Power Driven Diesel Timing Kit Instructions
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- Опубліковано 11 гру 2016
- Power Driven Diesel timing kit use and how-to instructional video. We walk you through how to time your P-Pumped diesel engine.
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EXCELLENT . This is the type of video you hope to find on the internet . Not some guy working in his driveway doing it for the first time . This one is getting saved !!!
Glad you found it!
Thank you for the how to video and the kit! I did things a little different when pulling the gear off. I roughly lined up the timing arm in the injection pump and removed the nut and washer on the pump gear. Lined up the injection pump pin and pinned the pump with the injection pump gear still pressed on. Then pulled off the gear to avoid the risk of breaking off the injection pump pin 👍.
I am not new to mechanics but I'm learning as I go on these diesels basically I'm trying to find a very simple way to do this this is not a bad way is the way that he is showing it here in this video so basically what you're saying is you got that little tiny pin or arm whatever you want to call it that's in the pump that has the plastic thing you got that at top dead center first then you jumped up on loosen the bolts on the timing gear for the pee pump itself and then wow that little pin is locked in place in the pee pump and now you have the gear sprocket loose you turn the engine to where it was top dead center and push the pin in the little plastic pin in steel whatever it's made out of right besides the pump now you pull the gear off everything's locked in place pull your pump off then put your new pump on and when you put the new pump on does it already come timed to the original spec of the side of the engine the data plate or do you put the new pump buy hand separate from the engine cuz the engines already locked at top dead center and you just line it up just how the one you removed was and the same identical positionand then your timing set without using no type of degree wheels or anything forgive me if I am speaking wrong on this but I think that's the way that it goes there's got to be a way to do this just like changing anything else without even using any of this stuff if you just want to go back to factory
Thank you for this, It explains it perfectly!
This video is friggin' gold. Thank you
Great video and explanation. This really helped me understand the timing process with both the engine and p7100!
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Thank you so much, such a clear and understandable video.
Best description iv seen yet
Can you make another video with the adjustable pump gear thanks ..you all have been a big help for me
I always loosen the pump gear nut but dont remove it till the gear is popped loose
If you have your front cover off and remove the pump gear nut then put the puller on the gear when it pops loose your gear will end up on the floor
27year mid range factory trained cummins tec
🤦🏼♂️I learned to keep a hand on it after the first fail
ive been looking for this and finally found it
awesome video . and a super easy way to time an engine, plus I really liked seeing my engine and pump , lol, love the billet cam pin just wish you used the billet pump pin ! , but seeing the stock one takes any confusion out of the equation for any noobs watching,
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I love these
Thank you for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Nice plate! Ordered
Awesome! Thank you!
Very well done
Why did you change the timing, what else do you need to change and what does it do to power and fuel consumption?
What is the best timing for a 4BT? Doing a compound setup with bigger injectors.. etc..
Also, is that a nordlock washer? How's that working out?
What kind of adjustable gear do you use?
Well this is waaay easier than using the dial indicator method.
Guys I am new to the 12v but videos like this help me with my build #eddiepellegrin
So does this work with unknown timing etc? Ppump swap... pin tdc the motor, pin the pump cam without the gear then install the gear at what ever advanced timing..?.. or is there more to it since the pump would be zeroed as well as the motor rather than say factory 12.5 or 14 degree
Excellent Video guys Thank you. Question though. One we check pump/pin time, how do we ensure both time and to not shear plastic pin off once we start to loosen pump gear nut. Conversely if we confirm pin/pump time but then pull plastic pin so not to shear it off then loosen gear nut won’t the pump slightly rotate throwing everything outa time??
Seems like it would be better to loosen the nut BEFORE putting the tool into the pump. That way, you don't accidentally turn the motor/pump while trying to get it loose (and shear off the pin in the pump.)
Have you ever checked this compared to spill timing method
Can 215hp pumps at 13.5 stock timing benefit from 18° I know all pumps are times different from factory. Can some p7100 pump perform better than others with same "18°" let's say a 160hp vs 180 or 215? Thank you.
What if your pump has jumped timing? Would you pin the pump first, pull the gear and then find TDC on the motor?
pin time the pump first then pull the gear off. this makes it easier to turn the pump where it is supposed to be. then when you pull the gear off and turn the engine you can find tdc and the pump gear is of so it won't move.
What would you charge to take a 6-4 out of a Ford Powerstroke they put in a Cummings Diesel turn key ready to go
I’ve been watching your video for a while. I will be shopping from your site first chance I get. I was wondering if you all have any products for 01-02 P Pump Conversions? And if so, may you please make a video on the conversion? Thanks
@@pddofficial can i get the link for the timing kit? o also have an 01 24v that i and converting to p7100 but am having a hell of a time figuring out correct timing... i had the pump timed at 18 degrees from our local injection shop. any help would be greatly appreciated
@@deanpeterson7972 I've got a 01 24v with a p pump as well. What timing did you end up going with?
