Thanks for the review, really interesting stuff - Mackie hah, who would have thought 🙂 Your comment about two side handles was right on - why would any designer think that only one was a good idea...it's like they never use their own product. I also appreciated that you simply talked about the differences in sound quality instead of blasting the speaker at us (Which we all know is a total waste of time) Good sensible reviewing, thanks.
THANK YOU!! I just bought the QSCK 12 and due to some firmware issues, they are constantly turning off during my events. I’m also not finding a good fix to them, so I am thinking about returning them and I’m looking at other speakers that are comparable. This video is just what I was looking for and I will highly consider these vclass thanks to you!
@@DJChopps No fix unfortunately- service center said I’d have to drop them off to change out the amps. Instead of doing all that, I just returned the QSCs and have been looking for a new speaker since. Sorry for the late reply!
I own the Mackie Thumps I’ve had for a year, I was looking at qsc and the rcf’s, but I started to read about the srm V-Class and it has caught my attention. I’m looking at the spl on the speakers and now I’m working out to make my final decision on these 3.
@@chuckmacki2256 well, I haven’t decided yet because a DJ friend of mine just told me about the Yamaha dzr10’s which are loud and clear, they’re a bit pricey and sound amazing. So I’m looking into those as well. So I’ll definitely be making a decision within the next two months
In my humble opinion as a DJ for over 20 years, these two guys cannot be compared. The Mackie has a low to upper mid boast that may sound good on low volume, but that does not sound the same on high volume. If you don't need to play on loud volume The Mackie is great but it's not a QSC. I do have and gig with both. I would only use the Mackie in an event where speeches are most of the event. If it's a music-based event, QSC all the way since 2015.
I hawe two Mackie SRT212 i am blowed avay how those speakers working for band and dj. great speakers but in future i will buy two SRM Vclass 212 just great speakers
I use them I play for 8 hours they did the damn play I couldn't believe I have DJ's come up to me ask me what kind of speakers they left the party and with the Guitar Center in got some Mackie speakers 12in
@AndrewYates okay I already purchased a pair didn't want to do if it's wasn't worth it I do have the old k12 series an was gonna upgrade to the k12.2's but was just a little on the fence about it an ev's speakers I seen clips very earlier
Hopefully they're a huge step up sonically from the harsh sounding previous SRM ranges. I had a pair of SRM350V2s which I was never happy with no matter how I set them up and EQed them! I picked them up new at half price and it made sense after I started to use them why I got them so cheap.... Because frankly they sounded CRAP! Hopefully the new Mackie SRM range are a completely different story.
Proper wood cabinets will always sound a bit better than ABS (ex. QSC K series) or polypropylene (Mackie V-Class) but how much so, and who's noticing, is specific to each users needs. The DRM's were the first big step up in quality when Mackie re-launched their brand (without officially re-launching it...). V-Class is a huge step up for Mackie - been enjoying them a lot the last several months. Keep enjoying the DRM's!
After downloading the app, immediately ensure the latest firmware is updated (see Mackie's instructions). But I feel you, the app is a struggle for me and at this point I don't even use it. It would work for an hour or two, then go out, then come back, then go out again. I don't have time for that at events!! Frustrating.
I’m torn between the two brand. Seems like qsc has issues and need to be sent in to get fixed. My brother running qsc for karaoke inside, and recommendations?
I’ve had issues with our K12.2s and I know 2 other people personally same problems but theirs were worse they had to take them to get fixed somewhere and another buddy had to figure out how to get it out of protection mode.
Personally, I think they sound about the same. I used my Mackie's as mains with no sub a couple weeks ago - did fairly well all things considered, as the QSC's have.
Urrrrmmm the ports are engineered to ventilate temperature from the amp module?! Can't let that slide.. class D amps are efficient ergo do not get hot, and you WOULD NOT put a bad port in unless it were for one reason. To increase bas performance on the negative movement of the low frequency transducer
For live sound, all Class D amps produce heat, yes less than years past, but still heat. Many manufactures provide thermal protection for the voice coils and amps using 'on board sensors' and cooling fans (typically JBL, QSC, Yamaha, EV..) or heat sinks and convection (typically RCF, also EV...or these Mackie's). In these speakers there are additional cooling vents surrounding the voice coil, that combine with "directional cabinet porting" to ensure maximum heat dispersion and reliability, even at the highest and most sustained volumes. The ports multi-task.
Overkill for who? You..or the audience? Depends on venue size, audience size, speaker location relative to yourself etc. I would think generally not, but your specific setup matters.
Wow, you were doing so well . . . until you made that "For whatever those numbers are worth" statement when referring the dB, SPL ratings. As a Professional, I would like to think that you Know what those numbers are worth. They are Much More Important that any Wattage rating. Anyway, nice review. IMO, the Mackie speaker has a much better sound output when it comes to Frequency Range and Volume. Nothing wrong with the QSC though. Thank you for posting.
