EV Motorcycle is Full of Surprises! | Livewire S2 Del Mar
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- Опубліковано 3 жов 2024
- Surprise MFER'S! Some good, a few bad but this electric motorbike has quite a few unexpected things I've learned owning this Electric Motorbike.
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I don't know how LiveWire handles the voltage readout, but on a 'cold' battery at 100%, the charge isn't accurate as the voltage has been floated - even though you've gone 7,8,9 miles and it still shows 100%, it's definitely not at 100%. The BMS is just reading from a cell that hasn't been used yet. Go for a long ride, throw it on a charger, and leave as soon as it hits 100% - guarantee the SoC will drop to 99% within a mile. I really don't start trusting the SoC until I hit 70% on a cold battery. This is not the same case on the LW1, which has a very accurate SoC - perhaps Livewire has some debugging to do
Yup…I have kinda learn to “ride around” that wonky charge drop. But it is kind of useful for me to figure out how my range will mostly likely look by the number of miles my first % drop goes. Arguably, it would be very nice to not have to use that method :D
Nice! A well-rounded review of life with an EV bike. Still too little range and functionality for me, but it's getting there.
Thanks man!
Thanks for the very informative video.
I've been eating up anything Del Mar related here on UA-cam as I am dead set on getting one early next year... On paper it seems perfect for me and my lifestyle. I live alone, no partner, no kids and naturally am minimalist. I already live close to work (not that it REALLY matters) and after two years riding an ebike almost daily it just nudged me further to wanting a motorcycle in general... For me it's gonna be a step by step thing, I am already signed up for a motorcycle class in late September (have to wait for it to at least START to cool down here in AZ before going) and most people say it isn't scary to get your license, just pay attention, follow the course, learn and have fun. This being said it will be weird if one day I have the Del Mar and cannot ride a "regular" motorcycle because I'm so use to no clutch and no shifting.
I live in Arizona and according to LiveWire's website there are two dealers fairly close to me that not only sell them, but service them as well, one of which is literally a 15 minute drive, so that's nice... I'm extremely curious what the OTD price will be for me here in AZ as our state does not offer any type of discount specifically for electric motorcycles.
I've also read on reddit about people going into a dealer to purchase one and 1) Being seemingly "talked out" of it by a rep, which I'm just going to assume if that happens then you just have the wrong person... And 2) Even though the price may list as $15,999, I've read people getting marked up almost $4,000 extra when everything is said and done... At the rate I am going I am going to have near $17,000 ready to spend when I pull the trigger next February... I'm really really looking to avoid payments if I can and just slowly start adding minor storage to the bike.
All in all, I still get that sunken feeling in my stomach of like, "man, is this REALLY the right choice for me?" but at the same time I'm nearing 40 and I'm like, "forget it, if this is a mid life crisis thing, so be it, I'm done listening to others, I'm just gonna do what I want."
Wow what an amazing post! I can advise theee things. #1 don’t worry about if you can ride a gas bike or not. You are going to love an EV, period. #2 go to the Harley dealers well before you decide to buy a bike and get a feel for the dealerships. That dealership relationship is super important and rivals your decision on what bike to get. TRUST ME on this. Your dealership experience is very important. Since there are no state rebates ask if live lwire is giving any rebates. A normal price to pay is Msrp + dealer prep & freight. Most people are like $800 on top of Msrp. Then Tax title and license. Most likely about $17,000 out the door. if a dealership tries to add additional markup just walk out. That’s not the right dealer for you. Also before you buy the Motorcycle talk to the service department. Ask them how much a first service on the Del Mar will be. Because it’s solo maintenance it should be well under $500. Ask them how long in advance you neee to book it. Their answers will tell you what type of dealer ship experience you can expect. #3 the Delmar has a lot of power and some low traction tires. It’s very easy to ride but can be a handful for new riders. Also check out the Mulholland (same platform) but it has sticker tires.
Ok, here goes. Totally ignoring the high initial cost (mid-teens) you're saying a penny-per-mile vs 10 cents per mile but the elephant in the room is it is an EV....at what point does the battery need to be replaced? Isn't battery replacement about half the initial cost of the bike, like between as "little" as $5,000 to upwards of $7,000? If so, that would offset the "savings" early on (you're at 2,500 miles); figure in the exorbitant eventual expense and that kills the economic feasibility over the long run.
It’s a good point. I don’t know the battery cost, but according to livewire it is about a 10 year battery (5 year warranty). In 10 years If a new battery is still in the $5000 range (todays money) I’ll be 100% shocked. It might even be to the stage in the $100’s by then if battery development continues on pace. Additionally, I’d say ~10 years is about the average for an gasoline engine rebuild. Probably 2000-4000 in todays money, so one could factor that in as well.
What's the cost of a new engine on a motorcycle? Obviously this depends on the bike - cheaper bike, cheaper engine. The cost of the battery on the LiveWire One is $8-9k, which is the same cost as an engine replacement on a comparable cc bike by Harley. The difference between the two is that riding wears out one, and charging nature wears out the other. I'm only comparing to the LW1 because we don't have specs on the Del Mar, but can assume the nature is comparable. As long as you aren't being an idiot (leaving the bike at 0% or 100% longer than it needs to), the battery will last quite a while before needing replacement. The LW1 battery is rated to at least 80% degradation after 1200 cycles - and that's just to cover HDs butt. Because of the battery chemistry, most Lithium Ion batteries 'settle' when they're new, so the state of health will drop a little within the first year, but will typically hold after that period. My current LW1 has a state of health of 97% at 14k miles - which is the same as it was when I initially had it assessed at 1k miles. I've put that bike through its paces, more than any other LW1 rider out there. Not counting warranty issues or factory component failures (very rare), you really have to try to damage the batteries to the point it has to be replaced.
@@AdventuresonZero great points!
Two things: 1) for a Harley motorcycle, the Del Mar is at the bottom of the price range. 2) At what point DOES the battery need to be replaced? Why assume that this will happen sooner rather than later (or ever)?
@@Drstrapps because it’s expected based on the nature of the technology. Heat is the biggest factor of degradation for all electronics. Dendrites form when there is prolonged heat, and that is what reduces range because it no longer allows the cells to retain properties to make energy. Much how oil lubricates and protects components from producing friction and overheating on ICE, rider behavior and proper charging/storage techniques prevent degradation on EV. Manufacturers like LiveWire are covering their liabilities in stating degradation is expected.