4.6L 2V INTAKE TEST-MAGNUM PI FTW! (PT 1)

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  • Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
  • FULL DYNO RESULTS-TRUCK VS PI VS FORD RACING BULLET! WHICH INTAKE MANIFOLD IS BEST FOR YOUR 4.6L 2V MODULAR FORD? WHAT IS THE SUPER COOL, TRICK TECH OFFERED BY THE TRUCK INTAKE? DO THE LONGER RUNNER IN THE TRUCK INTAKE HURT TOP-END POWER COMPARED TO THE POWER IMPROVED (PI) INTAKE? DOES THE GIANT (OVAL) THROTTLE BODY ON THE FORD RACING BULLET INTAKE OFFER AND POWER GAINS? IT'S ALL HERE IN PART 1, PLUS A TEASER FOR WHAT'S COMING IN PART 2!
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  • @Dustinscustoms
    @Dustinscustoms 3 роки тому +34

    Glad someone did this test would be really cool to see more 2 valve

  • @JC-gw3yo
    @JC-gw3yo 2 роки тому +15

    Trick Flow has developed a new "canted valve head" for the 4.6 . Be great to see how it works here too

  • @kennethpowers8995
    @kennethpowers8995 2 роки тому +18

    I really hope eventually your channel gets to the level it deserves Sir, you put such a great and dedicated energy into your content and the information is better than you can get literally ANYWHERE else.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  2 роки тому +6

      I appreciate that!

    • @r.p.9815
      @r.p.9815 Рік тому +1

      @@richardholdener1727 Good afternoon Mr. Holdener. I hope you are having a great day. Quick question for you. On your personal opinion what's is the best brand for the plastic Intake MANIFOLD for the 4.6L 2V? Is going on a stock 05 Grand Marquis. Thank you in advance and if you have part number for it. It would be awesome too. Excellent channel!!! Thank you for your dedication to it.

  • @johnherbold6539
    @johnherbold6539 3 роки тому +26

    I hope we can see trickflow twisted wedge heads in a video. Richard talked about it in a live stream on how good they are once.

    • @kingyamaha9637
      @kingyamaha9637 3 роки тому +3

      Was looking into those with cams 👀

    • @cainadkins3985
      @cainadkins3985 3 роки тому

      Watch modular head shops video on trick flow heads and why there pi cans dont "work" with them

    • @Spad68
      @Spad68 2 роки тому

      @@cainadkins3985 he hasn't done a vidio in a very long time . Is he still in business? Loved watching his videos.

  • @69BigLou
    @69BigLou 3 роки тому +14

    Cant wait for part 2!
    2Vs for Life😁

  • @brendanbuster
    @brendanbuster 3 роки тому +6

    I dig the 4.6 2V and 3V. Always gotta root for the underdog.

    • @billyray4716
      @billyray4716 2 роки тому +1

      If you can raise the compression they can hit ls territory. Their hp per liter is plenty with just a cam and bolt on. If only the 2v was like 5.5 liters or so

  • @DragRacerVideo
    @DragRacerVideo 2 роки тому +3

    Good job explaining the difference in all of em ...as usual...keep em coming Richard

  • @adamnorris163
    @adamnorris163 3 роки тому +3

    Love these videos. Always something new and interesting. Keep it up Richard

  • @johnbeardsley2962
    @johnbeardsley2962 3 роки тому +2

    You're the man Richard! We ask and a day later you provide!

  • @madmod
    @madmod 3 роки тому +8

    I have a cheap cost effective option on my NPI 2v. It uses a PI manifold from a 2011 crown vic and a V10 Triton dual 57mm Throttle body and 2 phenolic adapter plates to mount the two together. It looks like a composite plastic copy of a Bullitt.

    • @yeanah2571
      @yeanah2571 2 роки тому +1

      Interesting. Just bought an 03 Crown Vic a few days ago, didn't know some of this stuff was an option. Didn't know the 6.8 had a big TB like that

    • @madmod
      @madmod 2 роки тому +1

      @@yeanah2571 Yes sir! The v10 shares the same Twin blade tb as the 4.6L 4v Cobras and the plenum/elbow has all the same vacuum ports and even shares the tps, and iac valve. The only thing you have to delete is egr. The plenum is ultimately going to be used with my Victor Jr intake manifold as a cost effective option for a 6061 sheetmetal plenum but I ran it on my pi intake swapped 1996 gt. It replaced a 04 crown vic plenum that I ported to 75mm on the inlet and turned into glorified tinfoil, ran with an aviator 70mm throttle body. Both run very good and better than stock but the dual blade plenum is more noticeable past 4000rpms. Pretty cheap mod for power gains when done with a pi intake swap but money is probably better spent in gearing especially on a big Vic!

