the person’s name or title. In this video lesson, teacher Hyunwoo explains why you shouldn’t actually use the words 그 or 그녀 in spoken Korean.
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'그녀' is modern created word to translate english word 'she.' before 1920's, korean used '그' for both 'he' and 'she.'
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포쿠 good to know
same as the chinese 'ta'
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@Karyadi Iskandar in the case 그 indicate 'he', it will be translated to 彼(kare) in japanese. similarly, 그녀 becomes 彼女(kanozyo).
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I always thought the reason why 그 and 그녀 arent used in spoken Korean is because they sound a bit rude compared to using name or social title
The word '그,그녀' is the influence of European Language during 16~18th century
In Meiji Period Japan, They first made these word in Kanji just for detail tranlation 'Kare/Kanojo(彼/彼女)'.
And later, Korea adopted this directly-translated words.
This is Why it is awkward when using the words in Conversation.
It is stll used just for He-She translations from English literature.
Well when you think about it it's also sorta that reason too, but only because it's just so easy to accidentally say rude things in languages like Korean and Japanese.
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It's interesting that third person in Korean is genderless, just like in Indonesian. I didn't know this before. As an Indonesian learning Korean, I think it's easier to learn this way. Thank you for this. I found your videos are really helpful.
That's interesting. 😊
@Erma Nurhidayah actually most native languages outside of Europe (except Afroasiatic family which includes Arabic & Amharic) don't distinguish her & him.
It just happened that european languages ended up dominating the world of business today.
In Europe itself notable languages without distinction of her & him are Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian and Basque spoken in Spain and France.
I’m sorry but what does third person is genderless mean??
This topic is really confusing to me. Thanks for the explanation!
My korean friend uses 그녀 to talk about a girl she doesn’t like though 🤔😅
I always found this a bit of a struggle. Even though I've understood that they're never really used often from your early lessons, the native English speaker in me always wants to use them. However, now that I'm here teaching in Korea it's been a help to actually hear my coworkers refer to me in Korean as "this teacher" or "[Name] teacher" in contexts where I would normally use "he" or "she."
Oh! This is kind of similar with Spanish, we tend to omit the subject or use the person' name in a sentence, or as for the bag example, the Spanish possessive pronoun for he/she is 'su' so without a name or previous context you wouldn't be able to tell if you're referring to a he or a she 😊 I'll keep this in mind for when I reach this in my books!
In Spanish we always use He or She. Same as English.
@@danielmartinez7047 for subject pronouns yes we use el/ella but for possessive pronouns we do use 'su' for both genders, at least when speaking OF a third person, like e.g.: esta es su maleta, we wouldn't know if the bag belongs to him/her, but then when speaking WITH someone,of course we could use: esta maleta es tuya/tuyo
So I guess in Spanish we use both for possessive pronouns...
@@mayracedeno9684 Tienes razón. Esta es su maleta es correcto. Pensé que se decía diferente. Yo no tuve escuela y creo que esa es la razón de mi falta de comprensión. Gracias por ayudarme. I thought I was right but I wasn't. You are more cunning than I thought. Spanish is my first language but I always make a lot of mistakes when writing. 고마워 내 여자친구. 다시만나요!
@@mayracedeno9684 true, and in Brazil, since most of them don't use tu nor vos, «a sua mala» could mean «your/her/his/their suitcase».
to avoid confusion you usually simply say «a mala dele/dela/deles/delas/de vocês» which mostly ends up revealing the gender of the possessor.
Just realised my language doesn’t have he & she either 😂😂😂😂 I never realised that😅 my language is HINDI bydw
I'm a hindi speaker too. It was your comment that cleared the whole concept up for me finally. ☺️☺️☺️It means maybe in the sentence itself, the verb tells whether it is he or she?
Even I didn't realize. But we use "Rahi hai" or "Raha he" in order differentiate the genders
@*Fancy June* are you also Indian ?
@*Fancy June* hmm we have to learn Hindi and English alone with our mother tongue and then if anyone wants to learn another language then its like a challenge so...
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I always thought that what was going on with dictionary sentences using 그 or 그녀 is, as you said, the actual identity of the person doesn't matter (there is _no_ person - it's just a sample sentence) so 그 and 그녀 are used to keep the sentence as generic as possible _or_ if the sentence is a translation from, say, English, those words convey the sense of the sentence where "he" or "she" is used. (In actual spoken Korean, you're usually referring to a real person and can use his or her name or title.)
