"If you wore a helmet, you wouldn't have to breathe the dust!" "Wouldn't be as good at seeing snipers then, would I?" "Dom knock it off!" Oh wait wrong series
Ive always loved how Halo technology is grounded in reality to a certain degree and how most of the UNSC technology is plausible in our modern day technology.
The main purpose of camouflage is not to make the soldier invisible, or nearly invisible with his surroundings, but to break up his shape which makes it harder to hit him. This does not really apply to snipers; who do use it to turn “invisible”. Correct me if I’m wrong with any of this.
You actually arent which is my argument to the older vets when they say oh you guys dont shine your boots anymore u got it easy or oh you guys dont dry clean starch and press your uniforms you got it easy where as in all reality its a camoflauge decision as well as a dexterity decision the baggier pants and jackets are loose enough to not only allow us to move freely as well as break up our shape somewhat to less so ressemble a human the OCP camoflauge is also money moves so to speak as any current combat arms soldier in the army will tell you that OCPs are paerfect coloring for all but snow camoflauge while not really the ocp itself it provides more of a base layer camoflauge that is adaptable its not the ocp specifically its more so that it gets down and dirty basically temporarily staining the uniform the specific color of dirt for the area your in oh when worn and exposed to heavy sunlight even manages to do fairly well in dessert environments it basically achieves what the UCP always hoped to it blends with almost any environment like yea its never gonna be as good as a ghillie suit made specifically for a given enviornment but for operating globally its honestly the best all around uniform amd camoflauge to date
Even standard camouflage normal soldiers use is pretty effective at concealing them visually and it is mainly used for this, until you try to spot someone either prone or standing still at 100m or more in some sort of natural cover you wouldn't understand, usually the main thing that gives away someone's position is sound or movement. Same goes whether its normal soldiers or snipers, if they're moving it's very easy for your eye to track them no matter how much they look like a bush
@@asneakychicken322 however, with practice you can still learn to move without drawing attention obviously its much easier to do with some sort of a breeze trust me but even if everythings still you can if you absolutely have to but as with rifle marksmanship breathing is a huge part of it and moving slowly but deliberately I mean def dont move unless its a necessity but its an old method I used as I was an avid hunter and sport shooter before I enlisted
Wanna know the hardest allies to keep alive? The grunts in halo 2 on Normal. During the whole mission in sacred icon legit the only Ally that stayed alive into the flood was a jackel that tagged along with two other grunts, they kept dying from fall damage or small explosions, REFUSAL to fire back on sentinels and thier beams. Heretic was the hardest to keep even one alive because of the headshot Carbines everywhere.
The armor you see in Halo Wars and Halo 2 remastered is the most protective marine armor out of all the suits of armor as the war goes on and costs get higher he almost becomes less and less protective in favor of movability having to bug out all the time is easier to do when you're not in case the full suit of armor
I can see them switching to less protection in favor of more mobility, because when you enemy can basically ignore your armor, you might as well go for comfort and mobility by getting rid of the dead weight.
@@bthsr7113 that's what happened in the real world when guns became effective. Before that almost any foot soldier had metal body armor and helmets, but with guns they ditched them. It's only in the late 20th century that armor made a comeback on the battlefield.
Same goes for US troops in Afghanistan. I think it was called the ILBVE or something. There was a plate carrier that came with a neck protector, groin protector, two thigh protectors, and two shoulder protectors. Around the spots where the ceramic plates would be slipped in, there was flak protection that wrapped around the body to the to the other plate. Not to forget the plates that would sit on the sides. The thigh protectors and shoulder protectors were rarely issued for sake of mobility, eventually the vests started falling apart due to weight issues and new ones were made without the neck and groin protectors. Now both the army and marine corps use more lightweight plate carriers without all the extra.
@@StevenTheAristolianNerd you mean like the mythical Juggernaut armor that most modern military say it's just video games even though it looks like it could be real
I don't know if that's an armor I'd want to actually wear. As is my vest with ceramic plates is 40 lbs and helmet 8 lbs. These Marines are wearing massive blocks of metal all over their body. Unless they're hollow or filled with another ballistic material that armor must be heavy as hell. You mentioned collars and other supplemental armor in the video too. Our vests today actually come with a front and rear Kevlar collar to protect our necks. As well as a Kevlar flap for the groin and butt and shoulder pauldrons. I've been in 8 years and the very first thing we do is we take all that off and throw it in a bag somewhere. It makes your armor so much hotter and more uncomfortable, we'd rather risk the bullet than heat stroke.
I got out before the transition to body armor(besides flak vests) but my cousin had to deal with it and he quipped one day that dropping his kit at the end of the day was like dropping a handful of sandbags from around his neck and then stated he understands the relief a woman feels when flinging off her bra at the end of a crappy day, his wife still picks on him about the comment, but as some one who has had to wear a flak vest in 90% humidity at temps that fry bacon on a white sidewalk i can relate to a minor extent.
Besides, combat is about shooting, movement and communication. If I can't move, I can't maneuver. If I can't maneuver, I die. If I die I can't eat my crayons anymore and that makes me angry.
Here's to hoping they develop armor plate that'slighter. But I guess that's the tradeoff--kevlar works against non-AP bullets, but not as good against bladed weapons. Someone once told me the weight of the infantryman today hasn't decreased wiht technology but rather increased int he years of the 20th century...
To be fair it was made to stop bullets not plasma blasts the size of baseballs flying at over 400 mph that are almost as hot as the surface of the sun.
The change to the Blur design was interesting, as it seems like a more visually refined version of the HCE armor, whereas 2, 3, and Reach's designs were much more akin to an expendable soldier, only covering the bare minimum and focusing on individual storage and utility.
I'm thinking more on a doctrine level, they may have better gear but the whole thought of commisars destroys any idea value troops may have in the Guard. Just the iconic blaming of troops to inspire others alone would tell how valueable they are, not to mention the idea of human wave charges and just Kreig on the whole. (Charge that Chaos titan with you shovel, *excited shovle noises*)
ZombifiedReaper ah lord imagine the covenant in a ground war against like the death korps or cadians or the steel legion and then they drop into a jungle to go around them and SURPRISE! The humans in the jungle are even more terrifying!
Your opening speech glorifying the UNSC Marines forgot about one very big thing: the Army. Remember, the Marines' job is expeditionary missions and naval support. When it comes to sustained large-scale ground combat, like holding the line against Covenant ground assaults, the Army is the main branch. They're very under appreciated in Halo media, but play an absolutely critical role. Plus, the Army gets to play with a lot more of the big toys than Marines ever do. Edit: Also, Marines are not particularly elite. Looking at the real life US Marines and Army, the Marines have better PR and a greater portion of their personnel involved in combat tasks, but they are no more "elite" than an Army combat unit.
All I know is our modern day military served 92 to 96 in the corps. We did the same job as the army with a fraction of the personal, and pretty obsolete equipment. Can't speak for the army but we were still issued flack jackets, yes damn near the same of not the same as Vietnam era. Alice packs same as Nam. To say Marines are no more special than the average Army unit might be under stating the Marines a bit don't ya think. The Army is a metric ton larger, gets the new and better gear first, and as often as not is thought of first when people think of the infantry. And before anyone loses there mind, my father was a 101st Army ranger in Nam. The Marines are elite if for no other reason then them having to do the same job as the army with a fraction of the people, and usually older gear. All respect to my Army military brothers but just an old Marines point of view
Marines in the US military are held to a higher standard of skill than the average Army grunt and require higher marksmanship. Traditionally because they always get outdated equipment and less goods than they should have and so have to make do with less and make every little bit they have count for a lot. On top of that, they are the speartip and don't have the support the army does when they make a beachhead or otherwise penetrate enemy territory in addition to the fact they will almost always be outnumbered in a major engagement. So yeah, they are actually an elite force. Calling them "elite" doesn't mean he's saying they're SEALs or something.