    • @benignocepeda7720
      @benignocepeda7720 Рік тому

      @@madmod what vehicle did you put this on?

    • @madmod
      @madmod Рік тому

      @@benignocepeda7720 I had it on a 96 Mustang Gt with a Pi intake, then a Victor Jr intake.

  • @jonadkins9339
    @jonadkins9339 3 роки тому +2

    Awesome video as always Richard!

  • @RJon2006
    @RJon2006 3 роки тому +3

    Stock PI intakes are the best intake for most mild 2Vs making under 500w. Eddy for the big power 2Vs. The other benefit for the PI in real world driving is the lack of heat soak. Nitrous on stock PI manifolds is fine, just don’t spray over 150 and don’t spray under 4000rpm. Good video. I was pleasantly surprised at how the bullitt did. I thought it would have gained more than it did up too even on the mild cam.

  • @jayallen408
    @jayallen408 3 роки тому +9

    What I learned is unless you build your motor changing the intake is pointless.
    Good to know 😎👍

    • @Shadow0fd3ath24
      @Shadow0fd3ath24 Рік тому +2

      not if you get one dirt cheap at a junkyard and pair it with a cold air intake etc. It can gain 15+whp in some apps with a later bigger throttle body on an older mustang

    • @davidross-oo2vh
      @davidross-oo2vh 10 місяців тому

      My 98 gt 4.6... put a bbk cold air kit on..
      Hypertech tune..Plugs..injectors..pump..Ford PH2464
      F.E. Performance intake..h pipe..flo mo super 40s...Engine flew to pieces.. Timing chain broke..Pushed the crankshaft snout out of the engine and the balancer .Hit the ground and I ran over it..Ugh..junk

  • @A.J.1656
    @A.J.1656 3 роки тому +7

    The Bullitt had different exhaust, intake manifold, throttle body and pulleys and depending on sources was only rated 5-15 HP more than the GT. It's not too surprising that the intake alone didn't produce a huge gain.
    I just pulled my Bullitt's motor for a rebuild. I got some ARH long tubes and x-pipe and I'm planning on TFS heads and cams.
    Oh, and I might sacrifice a complete Cobra engine to Build it on a Teksid block with a forged crank. Haha

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead 3 роки тому +1

      get the matching cams for those heads, more power..

    • @A.J.1656
      @A.J.1656 3 роки тому

      I'll get the cams from Modular Head Shop, since Trick Flow's cams are designed for a PI head and not their own head.

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead 3 роки тому

      @@A.J.1656 what, as far as i know TrickFlow makes those cams specific for their head, heck, Comp Cams told me themselves..lol

    • @rickstorm4198
      @rickstorm4198 Рік тому

      @tigerlock.... Nope since they moved the intake valve it changed valve timing events..... In order to fix that a cam needs to be machined for it. Any P.I. Head cam will retard the cam timing events. Cost anywhere from 15 to 40 hp depending on combo. I saw this issue day one in my head. I worked in a performance machine shop and was astounded nobody caught this issue. What's worse is i never said anything and a year or two after the heads released people started figuring it out. I was like duh...

  • @klampykixx
    @klampykixx 3 роки тому +1

    This video pretty much answers what ive been wondering about plenum volume.
    But what id love to know, if the smaller plenum could be deemed restrictive at higher rpm would increased capacity of just the plenum offer a boost in overall output or only at the torque peaks?

  • @ForneyRider
    @ForneyRider 3 роки тому +3

    Back in the day everyone wanted a bull it intake. Especially with centri guys.

  • @carloverstreet5884
    @carloverstreet5884 Рік тому +6

    Hmm, wonder if that truck intake will fit under the hood of a town car or Crown Vic? Seems the low end torque boost would be helpful in such heavy cars.

    • @6lik6
      @6lik6 10 місяців тому

      have you seen any difference

  • @teal_2v338
    @teal_2v338 3 роки тому +1

    Insane! Im kinda sad for the bullitt intake😪 i hoped more of it! Could you plz richard add the bullitt intake in you 2nd video? Or is it to late? I also would like to see it shine with a more wild combo ported pi ‘s big cam with a good c/r 🤓🤩. Ty so much for this test !

  • @dom_not_torretotedesco5707
    @dom_not_torretotedesco5707 3 роки тому +7

    Love the 2v!!!!!!!

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead 3 роки тому +1

      Amen brother, me too.. The 4v n LS guys just don't get it, funk them..lol My completely stock 2v in my 09 P71 made 222whp on a Mustang dyno, not too many ppl were happy to hear that n thought i was lying or modded..lol

  • @lulujrlaulom7905
    @lulujrlaulom7905 2 роки тому +1

    Nice work Richard

  • @MB-ib5ji
    @MB-ib5ji 3 роки тому +1

    I would like to see one of those old overhead cam Ford 302 or Chevy 350 conversions that will be very cool? And would be very cool to see a 427 sohc Test😜 Back in like 1984 I could have got my hands on one for $12,000! Was cool looking back that i got To fondle one on an engine stand...that is a big motor.