Thanks. Of course SPL, dB, sensitivity, range etc are important to speakers performance - my comment is referring to, simply put, most manufactures fudge the numbers, and there is no 'standard' way of testing how they're calculated so I find the numbers pretty useless to base anything on. Low end eBay speakers are reported as "135dB", or cheap DJ subs can hit "25hz", while proper concert systems and high end speakers have similar 'specs'. Manufacture specs are often exaggerated and not a reliable way to compare quality, reliability or 'loudness'.
They had probably closer to 20 years, from the time they stopped using RCF components in the early 2000's. As I said in the video, Mackie was bought out in late 2017 and within 12 months had a noticeable bump in quality. I had zero expectations when I got these, other than the DRM sound test I had heard. The SRM V-Class are truly well made and surprisingly on par - I own four K.2 series speakers and have been and currently still use QSC since 2011. QSC's warranty is very well known in audio circles, the surprise is that Mackie is offering the same 6 year (with registration) warranty.
Thanks for the review, really interesting stuff - Mackie hah, who would have thought 🙂 Your comment about two side handles was right on - why would any designer think that only one was a good idea...it's like they never use their own product. I also appreciated that you simply talked about the differences in sound quality instead of blasting the speaker at us (Which we all know is a total waste of time) Good sensible reviewing, thanks.
Appreciate the appreciation. I continue to use these regularly, really like them and am still surprised.
THANK YOU!! I just bought the QSCK 12 and due to some firmware issues, they are constantly turning off during my events. I’m also not finding a good fix to them, so I am thinking about returning them and I’m looking at other speakers that are comparable.
This video is just what I was looking for and I will highly consider these vclass thanks to you!
Great to hear!
Im having the same issue. did you find a fix for them? this comment is really the first time I've seen anyone with the same issue.
@@DJChopps No fix unfortunately- service center said I’d have to drop them off to change out the amps. Instead of doing all that, I just returned the QSCs and have been looking for a new speaker since. Sorry for the late reply!
Same thing happens to me
@@sambattle7705 sorry to hear that…disappointing that this is happening with QSC
I own the Mackie Thumps I’ve had for a year, I was looking at qsc and the rcf’s, but I started to read about the srm V-Class and it has caught my attention. I’m looking at the spl on the speakers and now I’m working out to make my final decision on these 3.
Im in the same situation now. What did you decide?
@@chuckmacki2256 well, I haven’t decided yet because a DJ friend of mine just told me about the Yamaha dzr10’s which are loud and clear, they’re a bit pricey and sound amazing. So I’m looking into those as well. So I’ll definitely be making a decision within the next two months
DZR's are awesome.
In my humble opinion as a DJ for over 20 years, these two guys cannot be compared. The Mackie has a low to upper mid boast that may sound good on low volume, but that does not sound the same on high volume. If you don't need to play on loud volume The Mackie is great but it's not a QSC. I do have and gig with both. I would only use the Mackie in an event where speeches are most of the event. If it's a music-based event, QSC all the way since 2015.
I hawe two Mackie SRT212 i am blowed avay how those speakers working for band and dj. great speakers but in future i will buy two SRM Vclass 212 just great speakers
I use them I play for 8 hours they did the damn play I couldn't believe I have DJ's come up to me ask me what kind of speakers they left the party and with the Guitar Center in got some Mackie speakers 12in
The V-Class have been really outstanding, been using them mostly outdoors. Love the mid range tone.
Excellent presentation.
Do you still have these speakers an if so are the worth buying
I do, and yes. I use them about half the time, the QSC's about half the time. They are holding up very well.
@AndrewYates okay I already purchased a pair didn't want to do if it's wasn't worth it I do have the old k12 series an was gonna upgrade to the k12.2's but was just a little on the fence about it an ev's speakers I seen clips very earlier
@@AndrewYates thank you for responding
Great review, thank you!
Awesome, glad you watched it.
Where can I get covers like you have on your subs. And what model subs are they?
Those are RCF Sub-705 ASII subs. The covers are called "RCF CVR SUB 705 II"
What about compared to their 15inch 2000 watts
Great video 👍
Thanks 👍
Hopefully they're a huge step up sonically from the harsh sounding previous SRM ranges. I had a pair of SRM350V2s which I was never happy with no matter how I set them up and EQed them! I picked them up new at half price and it made sense after I started to use them why I got them so cheap.... Because frankly they sounded CRAP! Hopefully the new Mackie SRM range are a completely different story.
I haven't liked Mackie since the early 2000's, but these really blew me away.
The 350's suck, the 450's are the better option
I own the Mackie DRM 212s & 215s. Much difference in sound from the wood DRM series? I love my DRMs.