Since the UNSC couldn't make a material to disperse 10,000+ degrees celsius of plasma bolts for the average boots on the ground, it's just near impossible given the limitation of the laws of physics on material sciences & economics. They had to redesign the BDU armour doctrine to combat the Covenant more effectively. This is where the M52B variant 2 comes in (Halo 3 Marine armour). The armour is design to be modulated by simple straps & buckles to quickly swap out damaged plates done by plasma plasma for new ones in the middle of combat. It looks it to be less armoured than it's pre-war counterpart & for good reason. It's to make marines take advantage of being more mobile from getting direct hits from slow moving plasma bolts & minimising the risks of getting badly wounded or killed by the melted armour as it melts & cooks right into the user from a direct hit from a plasma bolt when & if they get hit which the pre-war BDUs had massive problems of. I say that's how most marines got killed by, not by direct plasma shots but melted titanium cooking directly into the user caused by plasma shots. The pre-war armour would had no problem stopping a plasma bolt much as it's later innovation systems in it's tracks due to the low velocity, possibility saving him/her. But that armour would be melting right into em cooking them to death in 20-30 seconds as that marine frantically scrabbles to try & it take off. That is where the M52Bv2 comes in with it's design to be quickly allowed to be taken off & on, minimizing that risk. Also the black undersuit, it's to help somewhat disperse some heat from the armour plate getting cooked into them when struck, giving the marine or another combat personnel extra time to unbuckle or cutting the straps to remove the danger away.
Spartans were created to crush the insurrection but were retooled to fight the covenant because they’re a much smaller force to rebuild and re-arm than larger Marine and Army forces
@@rushpatriot2866 Ceramics can stop a few bullets before they fail. You need polymers to disperse the heat the ceramic soaks. Molten metal (After A Plasma Hit) is counter-productive. Think Stormtrooper armor.
@@pineapplelapolynesia1994 Special Operations forces get the best gear because they are the best asset available and each SF shooter is A massive investment. If the Canon were logically laid out the Spartans would have tailored custom weaponry not whatever was lying around.
The Marine, the grunt of the UNSC, and cannon fodder to fight the other cannon fodder. Also on the collar defense thing doesn't Sgt Forge from halo wars use something that could count? Also we don't talk about the halo 4 while infinity armor because it generally aesthetically sucks.
The marines are better than grunts but worse than elites. They feel like weaker than they actually are because you are often given only a few marines in actual game so they dont just carry the combat for you.
@@brabblemaster401 You're not wrong. Halo 2/3 armor is just too thin and the dimensions are off. Though halo infinite may turn out to be the best. Who knows.
As a Marine I got all giddy when the video started and you were talking about the UNSC Marines. But honestly, this video is amazing. I love your content 00!
It's generally understood that each NIJ armor level can withstand the stresses of the previous levels. Level 4 can take 1 armor piercing round. That doesn't mean it *can't* take the 6 regular rounds that the level 3 can take. It just means that it can take the 1 AP on top of everything that the previous levels can take. Also, as you said with advancements in material science, the armor would likely be even better than a level 4.
I’m totally on the “it’s not metal” and that’s it’s a Graphene/UHDPE/ future tech, something easy to produce en masse and light enough to not hinder movement and endurance. Really enjoy the real Marines in the comments section chiming in. I’ve always thought the Halo series Marines were the theatrical descendants of the James Cameron Aliens USCMC types.
My head canon is the titanium is a sort of metal foam, like aerogel but metalic, high volume low density and reasonably well insulated while retaining ballistic capability by having crumple zone ccavities
This man right here be giving lore breakdowns for everything, I just wish to know, Covenant Species Videos? Also, glad someone gives the marines this kinda love
Love the content as always, I reckon a detailed breakdown of the flood infection process and outbreak progression but I imagine that would be a long one. Worth it though I love the biology and how exponential the outbreaks are. Great work as always 00
Even though it’s a science-fiction universe. The Spartans and the Marines in this game have always been a source of inspiration. I have always aspired to be brave, fearless, someone who stands for those who can’t stand for themselves. The thing that I always loved the most about the halo universe is there was no space magic, which I absolutely love space magic but in this instance it’s a lot easier to relate to a Marine in the UNSC then it is to relate To Luke Skywalker. What always made them stand out to me was just imagine for a second, being a soldier and fighting against An alien race or races with technology that is an entire tier above yours, in every way, fighting against aliens that are equipped with better ships with better guns that are physically twice or three times or 10 times as powerful as you are. Knowing that you will very likely die in a fight but fighting anyway to protect your people and your culture. It is a bravery and selflessness that is extremely rare outside of the military in our world. I wanted to but because I was a troublemaker in my youth I wasn’t allowed to join the military when I became eligible. One of my greatest regrets because I never got to experience the caliber of people that only exist in the service of others. So Innoway playing as master chief all these years as silly as it sounds gave people like me The slightest taste of the camaraderie you would find in the service. Some thing about a single human being standing up in defiance of the odds and persevering through every single crucible thrown his way not for a single selfish reason outside of needing to complete the mission. Saving humanity, saving a culture and the people that he will likely never experience. While he is known his trials and tribulations well eventually lead to him being an unsung hero. Unbeknownst to the billions upon billions of humans that will survive and have kids of their own who have kids. None of them will know that it was all because of one person. Yes he is physically augmented and trained since a child and in bad ass super soldier armor. But still I’m sure many of us have thought if I would’ve been taken as a child and trained like John and augmented like John if those things were possible, I could’ve been a master chief like figure. It makes him relatable like Batman over Superman. I will be blown away if anybody reads this but In The long winded version I just explain why halo is so important to me. Thanks if you read this. I hope others feel the same way.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 Magic space titanium. Yes. Also, depends on the plate you're talking about. Ultralight ceramic inserts of class IV are quite light and make commercial plates look like bricks, while the heavy end of sniper resistant armor makes IV looks pathetic, coming in at the ability to defeat force and bullet of heavy machine gun armor piercing incendiary projectiles.
Armor in Halo has always been an absolute joy for me to look at, especially when you get to reach, one of my favorite parts of the universe, wish other space games would do something similiar
11:23 The higher the level the more it can take. Level 4 can take everything the level 3 can take plus the 30-06 AP. In essence the durability stacks. The level 4 is a better choice.
Great vid, just one correction, Level IV armor plates are tested against a single 30-06 round, which is the round fired by the M1 Garand. The 30-06 has significantly more energy than a 7.62x51mm NATO round.
Yeah we kind of complain about our body armor being to heavy for how actually ineffective it is at stopping rounds of rifle calibre past the first shot
@@castlebarron1788 It's fairly protective past the first hit. Actually, it's somewhere in the realm of five rounds of most light rifle ammunition, probably around eight with the newer generation of armor plates Revision G and beyond.
@KoishiVibin yeah on paper theres a solid chance most metal armor will survive, but would you trust it? I mean from a human perspective there would be some degree of apprehension in using damaged plates
The different varieties in halo reach is one of my favorite details of that campaign I love the halo wars 1 and 2's cinematic armor it looks amazing halo CE's metal plates are nostalgic i prefer halo 3 over original halo 2 but halo 2 anniversary has some similarities to halo wars'
People say they like the halo ce armor and I have to say that I absolutely hate it. It doesn’t look particularly effective and doesn’t look very good. My favorite armor designs for UNSC marines/army are in halo reach/CEA.
@@punctuationman334 That armour was designed for ship-to-ship combat. It was designed to take a fuckton of hits compared to the stuff the marines usually have. You weren't meant to run around in that shit fighting people in it. You were meant to stay put in a location and just fire at them. It wasn't meant to look nice. It was meant to look like it could take a fucking beating. And considering when you shoot their dead bodies in CE and the bullets bounce back, it does a pretty good job at that. While stylistically you may dislike it, its design makes a lot of sense considering what it was meant for, and I like it much more than the Anniversary version.
honestly, these videos always get an almost immediate like from me. i just dont get why ppl would dislike these videos. Generally accurate information, plus the details and interesting backstory that we came for, some stuff to think about and maybe it's just me, but im also always getting positive vibes. not to mention giving every aspect of Halo some love, even the marines, the forgotten casualties of speedrunners. Love the videos man! (Although it was staff sergeant Burn ;) )
10:47 i don think you understand how NIJ works yes lvl 3 can take 6 hits of 7.62x51 but so can lvl 4 which might be rated for 1 round of AP but that doesnt mean it cant stop 6 rounds of normal 7.62 ammo if lvl 3 was really that good then every country would be using it but most are using lvl 4 it makes zero sense that 500 years form now we would down grade it would make more sense if it was even higher than it is now like lvl4+
You got a like as soon as you mentioned how important boots are. When i was enlisted, boots were by far the best items to buy every 6 months, never doubted the money being spent since i knew how valuable a good set is.
I varied on replacement rate. If you could find the versions with Vibraam soles. They just last years, only had one pair I could locate. Otherwise the good old standard issue seems to last well. Not so kind on comport though.
Bruh as a Marine, that intro had me with a melted heart for a second there 😂. Love the respect you put into it. Great video and thanks for the info, OORAH!