  • @hermanrogers1325
    @hermanrogers1325 11 місяців тому +1

    I have two mustang GT a 04 and a 14 5.0h natural aspiration modifying the 5.0h is the best bang for the money

  • @josephburns5783
    @josephburns5783 Рік тому +1

    Finally found a video with the truck manifold ! Have you done any videos with tfs 2v heads ?

  • @slayerofsouls1182
    @slayerofsouls1182 2 роки тому +4

    I wanna see the dorman myth adressed with an p.I intake. Factory vs replacment

  • @moosestangls5099
    @moosestangls5099 3 роки тому +1

    Awesome video

  • @wayneireland4802
    @wayneireland4802 3 роки тому +2

    Thanks for posting all vids answers a lot question which would be impossible for the average Joe.peace

  • @jasoncampbell4723
    @jasoncampbell4723 3 роки тому +5

    My next project will be using ported P.I. Heads so I’ll be looking forward to that next video. They’ll be on a higher compression non P.I. Short block.

    • @smokenchoken1736
      @smokenchoken1736 3 роки тому +3

      Id like to do this as well and just a small cam upgrade

    • @cainadkins3985
      @cainadkins3985 3 роки тому +2

      My plan lol medium sized cam and a garret turbo from a 6.0 powerstroke

  • @jedwards100able
    @jedwards100able 2 роки тому +1

    Try a intake from a 2009 up F150 truck they look just like the mustang/crown vic intake but the runners underneath the intake are lot longer. They go twice depth down in valley as car intake

  • @Stoneybastard420
    @Stoneybastard420 3 роки тому +2

    I love your videos do some more 5.4 3v and 4.6 3v 😁😁😁😁😁🙏🙏🙏

  • @ciscoh1
    @ciscoh1 3 місяці тому +1

    Would love to try and put one of these on an expedition. Could use the power when I hit the desert

  • @Fograys
    @Fograys 3 роки тому

    So glad you're getting around to testing these intakes, many thanks 🙂.
    Now maybe the TFS 2valve heads and whether they need specific cams or not 😄

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  3 роки тому +2

      they do not-I already spoke to the designer (many times)

    • @brandona4618
      @brandona4618 3 роки тому

      ua-cam.com/video/PJYT-mELogI/v-deo.html Jordan does a good video on TFS heads and TFS cams. And the differences than PI heads and camd.

    • @randolphniles2332
      @randolphniles2332 3 роки тому +1

      You mentioned in your book an extrude hone bullitt intake with a jt trim, any gains from porting?

  • @2RCPRODUCTIONS
    @2RCPRODUCTIONS 3 роки тому +1

    Cool video and thanks for taking the time for testing but stock pi engine intake test would be really cool between stock and the Bullitt intake.

  • @SteveM-426
    @SteveM-426 2 роки тому +1

    I have a Stock 2000 MGM with single exhaust. Have you ever tested manifolds on a "Truly Non Pi" Motor like mine? Thanks, Steve.

  • @teal_2v338
    @teal_2v338 3 роки тому +1

    Woot woot!!!! So exited!!!!!

  • @Lillyrose1028
    @Lillyrose1028 2 роки тому +2

    So where did you find the aluminum pi truck manifold

  • @canadianmarauder1923
    @canadianmarauder1923 3 роки тому +6

    Interesting stuff Richard. I would like to build a 2v 4.6 and stay n/a. The 6.2 boss engine seems like a 4.6 stroker with a 4” bore. I’ve been obsessed with the 6.2 ever since I bought a totalled off raptor

    • @dannycalley7777
      @dannycalley7777 3 роки тому +2

      C.M. ……………….that engine is a sleeper , cylinder heads like a boss 429, semi hemi flow in the 300 hundreds, good bottom end and cubic inches , and good bore space !!!

    • @robinesavage404
      @robinesavage404 3 роки тому

      The 6.2 Boss is a diamond in the rough. Check out the video of the 460ci 6.2 Ford. It's pretty damn impressive!

  • @teal_2v338
    @teal_2v338 3 роки тому +1

    So bullitt intake dont worth the money .. unless im planing to boost or go all out 12:1 cr 7500rpm with my ported pi’s and big cam.. ????

  • @BlindMansRevenge2002
    @BlindMansRevenge2002 11 місяців тому +1

    What’s the part number for that truck intake manifold? I have a 2003 mustang GT!