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In finnish it’s unnatural to say the words ”he/she/they”, we just use ”it” and ”they” (they as used for objects)
Same for Turkish too! I think it's because of korean,turkish,finnish all of them are part of uralic-altaic language family
@@babyphotocards515 actually most native languages outside of Europe (except Afroasiatic family which includes Arabic & Amharic) don't distinguish her & him.
It just happened that european languages ended up dominating the world of business today.
In Europe itself notable languages without distinction of her & him are Hungarian, Finnish, Estonian and Basque spoken in Spain and France.
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This was so helpful because I literally was just watching a learning video yesterday and they kept saying 그 and 그녀. I thought it was natural to say.
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I just realized people said 걔 instead of 개 :v i thought older people was rude to their kids jajajajajajaja
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hahah because 개 means dog
what’s the difference though?
@@y22ks im having trouble pronouncing.
개 and 걔 sound the same to me...
This is timely, I’m struggling on pronouns at the moment. 👍
When I learned that we can't remove subjects from sentences in English, I was very surprised. We also can omit subjects in Turkish. And also we don't have male/female things even for the third person (she/he) we always say "O". So easy😄👌
I’m the opposite. I’m a native English speaker trying to learn Korean, and once I got to the lessons where the subject could be omitted, everything went downhill for me. 😂 I never seem to be able to keep track of who or what is being talked about without the subject being stated. I remember thinking to myself, “It only takes a second to say the subject and about 30 seconds to go back and clarify what was being talked about. How is this more efficient?!” Then I realized other languages are just used to not having them.
Yes Koreans are very used to guessing what's being talked about and it takes zero effort. I'm sure you'll realize that not every situation needs to be clarified to communicate 😁 Also, there are many other verb conjugations that indicate the subject.
Well technically they won't specify the subject, but they will help you understand the situation in ways like telling it's citation or showing respect etc.
Thank you so much for this! I make sample sentences and I always use “그녀”
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Great explanations Hyunwoo, great explanations, though sorry 4:59 I was momentarily distracted (in a fun way lol) by Kyeongeun at 4:59 hahaha. Those interstitials are great.
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Actually, it's easier for me to remember these general rules of speech (drop a lot of pronouns) than it is to learn new words. New words hard. General rules easy. In European languages everything has gender, even non-living things. And verbs and adjectives all have to be conjugated based on various pronouns. Korean is MUCH easier than all that.
"녀" sounds like an spanish "ñ" right?? am I listening correctly?
yes
No.
녀 is like ñyeo, kinda if you say jalapeño but with the o prpnounced differently.
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Super late but I speak Spanish and I think it's the sound of ñ but a bit less aggressive
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It'll be hard for Indo-European languagers because Korean is One of the Isolated languages in the world.
But once you speak and write Korean fluently, You will be able to move another step to Japanese, which is also the isolated language.
Korean and Japanese, grammatically and vocabular-ily, share so many things which is unbelievably easy if you learned one of this.
And Mastering Japanese will make learning Chinese so easy.
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Hi! I've also been a bit desperate about learning Korean because it seemed so hard. but now it's going pretty well for me since I'm using Duolingo. I also use Drops, LingoDeer and memrise. and then I think persistence is really important too. hope that helps a bit? I can also add you on some social media or messenger if you want (don't know which one would suit you best)
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Gasp! Korean has gender neutral pronouns!
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I guess Korean is much more practical than my language (Romanian). We have several formal and casual forms for every pronoun (except 1st person), but some plural formal pronouns can be for singular formal usages as well. And we also use names, titles and stuff like "kid". So this rule in Korean is actually piece of cake for me.
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thank God i saw this vid! i'll keep those in mind! 선생님 감사합니다! 😊
It was so helpful! Thank you! Our Korean teacher have not mentioned it yet.may be because we have just started to learn Korean and so that we don't get confuse..I am learning Korean language since past 6 months at Korean culture and language center (KCLC) in my city..I am about to complete beginner level..love from India~
I also heard it was because 그 년은 and 그녀는 have identical pronunciation, which is a bit unfortunate.
what's the meaning of the first word?