This only works if you know where the timings at correct? And if so how do you find where it’s at
When you find TDC should the pin in the pump be visible or will you have to rewind the engine to the correct degree to find the pin?
Pretty sure u go clockwise with it till u find the pin in the pump
Did you remove your TDC pin before removed your 8 degrees
How accurate is this compared to a dial indicator?
Another great video. I suppose if the killer dowel hasn't been taken care of yet, a person could change their time while also taking care of that issue. By the way what years was that an issue?
Parent of Twins. Pretty sure the 94-98.5 2nd gens were the only culprits. Man get it done before it’s too late!!!
@@thankfullife7968 also the 89-93... everyone forgets about a 1st gen.
My 98 12 valve had the dowel pin fall out before I bought it around 190k and my 97 was still good with around 190k. I think the guy who sold me the 98 tried turning up the fuel but didn't know what he was doing and that might be why the dowel fell out. I drove it straight home after buying it and immediately started restoring the entire engine. My 97 was a lot more clean than my 98 as well. I've been curious if they were built in different factories.
What are you turning on the engine to make it spin when setting the time. Like what nut or gear or what?
Usually crank it via the alternator
If everything is torqued down properly, when you go to pull the injection pump gear, do you leave the plastic tool in the pump?
This is explained in the video
would it be a bad idea to put thin bendable sheet of steel just inside the case to catch any slag and put a small tack weld on the pump gear for that little bit added piece of mind?
would work just fine.
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I don't always do my timing....... But when I do I use a paper plate and a jizz rag....... 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Do you have an install video for the adjustable timing gear and how do you verify timing
No you do not need the timing adjustable gear and easy way to verify timing is to look up spill port timing. that will get you what the timing of an unknown pump is.
@@pddofficial I already purchased the adjustable timing gear and was curious if you have an install video for the part and setting timing with the adjustable gear
Hello, in my case my truck injection time is 12.3 degrees. How many degrees will I have to advance. I bought a tool from you and I look forward to using it. Thanks
@@pddofficial is the factory timing the same for all let's say 215hp pumps. My truck doesn't have the data plate and some say factory timing on a 215hp is 13.5 some say 15.5 did some searching but can't find a solid answer. Would 18° be good for a 215 pump? AFC live and supporting modifications, 4k gsk, 60lb over valve springs, 191 delivery valves, ( runs very clean ) 5 speed 4.10 rear end. 9,000 pound service truck, daily driver with a little get up and go. I don't hot rod the truck, but do enjoy a smile here and there. Also tow 10k pounds on occasion. Thank you in advance.
just wondering if this timing kit you sell will work for me when i Ppump swap my 24V? and if so where do you get the top dead center pin that located on the back side of the timing housing?
Thank you for the info ill be buying that tool and the push pin didn't come with the gearcase. So where could i buy one?
Ok cool I'll google that and see what I come up with!!
Good question!!
so you can crack the nut loose on the pump with the pin in place.. then after timing only partly tighten with the pin in place?.. i don'y want to break my pin
Hello. Why do you need to adjust the timing? What is it good for? :)
When you advance the pump timing you increase the high rpm horsepower. Sometimes you get a little better mpg. Up to a point, don’t go to far. A few degrees maxes a big difference.
So if you set your degree ring magnet on the pulley as soon as you get the TDC Plunger in and set the wire indicator pointing to zero. Once you pull the TDC cam pin and rotate your engine to find the pumps marker you will be able to see and know your pump is set at 14 degrees or if it's been changed. Correct?
(I think my engines previous owner monkeyed with the timing!)
Then it will just be a matter of popping off the timing gear and rotating the engine to the degrees you want to total advance it and will not have any question as to what it's set at, if I understand this correctly. No adding or guesssing as I see it.
You set this one to 22 degrrees advanced, but I thought I was told that for my 400 HP settings I only needed 18 degrees. So I'll be doing some research before I torque it all back down.
FYI the pressure bvalves and govenor springs were quite the challenge to do standing on my head using mirrors. Hence me switching to simple back up cameras and a monitor.
Been a few years since I degreed out my Hot Rod Gas Engines cams, and just making sure I have the total comcept in my head.
Cuz, I'm about to do mine in my front engine RV and it's going to be a standing on my head job. My plan is to set up small 4 inch back up monitor & camera, p;us a bore camera for the P Pump and do it all by feel and watching the monitors.
Should be interesting!!!!!
I tried torquing the 24mm plug to 50 ft lbs… did not end well. Go easy on that one
Do you have a video for the VE pump Cummins? I am having some troubles
No sorry we do not.
In order to time the P-Pump the vacuum pump needs to be removed?
No the vacuum pump can stay in place.