  • @sock979
    @sock979 2 роки тому +1

    Toyota actually use that divider in the manifold as well on their v6s in Camry and solara v6's there was nothing really amazing about that engine except for that one little manifold unless you got the very rare TRD supercharger for it which it was weird if I remember right there was actually no special tuning for it though although I think some people ran the 7th injectors setup commonly used on good Tacoma superchargers back then it's been so long I just can't remember but it was pretty interesting and super rare

  • @stevencaskey9440
    @stevencaskey9440 Рік тому +1

    Need to get your hands on the Ford Performance FR500 Intake Manifold. The only issue with that one is the cost of it being everywhere from 3k to 10k. The bullet Manifold also adds 40lbs to the top of your engine meanwhile the PI doesnt. However, You have to Port the Bullet manifold and have much bigger Cams and Ported PI Heads, forged internals, and boost to truly take advantage of that manifold.

  • @toms5oh
    @toms5oh 3 роки тому +1

    what about the trick flow 2v intake?

  • @unclesquirrel6951
    @unclesquirrel6951 3 роки тому +14

    Personally I blame squirrels

  • @russelljackson7034
    @russelljackson7034 3 роки тому +1

    Right on

  • @georgebrooks58
    @georgebrooks58 3 роки тому +4

    I have the P51 on my F1-A 4.6 2V. Made 720whp with a medium pulley.

  • @Johnnyeatsitall
    @Johnnyeatsitall 3 роки тому +1

    Jesus my brother wanted the aluminum ford racing manifold to 🤣

  • @mathewhoffer4541
    @mathewhoffer4541 Рік тому +1

    Question ? Your 4.62V test engine using NPI heads ported for PI intakes with coolant passage welded using comp cam springs ? You said you are using the comp cams XE262AH cams ? these have .550 lift ? I was under the assumption that the NPI mustang heads are limited to .530 lift and either need the spring seats surfaced or special retainers and locks ? could you clarify that neither of these were done and that the PI version of the comp cams work in the NPI heads ? was trying to locate a spring seat cutter and pilot to resurface NPI spring seats for the PI aftermarket cams on ported NPI heads but everyone steers me to bridgeport tools ? I am trying to get s seat cutter that is identical to the seat dimensions because these valve guide seals also have a metal spring seat to keep the springs from searing into the aluminum head ? if the cutter is not perfect the valve guide seal will not sit correctly and the spring sits on the valve guide seal. would you need to machine the top of the guide and run a seal directly on the guide and use a metal washer under the springs to protect the heads ?

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Рік тому

      we installed new springs

    • @mathewhoffer4541
      @mathewhoffer4541 Рік тому

      @@richardholdener1727 yes aware you need upgraded springs but they say the NPI heads cannot run .550 cams without spring pockets machined or custom retainers that add clearance so there is no coil bind ? most likely if you did not have the spring seats machined you got the special retainers and locks with the springs ? the probably just told you you needed them and did not explain why ?

    • @mathewhoffer4541
      @mathewhoffer4541 Рік тому

      Crower Offset retainers to run PI aftermarket comp cams in NPI heads if spring pockets are not machined

  • @jhoncho4x4
    @jhoncho4x4 3 роки тому +1

    Another great video.
    Still patiently waiting for AMC 360, with boost.

  • @jeffschwartz5199
    @jeffschwartz5199 3 роки тому +1

    Cool 😎!

  • @raybradley4722
    @raybradley4722 2 роки тому +1

    I own a 03 mustang gt and i really need all the info ,ty

  • @madmod
    @madmod 3 роки тому +2

    Yes!!!

  • @hugieflhr03
    @hugieflhr03 3 роки тому +1

    That PI manifold had a really sharp torque peak and then dip. Was that the plenum divider opening? I have a similar set up on my 16 power wagon 6.4 . It hits 4500rpm and you can feel that plenum flapper open.

  • @karamawwad3702
    @karamawwad3702 7 місяців тому

    Good evening Sir, I hope you are doing well….
    I am a mechanic from California working on a 99 F150 with a 4.6 2V Romeo.
    Engine is bad, customer supplied me with a 2012 built brand new crate 4.6 2V / PI motor.
    Referencing your video; will the truck intake manifold ( that might be an NPI ) fit the new PI engine?
    If not, what are my options?
    Thank you

  • @acemobile9806
    @acemobile9806 3 роки тому +1

    Time to show the 2V 6.8 some attention...the big bang kind 💥💥💥

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 3 роки тому

      We all wanna see it. If for no other reason than to see it kaboom. I just wanna see one making 1000hp. The trick is gonna be spinning it fast enough and then the crank shaft potentially being unstable, or cam bearings problems.. I'm hoping. Big time. I think one in an f150 street truck would be hilarious

    • @sategllib2191
      @sategllib2191 2 роки тому

      @@PureCountryof91 I want a single cab flare side manual v10 f150 so bad lol

    • @PureCountryof91
      @PureCountryof91 2 роки тому

      @@sategllib2191 t56 then a 6.8 with manual PCM, tuned, and custom exhaust.

