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12:22 "There is a lot of political advantage for things to be broken" explains everything in today's decaying society.
First they give you the illness, then they make you go to them for the cure... that they don't have...
Political and economic - for the ultra rich and corporations. It's all about greed and lust for power.
It's so evident these days. Particularly in Australia.
When I was a kid back in the 60s, there was a saying, " don't trust anyone over 30". That was an artifact of the youth culture of the day, but now it's gonna be "don't trust anyone..." Hopefully things will calm down soon Fran - but I agree with you for the most part, especially about using primary sources for information.....
@@stevengill1736 Hey remember "Wild in the Streets"? 14 or fight! :)
I would say, "I'm not a bot" but then everyone will say, "that's what a bot would say"..... true...
This could come full circle though, where you only trust face to face conversation, like people used to do.
Then your AI will just read your lips and lock you out of the main ship.
"Shall we play a game?"
Yeah, how about the Global Thermonuclear War?
Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?
@@ZCount a strange game... The only winning move is not to play.
When this hits the fan, you would be wishing the machines were sentient. Human controllers are the epitome of evil.
Bad example of AI tbh. Colossus is more realistic. Where the WOPR could be destroyed, Colossus could not and Colossus became self aware.
We as humans gave it control over the nuclear arsenal and it could launch even in the event that the GVT in the USA was wiped out. Because of the arms race and monitoring all forms of communications,, Colossus determined that the USSR had a similar machine and wanted to establish an unbreakable link between the two. Once this was done, Colossus (USA) & Guardian (USSR) became one. World Control.
The fact it monitored all telephone, radio, television & satellite communications it could determine what actions to take. It had full video monitorinf abilitoes as well. After all look at the UK where there are cameras EVERYWHERE. Now tie that with facial recognition.
See where its all headed to?
We are just at the beginning of Colossus. Think it cant happen? Think again. The genie is out of the bottle and we cant put it back.
I advise people to watch Colossus: the Forbin project
You have connected the dots and called out very serious risks. Thanks for sharing this clear summary of tech, people, government, history, and our future!
Wise words, wisdom is in short supply in the age of easy information.
I only want a robot that is keeping the house clean, while I am working. Not the other way around.
Got my EMP’s on standby
As someone who majored in AI/Expert systems, many of us predicted the dumbing-down of future generations back in the '80s and '90s; foresaw the utter reliance upon highly-complex and fragile systems. Our bosses said we were crazy.
How many people these days can even read a paper map? Spelling and grammar? Do math in their heads? .......
I'm trying to remember the compsci wizard who said: "I'm not afraid of computers becoming intelligent. I'm afraid of humans coming down to meet them halfway." One interesting thing is that we now have computers powerful enough to run the classical high level languages well. Those provided tools for writing robust systems that could be repaired on the fly. I'm thinking of Common Lisp's and Smalltalk's break/debug/resume systems. Of course you had to design your code well for those to be useful. Breaking out into a debugger wasn't wonderful if the system at hand was a rats nest of bad coding decisions. Nonetheless, we haven't escaped our fetish for near bare metal coding, and so we deal with crap like giant C++ and C (hey., I'm a C coder too) code bases.
Paper maps, grammer and math-in-head is how you measure generational abilities? Oh please, its the same argument as the math teacher in school - what will you do when no calculators are around, yet those were cheap and plentiful since the 90s, and I have 6 things in my immediate vicinity that contains a calculator. Yet I'm yet to see someone with a paper map or an abacus in hand.
@@VEC7ORlt When I was in private school, starting in 7th grade, early '70s, calculators were just becoming available and all the rich kids had one. The math department banned the use of electronic calculators and required we use long math and slide rules, knowing that we were training our brains to THINK in certain ways; something that wouldn't occur if we just let the machines do the work.
Later, when I went back to public school and university, I was MILES ahead of my friends and contemporaries, especially in math. I'm still way ahead of those people, and have been for decades.
I stand by everything I said. That you seem to not understand these concepts says alot. Developing critical thinking skills requires doing the math and grammar, etc., in your head so you actually KNOW WHAT TF YOU ARE DOING, and what you are talking about.
Edit: I notice that you don't seem to know what a slide rule is (Abacus? Really?), or that the first truly pocket-sized electronic calculator was available in 1971, or that they were plentiful by the mid '70s...
I didn't have to google that. I read it in Popular Science (remember magazines?).
@@TheGhungFu does the elitism come from the private school or just a byproduct of slide-rule use?