@@pddofficial Thanks
How much power increase can be expected from this? Will it make cold starts harder?
Timing does make starts a little harder, but ultimately if you’re running more fuel then timing is a good idea to clean up smoke
Does it only work for the 12 valve or does it work to set the timing on a 24 valve ppump
Any p7100 motor.
So is 22 degrees the go to number
Just bought your degree wheel,is coming in the mail,my 96 Dodge has close to 300k on it,just bought back from my son,mine original,,Beautiful Ol Gal,so I can safely go 8 degrees ,my Son had bought the AFC unit,I installed it already,just looking to gain a few ponies,runs Excellent,what would you suggest after timing,probably new injectors Im sure,thanks
Yes depending on your power goal a new set of injectors would be a good option.
So 20 degrees is a good place,heard that could make a hard start,right now it fires Nice,hit the key and she lights off,
I’ve always spill port timed
What would be the best timing for towing? Or to get the best fuel economy?
I think I remember reading that around 15.5 gives a little better fuel economy without making it hard to start.
Nordlock?
What if you don’t know your timing before you start?
How can you tell by using this wheel if the timing has already been changed on the engine?
you would have to use the spill port method or a dial indicator
My only issue is spraying solvent into the crank case. Am I worrying too much?
no we always do a oil change afterwards
Now how do you do this with a VE?
On a VE pump you can adjust the pump by loosening the bolts taking a ratchet strap and getting it as close to the head as you can witch typically nets you 3* advance other wise you are taking the gear case cover off and jumping a tooth on the gears.
So the timing was at 14 deg stock. You added 8 deg so you took it 22 deg. Isn’t the best between 16-18 deg?
PowerDrivenDiesel so is 6° of timing on a overhauled but stock 12 valve too much?
Sry for the noob question but what are the Benefits of retarding it 8 degrees more? Do you gain hp? Or faster acceleration? Does it run rough at idle or smoother?
retarding makes it fire fuel quicker to the cylinder therefore it can gain power from what i remember
By retarding the engine like this you’re not changing the valve train timing but you are actually advancing the fuel timing which puts fuel into the cylinders earlier creating a better chance for the fuel to burn completely before going out the exhaust, increases power but will increase cylinder pressure/temps and can cause hard starting when cold
@@jessevella7616 I’ve had advancing the timing help starting not doing it this way though we tilted pump and it was on another pump
How is your buddy rotating the motor?
With a barring tool
What I can't understand is why I have set the timing on my truck about 20 times and it still acts like the timing slips or is not set properly. I'm running out of ideas
I'm a little confused. You pinned the engine to top dead center. How did you keep turning the pump to center to pin it with the engine pinned?
They should line up together when the motor is pinned otherwise you have to double nut the pump and spin it that way
@@pddofficialok thank you and thank you for the reply. Next question.. I installed ypur 4k springs .. tgeres apparently no fuel plate in this thing ( prior owners doings) and it still won't rev past 2200 rpm.. do I need to keep the fuel solenoid off??? Or on?? Vany help is greatly appreciated
What if it's not at factory timing?? How do u adjust it then
Pin the motor at TDC and pin the pump so you know that everything is at zero, just like he did in the video.
Okay so if I tdc the pump and engine separate I am at 0° timing or stock timing?
Blake Taylor stock timing. The pump timing lock pin is set to the spec on the cover unless the pump was ever off and rebuilt and requested that the static timing lock be moved to a new pin timing.
Honestly though using the dial indicator method I feel is better in the long run.
agreed! or how do you find where the timing is set to begin with if it has been fooled with?
Bro I think even this second so called dirty cheep way should be decently accurate I don’t see why not
We agree do it all the time!
Where to acquire the magnetic degree wheel
powerdrivendiesel.com/product/magnetic-degree-wheel/
Why is the timing set at 22 degrees. As I have noticed, most people don't go past 18. what are the advantages or disadvantages if I set mine at 22, or 18, or 16 or what ever?
Excellent!!! Thank you so much. I will be purchasing the timing magnet soon.
Is this pretty much the same for a first gen?
it is not the VE pump have a key way so you have to skip a tooth on them
@@pddofficial you should make a video on this
Why 22 deg?
Timing will depend on where you live to what kind of power you are after?
In your video you show a piece of wire as a marker for the timing . But on your website your kit does not show the wire . Is this something you have to make yourself ??
He said in the vid its just a piece of wire he put around the 10mm bolt for reference
Oil fill tube ??
What
Do you have a 12v Cummins or p-pumped 24v? All the factory pickup truck 1994 thru 1998 12v Cummins have an oil fill/oil cap and tube assembly. This whole assembly can be removed to gain access to the injection pump gear/nut.
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how much should i retard my engine i bought the 600 hp kit from yall
Depending on what your factory timing is 6-4*
Sure it's not 18 ft/lbs lol