  • @mayracingandfabricationco.20
    @mayracingandfabricationco.20 3 роки тому +1

    Richard do you think if you get the aluminum bottom half of the planum it'll be an advantage or disadvantage..

  • @linoacuna4283
    @linoacuna4283 2 роки тому +1

    I have the professional intake manifold on my pi 2v

  • @brandonjenkins4385
    @brandonjenkins4385 3 роки тому +3

    Typhoon intake manifold and edelbrock intake

  • @jasongarcia5165
    @jasongarcia5165 Рік тому +1

    Hey Richard! Just reaching out because I’ve been watching your videos lately and have seen you do a lot with the ford 4.6 2v. I have a 09 f150 4.6 2v and was trying to see if you could lead me in any direction to get performance stuff for it. Hard to find anything for this truck. For sure lacking power in this engine but it lasts! Looking to get some more pep in it. Have kept up with maintenance since the day I got it. Thanks In advance. Really need some help

  • @vendediesel
    @vendediesel 3 роки тому +1

    Non PI's 96 and up stock for stock actually have a higher peak flow stock for stock but as mentioned are limited by the non PI intake. You have to machine out the swirl dams on the PI's to get them to outflow them peak, so I think this is fair.

    • @timothybayliss6680
      @timothybayliss6680 3 роки тому

      I thought nonpi heads also came with a different spring pack that required some serious work to get more than .500 lift.

    • @vendediesel
      @vendediesel 3 роки тому

      @@timothybayliss6680 PI cams work fine. They're .505 I believe. They aren't really high rpm cams anyway. With OHC you don't need all the spring tension in the world at higher rpm.

  • @thegalli
    @thegalli Рік тому +1

    even with porting did the non-pi heads compare to a stock pi head?

  • @TheModAddict
    @TheModAddict 2 роки тому +1

    Would love to see stock pi vs victor jr

  • @roberth6399
    @roberth6399 3 роки тому +1

    Need to add the Vic Jr. its only the most used intake on fast 2v's.....killing me Richard!

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  3 роки тому

      THIS WAS DONE BEFORE THAT INTAKE EXISTED

    • @roberth6399
      @roberth6399 3 роки тому +1

      @@richardholdener1727 Time for an updated test. The 2v world is hotter now than it was 10+ years ago. Hell I will loan you a Vic Jr to test and two junkyard HX35's if you want to do a big bang 2v :)

  • @tommymach1301
    @tommymach1301 2 роки тому +1

    Have you or can you do intake and throttlebody setups on the 4.6 dohc?

  • @RicardoAnzolaMusic
    @RicardoAnzolaMusic 3 роки тому +2

    Pleaaaase a 5.4 2V test! Or high comp 5.4 4V

    • @BuffMyRadius
      @BuffMyRadius 3 роки тому

      The 4V is already a 9.5:1 motor, you could probably extract another 8-10% going crazy high comp on race gas but some boost is probably more practical.

  • @Sebastianbartledoo
    @Sebastianbartledoo 3 роки тому +2

    I wanna see a cold vs hot spark plug test

  • @jesusmorinjr.8408
    @jesusmorinjr.8408 3 роки тому +1

    What would be a good set of cams for a 2000 truck 4.6, 3200 stall 4.10 gears?

  • @absolute357
    @absolute357 Рік тому +1

    Can the truck manifold be ran on a car and utilize the open close function?

  • @paintballpartutd
    @paintballpartutd 3 роки тому +4

    Make 2 valves great again!

  • @2vgod460
    @2vgod460 2 роки тому +1

    Why would you do a non pi that just runingsbthe video for me, since I’m a pi engine

  • @gtgodbear6320
    @gtgodbear6320 3 роки тому +1

    What about the GT40

  • @01Snorky
    @01Snorky 3 роки тому +3

    I love the test.. just wish it were done on a real PI headed shortblock.. beggars cant be choosers though :-D