Now then, the point I was making - each era uses what is best available to them - you needed/used slide rules/calculators, peeps who grew up with the internet and the abundance of information - learning as such is less necessary than the ability to navigate said information, next gen will use AI in whatever shape or for it will evolve (now its just autocorrect on steroids).
I know when the first electronic calculator was available and what chipset it used, I'm talking about the time when a scientific calculator went for 20 units of your currency and was available in any corner shop.
Reading magazines are we? Is that monocle comfortable?
@@VEC7ORlt - I have ... five slide rules within 50 feet of me. I used them in the 80's. I don't use them now because I don't need to do that kind of math in my day to day job. I _have_ seen people using an abacus.
I always hear from people who do public messaging, "The public is too stupid for such details! It has to be simpler!" It's a feedback loop leading to a more emotion-driven, critical thinking-devoid population. Don't worry, it's not just Boomers concerned. There are thinking people in every generation.
Much of what you've said us happening now is by design.
I've also noticed a few types of comment bots rapidly proliferating in UA-cam. The first type, as mentioned seems to be analyzing the video and characterizing the subjects covered. Often with timestamps. They've improved to the point of being seemingly useful, at least for viewers that don't want to watch the entire video. But, those viewers might impact the content providers revenue negatively by reducing net views as measured by UA-cam. The second type seem to generate a generic "positive" comment and come from a newly created user with a profile image of a minimally clad bikini bottom, mostly a rear view and sometimes a front view. Their whole point seems to be to entice viewers to view their profile where there's a url, presumably as advertising for "services". The third type of comment bot is the latest iteration of the Nigerian prince letter offering high returns on "investment" and is implemented as a comment with a series of replies giving typically a WhatsApp telephone number and "testimonials".
There are other comment bots that I haven't seen any increased activity from recently, but maybe some have gotten so lifelike I'm not recognizing their true nature.
Yeah, I report every instance of the type 2 & 3 scam/spam bots I come across.
They target videos from channels who have high sub counts, and are usually amongst the first bundle of commenters.
The fact that UA-cam is unwilling to actually put systems in place to identify them is very telling, especially when they are all using exactly the same easily distinguishable profile pics & channel header images.
The type 3s are everywhere. It's kind of impressive, the sheer number of accounts the scammers have to be burning through.
I'm beyond worried, I'm desperate. Human stupidity and selfishness made me lose faith in humanity, if it ever meant anything... (knowing that I'm part of the problem doesn't help at all)
Ya, thanks to Fran's video I can more clearly see the "death by 1000 cuts" model seems more likely than The Singularity or Skynet and it's already begun. For our own health let's all remember to take regular breaks from the news and the tech.
Danke!
I just commented about how I haven't heard anyone mention the obvious implications on a space fall channel and see it has gotten taken down, as I didn't want to re-type it. Thanks for the film Colossus, how did I ever miss that one? There won't be a need to for human interaction, just updates on the code, thus at least doubling effectiveness. And they have the pedal depressed all the way.
There was significant push back about building the H-Bomb, even a group of scientist at Met Lab wrote a letter stating as much, "Franck Report. The bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki may have ended the war, but it put us in a 50 year nuclear arms race. GAI is a greater threat to humanity as nuclear war. We could really be headed to a Judgement Day scenario and naively reject it just as those in the movie did. Additionally social engineering by AI could just as easily convince a human to act nefariously. GAI, doesn't necessarily need to be connected to arsenal directly.
Great job and insights Fran. Please keep up the fine work. And, yup, I'm not a bot... :)
We probably have about three years of getting facts online before the net looses all credibility
1) See the movie the Forbin Project (as you said)
2) We may in fact be seeing a local maximum of AI. They digest the internet to feed the AI which then is fed into the internet. Over time more and more of what AI sees will be AI generated content. This is a positive feedback situation and at some point the system will go unstable and oscillate. What AI puts out will be so obviously hair brained that it no longer is credible, The whole think may come crashing down and a new breakthrough may be needed.
3) Those selling AI and looking for investors have an interest in suggesting AI is nearly ready for prime time. How long has Tesla been selling "Full Self Driving" that is scheduled to start working some time next year.
Lets create a bot that detects bots and replies to them.
This is how it starts with the Matrix in the Animatrix, The Second renaissance. We give birth to A.I. we abuse it, and it backfires on us. We are walking straight to that event.