Marines, John 117, the Worthog, and the Pelican I'd say are Halo's most recognizable elements, with the MA5-series Assault Rifles, Scorpion, and various Covenant species coming in close behind
Gravity Hammer. If you asked me what makes Halo? Grav Ham. The only thing I adore more than the Shotgun? Alien Sledgehammer. Want to play golf? Boomer Club. I could go on really. That fucking thing is the single best weapon in video game history to me. Nothing makes my soul smile more than a big stick that can slam alien midgets from Reach, to the nearest blunt surface in orbit.
@@douglasmiller8607 Ethics? For BREAKFAST? NO SPARTAN, MORAL FIBER CEREAL! IT'S LIKE NOT COMMITTING WARCRIMES WITH EVERY BITE! Okay given this is 2020, I actually kinda have to point out that I'm talking about the fictional war crimes of the UNSC, not the real war crimes of the USA
32:36 weight, cost and logistics. Have a look at the Future Warrior Program or how the IOTV/Osprey Body Armour was used in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you make someone bulky you increase operator load which decreases overall mission time and individual Manoeuvrability whilst increasing fatigue and the easy by which the enemy can hit you. It’s better to not be hit at all then hit and survive. Further, maintaining all that gear is difficult. That’s more complex and expensive gear that needs maintained which drives up costs and can decrease combat readiness. New private’s need to be taught how to properly maintain all that gear and keep it clean. This takes time and will lead to more things falling into a Disserviceable condition after whatever round of future budget cuts mean there is less money for spare parts (that’s why the USMC dispanded it’s tank divisions cause it’s fleet of Abrams had lots of broken parts and it was becoming too expensive to keep them operational). Not to mention cost. Modern warfare is extremely expensive, the more money you sink into your individual soldiers the more costly losing a soldier is. Debt loses as meany wars as combat deaths. The conclusion of a lot of programs which have tried similar things typically go’s one of three ways; 1) too bulky and impractical 2) too expensive 3) technology is not mature enough Typically the change can’t be justified for one or all of those reasons. Realistically the biggest changes in the next few years will be to soldier awareness. The better soldiers can understand the battlefield, the more complicated Manoeuvers they can perform and they can make better decisions. Thereby Obfuscatinf the need for better armour. Without some kind of load bearing system this armour would be too big and impractical to justify the cost and the money is better spent on something like the IVAS.
I’m really glad he mentioned spall. Real-world steel armor plates are notorious for this, and anti-spall coatings are of very dubious efficacy. I wonder why the UNSC did not consider ceramic, given that it’s more effective against ballistic threats, and I’m no physicist but I suspect it would be more protective against plasma. I’m sure given the massively advanced technology, they could make ceramic armor lighter.
I think that the alloy of the armor is resistant but at the same time light and that is why it was effective against ballistic attacks, correct me if I am wrong
Spaulding only applies to the inside side of a plate where the projectile exits. Fragmention applies to the surface of the plate. These are not interchangeable.
We need a Halo Marines game with more striped back, Call of Duty like mechanics, in that you are extremely weak (weaker than ODST) and you’re on the front lines in the outer colonies mid war, desperately trying to keep the unrelenting covenant back as the destroy city after city, planet after planet With dark, thriller tone, it would be borderline horror and only enhance the feeling of desperation shared by humanity at the time We need Halo: Marines
Nameunderscor would be interesting; definitely would need to make Enemies weaker as in taking realistic amounts of damage opposed to ~60-100 rounds of 7.62 like in regular halo games. Something to explore would be making it through the ranks to get ODST armor
I'd rather play a slow paced tactical halo game similar to ArmA 3 or Squad than a fast paced, high octane one similar to COD, if we're going to play as marines we might as well go boots on the ground.
32:45 ok, deadass, I will dedicate the a shitton of my financial resources to creating power armor. That's not saying much at the moment, but this is something I need to see come true goddammit
Casting is actually the cheapest method of forming metal, and is done for large runs to make up for the cost of the molds. Machining is typically an additional step to casting or forging to reach final dimensions (or is occasionally done with a billet block for a one off piece)
A note about casting. There are variants of the casting process, and they change the costs and speed of getting parts. My work for example gets parts from sand molds mostly. The parts from the sand molds need to be machined or forged to final size. This saves waist and can be quicker but is normally a lower quality part compared to machining the part from a solid block. That is because the sand does not dissipate heat perfectly. Normally do to impurity ,density variables, thickness of the cast in spots, differences very by batch as well. The variables can be removed completely depending on the cast method but they get expensive and I do not have experience with them. For making the armor they could be starting with cheap sand molds to get the initial shape and then finnish the armor with forging. This way they do not need to be able to cut a large slab of metal to size for each plate and they still have enough material to get the desired grain structure.
Addition fact: Marines also are the best Master Chief buddy.... especially when they ride warthog with him...sure lot of joke coming out their mouth even curses the covenant during the firefight...lol
From someone who has worn armor regularly in the military, the issue with modern tech is weight, cost, and heat retention. Wearing just a plate carrier usually adds about 25 degrees F. Weight of the plate carrier, both front/back plates, about 30 pounds NOT including gear/ammo/weapon/etc. If talking full combat load and dismounted operations, 90-100 lbs is common. Titanium alloys would lighten the load and potentially allow for more armor to be worn realistically, but the cost is up there.
Titanium is roughly a third the weight of steel, I highly doubt a set of titanium armor like what the Marines wear in the games would be lighter than if it was made from ceramic plates like what we use now, and if it was lighter due to it being made from a titanium alloy, it wouldn’t offer the same protection.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 Level III and Level IV Titanium plates stand up well to rifle fire. There are some inbuilt titanium ceramic insert vests that can stop .50 BMG but can't handle .50 BMG APIT all that well. So, yes it can offer just as much on a 3rd of the weight...
The whole intro: “no-nonsense mentality” “serious attitude” “elite warriors” “highly trained” Marines actually: *gets a plasma grenade stuck on their rifle* *runs around screaming and waving the rifle until the end comes*
Note: AR 500 and AR 550 armor plates are also Forged. Even the Level IV ceramic plate armors that have a small AR500 insert are forged. The steel holds tighter that way.
I would've liked to see more international diversity in Halo's Marines. Edit: I think international diversity is paramount when making a universe of Humans vs. Aliens. Usually diversity is just an excuse to pander to an audience without fleshing characters out, but in universes like Halo I think it's a necessity to depict all of mankind teaming up to slay the filthy Xenos. How dope would it be to hear an angry Ukrainian marine going URRRAAAAA while magdumping into a Brute's face. I only remember the American, Hispanic and Aussie Marines. I even had a dream last night about Polish Winged Spartan IVs with energy lances and forerunner construct wings.
The out of universe explanation is that Bungie is an American company and only had so much voice talent to rely upon, but your point definitely stands in-universe. Given how countries in the East like China and India have such high populations, you'd expect there to be more Indian/Asian marines in a Marine Corps comprised of all the nations in the world (and the colonies). Not to mention marines from other European nations, like you mentioned.
@@cancelanime1507 I loved seeing Hungarians in that game. RIP Jorge. It also explains dudes riding into pitched battle on Mongooses/ATVs; their Magyar raider ancestors would be cheering them on
6:17-8:20 this process description and the differences therein also applies to firearms. Which is why cast part weapons are looked down upon heavily by serious firearm users while forged is held as the gold standard, for the most part anyway.
How else are they gonna pay their military-industrial complex buddies or set up false flags to invade countries for reasons that don't exist or for oil so the tycoons can get richer?
Looking at the "form" of the armor and why the placement of the armor mimics the same body parts of new age hockey gear. If you go to the hockey gear websites, the new stuff is multi layered, impact zones and energy transfer zones. Shin guards protect the fronts heavy but have thinner wraps to guard on the rear but the front has the main protection for the players and the knee caps. The "pants" have been replaced with more of a girdle type that guards outer thigh, frontal thigh, and impact zones for spine areas. The equipment even has the new d30 padding where it's soft but when hit, it hardens and transfers energy outward. Even the Chest guard mimics the same pattern of the Marine armor and the Buckets (helmets) from the 80's (Jofa) do too.
Has anyone noticed how strong sgt johnson is? I never gave much though to the starting cutscenes of halo 3, but you can clearly see how chief helps himself up by holding on johnson's arm. Considering how heavy the whole suit is johnson is very strong, he doesn't even strain or anything, op spartans 1st gen
@@beamrunner0471 this also reminds you of how disgustingly strong the brutes are. Even as spartans 1 and 2 gen. Both johnson and Douglas were powerless against the raw strength of the brutes
Casting is far cheaper than machining or forging for large volume products. Machining doesn't have much waste as the chips can be resmelted into new billets Forging also requires final machining after it is forged same with casting.