    • @madmod
      @madmod 2 роки тому +3

      Pi heads arent all that. 90% of the improvements from the full pi swap comes from the intake manifold and cams. The rest of the gains are primarily the bump in compression which if matched, the npi will produce similar HP. The PI heads really dont flow much better than a NPI and both are pretty lethargic. When you consider the PI has 13cc larger intake ports (159cc vs 146cc) that average only around 10cfm greater flow across the low-mid lift range and actually less high lift and peak flow (160cfm @.550 for pi, 175cfm @.550 for NPI), it looks less appealing. You also have to realize, the npi head has a single angle valve job vs 3 angle with a PI head and you start really seeing the issue. A matched valve job will produce greater average and peak flow numbers out of a NPI than a stock pi head despite smaller ports which means the head has better port velocity. The guys who actually know how to port npi's like Renegade got similar flow numbers to MPH PI's but do so with swirl dams in place making a far more efficient combustion chamber vs the pi head which is already detonation prone due to the plug inserts you have to run on almost every casting. Non PI's benefit from thicker decks, deeper combustion chambers that allow huge ptv compared to a pi, and even use the same pi valve spring just installed at a shorter height which allows for more valve control at a cost of max lift before coil bind. You can fit cams with such a tight ICL in a Npi that would bend valves on any pi combo regardless of degreeing and that is more conducive for power production. Johnny Langton went 12.98 @103 in a 3700lb thunderbird on renegade ported NPI heads, stock shortblock at 9.3:1 compression, stock pi camshafts, stock pi intake manifold, while running through a 4r70w automatic. Thats stock coyote territory for a *lot* less money.

    • @danielcooper3130
      @danielcooper3130 2 роки тому

      @@madmod thats fast for a v8 non intech/cobra v8 bird..gona have to look into renegade porting

    • @madmod
      @madmod 2 роки тому

      @@danielcooper3130 He ended up going a lot faster. He later ran a shelf comp 270 cam and stayed na with the auto trans. He went a best of 12.16 @ 111 still at full 3700lb weight with subs in the trunk and full interior. Imagine his drivetrain in a 2900lb fox or 3100lb sn95.

  • @adamturner2507
    @adamturner2507 3 роки тому +1

    The 4.6 2v truck motor has heads with larger intake ports and closed chamber heads

    • @TheVenom8343
      @TheVenom8343 3 роки тому

      Really? I always thought the truck and the car engines were basically the same, minus the intake of course.

    • @adamturner2507
      @adamturner2507 3 роки тому

      @@TheVenom8343 no I have a 98 crown vic and its got small ports i got a 98 and 99 f150 base model 2wd they both base large ports

    • @mercury0214
      @mercury0214 3 роки тому

      @@adamturner2507 yes 98 is non pi 99 is pi all 99+ 4.6 2vs are the same only difference is intake

  • @Tomcat71
    @Tomcat71 Рік тому +1

    be curious to see the 2004 Econoline 5.4 manifold, it has a lower plenum design .

  • @bodyshotjake7475
    @bodyshotjake7475 Рік тому +1

    Any comparison with the Vic Jr

  • @chrismaze3441
    @chrismaze3441 2 роки тому +1

    Do they even make the P-51 intakes any more I can't source one any where

  • @kylejohnson7258
    @kylejohnson7258 2 роки тому +1

    What is the firing order on a 4.6 2v sohc 97 model

  • @TP-ie3hj
    @TP-ie3hj Рік тому +1

    I know its near impossible and the general idea is the same.....which works best. That being said all tests are always on a motor that has cams cylinder heads or some other major modifications completed. If you just have a 2v and you need a intake which actually flows best? Which one would be worth the $$$ that question is never answered beyond it flows up top ...which is the description of the product provided by Ford Racing. No idea what it would actually do to the motor that it was designed for. Other than that.

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Рік тому

      do not run the ford racing intake on a stock motor-use the pi intake

  • @robertmeese6545
    @robertmeese6545 Рік тому +1

    They say the best engine that Ford haves is the 4.6. I have one in my truck that haves 271,089 that still quiet an runs good. Still want that Coyote 5.0 in a truck.🤷‍♂️

  • @jeffsnyder2051
    @jeffsnyder2051 3 роки тому +1

    i was hopeing to see a professional products typhoon intake test too.

    • @xxxmikeyjock
      @xxxmikeyjock 3 роки тому

      hard to find. I would like one. the only aftermarket you can find is the single plane edel.

    • @teal_2v338
      @teal_2v338 3 роки тому

      @@xxxmikeyjock what are you saying? Theres plenty of those? Typhoon / trick flow / vic jr are easy to find... bullitt isnt!

  • @fordhoarder
    @fordhoarder 3 роки тому +5

    That looks like a dorman intake. Stock intakes have been proven to make a significant amount more power than the dorman piece.

    • @banneddamn
      @banneddamn 3 роки тому +4

      Its not. Dormans look dramatically different.

  • @billjones2005
    @billjones2005 11 місяців тому +1

    where is part 2 ???

  • @bajadan2769
    @bajadan2769 3 місяці тому +1

    where can I get a manifold for a v10 --3 vakve

  • @BustedWalletGarage
    @BustedWalletGarage 3 роки тому +7

    The plastic intakes are better because nitrous backfires

    • @teal_2v338
      @teal_2v338 3 роки тому

      Uh? Because they can explodes like a frag?

    • @lloydholt6511
      @lloydholt6511 3 роки тому

      .?