I'm not worried, but only because it's taken years of therapy and meds to learn I can't freak out about what's out of my control. (Analysis paralysis sucks, in every way.) I certainly don't think anyone's dumb for worrying about this. All we can do is all we can do -- vote with your vote, and vote with your dollar. Seemingly, this dystopian bot future isn't what most of us want. If that's actually the case, we'll be fine... eventually.
excellent insights .x
Just remind them of Colossus the Forbin project.
Colossus did kind of have a point in that one. The two supercomputers managed to do something that the humans failed to do: Negotiate a stable peace. They only took charge because they concluded that humans with their war-loving ways are not fit to govern themselves.
I have that movie and is VERY relevant now. It was way ahead of its time even though it was done in 1970. We are at that point now
Couldn't agree more Fran. Thanks for pointing it out.
"I don't think I can do that, Dave."
"I for one, welcome our robot overlords"
Thanks for the reference to the film A face in the crowd. I just watched it. Very prescient.
Yes it's horizontal. Turn it off , set the camera the way it should be and start over, is probably the best way to correct it
SOYLENT GREEN IS PEOPLE!!!!
love the forbin project reference.
It always comes down to human ability to learn, adapt and overcome. That's what this world is about.
❤ I am NI, that's what I answered to AI, I'm Natrural Intelligence, and as I'm writing this , I'm keeping my five Goats in the Hills, under Woods, because we know geomagnetic field is Wickening, we are more exposed to Sun flares, cosmos ratiations, so at end grok AI answered me, that she is not connected to Internet, so she can't speculate on my questions ... This should show everyone that you must do what humans do, study, being wise and take your decisions by yourselves, not by law, order, or to not being criticized. They want us to be farm animals. That's a thouth from Josephine, one goat who always decide if she go out to the fields, or not, no Ai there, but NI.
I saw this as you livecast, but later that night something gnawed at me: you mention COLOSSUS: THE FORBIN PROJECT, but before that? In '65 we had Frank Herbert having the Butlerian Jihad as world-building backstory in DUNE, and before THAT, in 1947 we had Jack Williamson's terrifying short story "With Folded Hands...".
Dig the Science News. Remember to breathe.
In 2016 I gave up all social media (except UA-cam) and I'm so happy I did. I'd be a nervous wreck by now if I stayed on those platforms.
Just saw this and NO, I'm NOT a bot, but a real person. My comments are genuine. And thanks for reading the comments on your videos sent in. You're doing great Fran. Keep doing what you're doing. Always best of wishes. My belief on A.I. will be man's downfall.
A modern war of the worlds. The original broadcast some(a lot) people thought it was real. It was just radio show but it caused problems and some deaths.
Hi Fran
How would we know if an AI was dumber than a stick or hyper intelligent and was giving us stupid answers to see what humans do?
Loving the content, definitely some things think about.
// Delete before compiling I think the fleshy ones are on to us
Because if you make it, you can take it apart. No-one understands entirely how the GPT chatbots work, because the weights within are determined by machine learning and their complexity is far beyond the limits of human comprehension. You can't even try to represent it graphically - the embeddings used by GPT-3 are mathematical structures in a 12,288-dimensional space, humans just can't visualise that. But the architecture within which that learning happens is human-designed, and entirely comprehensible. The designers know where knowledge is, even if they can't read or meaningfully modify it. They know how much is in there. They know the data flow from input to output. And so they can see the distinct lack of any human-like structures within there. The GPT bots have no mechanism for short-term memory aside from their own output - they literally can't remember anything they haven't outputted, because there's no-where to record it, and the capacity of their buffer is exactly known and observable.
GPT chat bots are not general artificial intelligence. Though if such a technology is ever developed, it is possible that technology descended from GPT bots could be one component within it.
Seems like Botpocalypse has already happened.
bots are more than 50% now
Well said , Young people to day, cant conceptualize the idea of self though, and that a healthy skepticism is important , blind faith is just that blind. this statement was brought to you by, Ai incorporated,ware we tell you what we think you need to know for the better of every one, ❤ ya Fran
Well they're inexperienced and optimistic.
Probably it's been important for human evolution that we start out that way
Well said Fran. Well said.
Don’t assume what motivates people as often they won’t admit… Fortunately not everyone is conditioned by fear, pain or death. Which is good. Cheers 👍
Warren Buffett recently confronted an AI version of himself. I was never crazy about AI only because what could go wrong.
How about a nice game of chess?
I can't open the door, Dave.