So I wanted to comment on the topic of spalling with the armor. Based on what was described by its makeup, I believe it works similarly to current manufactured reactive personnel armor systems. The titanium shell works as a primary stopping point, but is thin enough to allow the projectile to still pass through, but at an extremely slowed rate, which would deform projectiles, but not shatter them, and the polymer compound core, like the current manufactured armor, is made to harden when force and speed are applied to it, such as when a bullet hits something, which would result in the polymer “catching” the projectile.
This though keeps me awake at night. Also, UNSC infantry isn't the only department that's lacking. The fact that in the main games (ce-reach), the only ground vehicles used by UNSC are technicals (warthogs), quad bikes (mongoose) and tanks while things like APC's and MRAP's are missing. Just the thought that the combined military force of all human colonies rely so heavily on technicals (and fricking quad bikes) as if they're fighting in the Somali civil war bugs me.
If I remember the MA5 series of assault rifles have a modular design, one of such designs include a box magazine, bipod, and longer barrel to convert the rifle into a defacto LMG
This is kind of late and I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before but modern steal armor is covered with polyurea as a coating that can absorb spalling caused when a round strikes the plate. I would imagine a similar process would be used here.
I've always wanted a Halo game focused on the UNSC Marines, as impressive as the elite human units are, the "grunts" are the reason humanity endures and given the variants such as a vacuum suit, there could be just as wide a variety of missions as other Halo games. Not sure how to work around the regeneration problem other than making essentially a much harder version of classic halo but a buddy system which focuses on revives kinda like Republic Commando back in the day could suspend my disbelief enough to really be immersive.
Like I appreciate what 343 was going for with their marine armor but it just looks so generic compared to the OG marine armor. Which has its own unique silhouette you just knew a halo marine by just glancing at them but now they look so busy visually now. But infinite looks promising!
UNSC Personnel Rarity List to see on the field Marine - Common Marine Corporal - Common Marine Sergeant - Uncommon Army Personnel (Seen in Reach and CE Anniversary) - Same as Marines ODST's - Rare, Usually spotted in high priority area's as they're Special Operations Spartans after Gen 2 program - Extremely Rare, Almost never being seen by civilians they're usually off killing armies of covenant troops or completing Suicide Missions Spartan during Gen 2 and 1 program - Almost never seen by civilians and any soldier, Some Marine battalions and squads have seen Spartan 1's and 2's before but usually only once or twice, not a lot of people know about these Spartans. Chief - Practically everyone in UNSC has heard of him as he saved Humanity a bunch of times. Headhunters - By all means the rarest soldier to be encountered (Usually only encountered by somebody who pissed the UNSC off) They're never seen by civilians and regular soldiers alike. Kind of unnecessary but why not
Skeptical Guardsman not to mention you’d still have to machine castings and forgings, so metal chips are still a thing to deal with no matter what you go with.
Ah the UNSC marines. Able to beat back the covenant with two sticks and a rock for a whole platoon. And they had to share the rock.
buck up boy, youre one very lucky marine!
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why did I read that in french announcer spongebob voice.... ah, biki bottom.
@@aanakk cough cough Say What ?
@@LegatusLucius1994 i said that i read it in a french guy accent from spongebob. he always says: "ah, bikini bottom" or something along those lines
Can you do a most detailed breakdown of the vaunted sticks and rocks that Sgt Maj. Avery Junior Johnson speaks so highly of?
Lol. And a might fine rock it was. Though it's color had changed by the end.
@@jeffwillsea6757 i wonder why the color changed lol
would be a great video for 2021 April Fools' day
- NoPlanGaming - I wonder what color it ended as
The rock turned purple from alien blood
Installation00: "As Combat Evolved"
Peter Griffin: "Ah! He said it! He said it!"
13:48 “Johnson isn’t wearing a helmet in this scene”
Me: Has he ever worn a helmet?
No helmets are for bitch's
"If you wore a helmet, you wouldn't have to breathe the dust!"
"Wouldn't be as good at seeing snipers then, would I?"
"Dom knock it off!"
Oh wait wrong series
@@Luke_H98 you cultured son of a carmine
Luke H actually it’s “cool it, dom”
Avery Johnson was a Sergeant Major. A Sergeant Major can do whatever they want! Why? Because they are a Sergeant Major! And stay off the grass! lol
The plating was about to fail, there's viscosity throughout the gel layer.... Oh wrong armor...
Tell that to the Master Chief.
And don’t get me started on the optics... Do you know how much this equipment cost, son?
‘Tell that to the convenant’
"Well, I guess it was all obsolete anyway. Your new suits a Mark VI, just came up from songnam this morning, try to take things easy and go slow."
@@keyloh9386 *Jumps up and down*
"As combat evolved". I see what ya did there!
I don't get it...
@@panic7061 Halo 1's actual name is Halo:Combat Evolved
Frequent Man three periods
*Hee*
*Points excitingly*
Ive always loved how Halo technology is grounded in reality to a certain degree and how most of the UNSC technology is plausible in our modern day technology.
Your not wrong a Mac gun is just a rail gun but much bigger and I do believe the us military is currently working on creating a rail gun
@@Linki8uu *coil gun not rail gun
The main purpose of camouflage is not to make the soldier invisible, or nearly invisible with his surroundings, but to break up his shape which makes it harder to hit him. This does not really apply to snipers; who do use it to turn “invisible”. Correct me if I’m wrong with any of this.
You actually arent which is my argument to the older vets when they say oh you guys dont shine your boots anymore u got it easy or oh you guys dont dry clean starch and press your uniforms you got it easy where as in all reality its a camoflauge decision as well as a dexterity decision the baggier pants and jackets are loose enough to not only allow us to move freely as well as break up our shape somewhat to less so ressemble a human the OCP camoflauge is also money moves so to speak as any current combat arms soldier in the army will tell you that OCPs are paerfect coloring for all but snow camoflauge while not really the ocp itself it provides more of a base layer camoflauge that is adaptable its not the ocp specifically its more so that it gets down and dirty basically temporarily staining the uniform the specific color of dirt for the area your in oh when worn and exposed to heavy sunlight even manages to do fairly well in dessert environments it basically achieves what the UCP always hoped to it blends with almost any environment like yea its never gonna be as good as a ghillie suit made specifically for a given enviornment but for operating globally its honestly the best all around uniform amd camoflauge to date
Even standard camouflage normal soldiers use is pretty effective at concealing them visually and it is mainly used for this, until you try to spot someone either prone or standing still at 100m or more in some sort of natural cover you wouldn't understand, usually the main thing that gives away someone's position is sound or movement. Same goes whether its normal soldiers or snipers, if they're moving it's very easy for your eye to track them no matter how much they look like a bush
@@asneakychicken322 tracking all dude but im also the kind of guy who'll take any little edge i can get
@@asneakychicken322 however, with practice you can still learn to move without drawing attention obviously its much easier to do with some sort of a breeze trust me but even if everythings still you can if you absolutely have to but as with rifle marksmanship breathing is a huge part of it and moving slowly but deliberately I mean def dont move unless its a necessity but its an old method I used as I was an avid hunter and sport shooter before I enlisted
@@aaronlawson2006 Fun fact: Desert MARPAT camouflages pretty well in a autumn/ dead wooded area.
when i played halo back in the day i would always try to save the marines
Same here.
And me.
I considered them to be expendable ammo mules
@@fenfrostpaws2000 it gives you a good reason to replay the game and its kinda tough
Wanna know the hardest allies to keep alive? The grunts in halo 2 on Normal. During the whole mission in sacred icon legit the only Ally that stayed alive into the flood was a jackel that tagged along with two other grunts, they kept dying from fall damage or small explosions, REFUSAL to fire back on sentinels and thier beams. Heretic was the hardest to keep even one alive because of the headshot Carbines everywhere.
The armor you see in Halo Wars and Halo 2 remastered is the most protective marine armor out of all the suits of armor as the war goes on and costs get higher he almost becomes less and less protective in favor of movability having to bug out all the time is easier to do when you're not in case the full suit of armor
I can see them switching to less protection in favor of more mobility, because when you enemy can basically ignore your armor, you might as well go for comfort and mobility by getting rid of the dead weight.