    • @BustedWalletGarage
      @BustedWalletGarage 3 роки тому +1

      @@lloydholt6511 when the nitrous backfires you’d rather have a cheap plastic intake shatter than a $1000 ( ? ) metal one.

    • @teal_2v338
      @teal_2v338 3 роки тому

      @@BustedWalletGarage you think the aluminium one’S will shatter?

    • @BustedWalletGarage
      @BustedWalletGarage 3 роки тому +2

      @@teal_2v338 I’ve seen a GT-40 intake explode on nitrous. Really sucked because they haven’t made that intake in over 20 years.

  • @465maltbie
    @465maltbie 3 роки тому +4

    CAn you talk more about the truck manifold? I have a 2000 f150 and I dont think I have ever gotten it above 3000 rpm. Charles

    • @thebigpicture2032
      @thebigpicture2032 3 роки тому +1

      Me too. My head gasket went so I was thinking of upgrading but I don’t want to lose torque or power down low. I only use it as a truck.

    • @LargeMuscularTitties
      @LargeMuscularTitties 3 роки тому

      I would say stick with the truck intake. The plastic PI intakes still have issues with coolant leaks and unless you're revving your trucks out to redline consistently you're probably better off sticking with the metal torquier truck intake

    • @thebigpicture2032
      @thebigpicture2032 3 роки тому

      @@LargeMuscularTitties Thanks! That’s good to know.

  • @darinmackenzie546
    @darinmackenzie546 2 роки тому +1

    You mentioned a part 2 to this video and I can not find it.

  • @242bleek
    @242bleek 3 роки тому +1

    That hard U turn before the throttle body on the Bullitt intake looks terrible for flow.

  • @shawnsilverstang2138
    @shawnsilverstang2138 3 роки тому +1

    These are obviously flywheel HP and TQ numbers correct?

    • @elkameleong
      @elkameleong 3 роки тому +1

      Yeah on the engine dyno, usually with no accessories either

  • @Projectpompeii
    @Projectpompeii 3 роки тому +1

    Finally

  • @michaeldelaney7271
    @michaeldelaney7271 Рік тому

    "PI" is Performance Improved?

  • @RW-zh7kl
    @RW-zh7kl Рік тому +1

    Your 4.6 engine seems like it makes way more power than a stock 4.6PI 2v engine.
    I can't believe just porting heads and a cam can make almost an extra 100 hp?

  • @ryandedobbeleer8464
    @ryandedobbeleer8464 3 роки тому +3

    I'd like too see the typoon professional products intake

    • @madmod
      @madmod 3 роки тому +1

      Stock plastic Pi > pro products unless its ported. Ive seen power losses going to the aluminum with the acception to ported intakes.

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck 3 роки тому

      @@madmod the trickflow intakes make power.

    • @madmod
      @madmod 3 роки тому +1

      @@Prestiged_peck Depending on the model, the Trickflow has a larger cross sectional area then a pi manifold but the runner length makes them more suited to 5k+ rpms. I believe the Tfs, vic jr, and Riechard are among the few that exceed 200cfm per runner. Obviously that level of flow isnt needed below 5k rpms.

    • @Prestiged_peck
      @Prestiged_peck 3 роки тому +2

      @@madmod yeah, that is very much the case, but these motors pretty much gotta rev to make power anyways just cause of how small they are.

    • @madmod
      @madmod 3 роки тому

      @@Prestiged_peck 350ft/lbs through the curve with only 281 cubes and 9.3:1 compression is by no means a slouch at low rpms. This combo only turns some 6k rpms and makes enough power to run 11s in a sn95, fox, or new edge chassis.

  • @niknasstie
    @niknasstie 3 роки тому +1

    4.6/5.4 2v big bang!

    • @randolphniles2332
      @randolphniles2332 3 роки тому +1

      Don't see a svo intake for the test

    • @niknasstie
      @niknasstie 3 роки тому +1

      @@randolphniles2332 i didnt know svo had an intake manifold for the 2v. I would like to see what the lighting intake manifold no blower does even with out the intercooler. Almost everyone with a turbo lightning just keeps that turkey pan. When i go mid mount turbo I plan on removing the intercooler for a rear mounted one and seeing if i can have a runner turn down and then back up to make it a long runner for torque. Theres alot of room in there

    • @jamesgeorge6551
      @jamesgeorge6551 3 роки тому +2

      The 5.4 3V is Jasper's biggest selling reman engine because they go bang *without* going big.