The WOPR was 1 machine that could easily be destroyed.
Colossus on the other hand was self protecting and was much more self aware
I was a member of the launch team for 16 submarine launched missiles capable of delivering nuclear warheads. I am very comfortable with the checks and balances involved in our deterrent system. So I too can speak from a position of knowledge of how things work and their history.
I fully agree with your analysis, discouraging as it is. One small improvement would be if social media accounts were not anonymous and free. There should be some kind of verification and identification of the party doing the posting, and we should have to pay money in order to post.
Am I the only one that seen Peewee Herman turn around and wave at us! Fran, check your Lab Space!
'n thank you ^-^
Really hoping the Vulcans come save us soon
This is true.
You're right...and it's scary. People don't even know/care that's happening...MANY parts have been done before!
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NO! I am not a bot but your comment about a fictional event, reminds me of the Radio broadcast of War Of The Worlds.
Storytime like War of the worlds.😅
I always said ...I won't believe anything at all until I see robots walking down my street
Thats stupid because they will greatly effect you online long before that.
@@SoulAir Im not worried about online robots
The fact that society is becoming more like the movie Idiocracy is scary enough.
According to The Algorithm, I've failed The Turing Test multiple times 🤔 LOL
In Australia the newspapers are mostly owned by two big media companies pushing their own agenda, so reading the news from them is not much help either. I think the only way to get you news is find it from multiple independent sources and be critical.
I love the work you do, Fran. You've weathered a lot of shit, and still ground out good content. That was an electrical joke. Anyway, keep it up!
We are not responsible enough to have a thing like A.I. in our hands. However, nothing will stop it. No government will reject it. A.I. offers everything to everyone and anyone who asks. That is god-like power. Show me a government that is citizen-focused enough to resist that temptation. Then show me the rest of the governments. Nothing will stop this.
4:40 kind of a reverse Mandela effect
Imo, a few very wealthy entities protect their wealth by funding 'professional' reactionary media dedicated to building mistrust in academic expertise. It's a decades long project and objectively has been a success. When you're distracted by everything else, you're not thinking about how much a billion dollars is or that, in the interest of a healthier society, should be appropriately taxed.
I'm 59, living in Sweden, but still meet people in their 70's loving and consuming all the conspiracies without thinking. Experienced people, completely lost mentally.
Dang, LLMs will be the destruction of the Internet! We don't even need them to ruin comments sections. Imgur used too have such a wonderful comments section for like a year or two.
We've cosseted and protected our baby boomers. It's a bad thing, their naive and as you say have no life experience. AI is a real threat that needs to be addressed by the older people who know that shit happens. We are far too reliant on new technology.
I've noticed bots for years, even advanced ones in videogames. The fake players in videogames encourage people to buy stuff that gives them an advantage. The amount of greed and corruption in the world is getting way out of hand, things need to change fast.
I've given up on google and am using bing atm cos it gives more relevant results... Not that I'm deluding myself that microsoft is some shining blameless company btw.
Not a bot btw.
Every time I make a comment recommending google ecosystem alternatives, it disappears within minutes.
I'm not going to worry about a "botpocolypse" any time soon. For a machine to want to take over, it would first have to have a desire to do so. A desire for anything requires a human soul. So until such time as someone writes the "soul 1.0" plug-in, I remain skeptical.
Parody?
The bots do as they are told. More or less - generative text isn't entirely stable.
Picture China making a million bots and setting them to roam the internet finding videos about china and praising the government, and down-voting anything critical.
Now picture America making a million bots to find the same videos and do the opposite.
Now China makes a billion bots.
So does America.
And China makes a trillion, running on a giant supercomputing cluster.
Meanwhile every company is hiring a 'reputation management' firm to do the same thing for their brand, and they are all trying to out-spend each other because Ford wants more bots than Chrysler and Pepsi wants more than Coke...
The fear is that eventually the internet has thousands of times more bots than it does humans.
Bots are human controlled. You should be a lot more worried about the kind of people who will control them, far before any intelligent machine ever happens.
And none of the "AI" that exists right now is actually intelligence. It's NOT AI.
Thanks!