@@bthsr7113 that's what happened in the real world when guns became effective. Before that almost any foot soldier had metal body armor and helmets, but with guns they ditched them. It's only in the late 20th century that armor made a comeback on the battlefield.
Same goes for US troops in Afghanistan. I think it was called the ILBVE or something. There was a plate carrier that came with a neck protector, groin protector, two thigh protectors, and two shoulder protectors. Around the spots where the ceramic plates would be slipped in, there was flak protection that wrapped around the body to the to the other plate. Not to forget the plates that would sit on the sides. The thigh protectors and shoulder protectors were rarely issued for sake of mobility, eventually the vests started falling apart due to weight issues and new ones were made without the neck and groin protectors. Now both the army and marine corps use more lightweight plate carriers without all the extra.
@@StevenTheAristolianNerd you mean like the mythical Juggernaut armor that most modern military say it's just video games even though it looks like it could be real
@@LegatusLucius1994
I'm not talking about an EOD suit. I looked online it's called the IOTV, it's upper body armor.
I don't know if that's an armor I'd want to actually wear. As is my vest with ceramic plates is 40 lbs and helmet 8 lbs. These Marines are wearing massive blocks of metal all over their body. Unless they're hollow or filled with another ballistic material that armor must be heavy as hell.
You mentioned collars and other supplemental armor in the video too. Our vests today actually come with a front and rear Kevlar collar to protect our necks. As well as a Kevlar flap for the groin and butt and shoulder pauldrons. I've been in 8 years and the very first thing we do is we take all that off and throw it in a bag somewhere. It makes your armor so much hotter and more uncomfortable, we'd rather risk the bullet than heat stroke.
Honestly they’re likely also some kind of ceramic with composite supplementing it. I see no way that they’re “lightweight” and made from titanium.
I got out before the transition to body armor(besides flak vests) but my cousin had to deal with it and he quipped one day that dropping his kit at the end of the day was like dropping a handful of sandbags from around his neck and then stated he understands the relief a woman feels when flinging off her bra at the end of a crappy day, his wife still picks on him about the comment, but as some one who has had to wear a flak vest in 90% humidity at temps that fry bacon on a white sidewalk i can relate to a minor extent.
Besides, combat is about shooting, movement and communication. If I can't move, I can't maneuver. If I can't maneuver, I die. If I die I can't eat my crayons anymore and that makes me angry.
Here's to hoping they develop armor plate that'slighter. But I guess that's the tradeoff--kevlar works against non-AP bullets, but not as good against bladed weapons. Someone once told me the weight of the infantryman today hasn't decreased wiht technology but rather increased int he years of the 20th century...
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 as far as metals go titanium is very light, are you sure you aren't thinking of tungsten which is very dense metal.
We have great armors
Plasma weapons: really
ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT???
...yea. Physics and logic basically declare at plasma weapons "You do not work."
To be fair it was made to stop bullets not plasma blasts the size of baseballs flying at over 400 mph that are almost as hot as the surface of the sun.
@@PotatoWithALaptop the plasma bolts are kinda slow tho
@@sebbe3842 in game sure but I’m almost positive that in lore they are much faster
It's too bad the UNSC Army doesn't get as much screen time as the UNSC Marines.
Yeah reach is the only one we get to see the army to a decent degree
@@dicktracey7771 aren’t we getting some army stuff in infinite
@@naenaemister5048 Hopefully. Marines are always the poster boys of most militaries that you seldom forget the other branches exist lmao
What are you talkin about the Army was all over Halo Reach every time they say soldier instead of Trooper or Marine they're talkin about the army
@@LegatusLucius1994 One game out of how many in the series?
The change to the Blur design was interesting, as it seems like a more visually refined version of the HCE armor, whereas 2, 3, and Reach's designs were much more akin to an expendable soldier, only covering the bare minimum and focusing on individual storage and utility.
"Always been trained to be elite soldiers"
Meanwhile: 4:12
Explains a lot.
A soldier's life having a value limit? *Laughs in Imperial Guard*
They have no value, they are born only to serve the glory of the God Emperor!
I'm thinking more on a doctrine level, they may have better gear but the whole thought of commisars destroys any idea value troops may have in the Guard. Just the iconic blaming of troops to inspire others alone would tell how valueable they are, not to mention the idea of human wave charges and just Kreig on the whole. (Charge that Chaos titan with you shovel, *excited shovle noises*)
ZombifiedReaper ah lord imagine the covenant in a ground war against like the death korps or cadians or the steel legion and then they drop into a jungle to go around them and SURPRISE! The humans in the jungle are even more terrifying!
Daniel Wong surprise 3! SLYYYY MARBOOOOO!!!
@Daniel Wong SUPRISE FIVE, IT IS THE BAAAAANEEEBLLLLLAAAAAAADDEEEEE
Your opening speech glorifying the UNSC Marines forgot about one very big thing: the Army. Remember, the Marines' job is expeditionary missions and naval support. When it comes to sustained large-scale ground combat, like holding the line against Covenant ground assaults, the Army is the main branch. They're very under appreciated in Halo media, but play an absolutely critical role. Plus, the Army gets to play with a lot more of the big toys than Marines ever do.
Edit: Also, Marines are not particularly elite. Looking at the real life US Marines and Army, the Marines have better PR and a greater portion of their personnel involved in combat tasks, but they are no more "elite" than an Army combat unit.
All I know is our modern day military served 92 to 96 in the corps. We did the same job as the army with a fraction of the personal, and pretty obsolete equipment. Can't speak for the army but we were still issued flack jackets, yes damn near the same of not the same as Vietnam era. Alice packs same as Nam. To say Marines are no more special than the average Army unit might be under stating the Marines a bit don't ya think. The Army is a metric ton larger, gets the new and better gear first, and as often as not is thought of first when people think of the infantry. And before anyone loses there mind, my father was a 101st Army ranger in Nam. The Marines are elite if for no other reason then them having to do the same job as the army with a fraction of the people, and usually older gear. All respect to my Army military brothers but just an old Marines point of view
Marines in the US military are held to a higher standard of skill than the average Army grunt and require higher marksmanship. Traditionally because they always get outdated equipment and less goods than they should have and so have to make do with less and make every little bit they have count for a lot. On top of that, they are the speartip and don't have the support the army does when they make a beachhead or otherwise penetrate enemy territory in addition to the fact they will almost always be outnumbered in a major engagement. So yeah, they are actually an elite force. Calling them "elite" doesn't mean he's saying they're SEALs or something.
@@midgetydeath Having to share two sticks and a rock between a platoon doesn’t make you elite, sorry
"Bet the Covenant didn't expect to fight the biggest Marine badasses in the Corps!"
Enemy uses almost exclusively plasma, you'd figure the Marine armor would be ceramic and polymer.
Well originally they were fight insurrectionist.
Since the UNSC couldn't make a material to disperse 10,000+ degrees celsius of plasma bolts for the average boots on the ground, it's just near impossible given the limitation of the laws of physics on material sciences & economics. They had to redesign the BDU armour doctrine to combat the Covenant more effectively. This is where the M52B variant 2 comes in (Halo 3 Marine armour). The armour is design to be modulated by simple straps & buckles to quickly swap out damaged plates done by plasma plasma for new ones in the middle of combat. It looks it to be less armoured than it's pre-war counterpart & for good reason. It's to make marines take advantage of being more mobile from getting direct hits from slow moving plasma bolts & minimising the risks of getting badly wounded or killed by the melted armour as it melts & cooks right into the user from a direct hit from a plasma bolt when & if they get hit which the pre-war BDUs had massive problems of. I say that's how most marines got killed by, not by direct plasma shots but melted titanium cooking directly into the user caused by plasma shots. The pre-war armour would had no problem stopping a plasma bolt much as it's later innovation systems in it's tracks due to the low velocity, possibility saving him/her. But that armour would be melting right into em cooking them to death in 20-30 seconds as that marine frantically scrabbles to try & it take off. That is where the M52Bv2 comes in with it's design to be quickly allowed to be taken off & on, minimizing that risk. Also the black undersuit, it's to help somewhat disperse some heat from the armour plate getting cooked into them when struck, giving the marine or another combat personnel extra time to unbuckle or cutting the straps to remove the danger away.
Spartans were created to crush the insurrection but were retooled to fight the covenant because they’re a much smaller force to rebuild and re-arm than larger Marine and Army forces
@@rushpatriot2866 Ceramics can stop a few bullets before they fail. You need polymers to disperse the heat the ceramic soaks. Molten metal (After A Plasma Hit) is counter-productive. Think Stormtrooper armor.