Proper wood cabinets will always sound a bit better than ABS (ex. QSC K series) or polypropylene (Mackie V-Class) but how much so, and who's noticing, is specific to each users needs. The DRM's were the first big step up in quality when Mackie re-launched their brand (without officially re-launching it...). V-Class is a huge step up for Mackie - been enjoying them a lot the last several months. Keep enjoying the DRM's!
Have you ever tested the Mackie DRM 212 vs Mackie DRM 315 ?
Mackie SRM vs DRM what to buy ? I see the DRM are more expensive.
Are these series sounding better than the Srm415 made in USA very first model?
What's up with those lights on the front? Can they simply be turned off?
Absolutely, I typically have them off.
Olá boa noite.
Em sua Opinião,a Mackie SRM 212 V class ganha da QSC K12.2 ?
How are they with the rcf 705 and what do you cross over at 🤔
I am now crossing at 110, was crossing at 80. Sounds great, I feel like the 705 fills my smaller wedding venue better at 110.
I spent 4 hours trying to get the app to connect ... never did. Any suggestions?
After downloading the app, immediately ensure the latest firmware is updated (see Mackie's instructions). But I feel you, the app is a struggle for me and at this point I don't even use it. It would work for an hour or two, then go out, then come back, then go out again. I don't have time for that at events!! Frustrating.
I’m torn between the two brand. Seems like qsc has issues and need to be sent in to get fixed. My brother running qsc for karaoke inside, and recommendations?
I bought and returned QSCs within a month. The amp has issues
Have never had issues with my QSC gear going back to 2011. Keep the firmware updated and run them off proper power and there should be minimal issues.
I’ve had issues with our K12.2s and I know 2 other people personally same problems but theirs were worse they had to take them to get fixed somewhere and another buddy had to figure out how to get it out of protection mode.
Would these be an upgrade to my SRM450V2s?
Yes
Can anybody tell me does this speaker charge up does it have a battery pack to charge??
No battery on either of these. The Mackie does have bluetooth, but I really don't use it.
Does the bass sound better then the qsc 12.2??? Thanks
Sound is subjective, but specs sheet is similar! Only difference I see is Mackie offers a bit high dB SPL.
Personally, I think they sound about the same. I used my Mackie's as mains with no sub a couple weeks ago - did fairly well all things considered, as the QSC's have.
Urrrrmmm the ports are engineered to ventilate temperature from the amp module?! Can't let that slide.. class D amps are efficient ergo do not get hot, and you WOULD NOT put a bad port in unless it were for one reason. To increase bas performance on the negative movement of the low frequency transducer
For live sound, all Class D amps produce heat, yes less than years past, but still heat. Many manufactures provide thermal protection for the voice coils and amps using 'on board sensors' and cooling fans (typically JBL, QSC, Yamaha, EV..) or heat sinks and convection (typically RCF, also EV...or these Mackie's). In these speakers there are additional cooling vents surrounding the voice coil, that combine with "directional cabinet porting" to ensure maximum heat dispersion and reliability, even at the highest and most sustained volumes. The ports multi-task.
@@AndrewYates Heat rises, not downward so the vents are for bass response only.
Hi Andrew, is it an overkill speaker for solo signing with only delay and reverb and without any instruments?
Overkill for who? You..or the audience? Depends on venue size, audience size, speaker location relative to yourself etc. I would think generally not, but your specific setup matters.
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The pole cup is not durable
Wow, you were doing so well . . . until you made that "For whatever those numbers are worth" statement when referring the dB, SPL ratings. As a Professional, I would like to think that you Know what those numbers are worth. They are Much More Important that any Wattage rating.
Anyway, nice review.
IMO, the Mackie speaker has a much better sound output when it comes to Frequency Range and Volume. Nothing wrong with the QSC though.
Thank you for posting.
Thanks. Of course SPL, dB, sensitivity, range etc are important to speakers performance - my comment is referring to, simply put, most manufactures fudge the numbers, and there is no 'standard' way of testing how they're calculated so I find the numbers pretty useless to base anything on. Low end eBay speakers are reported as "135dB", or cheap DJ subs can hit "25hz", while proper concert systems and high end speakers have similar 'specs'. Manufacture specs are often exaggerated and not a reliable way to compare quality, reliability or 'loudness'.
Jus reminding you that mackie had over 10 years to get it right and I noticed u conveniently left out QSC also has a six year warranty
They had probably closer to 20 years, from the time they stopped using RCF components in the early 2000's. As I said in the video, Mackie was bought out in late 2017 and within 12 months had a noticeable bump in quality. I had zero expectations when I got these, other than the DRM sound test I had heard. The SRM V-Class are truly well made and surprisingly on par - I own four K.2 series speakers and have been and currently still use QSC since 2011. QSC's warranty is very well known in audio circles, the surprise is that Mackie is offering the same 6 year (with registration) warranty.
He does at one point say both speakers carry a 6 year warranty..
Ugly design
I don’t like the looks