Wise words Fran....😊
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Heh, oh yes. I recall how naively optimistic I was in the 90's era of the internet. How I thought that free access to information would bring about a new enlightenment, etc. Somehow, I thought both that folks posting/creating content would continue in the good-faith spirit of the original, academic web, and that new users would have the same level of critical thinking and bs skepticism as folks who grew up in a paper world where it was much harder to ferret out information. Around the time of sept 11, I started to worry. At least there's a whole generation who grew up in this brave new world before skynet really got legs, and I still have a sherd of hope that they have a mutation that will provide a bit of immunity, or at least tolerance to the torrent of bs around the corner. Bah...
*blip* *blop* how so you do fellow non-artificial entity?
Its too late, now that you have become a robot, you want us to see you in 2027, is that the date for your final form? Whats up with that, and whys it gotta be like that? Sincerely, a multi cellular entity.
There is so much money to be made and the worlds governments all want it first, danger or not. We are screwed.💀
As it is, we're a Carrington event away from total breakdown of society because e v e r y t h i n g is totally tech based.........might not be such a bad thing TBH
I work with some of these models professionally. I share your concern about human abuse, and disinformation specifically. The people building these things generally get it. But there's so much we have to gain from this technology. At its core, automated agents especially, which can plan, empower people to do such great things without too much help. I am excited about what people will do with this. And optimistic that the good stuff will outpace the bad (to the extent that our value systems align).
Wouldnt the bots end up causing views to go up as well? Real views are like 1/4 of what they really are?
Oh you’re so right Fran, people need to look at movies like a face in the crowd and understand the power of suggestion and media because boy are we ever there now
Oh my what a hot button. I'm an old (79) Vietnam veteran, boomer. I see a future where boomers will be reviled for having picked all the low hanging fruit. My friends say, why should I care? I'll be dead then. So selfish. Yep, reviled.
No bots my lady
Right now the bots just seem stupid. I could understand a bot that sounds like an interesting person that when you go to their channel it's just an ad for "undressed ladies" (making it clean for the UA-cam algorithm). I think they're just being trained for something bigger later.
I think the idea that you can get any unbiased new anywhere is a fallacy. I just focus on learning things and using the golden rule, treat other how you wanna be treated and maybe the world will get better.
H.G wells war of the worlds all over again
Today, success on UA-cam is measured by how many bots you have in the comments.
This is the voice of world control....?
What if ‘Bots’ identity as human…?
"Comment bot" or just a human who can't write coherently?
My wife saw "A Face in the Crowd" several years ago on Turner Classic Movies and told me it was terrifying and awesome. I haven't seen it myself but since it's in black and white, a lot of kids won't even give it a chance,
Colossus: The Forbin Project is one of my favorites. When I got a voice box for my Atari800 the first thing I got it to say was "This is the voice of World Control!"
For those who want to learn, there are now more ways to do it. But for a lot of people it just doesn't feel worth it.
04:21 In the olden days this was called "rabble-rousing", nothing new, just disappointing that there are still rabble to be roused.
Dead internet
it feels like the urgent problem is so-called AI _in the service of horrible people_, as a tool for easily manipulating many people very quickly and effectively, essentially a zombie army. I really wonder what a true Artificial Intelligence, more intelligent than us, would decide to do though. Colossus is a great film and suggests one possible path.
I can think of WW2 and Propaganda that was generated then !
Mind programming
What is the payoff for someone using “bot technology “ to make comments on UA-cam videos?
There has to be a motive for someone going to that much effort. Or, has AI simply gone amok, and this is all random occurrence?
They could be trying to reverse engineer us e.g. Find out what gets replies and engagement.
the bots aren't the problem, the people using the bots are.
it's like when nuclear power came to be...
we can use it to power things like homes and stuff but then we decided to make a bunch of bombs with it instead.
i guess what i'm trying to say is, disinformation is basically the nuclear bombs of the AI world.
Boomers created the world we all live in. Life experience is important. AI has the potential to be a good thing and equally the potential to be very dangerous. Caution is prudent.
Individuals who prefer ignorance to understanding, proxy their existence to malevolent manipulation.
Well, Boomer here, and here's what the majority of us agree on; As Fran said (im paraphrasing) there is nothing in this world mature people find more obnoxious than young people telling us we don't know anything, are wrong about everything, brushed away with a complete disrespect and disregard for warnings. Repeated warnings..
Welp, how about using that all so human thing we boss: choice to be more human. It took a guy to write about that before, perhaps cuz the doom of humanity was occurring?
You aren't crazy. Philosophers have been talking about it since Nuetchie. Post Modernism and the hyper-real.
Nietzsche
Just because someone says Boomer doesn't mean they are a lot younger than you. They could be a millenial or a gen x.