@@pineapplelapolynesia1994 Special Operations forces get the best gear because they are the best asset available and each SF shooter is A massive investment. If the Canon were logically laid out the Spartans would have tailored custom weaponry not whatever was lying around.
The Marine, the grunt of the UNSC, and cannon fodder to fight the other cannon fodder.
Also on the collar defense thing doesn't Sgt Forge from halo wars use something that could count?
Also we don't talk about the halo 4 while infinity armor because it generally aesthetically sucks.
The marines are better than grunts but worse than elites.
They feel like weaker than they actually are because you are often given only a few marines in actual game so they dont just carry the combat for you.
Yet the halo 4 armor is the most useful and realistic of all of them.
@@brabblemaster401 You're not wrong. Halo 2/3 armor is just too thin and the dimensions are off. Though halo infinite may turn out to be the best. Who knows.
honestly, the only halo 4 design I hate is that open-faced helmet everything else I have no issues with
Brabble Master the colors are just awful in halo 4.
As a Marine I got all giddy when the video started and you were talking about the UNSC Marines.
But honestly, this video is amazing. I love your content 00!
It's generally understood that each NIJ armor level can withstand the stresses of the previous levels. Level 4 can take 1 armor piercing round. That doesn't mean it *can't* take the 6 regular rounds that the level 3 can take. It just means that it can take the 1 AP on top of everything that the previous levels can take. Also, as you said with advancements in material science, the armor would likely be even better than a level 4.
I never knew I wanted a most detailed breakdown about marine armor but now I realize I do
I’m totally on the “it’s not metal” and that’s it’s a Graphene/UHDPE/ future tech, something easy to produce en masse and light enough to not hinder movement and endurance.
Really enjoy the real Marines in the comments section chiming in.
I’ve always thought the Halo series Marines were the theatrical descendants of the James Cameron Aliens USCMC types.
My head canon is the titanium is a sort of metal foam, like aerogel but metalic, high volume low density and reasonably well insulated while retaining ballistic capability by having crumple zone ccavities
"...as combat evolved." That line made me giddy. Great breakdown, man.
This man right here be giving lore breakdowns for everything, I just wish to know, Covenant Species Videos?
Also, glad someone gives the marines this kinda love
i believe that covenant cannon's job
@@SonicSanctuary perhaps, if not that then would it be interesting to see the most in depth breakdown of a type 47A or 47B Scarab
Yes. I love these “most detailed”
RIP those Marines... you know the ones
Love the content as always, I reckon a detailed breakdown of the flood infection process and outbreak progression but I imagine that would be a long one. Worth it though I love the biology and how exponential the outbreaks are. Great work as always 00
Even though it’s a science-fiction universe. The Spartans and the Marines in this game have always been a source of inspiration. I have always aspired to be brave, fearless, someone who stands for those who can’t stand for themselves. The thing that I always loved the most about the halo universe is there was no space magic, which I absolutely love space magic but in this instance it’s a lot easier to relate to a Marine in the UNSC then it is to relate To Luke Skywalker. What always made them stand out to me was just imagine for a second, being a soldier and fighting against An alien race or races with technology that is an entire tier above yours, in every way, fighting against aliens that are equipped with better ships with better guns that are physically twice or three times or 10 times as powerful as you are. Knowing that you will very likely die in a fight but fighting anyway to protect your people and your culture. It is a bravery and selflessness that is extremely rare outside of the military in our world. I wanted to but because I was a troublemaker in my youth I wasn’t allowed to join the military when I became eligible. One of my greatest regrets because I never got to experience the caliber of people that only exist in the service of others. So Innoway playing as master chief all these years as silly as it sounds gave people like me The slightest taste of the camaraderie you would find in the service. Some thing about a single human being standing up in defiance of the odds and persevering through every single crucible thrown his way not for a single selfish reason outside of needing to complete the mission. Saving humanity, saving a culture and the people that he will likely never experience. While he is known his trials and tribulations well eventually lead to him being an unsung hero. Unbeknownst to the billions upon billions of humans that will survive and have kids of their own who have kids. None of them will know that it was all because of one person. Yes he is physically augmented and trained since a child and in bad ass super soldier armor. But still I’m sure many of us have thought if I would’ve been taken as a child and trained like John and augmented like John if those things were possible, I could’ve been a master chief like figure. It makes him relatable like Batman over Superman. I will be blown away if anybody reads this but In The long winded version I just explain why halo is so important to me. Thanks if you read this. I hope others feel the same way.
I have the same mindset as well. I want to be brave and protect those that I love to be more built like master chief and his morals.
As a materials chemist I’d guess it’s likely titanium carbide.
But would it even be as strong as or stronger than current ceramic Level 4 plate? Lighter?
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 lighter definitely and depending on what binding epoxy being used it's at least as strong.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445
Magic space titanium. Yes.
Also, depends on the plate you're talking about. Ultralight ceramic inserts of class IV are quite light and make commercial plates look like bricks, while the heavy end of sniper resistant armor makes IV looks pathetic, coming in at the ability to defeat force and bullet of heavy machine gun armor piercing incendiary projectiles.
Armor in Halo has always been an absolute joy for me to look at, especially when you get to reach, one of my favorite parts of the universe, wish other space games would do something similiar
11:23 The higher the level the more it can take. Level 4 can take everything the level 3 can take plus the 30-06 AP. In essence the durability stacks. The level 4 is a better choice.
Great vid, just one correction, Level IV armor plates are tested against a single 30-06 round, which is the round fired by the M1 Garand. The 30-06 has significantly more energy than a 7.62x51mm NATO round.
Yea not only 30-06, but armor piercing 30-06. So much more powerful.
Let’s hope by this point in the future we are well beyond IV4 levels of capability
The technology may be there but I don’t think it’s cheap.
For the military they want something that works and is not too expensive to produce
Yeah we kind of complain about our body armor being to heavy for how actually ineffective it is at stopping rounds of rifle calibre past the first shot
@@castlebarron1788
It's fairly protective past the first hit. Actually, it's somewhere in the realm of five rounds of most light rifle ammunition, probably around eight with the newer generation of armor plates Revision G and beyond.
@@KoishiVibin those don’t get issued to the average foot slogger whose most likely to get hit
@KoishiVibin yeah on paper theres a solid chance most metal armor will survive, but would you trust it? I mean from a human perspective there would be some degree of apprehension in using damaged plates
I got a body armor advertisement for this video. That's ironic.
You mean fitting, irony would be if it was for armor-piercing bullets.
The different varieties in halo reach is one of my favorite details of that campaign I love the halo wars 1 and 2's cinematic armor it looks amazing halo CE's metal plates are nostalgic i prefer halo 3 over original halo 2 but halo 2 anniversary has some similarities to halo wars'
People say they like the halo ce armor and I have to say that I absolutely hate it. It doesn’t look particularly effective and doesn’t look very good. My favorite armor designs for UNSC marines/army are in halo reach/CEA.
@@punctuationman334 That armour was designed for ship-to-ship combat. It was designed to take a fuckton of hits compared to the stuff the marines usually have. You weren't meant to run around in that shit fighting people in it. You were meant to stay put in a location and just fire at them. It wasn't meant to look nice. It was meant to look like it could take a fucking beating. And considering when you shoot their dead bodies in CE and the bullets bounce back, it does a pretty good job at that. While stylistically you may dislike it, its design makes a lot of sense considering what it was meant for, and I like it much more than the Anniversary version.
honestly, these videos always get an almost immediate like from me. i just dont get why ppl would dislike these videos. Generally accurate information, plus the details and interesting backstory that we came for, some stuff to think about and maybe it's just me, but im also always getting positive vibes. not to mention giving every aspect of Halo some love, even the marines, the forgotten casualties of speedrunners. Love the videos man!
(Although it was staff sergeant Burn ;) )
10:47 i don think you understand how NIJ works yes lvl 3 can take 6 hits of 7.62x51 but so can lvl 4 which might be rated for 1 round of AP but that doesnt mean it cant stop 6 rounds of normal 7.62 ammo if lvl 3 was really that good then every country would be using it but most are using lvl 4 it makes zero sense that 500 years form now we would down grade it would make more sense if it was even higher than it is now like lvl4+
Would really like to see you do the most detailed breakdown on ODST armour, focusing on the differences between that and this armour.
UNSC ARMY Armor breakdown.
It's identical, isn't it?
@@midgetydeath it’s a bit different, in halo reach you only see army. Besides the space mission and the puller of autumn mission
I love this video, I absolutely love how you go so in depth with halo and talk about the real world too.