    • @niknasstie
      @niknasstie 3 роки тому +1

      @@jamesgeorge6551 its hard to just pick one engine anymore. Ive seen two 3v's in the 300k miles with just waterpump, alternator and one had the chain tensioner done because of the noise it was making being loose. Then ive seen LS go out under 100k. The ecotech piston recall at 10k and then 10k after that 🤣 almost every fiat chrysler ugly step child i wont even look at when im huge cuda and Fury/440(the car and engine). the first 2.0 dart engine i took apart and seen theres a oil transfer brick because someone forgot both sides of the head need oil i lost faith🤣

    • @jamesgeorge6551
      @jamesgeorge6551 3 роки тому +2

      @@niknasstie Yep. The owner controls how the engine is maintained. I've also seen "good" engines, well maintained, die early too. My shop maintained an expedited shipper G1500 GMC with a 4.3, that had 2 water pumps, and the lower plenum gasket replaced, it had 776,000 on it. It was getting its 3rd 4L60E rebuilt. I used to drive a Volvo 740 Turbo wagon that had 441,000 when I sold it. My neighbors 04 Tundra had 377,000 when it got totaled.

  • @jamesreid2845
    @jamesreid2845 3 роки тому

    Pi i take has aluminum coolant crossover thats no a pi manifold thats a stock plastic 1

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  3 роки тому +1

      only the replacement ones had alum X overs

    • @BluSteel64
      @BluSteel64 2 роки тому

      @@richardholdener1727 I put the replacement alum x on my 01.
      After a year of not driving it much after buying a 99 cobra It started leaking at one of the factory bolts and leaked into the front sparkplug well.
      Now the sparkplug has rusted to the point it won't come out. I don't know how long this went on because it was a minor leak but I'm afraid this leaked on to the Piston.
      Have you heard of anything like this before ?

  • @hollerratracing2083
    @hollerratracing2083 3 роки тому +1

    vic jr please

  • @andyharman3022
    @andyharman3022 3 роки тому +3

    Here's an idea for an Other Guys death match: 4.6 2-valve Ford vs 4.7 sohc Chrysler.

    • @anthonymason701
      @anthonymason701 3 роки тому +2

      Good luck finding a 4.7 in the scrap yard... at least one that runs. Its the reason most end up in the yard in the first place. At least thats what i have came across

  • @mathewhoffer4541
    @mathewhoffer4541 Рік тому +1

    you do a lot of back to back tests on 4.6L 2V parts ... need someone to settle an argument over the Ford performance PI intake? people keep saying it is a revised PI intake and they remove their 1999-2004 PI intakes and place these on for improved power ? I been telling them they are the same intake as the mustang PI intake except different part number and packaging to sell to NPI owners and mustang PI owners that do not know any better ? and on the same line of reasoning the 2005 and up crown victoria and mercury grand marquis 4.6L 2v engines with the PI intake ? other then only one sensor mounting hole in the front crossover instead of 2 and a different part number it should also be the same ? do not know why they put the other sensor in the driverside head but drilling and tapping a hole for the 2nd sensor is quite easy they already have a flat pad. And if for some reason this entire topic never came up before ? might you throw together a dyno run comparisson because been searching the net and cant find anyone that has done this back to back on these 3 intakes ? and to be clear its mustang PI frod motorsport PI and crown vic PI and who knows maybe the grand marquis uses another one as well ?

    • @richardholdener1727
      @richardholdener1727  Рік тому

      I have not tested but would expect little to no gains

    • @mathewhoffer4541
      @mathewhoffer4541 Рік тому

      @@richardholdener1727 exactly my point but it would be a subject that would have come up a lot and im sure a lot of people would view the test in order to get the real scoop on fact or fiction because a lot of your viewers know you and acknowledge your testing procedures to be accurate. and unlike engine masters which I also love to watch you do not take every other breath to plug wilson intakes :) you are in it for the data learned. plus it is easy to swap out and crown vicoria intakes are $20 a pop and you have mustang PI intakes lying around and Im sure someone will lend you a ford performance intake if not donate one for the cause.

  • @hechtspeed
    @hechtspeed 3 роки тому +1

    3V pleeaaseeee lol

  • @brandonrohrer7914
    @brandonrohrer7914 3 роки тому +1

    I need a puppy

  • @davidross-oo2vh
    @davidross-oo2vh 10 місяців тому +1

    Do not ever use a Dorman intake...Ever!!!
    Its garbage

  • @fastway007
    @fastway007 3 місяці тому +1

    Why do you keep saying the same shit in the beginning of the video….

  • @booga-squirrel4566
    @booga-squirrel4566 3 роки тому

    I would like to see the OPR Replacement PI Intake Manifold www.americanmuscle.com/pi-intake-manifold-9904gt.html vs the Ford Racing PI intake manifold. www.americanmuscle.com/intake-manifold.html I hear a lot of 2V mustang owners reporting that the OPR saps 15whp compared to the Ford racing version.

    • @wurxt4308
      @wurxt4308 3 роки тому +1

      Brother that OPR mani is dog shit read the reviews