@@mehehehek 년 can mean "bitch" and is often used like 나쁜년 "bad bitch" (not in the good way😅), 미친 년 "crazy bitch," etc, so I'm guessing that's another reason not to say these pronouns lol my boyfriend, who is from Korea, even told me to refer to specific years as 20--년도 because of this also lol
@@mehehehek 년 can also mean year lol
헝가리어 똑같아요. 우리는 he/she 말하지 않아요. 사용하는 단어가 “ő”에요
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감사합니다 for this.
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In our language, Filipino (Tagalog), we use the word 'Siya' both means he or she and can be used in both context and spoken Filipino. And it can be distinguished depending on the context or person being talked about.
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Thank you! This video helps me so much.
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Amazing! I always wondered about this!
I’m Korean American and whenever I talked to my mom and use “그녀는...”, I would accidentally combine “녀+ㄴ” and well...ended up saying something entirely different lolol so i try not to use it.
Thank you for this video! I realised this is the same for Japanese, where they prefer to use names and titles, and the subject is also usually omitted since both parties (in the conversation) will know what the other person meant. This makes learning Korean for me much easier.
Yes, I was (pleasantly) surprised to find that out only after I started learning Korean. I am also fluent in Chinese (Mandarin) so it helps a lot when learning Korean. I instinctively try to find the Chinese “equivalent” when learning new Korean vocabulary. Knowing the Hanja (if applicable) helps me remember the words.
Karyadi Iskandar Yes, I write more Kanji in my notes than English or Chinese.
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Ahh, the little Kyeong-eun at 4:50
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But what if you are talking about stranger?
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그 사람 , those people , 그 사람들
Or if there are a lot of people and you're trying to specify which one, you just describe something about them like, "읽는 사람" (the person who is reading) or "안경을 쓰는 사람" (the person wearing glasses).
you can say 그사람(=the person).
Wooow thanks! It was really helpful
There is a similar concept in Japanese where the direct translation for he and she would be 彼 and 彼女 but nobody ever uses it when speaking.
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I've also heard 얘 and 쟤, and never understood them 🤔 thank you for all your help!
but what about when you dont KNOW the person to say their name or social title? like you are with a friend and want to say "did you see that girl? she was pretty" wouldnt 그녀 fit in this case?
Then you say 저 여자 or 저 아줌마, 저 학생, 저기 저 사람 or some other nouns :)
I would say "저 여자 봤어? 쟤 예쁘다” (쟤=저 아이). The subject doesn't specifically have to be a kid to use 얘/쟤/걔
English has this for "you" (singular and plural). It can get so confusing that it's common to hear "you all", "youse" or "youse'uns"
I haven’t learnt many pronouns yet but this is a good tip even though I know it’s going to make me even more confused. Sometimes when I’m reading korean sentences I get so confused with who they are talking about. But I know over time I’ll get better and with more practice since I’m only at level two.Your lessons really do help me a lot. 감사합니다 선생님.
Great explanation! ⭐
jesus, 그 is used for so many things, i'm going crazy over this
at least now i don't have to worry about it in this case!
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Ofc, one no longer must say "he is" or "she is". It's now (or very soon will be) grammatically allowable to say "they are" to refer to a single person in a gender-neutral way.
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that was great because i have heard these words in songs , very good to know
I tried to go back to duolingo, but it drives me crazy that they demand I use 그 and 그녀
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감사합니다 선생님!😊
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Gracias, espero pronto tengan más videos los subtitles in spanish.
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Thanks for this! :)
Bro can you make a video about "Chuseok"
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In Finland we have he/she which is hän, but we do not use it often in spoken everyday finnish. We usually say it (se) even when talking about people.
you got to the point, thx brother
strange...i was told by korean people that 그 and 그녀 were not formal or poetic at all, but often seen as rude...this is an area of Korean that is very hard to get solid information on, since Koreans themselves almost never use pronouns at all in the way that they are used continuously in English...but that is what I've been told by more than one Korean. Better to use words like 아주머니 (or 이모) (for middle-aged women), 할머니 (old women), 할아버지 (old men), 선생(님), (respectful term for any adult), 학생 ("student" used for younger people)...these words seem to be very safe and in widespread use, wouldn't you agree?
FINALLY someone told me this. After 3 years of learning Korean
제가 알기로 그는 남자, 여자 둘 다 뜻하는걸로 알고있어요
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Much needed video.
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