You got a like as soon as you mentioned how important boots are. When i was enlisted, boots were by far the best items to buy every 6 months, never doubted the money being spent since i knew how valuable a good set is.
I varied on replacement rate. If you could find the versions with Vibraam soles. They just last years, only had one pair I could locate. Otherwise the good old standard issue seems to last well. Not so kind on comport though.
Imagine how different a game Halo would be if the marines were inspired by British Royal Marines instead of the USMC.
Isn't the UNSC supposed to be basically the UN being the world government of the earth and other colonies?
In what way? Large black hats and slightly patronizing dialects?
@Plant plant more tea breaks i guess? jk idk
Tally ho marines!
@@osedebame3522 lmao
A day in the Marine Corps is like a day on the farm...every meal a banquet, every paycheck a fortune, every formation a parade. I LOVE the Corps!
Bruh as a Marine, that intro had me with a melted heart for a second there 😂. Love the respect you put into it. Great video and thanks for the info, OORAH!
Marines are the reason Halo is famous.
Change my mind
Sargent Johnson
Sly Marbo
@@LiterallyAWesternHognose oh no not the sly marbo may the emperor make our deaths swift
Marines, John 117, the Worthog, and the Pelican I'd say are Halo's most recognizable elements, with the MA5-series Assault Rifles, Scorpion, and various Covenant species coming in close behind
Gravity Hammer. If you asked me what makes Halo? Grav Ham. The only thing I adore more than the Shotgun? Alien Sledgehammer. Want to play golf? Boomer Club.
I could go on really. That fucking thing is the single best weapon in video game history to me. Nothing makes my soul smile more than a big stick that can slam alien midgets from Reach, to the nearest blunt surface in orbit.
I loved the Marine armor from CE, specifically for the metal on metal *clank* you get from a good punch to the BDU.
"Impeccable moral fiber"
Alright then
"You're not turning me into one of those things! Go find your own hiding place!"
Marines? oxymoronic statement.
This comments at 68 likes,
i know what i must do but I dont know if I have the strength to do it
moral fiber? must be something they ate.
@@douglasmiller8607 Ethics? For BREAKFAST?
NO SPARTAN, MORAL FIBER CEREAL! IT'S LIKE NOT COMMITTING WARCRIMES WITH EVERY BITE!
Okay given this is 2020, I actually kinda have to point out that I'm talking about the fictional war crimes of the UNSC, not the real war crimes of the USA
32:36 weight, cost and logistics. Have a look at the Future Warrior Program or how the IOTV/Osprey Body Armour was used in Iraq and Afghanistan. If you make someone bulky you increase operator load which decreases overall mission time and individual Manoeuvrability whilst increasing fatigue and the easy by which the enemy can hit you. It’s better to not be hit at all then hit and survive. Further, maintaining all that gear is difficult. That’s more complex and expensive gear that needs maintained which drives up costs and can decrease combat readiness. New private’s need to be taught how to properly maintain all that gear and keep it clean. This takes time and will lead to more things falling into a Disserviceable condition after whatever round of future budget cuts mean there is less money for spare parts (that’s why the USMC dispanded it’s tank divisions cause it’s fleet of Abrams had lots of broken parts and it was becoming too expensive to keep them operational).
Not to mention cost. Modern warfare is extremely expensive, the more money you sink into your individual soldiers the more costly losing a soldier is. Debt loses as meany wars as combat deaths.
The conclusion of a lot of programs which have tried similar things typically go’s one of three ways;
1) too bulky and impractical
2) too expensive
3) technology is not mature enough
Typically the change can’t be justified for one or all of those reasons. Realistically the biggest changes in the next few years will be to soldier awareness. The better soldiers can understand the battlefield, the more complicated Manoeuvers they can perform and they can make better decisions. Thereby Obfuscatinf the need for better armour. Without some kind of load bearing system this armour would be too big and impractical to justify the cost and the money is better spent on something like the IVAS.
5:11 Iron Man nice cant say the hammering sound on the first movie didnt rremind me of that
I just got an ad talking about level 3a and level 3a + armour
Same
Oh imagine, being on the front lines in a platoon of halo marines, with ODST pods dropping all around you and a halo assault rifle in hand😍
And then you get killed by a random grunt because for some God forsaken reason most models don't have plasma protection
Dang it! Waited like 20 seconds to notify me...
"casting is good for a complex part"
*Stares in AK trunnion*
Oh my God that got me bro XD so true! They are basically grenades lol
I’m really glad he mentioned spall. Real-world steel armor plates are notorious for this, and anti-spall coatings are of very dubious efficacy. I wonder why the UNSC did not consider ceramic, given that it’s more effective against ballistic threats, and I’m no physicist but I suspect it would be more protective against plasma. I’m sure given the massively advanced technology, they could make ceramic armor lighter.
I think that the alloy of the armor is resistant but at the same time light and that is why it was effective against ballistic attacks, correct me if I am wrong
Well, apparently someone has made ceramic titanium irl now, for all we know they could have a rather evolved version of it perhaps for armor?
Marines
They protec
They attac
But most importantly
They got masterchief's bac
13:44 tend to not rely on anything the remaster shows.
It heavily modifies how things are represented
Do a comprehensive history of the one true legend... We all know the name.... CHIPPS DUBBO!
Hidden Xperia already did that. XD
Kickin' ass in outta space.
don't forget Dustin Echoes
Spaulding only applies to the inside side of a plate where the projectile exits. Fragmention applies to the surface of the plate. These are not interchangeable.
ONI seems to have edited the opening sequence for morale purposes.
this is an amazingly detailed breakdown. Thanks for the hard work you put into this.
We need a Halo Marines game with more striped back, Call of Duty like mechanics, in that you are extremely weak (weaker than ODST) and you’re on the front lines in the outer colonies mid war, desperately trying to keep the unrelenting covenant back as the destroy city after city, planet after planet
With dark, thriller tone, it would be borderline horror and only enhance the feeling of desperation shared by humanity at the time
We need Halo: Marines
Nameunderscor would be interesting; definitely would need to make Enemies weaker as in taking realistic amounts of damage opposed to ~60-100 rounds of 7.62 like in regular halo games. Something to explore would be making it through the ranks to get ODST armor
I'd rather play a slow paced tactical halo game similar to ArmA 3 or Squad than a fast paced, high octane one similar to COD, if we're going to play as marines we might as well go boots on the ground.
@@bogdanpascari44 I'd rather split the difference.
I feel the best part of this whole thing:
the fact this armor can be real, because its all possible and doesn't use exotic high tech stuff
32:45 ok, deadass, I will dedicate the a shitton of my financial resources to creating power armor. That's not saying much at the moment, but this is something I need to see come true goddammit
Casting is actually the cheapest method of forming metal, and is done for large runs to make up for the cost of the molds. Machining is typically an additional step to casting or forging to reach final dimensions (or is occasionally done with a billet block for a one off piece)
5:07 He built this in a cave with a PILE OF SCRAPS!!!
A note about casting. There are variants of the casting process, and they change the costs and speed of getting parts. My work for example gets parts from sand molds mostly. The parts from the sand molds need to be machined or forged to final size. This saves waist and can be quicker but is normally a lower quality part compared to machining the part from a solid block. That is because the sand does not dissipate heat perfectly. Normally do to impurity ,density variables, thickness of the cast in spots, differences very by batch as well. The variables can be removed completely depending on the cast method but they get expensive and I do not have experience with them.
For making the armor they could be starting with cheap sand molds to get the initial shape and then finnish the armor with forging. This way they do not need to be able to cut a large slab of metal to size for each plate and they still have enough material to get the desired grain structure.
I find it funny how most pieces are really complicated, but then boots are essentially, "these bad boys are pretty damn comfy."
Reach Marine/Army armor looked the most realistic to me. They actually had pouches and backpacks, too.
Addition fact: Marines also are the best Master Chief buddy.... especially when they ride warthog with him...sure lot of joke coming out their mouth even curses the covenant during the firefight...lol
From someone who has worn armor regularly in the military, the issue with modern tech is weight, cost, and heat retention. Wearing just a plate carrier usually adds about 25 degrees F. Weight of the plate carrier, both front/back plates, about 30 pounds NOT including gear/ammo/weapon/etc. If talking full combat load and dismounted operations, 90-100 lbs is common. Titanium alloys would lighten the load and potentially allow for more armor to be worn realistically, but the cost is up there.
Titanium is roughly a third the weight of steel, I highly doubt a set of titanium armor like what the Marines wear in the games would be lighter than if it was made from ceramic plates like what we use now, and if it was lighter due to it being made from a titanium alloy, it wouldn’t offer the same protection.
@@kerbalaerospacelabs3445 Level III and Level IV Titanium plates stand up well to rifle fire. There are some inbuilt titanium ceramic insert vests that can stop .50 BMG but can't handle .50 BMG APIT all that well. So, yes it can offer just as much on a 3rd of the weight...
The whole intro:
“no-nonsense mentality”
“serious attitude”
“elite warriors”
“highly trained”
Marines actually:
*gets a plasma grenade stuck on their rifle*
*runs around screaming and waving the rifle until the end comes*
Yes it’s finally here, thanks Installation00
0:37 I guess you could say they were *COLONIAL MARINES* against the *ALIEN* threat?
The more of these I watch the more hyped I am for infinite
Halo wars 1 marines are the best marines you can’t change my mind!
The absolute badasses in the cutscenes or the silly putty on the tactical screen?
Note: AR 500 and AR 550 armor plates are also Forged. Even the Level IV ceramic plate armors that have a small AR500 insert are forged. The steel holds tighter that way.
I would've liked to see more international diversity in Halo's Marines.
Edit: I think international diversity is paramount when making a universe of Humans vs. Aliens. Usually diversity is just an excuse to pander to an audience without fleshing characters out, but in universes like Halo I think it's a necessity to depict all of mankind teaming up to slay the filthy Xenos.
How dope would it be to hear an angry Ukrainian marine going URRRAAAAA while magdumping into a Brute's face. I only remember the American, Hispanic and Aussie Marines. I even had a dream last night about Polish Winged Spartan IVs with energy lances and forerunner construct wings.
The out of universe explanation is that Bungie is an American company and only had so much voice talent to rely upon, but your point definitely stands in-universe. Given how countries in the East like China and India have such high populations, you'd expect there to be more Indian/Asian marines in a Marine Corps comprised of all the nations in the world (and the colonies). Not to mention marines from other European nations, like you mentioned.
I had a dream last night that i got CoV!D19 and a tube was going into my neck
Id ve interesting to see Marines with a mix of accents like a American accent combined with a English one.
@@cancelanime1507 I loved seeing Hungarians in that game. RIP Jorge. It also explains dudes riding into pitched battle on Mongooses/ATVs; their Magyar raider ancestors would be cheering them on
@@TheChiefOrg13 Imagine seeing Nepalese/Gurkha Marines go apeshit with a kukri and hack covenant to pieces
6:17-8:20 this process description and the differences therein also applies to firearms. Which is why cast part weapons are looked down upon heavily by serious firearm users while forged is held as the gold standard, for the most part anyway.
4:20
I bet the grunt that blew the hog up was ecstatic till you blew his head off
This world is progressively more insane, your videos take me back to a simpler time…
What about the UNSC Army?
Boots and socks are the best kind of equipment, would wear again.
"Why aren't we funding this?"
Then someone else asks why the DoD has such a huge budget..
because they still gotta figure out the whole healthcare mess, if they want to at least
How else are they gonna pay their military-industrial complex buddies or set up false flags to invade countries for reasons that don't exist or for oil so the tycoons can get richer?
Looking at the "form" of the armor and why the placement of the armor mimics the same body parts of new age hockey gear. If you go to the hockey gear websites, the new stuff is multi layered, impact zones and energy transfer zones. Shin guards protect the fronts heavy but have thinner wraps to guard on the rear but the front has the main protection for the players and the knee caps. The "pants" have been replaced with more of a girdle type that guards outer thigh, frontal thigh, and impact zones for spine areas. The equipment even has the new d30 padding where it's soft but when hit, it hardens and transfers energy outward. Even the Chest guard mimics the same pattern of the Marine armor and the Buckets (helmets) from the 80's (Jofa) do too.
Has anyone noticed how strong sgt johnson is? I never gave much though to the starting cutscenes of halo 3, but you can clearly see how chief helps himself up by holding on johnson's arm. Considering how heavy the whole suit is johnson is very strong, he doesn't even strain or anything, op spartans 1st gen
That because he is an spartin 1. There not strong as Spartans 2-4 but they have denser muscles compared to normal humans.
Edit: fixed lore and grammar
@@beamrunner0471 oh geez, now S5, who are those?
@@beamrunner0471 this also reminds you of how disgustingly strong the brutes are. Even as spartans 1 and 2 gen. Both johnson and Douglas were powerless against the raw strength of the brutes
@@feedmatrix10 sorry there are no Spartin 5 (yet but idk) just a typo, but yeah brute damn well earned there names.
Casting is far cheaper than machining or forging for large volume products. Machining doesn't have much waste as the chips can be resmelted into new billets Forging also requires final machining after it is forged same with casting.
" Marines focused well trained". flashbacks of marines killing me/themselves/ and their fellow marines with their horrible grenade throws........
So I wanted to comment on the topic of spalling with the armor.
Based on what was described by its makeup, I believe it works similarly to current manufactured reactive personnel armor systems.
The titanium shell works as a primary stopping point, but is thin enough to allow the projectile to still pass through, but at an extremely slowed rate, which would deform projectiles, but not shatter them, and the polymer compound core, like the current manufactured armor, is made to harden when force and speed are applied to it, such as when a bullet hits something, which would result in the polymer “catching” the projectile.
Am I the only one wondering why the armies in the unsc have some what abandoned the LMG
This though keeps me awake at night.
Also, UNSC infantry isn't the only department that's lacking. The fact that in the main games (ce-reach), the only ground vehicles used by UNSC are technicals (warthogs), quad bikes (mongoose) and tanks while things like APC's and MRAP's are missing. Just the thought that the combined military force of all human colonies rely so heavily on technicals (and fricking quad bikes) as if they're fighting in the Somali civil war bugs me.
If I remember the MA5 series of assault rifles have a modular design, one of such designs include a box magazine, bipod, and longer barrel to convert the rifle into a defacto LMG
@@bogdanpascari44 the games don't do a great job of showing all the vehicles because of gameplay restraints but generally the books have a lot more
There's some concept art with LMG looking weapons, but they never appear in game outside of the SAW
This is kind of late and I'm not sure if it's been mentioned before but modern steal armor is covered with polyurea as a coating that can absorb spalling caused when a round strikes the plate. I would imagine a similar process would be used here.
Damn the UNSC Army don't get any love?
In halo reach
I've always wanted a Halo game focused on the UNSC Marines, as impressive as the elite human units are, the "grunts" are the reason humanity endures and given the variants such as a vacuum suit, there could be just as wide a variety of missions as other Halo games. Not sure how to work around the regeneration problem other than making essentially a much harder version of classic halo but a buddy system which focuses on revives kinda like Republic Commando back in the day could suspend my disbelief enough to really be immersive.
Like I appreciate what 343 was going for with their marine armor but it just looks so generic compared to the OG marine armor. Which has its own unique silhouette you just knew a halo marine by just glancing at them but now they look so busy visually now. But infinite looks promising!
UNSC Personnel Rarity List to see on the field
Marine - Common
Marine Corporal - Common
Marine Sergeant - Uncommon
Army Personnel (Seen in Reach and CE Anniversary) - Same as Marines
ODST's - Rare, Usually spotted in high priority area's as they're Special Operations
Spartans after Gen 2 program - Extremely Rare, Almost never being seen by civilians they're usually off killing armies of covenant troops or completing Suicide Missions
Spartan during Gen 2 and 1 program - Almost never seen by civilians and any soldier, Some Marine battalions and squads have seen Spartan 1's and 2's before but usually only once or twice, not a lot of people know about these Spartans.
Chief - Practically everyone in UNSC has heard of him as he saved Humanity a bunch of times.
Headhunters - By all means the rarest soldier to be encountered (Usually only encountered by somebody who pissed the UNSC off) They're never seen by civilians and regular soldiers alike.
Kind of unnecessary but why not
The scrap metal from machining can be recycled
Yup but additional cost and energy usage in re-smelting the shavings and cutouts.
Skeptical Guardsman not to mention you’d still have to machine castings and forgings, so metal chips are still a thing to deal with no matter what you go with.
@@skepticalmagos_101 you can have a different company deal with that
I literally wished this video existed this morning as research for my Halo setting RPG campaign. Thanks 00!
D&D?
This was a really cool breakdown. Thanks for going so indepth on it dude. Really cool hearing more about the different armour variations.
The ad for this video is the best body armor we have on earth for me